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Speaker 1: I'll get a groovers. Welcome to another installment the project.

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Speaker 1: That's you, Patrick, and I know Tiffany and Cook. We

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Speaker 1: are sands Tiff, we are tiffless, we are tiff free,

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Speaker 1: we are without Tiff. It's just you and me, mate.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we're going to be able to

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Speaker 1: do it, but we'll do our very best.

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Speaker 2: Well. I think if we hold their hands together.

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Speaker 3: And wear a little bit will be fine.

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Speaker 1: I'll just reach out across the virtual threshold and grab

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Speaker 1: you right now.

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Speaker 3: Could you know one of the things I wanted to

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Speaker 3: chat to you about wiz VR and using like haptic

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Speaker 3: connections so that you can actually touch, because we could

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Speaker 3: be wearing haptic suits and touching each other right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what of all the things I

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Speaker 1: want to do, that's very fucking low on my list.

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Speaker 1: But and so, haptic feedback means, if, for example, you're

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Speaker 1: wearing let's say a glove and I'm wearing a glove

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Speaker 1: with sensors, then I can wheeze your hand and you'll

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Speaker 1: feel it. Kind of am I right yet?

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Speaker 2: Hand? That's a good idea?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right? Have they made one a haptic Oh

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Speaker 1: that's I see where you're going maybe.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, wait wait wait right up?

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Speaker 1: No, no, but I mean no, I'm not even being silly.

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Speaker 2: No, we could do a hug. You could do a

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Speaker 2: haptic hug. That would be cool.

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Speaker 1: But I'd have to be wearing a like a vest.

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Speaker 2: Or a jacket, right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I wonder I wonder when that. I wonder when that's

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Speaker 1: going to become an inverted commas normal mainstream where where

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Speaker 1: you know, the there's actually a well it's not a

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Speaker 1: real but it's a sense of a touch or a

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Speaker 1: sense of you know, a squeeze or a hug, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But it's amazing what your brain is able to do

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Speaker 3: when it comes to not fooling you per se, but

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Speaker 3: giving you the impression of. So, as you know, I

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Speaker 3: game on a regular basis on a Sunday morning with

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Speaker 3: some mates. There's normally four or five of us, and

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Speaker 3: we play virtual mini golf, amongst other games. And what

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Speaker 3: it does is it positions you on the golf course

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Speaker 3: playing mini golf, and you're wearing an avatar. So one

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Speaker 3: of the guys has a top hat and a curly mustache,

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Speaker 3: you know, so it doesn't even look like the person

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Speaker 3: you're speaking to, but because it's their voice coming out

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Speaker 3: of it, and because it also has an ability to

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Speaker 3: be able to locate the person so that the sound

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Speaker 3: is relative to where that person is. So if you

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Speaker 3: have one person standing to your right, one standing to

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Speaker 3: your left, and someone start talking, starts talking to your left,

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Speaker 3: that's where the sound is coming from.

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Speaker 2: So it's not a big stretch really.

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Speaker 3: When you think about the haptic connection with people and

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Speaker 3: the ability to be able to hold a hand, shake,

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Speaker 3: a hand share a hug or something like that, your

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Speaker 3: brain has an amazing ability to be able to turn

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Speaker 3: what may not feel real into reality. I mean, let's

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Speaker 3: face it, our optic nerve does it all the time,

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Speaker 3: be seeing the world upside down. The basic optics of

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Speaker 3: what we see when we're walking around mean that everything

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Speaker 3: should physically appear to be upside down, but our brain

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Speaker 3: flips it around the right way around. We all kind

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Speaker 3: of learned that when we're doing basic biology at school,

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Speaker 3: didn't we Did you learn that?

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Speaker 2: I didn't?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but I just did because I've got you.

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Speaker 1: I read the web. I read the web of life

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Speaker 1: in you eight and all the sixty year olds will

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Speaker 1: be like I read that too. But you know what

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Speaker 1: is You're exactly right in that the brain is always creating.

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Speaker 1: I mean your brain and your mind. That's your data

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Speaker 1: processing center, you know. So there's all these external stimuli,

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Speaker 1: all these things happening, situation, circumstance, environment, upside down world,

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Speaker 1: other people talking, and then without even realizing, we give

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Speaker 1: all of that meaning in real time, and then we

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Speaker 1: think our meaning is the meaning, like our version of

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Speaker 1: reality subjective is the objective version of reality. But pursuant

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Speaker 1: to what you were saying, your honor about how you

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Speaker 1: know the hug might eventually like when I hug you

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Speaker 1: in the haptic suit, just explain to people who are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out haptic what a haptic suit might be.

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Speaker 1: So it's just where it's got sensors, is that right?

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Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the things I wanted to

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Speaker 3: electric motors, so or.

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Speaker 2: Potentially I think we spoke about this on the show.

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Speaker 3: It might even have been two years ago where they

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Speaker 3: were using electrical impulses, so like a really really tiny

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Speaker 3: So you know what you've put your tongue on a

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Speaker 3: nine volt battery. Come on, everyone has, of course, Oh

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Speaker 3: fucking definitely.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, whether they're working or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a six year old moron who became

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Speaker 1: a sixty year old moron. Of course I did that.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, if you had a

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Speaker 3: very minimal, minimal sensor that passed an electrical limpop, your

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Speaker 3: body reacts to that. But what they're currently working on

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Speaker 3: the area that's going to cause pressure. So if someone

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Speaker 3: feel like someone's gripping you. So that's another way around.

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Speaker 3: So it's lots of different that's being worked on at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Or you could just be in the three dimensional

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Speaker 1: space and hug someone. But what I was going to

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Speaker 1: say is, have you ever seen that? It's quite a

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Speaker 1: It's been around quite a bit, but there's an experiment

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Speaker 1: where let's say I need I can't remember the precise details,

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Speaker 1: you're sitting in front of me, and let's say you're

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Speaker 1: have you where I've heard about it? Okay, So and

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Speaker 1: it's fucking amazing. So there's this guy every So let's

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Speaker 1: the the it feels like well one, you are being touched.

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Speaker 1: But then eventually he and he'll touch it heavier and heavier,

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Speaker 1: not you know, touching you. And then he will tap

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Speaker 1: But the person gets real pain, like which is fucking terrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Like our brain can create pain where there

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Speaker 1: of pain where it's like there should be pain, No,

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Speaker 1: that should fucking hurt. Now, imagine if we could figure

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Speaker 1: out this is not the show for that. But wouldn't

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Speaker 1: it be great if we could figure out that. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a friend of mine, doctor Calfried, who's been on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: You've often heard of people who are amputees who have

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Speaker 3: Why I think they call that phantom pain handsome pain.

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Speaker 3: That's the one I'm saying ghost didn't I Well, ghosts fantoms.

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Speaker 1: It's not fun phantom pain. Yeah, I know, I knew

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Speaker 3: You I was going, Hey, you know we didn't even

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you get any cool toys or gadgets?

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I got You know, when you

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Speaker 1: do you know what I did? Which was weird?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: My parents are eighty five? What am I going to do?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and buy mary address. I'm going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a hamper for my friends who lived

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Speaker 3: down the road from you, So.

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Speaker 2: That was right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And hampers are great when you count because you know,

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Speaker 3: as you say, when you've got adults who pretty well

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Speaker 3: buy things for themselves exactly, a hamp is really really fun.

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Speaker 3: We also do a bit of a joke gift this look.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I should say this on air

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Speaker 3: because someone in my family is probably listening, but if you.

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Speaker 1: Should, definitely say it. Yeah, I like for the greater

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Speaker 1: good Patrick. Of course, it's like shout out to your

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Speaker 1: family member, but it's like the other thousands are sitting

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Speaker 2: There or not.

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Speaker 3: So I catch up with my family, but then on

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Speaker 3: positive and negative, but if you focus on the positive

435
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: side of it, that can actually be realdy or inspiring

436
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: and help us move forward. I think on the journey

437
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: that we have when we have someone who we lose,

438
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Speaker 3: we can still think about them positively.

439
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Speaker 2: Don't you think.

440
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Speaker 1: It is such an interesting you know what I've just

441
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: made an executive decision. We're going to do the tech

442
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: episode soon. Today we're just going to talk about this.

443
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: I think if you're all right with that, if you're well,

444
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: I just I just think what we're talking about is important.

445
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Speaker 2: Tell you about.

446
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: Mikes because when you were telling me the story before

447
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: we went on edge yours and I don't know how

448
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: much you want to say about that, but if I

449
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 3: can just share this, you're going to freak out as

450
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: to how close it was to what happened to you.

451
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: So just between the COVID breaks, when we had the

452
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: little lifting of restrictions, my best friend who I grew

453
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 3: up with, best friend from grade one, I've just been

454
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: in my family. I was in his place every weekend,

455
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: and you know, I had a kind of Mediterranean background,

456
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: so very kind of you know, the Wog family. You know,

457
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 3: you had to when you went out somewhere, if someone

458
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: offered you a drink, you wouldn't actually say yes until

459
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: you got the nod from mum or dad. You had

460
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: to be on your absolute best behavior. So when I

461
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: go to it and your family, multi is a of course, yeah, yeah,

462
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: that's right.

463
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: So when I went to the mate's place.

464
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Speaker 3: His mum would say, look, I'll offer you a drink,

465
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: but then you just go to the fridge and help yourself.

466
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: And it's just really super relaxed.

467
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: You know, if they bought a new TV and they

468
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: had a big cardboard box, we'd turn it into a

469
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: cardboard box city and take our sleeping bags out and

470
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Speaker 3: that would right in the middle of their lounge room.

471
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Speaker 2: So Jeff's mum was amazing, Patty. She was just awesome.

472
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Speaker 1: And you were twenty two at the time, though.

473
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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah.

474
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Speaker 2: Great, Yeah.

475
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Speaker 3: Grade one was the best four years of my life.

476
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Speaker 3: But when she battled through cancer, you know, she really

477
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: did it hard. And then when you know, a few

478
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: days before she passed away, I sat with her in

479
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: Geelong in her room and held her hand and we talked,

480
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: and she looked at me and she said, thanks for

481
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: being such a good friend to Jeff over this whole

482
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Speaker 3: time we're talking forty five years.

483
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Speaker 2: Thanks for such a good friend.

484
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: And we sat there just holding hands and talking, and

485
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: that you know, twenty minutes or so was so special

486
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 3: because we just had a restriction lifted so I could

487
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: spend time, I could go to the hospital and got

488
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: to spend that really really amazing quality time and personal connection,

489
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, being able to share emotions and journeys and time,

490
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: and some journeys you can't put a finger on because

491
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: time deepens the relationship, you know. I had my best

492
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: mate come down recently and we've been friends for twenty years,

493
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: and that was the nicest thing about Christmas, sharing it

494
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: with friends, you know, that sort of stuff.

495
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Speaker 2: So I think that the more we can do that.

496
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Speaker 3: And I know you had a really challenging journey because

497
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: you went through something almost identical, didn't you.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean I'll share about it in a minute.

499
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Speaker 1: But what I personally, what I love about podcasting is this.

500
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I love that we can go We're just going to

501
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: talk about this now. It's like, well, we had a plan,

502
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: but this is better for now. And I think sometimes

503
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: like I sometimes go to see someone or have a

504
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: conversation with someone, or do a thing and then in

505
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: the moment, I'm like, I don't know why, but this

506
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: is not the thing I should do. This is the

507
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: thing I should do. And so maybe who knows, maybe

508
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: this conversation for people will be meaningful or relevant, or

509
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: maybe one or two people be helpful and perhaps comforting. Right,

510
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you so, and I've spoken a little

511
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: bit about you know, my family grew up in parallel to,

512
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, very very close to geographically and emotionally and

513
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: socially to another family where they're called the Powzer family

514
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: pow t More well, and we grew up together. And

515
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: they've got four daughters, and Rod and Mary have got

516
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Speaker 1: one son. And I was like the fifth kid. I

517
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: was like the boy and the family and they were

518
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: like the girls in my family, and it was all

519
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: very interwoven. And their mum's name was Ray and Rae

520
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: and she passed away a few days ago and she

521
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: was very very unwell. And on Christmas Day the families,

522
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: our families have every Christmas Day together for the last

523
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Speaker 1: million years. And obviously she couldn't be there. She was

524
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Speaker 1: in hospital, coming towards the end of her life. And

525
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: so I left the Christmas lunch. I had lunch with everybody,

526
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: and then I went out by myself to the hospital

527
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Speaker 1: to see Ray and yeah, I just sat with her

528
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: and her husband, Gil was there, so it was just

529
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: me and him. But I got there and he was

530
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Speaker 1: sitting in a chair next her, and then he kind

531
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: of moved away and I sat next her and the same,

532
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: you know. And it's funny. I sat with her for

533
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: an hour, give or take. And I don't want to

534
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: say what she said, but she's she said a lot

535
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: of amazing things. She's still cognitively fine. She was in

536
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: lots of lots of pain and lots of drugs and

537
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: lots of things happening, but she could communicate and so

538
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: could I. And it was you know, like you truly

539
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: And I know this sounds a cliche, but I was

540
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: literally sitting there thinking how precious that moment was, but

541
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: it was in context of my time knowing her, it

542
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: was just another moment. But when you know, this is

543
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: probably the last moment, right, And I thought, imagine and

544
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: obviously we can't travel through life with that awareness or

545
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: that level of gratitude all of the time or that perspective.

546
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: But I came out of there and I can't tell

547
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: you what she said because I'll cry, But but I

548
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: came out of there, and I sat in my car

549
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: and had a meltdown, and I just remember thinking, like,

550
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: like this really all that matters, Like I know, on

551
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: a practical level, day to day life, pay bills, you know,

552
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: go for a jog, be a dickhead, you know, fuck around,

553
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: record a podcast, all that trying, and all of those

554
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: things matter, but ultimately, like you know, what matters is

555
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: love and connection and belonging, and you know, having that,

556
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: you know other things matter too. But in that moment,

557
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, like I've had that a few times

558
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: in my life where I have, you know, this profound awareness,

559
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: this profound realization that I theoretically know it. But then

560
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: when you're in those moments, you're like, now I'm in that.

561
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: Now I'm yeah, and yeah, I think I think just realizing,

562
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, and then it gave me I'll shut up

563
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: after this. But then, you know, then I think, how

564
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: many Chris Misses are left with mum and dad, you know,

565
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: without being more But just that's a good that's a

566
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: good awareness. How many more trips to morewell will I have?

567
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: How many more Mary hugs and uncomfortable clunky ron hugs

568
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: will I have? Do you know what I mean? And

569
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: then you're like, in the context of the shit that

570
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I waste energy on, the bullshit that I waste energy

571
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: on emotional energy or physical energy or mental energy, how

572
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: does that in terms of importance that stuff I waste

573
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: energy on compared to the importance and the value and

574
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the significance of my mum and dad. Well it's not

575
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: even a one on one hundred scale, you know. So yeah,

576
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: I know that's very deep and philosophical, but you know,

577
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: just just that that kind of Yeah, it was. It

578
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: was a bittersweet, you know, it was really and much

579
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: much of course, infinitely harder for the girls and Gil

580
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: the husband. But yeah, such a beautiful time. And I'll

581
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: like you mate with with you know, your friend's mum, like,

582
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I will never forget that never.

583
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: Two things occurred to me when you were talking about that,

584
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: and the first was, I know we spoke about this.

585
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: I think in a previous episode, I did a mindfulness workshop,

586
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: and mindfulness is just enjoying the moment, focusing on the moment, and.

587
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: That can be quite profound.

588
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: And if you try to practice mindfulness every day, and

589
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: it might be through breathing, it could be through meditating, yoga,

590
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: tai chi, but there's lots of different ways to be mindful,

591
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: and it's about not allowing the distractions to kind of

592
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: take us away.

593
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: From that moment.

594
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: And I think when you're emotionally focused in your case

595
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: on somebody you cared about so deeply.

596
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: That was mindfulness for you.

597
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: Because every second you work in a lie, anything distract

598
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: you from that hour you spent holding the hand, the

599
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: tactile control, you know, the feeling of the person, listening

600
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: to what they were saying. Every word would be kind

601
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: of seed into your memory because you knew this was

602
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: something that was so super special that you wanted to

603
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 3: record it to that brain hard drive and not let

604
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: it disappear. And so that's where mindfulness kicks in. So

605
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: sometimes we don't realize we're practicing mindfulness until it kind

606
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: of presents itself like this.

607
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: But we can, we can bring it on.

608
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Speaker 3: We can bring on the state of mindfulness at any

609
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Speaker 3: different time. And you know, one of the little exercises

610
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: I do with my tai Chi group is simply holding

611
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Speaker 3: your breath, so you know, breathing in for four seconds,

612
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: holding for four seconds and then letting it go for

613
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: four seconds, and then you increase that to six seconds,

614
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: to eight seconds, to ten seconds, and just thinking about breathing,

615
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: breathing in.

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Speaker 2: You know, see if you take a long, slow, deep breath.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a little study that was done

618
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Speaker 3: a few years ago into how much and how rapidly

619
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Speaker 3: we breathe. We tend to operate on high adrenaline a

620
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: lot of the time in our society. We're looking at

621
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Speaker 3: you know, smartphones, we're driving in traffic, we're getting frustrated,

622
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: and so we tend to shallow breathe. And what it

623
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: was found was that it's believed that we take twice

624
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: as many breaths as our grandparents did. We don't deep breathe,

625
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: We just shallow breathe constantly. So that's one of the

626
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: big things that I like to do is take nice, long, slow,

627
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: deep breaths. And when I was referring to the mindfulness thing,

628
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Speaker 3: the other thing that popped in my mind is when

629
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Speaker 3: are you not mindful?

630
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: When are you angry?

631
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Speaker 3: And there's nothing I think that can get us more

632
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: angry instantly than being cut off in traffic, someone tailgating you.

633
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: You know, think about.

634
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: Being on the road and the things that other drivers

635
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: do that can rile you. Now I'm not suggesting it

636
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: sparks a road rage incident, but you can see why

637
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: it sparks a road rage incident. So we can go

638
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: from mindful to hate full and angry in such a

639
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: flip of a switch, can't we and maybe taking a

640
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: deep breath and think. And the thing is what I

641
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: kind of try to think about as well, is that

642
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: person who cut us off? There's reasons for that. We've

643
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: spoken about that in other shows. Why was that person angry?

644
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: You know, maybe they're going through a lot of shit

645
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: in their lives right now. Maybe they're just not concentrating

646
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: and something's happened to loved ones passed away, or they've

647
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: had a terrible you know, diagnosis or something along those lines,

648
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: or they've just got sacked from their job.

649
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: So people don't I don't think anybody intentionally cuts someone off,

651
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: But we take such an aversion to that, we take

652
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: such a personal aversion to someone doing the wrong thing

653
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: by us, that we easily jump to the conclusions.

654
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: In our own mind.

655
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 3: We create this fictitious situation where that person has done

656
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: that to me. You know, they've cut you off, They've

657
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: done the worst possible thing, you know. You know they

658
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: haven't killed your dog, you know they you know that

659
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: they haven't robbed you of all your possessions. But yet

660
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: the emotions that you feel in that moment, you know,

661
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: maybe try to be how hard is it to be

662
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: mindful and take a breath and say, you know what,

663
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: I'm just going to slow down.

664
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: I'm not going to think.

665
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: About it, because it's better for you to not have

666
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: your heart rate suddenly jumped two hundred bats per second

667
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: per minute, I should say, you know, and your blood

668
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: pressure go through the roof, because you're not doing yourself

669
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: any favors by getting angry anyway.

670
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: And you're not creating good outcomes, like generally the other

671
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Pursuant to this, Patrick, You're exactly right for the most part.

672
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't always, but these days, for the most part,

673
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm really calm. Like I rarely get you know, I

674
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: get I got a bit sad over Christmas, of course,

675
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: but I don't really get too sad too often or

676
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: too anxious too often. And I don't get angry very often.

677
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: But I can get angry when I see people being

678
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: or when people are really rude, I mean overtly rude

679
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and overtly inappropriate, and like I find it. I know,

680
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: there's a shock. So the other day I was at

681
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: the gym and I was working out, and this young

682
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: guy walked there's this new thing happening in gym's and

683
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: it's called tailgating. They call it tailgating, right, Yeah, So

684
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: all it means is Patrick's got a gym membership and

685
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: he's taken three of his mates to the gym. And

686
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: Patrick clicks the door, which has got you know, you've

687
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: got your card, you're twenty four hour pass. You walk

688
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: in and three year mates walking behind you.

689
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: You've done that with me before. It your gym, haven't you.

690
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Don't be an idiot. Don't be

691
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: an idiot. And so this young kid walked in and

692
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: there were three kids that followed him in. They're all teenagers.

693
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Now that's you know, that's neither here nor there. But

694
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: they were just being little pricks. So there were three

695
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: of them in there. They were hanging off shit, they

696
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: were fucking around, They're being morons. They were allowed, they

697
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: were being inconsiderate, and I'm like, oh god, like I can't.

698
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, like what do I do? Do I walk?

699
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: It's not my gym. At the same time, this is like,

700
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: this is like they're being a little pricks. Let's I'm

701
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: going to be honest, like their behavior was unacceptable. They

702
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: are rude, they're inconsiderate, like they were disruptive. So I

703
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: walk up and I go, I don't know who I am,

704
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: not that I'm anyone. I go, go, boys, can I

705
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: see you membership cards? And they all look at me.

706
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: They all look at me. Yeah, and they don't know

707
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: if I'm someone or no one, right, But I had

708
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the don't fuck with me look, and they're all like

709
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: and there was two of them were like h and

710
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: one of them was just I can't even say what

711
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: I want to say. But anyway, here's my point. It

712
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: kind of ended, Okay, I kind of sorted something with them,

713
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: but I got so angry so quickly, not as in

714
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: X like I would do anything to them or lose

715
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: my shit and scream, but relevant to what you said,

716
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I could feel my blood pressure pressure Patrick, it's like

717
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: a fucking million over half a million, and I don't yeah,

718
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I yeah, that's a thing where I go, I don't

719
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: want to be that. But then at the same time,

720
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was I think it was Sir Edmund

721
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Burke who wrote and obviously this is aged not well

722
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: because it was a gender specific, but he said, and

723
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: I like the philosophy behind this. He said, all that's

724
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to

725
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: do nothing. And I'm like, well, when people are doing

726
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: bad shit in front of me, when people are being

727
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: inappropriate or rude or thoughtless or careless, like, do I

728
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: just go Do I just go to another part of

729
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: the gym, Like nobody's doing anything, and I'm well aware

730
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: before anyone sends me a message it's not your responsible.

731
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm well aware. But is it? Though? Like if I

732
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: walk outside and someone's hurting someone, do I just go? Ah,

733
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm not getting involved, Like there are so many scenarios

734
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: where and it's not about being a hero or being

735
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: anyone's savior. It's just like, ah, I don't. And there's

736
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: been lots of times where I have this moral compass

737
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: and maybe it's wrong, I don't know, but I go, well,

738
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm quite strong and quite big so that I can

739
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: help this person, and so I would not jump in

740
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and punch anyone, but just intervene to do what I

741
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: thought was protecting someone.

742
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: But I've been sitting videos.

743
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, My algorithm on YouTube is so boring because

744
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: of course the more you watch of certain things, the

745
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: more that just propagates the same sorts of videos.

746
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: So it's lots of tech stuff.

747
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: I love watching short sci fi, some LGBT stuff which

748
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: is really cute, you know, that sort of thing, And

749
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: so I tend to only have a curated list of

750
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: things that are suggested to me by Google via YouTube.

751
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: But someone sent me a link to I can't remember

752
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: what it was, you know, the small guy getting in

753
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 3: on the big guy. You know something that so small

754
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: guy gets picked on, ends up that he's a judo expert, and.

755
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: It gets gets stumped or something.

756
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 3: But then it opened up a whole lot of other

757
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 3: videos and you know what occurred to me, not what

758
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: the violent acts were, but people were filming them and

759
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: letting them happen in front of them. You know, that's

760
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, how many videos are there of people showing

761
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: these things being perpetrated, someone being bullied, you know, kids

762
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: showing other kids being bullied, or someone being beaten up,

763
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 3: or someone being abusive, and what are all the spectators doing.

764
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: They're being spectators And that's the difficult to step in.

765
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 3: You know, when you were talking about the boys in

766
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: the gym, and I can see that, you know, the

767
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: boys follow their mate in their tailgating so they can

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: get access to the gym, and they were piss farting

769
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: around and being teenage boys. And the thing is, I

770
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: guess why were they doing that. Maybe they couldn't afford

771
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: the membership. Maybe they thought it was fun just to

772
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: get in there for a lark, they wanted to hang

773
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: out with their mate. And you know, thinking beyond that

774
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: is really hard for us to do, because you know,

775
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: they were impacting your personal space.

776
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 2: You pay for your.

777
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: Membership and they're sneaking in. You know, the three of

778
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: the guys didn't have a membership, or four of them

779
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: didn't have an membership, and that makes you angry. And

780
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: it's really hard to look beyond that. And it's human

781
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: nature to be riled up by those things. And I'm

782
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: not suggesting that anybody can can do that. I'm not

783
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: suggesting that, you know, you could have turned the other

784
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 3: cheek and suddenly mentored these kids and showing them how

785
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: to bench press properly or whatever.

786
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: It's a hard thing.

787
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: It's a hard journey because the problem is when we

788
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: get riled up, you know, it's like we you know,

789
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: the term we see red is just that we've suddenly

790
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: got to filter over our eyes. We've got the blinker

791
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: vision on. We go down one path and maybe unless

792
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: you're the Dalai Lama or you know somebody who shows

793
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: so much compassion, unless we practice compassion or do we

794
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: mindfully do that? Do we sit down and say, right

795
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: what act of compassion can I perform today?

796
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: Will that make us better people?

797
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: If we You know, you were talking about the haptic

798
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: contact and the fake arm and eventually you know you

799
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: feel that you feeling that touch even though it's not

800
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: your real arm. Well, maybe by by evaluating and saying, Okay,

801
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the five extra breaths before I

802
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: make a decision on what I'm going to do to

803
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: these kids, whether I'm going to approach them, or how

804
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: my reaction is going to be when I approach them.

805
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: You know, what do I say to them? How could

806
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: that play out differently? Because we don't give ourselves the

807
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: time to do that and maybe I don't know, maybe

808
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: it takes a better person than me, potentially, I got

809
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: to say, but to sit back and say, I'm going

810
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: to think for five seconds before I act. You know,

811
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: I'm not going to a rash decision. I'm not going

812
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: to cut that person off. I'm not going to tailgate them.

813
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: You know, They've just cut me off, it's just stuck

814
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: their finger up at me. But I'm going to take

815
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: a few breaths, and is it in the grand scheme

816
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: of things really going to make a change to my life,

817
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: the universe and everything. You know, how many stories have

818
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: you heard of people who've made rash decisions in the

819
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: heat of the moment? Murder is committed in the heat

820
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: of the moment, that's the most you know, very few

821
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: people plan out a murder unless you're.

822
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: A hit man, I guess, or a hit person.

823
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: But the reality of it is, I don't know what

824
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: the statistics are, but you certainly hear that most acts

825
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: of passion, you know, the crime of passion. We've all

826
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: heard that statement before, a crime of pain, And that's

827
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: that's hitting that moment of when emotions take over and

828
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: rationale and the rational brain suddenly just goes out the door.

829
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: Now, now I'm going to say, in my defense, your honor,

830
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: it didn't bother me that they all snuck in. That

831
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: bothered me, but that that wasn't why I went up

832
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, they were being they were being really

833
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: inappropriate in front of people, like they were creating a problem.

834
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: And that's but anyway, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't

835
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: have done it. Maybe I shouldn't think you did the

836
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: right thing. I think that people don't. I've told this

837
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: once before, but I heard this noise. You know where

838
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: I live, and you know the street I live. On

839
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: the end of my driveway. I heard this screaming and

840
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck is That sounded like a child.

841
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: And I went out and I opened I went out.

842
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: I was in just like shorts, bare feet and a

843
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: singlet and there was this father, well I didn't know,

844
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: but there was this grown ass man my size whacking

845
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: this small child what like, at the end of my driveway.

846
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: And the kid was cowering and screaming, Oh my god, wow.

847
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: And so yeah, and I just got between him and

848
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: the child. And you know, anyway, it doesn't matter. But

849
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: and he goes to me, he's my child, that was

850
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: his rationale. Yeah, I go, he's fucking five years old.

851
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: You're a grown ass man. And I told him I

852
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: would hit him if he touched the child. I go,

853
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: if you touch that child, I'll hit you. I don't

854
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: give a fuck if you're the father. And I told

855
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: him he should be ashamed of him. Fucking I don't

856
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: understand how how fucking disconnected do you need to be

857
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: to do that? And then when someone confronts you explain

858
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: that it's okay because he's your child, I'm like, what

859
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with you? It's such a literally

860
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: said that to him, What is wrong with you?

861
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: It's the Neanderthal thing. I don't know.

862
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: And you wonder what happens when he's not on a

863
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Speaker 1: main street in public. Yeah, poor little bugger. Well that's

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Speaker 1: not a very bright fucking anyway, listener. Social vigilities. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I'm not a dad, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a parent. What do I know?

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Speaker 2: But it's hard.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult, Look, Parrington, parenting is really difficult. My colleague

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Speaker 3: and his wife have their little girls, probably going to

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Speaker 3: I think she turns too in March and March this year,

871
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Speaker 3: and he says to me so many times, this is

872
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: the hardest thing we've ever done. They've only got one kid,

873
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Speaker 3: and I think of my mum who had four boys

874
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Speaker 3: and two wins.

875
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Speaker 2: And it's like, how the hell did she do that?

876
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Speaker 2: How do mum say?

877
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Speaker 3: Superheroes like the absolute parents can be absolute superheroes. And

878
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: when people do it right, they just do it so well.

879
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: But the challenges it's really hard, and I've never had

880
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: to face that. You know, it's great that my friends

881
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: let their kids come and stay with me and then

882
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: I send them back. Yeah, you know, it's great to

883
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: do the quality time, to do the fun stuff, you know,

884
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Speaker 3: that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been told nine million times you'd be

886
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Speaker 1: a great dad, But I actually don't think I would.

887
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Speaker 2: I don't know you would.

888
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think i'd be. I think I

889
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: would be so I feel like i'd be over protective

890
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Speaker 1: and I don't definitely would not want to believe that.

891
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Speaker 2: Yeah, bit of a hellicols.

892
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: I know what teenage boys are like, so if I

893
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: had a daughter, I'd be fucking terrible. But anyway, mate,

894
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Speaker 1: we've got to go tell people how to connect with

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Speaker 1: you and build a beautiful relationship. With Patrick James Bonello

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Speaker 1: over twenty twenty five.

897
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Speaker 3: It's funny because my business is like building websites and

898
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Speaker 3: marketing and logos and branding and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you know the websites websites now, dot com, todau.

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Speaker 3: If you want to connect so websites now dot com

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Speaker 3: today you but I feel like, if you really want

902
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Speaker 3: to get to know me, go to my Taichi website,

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Speaker 3: tied Shei at home dot com, todau, because you know,

904
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Speaker 3: it's not it's funny what defines a person.

905
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Speaker 2: It's not one little thing.

906
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Speaker 3: It's just that conglomerate of everything, those that lovely melting pot,

907
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Speaker 3: you know. Today, I'm going to go after we finish now,

908
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Speaker 3: I'll probably take Fritz out for a walk, go for

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Speaker 3: a one down the street. There's an opshop that I

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Speaker 3: want to go to. I'll probably see lots of people.

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Speaker 3: The wonderful thing living in a small town is you

912
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Speaker 3: get to see so many people and to them. There

913
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Speaker 3: was a little arts group that had had lost their

914
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Speaker 3: gallery space and they've just taken over another building. And

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Speaker 3: there was this poor woman trying to get a post

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Speaker 3: out of the ground that was bolted to another post.

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Speaker 3: And I was walking past and I looked at it,

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Speaker 3: and I started chatting to her, and she was really

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Speaker 3: concerned that a kid might swing off it, because a

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00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: kid had done that the day before. So I ended

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Speaker 3: up spending fifteen minutes trying to get us screw out

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Speaker 3: of the bottom of a post. And then we got

923
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Speaker 3: chatting and I had a look at the art space.

924
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Speaker 3: I'm digressing with chatting again. I know the podcasts almost over.

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Speaker 2: But I love that. I love that you know. So

926
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Speaker 2: many different things make up who we are.

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Speaker 3: So Yeah, if you want to know about tech and

928
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Speaker 3: you want to get a website, or you want to

929
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Speaker 3: talk branding and marketing, yeah, go to websites now, dot com,

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Speaker 3: tot are you?

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Speaker 2: But you know what, do some ti cheet with me virtually?

932
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Speaker 3: You know, jump on too, tie chee at home and

933
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Speaker 3: maybe you know, see some of the exercises. Catch up

934
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Speaker 3: with me and Fritz when we do our tie cheet together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you want to get to know me, go

936
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Speaker 2: to my tai cheat website.

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Speaker 1: You remind me of Mary. Mary rings me and she goes,

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Speaker 1: are you busy? I go, yeah, I can't talk, and

939
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Speaker 1: she goes, all right, I'll be brief and then starts talking.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you just said can I talk? And I

941
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Speaker 1: said no, God bless her. All right, mate, thank you,

942
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Speaker 1: I'll see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Jeez.

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Speaker 2: Sarah