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Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to believe it, Fitz, We've managed to

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Speaker 2: drag this man down. As his last chat in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, Michael, Asha, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: But it's really good to be here. We love to

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Speaker 1: be here in person.

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Speaker 2: And do you know what, we're going to go through

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Speaker 2: some of the great lists of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: But why are you're here? I was so excited knowing

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Speaker 2: that you were coming up because on social media I

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Speaker 2: just keep getting served great moments from the from TV

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Speaker 2: and also media over the years. And one of the

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Speaker 2: best would have to be the twenty eleven sit down

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Speaker 2: you had for sixty minutes with Sarah Ferguson.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that a hot mess?

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Speaker 2: That's do you know what? I've never seen it, so

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Speaker 2: I want to hear you guys chat about I want

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Speaker 2: to find out what happened behind the scenes. But if

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Speaker 2: you haven't heard this sit down on one on one interview,

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Speaker 2: here's a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Now. Did you take the money one stage? You had

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Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars cash sitting in front of you.

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Speaker 3: Did you take absolutely yes, And it was given to me,

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Speaker 3: and I got it in the car and then returned

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Speaker 3: it straight away once the scandal broke, as soon as

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Speaker 3: I knew it was a scandal, not once it broke, Michael.

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Speaker 3: But don't try and trick me now, because I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to play this game. Delete that bit, John, cant

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Speaker 3: it please that bit? Because I don't want to go

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Speaker 3: down this.

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Speaker 1: This is everything you've written in your book. Yes, your book,

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Speaker 1: and I've already.

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Speaker 3: The book has already been released. That's done, it's finished.

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Speaker 3: I've answered it. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Moving up to the next Ques, this is just the

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Speaker 1: starting point of this year in your life that you've written.

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Speaker 4: Very much.

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Speaker 1: That's what started the whole thing. Thank you. You do

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Speaker 1: right though, that this tabloid scandal in fact, almost helped you.

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Speaker 1: That you look very grateful to.

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Speaker 3: Being in that position in a way when I hit

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Speaker 3: rock bottom because because of it, it woke me up.

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Speaker 1: How big a wake up has it been?

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Speaker 2: Or more?

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Speaker 3: Can I say?

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Speaker 1: The biggest? Of course it has? How has it? Affection?

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Speaker 3: I take minutes.

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Speaker 2: At that moment she talks, I know, and how do you.

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Speaker 1: Not lose your cool? Cool, like you were just so

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Speaker 1: she walked off. Okay, The thing is, as I kept

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Speaker 1: repeating to her, you know, when you're sitting there, going,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I had nothing up my sleeve. I

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Speaker 1: about in her book, and she was trying to make

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Speaker 1: a lot of money off the book. Right, So she

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Speaker 1: has agreed that there were no conditions on that interview

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Speaker 1: at all. And during the day earlier we'd spent hours

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Speaker 1: she wanted to make out. I had to call her duchess.

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't let me call hers sera.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It was all lots and lots of airs and graces.

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Speaker 1: But she was fine, and she was relatively sweet. But

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Speaker 1: who wants to sign some books? I'll signed your book

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Speaker 4: That's for a sixty minutes journalist, right, that's Jack Pop

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Speaker 4: in a situation like that. But you've got to be

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Speaker 1: You're going, oh my god, gold here and where do

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Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of good interviewers over the years,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think. I think if you go back,

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Speaker 1: you know Michael's senior jan Events, who just took their

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Speaker 2: Exercise professionally, and we do it as well. Quite often.

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Speaker 1: This is what I said before, because she was it

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Speaker 2: I loved watching that's out every couple of years ago Virals. Yes,

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Speaker 1: We'll get your back list time. This is the Fitzy

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Speaker 1: and Whipper with Cape Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited to be tonight, Marsh because tonight seven

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Speaker 4: o'clock on Channel seven it's the twenty twenty four in review.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, there's a lot of news stories

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Speaker 4: that you do forget about. I mean it's massive. We

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Speaker 4: which is huge, and what was going on Royal's.

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Speaker 1: US election was massive as well. So someone tried to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was a massive It's just it's funny

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Speaker 5: you say that's fizzy because even when you know, we're

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Speaker 1: Through the list, going oh yeah, forget about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then you know tragical which we can never make

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Speaker 1: There's lots of up moments too, which is great.

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Speaker 4: But can we throw a few at your marsh if

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Speaker 4: What about Kate's pregnancy to doctor Chris Brown in your idea?

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Speaker 1: She is definitely definitely on the list. I mean we

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Speaker 1: it and what we've done with this special tonight at seventies,

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Speaker 2: I hope too that as celebrated on this show Taylor

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Speaker 2: in your favorite at Taylor Swift outfit, sequin glasses, friendship

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Speaker 2: and and maybe you said it.

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Speaker 1: You know what, next year we should theme interview every

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Speaker 1: Trump is by what you're wearing.

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Speaker 4: We were just having a conversation with Mush off air

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Speaker 4: during that song. And I think your favorite era, similar

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Speaker 4: to Taylor Swift, would have to be a Cowgooli era

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Speaker 4: when you're working out there.

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Speaker 1: Wild West, wild West. What is a great way to

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Speaker 2: Great way to learn?

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Speaker 2: can you remember one where you just completely stuffed up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a few. Okay, I'll reveal one moment,

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Speaker 1: and it's a little topical given what she's gon through

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Speaker 1: at the moment, but we know our doorn Fraser has

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta in nineteen ninety six covering the Olympic Games.

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Speaker 1: We've griben an Olympic year, which makes our list tonight

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Speaker 1: we're going to go and get a pizza somewhere. So

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Speaker 1: we're sitting having a pizza at this hotel and there's

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Speaker 1: we're having the pizza, chowing down and there were all

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Speaker 1: and Brendan's got his camera and I swore him to

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Speaker 1: I'm just so hungry, Like just sit and chow down

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Speaker 1: on the pizza for a minute. Anyway, person gets wheeled

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Speaker 1: and the last second I turned and went, oh, good lord,

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Speaker 1: that's doing Fraser and Dorner. It had a heart issue

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta in ninety six and they'd called the Australian

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Speaker 1: I spent the next week in Atlanta, perched outside a

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Speaker 1: the One's Brady, you know. And I got a pepperoni

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Speaker 1: slice right here going I had, I had the exclusive,

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Speaker 1: and I chose the pepperoni. It just wheeled past me.

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Speaker 1: I turned to Brendon and I said, twenty years, mate,

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Speaker 1: we don't speak about this for twenty years, locking it up.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, guys couldn't get the story.

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Speaker 1: Poor girl.

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