WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 17 September 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.400 Late welcome the Late Debate. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:09.640 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.880 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. If 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.920 you think local government in Australia gets pretty crazy, wait 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.200 until we show you a mayoral debate in Brazil. It 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.840 ends with one candidate being hit over the head with 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.880 a chair, as happens in meyoral debates as well. We'll 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.760 look at what's making news in the papers tomorrow. Good 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.920 news for mortgage holders are rumors of four rate cuts 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.279 next year, but can we really believe it? And more 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.839 immigration bungling by the federal labor government that's on tomorrow's 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.440 front page of The Australian. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.400 Will show you that as well. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:46.440 But first, Queers for Palestine activists around the world have 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.360 been given a challenge, a one million dollar prize to 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:53.600 whoever is brave enough to stage a gay pride rally 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.280 in Gaza or in the West Bank. So all those 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:02.760 protesters insisting Thatian liberation and gay liberation are one and 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:05.360 the same thing now have a chance to prove it, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.080 and if they do, as I said, they get a 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.000 million dollars in prize money. Spoiler alert, I don't think 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.720 that million dollars is going anywhere. The money has been 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.160 put up by an American organization called New Tolerance Campaign. Now, 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.480 the president of that organization is himself a gay man, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.759 Gregory Angelo, and he says the offer of a million 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.160 dollars is legit. It's not a stunt, he told the media. 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:29.760 Quote. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.840 This campaign emerged to call out these purported activists of 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.720 LGBTQ equality and to put our money where their mouths are. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.319 I think this is a real opportunity for these groups 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.199 to legitimately step up and host an event that would 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.920 either highlight the fact that the Palestinian territories are not 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.160 indeed a good place for LGBTQ individuals to be living, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.160 or it could be a breakthrough moment for pluralism and 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.320 peace in the Middle East. Well, give that man a 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.920 medal for optimism. The only floor and see in this 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.639 offer is that the organizers have not put any time 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.160 restriction on how long that gay pride parade has to 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.440 last in order for you to qualify for the million dollars. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.760 I suggest if anyone tries it, it may be over 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.560 fairly quickly. Of course, never mind what the LGBTQ quiz 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:24.040 for Palestine activists say the fact is that Islamic nations 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.000 are not kind to gay people. Typically, they're imprisoned, stoned, hung, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.079 or thrown from rooftops. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:32.279 Have listened. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.560 As a gay man, I would be punished and or 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.799 put in prisoner killed if I were opened again in Palestine. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:39.960 How do you react to that? 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:43.280 I didn't know that. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.880 So it is illegal to be gay in Palestine. You 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.160 are punished by prison or Jazz Israel. No Israel has 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.440 gay parade. Israel is completely open to with lesbian and 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.560 gay people. Palestine puts them in prisoner kills them. You 0:02:58.960 --> 0:02:59.720 weren't aware of that. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.160 I was not aware of that. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.680 No, so that does pose an interesting aspect. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.840 It does pose an interesting aspect, interesting challenge, Liz, A 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:12.680 million dollars. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:13.840 It's a legitimate offer. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.480 Anyone who wants to go to Gaza or the West 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.440 Bank and put on a gay pride parade a million bucks. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:20.560 Someone will do it, won't they. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.320 This is weapons grade trolling, and I'm here for it. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.840 I absolutely love it. The more of this, the better. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.560 Satire is such an underrated weapon in the culture wars 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.960 because he's outwardly said. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:36.400 I am being dead serious. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.600 I don't want this dismissed is some sort of I'm 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.480 poking fun. I am being dead serious. If you want 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.960 to hold this rally in Gaza, if you want to 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:51.040 go to Palestine and be all queers for Palestine Palestinian liberation, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:52.600 go for it. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.040 On my dollar. I'll sponsor the whole thing. And no takers, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.400 No takers yet. I mean, this is unbelievable. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.280 I'm almost tempted to have a whack at it just 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.160 for this cash money. But the woman that you showed 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.680 in that clip, by the way, as that pop vox continues, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.240 literally says, and this is to go to show how 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.599 genuinely ignorant. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.120 These people are. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.799 As the drag queen keeps asking her questions, she genuinely. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:27.960 Says to him in all seriousness, but Israel's Muslim country too, 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:28.800 isn't it? 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.480 Literally talk about not having a clue. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:34.840 I love it. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.840 This is just brilliant, and the downfall of it might 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.279 actually be, apart from the fact that there's no timeline 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.240 on it, that someone one of these Quiz for Palestine 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.400 activists may actually give it a go because they don't 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.120 have any idea about how they would be treated if 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.800 they gave it a go. The insurance policy might be 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.360 that he won't have to pay it out because that 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.600 person won't end up coming back to the West. They 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.400 will either be in prison or did. But good on 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.159 him for so Look, if you're really. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.720 That invested in this portion, then go and prove it. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.320 Because so many of these activists, whether they be quiers 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.919 for Palestine or the people who set up tents at 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.800 out the front of the universities across the country. You know, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.000 they're all high and mighty there and this is the 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.960 biggest problem on earth, and we care about it so much. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.720 A million dollars is there. None of them are going 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.640 to do it because AD that don't really understand what 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.760 they're campaigning for, and b they don't really care. It's 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.720 just that Israel and Gaza is the topic dujuur at 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:33.240 the moment. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.320 So they're going to jump on anything they can possibly 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.000 jump on. Do it. Go on, I want to see 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.560 you do it. It will be a beautiful thing. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.920 In fact, we're going to start running a little counter thing, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.920 I think in the corner of the screen there every night, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.760 you know, days since the offer has been made and 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.920 no one's taken it up. Because this is a genuine 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.800 offer and This is what we need, as you say, 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.839 is to see more of. 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:57.800 Till these activists. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.000 If you really care, put your money your mountains, or 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.480 at least put your sensibilities ahead of everything else, and 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:05.159 go and give it a go. 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:06.400 Let's see how it turns out. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.799 And he literally said, I do not want this understood 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.159 as a publicity stunt. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.440 I am dead serious. The money's on. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.400 The table, get your skates on. You do wonder whether 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.200 the liabilities would stand for any kind of security needs 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.640 around such an investment in Gaza, But I doubt we'll 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.159 get to see how that ends, because it will go 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:32.120 absolutely nowhere, as a simple Google would tell those quis 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:33.360 for Palestine to. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.320 A local story. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.800 Now, remember last month we were talking about how Sydney 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.400 Water hadn't tested for pfas in our water catchment. So 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.960 they had been telling us for a very long time, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.760 don't worry about forever chemicals in your drinking water. There 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.360 is none, at least we don't know that there is any, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.880 because we haven't tested for any. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.679 Then they tested for some and. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.080 Found some, but they said, don't worry about it. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:01.920 They quietly were this information on their website. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.920 Don't worry about it. It's all under control and it's 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.200 really not that bad. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.440 Well, today we discover that the p fass situation in 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.400 this particular water catchment up in the Blue Mountains is 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.400 white hot. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.120 We are told by these experts. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:23.240 To quote Western Sydney University water scientist Ian Wright, he said, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:24.520 the results are white hot. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.080 We have gone in a couple of months from there 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.240 are no hot spots in. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.480 The catchment area to these very disturbing results. The only 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.680 difference is that now we've started testing, so they've found 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:42.000 these pa fas chemicals. They've detected levels more than fifty 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.280 times higher than Australian drinking water standards. Keep in mind, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:51.640 Australian drinking water standards allow an amount of pfas in 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:56.600 your drinking water one hundred and forty times higher than 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.600 the maximum levels the US allows just in the US. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:06.280 In Europe, Australia's daily tolerable intake is two hundred and 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.720 eighty times more than the amount deemed safe by the European. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.280 Food Safety Authority. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.360 So safe to say when they say that Australia's situation 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.720 with pfas at the moment is an international embarrassment, they're 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.120 not being dramatic. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.640 What is being done about this. You asked absolutely nothing. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.000 Well, I mean, I think we can safely say nothing. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.000 Given it with Senator Lydia Thorpe, who has been made 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.640 chairman of some sort of committee. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.040 That's supposed to be looking into this. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.880 Talk about a government telling you we're not making this 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:47.720 top priority. Keep in mind, these are forever chemicals. There's 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.559 about fourteen thousand of them. When we're talking about pfases, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.600 we're talking about fourteen thousand different chemicals. They're referred to 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.360 as forever chemicals because they don't break down in your body, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.840 and they don't break down in the atmosphe. They are 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:06.120 indeed forever, and they have very real health impacts, even 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.280 very worrying links to cancer. There's a reason why the 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.239 US says it is spending a quarter of a trillion 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.000 dollars a year on the health impacts that p fas 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.720 in the bodies of Americans are having on their health system. 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.160 There's no word of a lie. They actually estimate it 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.959 would be more than that, but that's a conservative estimate 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.839 because it is in fact linked to so many health complications. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.600 They're just trying to stay on top of it all. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.320 This is something that our government has ignored for so long. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.160 Most everyday people aren't even aware that this stuff is 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.080 in your food. It's in your food packaging, it's in 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:52.040 your tupperware, ladies, it's in your makeup and your hygiene products. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.240 It's in your toothfloss, you name it. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:55.880 You can find p fasts there. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.760 And this is just day after day building up in 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.199 people's bodies. And the insidious nature of this is that 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.240 if later in life, after you've had this build up, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.520 you do have certain health complications, the last thing that 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.360 you're going to think of doing is blaming it on pfas. 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.920 And even if you could, who are you going to sue? 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.679 Who are you going to get any kind of recriminations from? 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.520 Who are you going to get a payout from? When 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:27.520 all these manufacturers of countless different products are just doing 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.720 this willy nilly, and the government refuses to do anything 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.520 because corporate greed reigns and rules supreme, and the government 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.720 knows we're not going to put the clamp down on 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:43.120 all these different industries that a multimillion dollar, multi billion 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.839 dollar industries sot it to. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.240 The health of our people. 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.319 It's just business as usual. It's utterly infuriating. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.720 We recently show a study on this program, and I 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.520 think it found that it was about five percent of 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.720 the weight that were finding in people's brains was microplastics. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.240 Right, So he accumulates in the. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.400 Body, it cannot be expelled and if it's coming into 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.720 places like your brain, then you're going to be seriously worried. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.000 And I know we've highlighted this before, but the fact 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.520 that the New South Wales federal government said that we 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.720 don't believe there's anything to worry about because we haven't 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.440 tested for p fats because we don't believe there's any 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.760 prefats in the water. It's like I'd likened it last 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.280 time to you know, on colleges saying well, I'm not 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.200 going to check if there might be any cancer in 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.679 your body because I don't believe at this point that. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:30.560 There is any cancer. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.760 Well, yeah, that's going to go really well, isn't it. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.480 It comes down to pure laziness. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:40.040 And by the way, the negligence anty times. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.440 That was found in the dam by this particular scientist, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.520 he also found in a catchment that feeds into the. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.560 Dam two hundreds of times, right. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:49.679 Which is just extraordinary. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.600 But given that the US has most recently made moves 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.640 on this and severely restricted the amount that is allowed 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.120 to be found in potable drinking water. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.800 You gave them numb from Europe. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.640 There, the fact like it's being done across the world, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.000 the fact that the Australian government just sort of sits 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.080 on its hands and says, ah, well, we don't really 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.360 think this is anything to worry about. 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:09.560 At the moment. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.480 What about the rest of the world. They're moving on it. 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.600 Why don't you want to move on it. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.880 It's not as though there isn't precedent being seid across 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:17.520 the western world. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:17.760 Here. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.320 There's a number of really interesting lessons from this. Firstly, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:24.040 you should never underestimate the ineptitude of government bureaucracy. 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:25.640 As you've both pointed out. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.920 They said there's no need to test because we have 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.840 no evidence of PFAS, and the reason we have no 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.160 evidence is because we've done no tests. So it's this 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.320 wonderful circular argument that's very self serving. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.719 The second lesson is. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.240 Just how important good journalism is, because if it wasn't 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.200 for the Sydney Morning Herald doing an investigation, they were 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.600 the ones who commissioned this scientist ye to go and 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.040 do a proper study, then it would be situation normal 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.640 and water New South Wales cannot say, or have not said, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.960 or will not say how long water was flowing with 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.400 pfas levels elevated until. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.679 It was recognized. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.160 And then third, it makes you wonder if there's elevated 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.840 levels of pfas in these water catchment areas for the 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.560 Blue Mountains, in what other parts of Australia Is pfas 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.240 a significant part of the water supply And we just 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.040 don't know because a bureaucracy, a bureaucrat hasn't been motivated 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.160 to get off his ass. And then fourth, they still 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.080 haven't found the source of this pfas. They're still trying 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.160 to work it out. Is it come from, even suggesting 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.480 it could have come from road accidents where firefighters have 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.240 used foam on a highway that's not far from a 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.120 water source. The other concern is that it's in the 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.439 water table itself and so they may never be able 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.640 to completely get rid of it. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.600 He would have seen into the water table. But of 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.679 course the suggestion that it is coming from firefighting phone 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.000 is quite legitimate. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.200 But they have known about that for at least a decade. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.880 Federal government has been paying our compensation to people whose 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:59.079 land has been infected by pfas needs to air wrapt bases. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.760 All they've used this farfludas. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.200 In training exercises. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.839 They've been aware of that for decades and yet they 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.000 still have not. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.880 Made any movement on it. And I know they will 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.040 argue that it is difficult, because it is absolutely everybody. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:18.480 Oh oh well, if it's difficult, god forbid, you put 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.800 the health of twenty five million Australians first and actually 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.320 do your due diligence. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.760 As per the numbers from. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.560 The American health sector, saying that so many people are 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.640 sick due to the side effects of these chemicals found 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:39.240 in everything from your disposable coffee cup, microplastics. Everywhere people 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.880 are ingesting these on a daily basis. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.760 Yes, it will cost a lot of. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.800 Money to get this right in any country, but like 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:47.520 you say, at. 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.040 Least others are trying. It is worth it nothing. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.760 We can all agree. Nothing is worth more than one's 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:54.440 personal health. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:55.200 That's it. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.840 If you don't have your health, your quality of life 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.160 is not half of what it could be. Everyone knows 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.120 it's the most valuable thing that every individual has, and 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.920 this government doesn't give a. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.440 Rich and the irony is we're continually told and warned 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.240 about the fact that Australia's being left behind by other countries, 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.280 whether it's with regards renewables or whether it's regards for 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.280 rights for certain identity groups. We've got to catch up 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.040 with the rest of the world otherwise we're going to 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.960 be seen as laggards. But when it comes to something 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.800 as serious as this, well, the government's conducting a review 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.040 and who knows when that will be completed, And as 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.760 you said, with Lydia Thorpe leading the charge on some 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.120 of these things, god knows. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:34.960 If you've done. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.720 The main difference between these issues is the others that 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.920 you named are government a genders. 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.440 They've got a dog in the fight. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.920 There's a reason why, oh Australia can't be seen as 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.000 a laggart in this area. But when it's just concerning 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.360 my health and your health and your children's children's children, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.360 because this is only going to get worse over successive generations. Again, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.200 if these chemicals don't break down, we're literally just filling 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.200 up the world with them. Then oh no, no, no, 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.520 this is fine. It's perfectly okay to be a lagger. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.200 This isn't the government doesn't have a dog in this fight. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.360 We couldn't care less. Let's not pay attention to this. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.720 I'm trying to work out, Caleb, which is the better 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.760 troll on the public? Is it Kamala Harris being responsible 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.280 for protecting humanity from AI or is it Lydia thought 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.720 being responsible to protect our brains from plastic? 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.600 Probably on the same level, I'd suggest Lydia Thorpe has 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.000 already been affected by high levels of plastic in her brain. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.160 One thing we don't want to follow the rest of 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.000 the world on is a convention that is set to 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.960 be ratified by the UN this month. Now, this has 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.560 already been approved by a committee of the UN put 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:44.040 forward by Russia and China, and you'd think that would 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.520 set alarm bells off, But the majority of the UN 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:52.320 is supporting this convention on cyber crime. You might go, okay, cybercrime, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.360 Sam's like something that we'd want to crack down on. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.480 But this comes at the same time as we brought 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.240 you the story last night about Queen's Land heavily restricting 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.880 free speech in their state. We of course have the 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.560 Misinformation Disinformation Bill that has been introduced at a federal 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:08.639 level here. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:09.120 Well. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.119 Now, the UN says that in the name of combating 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.919 cyber crime, they basically want to give governments across the 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:21.720 world unprecedented ability to share online information, online data with 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.360 each other to combat what they call serious crime. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.600 But the threshold for deciding. 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.640 What a serious crime is is the two governments agree 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.400 that a crime is serious. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:34.720 So that could be anything. 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.679 It could be that you are criticizing the prime minister 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.240 or the leader of a country. It could be that 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.800 you are putting misinformation online. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:43.399 Who knows. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.360 Two governments simply have to agree that it is a 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.480 serious crime, and then they'll have special abilities to gain 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:53.240 data that the otherwise would not have. Now, this, as 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.359 you can imagine, is a major threat to the free press, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.040 and in the United States journalists are fighting tooth and 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.080 nail again this. They've actually been taking out full page 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.520 ads in newspapers warning of what is going to come 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:06.600 if this is passed. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.520 This is one of those full page ads. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.480 Where they say protect journalists, reject a new global surveillance treaty. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.520 For more than three years, you and Member States have 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:19.160 been negotiating new global convention to combat cybercrime introduced. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.760 By Russia with the support. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.960 Of China, Iran and other authoritarian regimes, it has expanded 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.520 to become a broad criminal instrument that gives authorities far 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.200 reaching surveillance and investigatory powers both at home and abroad, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.720 with weak safeguards to prevent overreach and abuse. They warn 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.919 that it could give spy capabilities to track down and 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.240 punish journalists and give repressive regimes even more tools for 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.280 targeting and muzzling the press, which is of course what 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.879 any government would want when they believe that people are 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.920 saying things that might be negative towards them right. One 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.360 expert who has done a deep dive into what this 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.560 convention would be on data ax says that unfortunately, a 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.040 data access treaty has been drawn up that will allow 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.320 governments around the world to exchange citizens' personal information in 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.360 perpetual secrecy in the event of any crime the two 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.479 governments agree. Is serious as I was talking about before. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.480 He says, this would include eavesdropping on location and real 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.680 time communications around the world. It would force it workers 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.280 to divulge passwords or other access keys that would compromise 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.760 the security of global systems that billions of people rely 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.960 on every day, and it's not just private sector systems. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.399 Government systems are also at risk, and we know exactly 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.239 how much data government collects on us. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:41.960 This could potentially. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.440 Open up the possibility for foreign governments to gain access 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.080 to your data from governments on the other side of 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.480 the world. Nick Ashtonhart is his name. He also goes 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.640 on to point out other ridiculous parts of this convention. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.679 He says, incredibly, the text expressly allows governments to prosecute 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.600 children for sexting in the same article that is supposed 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.640 to protect them from sexual predators. The article also puts 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.920 people working in charities who help bring predators to justice 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.240 at risk of prosecution because they need access to material 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.399