1 00:00:05,281 --> 00:00:07,801 Speaker 1: H approach production. 2 00:00:23,681 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: For the record. I'm don't trying to make you uncomfortable 3 00:00:26,961 --> 00:00:28,921 Speaker 2: for the record. You ain't trying to grow any stuff 4 00:00:28,921 --> 00:00:31,961 Speaker 2: for your bright for the record, lab on me going 5 00:00:32,001 --> 00:00:34,761 Speaker 2: all the way the way for the record. Ain't trying 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,121 Speaker 2: to link, No trying to waste. 7 00:00:35,961 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: Stuff for the record, for the record, for the for 8 00:00:41,921 --> 00:00:50,641 Speaker 3: the record, for the red for the record, for the record. 9 00:00:49,961 --> 00:00:52,681 Speaker 2: For the record. I don't try and make you uncomfortable. 10 00:00:52,921 --> 00:00:59,681 Speaker 1: Right, oh man, it is something that I'll say. Like, 11 00:01:01,281 --> 00:01:04,401 Speaker 1: so as a as a law pluck obviously can't do trials, 12 00:01:05,081 --> 00:01:09,721 Speaker 1: can't run. So we're talking criminal law criminal or currently 13 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,321 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm just I've just moved on. For criminal 14 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,481 Speaker 1: we can get it. We can get onto that a 15 00:01:13,521 --> 00:01:16,521 Speaker 1: little bit later. But like in criminal obviously there's a 16 00:01:16,521 --> 00:01:21,641 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of procedure, hearings. I guess I 17 00:01:21,721 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: mentioned and whatnot, and so I'm allowed I'm allowed to 18 00:01:28,401 --> 00:01:30,681 Speaker 1: It would be a guinea pig for this conversation. Do 19 00:01:31,241 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: you want to do? 20 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:33,321 Speaker 4: What do you call it when they do a is 21 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,801 Speaker 4: it thesis? What the fuck is it? I can't I'm 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 4: not break. 23 00:01:37,161 --> 00:01:40,761 Speaker 1: What do you do? Like like a study of you 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,281 Speaker 1: need someone to study on, brother, please knock on my door. 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,881 Speaker 1: I've got fucking years of it. I should have been 26 00:01:45,881 --> 00:01:48,521 Speaker 1: a lawyer. Embarrassed to myself? Can I a double I 27 00:01:48,521 --> 00:01:50,241 Speaker 1: don't explain too much this year? 28 00:01:50,281 --> 00:01:50,441 Speaker 5: Then? 29 00:01:52,641 --> 00:01:55,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like I'm allowed to extra represent clients and 30 00:01:56,001 --> 00:02:00,401 Speaker 1: these mentions that they're not usually present. It's obviously the 31 00:02:00,641 --> 00:02:03,401 Speaker 1: benefit of heavy representation. They don't have to go to 32 00:02:03,441 --> 00:02:07,961 Speaker 1: court all these these procedures. But mate, like you've got 33 00:02:07,961 --> 00:02:11,241 Speaker 1: to know everything. And obviously I'm coming from, you know, 34 00:02:11,321 --> 00:02:13,321 Speaker 1: a background where you know you're not really been to. 35 00:02:14,001 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: You don't need to remember things or whatnot, except for 36 00:02:16,841 --> 00:02:22,001 Speaker 1: here for physical than intellectual. But yeah, I'm starting from 37 00:02:22,001 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: the bottom of again, right, And then I'm like, I'm 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,721 Speaker 1: like a lot of people do know that I've come 39 00:02:25,761 --> 00:02:27,641 Speaker 1: from boxing. All the words going around, and I think 40 00:02:27,641 --> 00:02:30,641 Speaker 1: it's kind of in a way, it's it's nice because yeah, 41 00:02:30,641 --> 00:02:31,841 Speaker 1: a bit more supported, but. 42 00:02:32,281 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 4: Is there a little bit of when you do walk 43 00:02:34,001 --> 00:02:36,681 Speaker 4: into the courtroom in a fine dresser and you know, 44 00:02:36,721 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: people sort of turn around and go, oh, that's that's 45 00:02:38,601 --> 00:02:39,121 Speaker 4: try coilt. 46 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,881 Speaker 6: You know, I'm the last and the loa and there mate, 47 00:02:42,881 --> 00:02:46,641 Speaker 6: like and like when I go up and I have 48 00:02:46,721 --> 00:02:50,161 Speaker 6: to speak in these mentions. Mate, I've got more hiding 49 00:02:50,201 --> 00:02:52,001 Speaker 6: from magistrates and judges than. 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,241 Speaker 7: I ever have from Justice Herney or anybody Matey, they 51 00:02:55,441 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 7: like if you, if you, if you want to be 52 00:02:57,441 --> 00:02:59,641 Speaker 7: in a position you gotta you got to learn, you 53 00:02:59,641 --> 00:03:02,241 Speaker 7: got to take those spiring sessions and get beaten up 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:02,721 Speaker 7: a little bit. 55 00:03:03,081 --> 00:03:10,801 Speaker 5: It's the only very correlating over its Yeah, it's difficult 56 00:03:11,721 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 5: to touch on that for a secon because that's I 57 00:03:13,321 --> 00:03:15,081 Speaker 5: didn't even think of it from that point of view. 58 00:03:15,081 --> 00:03:19,441 Speaker 4: But you are literally going back into sparring, like you said, yeah, 59 00:03:19,881 --> 00:03:25,841 Speaker 4: with I guess words and an IQ because his reality 60 00:03:26,041 --> 00:03:29,241 Speaker 4: is you're crafty with your hands, but how are you 61 00:03:29,281 --> 00:03:31,201 Speaker 4: with your tongue and your mind? 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,841 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I didn't even think of this. 63 00:03:34,921 --> 00:03:37,241 Speaker 4: You'd be sad on your ass literally by a magistrate 64 00:03:37,401 --> 00:03:40,961 Speaker 4: was having a bad day, if you were inappropriately addressing 65 00:03:41,121 --> 00:03:45,321 Speaker 4: or you know, coming across in an unprofessional. 66 00:03:44,761 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 1: If you will weigh Yeah, I think it's like it's 67 00:03:50,521 --> 00:03:52,961 Speaker 1: again just like boxing, you've got to prepare as best 68 00:03:53,001 --> 00:03:56,241 Speaker 1: you can and like you come undone when you like 69 00:03:56,281 --> 00:03:59,241 Speaker 1: you don't know everything you should So even if it's 70 00:03:59,281 --> 00:04:01,681 Speaker 1: just about a matter like you know your instructions in 71 00:04:01,761 --> 00:04:05,081 Speaker 1: this chilosphone carriage, and he'll tell you to go and 72 00:04:05,961 --> 00:04:08,161 Speaker 1: say these things. We'll mentioned these things. The judge give 73 00:04:08,161 --> 00:04:11,921 Speaker 1: the journalist reason or whatever, and you just go there 74 00:04:11,961 --> 00:04:14,081 Speaker 1: with those simple instructions. But if you don't know the 75 00:04:14,121 --> 00:04:17,201 Speaker 1: background of the actual meta or where it is currently procedurally, 76 00:04:17,201 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: if there's like committal metters going on or whatever whatever 77 00:04:20,921 --> 00:04:22,841 Speaker 1: it may be, If I don't know that and they 78 00:04:22,921 --> 00:04:27,241 Speaker 1: ask like you wearing ship, they'll snit their weakness on you, 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,721 Speaker 1: and they will they'll let you know. Like there was 80 00:04:29,761 --> 00:04:32,601 Speaker 1: this one time, oh mate, I just crumbled, like I 81 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:35,681 Speaker 1: was into strict court and then I was the first 82 00:04:35,801 --> 00:04:38,601 Speaker 1: up for the day. So I had a horn full 83 00:04:38,681 --> 00:04:43,241 Speaker 1: of barristers and solicitors and whatnot, and they're all sitting 84 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:46,081 Speaker 1: there watching and obviously like, oh, how this fucking xbox 85 00:04:46,081 --> 00:04:49,481 Speaker 1: They're gonna, you know, take it. And then so I remember, 86 00:04:49,481 --> 00:04:51,121 Speaker 1: I just missed up my announcement. 87 00:04:53,081 --> 00:04:55,081 Speaker 4: I was going to say, introduting yourself with the firm 88 00:04:55,081 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: you're from and who you're representing. 89 00:04:56,481 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Is that what you're referring to? 90 00:04:57,721 --> 00:04:57,921 Speaker 4: Yep? 91 00:04:58,121 --> 00:05:01,001 Speaker 1: Correct, And this judge just like near straight away on 92 00:05:01,161 --> 00:05:05,201 Speaker 1: green like and then she just humiliated, the abstince wreck 93 00:05:05,241 --> 00:05:06,721 Speaker 1: out of me. I asked me questions for you, I 94 00:05:06,761 --> 00:05:09,521 Speaker 1: wouldn't have no ann answered to and I'm just breaking. 95 00:05:09,721 --> 00:05:11,601 Speaker 1: It's getting worse and worse, and they've got sitting out 96 00:05:11,601 --> 00:05:15,001 Speaker 1: of the court room just to gain instructions. She told 97 00:05:15,041 --> 00:05:18,321 Speaker 1: me to get and came back in and yeah, that. 98 00:05:21,961 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: But people don't talk about these sort of things, and 99 00:05:24,361 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: this is this is actually very interesting, and thank you 100 00:05:26,561 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 4: for being so open about it because I understand, you know, 101 00:05:29,201 --> 00:05:33,361 Speaker 4: like there's certain language you can speak and can't and 102 00:05:33,401 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 4: I would not put you in a vulnerable position, but 103 00:05:36,481 --> 00:05:40,561 Speaker 4: that right there, it just goes to show that you 104 00:05:40,681 --> 00:05:43,281 Speaker 4: have to earn your stripes again. Like here you are 105 00:05:43,921 --> 00:05:48,041 Speaker 4: really and truly giving it. You're all You're there to 106 00:05:48,081 --> 00:05:49,401 Speaker 4: get to the bar for starters. 107 00:05:49,481 --> 00:05:50,281 Speaker 1: This huge. 108 00:05:50,641 --> 00:05:54,281 Speaker 4: You're at the bar, you're actually you know, giving instructions 109 00:05:54,281 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: from a client to a judge, magistrate, whatever, whoever's residing. 110 00:06:00,121 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: And I only know. 111 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,721 Speaker 4: This because of forty years of court cases. Who's counting, 112 00:06:10,281 --> 00:06:11,201 Speaker 4: maybe thirty five? 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,281 Speaker 1: But anyway, I should have been embarrassed as I said that. 114 00:06:14,601 --> 00:06:16,601 Speaker 4: I would have I would have done I might even 115 00:06:16,641 --> 00:06:18,241 Speaker 4: be able to sit down and help you at times, 116 00:06:18,281 --> 00:06:19,281 Speaker 4: just give me a call. 117 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:23,481 Speaker 1: I need some advice. But I'm very no. 118 00:06:23,561 --> 00:06:25,361 Speaker 4: I won't even go into it on this because I'm like, 119 00:06:25,401 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: you're fucking hindered for it, but. 120 00:06:28,801 --> 00:06:32,241 Speaker 1: It is how could I put it? That would be scary? 121 00:06:32,641 --> 00:06:35,001 Speaker 4: Like that would be scary, you know, your confidence would 122 00:06:35,001 --> 00:06:39,041 Speaker 4: be just knock clean out of you. And all you're 123 00:06:39,081 --> 00:06:42,161 Speaker 4: trying to do is learn grow and better yourself to 124 00:06:42,241 --> 00:06:47,321 Speaker 4: become greater something like that, Like that's that's a you know, 125 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,641 Speaker 4: like you say, she she pulled you to pieces and 126 00:06:49,761 --> 00:06:54,321 Speaker 4: you know, basically humiliated. What the fuck would you do that? 127 00:06:55,041 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: To ask in a respectful way, but why would was it? 128 00:06:58,241 --> 00:07:01,161 Speaker 4: Do you feel that was to educate you better? Or 129 00:07:01,281 --> 00:07:03,641 Speaker 4: was it to literally say, hey, you're in the big 130 00:07:03,721 --> 00:07:05,801 Speaker 4: leagues now, buddy, young shit together? 131 00:07:06,601 --> 00:07:09,601 Speaker 1: I think Brandon's crew basically not to say yeah. 132 00:07:10,001 --> 00:07:11,841 Speaker 4: Okay, and I I said I wasn't going to put 133 00:07:11,841 --> 00:07:16,161 Speaker 4: you in that position. And if that judge is listening, 134 00:07:16,681 --> 00:07:18,881 Speaker 4: need no case to answer. 135 00:07:20,761 --> 00:07:25,401 Speaker 1: I think it's harder Brent, because like and the legal like, 136 00:07:25,481 --> 00:07:27,001 Speaker 1: I have a coach, right that can kind of help 137 00:07:27,041 --> 00:07:30,081 Speaker 1: me work through these these moments. And yeah, I do 138 00:07:30,161 --> 00:07:32,121 Speaker 1: have a flicit of that can help me out. But 139 00:07:32,201 --> 00:07:35,041 Speaker 1: and that's so busy if they're overloaded with work and 140 00:07:35,121 --> 00:07:36,721 Speaker 1: they can give you the advice here and there, but 141 00:07:36,721 --> 00:07:40,001 Speaker 1: they're not watching you and you're literally doing you. 142 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:42,201 Speaker 4: You you've got to make sure that you dot your 143 00:07:42,241 --> 00:07:45,401 Speaker 4: eyes and cross your t's for you to be what 144 00:07:45,481 --> 00:07:47,841 Speaker 4: you need to be at that moment in that courtroom. 145 00:07:48,161 --> 00:07:49,961 Speaker 1: Correct. And when you walk away and you take the 146 00:07:50,161 --> 00:07:53,441 Speaker 1: l and you got to that's really you're in it. Like, 147 00:07:53,481 --> 00:07:55,161 Speaker 1: so when you're like just like a spying session, you 148 00:07:55,241 --> 00:07:57,921 Speaker 1: got to conference is not and you don't really want 149 00:07:57,961 --> 00:07:59,281 Speaker 1: to get back in there or you may want to 150 00:07:59,361 --> 00:08:00,441 Speaker 1: try to prove yourself again. 151 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:03,961 Speaker 4: So, Troy, do you think that with your years of 152 00:08:04,001 --> 00:08:07,361 Speaker 4: professional boxing, the l's and the w's, the learns as 153 00:08:07,401 --> 00:08:09,841 Speaker 4: we call it, and the wings, the highs and the lows, 154 00:08:10,521 --> 00:08:13,001 Speaker 4: do you feel that it's giving you a lot of 155 00:08:13,161 --> 00:08:17,401 Speaker 4: confidence and strength to be able to accept those dressings 156 00:08:17,401 --> 00:08:20,241 Speaker 4: from the magistrate or the judge, you know, feeling a 157 00:08:20,241 --> 00:08:23,441 Speaker 4: little bit belittled, if you will. And that's me saying 158 00:08:23,481 --> 00:08:27,401 Speaker 4: that I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you know 159 00:08:27,521 --> 00:08:31,521 Speaker 4: that that's that's a really hard pill to swallow for 160 00:08:31,641 --> 00:08:35,321 Speaker 4: somebody's confidence and I mean it's no different. I guess 161 00:08:35,841 --> 00:08:39,641 Speaker 4: when you jump in the ring with you feeling confident, 162 00:08:39,681 --> 00:08:42,041 Speaker 4: but knowing that this guy in front of me is 163 00:08:42,201 --> 00:08:48,441 Speaker 4: pretty sweet, he's good you know cut, Am I good enough? 164 00:08:49,961 --> 00:08:53,121 Speaker 1: I think it's like a reminder. I guess if anything, 165 00:08:53,241 --> 00:08:57,281 Speaker 1: they're like, you're just obviously my last fives of tap, appetite, 166 00:08:57,361 --> 00:09:00,961 Speaker 1: apetized old man. The one thing he just says off, yeah, 167 00:09:03,201 --> 00:09:03,681 Speaker 1: big tap. 168 00:09:03,761 --> 00:09:07,041 Speaker 4: He's from Minnow, from down Campbelltown, right mate, Now, I 169 00:09:07,121 --> 00:09:08,561 Speaker 4: remember that taps back in the day. 170 00:09:09,401 --> 00:09:12,961 Speaker 1: He's a legend. Is But like one thing always say 171 00:09:13,161 --> 00:09:15,241 Speaker 1: is just going to trust the process, right, and that 172 00:09:15,361 --> 00:09:19,161 Speaker 1: process isn't always winning, like it's it's just tacking those 173 00:09:19,201 --> 00:09:22,081 Speaker 1: hidings or attacking those ruins kind the magistrates. So when 174 00:09:23,041 --> 00:09:25,041 Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have done what I'm 175 00:09:25,041 --> 00:09:28,001 Speaker 1: doing now ten years ago because I didn't have that 176 00:09:28,121 --> 00:09:31,721 Speaker 1: experiencing lifter from the boxing. Yes, that's what boxings taught 177 00:09:31,721 --> 00:09:34,761 Speaker 1: me is that you just got to It ain't always 178 00:09:34,761 --> 00:09:37,921 Speaker 1: going to be easy, and sometimes when you're down, the 179 00:09:37,961 --> 00:09:41,041 Speaker 1: best thing to do is just put yourself in that 180 00:09:41,121 --> 00:09:44,841 Speaker 1: funnel position to you know, potentially take another hiding or the. 181 00:09:44,921 --> 00:09:48,841 Speaker 4: Broom is a boxing bout Yeah, those two ways about it. 182 00:09:48,841 --> 00:09:50,241 Speaker 1: You're in there for the fight of your life. 183 00:09:50,281 --> 00:09:52,721 Speaker 4: And and the thing is, there's something that is very 184 00:09:52,761 --> 00:09:56,921 Speaker 4: important I want to stress is finding the right legal 185 00:09:56,961 --> 00:10:00,681 Speaker 4: representation is imperative. You have to gel with your team. 186 00:10:01,321 --> 00:10:04,521 Speaker 4: Without going into that, it's not my journey to talk about. 187 00:10:04,561 --> 00:10:07,881 Speaker 4: But people know my story, so you know I spent 188 00:10:07,961 --> 00:10:11,081 Speaker 4: many years in a different life, different world, club life, 189 00:10:11,201 --> 00:10:13,081 Speaker 4: what have you. I had the same legal team for 190 00:10:13,121 --> 00:10:16,121 Speaker 4: twenty years, nearly and why because I knew at a 191 00:10:16,121 --> 00:10:18,121 Speaker 4: phone call, I didn't have to say anything. I didn't 192 00:10:18,201 --> 00:10:20,001 Speaker 4: have to speak. They knew what to say, They knew 193 00:10:20,041 --> 00:10:21,481 Speaker 4: where to get me, how to get me where I 194 00:10:21,521 --> 00:10:23,681 Speaker 4: needed to be, what to say to the judge or 195 00:10:23,681 --> 00:10:26,081 Speaker 4: the magistrate, my baiol if I was going to get bail, 196 00:10:26,281 --> 00:10:29,361 Speaker 4: presumption against bail, whatever the case might have been. 197 00:10:29,441 --> 00:10:31,321 Speaker 1: I never had to figure even to the point. 198 00:10:31,081 --> 00:10:34,161 Speaker 4: Of them contacting my wife and saying, hey, listenings they pinched, 199 00:10:34,601 --> 00:10:37,801 Speaker 4: you know, worse phone calls in the world, but they 200 00:10:37,961 --> 00:10:43,601 Speaker 4: knew what to do. Building and establishing a relationship with 201 00:10:43,641 --> 00:10:46,921 Speaker 4: a client in that manner takes a lot of trust. 202 00:10:47,761 --> 00:10:50,481 Speaker 4: You have to be able to perform because you have 203 00:10:50,721 --> 00:10:54,721 Speaker 4: my best interest, my family's best interest in your hands. 204 00:10:55,041 --> 00:10:58,161 Speaker 1: My world is literally within your hands. 205 00:10:58,241 --> 00:11:01,561 Speaker 4: How you instruct or what you do to deliver my 206 00:11:01,721 --> 00:11:05,481 Speaker 4: matter or fight for me has massive concert quence is 207 00:11:05,481 --> 00:11:09,521 Speaker 4: good or bad? How do you feel knowing that you 208 00:11:09,561 --> 00:11:13,841 Speaker 4: know these are the things that now you will have 209 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:18,441 Speaker 4: to consider is the client's well being and welfare whilst 210 00:11:18,481 --> 00:11:21,441 Speaker 4: you're in charge of making sure whether you know I 211 00:11:21,441 --> 00:11:24,121 Speaker 4: shouldn't even say that because it's not ethical for me, 212 00:11:24,561 --> 00:11:26,681 Speaker 4: so that you're. 213 00:11:25,761 --> 00:11:28,001 Speaker 1: A criminal lawyer your client's right. 214 00:11:28,041 --> 00:11:31,601 Speaker 4: I mean, I know that you advise best as and 215 00:11:31,641 --> 00:11:34,241 Speaker 4: it's up to then, obviously the client to great the 216 00:11:34,281 --> 00:11:37,121 Speaker 4: final decision. You can only give the advice to suggest 217 00:11:37,121 --> 00:11:41,401 Speaker 4: whether you feel that this is possible or not. Generally, 218 00:11:41,481 --> 00:11:44,641 Speaker 4: evidence is a huge thing that you know. Obviously everyone 219 00:11:44,641 --> 00:11:49,921 Speaker 4: in lies, So you now have this duty of care 220 00:11:49,921 --> 00:11:54,841 Speaker 4: if you will. How do you feel about that? It's 221 00:11:54,841 --> 00:11:55,801 Speaker 4: an added pressure too. 222 00:11:56,481 --> 00:12:02,921 Speaker 1: I think you know, obviously you're dealing with a client 223 00:12:03,521 --> 00:12:05,441 Speaker 1: if it's not the worst money and it's one of 224 00:12:05,481 --> 00:12:07,401 Speaker 1: the worst ones in their life, all the most funerable 225 00:12:07,441 --> 00:12:10,961 Speaker 1: moments in their life, So it is a bit of 226 00:12:10,961 --> 00:12:13,241 Speaker 1: pressure there. I guess obviously I'm not a solicity here, 227 00:12:13,321 --> 00:12:16,881 Speaker 1: So I don't really completely understand how that actually feels, 228 00:12:17,601 --> 00:12:21,001 Speaker 1: but I have spoken to a few of the slitters 229 00:12:21,001 --> 00:12:24,441 Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, and like that there is that level 230 00:12:24,481 --> 00:12:27,561 Speaker 1: of valid isn't it. It is a valid a valid question. 231 00:12:27,881 --> 00:12:30,441 Speaker 1: But to be your best at anything, you can't really 232 00:12:30,521 --> 00:12:34,721 Speaker 1: kind of like let that pressure womb over. Yeah, so 233 00:12:34,761 --> 00:12:36,801 Speaker 1: you kind of have to disconnected. But right, I think 234 00:12:37,121 --> 00:12:40,081 Speaker 1: you've got to. You kind of have to disconnect. I 235 00:12:40,081 --> 00:12:43,001 Speaker 1: think to an extent, you sawt of the empathy. You 236 00:12:43,041 --> 00:12:45,121 Speaker 1: go saw what to listen, you saw what to obviously 237 00:12:45,161 --> 00:12:47,041 Speaker 1: know what it is on the line, you would appreciate that. 238 00:12:48,321 --> 00:12:50,441 Speaker 4: So do you then say, Okay, I'm not allowed to 239 00:12:50,441 --> 00:12:51,841 Speaker 4: be emotionally invested in this. 240 00:12:52,041 --> 00:12:56,001 Speaker 1: I need to sit on the sideline, like emotionally you 241 00:12:56,081 --> 00:12:59,001 Speaker 1: definitely you can't be invested. Yeah, yeah, it just has 242 00:12:59,041 --> 00:13:02,281 Speaker 1: to be purely logical all the way through. Yeah, and 243 00:13:02,321 --> 00:13:06,721 Speaker 1: you can't like it's you like, you can't get upset 244 00:13:06,801 --> 00:13:08,361 Speaker 1: because that's just going to take your mind off the 245 00:13:08,401 --> 00:13:11,201 Speaker 1: next step. Right, you gotta like if you're if you 246 00:13:11,241 --> 00:13:16,441 Speaker 1: get given a bad decision, like obviously in a prehering 247 00:13:16,521 --> 00:13:20,121 Speaker 1: or whatever, it is, like you gotta from what I've seen, 248 00:13:20,161 --> 00:13:23,881 Speaker 1: anyway from the from THESS. You gotta be reading roll 249 00:13:23,921 --> 00:13:25,721 Speaker 1: off that next it's not getting punch. You gotta like 250 00:13:25,801 --> 00:13:28,361 Speaker 1: your head okay, cool to make sure I get it again. Yeah, 251 00:13:28,401 --> 00:13:30,521 Speaker 1: you gotta move on you to mom that next, the 252 00:13:30,601 --> 00:13:33,921 Speaker 1: next step thinking thinking, thinking ahead, yeah, boom boom boom, 253 00:13:33,961 --> 00:13:36,361 Speaker 1: Yeah how can I count that shot now? And then 254 00:13:36,521 --> 00:13:40,001 Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, I think the emotion needs to 255 00:13:40,081 --> 00:13:44,441 Speaker 1: can be completely stat completely away. I think I really 256 00:13:44,521 --> 00:13:45,481 Speaker 1: love what you're doing. 257 00:13:45,521 --> 00:13:48,321 Speaker 4: And this is the excitement of having you on because 258 00:13:48,361 --> 00:13:51,401 Speaker 4: I feel that the correlation between the two, you know, 259 00:13:51,601 --> 00:13:57,161 Speaker 4: is so relevant. You've you've stepped out of throwing hands 260 00:13:57,321 --> 00:14:00,801 Speaker 4: now throwing intelligence is like can put it in that way? 261 00:14:00,841 --> 00:14:03,401 Speaker 4: Because it is you. You have to think, like you said, 262 00:14:04,081 --> 00:14:07,241 Speaker 4: I personally think. I mean, look, no, I shouldn't say that. 263 00:14:07,281 --> 00:14:09,761 Speaker 4: I personally think, because yes, it can be like a 264 00:14:09,801 --> 00:14:12,001 Speaker 4: game of chess in the courtroom. Well, it technically is 265 00:14:12,041 --> 00:14:15,441 Speaker 4: in a lot of ways, but within boundaries and guidelines 266 00:14:16,441 --> 00:14:22,321 Speaker 4: to what level. And I've seen some historic let's just say, 267 00:14:22,401 --> 00:14:26,481 Speaker 4: legislations that are still under the carpet, but act be 268 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:30,401 Speaker 4: pulled out and win matters in some good cases. 269 00:14:31,281 --> 00:14:34,641 Speaker 1: And I've looked and I've gone on. 270 00:14:34,801 --> 00:14:38,161 Speaker 4: You, I had the right team at that moment. Now 271 00:14:39,081 --> 00:14:41,481 Speaker 4: they're few and far between, and it takes a lot 272 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:45,401 Speaker 4: of years of experience, knowledge and matters. And mind you, 273 00:14:45,481 --> 00:14:47,401 Speaker 4: she is a barrister of one of the best, so 274 00:14:47,441 --> 00:14:50,081 Speaker 4: I wouldn't have expected anything less but to have her 275 00:14:50,121 --> 00:14:50,401 Speaker 4: pull a. 276 00:14:50,441 --> 00:14:51,401 Speaker 1: Rabbit out of a hat. 277 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:54,441 Speaker 4: But you know, she would always keep her cards very close, 278 00:14:55,681 --> 00:15:00,121 Speaker 4: especially in communication with crown and prosecutors and so on DPP. 279 00:15:00,761 --> 00:15:03,761 Speaker 4: And they're the things that you, if you're going to 280 00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:07,241 Speaker 4: stay in criminal law, have to, you know, learn to understand. 281 00:15:07,401 --> 00:15:09,881 Speaker 4: Is the web I'm going to call it. I'm going 282 00:15:09,921 --> 00:15:11,801 Speaker 4: to call it the web because it is a fucking web. 283 00:15:12,121 --> 00:15:14,761 Speaker 4: It's a web, and if if that rent backs in there, 284 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:15,841 Speaker 4: it's going to strike you. 285 00:15:15,761 --> 00:15:16,921 Speaker 1: You got to get fucking bitten. 286 00:15:18,201 --> 00:15:20,681 Speaker 4: But how do you manipulate and move around that web 287 00:15:20,801 --> 00:15:21,401 Speaker 4: to not forgit? 288 00:15:22,201 --> 00:15:25,561 Speaker 1: So one thing that I was extremely surprised of when 289 00:15:25,761 --> 00:15:29,721 Speaker 1: like that web and again this is the way you 290 00:15:29,721 --> 00:15:32,361 Speaker 1: can't get emotional right and you can't make it personal 291 00:15:32,441 --> 00:15:35,321 Speaker 1: because you I'm not saying you'd be friends with these 292 00:15:35,321 --> 00:15:37,681 Speaker 1: prosecutors or whatever, but you've got to have like a 293 00:15:37,721 --> 00:15:41,481 Speaker 1: good communication going on because if it becomes personal, they're 294 00:15:41,481 --> 00:15:43,361 Speaker 1: gonna they're going to start put the mechan life so 295 00:15:43,481 --> 00:15:46,041 Speaker 1: much more difficult for you in your clant So you like, 296 00:15:46,241 --> 00:15:50,121 Speaker 1: in a way, you've got to just keep those emotions 297 00:15:50,121 --> 00:15:51,761 Speaker 1: at bay, and you've got to be tactical the way 298 00:15:51,761 --> 00:15:54,921 Speaker 1: you communicate, and at times you probably you probably need 299 00:15:54,921 --> 00:15:58,201 Speaker 1: to put the model and this is you know, be 300 00:15:58,241 --> 00:16:02,321 Speaker 1: a bit more forceful and their language when leading letters 301 00:16:02,401 --> 00:16:05,201 Speaker 1: or emails because they have to. But I found that 302 00:16:05,681 --> 00:16:09,881 Speaker 1: such a surprise, I think surprising the way that. 303 00:16:11,321 --> 00:16:13,961 Speaker 4: Now this is me saying this, Okay, so this is 304 00:16:14,001 --> 00:16:15,961 Speaker 4: to everybody out there listening, and I know that I 305 00:16:16,001 --> 00:16:18,121 Speaker 4: have a lot of people in the legal profession that 306 00:16:18,201 --> 00:16:22,121 Speaker 4: listen to my podcast and so on. Is this more 307 00:16:22,241 --> 00:16:27,241 Speaker 4: like the prosecution and the criminal defense being in bed 308 00:16:27,241 --> 00:16:28,161 Speaker 4: together so to speak? 309 00:16:28,201 --> 00:16:31,321 Speaker 1: At times? Well, I wouldn't say it being a bid. 310 00:16:31,601 --> 00:16:34,481 Speaker 4: So that's that's like I said, I wor yeah, yeah, 311 00:16:34,641 --> 00:16:35,921 Speaker 4: but you get a kissed. 312 00:16:36,441 --> 00:16:39,521 Speaker 1: It's that fine line of being civil, right. I could 313 00:16:39,561 --> 00:16:45,041 Speaker 1: imagine two fucking fucking they get on the piece with 314 00:16:45,081 --> 00:16:47,441 Speaker 1: each other. Do you have every fucking wee can eat dinner? 315 00:16:48,001 --> 00:16:48,161 Speaker 5: Oh? 316 00:16:48,281 --> 00:16:51,161 Speaker 1: Bro, I have? Yeah? I could tell see I can 317 00:16:51,201 --> 00:16:52,961 Speaker 1: tell now way to ever speak about it. 318 00:16:53,041 --> 00:16:55,481 Speaker 4: But there's some stories from twenty years ago that yeah, 319 00:16:55,881 --> 00:16:58,761 Speaker 4: there'd be several people sitting around certain bars in certain 320 00:16:58,801 --> 00:17:01,441 Speaker 4: places and they're no different than anybody else. 321 00:17:02,241 --> 00:17:05,721 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure I have it. Yeah, I'm sure 322 00:17:05,721 --> 00:17:12,681 Speaker 1: it happens, but all today is a bit different. Yeah, 323 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it was. That was obviously being in the boxing community 324 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,041 Speaker 1: and being around you know, those the people that are 325 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,001 Speaker 1: in that community, and the opinions you have of obviously 326 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:25,561 Speaker 1: the other side going into like you always have this 327 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,881 Speaker 1: preconceived idea that you know it's the US is. Then 328 00:17:29,001 --> 00:17:31,041 Speaker 1: you know, that's what I was thinking, But it is 329 00:17:31,681 --> 00:17:33,721 Speaker 1: like it has to be that way as well, with 330 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: like the the civil dialogue needs to be needs to 331 00:17:39,921 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: be there, it has to be. I have to agree 332 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,561 Speaker 1: with you and all jokes aside. 333 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,041 Speaker 4: I totally get in respect what you're saying, and a 334 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: lot of people wouldn't because it is seen to be 335 00:17:50,281 --> 00:17:53,401 Speaker 4: that hang on a circumpaigning you to defend me. Why 336 00:17:53,441 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: the fuck are you're talking to why you you know, 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,041 Speaker 4: people don't get why you need to sit down and 338 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: have dialogue with you know in a way that I 339 00:18:02,201 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 4: guess it maybe over a coffee or alone. Sure, maybe 340 00:18:05,921 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 4: you know, but it's in the best interest of the 341 00:18:07,441 --> 00:18:10,121 Speaker 4: client most of the time. I mean, it has been 342 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:12,881 Speaker 4: proven there that there are times where there's been conflict 343 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 4: of interest and corruption within that sort of space. It 344 00:18:16,481 --> 00:18:19,761 Speaker 4: doesn't happen all the time, but it has happened, though. 345 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 4: Majority are for purposeful conversations, i e. Being for the 346 00:18:25,201 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 4: client to then have some sort of positive movement, hopefully 347 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,001 Speaker 4: in moving forward in the case or the matter, that 348 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: allows you to be able to act in a way 349 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 4: that gives the best opportunity for the client to be 350 00:18:38,001 --> 00:18:41,241 Speaker 4: able to possibly win or come away with some sort 351 00:18:41,321 --> 00:18:45,241 Speaker 4: of better outcome than once expected. 352 00:18:45,681 --> 00:18:48,281 Speaker 1: Well, well, it would definitely create like that opportunity for 353 00:18:48,281 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: a bit, the outcome I think, like if you're I agree, 354 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: if you're given a hostile like I mean, I know 355 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,321 Speaker 1: how i'd feel if someone was acting hostile towards me. 356 00:18:57,321 --> 00:18:58,761 Speaker 1: How but I fuck this guy. I want to be 357 00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to give him anything like 358 00:19:00,481 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to the arrogance just won't get 359 00:19:02,681 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: you anywhere, will it? Exactly right? Like I mean, and 360 00:19:06,681 --> 00:19:09,321 Speaker 1: it happened like that. That dialogue happens a lot, like 361 00:19:09,441 --> 00:19:11,561 Speaker 1: I'm sure as you know, like a magistrate level, Like 362 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of conferences that go on, but 363 00:19:13,961 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: not coffee, Like I never really think prosecutors w have 364 00:19:16,481 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: coffee that. 365 00:19:17,001 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 8: Becomes district and supreme weather that I signed, but it happened, 366 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,801 Speaker 8: and it happened so often, and like those little rooms 367 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 8: in every courthouses have that you know, you have to 368 00:19:28,681 --> 00:19:31,201 Speaker 8: go away and sit down and figure it out. 369 00:19:32,561 --> 00:19:36,721 Speaker 1: But yeah, are you enjoying it? I am, man, it's 370 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,721 Speaker 1: in the sense that it's challenging, like and then like 371 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:48,281 Speaker 1: I'm starting again and I'm vulnerable and I'm figuring it out. Yeah, 372 00:19:48,561 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: Like the has been a little bit difficult in some 373 00:19:53,721 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: aspects as well, like not not positive, Like they're learning 374 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the justice system and how 375 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: unfair it can be in many different ways. Man, Like 376 00:20:01,761 --> 00:20:05,481 Speaker 1: obviously the big one is that I think unless you've 377 00:20:05,481 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: got money, you kind of and you can afford those 378 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: those good barristers or whatnot. Like you amen, You're like 379 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: you kind of just got to accept the best thing 380 00:20:15,521 --> 00:20:16,521 Speaker 1: that you can have, you know. 381 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 4: But yeah, I want to just pick this nail on 382 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,321 Speaker 4: the head because it's hot and you just and I 383 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 4: don't want to once again put you in any position 384 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 4: because this is me speaking, So just to be clear, 385 00:20:29,561 --> 00:20:33,081 Speaker 4: you talk about not being able to afford, and I've 386 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 4: people that know my journey. The last five years I 387 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,121 Speaker 4: had been fighting an accessory art factor murder charge from 388 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,281 Speaker 4: sixteen years ago. Now that case has ended with no 389 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:52,321 Speaker 4: case to answer, which is fantastic, But what it costs 390 00:20:53,441 --> 00:21:00,361 Speaker 4: over those five years had I not been I guess helped, borrowed, 391 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 4: sold everything I owned, you know, like I had a 392 00:21:04,561 --> 00:21:09,041 Speaker 4: compense payout from being a sexually abused child at a 393 00:21:09,241 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: Catholic primary school, proven beyond doubt, and that money was 394 00:21:12,721 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 4: meant to help my children better their future. Was never 395 00:21:15,481 --> 00:21:17,441 Speaker 4: going to do anything to me, but what a little 396 00:21:17,481 --> 00:21:20,801 Speaker 4: amount was given for my traumas and the abuse was 397 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: always going to be to try and give my children 398 00:21:23,041 --> 00:21:23,721 Speaker 4: a head start. 399 00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: The moment that hit my account, I was arrested. 400 00:21:27,481 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: It was all very bizarre, and yes they had me 401 00:21:29,801 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: understail that it was just timing was impeccable on their behalf. 402 00:21:33,721 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 4: Now people talk about innocent until proven guilty. Now this 403 00:21:37,041 --> 00:21:39,441 Speaker 4: is once again me speaking. I'm not trying to put 404 00:21:39,481 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 4: you in a position of vulnerability, but I do believe 405 00:21:44,521 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: that you are guilty to proven in this I do 406 00:21:47,041 --> 00:21:50,481 Speaker 4: not believe that people have this conception correct. It is 407 00:21:50,521 --> 00:21:53,961 Speaker 4: a misconception. And as you said, if you can't and 408 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:57,521 Speaker 4: let's briefly just touch on the fact of legal aid, 409 00:21:57,561 --> 00:22:00,921 Speaker 4: because that is the only opportunity you may be able 410 00:22:01,001 --> 00:22:04,561 Speaker 4: to get if you fall within the criteria the guidelines. 411 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,041 Speaker 4: That is such a fine line to get assistance, and 412 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: even then you're not guaranteed. Now, I do know for 413 00:22:10,761 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 4: a fact that it is better today than what it 414 00:22:13,281 --> 00:22:15,241 Speaker 4: was many many years ago. Back in the day, you 415 00:22:15,281 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 4: would never get a duty solicitor or illegally. It was 416 00:22:18,521 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: just you didn't do it because you were never going 417 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 4: to run a good case with them. Today, I believe 418 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: it is very different, and it's allocated to many a 419 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: successful barrister's, QCs, solicitors, laws, whatever, you know, there's some 420 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,441 Speaker 4: quality out there. So but for the average person who 421 00:22:37,561 --> 00:22:42,801 Speaker 4: might for example, own a vehicle that's ten grand that 422 00:22:43,001 --> 00:22:45,561 Speaker 4: gets them to work every day, you know, but is 423 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,281 Speaker 4: a single parent or struggling, you don't fall within the 424 00:22:49,441 --> 00:22:52,321 Speaker 4: means test, and that's what they call it, the means test. Therefore, 425 00:22:53,801 --> 00:22:56,681 Speaker 4: you could have been like me for the case took 426 00:22:56,721 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: it for four or five years for giving it everything 427 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,441 Speaker 4: found not guilty. But had you had not had financial 428 00:23:04,481 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 4: support or sacrifice everything that your family had to fight them, 429 00:23:09,681 --> 00:23:11,961 Speaker 4: it would have been a scenario of just fuck it. 430 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 4: I can't afford it, I can't get legal aid, I 431 00:23:14,481 --> 00:23:18,121 Speaker 4: can't I can't fight this. I'm just going to throw 432 00:23:18,201 --> 00:23:19,881 Speaker 4: my hands up and go and do the time, which 433 00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: many people seem to be doing. 434 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,961 Speaker 1: It's almost like a sentence like on the sign, right like, yeah, 435 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: you're you're getting even if you found not guilty, but 436 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,881 Speaker 1: you've been punished or by your fund's been gerined completely, 437 00:23:34,001 --> 00:23:37,961 Speaker 1: your your your stability or what obviously the funds that 438 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,481 Speaker 1: you were received. You know, it's just been taken from 439 00:23:41,561 --> 00:23:44,961 Speaker 1: under and a plus all the stress added to it 440 00:23:45,041 --> 00:23:45,761 Speaker 1: as well, right like. 441 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,201 Speaker 4: It's a it's a tough rob bro, And I don't 442 00:23:49,241 --> 00:23:51,961 Speaker 4: think and I'm I'm actually grateful you actually touched on 443 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,281 Speaker 4: it because I never talk about it, and people. 444 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:56,761 Speaker 1: Like feeling, oh, you know you must be happy, you 445 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: can you. 446 00:23:57,441 --> 00:24:00,041 Speaker 4: Know, you can get calm, you can do There's no compensation, 447 00:24:00,521 --> 00:24:02,321 Speaker 4: There is no God. The only compensation is a not 448 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: guilty verdict committal and that's really that, right, There is 449 00:24:06,241 --> 00:24:08,161 Speaker 4: the best reward you could ever And I'm not complaining 450 00:24:08,201 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 4: because look, I'd rather have lost three hundred thousand dollars 451 00:24:11,681 --> 00:24:15,441 Speaker 4: pass having the best legal team to fight for something 452 00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 4: that I was innocent against, then be convicted. 453 00:24:18,201 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: Or just be not be able to fight and go, 454 00:24:19,801 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it. 455 00:24:20,481 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: I just have to cop this on the chin and 456 00:24:22,041 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 4: go and do five or ten years because something I 457 00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:26,521 Speaker 4: hadn't going to do with. And they're the realities of 458 00:24:26,681 --> 00:24:30,001 Speaker 4: what happens in our legal system. I don't know when 459 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 4: and how that'll ever change. 460 00:24:32,561 --> 00:24:35,761 Speaker 1: Brent, it's getting worse, mate, in my opinion, Like for me, 461 00:24:36,481 --> 00:24:38,801 Speaker 1: the one that really hear its me the most, and 462 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: this is pretty much one of the reasons that I 463 00:24:41,721 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: have feel like I had to skip away through. I'm 464 00:24:43,921 --> 00:24:46,361 Speaker 1: moving into compensation all by the way, but yeah, it's 465 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,681 Speaker 1: like the DV court mate. That's the most horrific thing 466 00:24:50,761 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm ever seeing. Like, and I'm sure like I'm not 467 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,281 Speaker 1: taking anything away from those that actually do obviously get 468 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,561 Speaker 1: you know the guy for people that do need orders 469 00:25:01,561 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: on them whatever, But oh no, it's absolutely necessary, but 470 00:25:05,041 --> 00:25:08,361 Speaker 1: over and above beyond what it should be. It's insane, 471 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,401 Speaker 1: Like it just these guys coming for consoles and they're 472 00:25:11,481 --> 00:25:14,481 Speaker 1: just normal nice dudes. No, I don't. I didn't see 473 00:25:14,521 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: this coming. I didn't even like Like. 474 00:25:18,761 --> 00:25:21,481 Speaker 4: When I was first arrested for this matter, I was 475 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,321 Speaker 4: obviously bail refused. I was picked up coming home from 476 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,521 Speaker 4: working the truck. It was all over the news, banging 477 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,121 Speaker 4: gang bang. Well I'm locked up three months. For a month, 478 00:25:29,201 --> 00:25:31,241 Speaker 4: I couldn't get a phone call. I had no idea 479 00:25:31,241 --> 00:25:31,601 Speaker 4: I was going. 480 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,161 Speaker 1: I was moved from watchhouse to watchhouse. 481 00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:36,041 Speaker 4: My family didn't even know I was arrested at first, 482 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 4: you know, until I've seen it on the news what 483 00:25:39,761 --> 00:25:44,481 Speaker 4: they can do and legally do it, you know, and 484 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,201 Speaker 4: get away at the next level. You know, the way 485 00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 4: the system structured is for you to fail. 486 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: It really is. 487 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,321 Speaker 4: It's it's a very very fine line. And thank god 488 00:26:00,481 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: there is some out there and I am grateful to 489 00:26:03,321 --> 00:26:07,481 Speaker 4: the Queensland Law today that's seen my case for what 490 00:26:07,561 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 4: it should have been. 491 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 5: Mate. 492 00:26:10,921 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 4: You know, like fuck, I gave everything. I'm one of 493 00:26:13,721 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: these people that if I'm wrong, I put my hand up. 494 00:26:15,681 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: I've never sat there and gone, you know, if I'm 495 00:26:18,321 --> 00:26:20,361 Speaker 4: guilty or something. Oh no, I'm not guilt, Like, why 496 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 4: the fuck would you just deal with it, cop it 497 00:26:21,961 --> 00:26:23,321 Speaker 4: on the chin. You're big enough to do the crime 498 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,801 Speaker 4: you did the time. That's easy in this case so 499 00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 4: far from the truth. But every angle possible that they 500 00:26:32,241 --> 00:26:36,961 Speaker 4: could have come at, they used financially, emotionally, my family, 501 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: my you know, my work, ankle bracelets, two and a 502 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,961 Speaker 4: half's reports and they just say you can't work like crazy? 503 00:26:44,761 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: M How how does you know? 504 00:26:47,281 --> 00:26:49,481 Speaker 4: How does that give you an opportunity or a chance 505 00:26:50,321 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 4: to fight for your right to freedom or the truth. 506 00:26:54,761 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like going back to the DV stuff, 507 00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: because that's really like guilty to proven innocent, you know, 508 00:27:02,761 --> 00:27:05,401 Speaker 1: like guys will have young guys have like a career 509 00:27:05,441 --> 00:27:09,681 Speaker 1: respirations and then just that been slept with that order. Yep, 510 00:27:09,761 --> 00:27:12,241 Speaker 1: that life is over now, like it's done, Like you're 511 00:27:12,961 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: just because of an accusation that may have little to 512 00:27:15,481 --> 00:27:20,481 Speaker 1: no evidence whatsoever, and then it's it's you know, and 513 00:27:20,561 --> 00:27:21,561 Speaker 1: the jails are full of it. 514 00:27:21,801 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: That That was what I was trying to say, Like 515 00:27:23,721 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 4: in the three months that I was in custody before. 516 00:27:26,201 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: I got my bail, I'd. 517 00:27:29,921 --> 00:27:31,321 Speaker 4: Done a lot of time when I was young and 518 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: rearly fourteen years, So for me, I understood. 519 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,321 Speaker 1: Where I was going to and how the system was. 520 00:27:36,481 --> 00:27:38,881 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I walked into what I went, 521 00:27:38,961 --> 00:27:40,961 Speaker 1: What the fuck where am I? What is this? 522 00:27:43,041 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 4: The caliber of krim if you will, or men in 523 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: there that was in custody, they were refused majority with 524 00:27:51,961 --> 00:27:56,961 Speaker 4: the DV and the majority were just little business heads. Yeah, 525 00:27:57,321 --> 00:28:01,001 Speaker 4: the average joe, Like they're not bad criminals or someone 526 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,761 Speaker 4: that's gone and done a stick up or you know, 527 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 4: harm somebody in a way. Don't get me wrong, there 528 00:28:05,441 --> 00:28:08,201 Speaker 4: was definitely people they're deserving. I'm not saying that I'm 529 00:28:08,321 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 4: all for it in that respect, like so to anybody 530 00:28:11,001 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 4: out there listening on pro not for it. But the 531 00:28:15,201 --> 00:28:18,761 Speaker 4: reality is, this is something that is just it's filling 532 00:28:18,801 --> 00:28:21,761 Speaker 4: the system, feeling the courts, feeling the jails, and it's 533 00:28:21,921 --> 00:28:22,801 Speaker 4: it's fucking odd. 534 00:28:23,321 --> 00:28:30,041 Speaker 1: It's almost like the way the courts and governance is 535 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: like it's a worthwhile sacrifice. These obviously men that are 536 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,801 Speaker 1: getting incarcerated when they should never have been there in 537 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: the first place, like it, or or those that are 538 00:28:38,361 --> 00:28:41,201 Speaker 1: you know, committing suicide because you know they've just had 539 00:28:41,841 --> 00:28:45,921 Speaker 1: like all their reputations are gone just because of an accusation. 540 00:28:46,121 --> 00:28:49,121 Speaker 1: Like it's like a worthwhile sacrifice just you help out. 541 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:52,761 Speaker 4: You know, well, a lot of them are like I said, 542 00:28:52,921 --> 00:28:55,921 Speaker 4: like they're like white colar people like you're every day 543 00:28:56,041 --> 00:29:00,361 Speaker 4: you know, well dressed business person who yes, whatever, you know, 544 00:29:00,681 --> 00:29:03,081 Speaker 4: we're not going to discuss what other people's businesses are. 545 00:29:03,161 --> 00:29:06,041 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you don't know, 546 00:29:06,721 --> 00:29:09,081 Speaker 4: we don't know the truth. There's always two sides of 547 00:29:09,121 --> 00:29:14,561 Speaker 4: the story, and you see it firsthand, and so you're 548 00:29:14,721 --> 00:29:18,241 Speaker 4: you you've taken it already to the point where you 549 00:29:18,401 --> 00:29:21,641 Speaker 4: feel that criminals probably not the path you're going to 550 00:29:21,921 --> 00:29:22,361 Speaker 4: go down. 551 00:29:23,841 --> 00:29:33,361 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I kind of it's definitely the opportunity 552 00:29:33,441 --> 00:29:35,481 Speaker 1: to be able to work in this job like early on, 553 00:29:35,881 --> 00:29:38,921 Speaker 1: like as an undergraduate and kind of immerse myself with 554 00:29:39,001 --> 00:29:45,041 Speaker 1: the law itself and figure out what I'm what's a 555 00:29:45,161 --> 00:29:48,801 Speaker 1: better suited for me, just obviously because of my business 556 00:29:48,841 --> 00:29:51,881 Speaker 1: degree that I have now and like I think litigation 557 00:29:52,121 --> 00:29:55,241 Speaker 1: was always it made sense to me, I think, like 558 00:29:56,681 --> 00:30:00,761 Speaker 1: just having that business knowledge and whatnot. But yeah, just 559 00:30:00,801 --> 00:30:03,161 Speaker 1: the injustice as well, I think is the thing Like 560 00:30:03,281 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: in I think at the end of the day, if 561 00:30:06,201 --> 00:30:08,641 Speaker 1: you're stressing a bit too much, you can't control. 562 00:30:10,201 --> 00:30:13,921 Speaker 4: And then so Therefore, how does it not become emotionally 563 00:30:14,001 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 4: invested into you? Because it does, And I don't care 564 00:30:16,801 --> 00:30:19,281 Speaker 4: what anybody says. I've seen it with my own eyes 565 00:30:19,321 --> 00:30:21,641 Speaker 4: over the year, and the downfall of some of the 566 00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:26,121 Speaker 4: greatest lawyers embarrasss that have just had too much. They 567 00:30:26,481 --> 00:30:29,361 Speaker 4: just break down and can't cope, and it affects their 568 00:30:29,401 --> 00:30:33,601 Speaker 4: personal life. It affects them. It isn't just taking on 569 00:30:33,721 --> 00:30:34,961 Speaker 4: a job, isn't. 570 00:30:35,641 --> 00:30:39,761 Speaker 1: No, that's not And then like to be a good lawyer, 571 00:30:40,081 --> 00:30:42,801 Speaker 1: like you've got to commit sixteen hours to your day 572 00:30:42,921 --> 00:30:45,961 Speaker 1: most days. Man like that. They live and breathe it 573 00:30:46,081 --> 00:30:49,521 Speaker 1: like they're working weekends, they go home and then there's 574 00:30:49,561 --> 00:30:51,481 Speaker 1: no balance for them, right, especially if they've got a 575 00:30:51,481 --> 00:30:55,081 Speaker 1: big meta coming up, Yeah. 576 00:30:55,641 --> 00:30:58,121 Speaker 4: Which then turns into a lot of alcohol and drunks. 577 00:30:58,281 --> 00:30:59,561 Speaker 4: That's a lot of them deal with it. 578 00:30:59,921 --> 00:31:02,641 Speaker 1: You know the worst. The other thing I thought about 579 00:31:02,721 --> 00:31:05,241 Speaker 1: the injustice is that like at the magistrate's court, lots 580 00:31:05,241 --> 00:31:07,521 Speaker 1: of interpretation of the magistrate. But as you go up 581 00:31:07,521 --> 00:31:09,921 Speaker 1: by to the high courts, like the rule of war 582 00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:11,241 Speaker 1: is the rule of war, and they got to start 583 00:31:11,241 --> 00:31:16,481 Speaker 1: to effect effect. But like you're saying, like like one 584 00:31:16,961 --> 00:31:19,361 Speaker 1: matter we had recently, like it just looks so clear 585 00:31:19,401 --> 00:31:21,801 Speaker 1: and cut. This is the way it was going to go. 586 00:31:22,721 --> 00:31:24,881 Speaker 1: We were walking and we see the magistrate and we're like, 587 00:31:25,041 --> 00:31:28,081 Speaker 1: oh god, no, no one asked I would have. I 588 00:31:28,081 --> 00:31:30,281 Speaker 1: would have, you know, like you just know, like you 589 00:31:30,401 --> 00:31:32,721 Speaker 1: just know the outcomes of each magistrate, nothing in each. 590 00:31:34,481 --> 00:31:37,921 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll leave that one there because we could go 591 00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 4: down the rabbit hole on that one. Even I think 592 00:31:39,881 --> 00:31:42,121 Speaker 4: we both know exactly where that would end up, so 593 00:31:42,761 --> 00:31:44,921 Speaker 4: we won't. We will step away from that. And now 594 00:31:45,081 --> 00:31:47,121 Speaker 4: I want to ask you before we sort of start 595 00:31:47,161 --> 00:31:50,761 Speaker 4: to wrap this up, where are your goals and what does. 596 00:31:50,681 --> 00:31:54,041 Speaker 1: Troy Pilch you want to achieve moving forward? Do we? 597 00:31:54,441 --> 00:31:54,561 Speaker 5: Well? 598 00:31:54,681 --> 00:31:58,121 Speaker 1: Men, I've been lucky enough to be offered another opportunity. 599 00:31:59,441 --> 00:32:04,521 Speaker 1: I'm working now with fair warning from Warming's compensation. Was 600 00:32:05,121 --> 00:32:08,201 Speaker 1: that from U from Brisbane. It's exciting for me because 601 00:32:08,201 --> 00:32:11,321 Speaker 1: obviously it's a lettergate. Now that's I think, I think 602 00:32:11,361 --> 00:32:13,081 Speaker 1: that's my passion. I'll spend a little bit less time 603 00:32:13,081 --> 00:32:15,401 Speaker 1: in court or significantly less, like it's not you're not 604 00:32:15,961 --> 00:32:19,121 Speaker 1: out there obviously dimensions and whatnot. And I think very 605 00:32:19,201 --> 00:32:23,641 Speaker 1: really it goes to courts because it's all decided beforehand, 606 00:32:23,641 --> 00:32:26,201 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of different steps along the way 607 00:32:26,201 --> 00:32:27,961 Speaker 1: you got to go to before it does get there. 608 00:32:28,841 --> 00:32:30,761 Speaker 1: But I like the idea of you know, you're kind 609 00:32:30,801 --> 00:32:37,641 Speaker 1: of betting for obviously another person. That's how you don't negotiate. 610 00:32:37,761 --> 00:32:47,001 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, I wish, But like it's it's 611 00:32:47,001 --> 00:32:48,681 Speaker 1: another person. It's like, you know, in one of the 612 00:32:48,721 --> 00:32:51,481 Speaker 1: worst area like times in their lives. Rather they're struggling 613 00:32:51,521 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: the vulnerable. You know, they're out of work because of 614 00:32:54,481 --> 00:32:56,281 Speaker 1: an injury that's out of the control. You know, they're 615 00:32:56,281 --> 00:32:57,961 Speaker 1: just trying to put food on the table for their family, 616 00:32:58,841 --> 00:33:01,521 Speaker 1: and you're taking, you're supporting a little bit taken on 617 00:33:01,561 --> 00:33:05,161 Speaker 1: the vegiturance company. So again that that fighting me like that, 618 00:33:05,841 --> 00:33:09,361 Speaker 1: that that excites me as well. So I'm jumped on 619 00:33:09,481 --> 00:33:11,761 Speaker 1: with this new firm and just a lot of young 620 00:33:11,921 --> 00:33:16,921 Speaker 1: hungry black mine my own just doing some all some 621 00:33:17,041 --> 00:33:19,961 Speaker 1: stuff mate, and the weapons to their guns. So I 622 00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:21,001 Speaker 1: love that. I love it. 623 00:33:21,281 --> 00:33:24,081 Speaker 4: And that's that that makes me happy hearing you say that, 624 00:33:24,161 --> 00:33:26,761 Speaker 4: because it shows how humble you are. You know, you're 625 00:33:26,801 --> 00:33:29,321 Speaker 4: not going in cocky, You're not going in there thinking 626 00:33:29,361 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 4: that you know, you're going to just knock this out. 627 00:33:31,081 --> 00:33:31,521 Speaker 1: Of the park. 628 00:33:32,241 --> 00:33:35,001 Speaker 4: You're a very humble man and you've accepted that, you 629 00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,881 Speaker 4: know you need to go back to the ground zero 630 00:33:38,081 --> 00:33:38,881 Speaker 4: and work your. 631 00:33:38,841 --> 00:33:39,401 Speaker 1: Way back up. 632 00:33:39,441 --> 00:33:40,881 Speaker 4: So I want to commend you on that. I think 633 00:33:40,921 --> 00:33:44,401 Speaker 4: that just shows who you are as a mate. Well done, 634 00:33:44,601 --> 00:33:46,641 Speaker 4: well done on that, and I think that it's a 635 00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:50,681 Speaker 4: fantastic opportunity for you in life. 636 00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:51,881 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 637 00:33:51,921 --> 00:33:54,601 Speaker 4: I'd love to talk further down the track and kicking 638 00:33:54,721 --> 00:33:57,881 Speaker 4: touch and I'm excited for you and where it leads 639 00:33:58,041 --> 00:34:02,121 Speaker 4: because I just feel that, you know, having the background 640 00:34:02,161 --> 00:34:05,601 Speaker 4: you've got, it makes sense in the direction you're heading. 641 00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:08,201 Speaker 4: You know, you're still fighting, so you have whilst it's 642 00:34:08,321 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 4: just like we talked about earlier, that void you've sort 643 00:34:10,641 --> 00:34:15,121 Speaker 4: of uh, well you feel that void. You've given yourself 644 00:34:15,241 --> 00:34:18,561 Speaker 4: that that drive and that's still that same mindset that 645 00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:20,681 Speaker 4: you would have to have every time you step into 646 00:34:20,721 --> 00:34:21,481 Speaker 4: that gym or the ring. 647 00:34:22,321 --> 00:34:22,561 Speaker 5: Yeah. 648 00:34:22,721 --> 00:34:25,561 Speaker 1: I mean even if I just gone to another job, 649 00:34:25,641 --> 00:34:30,681 Speaker 1: those that challenge that like the days that it was 650 00:34:30,721 --> 00:34:33,841 Speaker 1: faced with every day as a boxer, like I face 651 00:34:33,921 --> 00:34:37,081 Speaker 1: it again in another another area, right, like another another profession. 652 00:34:37,201 --> 00:34:39,761 Speaker 1: So just you just your average mundane job, just probably 653 00:34:39,801 --> 00:34:43,521 Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't suit me. But then, like I say, 654 00:34:43,561 --> 00:34:46,441 Speaker 1: I say to you Britain, I just think so many boxes, 655 00:34:46,641 --> 00:34:48,641 Speaker 1: especially at that level, are capable of it as well, 656 00:34:48,721 --> 00:34:51,281 Speaker 1: and and whatever whatever they're interested in that, and I 657 00:34:51,441 --> 00:34:53,681 Speaker 1: just really hope that it all they all listen right now, 658 00:34:53,801 --> 00:34:56,441 Speaker 1: but anyone listening right now in the same situation like 659 00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:58,681 Speaker 1: I like, I believe in it, you know, like just 660 00:34:58,801 --> 00:35:00,481 Speaker 1: like others believed in me. And I just hope that 661 00:35:01,361 --> 00:35:04,601 Speaker 1: you know, you start planning for that that time, you know, 662 00:35:04,681 --> 00:35:07,161 Speaker 1: when you that exit from the sport, whether it's whatever 663 00:35:07,201 --> 00:35:10,481 Speaker 1: sport it is, you're capable, You're like, you're smart enough, 664 00:35:10,521 --> 00:35:13,601 Speaker 1: you've got you've got there that you'd be where you 665 00:35:13,681 --> 00:35:16,481 Speaker 1: are now. I thought if you didn't have those attributes here, 666 00:35:16,601 --> 00:35:17,521 Speaker 1: so great one. 667 00:35:17,921 --> 00:35:20,641 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But I'm going to ask you before we 668 00:35:20,761 --> 00:35:24,241 Speaker 4: end this because it's important and I drop it on 669 00:35:24,321 --> 00:35:25,161 Speaker 4: every one of my guests. 670 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:28,201 Speaker 1: I want to two of your best. 671 00:35:28,081 --> 00:35:30,161 Speaker 4: Tools in life to be able to leave in our 672 00:35:30,241 --> 00:35:33,521 Speaker 4: digital toolbox, because each episode we ask our guests for 673 00:35:33,601 --> 00:35:35,641 Speaker 4: two tools that at the end of each season of 674 00:35:35,761 --> 00:35:38,721 Speaker 4: ten episodes, you've got twenty tools to give to somebody 675 00:35:38,801 --> 00:35:41,561 Speaker 4: out there that may feel that they're not worthy or 676 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:44,521 Speaker 4: can't achieve something in life that you know they always 677 00:35:44,641 --> 00:35:46,641 Speaker 4: dreamed of, but self that they could never reach the 678 00:35:46,721 --> 00:35:49,641 Speaker 4: pinnacle or get to that point of the start of it. 679 00:35:50,641 --> 00:35:53,361 Speaker 4: What would try filcher leave behind is two? 680 00:35:53,601 --> 00:35:58,161 Speaker 1: I want two of your best. The first one I 681 00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:01,881 Speaker 1: think is that you can never you can never get 682 00:36:01,961 --> 00:36:05,641 Speaker 1: through anything alone. I think I think God, whether it's 683 00:36:05,681 --> 00:36:07,361 Speaker 1: your friend or your mentals or whatever, you've got to 684 00:36:07,761 --> 00:36:09,561 Speaker 1: not speak them, but you got to acknowledge when they're 685 00:36:09,561 --> 00:36:11,321 Speaker 1: there into in your life and you've got to nature 686 00:36:11,321 --> 00:36:14,641 Speaker 1: that relationship. I think that's it's so important, Like that's it. 687 00:36:15,001 --> 00:36:18,001 Speaker 1: That's just networking, really, I guess, but like it's more 688 00:36:18,041 --> 00:36:21,001 Speaker 1: than that, Like you're never going to be able to 689 00:36:21,041 --> 00:36:24,001 Speaker 1: get the out of line. So it's just recognizing those 690 00:36:24,081 --> 00:36:27,521 Speaker 1: that want the bear fear and and like they're encouraging 691 00:36:27,521 --> 00:36:29,241 Speaker 1: you to a bit bring the best ones that breasted 692 00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:31,641 Speaker 1: out of yourself as well, so they'll probably be the 693 00:36:31,681 --> 00:36:35,201 Speaker 1: first thing. It's just recognizing those influential people that are 694 00:36:35,241 --> 00:36:38,641 Speaker 1: doing things that want the best fear. The second one 695 00:36:40,921 --> 00:36:43,721 Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if it's a talker sae, 696 00:36:43,841 --> 00:36:45,121 Speaker 1: but I think you just got to go out and 697 00:36:45,841 --> 00:36:48,041 Speaker 1: and face those challenges. You got to find them like, yeah, 698 00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:49,681 Speaker 1: it's that that's just how you grow, That's how you 699 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:53,761 Speaker 1: become stronger. That's just take those losses. You just got 700 00:36:53,841 --> 00:36:57,161 Speaker 1: to You got to really like seek what's outside of 701 00:36:57,321 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: your comfort zone in the trenches. Indeed, that's just having 702 00:37:01,401 --> 00:37:03,761 Speaker 1: It's the only way you're going to You're Goanna, C're 703 00:37:03,801 --> 00:37:07,001 Speaker 1: going to grow and get better and yeah, and strengthen 704 00:37:07,041 --> 00:37:10,041 Speaker 1: your life. Up with you, Well, brother, I must say 705 00:37:10,481 --> 00:37:11,801 Speaker 1: I'm really inspired. 706 00:37:11,881 --> 00:37:14,441 Speaker 4: I've enjoyed and I hope that everybody out there has 707 00:37:14,481 --> 00:37:17,361 Speaker 4: gotten something out of this fantastic opportunity to have this 708 00:37:17,521 --> 00:37:20,841 Speaker 4: conversation with you today on the clink. Thank you very 709 00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:24,281 Speaker 4: much for your time. Wish you nothing but the greatest 710 00:37:24,321 --> 00:37:27,841 Speaker 4: in success. And I truly believe that whatever you put 711 00:37:27,881 --> 00:37:30,401 Speaker 4: your mind to, you will be. And I can see 712 00:37:30,401 --> 00:37:32,521 Speaker 4: it in your eyes when we talk, and the smile 713 00:37:32,601 --> 00:37:35,401 Speaker 4: on your face, the passion is there, and you know, 714 00:37:36,481 --> 00:37:40,001 Speaker 4: it's a beautiful thing. It really is, because as we 715 00:37:40,121 --> 00:37:43,241 Speaker 4: both know, life can be cruel and it can knock 716 00:37:43,241 --> 00:37:45,881 Speaker 4: a man down. It's about how you get back up. 717 00:37:45,961 --> 00:37:47,881 Speaker 4: And you know, I always ask my children, just be 718 00:37:47,921 --> 00:37:50,361 Speaker 4: one percent better every day and I think you know 719 00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:51,561 Speaker 4: you're the living. 720 00:37:51,401 --> 00:37:51,881 Speaker 1: Proof of that. 721 00:37:52,201 --> 00:37:55,321 Speaker 4: Just key chipping away at it and you're doing it mate. 722 00:37:55,401 --> 00:37:59,641 Speaker 4: So I want to say, well done, keep inspiring, and 723 00:37:59,801 --> 00:38:02,121 Speaker 4: thank you so much for giving your time to share 724 00:38:02,201 --> 00:38:04,561 Speaker 4: your journey with others out there today. And most of all, 725 00:38:05,121 --> 00:38:09,401 Speaker 4: Shoe and your family are very merry Christmas, buddy, and yeah, 726 00:38:09,481 --> 00:38:12,321 Speaker 4: I really do. And look, please let's get together and 727 00:38:12,401 --> 00:38:15,161 Speaker 4: have a coffee. And as I said, if you ever 728 00:38:15,281 --> 00:38:18,361 Speaker 4: need somebody to be in your corner, legally. 729 00:38:21,961 --> 00:38:24,961 Speaker 1: Brown always here. If I get grow up by the 730 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:28,161 Speaker 1: magistrate of I'll get your call out. I get through it. 731 00:38:28,841 --> 00:38:31,881 Speaker 1: Just give me a quick call. We'll find another back 732 00:38:31,961 --> 00:38:35,561 Speaker 1: door somewhere. Yeah, same same few brand. Man, you're in time. 733 00:38:36,001 --> 00:38:39,361 Speaker 1: You're doing some great stuff. Thank community everywhere and just 734 00:38:39,481 --> 00:38:41,601 Speaker 1: bringing their message for those that really need it. You know, 735 00:38:41,801 --> 00:38:44,681 Speaker 1: so awesome work. Might keep it up and again send 736 00:38:44,761 --> 00:38:48,841 Speaker 1: your mirror Christmas. There you go, guyschre Pilcher. What a legend. 737 00:38:49,561 --> 00:38:52,401 Speaker 4: Look, I think a phenomenal story. He's in the fight, 738 00:38:52,521 --> 00:38:55,241 Speaker 4: and he's in the fight for the long time, long term. Sorry, 739 00:38:55,321 --> 00:38:58,361 Speaker 4: and you know, from the ring to the courtrooms, how 740 00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:01,321 Speaker 4: much more could you want? And I want to thank 741 00:39:01,481 --> 00:39:04,321 Speaker 4: everybody who's tuned in today and everybody to tongue in 742 00:39:04,361 --> 00:39:06,601 Speaker 4: there this year supported the Clink over the last four 743 00:39:06,641 --> 00:39:09,681 Speaker 4: and a half years, well over five million downloads. We 744 00:39:09,841 --> 00:39:12,721 Speaker 4: are the OG of the true crime podcast in Australia. 745 00:39:12,721 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 4: I'm very proud of that, and a big shout out 746 00:39:15,441 --> 00:39:18,281 Speaker 4: everyone that gets in and has a dig. I commend 747 00:39:18,321 --> 00:39:20,721 Speaker 4: you on the hard road and the long road, and 748 00:39:20,841 --> 00:39:23,161 Speaker 4: it isn't easy. But to those that are hanging in there, 749 00:39:23,401 --> 00:39:26,681 Speaker 4: well done and good luck on your journeys. To everybody listening, 750 00:39:27,521 --> 00:39:30,481 Speaker 4: Happy Holidays, to those that don't celebrate Christmas, to all 751 00:39:30,561 --> 00:39:33,641 Speaker 4: the Islamic brothers and sisters out there that listen, to 752 00:39:33,761 --> 00:39:37,961 Speaker 4: anybody out there who does, Merry Christmas and wishing you 753 00:39:38,041 --> 00:39:40,921 Speaker 4: are very happy and safe holidays. And from my family 754 00:39:41,001 --> 00:39:44,881 Speaker 4: to yours, I wish you nothing but a wonderful festive season. 755 00:39:45,001 --> 00:39:45,521 Speaker 1: Be safe. 756 00:39:45,921 --> 00:39:49,041 Speaker 4: And also, just before I finish, I just want to 757 00:39:49,121 --> 00:39:53,121 Speaker 4: pass my prayers and condolences on to all the Australians 758 00:39:53,441 --> 00:39:57,081 Speaker 4: that passed recently in one of the most horrific massacres 759 00:39:57,121 --> 00:39:57,841 Speaker 4: that we've ever seen. 760 00:39:58,361 --> 00:40:01,641 Speaker 2: I'll leave it on that note fort a record, don't 761 00:40:01,641 --> 00:40:05,481 Speaker 2: try and make you out comfortableokta record, I grow down 762 00:40:05,521 --> 00:40:08,241 Speaker 2: the store for you. That's right for the record, live 763 00:40:08,321 --> 00:40:11,081 Speaker 2: on me, going all the way way for the record. 764 00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:13,921 Speaker 2: Ain't trying to link, No, trying to wait stop all day. 765 00:40:13,801 --> 00:40:19,361 Speaker 3: For the record, for the record, for the for the record, 766 00:40:20,361 --> 00:40:20,961 Speaker 3: for the record. 767 00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:24,241 Speaker 2: Yea for the record for the record. 768 00:40:28,041 --> 00:40:35,841 Speaker 4: Yeah mhm