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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: In the summer of nineteen eighty five, the coastal town

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Speaker 2: a gentle, easy going bloke who had been visiting Blue

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Speaker 2: five summers. Nothing about his life suggested danger, nothing hinted

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Speaker 2: No witness, a car, no confirmed sighting. Three days later,

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Speaker 2: his bank accounts untouched, his plans abandoned, and the Red

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Speaker 2: no search, no inquest, no public appeal, and a family

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Speaker 2: explores the life Andrew left behind. The final moments before

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Speaker 2: he disappeared and the questions that remain lingering.

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Speaker 3: This is the Missing Matter, Andrew Matters, Well.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back everybody to the Missing Matter podcast. This morning's

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Speaker 4: guest is actually sitting with me, which I love. It's

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Speaker 4: always nice to have someone's sitting in the room with

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Speaker 4: you when we're talking about these very delicate conversations. Today's

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Speaker 4: missing person we are talking about is a gentleman. His

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Speaker 4: name is Andrew Inglis and he was just eighteen years

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Speaker 4: of age when he disappeared without a trace from Yamber

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Speaker 4: on the New South Wales North Coast on Boxing Day

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Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty five. Andrew has been missing for fourteen thousand,

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Speaker 4: five hundred and sixty five days.

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Speaker 1: And today I.

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Speaker 4: Am actually joined with the lovely lady Joanne green Cell

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Speaker 4: and Joanne lives in northern New South Wales currently and

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Speaker 4: as many times over the years reached out to help

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Speaker 4: me and JOONI as we sort of fumble our way

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Speaker 4: through my own mum's investigation, be it handing out flyers,

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Speaker 4: going to the library, or even crocheting some beautiful gifts

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Speaker 4: for our fundraising raffles at Mum's II Tea that we

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Speaker 4: recently had in October. More recently, Joanne has opened up

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Speaker 4: loved one, and today she's here to share her journey

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Speaker 4: with us all. So, Joe, welcome to the Missing That Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Sally. It's a pleasure to be here. Privilege.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we've talked so many times, and you know, it's

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Speaker 4: nice to obviously I see your face online as well,

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Speaker 4: but it's nice to just give you a hug and

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Speaker 4: say thank you for helping me too, because you've done

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Speaker 4: amazing things in my own space as well. And you

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Speaker 4: reached out to me when we started doing the podcast

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Speaker 4: because and I remember he's saying to me, you felt

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Speaker 4: awkward talking about it because you didn't want people to

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Speaker 4: silly because Andrew was a boy that you dated some

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Speaker 4: forty odd years ago. But I said to you, I

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Speaker 4: think it's an important story to tell because there's an

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Speaker 4: ambiguity that lives with you still today.

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Speaker 1: Going to jump in and talk about who Andrew was.

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Speaker 1: Take us back.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about Andrew. Sure, he was only eighteen, you

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Speaker 4: were seventeen. Yep, he was born in the seventh of

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Speaker 4: you'd known Andrew for five years, and given his youth

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Speaker 4: becoming at that time?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Look, I think like most young men that age, I

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Speaker 5: think he was probably like we all were at that age,

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Speaker 1: You know what was important to us, where we wanted

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Speaker 5: Our relationship was, you know, was very much that holiday

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Speaker 5: He was a very confident, proud, stood tall, and I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know, what am I going to do? What do

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Speaker 4: You know, well, he had did very distinctive features. I'm

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Speaker 4: looking at him here. He's a handsome guy, big blue eyes, ginger,

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Speaker 1: As I said before, you know, he stood tall.

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Speaker 5: You know, we were both red heads, you know, so

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Speaker 5: but for me, I just always felt safe in his presence.

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Speaker 5: He gave me that feeling of safety. And you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fit.

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Speaker 5: You know, we both were very sports orientated, in different sports.

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Speaker 4: And so let's go back to nineteen eighty five. It's

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Speaker 4: what holidaying in Yamber was like back in the eighties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, and I think it changed quite dramatically during

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Speaker 5: which was when I was very small. I don't even

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Speaker 5: you know, so we were going to Yamber for Christmas

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Speaker 1: So by nine and eighty five, you.

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Speaker 4: You know, like our entire school would go down and

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Speaker 1: And so tell us, how did you and Andrew first meet?

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Speaker 5: So my family always stayed at the Blue Dolphin Caravan Park,

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Speaker 5: and that was where his family was staying that year.

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Speaker 5: I think it was probably the first year they've been,

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Speaker 1: There for hours.

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Speaker 5: And one day Andrew and his brother turned up to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, could you paint a picture for us of what

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Speaker 4: that particular someone was like for you?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, obviously that was first relationship.

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Speaker 5: only because I still look back and go I was thirteen,

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Speaker 1: But you know, that was how it was for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, we spent time fishing.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the pool at the caravan park had

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Speaker 5: So really we were spending time fishing and you know,

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Speaker 5: I suppose like you know, the world revolved around around me.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, he said, you both love fishing and being

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Speaker 4: in the water, and as you got older, you would

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Speaker 4: go on surfing trips down to the beach. Is any

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Speaker 5: You know, as we got a little bit older and

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Speaker 5: There was actually probably about five or six families that

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Speaker 5: in the back of my dad had a one ton

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Speaker 5: and he'd drive us out to Angary and just this

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Speaker 5: is pre mobile phones, like pre anything like that, and

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Speaker 5: we would have been in all sorts of grief because

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Speaker 4: And you described Andrew as your first love and your protector.

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Speaker 4: So given his age and those holiday together, how did

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Speaker 4: for you at that time?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think, like a lot of teenagers, and

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Speaker 4: It's reported that Andrew left the Blue Dolphin caravan Park

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Speaker 4: and was never seen. Again your parents had purchased a

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Speaker 1: Park and you arrive there that.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon it was daylight saving so it was light still

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Speaker 4: went round to his tent and what happened.

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Speaker 1: THEN i didn't go inside the.

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Speaker 5: TENT i stood outside BECAUSE i was a little bit,

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Speaker 5: have been in my stilettos and all the things that

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Speaker 1: Doing get organized. WHATEVER i won't use the words that.

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Speaker 5: He expressed to, Me and he'd never spoken to me

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Speaker 1: HIM i just took my little redheaded, personality went, fine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay and you, know we're all organized and the

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Speaker 5: Go, yeah for whatever, REASON i had no. IDEA i

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Speaker 5: don't think at that time that there'd been any sort

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Speaker 1: Later so you, know we went, out we went to

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Speaker 5: That to be quite, honest my brain's very good at

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Speaker 5: like his, father we just all assumed that he'd gone,

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Speaker 1: Made can you walk us through how you remember the

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Speaker 5: Afternoon, yeah so it Was Boxing, day AND i suppose

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Speaker 5: Christmas day And Boxing day were still very much family,

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Speaker 5: day probably up until that point THAT i came to collect,

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Speaker 5: all those things that you, do SO i probably wouldn't

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Speaker 5: Reason so those couple of days we did sort, of you,

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Speaker 5: know stick to our own. Families so we'd obviously at

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Speaker 5: couple of days. Beforehand you, know the boys by that

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Speaker 5: stage were in their own. Tent you, know initially when

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Speaker 5: they came, up they would stay with their, parents but

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Speaker 5: then they became a bigger group of. Them that came

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Speaker 5: they were, smaller came as a. Group they had their own,

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Speaker 5: tinny and AS i was, told you, know they'd been

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Speaker 1: Them AND i don't even know what that disagreement was.

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Speaker 4: Know still, today you don't know what that disagreement was. About,

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Speaker 4: interestingly because those voys would obviously. Know, yeah, YEAH i

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Speaker 4: at what point did you personally realize the disappearance was

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Speaker 1: WHEN i found out that he hadn't gone.

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Speaker 5: HOME i think it was about three days After Boxing

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Speaker 5: day that his father went to a public phone during

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Speaker 5: his mother back In sydney Or camden and found out

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Speaker 5: that he wasn't. Home AND i suspect it was probably

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Speaker 1: That And so when Was andrew officially listed as missing

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Speaker 1: and by whom it would have been his?

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Speaker 5: Father i'm assuming it was his, father AND i would

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Speaker 1: Home certainly that would have been when the initial contact

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Speaker 5: Made, yeah in terms of an official missing person's. REPORT

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Speaker 5: i don't know the timing of, that but certainly there.

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Speaker 5: Was my understanding is that when they found out he

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Speaker 5: have been the first contact With New southwest.

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Speaker 1: Police. Yeah and AS i, said you, Know yeamber at

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Speaker 5: Town there might have been a couple of extras around

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Speaker 5: because it Was, christmas that it would have been a

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Speaker 1: Imagine, Yeah AND i mean we.

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Speaker 4: All know that people can walk into police stations and

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Speaker 1: Not that's another, thing. Right, Yeah so reflecting on, that

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Speaker 1: what are the what ifs that you still carry from that?

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Speaker 5: Night what IF i hadn't walked, away you, know what

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Speaker 5: If i'd gone into the tent and had a. Conversation

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Speaker 5: was going on with him that summer because something was

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Speaker 2: Much on?

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Speaker 1: You but, again you KNOW i WAS i was just

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Speaker 5: Didn't talk about things like, that you, KNOW i JUST

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Speaker 5: i NEVER i did ask the boys and they sort

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Speaker 5: know let's not let's not dive into you, Know god

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Speaker 1: You, know that just wasn't what we were there to.

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Speaker 1: Do you, Know so my what If i'd.

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Speaker 5: Convinced him to come with us that, night If i'd

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Speaker 5: sent the others without, me If i'd any of those

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Speaker 5: things that could have changed that split second that sliding

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Speaker 1: To sliding nor moments missing person's. Cases and you're not

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Speaker 4: That AND i know it's hard to pull yourself back

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Speaker 4: through BECAUSE i do the what ifs all the time as.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not good for.

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Speaker 4: Us but the REASON i, ask AND i don't mean

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Speaker 4: give people that understanding of when you're living in this

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Speaker 4: and it's forty years, ago so you, know forty years,

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Speaker 4: on where do we sit and what do we ponder?

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Speaker 4: About because there's still something that you ask every day

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Speaker 4: of your. Life and that's what we call ambiguous.

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Speaker 1: LOSS.

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Speaker 4: Yep, so While i've been Researching andrew's, CASE i was

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Speaker 4: alerted that on The National Missing Person's register that they've

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Speaker 4: noted his last sighting was at a place Called Summer

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Speaker 4: hill In New South. Wales it's eight hours away From.

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Speaker 4: Yamber now you mentioned that his mum lived In, sydney

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Speaker 4: and we won't talk about where they live, specifically just

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Speaker 4: for their, privacy but they didn't live In Summer.

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Speaker 1: Hell what did you make of, This.

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Speaker 5: Joe, WELL i don't THINK i realized that until you

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Speaker 5: raised it with me like that just astounds, me you,

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Speaker 5: know BECAUSE i think it says that he was last

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Speaker 5: sighted in Summer hill on that. Day that's an absolute.

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Speaker 5: Impossibility it says it's eight hours From. Sydney now it's

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Speaker 5: and in THIS i know where it. IS i lived

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Speaker 5: In sydney for ten. Years it's in a city. Suburb

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Speaker 1: There any connection, Too i'm not aware of any.

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Speaker 5: Connection none of his family lived in the city Of,

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Speaker 5: sydney none of his mates.

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Speaker 1: Did and you could not have driven.

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Speaker 5: From yeambert To sydney on the roads in that time,

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Speaker 5: frame in probably anything under nine.

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Speaker 5: The bypasses Around buller deal are Tarree Kempsy Maxwell, grafton

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Speaker 5: they're all there, now those places you had to drive, through.

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Speaker 1: And this Is boxing, day you, know one of the

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Speaker 5: Road there is just no way he could, have like

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Speaker 5: if he didn't, leave AND i can't remember the exact,

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Speaker 5: time But i'm going to say somewhere between six and eight.

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Speaker 5: Pm if he left during that, period there is impossible

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Speaker 5: is when that day, finishes.

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Speaker 1: And it's storming and it's steet roads and he's in a.

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Speaker 4: Dats i'm going to put photos of your up on

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Speaker 4: the website and on our socials so people can look

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Speaker 4: out for the car. Too but When i'm, googling that's

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Speaker 4: eight hours in today's. World but that would have taken

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Speaker 5: Traffic, yeah, yeah you, KNOW i think at that time

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Speaker 5: of the, night you, know you probably would have done

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Speaker 5: it in.

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Speaker 1: Ten but it doesn't matter whether it's, ten whether it's,

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Speaker 1: thirteen it's still. Impossible, yeah it's. Impossibility unless it's five,

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Speaker 1: hours it's.

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00:20:33,801 --> 00:20:37,681
Speaker 5: Impossible and there is no connection That i've ever been

439
00:20:37,721 --> 00:20:40,201
Speaker 5: aware of to, something, hell even to this, day none

440
00:20:40,281 --> 00:20:42,241
Speaker 5: of his family live in that part Of. Sydney even

441
00:20:42,281 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 5: now forty years, later some of them live In, sydney

442
00:20:44,281 --> 00:20:45,041
Speaker 5: but none of them live.

443
00:20:45,321 --> 00:20:49,601
Speaker 4: There and that concerns me because you, know you've got

444
00:20:50,201 --> 00:20:52,961
Speaker 4: a national database that actually has his profile there and

445
00:20:53,041 --> 00:20:54,961
Speaker 4: it says that that's where he was last. Sighted so

446
00:20:55,281 --> 00:20:57,961
Speaker 4: if someone did hear this and they, went, OH i

447
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: remember seeing a six foot one, tool, redheaded blue eyed

448
00:21:01,681 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 4: fella In yamber On Boxing day and they look up

449
00:21:05,441 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 4: the profile on the national database and it, says, oh

450
00:21:07,681 --> 00:21:09,241
Speaker 4: he went missing From Summer, HILL i must be.

451
00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: Mistaken that's actually.

452
00:21:10,961 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 4: Important it, is So i'm hoping that we can probably

453
00:21:13,921 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 4: try and get some clarity on that would be.

454
00:21:16,521 --> 00:21:19,241
Speaker 1: GOOD i have to assume that there's been some sort

455
00:21:19,281 --> 00:21:20,321
Speaker 1: of report from.

456
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 5: Somebody surely the whoever's, responsible whether it's THE afp or

457
00:21:24,201 --> 00:21:26,801
Speaker 5: The New South Wales police or whoever is responsible for

458
00:21:27,281 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 5: creating and keeping these, records don't just pluck these things

459
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 5: from their Proverbial so It's.

460
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,241
Speaker 4: New South wales just so you, Know New South Wales

461
00:21:35,321 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 4: police have to give the information to THE afp for

462
00:21:38,521 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 4: it to go on the. Database so When i've got

463
00:21:40,241 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 4: all these errors where my mum was last seen At

464
00:21:42,521 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 4: Surface paradise bus stop where she was actually In. Southport

465
00:21:45,961 --> 00:21:48,241
Speaker 4: for them to change it at THE, AFP i have

466
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: to jump through hoops and Get New South Wales police

467
00:21:50,801 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 4: to update it therein and they have to update THE,

468
00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,321
Speaker 4: afp SO i can't even give them the. Information so

469
00:21:56,441 --> 00:22:00,761
Speaker 4: it's very convoluted and very. Frustrating so talking about that

470
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 4: more of my SEARCHING i was digging through because you,

471
00:22:04,521 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 4: know there is not a lot About andrew right and

472
00:22:07,241 --> 00:22:09,481
Speaker 4: this is one of the key THINGS i wanted to

473
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,561
Speaker 4: do in doing this podcast was bringing awareness to people who,

474
00:22:13,721 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: matter particularly if there is nothing really out there about.

475
00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 4: Them The Dough network have a profile For, andrew but

476
00:22:23,001 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: they Have andrew's birthday.

477
00:22:24,521 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: Incorrect they had it as the second Of july nineteen sixty.

478
00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:31,801
Speaker 4: Seven and WHEN i was just confirming my notes with,

479
00:22:31,921 --> 00:22:34,761
Speaker 4: you you said to, me actually his birthdays the seventh

480
00:22:34,801 --> 00:22:38,681
Speaker 4: Of february nineteen sixty. Seven maybe someone got The american

481
00:22:38,961 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 4: sort of date mixed, around AND i was, like this

482
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,321
Speaker 4: is so, important and this is what's out there for

483
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 4: people to. See this is also noted in an article

484
00:22:48,001 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: THAT i found dated the eighteenth Of november nineteen eighty

485
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,161
Speaker 4: six in The Sydney Morning, herald as well as having

486
00:22:54,241 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 4: him as nineteen years of, age and he was, well

487
00:22:57,521 --> 00:23:00,561
Speaker 4: he would have been nineteen because it was this article

488
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,321
Speaker 4: was written In november of nineteen eighty. Six, however he

489
00:23:03,441 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 4: was eighteen at the time he went, missing so they

490
00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:08,281
Speaker 4: really should have him as an eighteen year. Old and

491
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,321
Speaker 4: there's a quote there which really bugged, me and it's

492
00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:15,481
Speaker 4: saying the police report comments that the parents believe their

493
00:23:15,561 --> 00:23:16,601
Speaker 4: son's ego.

494
00:23:16,441 --> 00:23:19,721
Speaker 1: Is defleated and that's why he's not been in touch with.

495
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: Them what do you make of?

496
00:23:21,241 --> 00:23:28,761
Speaker 5: That it feels to me like a very small amount

497
00:23:28,801 --> 00:23:31,521
Speaker 5: of words out of a much bigger, picture taken completely

498
00:23:31,561 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 5: out of, context which you.

499
00:23:34,241 --> 00:23:36,081
Speaker 1: KNOW i know the media can.

500
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,161
Speaker 5: DO i don't know BECAUSE i haven't had those, conversations

501
00:23:40,241 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 5: BUT i suspect, that you, know at some point there

502
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 5: was a question asked about why perhaps they thought he

503
00:23:46,041 --> 00:23:47,641
Speaker 5: had left.

504
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: Or do you think he's the kind of guy that

505
00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 4: had a big ego that he would just leave everybody

506
00:23:53,001 --> 00:23:56,281
Speaker 4: behind for no apparent. Reason, no or if there was

507
00:23:56,321 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 4: a dispute like would that have been big enough for

508
00:23:58,761 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 4: him to walk away and Go i'm leaving my entire family, no.

509
00:24:03,721 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Certainly he was very. Proud AND i know there's a

510
00:24:06,281 --> 00:24:09,521
Speaker 1: lot of conjecture in this space that you, know.

511
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,041
Speaker 5: This is why we have things like the free telephone

512
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 5: call or you, know before all the telephone boxes were,

513
00:24:14,681 --> 00:24:16,241
Speaker 5: free you, know there was a day or whatever it

514
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,281
Speaker 5: was a year where people could make phone, calls you,

515
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,721
Speaker 5: know for, nothing and why we have things like leave

516
00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:23,761
Speaker 5: a light, on and you know a number of other,

517
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,561
Speaker 5: things because there is a perception that when people choose to,

518
00:24:28,681 --> 00:24:31,681
Speaker 5: leave which is different from an environment where there's third

519
00:24:31,761 --> 00:24:34,321
Speaker 5: party involvement like there has been in your mum's case

520
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: and many many, others is that it's harder for them

521
00:24:37,921 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 5: to come home and face the conversations of explaining themselves or,

522
00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:44,881
Speaker 5: whatever so it's easier to stay, away AND i suspect

523
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,761
Speaker 5: them in some cases that. Happens i'm not knowingive to

524
00:24:47,801 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 5: the fact that perhaps that's the, case but you, know for,

525
00:24:51,761 --> 00:24:55,001
Speaker 5: ME i think that would happen more often in cases

526
00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:58,321
Speaker 5: where coming home with the family environment is not a

527
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 5: welcoming place to, be where there's issues at, home you,

528
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:05,281
Speaker 5: know whatever they may, be that wasn't this, situation you,

529
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 5: KNOW i can't accept and you, know maybe that's just

530
00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 5: my way of. Coping BUT i can't accept that he

531
00:25:11,041 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 5: made a conscious choice to just stay away, Forever like

532
00:25:15,921 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 5: that's just not the PERSON i.

533
00:25:17,321 --> 00:25:22,681
Speaker 1: Knew, pigetted, sure Proud pigetted absolutely.

534
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 5: At anyear old, boy, Right so that has its. Limitations

535
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 5: it's a big, call isn't. It and from all public,

536
00:25:28,481 --> 00:25:32,041
Speaker 5: records there appears to be very. Little actually there was

537
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,001
Speaker 5: no formal, searching there was no. Reward there's no inquest

538
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 5: on record that we THOUGHT i could find. Anyway and

539
00:25:39,481 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: you stated that none of his mates were interviewed at the,

540
00:25:41,961 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 5: time not That.

541
00:25:42,721 --> 00:25:43,561
Speaker 1: I'm aware, of none of.

542
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,641
Speaker 5: US i certainly wasn't spoken to him to the best

543
00:25:45,681 --> 00:25:48,041
Speaker 5: of my. KNOWLEDGE i, mean the family would have, been

544
00:25:48,281 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 5: and maybe his. Brother But i'm not of any, investigation

545
00:25:51,321 --> 00:25:52,721
Speaker 5: IF i want to use that word at.

546
00:25:52,761 --> 00:25:56,001
Speaker 4: All and you said that missing men appear to be

547
00:25:56,120 --> 00:26:00,721
Speaker 4: a lower. Priority you, know, what in your view were

548
00:26:00,761 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 4: the early investigation.

549
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,721
Speaker 1: GAPS i just don't think there was. One so that's

550
00:26:04,761 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: a a massive.

551
00:26:05,801 --> 00:26:09,281
Speaker 5: GAP i think, again like you've spoken about many, times you,

552
00:26:09,321 --> 00:26:11,641
Speaker 5: know an, assumption and he did leave of his own free,

553
00:26:11,681 --> 00:26:14,241
Speaker 5: will Like i'm not disputing, that BUT i think then

554
00:26:14,321 --> 00:26:17,001
Speaker 5: there has just been an assumption made that he stayed

555
00:26:17,001 --> 00:26:19,521
Speaker 5: away of his own, choice and you, know then he'll

556
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 5: come home when he's. READY i think that was the,

557
00:26:21,481 --> 00:26:23,521
Speaker 5: attitude that he'll come home when he's. Ready and you,

558
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,281
Speaker 5: KNOW i can remember conversations ABOUT i, know, well there's

559
00:26:26,441 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 5: certain things happening in the, Family he'll be home for this,

560
00:26:29,041 --> 00:26:29,961
Speaker 5: Birthday i'll be home for that.

561
00:26:30,041 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Birthday AND i just remember saying he's not coming. Home

562
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,761
Speaker 1: everyone just thought that he would come home.

563
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,241
Speaker 5: Eventually SO i think there was never any focus on

564
00:26:42,321 --> 00:26:43,721
Speaker 5: the fact that maybe something had gone.

565
00:26:43,721 --> 00:26:46,761
Speaker 4: Wrong AND i guess there's an element of hope there

566
00:26:47,201 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 4: too for everybody involved to, go, well you, know we

567
00:26:50,441 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 4: hope he's, okay and we hope that he is, okay

568
00:26:52,521 --> 00:26:54,281
Speaker 4: and maybe it is just his ego and maybe he's

569
00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: just having a moment and he wants to come. Home but,

570
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,921
Speaker 4: sadly we're up to, fourteen five hundred and sixty five

571
00:27:00,041 --> 00:27:03,001
Speaker 4: days now of thinking, that and we have to sort

572
00:27:03,001 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: of be realistic as to the reality of. That and

573
00:27:06,481 --> 00:27:09,961
Speaker 4: there is a chance he could be living somewhere happily

574
00:27:10,481 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: and no one knows about. It but it's good to

575
00:27:13,241 --> 00:27:16,001
Speaker 4: have these, conversations and you, know it just takes a phone,

576
00:27:16,041 --> 00:27:19,321
Speaker 4: call AND i know your position on, this AND i

577
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,241
Speaker 4: probably sit with you just from What i've read and

578
00:27:22,281 --> 00:27:24,321
Speaker 4: What i've looked. At BUT i do understand the hope

579
00:27:24,481 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: and the, like even you're talking about things like leave

580
00:27:26,801 --> 00:27:27,081
Speaker 4: a light.

581
00:27:27,201 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: ON i, remember before we found what we.

582
00:27:30,201 --> 00:27:34,041
Speaker 4: Found with my mom's, case sitting there going what WOULD

583
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: i say to her if she came? Home AND i

584
00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:39,041
Speaker 4: always had this fear if she was alive and, well

585
00:27:39,201 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: like the police were telling us on, repeat and that

586
00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: she chosen to, leave that she would definitely come back

587
00:27:45,201 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: at some, point and she just. Hasn't And i'm not

588
00:27:48,761 --> 00:27:53,561
Speaker 4: close to forty. Years but it's a long ride and it's.

589
00:27:53,481 --> 00:27:54,321
Speaker 1: Hard hard to.

590
00:27:54,441 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: Manage so we Mentioned andrew's car, before AND i did

591
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 4: MENTION i was going to pop photos up for everyone

592
00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:03,681
Speaker 4: to have a look, at BECAUSE i think it's really

593
00:28:03,761 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: the key to this investment. Mitigation do you know if

594
00:28:07,321 --> 00:28:11,641
Speaker 4: the car registration was ever, traced like if there's any

595
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: leads that have emerged from the vehicle's.

596
00:28:14,241 --> 00:28:20,001
Speaker 5: Disappearance so my memory of my understanding was that those

597
00:28:20,321 --> 00:28:23,761
Speaker 5: basic fundamental things were done in terms of checking on

598
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,401
Speaker 5: whether the car was ever transferred the. Registration my understanding

599
00:28:27,481 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 5: is there was nothing. Found, NOW i can't tell you

600
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 5: where my understanding comes. From at some POINT i probably

601
00:28:34,481 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: had a conversation with someone to ask about, that or

602
00:28:37,521 --> 00:28:38,681
Speaker 5: maybe even did my own.

603
00:28:38,721 --> 00:28:39,441
Speaker 1: DIGGING i don't.

604
00:28:39,441 --> 00:28:42,041
Speaker 5: Remember it's a long time, ago but my memory is, that,

605
00:28:42,641 --> 00:28:45,801
Speaker 5: yes there was some basic checks done on the car

606
00:28:46,441 --> 00:28:47,241
Speaker 5: and nothing was ever.

607
00:28:47,321 --> 00:28:49,921
Speaker 4: Found AND i imagine it's quite hard for you, too

608
00:28:50,081 --> 00:28:53,081
Speaker 4: because you're not he's next of. Kin you were a

609
00:28:53,161 --> 00:28:56,801
Speaker 4: girl that he loved and cared for for five years

610
00:28:56,881 --> 00:28:59,281
Speaker 4: on your summer, holidays five weeks of every, year so

611
00:28:59,961 --> 00:29:01,881
Speaker 4: it wasn't like the police were going to tell you.

612
00:29:02,001 --> 00:29:04,961
Speaker 4: ANYTHING i, mean they'd tell me hardly anything a. Daughter

613
00:29:05,561 --> 00:29:07,721
Speaker 4: so it does make it very. Difficult AND i know

614
00:29:07,801 --> 00:29:10,881
Speaker 4: you've got good relationships with his family and you have

615
00:29:11,241 --> 00:29:14,521
Speaker 4: kept those relationships for, years And i'm sure.

616
00:29:14,561 --> 00:29:15,481
Speaker 1: That they've told.

617
00:29:15,561 --> 00:29:18,401
Speaker 4: You that's PROBABLY i would think maybe you've blocked, it

618
00:29:18,561 --> 00:29:20,641
Speaker 4: but maybe they've told you information Or.

619
00:29:21,481 --> 00:29:22,721
Speaker 1: No we've never really had a.

620
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,121
Speaker 5: CONVERSATION i had conversations with his, brother But i've never

621
00:29:25,161 --> 00:29:26,241
Speaker 5: had conversations with his.

622
00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:29,721
Speaker 1: Parents it just never felt like it was something that

623
00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:30,641
Speaker 1: they're going to talk.

624
00:29:30,641 --> 00:29:34,721
Speaker 4: ABOUT i have been working in this particular space of

625
00:29:34,801 --> 00:29:38,121
Speaker 4: identifying vehicles potentially connected to my mum's. Case and it

626
00:29:38,241 --> 00:29:41,081
Speaker 4: is possible if a car is scrapped for, metal that

627
00:29:41,201 --> 00:29:45,241
Speaker 4: records could have been, provided both registration AND vin, numbers

628
00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:48,481
Speaker 4: which is an ENGINE. ID i understand it's probably hard for,

629
00:29:48,561 --> 00:29:51,161
Speaker 4: you like as we just talked, about to Suggest andrew's,

630
00:29:51,201 --> 00:29:52,841
Speaker 4: family BUT i wonder if this is something that they

631
00:29:52,881 --> 00:29:56,001
Speaker 4: would be interested in checking and confirming with, police even

632
00:29:56,481 --> 00:29:59,601
Speaker 4: down this far down the, track because they might have

633
00:29:59,721 --> 00:30:01,761
Speaker 4: done it forty years, ago, yes but have.

634
00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:04,121
Speaker 1: They done it since and is anything popped? Up there

635
00:30:04,161 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: should be a red?

636
00:30:04,761 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: Flag AND i mention it Because andrew's not on, anything

637
00:30:08,681 --> 00:30:11,281
Speaker 4: so no one's. Checking there's NO i, see there's no

638
00:30:11,401 --> 00:30:12,601
Speaker 4: one just keeping tabs on.

639
00:30:12,681 --> 00:30:15,641
Speaker 1: It so that was just my thought of that.

640
00:30:15,761 --> 00:30:19,801
Speaker 4: Moment and another IDEA i wanted to share is. Water

641
00:30:21,121 --> 00:30:23,961
Speaker 4: so one of my guests to The Missing matter Was Jason,

642
00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:27,721
Speaker 4: salisi whose Dad, nicola went missing In tasmania in two

643
00:30:27,761 --> 00:30:31,601
Speaker 4: thousand and eight and he was last seen. Driving And

644
00:30:31,721 --> 00:30:34,961
Speaker 4: nicola was sixty nine years of. Age he just started

645
00:30:35,321 --> 00:30:39,161
Speaker 4: that dementia pathway and the boys were sort of talking

646
00:30:39,241 --> 00:30:42,361
Speaker 4: about what was going to happen with. Dad, next and

647
00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:45,961
Speaker 4: they'd also been talking about his license actually being canceled

648
00:30:46,241 --> 00:30:47,961
Speaker 4: because he was just getting to that point where it

649
00:30:48,041 --> 00:30:50,401
Speaker 4: was becoming a little maybe potentially unsafe for him to.

650
00:30:50,481 --> 00:30:52,481
Speaker 1: Drive jason's been.

651
00:30:52,401 --> 00:30:55,241
Speaker 4: Working tirelessly to find his, dad along with his Brother,

652
00:30:55,361 --> 00:30:58,081
Speaker 4: nick and one of the amazing people that have been

653
00:30:58,161 --> 00:31:00,001
Speaker 4: working with them is down Under.

654
00:31:00,081 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: Dan no one has.

655
00:31:01,081 --> 00:31:03,601
Speaker 4: Dive dan and the boys have been looking at the

656
00:31:03,721 --> 00:31:06,761
Speaker 4: theory That nicola's may have run off the road into

657
00:31:06,801 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: a body of water and using sonar to locate sunken,

658
00:31:10,561 --> 00:31:13,961
Speaker 4: Cars and in actual, fact what we talk about In

659
00:31:14,561 --> 00:31:18,041
Speaker 4: jason's episode is that when they were looking For nicola's,

660
00:31:18,081 --> 00:31:21,001
Speaker 4: car they actually found another car that had a missing

661
00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:24,361
Speaker 4: person connection and he was Still Dale. Nicholson he was

662
00:31:24,401 --> 00:31:27,001
Speaker 4: actually still in the, car and so they were able

663
00:31:27,041 --> 00:31:29,121
Speaker 4: to Bring dale back to his family and bring him.

664
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:31,721
Speaker 4: Home BUT i just got my brain thinking a little.

665
00:31:31,721 --> 00:31:33,921
Speaker 4: Bit And we're also going to put a map up

666
00:31:34,121 --> 00:31:36,841
Speaker 4: of the amber BECAUSE i want people to see what

667
00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:38,761
Speaker 4: this is. Like and it kind of comes home a

668
00:31:38,801 --> 00:31:41,081
Speaker 4: bit to me. Too and a weird THING i haven't

669
00:31:41,081 --> 00:31:44,321
Speaker 4: told you IS i kept having this dream About, mum

670
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,641
Speaker 4: AND i feel weird saying this Because i've talked about dreams,

671
00:31:46,681 --> 00:31:49,401
Speaker 4: before but this is what we. Do our subconscious just

672
00:31:49,521 --> 00:31:53,481
Speaker 4: goes into. Overdrive And, yamber for my mum is in the,

673
00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:56,601
Speaker 4: mix and there's a current of water that's coming in

674
00:31:57,441 --> 00:32:00,441
Speaker 4: from the ocean into sort of like a catchment, area

675
00:32:00,801 --> 00:32:03,561
Speaker 4: And i'm trying to get across. It and my mum

676
00:32:04,121 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: is living in one of the houses, there and her

677
00:32:06,281 --> 00:32:09,761
Speaker 4: Sister braun is living next. Door there's nothing more to the.

678
00:32:09,881 --> 00:32:12,881
Speaker 4: Dream it's just a weird coincidence that it always seems

679
00:32:12,921 --> 00:32:16,201
Speaker 4: to Be. Yamber and that's probably because people have told,

680
00:32:16,321 --> 00:32:18,601
Speaker 4: me like there's been comments. Made Rick blum made a

681
00:32:18,641 --> 00:32:21,761
Speaker 4: comment about By, luca which is all in that sort

682
00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:24,921
Speaker 4: of same neck of the, woods, Right and Then i've

683
00:32:24,961 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: got people messaging me, SAYING i believe your mum's in

684
00:32:27,521 --> 00:32:28,681
Speaker 4: a bit of a car in the.

685
00:32:28,721 --> 00:32:31,121
Speaker 1: Water it's in a body of, water and so your

686
00:32:31,161 --> 00:32:32,601
Speaker 1: brain just goes into. Overdrive.

687
00:32:32,721 --> 00:32:35,361
Speaker 4: Right but looking at the, map AND i want to

688
00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:36,921
Speaker 4: put it up there for everyone to have a little

689
00:32:37,241 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: look at, too BECAUSE i think it just paints a

690
00:32:39,241 --> 00:32:41,081
Speaker 4: picture the coastline there In.

691
00:32:41,201 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: Yamber there's lots of, water like everywhere you, look AND i.

692
00:32:46,001 --> 00:32:48,921
Speaker 4: Wanted to ask in your opinion at that any roads

693
00:32:49,561 --> 00:32:52,721
Speaker 4: that you're aware of around the caravan park or getting

694
00:32:52,841 --> 00:32:56,161
Speaker 4: even back out to the main, highway because what people

695
00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:57,881
Speaker 4: don't probably understand and you will see it on the.

696
00:32:57,921 --> 00:33:00,441
Speaker 4: Map BUT i wanted to ask, you was there any

697
00:33:00,521 --> 00:33:04,121
Speaker 4: bodies of water that you think potentially If andrew was,

698
00:33:04,521 --> 00:33:05,401
Speaker 4: driving he was.

699
00:33:05,401 --> 00:33:06,761
Speaker 1: Going i'm going back, Home i'm going To.

700
00:33:06,801 --> 00:33:10,521
Speaker 4: Sydney would there be somewhere that you think the likes

701
00:33:10,561 --> 00:33:14,761
Speaker 4: of Diver dam could help look or potentially his.

702
00:33:14,961 --> 00:33:19,161
Speaker 5: CAR i think there are any number of places on

703
00:33:19,281 --> 00:33:21,321
Speaker 5: that road where that could have. Happened AND i say

704
00:33:21,361 --> 00:33:23,161
Speaker 5: that because when people look at the, map what they

705
00:33:23,241 --> 00:33:25,681
Speaker 5: will notice which you. Don't you could.

706
00:33:25,601 --> 00:33:29,321
Speaker 1: Drive off the highway To amber at gazillion, times and.

707
00:33:29,361 --> 00:33:31,841
Speaker 5: If you never looked at a map or looked at

708
00:33:31,881 --> 00:33:34,641
Speaker 5: an overhead, picture you would not realize you're driving From

709
00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:38,041
Speaker 5: ireland To ireland To. IRELAND i think The Clarence river

710
00:33:38,121 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 5: has more internal islands than than any other river in

711
00:33:40,521 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: The Southern, hemisphere and so you're actually driving from.

712
00:33:43,841 --> 00:33:45,921
Speaker 1: One island onto another, island onto another.

713
00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:49,401
Speaker 5: Island the road now is still basically right on the

714
00:33:49,481 --> 00:33:52,881
Speaker 5: river and it hasn't changed much in terms of its

715
00:33:52,921 --> 00:33:55,521
Speaker 5: path in that forty, years so there's a couple of

716
00:33:55,641 --> 00:33:56,681
Speaker 5: corners that have probably been.

717
00:33:56,921 --> 00:33:59,401
Speaker 1: Improved and The clarence is a, massive massive.

718
00:33:59,481 --> 00:34:02,481
Speaker 5: River so the answer to that question IS i think

719
00:34:02,481 --> 00:34:05,481
Speaker 5: there's probably numerous places AND i wouldn't even know where to,

720
00:34:05,561 --> 00:34:08,321
Speaker 5: start you. Know and you, know it is something that

721
00:34:08,441 --> 00:34:10,681
Speaker 5: has crossed my, mind and it crossed my mind very

722
00:34:11,001 --> 00:34:14,681
Speaker 5: early on because WHEN i first moved To queensland in

723
00:34:14,761 --> 00:34:17,161
Speaker 5: the late, nineties there was a young woman went missing IN.

724
00:34:17,281 --> 00:34:19,641
Speaker 1: Nusa you, know she was last sight at a nightclub

725
00:34:19,681 --> 00:34:21,441
Speaker 1: In Hastings street and then she never made it.

726
00:34:21,521 --> 00:34:23,361
Speaker 5: HOME i think she was eighteen or. NINETEEN i can't

727
00:34:23,361 --> 00:34:26,081
Speaker 5: remember her, name but her mother was very. Proactive she

728
00:34:26,201 --> 00:34:27,801
Speaker 5: was on the side of milk cartons and all that

729
00:34:27,921 --> 00:34:30,321
Speaker 5: sort of stuff and. FASTWOOD i think probably about three

730
00:34:30,441 --> 00:34:32,801
Speaker 5: years and a man was fishing in The Rouchidor river

731
00:34:33,681 --> 00:34:36,321
Speaker 5: and he pulled up the inside liner of the inside

732
00:34:36,361 --> 00:34:39,321
Speaker 5: of a car and they found her. Daughter but she

733
00:34:39,441 --> 00:34:42,441
Speaker 5: had just turned down a street and didn't realize that

734
00:34:42,481 --> 00:34:44,761
Speaker 5: the street ran straight into the, river and just drove

735
00:34:44,801 --> 00:34:47,161
Speaker 5: herself into the. River you, KNOW i don't know whether

736
00:34:47,321 --> 00:34:51,001
Speaker 5: that scenario had crossed my mind before that particular incident,

737
00:34:51,121 --> 00:34:54,001
Speaker 5: happened which would have BEEN i moved To queensland and ninety,

738
00:34:54,001 --> 00:34:55,601
Speaker 5: five so we're talking about nineteen ninety, eight so we're

739
00:34:55,601 --> 00:34:58,241
Speaker 5: still talking, about you, know a considerable length of time

740
00:34:58,281 --> 00:35:02,641
Speaker 5: After android one, missing over ten. Years but ABSOLUTELY i

741
00:35:02,761 --> 00:35:04,481
Speaker 5: think that's more than.

742
00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,881
Speaker 4: Possible, Yeah and if you think about an ideal missing

743
00:35:07,921 --> 00:35:11,361
Speaker 4: person's investigations, today what do you feel should have happened

744
00:35:11,481 --> 00:35:14,721
Speaker 4: In entry's case that DIDN'T i think.

745
00:35:14,681 --> 00:35:18,721
Speaker 1: That all of those possibilities should have been.

746
00:35:18,761 --> 00:35:23,321
Speaker 5: Explored, obviously if something like that did, happen finding the

747
00:35:23,441 --> 00:35:26,321
Speaker 5: WEAR i would have been far easier in the days

748
00:35:26,401 --> 00:35:26,761
Speaker 5: after he.

749
00:35:26,921 --> 00:35:28,681
Speaker 1: Left any time after you.

750
00:35:28,681 --> 00:35:31,121
Speaker 5: Know maybe there were skid marks on the, road maybe

751
00:35:31,201 --> 00:35:34,601
Speaker 5: there were break marks on grass somewhere on a, bank

752
00:35:34,921 --> 00:35:37,521
Speaker 5: something that might have indicated that there had been some

753
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,321
Speaker 5: sort of on a pole or something.

754
00:35:40,481 --> 00:35:42,921
Speaker 1: Like there could be just some little bit of, information

755
00:35:43,721 --> 00:35:44,401
Speaker 1: but none of that was.

756
00:35:44,481 --> 00:35:46,601
Speaker 5: Done, Right, no not to The, star As i'm, aware

757
00:35:46,681 --> 00:35:50,281
Speaker 5: and just talking to people about not making, assumptions putting

758
00:35:50,441 --> 00:35:53,921
Speaker 5: every possibility on the table and not taking them off

759
00:35:53,961 --> 00:35:57,121
Speaker 5: the table until you've eliminated them as much as.

760
00:35:57,201 --> 00:36:01,161
Speaker 4: Possible, well it's, important, RIGHT i know for my own

761
00:36:01,241 --> 00:36:03,801
Speaker 4: self that you, know the assumptions really give me the

762
00:36:03,841 --> 00:36:07,881
Speaker 4: shit's actually was assuming is what leads us down these

763
00:36:08,001 --> 00:36:11,921
Speaker 4: paths and it's very hard to crawl yourself back out from.

764
00:36:12,001 --> 00:36:15,361
Speaker 4: Those so and, look there was no inquest In andrew's.

765
00:36:15,401 --> 00:36:19,761
Speaker 4: Disappearance there's no reward for. Him do you know of

766
00:36:19,881 --> 00:36:23,721
Speaker 4: any recent developments that you're aware, of like community tips

767
00:36:23,961 --> 00:36:25,001
Speaker 4: or renewed?

768
00:36:25,081 --> 00:36:25,441
Speaker 1: Interest?

769
00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:26,321
Speaker 3: Nothing?

770
00:36:26,801 --> 00:36:31,681
Speaker 4: Nothing, Okay, well given the passage of, Time joe And

771
00:36:31,801 --> 00:36:35,001
Speaker 4: andrew is still. Missing what would you like to see

772
00:36:35,041 --> 00:36:37,841
Speaker 4: happen within The New South Wales police to help bring

773
00:36:37,881 --> 00:36:38,521
Speaker 4: awareness to this?

774
00:36:38,721 --> 00:36:42,521
Speaker 1: Case? Ah, well the passage of time does make it very.

775
00:36:42,801 --> 00:36:45,721
Speaker 5: DIFFICULT i think there's a lot of people that go

776
00:36:46,441 --> 00:36:51,361
Speaker 5: to places Like yamber for holidays that did that, religiously you,

777
00:36:51,441 --> 00:36:55,281
Speaker 5: know for very long periods of. Time you, know did

778
00:36:55,361 --> 00:36:59,121
Speaker 5: somebody see something on the, road did somebody know? Something

779
00:36:59,561 --> 00:37:01,761
Speaker 5: and they're just, because, honestly if they're not aware of

780
00:37:01,801 --> 00:37:03,841
Speaker 5: missing persons, week where.

781
00:37:04,281 --> 00:37:06,201
Speaker 1: Really the only time that this pops its head?

782
00:37:06,281 --> 00:37:08,281
Speaker 5: Up and whether it be on social media or you,

783
00:37:08,361 --> 00:37:10,281
Speaker 5: know in the early, DAYS i THINK i told you

784
00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:12,361
Speaker 5: a story about sitting at work one day reading the

785
00:37:12,601 --> 00:37:15,601
Speaker 5: career mail and flipping the page and seeing that same

786
00:37:15,681 --> 00:37:18,281
Speaker 5: photo that we're looking. At their pop off the, page

787
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:22,361
Speaker 5: AND i then people aren't, aware you, KNOW i live

788
00:37:22,521 --> 00:37:25,441
Speaker 5: very close To, yamber, NOW i grew up very close To,

789
00:37:25,521 --> 00:37:29,521
Speaker 5: Yamber but other than the people that know me, personally

790
00:37:30,561 --> 00:37:32,001
Speaker 5: they're not, aware you.

791
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,881
Speaker 1: Know and generally people aren't, aware you.

792
00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:36,201
Speaker 5: KNOW i did a bit of a search just this

793
00:37:36,361 --> 00:37:40,081
Speaker 5: week to find a list of people missing in The Clarence.

794
00:37:40,201 --> 00:37:42,361
Speaker 5: Valley AND i did that BECAUSE i am going to

795
00:37:42,441 --> 00:37:45,161
Speaker 5: speak to you later about the possibility of maybe getting

796
00:37:45,241 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 5: some green seats going in my, area AND i wanted

797
00:37:48,481 --> 00:37:51,601
Speaker 5: to understand AND i THINK i found. Ten and some

798
00:37:51,761 --> 00:37:56,041
Speaker 5: of those are also quite old. Cases some of them

799
00:37:56,121 --> 00:37:58,841
Speaker 5: are far more, recent you. Know one of them was

800
00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:03,041
Speaker 5: a friend of my sisters who was hitchhiking in nineteen seventy, Six.

801
00:38:02,921 --> 00:38:05,961
Speaker 1: I'm going to, say and did arrive at her destination

802
00:38:06,161 --> 00:38:06,881
Speaker 1: and it's never been.

803
00:38:06,961 --> 00:38:12,041
Speaker 5: Found SO i think it's very, difficult particularly where there's

804
00:38:12,721 --> 00:38:16,241
Speaker 5: not really any indication of a criminal, intent you, know

805
00:38:16,681 --> 00:38:19,401
Speaker 5: because it's hard enough for those of you in that

806
00:38:19,521 --> 00:38:24,721
Speaker 5: space to get police resourcing for people missing where everything

807
00:38:25,641 --> 00:38:28,761
Speaker 5: just to misadventure or. CHOICE i THINK i think it's

808
00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,281
Speaker 5: definitely it's a very difficult thing to get any sort

809
00:38:32,321 --> 00:38:34,801
Speaker 5: of focus. ON i think all that can happen is,

810
00:38:34,841 --> 00:38:37,921
Speaker 5: that you, KNOW i think, if particularly in regional areas Of,

811
00:38:37,921 --> 00:38:40,481
Speaker 5: australia if when we at least got To Missing Persons,

812
00:38:40,641 --> 00:38:45,721
Speaker 5: week the local police forces maybe did something more proactive

813
00:38:45,761 --> 00:38:49,481
Speaker 5: in their various regions to promote, it you, know local shopping.

814
00:38:49,561 --> 00:38:52,721
Speaker 5: CENTERS i don't know, what but, something you, know to

815
00:38:52,761 --> 00:38:55,641
Speaker 5: bring awareness to the communities and where these people have gone.

816
00:38:55,721 --> 00:38:59,321
Speaker 4: Missing that's why the green seat came about in my,

817
00:38:59,481 --> 00:39:02,841
Speaker 4: mind because we do have THE qr code. There you,

818
00:39:02,921 --> 00:39:05,801
Speaker 4: know what we're trying to put together is on THAT qr,

819
00:39:05,881 --> 00:39:07,801
Speaker 4: code people will scan it and will take them to

820
00:39:07,841 --> 00:39:11,001
Speaker 4: the website and they will see similar images to what

821
00:39:11,081 --> 00:39:14,761
Speaker 4: we've got here With andrew's, face how many days he's been,

822
00:39:14,801 --> 00:39:17,721
Speaker 4: missing and it does have the generic poster in.

823
00:39:17,801 --> 00:39:19,761
Speaker 1: There and we're working on this at the. Moment it's

824
00:39:19,761 --> 00:39:20,321
Speaker 1: still a work in.

825
00:39:20,441 --> 00:39:23,481
Speaker 4: Progress but you, Know i've suggested to the boys who

826
00:39:23,521 --> 00:39:26,161
Speaker 4: are helping me to put THESE qr codes and the

827
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:30,041
Speaker 4: website in a different. Place is THAT i always ask

828
00:39:30,121 --> 00:39:32,561
Speaker 4: at the end of every episode wide As andrew, matter

829
00:39:33,161 --> 00:39:36,441
Speaker 4: AND i want to put those voices over the picture

830
00:39:36,561 --> 00:39:39,201
Speaker 4: so when someone's sitting on that bench and they scan

831
00:39:39,321 --> 00:39:41,961
Speaker 4: THE qr, code they're not just Seeing andrew that he

832
00:39:42,121 --> 00:39:44,961
Speaker 4: was six foot one and had blue. Eyes we are

833
00:39:45,041 --> 00:39:48,441
Speaker 4: Bringing andrew back to being a. Person he's not just a,

834
00:39:48,561 --> 00:39:52,921
Speaker 4: poster just another, statistic another, number but he's actually someone who.

835
00:39:53,081 --> 00:39:56,121
Speaker 4: Matters and you, know you've been very kind to share

836
00:39:56,601 --> 00:40:00,801
Speaker 4: with me how for many years you've spent wondering trying,

837
00:40:00,841 --> 00:40:02,641
Speaker 4: to you, know work out whether you could afford to

838
00:40:02,681 --> 00:40:06,201
Speaker 4: get A, pi or trying to and what to say

839
00:40:06,321 --> 00:40:08,041
Speaker 4: To andrew if he rocked up at your front.

840
00:40:08,081 --> 00:40:10,161
Speaker 1: Door and that's a very powerful image of.

841
00:40:10,281 --> 00:40:13,521
Speaker 4: Waiting how would you describe what that waiting did to

842
00:40:13,641 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: you emotionally and. MENTALLY i, think particularly for the first,

843
00:40:19,401 --> 00:40:23,561
Speaker 4: decade ten, years you, know through my, TWENTIES i think

844
00:40:23,601 --> 00:40:27,161
Speaker 4: you live with a sense of just waiting for something to.

845
00:40:27,281 --> 00:40:29,881
Speaker 4: Happen so you're on you're almost on a high, alert,

846
00:40:30,561 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: constantly constantly, looking constantly. Something if something happens that you don't,

847
00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:38,481
Speaker 4: expect you, know if there's a knock on the door

848
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:40,761
Speaker 4: that you don't, expect if there's a phone call you don't,

849
00:40:40,801 --> 00:40:42,801
Speaker 4: expect you'll know, This.

850
00:40:42,961 --> 00:40:43,921
Speaker 1: Sally you, know every.

851
00:40:43,801 --> 00:40:46,601
Speaker 5: Time there's a report comes over the news that a

852
00:40:46,841 --> 00:40:49,721
Speaker 5: body's been found. Somewhere you, know it doesn't even matter

853
00:40:49,761 --> 00:40:52,481
Speaker 5: if it's a place where you didn't anticipate it might

854
00:40:52,641 --> 00:40:54,081
Speaker 5: even be, Possible it doesn't.

855
00:40:54,161 --> 00:40:56,601
Speaker 1: Matter still has an, Effect it still has an, effect you.

856
00:40:56,641 --> 00:41:00,041
Speaker 5: Know you, know then you're scanning because often those reports

857
00:41:00,081 --> 00:41:02,321
Speaker 5: will come on to the news and then you don't

858
00:41:02,361 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: hear anything more about, it and so then you find

859
00:41:04,041 --> 00:41:08,161
Speaker 5: yourself to find what the result, was because you know

860
00:41:09,521 --> 00:41:11,321
Speaker 5: the next news thing has come along and they'd lost.

861
00:41:11,361 --> 00:41:13,641
Speaker 1: Interest it's hard to you, know.

862
00:41:13,921 --> 00:41:16,481
Speaker 5: None of us know how differently we would have led

863
00:41:16,521 --> 00:41:18,921
Speaker 5: our lives without the experiences we, have you, know AND

864
00:41:19,081 --> 00:41:23,041
Speaker 5: i know that that JUST i found that really really

865
00:41:23,121 --> 00:41:28,121
Speaker 5: hard because the thought of losing someone else probably led

866
00:41:28,121 --> 00:41:31,121
Speaker 5: to me tolerating behavior THAT i shouldn't have, tolerated because

867
00:41:31,201 --> 00:41:34,881
Speaker 5: that to consider that someone else could leave me in

868
00:41:35,001 --> 00:41:37,041
Speaker 5: that WAY i couldn't come to terms.

869
00:41:37,081 --> 00:41:40,201
Speaker 4: With AND i, mean you've shared with me too very,

870
00:41:40,521 --> 00:41:43,721
Speaker 4: privately you've never been, married and you've never been in

871
00:41:43,761 --> 00:41:47,361
Speaker 4: a long term, relationship and that you've quite often wondered

872
00:41:47,441 --> 00:41:51,561
Speaker 4: if that has something to do With andrew's. Disappearance Potentially

873
00:41:53,041 --> 00:41:53,441
Speaker 4: i've not been.

874
00:41:53,521 --> 00:41:55,281
Speaker 5: Unhappy don't get me, WRONG i Being i've led a

875
00:41:55,401 --> 00:41:57,561
Speaker 5: very full life And i've been very lucky to do

876
00:41:57,761 --> 00:42:00,081
Speaker 5: many many things That i've wanted to. Do so this

877
00:42:00,281 --> 00:42:03,281
Speaker 5: is NOT i don't want people To this is not about,

878
00:42:03,321 --> 00:42:05,961
Speaker 5: pity this and something about any of those.

879
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:09,361
Speaker 4: Things AND i, agree AND i think that's important to say.

880
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:12,481
Speaker 4: Too AND i know that you were very worried about

881
00:42:12,561 --> 00:42:15,721
Speaker 4: that coming across in this, chat BUT i think people

882
00:42:16,201 --> 00:42:19,201
Speaker 4: will completely understand, that you, know there's that element of

883
00:42:20,241 --> 00:42:23,921
Speaker 4: worrying about being left again and they're not knowing it's

884
00:42:24,201 --> 00:42:27,041
Speaker 4: it is very difficult to. Manage and you, know you

885
00:42:27,241 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: talk to me about a time about six years After

886
00:42:30,521 --> 00:42:33,721
Speaker 4: andrew's disappearance when you and your older sister were up In, DARWIN.

887
00:42:33,921 --> 00:42:35,921
Speaker 4: Yep and your sister, went oh my, GOD i think

888
00:42:35,961 --> 00:42:38,321
Speaker 4: there's that, guy the redhead, guy.

889
00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:42,521
Speaker 1: And you just went into complete panic. Mode tell us about. That,

890
00:42:43,161 --> 00:42:44,761
Speaker 1: yeah so we're on a. Holiday we were in a

891
00:42:44,841 --> 00:42:46,681
Speaker 1: camp e van with two of her kids and we're.

892
00:42:46,761 --> 00:42:49,201
Speaker 1: Driven we'd flown Into alice and we're driven To. Darwin

893
00:42:49,241 --> 00:42:52,201
Speaker 1: we're in a caravan park just outside Of, darwin and

894
00:42:52,321 --> 00:42:52,801
Speaker 1: she came back to.

895
00:42:52,921 --> 00:42:54,681
Speaker 5: IT i just saw that that bloke that blow From

896
00:42:54,681 --> 00:42:56,041
Speaker 5: Amber AND i, said what are you talking? About you,

897
00:42:56,081 --> 00:42:58,041
Speaker 5: said you know that read had a bloke AND i just.

898
00:42:58,161 --> 00:42:59,761
Speaker 5: LOOKED i just remember looking how to go on?

899
00:42:59,841 --> 00:43:03,401
Speaker 1: What AND i can just remember my heart pounding and

900
00:43:04,001 --> 00:43:06,681
Speaker 1: my hands starting to sweat. It AND i, said where

901
00:43:06,681 --> 00:43:08,561
Speaker 1: ARE i? Should you, know just walking? Around AND i

902
00:43:08,681 --> 00:43:11,241
Speaker 1: just looked at it AND i, said are you for?

903
00:43:11,681 --> 00:43:15,361
Speaker 1: REALLY i, said where are you? GOING i, Said i'm

904
00:43:15,401 --> 00:43:18,721
Speaker 1: going to. LOOK i, said we. Can't we're going nowhere

905
00:43:19,201 --> 00:43:21,321
Speaker 1: UNTIL i have seen the person THAT i think you.

906
00:43:21,441 --> 00:43:22,521
Speaker 3: Saw and SO i.

907
00:43:22,561 --> 00:43:25,081
Speaker 5: DID i JUST i just walked AND i did eventually

908
00:43:25,241 --> 00:43:29,001
Speaker 5: see somebody WHO i suspect was who she saw and

909
00:43:29,121 --> 00:43:32,521
Speaker 5: it Wasn't. Andrew BUT i think that's an example of

910
00:43:32,961 --> 00:43:35,681
Speaker 5: if you're not in this, space you really just don't get.

911
00:43:35,721 --> 00:43:37,721
Speaker 5: It and you, know and that's the same with everything you.

912
00:43:37,761 --> 00:43:41,201
Speaker 5: Know if you've never had to watch someone you know

913
00:43:41,521 --> 00:43:44,201
Speaker 5: die from cancer or, illness.

914
00:43:43,921 --> 00:43:46,601
Speaker 1: Then you don't get that. Either if you've never lost a,

915
00:43:46,721 --> 00:43:48,281
Speaker 1: CHILD i suspect you don't get you.

916
00:43:48,321 --> 00:43:51,361
Speaker 5: Know we, all you, know lived experience in all sorts

917
00:43:51,401 --> 00:43:53,641
Speaker 5: of things is what gives us the ability to empathize

918
00:43:53,681 --> 00:43:54,801
Speaker 5: with other people in the same.

919
00:43:54,881 --> 00:43:59,161
Speaker 4: Space and you know there's that element where there's a brief, hope,

920
00:43:59,761 --> 00:44:02,601
Speaker 4: right and then the reality is that in this, case

921
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:03,041
Speaker 4: it wasn't.

922
00:44:03,121 --> 00:44:06,881
Speaker 1: Him what do you think that kind of experienced us

923
00:44:06,921 --> 00:44:10,721
Speaker 1: to someone's mental? Health, WELL i SUPPOSE i.

924
00:44:10,761 --> 00:44:13,361
Speaker 5: Remember, that AND i remember seeing the article in the career,

925
00:44:13,441 --> 00:44:15,521
Speaker 5: mail which was you, know years later than. That and

926
00:44:15,561 --> 00:44:20,121
Speaker 5: again remember both of those particular scenarios vividly because of

927
00:44:20,281 --> 00:44:24,761
Speaker 5: the visceral response THAT i had to, it WHICH i

928
00:44:24,881 --> 00:44:28,601
Speaker 5: suppose just told me how as much AS i THOUGHT

929
00:44:28,681 --> 00:44:32,041
Speaker 5: i had to some extent moved on that it was

930
00:44:32,201 --> 00:44:37,081
Speaker 5: just sitting, there bubbling under the. Surface and so what

931
00:44:37,161 --> 00:44:39,521
Speaker 5: does it do to your mental? HEALTH i just think

932
00:44:39,561 --> 00:44:42,961
Speaker 5: it drags you back to those, places back to that,

933
00:44:43,081 --> 00:44:45,961
Speaker 5: trauma back to those very difficult. Days and not that

934
00:44:46,561 --> 00:44:51,201
Speaker 5: any of the days are, easy but you, know, TIME

935
00:44:51,961 --> 00:44:53,401
Speaker 5: i don't even know what the right word. Is i'm

936
00:44:53,441 --> 00:44:55,401
Speaker 5: going to say time, helps but that's not WHAT i

937
00:44:55,481 --> 00:44:55,681
Speaker 5: want to.

938
00:44:55,681 --> 00:44:55,841
Speaker 2: Say.

939
00:44:55,881 --> 00:44:58,121
Speaker 1: Either it's not good for your mental.

940
00:44:58,241 --> 00:45:01,921
Speaker 5: Health but in saying, that you, know it's human, nature,

941
00:45:02,001 --> 00:45:04,161
Speaker 5: right we don't, forget and either we should AND i

942
00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:06,001
Speaker 5: don't want to, forget AND i don't want him to be.

943
00:45:06,081 --> 00:45:09,961
Speaker 4: Forgotten another very personal moment for, You, joe can you

944
00:45:10,081 --> 00:45:13,161
Speaker 4: share with us about the letters and the cards That

945
00:45:13,281 --> 00:45:14,001
Speaker 4: andrew had given?

946
00:45:14,081 --> 00:45:18,521
Speaker 5: You, yeah, SO i always there was always a birthday,

947
00:45:18,561 --> 00:45:21,761
Speaker 5: Card there was always A valentine's. CARD i grew up

948
00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:25,681
Speaker 5: in a house immediately opposite my high, school literally across the.

949
00:45:25,721 --> 00:45:27,841
Speaker 5: Street they see it in trouble IF i was home,

950
00:45:27,921 --> 00:45:29,281
Speaker 5: late because my mother used to say to, me it

951
00:45:29,321 --> 00:45:32,281
Speaker 5: doesn't take fifteen minutes across the, street that's how CLOSE i.

952
00:45:32,481 --> 00:45:36,321
Speaker 5: Was SO i would race, home you, know in between

953
00:45:36,481 --> 00:45:39,041
Speaker 5: periods at school to get to the mailbox at that,

954
00:45:39,201 --> 00:45:41,841
Speaker 5: time those two times of, year to get to those

955
00:45:41,921 --> 00:45:47,321
Speaker 5: cards before my parents did you. Know The valentine's cards

956
00:45:47,321 --> 00:45:51,761
Speaker 5: always had little poems written in, them and they were

957
00:45:51,801 --> 00:45:52,921
Speaker 5: that connection that we had through the.

958
00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:53,361
Speaker 1: Year you.

959
00:45:53,441 --> 00:45:56,321
Speaker 5: Know it was evidence to me that this wasn't just

960
00:45:56,641 --> 00:46:00,121
Speaker 5: about four weeks In december And, january even though that's

961
00:46:00,121 --> 00:46:02,281
Speaker 5: what it was in a pragmatic, sense that's not what it.

962
00:46:02,441 --> 00:46:05,961
Speaker 1: Was it was far more than. That tell us what

963
00:46:06,121 --> 00:46:07,001
Speaker 1: you did with those.

964
00:46:07,201 --> 00:46:12,441
Speaker 5: Cards so probably about ten years After i'm going to

965
00:46:12,441 --> 00:46:14,081
Speaker 5: say it was about ten, years might have been fractionally.

966
00:46:14,161 --> 00:46:18,561
Speaker 5: LONGER i did meet another person who was the first

967
00:46:18,641 --> 00:46:21,121
Speaker 5: PERSON i had met. THAT i thought that If andrew

968
00:46:21,161 --> 00:46:24,041
Speaker 5: turned up on my, DOOR i wouldn't just walk away

969
00:46:24,201 --> 00:46:27,841
Speaker 5: from that other, environment even though that wasn't a particularly

970
00:46:27,881 --> 00:46:30,321
Speaker 5: healthy one. Either but it's a different. Story AND i

971
00:46:30,441 --> 00:46:33,161
Speaker 5: SUPPOSE i got to a point WHERE i felt the need,

972
00:46:33,601 --> 00:46:43,801
Speaker 5: to with a lack of memorial inquest, anything have my own.

973
00:46:45,161 --> 00:46:47,281
Speaker 1: Memorial for one of a better, DESCRIPTION i.

974
00:46:47,361 --> 00:46:50,401
Speaker 5: Suppose so you, KNOW i got those cards and some,

975
00:46:50,521 --> 00:46:53,361
Speaker 5: photos AND i went and bought a metal bucket and

976
00:46:53,881 --> 00:46:55,801
Speaker 5: one of my best, friends who had spent some of

977
00:46:55,841 --> 00:46:58,641
Speaker 5: That christmas holidays with, me one of my, schoolmates came

978
00:46:58,721 --> 00:47:01,401
Speaker 5: with me and we went out To angary AND i

979
00:47:01,521 --> 00:47:03,601
Speaker 5: put those things in that bucket AND i lit them,

980
00:47:03,681 --> 00:47:06,521
Speaker 5: up and THEN i those ashes over the over the

981
00:47:06,561 --> 00:47:08,761
Speaker 5: ocean And garry at a spot THAT i considered to

982
00:47:08,801 --> 00:47:11,641
Speaker 5: be our spot with some. Flowers and that was that

983
00:47:11,801 --> 00:47:18,881
Speaker 5: was my, ATTEMPT i suppose at saying. Goodbye, yeah, yeah startbreaking.

984
00:47:20,001 --> 00:47:23,321
Speaker 4: AND i you, know IT'S i guess it's like a

985
00:47:23,401 --> 00:47:26,841
Speaker 4: reclaiming of yourself and trying to let go a little. Bit,

986
00:47:27,241 --> 00:47:29,401
Speaker 4: yeah and you're still so, Young, YEAH i was still

987
00:47:29,401 --> 00:47:31,681
Speaker 4: in my twenties at that. Pink that's such such a

988
00:47:31,801 --> 00:47:34,321
Speaker 4: lot to. Carry, Yeah so you KNOW i feel for,

989
00:47:34,441 --> 00:47:38,401
Speaker 4: YOU i really, do AND i Mean, CHRISTMAS i Mean

990
00:47:39,841 --> 00:47:42,361
Speaker 4: Christmas is and, birthdays, right that's always the big. Ones

991
00:47:42,441 --> 00:47:44,801
Speaker 4: and the fact that he's gone missing At christmas you've

992
00:47:44,921 --> 00:47:47,121
Speaker 4: you've sort of said to, me you, know they're hard

993
00:47:47,281 --> 00:47:49,721
Speaker 4: times for. You so how do you navigate the holiday

994
00:47:49,761 --> 00:47:52,481
Speaker 4: season and anniversaries and remind?

995
00:47:52,601 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: Us, NOW.

996
00:47:54,521 --> 00:47:56,241
Speaker 5: I, think like most of, us you, know you just

997
00:47:56,321 --> 00:47:57,641
Speaker 5: have to put one foot in front of the. Other

998
00:47:57,681 --> 00:48:01,481
Speaker 5: if you're not going, forwards you're going. Backwards so you,

999
00:48:01,561 --> 00:48:06,401
Speaker 5: KNOW i try to focus on on what's in front of, Me, like, Yeah,

1000
00:48:06,481 --> 00:48:08,321
Speaker 5: CHRISTMAS i have always struggled With.

1001
00:48:08,401 --> 00:48:11,921
Speaker 1: Christmas SO i just try and keep busy and do

1002
00:48:12,121 --> 00:48:12,761
Speaker 1: things and get.

1003
00:48:12,921 --> 00:48:16,681
Speaker 5: Organized and you, KNOW i don't very often venture To amber,

1004
00:48:16,721 --> 00:48:19,161
Speaker 5: anymore even Though i'm not that far. AWAY i have

1005
00:48:19,281 --> 00:48:21,201
Speaker 5: it in my mind that this year On Boxing, DAY

1006
00:48:21,361 --> 00:48:26,681
Speaker 5: i might go when it's forty years this, Year BUT i,

1007
00:48:26,761 --> 00:48:28,921
Speaker 5: THINK i, just, YEAH i focused on the.

1008
00:48:29,281 --> 00:48:33,481
Speaker 4: NOW i JUST i just important and healthy for our, brains,

1009
00:48:33,601 --> 00:48:35,801
Speaker 4: right focus on the, now because you can't live in

1010
00:48:35,881 --> 00:48:39,201
Speaker 4: that space nice or eat your life for. Breakfast so

1011
00:48:40,001 --> 00:48:42,241
Speaker 4: you KNOW i stand with you, too and you know

1012
00:48:42,521 --> 00:48:46,481
Speaker 4: it's it is an important journey for us to.

1013
00:48:46,641 --> 00:48:49,281
Speaker 1: Heal you, know that's part of the. Healing and you,

1014
00:48:49,361 --> 00:48:51,801
Speaker 1: KNOW i think what you've done.

1015
00:48:51,841 --> 00:48:53,561
Speaker 4: Is something similar to WHAT i have done in the

1016
00:48:53,641 --> 00:48:55,921
Speaker 4: past as, well just with letting go of a few

1017
00:48:56,001 --> 00:48:59,401
Speaker 4: things that you just need to move forward and it's.

1018
00:48:59,481 --> 00:49:03,841
Speaker 1: Difficult Nicole morris does a fabulous.

1019
00:49:03,961 --> 00:49:07,441
Speaker 4: Job she runs A facebook page Called Austray Missing Person's

1020
00:49:07,481 --> 00:49:11,681
Speaker 4: register and she ensures every year That andrew is featured on.

1021
00:49:11,761 --> 00:49:14,401
Speaker 4: There so shout out to, You, nick she KNOWS i love.

1022
00:49:14,441 --> 00:49:16,841
Speaker 4: Her everybody THAT i know in the missing space who

1023
00:49:16,921 --> 00:49:19,041
Speaker 4: does something In Missing Person's, week they come out the

1024
00:49:19,081 --> 00:49:22,081
Speaker 4: other end and they're absolutely shattered because it's such a,

1025
00:49:22,241 --> 00:49:26,881
Speaker 4: draining hard week to pull, through and when you're doing

1026
00:49:27,001 --> 00:49:32,441
Speaker 4: the stories on, repeat it's very very. Challenging so kudos to,

1027
00:49:32,481 --> 00:49:36,561
Speaker 4: You nick for doing that and Keeping andrew. Present so

1028
00:49:36,721 --> 00:49:41,561
Speaker 4: Today andrew's case remains. Unsolved when you first opened up

1029
00:49:41,561 --> 00:49:43,481
Speaker 4: to me About, andrew you were very clear about the

1030
00:49:43,561 --> 00:49:47,081
Speaker 4: fact that you Aren't andrew's, family but you are someone

1031
00:49:47,161 --> 00:49:49,721
Speaker 4: that loved and cared for, him someone that you still

1032
00:49:49,761 --> 00:49:53,761
Speaker 4: hold very close even after forty, years and that for

1033
00:49:53,841 --> 00:49:57,201
Speaker 4: you coming on the missing matter and sharing your personal

1034
00:49:57,281 --> 00:50:01,561
Speaker 4: journey living with someone a loved one is about bringing

1035
00:50:01,601 --> 00:50:05,201
Speaker 4: awareness to the broader public and about the impact to

1036
00:50:05,281 --> 00:50:10,121
Speaker 4: our community regarding missing. People what do you hope our listeners.

1037
00:50:09,761 --> 00:50:13,161
Speaker 1: Will understand when they hear your story that it is

1038
00:50:13,241 --> 00:50:15,001
Speaker 1: always broader than the.

1039
00:50:15,121 --> 00:50:19,921
Speaker 5: FAMILY i think it touches anybody that knew somebody and

1040
00:50:20,201 --> 00:50:23,641
Speaker 5: how it impacts and touches, them and is obviously very.

1041
00:50:23,681 --> 00:50:28,281
Speaker 5: Individual but mostly in this, SPACE i hear and see

1042
00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:31,801
Speaker 5: stories about the family and from the, family and that's

1043
00:50:31,801 --> 00:50:33,521
Speaker 5: absolutely as it should.

1044
00:50:33,561 --> 00:50:36,801
Speaker 1: Be but it's such a bigger space.

1045
00:50:36,561 --> 00:50:39,641
Speaker 5: Than, that AND i think when you're not, family you're

1046
00:50:39,681 --> 00:50:43,401
Speaker 5: not necessarily privy to a lot of. Information it can

1047
00:50:43,441 --> 00:50:46,041
Speaker 5: be very difficult to know how to navigate that space

1048
00:50:46,121 --> 00:50:50,961
Speaker 5: when you're not necessarily included in the decision. Making for,

1049
00:50:51,081 --> 00:50:53,241
Speaker 5: me it's almost Like i'm watching a movie on the

1050
00:50:53,321 --> 00:50:54,641
Speaker 5: outside looking, in but.

1051
00:50:54,681 --> 00:50:57,801
Speaker 1: You're actually part of that part of that. Picture you,

1052
00:50:57,881 --> 00:50:59,001
Speaker 1: know we all do when we lose.

1053
00:50:59,041 --> 00:51:01,761
Speaker 5: Someone And i've lost both my parents and my, brother

1054
00:51:01,881 --> 00:51:04,841
Speaker 5: SO i you, KNOW i understand that space. Too you,

1055
00:51:04,881 --> 00:51:07,401
Speaker 5: know people aren't really sure how to speak to you

1056
00:51:08,041 --> 00:51:10,321
Speaker 5: and what to say and what not to, say and

1057
00:51:10,441 --> 00:51:13,161
Speaker 5: some people, will you, know and then they'll get to

1058
00:51:13,241 --> 00:51:16,521
Speaker 5: a period of time after someone has passed and they stop.

1059
00:51:16,561 --> 00:51:21,161
Speaker 5: Asking in this, space people are even less sure of

1060
00:51:21,281 --> 00:51:23,481
Speaker 5: how to speak to you about, it so they typically don't.

1061
00:51:24,361 --> 00:51:27,241
Speaker 4: You, Know i've said it many times, before just coming

1062
00:51:27,321 --> 00:51:29,441
Speaker 4: up and giving you a. HUG i want to let

1063
00:51:29,481 --> 00:51:32,601
Speaker 4: people know who are listening to these podcasts and taking

1064
00:51:32,721 --> 00:51:35,401
Speaker 4: time to listen to these. Podcasts and one thing that

1065
00:51:35,841 --> 00:51:37,881
Speaker 4: some of you might not know about is that when

1066
00:51:38,041 --> 00:51:41,641
Speaker 4: you're looking at statistics on a, podcast some people will

1067
00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:43,401
Speaker 4: come onto a podcast And i'll listen for ten, minutes

1068
00:51:43,401 --> 00:51:46,081
Speaker 4: then they jump off the missing that of. Podcast we

1069
00:51:46,241 --> 00:51:49,481
Speaker 4: have a very high level of people listening to the

1070
00:51:49,761 --> 00:51:53,081
Speaker 4: entire podcast in its, entirety which is important right because

1071
00:51:53,121 --> 00:51:55,081
Speaker 4: the whole story needs to be, told but it's just

1072
00:51:55,201 --> 00:51:57,601
Speaker 4: showing that there is a genuine. Interest we're nearly up

1073
00:51:57,641 --> 00:52:00,681
Speaker 4: to seven hundred k followers and downloads of the, podcast

1074
00:52:00,761 --> 00:52:03,761
Speaker 4: which just means that more people are hearing. It more

1075
00:52:03,761 --> 00:52:06,481
Speaker 4: people are, listening and when you are, LISTENING i want

1076
00:52:06,521 --> 00:52:08,481
Speaker 4: you to know it's okay just to ask your friends

1077
00:52:08,561 --> 00:52:10,881
Speaker 4: if you have someone in this, space if they're a

1078
00:52:10,961 --> 00:52:14,121
Speaker 4: family member or you know a, partner or you know

1079
00:52:14,201 --> 00:52:17,001
Speaker 4: they've known someone who's been. Missing it's okay to just

1080
00:52:17,121 --> 00:52:19,121
Speaker 4: say are you? Okay do you want to talk about?

1081
00:52:19,161 --> 00:52:21,681
Speaker 4: It because sometimes we need to talk about it just

1082
00:52:21,721 --> 00:52:24,721
Speaker 4: to get it off our. Chest sometimes we just need a,

1083
00:52:24,801 --> 00:52:26,921
Speaker 4: hug and sometimes we might just, go you know, WHAT

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00:52:27,001 --> 00:52:28,521
Speaker 4: i don't want to talk about it, today BUT i

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00:52:28,601 --> 00:52:29,321
Speaker 4: might want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow. Yeah, Absolutely so in helping raise awareness For andrew's,

1087
00:52:33,241 --> 00:52:35,361
Speaker 1: disappearance what do you hope happens?

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00:52:35,441 --> 00:52:39,201
Speaker 5: Next AS i, SAID i think there is a distinct

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00:52:39,281 --> 00:52:43,881
Speaker 5: lack of, awareness particularly in Regional. Australia there's a distinct

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00:52:43,961 --> 00:52:47,761
Speaker 5: lack of awareness in my home area of the people

1091
00:52:47,921 --> 00:52:51,161
Speaker 5: that have gone missing in our, area and even people

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00:52:51,241 --> 00:52:52,721
Speaker 5: that have had farm or media.

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00:52:52,761 --> 00:52:54,921
Speaker 1: Coverage And i'll use your mum as a perfect.

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00:52:54,961 --> 00:52:57,081
Speaker 5: Example so you, KNOW i drive out of town and

1095
00:52:57,121 --> 00:53:00,001
Speaker 5: there's a, billboard you, know with your mum's picture and

1096
00:53:00,761 --> 00:53:01,721
Speaker 5: the initial.

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00:53:01,401 --> 00:53:03,881
Speaker 1: REWARD i think. Fifty.

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00:53:04,041 --> 00:53:06,321
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you, KNOW i speak to a lot of

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00:53:06,401 --> 00:53:08,801
Speaker 5: people who live in my hometown who would drive past

1100
00:53:08,881 --> 00:53:12,721
Speaker 5: that soone on a regular basis and have never actually seen.

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00:53:12,521 --> 00:53:14,321
Speaker 1: It even though they've seen. It they might have seen,

1102
00:53:14,361 --> 00:53:15,681
Speaker 1: it but they haven't seen, it if that makes.

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00:53:15,721 --> 00:53:19,041
Speaker 5: Sense interestingly, enough WHEN i was speaking to SOMEONE i

1104
00:53:19,201 --> 00:53:22,401
Speaker 5: work with a couple of weeks ago about the possibility

1105
00:53:22,801 --> 00:53:25,481
Speaker 5: of getting involved with the green seat. Projects she was

1106
00:53:25,521 --> 00:53:29,961
Speaker 5: aware she'd seen. It so that's that's important for you,

1107
00:53:30,041 --> 00:53:33,641
Speaker 5: know what might happen going. FORWARD i would just like

1108
00:53:33,801 --> 00:53:38,041
Speaker 5: to see more awareness tools used.

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00:53:37,921 --> 00:53:40,561
Speaker 1: In, areas particularly in the regional.

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Speaker 5: Areas you, KNOW i think the police resourcing in Regional

1111
00:53:43,401 --> 00:53:46,041
Speaker 5: australia is poorer than it is in the. CITY i

1112
00:53:46,161 --> 00:53:49,121
Speaker 5: think perhaps in some, RESPECTS i think the quality of

1113
00:53:49,721 --> 00:53:52,921
Speaker 5: sadly of. Policing you, Know i've only listen to your mum's,

1114
00:53:52,961 --> 00:53:55,721
Speaker 5: case who only listened to Bromwin winfield's case to know,

1115
00:53:55,881 --> 00:53:59,281
Speaker 5: that you, know there's been some pretty ordinary outcomes on

1116
00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:02,401
Speaker 5: The North. Coast SO i think it's just about finding

1117
00:54:02,481 --> 00:54:06,401
Speaker 5: a way to put these faces front.

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00:54:06,121 --> 00:54:11,641
Speaker 1: Of mind to more. People and you, know that's that's

1119
00:54:11,801 --> 00:54:12,921
Speaker 1: that's a, start you.

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00:54:13,001 --> 00:54:16,281
Speaker 5: KNOW i, think for given the length of time for

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00:54:16,441 --> 00:54:18,721
Speaker 5: me and For andrew in this, space that a different

1122
00:54:18,761 --> 00:54:23,761
Speaker 5: outcome is. UNLIKELY i DON'T i don't expect. THAT i

1123
00:54:23,841 --> 00:54:26,961
Speaker 5: don't anticipate, That but that doesn't mean that we can't

1124
00:54:27,721 --> 00:54:30,841
Speaker 5: make a different experience for someone else in the, future

1125
00:54:31,001 --> 00:54:33,681
Speaker 5: or someone that has this in a far more recent.

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Speaker 4: Environment so, Finally, joe If andrew could hear this, podcast

1127
00:54:38,921 --> 00:54:41,721
Speaker 4: what would you hope that he would understand about how.

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Speaker 1: You honor, him how you remember, him and how you

1129
00:54:46,001 --> 00:54:49,281
Speaker 1: live with his absence still. PRESENT i would want him

1130
00:54:49,321 --> 00:54:52,561
Speaker 1: to know that he's not being, forgotten that that.

1131
00:54:54,241 --> 00:55:00,041
Speaker 5: Split second decision that he made change not only his

1132
00:55:00,201 --> 00:55:02,961
Speaker 5: life but the life of all of those around. Him

1133
00:55:03,761 --> 00:55:08,001
Speaker 5: i'm not cranky, anymore so by some miracle he turned.

1134
00:55:08,041 --> 00:55:12,361
Speaker 5: UP i probably can't express on media WHAT i would

1135
00:55:12,641 --> 00:55:15,121
Speaker 5: probably say to, him but, YEAH.

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Speaker 1: I JUST i want him to know that he was,

1137
00:55:16,721 --> 00:55:18,441
Speaker 1: loved that he was cared, for and that he was,

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00:55:18,521 --> 00:55:23,001
Speaker 1: important and he's not been. Forgotten and why Does andrew?

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00:55:23,081 --> 00:55:27,201
Speaker 5: MATTER i was listening to your most recent podcast this

1140
00:55:27,401 --> 00:55:30,721
Speaker 5: morning with the, doctor the forensic, Doctor Jamie, wood AND

1141
00:55:30,801 --> 00:55:33,801
Speaker 5: i remember her saying at the end that everybody. Matters

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00:55:33,881 --> 00:55:37,241
Speaker 5: And i'm going down that same Path Everybody matters.

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00:55:37,041 --> 00:55:38,081
Speaker 1: On Nobody matters.

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00:55:42,001 --> 00:55:43,601
Speaker 3: Next week on The Missing.

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00:55:43,681 --> 00:55:47,481
Speaker 6: Matter that same family had to quit their jobs to

1146
00:55:47,601 --> 00:55:48,761
Speaker 6: continue searching for their.

1147
00:55:48,841 --> 00:55:52,761
Speaker 3: Son family should not have to go through this family.

1148
00:55:52,481 --> 00:55:56,121
Speaker 6: Should get the resources that they require when they require. It,

1149
00:55:58,321 --> 00:56:02,001
Speaker 6: sadly our missing person numbers are going up every single.

1150
00:56:02,441 --> 00:56:05,761
Speaker 6: Year WHEN i first started search, Dogs isn't there was

1151
00:56:06,121 --> 00:56:09,641
Speaker 6: thirty seven thousand people a year reported, missing and last

1152
00:56:09,721 --> 00:56:14,321
Speaker 6: year that number was up to fifty nine. Thousand the

1153
00:56:14,441 --> 00:56:18,681
Speaker 6: turning point for me was standing at a missing person's.

1154
00:56:19,321 --> 00:56:23,041
Speaker 6: Grave the family invited me to say goodbye to this young.

1155
00:56:23,121 --> 00:56:25,721
Speaker 6: Man that's WHERE i made a personal vow on that

1156
00:56:25,921 --> 00:56:27,641
Speaker 6: day that enough was.

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Speaker 2: Enough