Speaker 1: Approche Production.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the
Speaker 2: Muscle coumments. You've probably heard about the last King of
Speaker 2: the Cross, John Abraham.
Speaker 1: Mister Ibrahim, You've been described as the King of the Cross.
Speaker 1: Behind every king stands a loyal soldier.
Speaker 2: Their job is to make sure that that king stays
Speaker 2: on the throne. I am that soldier, and in this episode,
Speaker 2: I speak to Sydney Underground mc forte about coming up
Speaker 2: in the Australian hip hop scene and brushing souldiers with
Speaker 2: the international superstars like Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1: I was saying something that the typical pussy hip hop
Speaker 1: Rappa wasn't saying. No one really said to my face,
Speaker 1: So you're a fuck. He's on his BlackBerry and don't
Speaker 1: want to go Snoop Shock. People are pulling out samurai
Speaker 1: swords and hammers in the car park and fuckinging tailed
Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes walks in the room, Nellie walks in the room.
Speaker 1: Fout Joe the game. Everyone's in this fucking room, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got this opportunity. I need ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and he's like, you should be speaking on the phone.
Speaker 2: Please to meet him. We'll start off with your growing up,
Speaker 2: your family and all like that.
Speaker 1: I'm from Western Sydney. I was born in Westmead, so
Speaker 1: born and born and raised in West Sydney run the
Speaker 1: heart of it. At times we lived in like caravan parks.
Speaker 1: There was like I got a little memory of that
Speaker 1: when I was in like Blacktown and stuff. Eventually we
Speaker 1: moved to Housing Commissioning Prospect. My early years were spent there.
Speaker 1: I was only there a couple of years. But then
Speaker 1: my mom was raised by a single mom. I never
Speaker 1: met my dad, so was that hard? You don't miss
Speaker 1: what you don't have, suppose, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like I remember being on a bus once
Speaker 1: kids and I was talking about their dad, their dad,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't have a dad, and
Speaker 1: they're like everyone has a dad. I said, I don't
Speaker 1: have a dad, So like in my head, I didn't
Speaker 1: have a day. So it wasn't it was It wasn't hard,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Probably the better.
Speaker 2: Hat did you want to find it tough though? With
Speaker 2: not having someone there to help with your keeping.
Speaker 1: And all that. I think she found it tougher when
Speaker 1: he was there because he used to bash but she
Speaker 1: actually had the flea and hired with us for a
Speaker 1: number of years because he was threatening the killer. It's
Speaker 1: very abusive and threatened to burn the house down and
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So how old you? And that
Speaker 1: was that man? I don't remember any of it, so
Speaker 1: that would have been one, two three. I mean, have
Speaker 1: you got brothers and sisters? I got two half brothers
Speaker 1: I never met, and I've got a half sister that's
Speaker 1: much younger than me. You get on with them, yeah,
Speaker 1: still to this day. The first ones i've never met
Speaker 1: Mark half sister to different father. But yeah, yeah, same mum.
Speaker 1: No problems there. But I really grew up it was
Speaker 1: pretty just much me, my mom, and my grandma. Never
Speaker 1: had a big family. I had a couple of cousins
Speaker 1: I met, but I was always very small, very small family,
Speaker 1: which sometimes can be a good thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Actually, like how I got broad because I've got I
Speaker 2: had no brothers and sisters, and I was just a
Speaker 2: loner with maybe i'd just had a few mates. I
Speaker 2: used to hang out with my mom and dad, mostly
Speaker 2: my dad, but then it was just almost my grandparents,
Speaker 2: my grandparents, my grandparents, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And my granddad died two weeks before I was born.
Speaker 1: My grandma was always the one that she raised me
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, and then my half sister, she was
Speaker 1: born when I was thirty eight, So that was the
Speaker 1: perfect time for me to use that as a distraction
Speaker 1: and yeah, get up to whatever I was getting up to,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, but we started
Speaker 1: off in the in the Housing Commission for a few years.
Speaker 1: I don't think my mom realized what housing Commission was.
Speaker 1: She just knew it was like cheaper, affordable housing. And
Speaker 1: I think once she got there, she worked her urs
Speaker 1: off to get us out of there. Yeah, but she didn't.
Speaker 1: We only moved two blocks away. Really yeah, with too
Speaker 1: proper housing. But like, yeah, yeah, I'd already built my
Speaker 1: little foundation of people that I knew, but not like
Speaker 1: I was always frequenting it. But within the next you know,
Speaker 1: ten twenty years, I was always passing through that I knew.
Speaker 1: Once you meet people as a kid, some of them
Speaker 1: must still speak to today or bump into randomly, Like
Speaker 1: one guy I bumped into it the footy like two
Speaker 1: years ago. It was my next door neighbor. Because I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him since. We've been about eight years old.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you remember, I remember you because you was
Speaker 1: obsessed with knives, like just yeah, it's just like it's
Speaker 1: funny how far things come. But yeah, we moved away,
Speaker 1: but I don't we moved. We did move far enough away,
Speaker 1: but there was you know, we're still close enough to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. The thing was when you're when you were young,
Speaker 1: kids used to really look down on people from the
Speaker 1: Housing Commission. It's like, oh, you're from the houses or
Speaker 1: you're from the houses. I think they probably still do.
Speaker 1: You know, kids are kids, that's what they do. But
Speaker 1: there came a time when sort of being from the
Speaker 1: houses was cool, you know, I think it was, but
Speaker 1: that was probably like twenty years later. But schools, all right,
Speaker 1: I was a bit of a naughty kid. I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was you kids being a kid. Yeah, breaks from rocks
Speaker 1: at cars, that's a good stuff like that. What else is?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I remember when when the
Speaker 1: commission I used to I used to freeze water bombs,
Speaker 1: so just fucking big icicles and hiding the bushes and
Speaker 1: wait for the bus to come through the Housing Commission
Speaker 1: safe to say they canceled the bus route. But looking back,
Speaker 1: that was very stupid because like, fuck, there could have
Speaker 1: been old ladies on the bus, Like you don't think
Speaker 1: about that as a kid, but like, but to this
Speaker 1: day they don't run buses through. They've still got the
Speaker 1: bus stops as a memento. And it was only a
Speaker 1: short distance. It was like but like we had fun
Speaker 1: all to do, rolling car time down the hill. There
Speaker 1: was this big steep hill that went onto the main
Speaker 1: That's something that ship I just remember doing as a kid.
Speaker 1: What else are you going to do? Like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: this probably hope elves she could do. But fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: mis mischiesus if kids fucking from broken homes.
Speaker 2: And especially when you're living in that kind of condition
Speaker 2: them too, and you just really you're looking for just
Speaker 2: a way out and something to do. And you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, the mischief is the the way of life,
Speaker 2: because that's that's why I remember when I was in England,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, a lot of my mates
Speaker 2: lived in housing commissions and the thing is that there's
Speaker 2: not much else to do because in them on them
Speaker 2: a states, they don't give you the privileges what other
Speaker 2: states have got to do for kids, so the kids
Speaker 2: don't find anything to do but fucking get up to mischief.
Speaker 1: Right and having fun. Not been too serious, but you know,
Speaker 1: what's your first job? First job? My first legit paycheck
Speaker 1: that I ever got was on wrapping on Fat Pizza Alive.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, there was a show like they I used
Speaker 1: to go to this house. We used to always go
Speaker 1: smoke bombs at this house is one guy. You know
Speaker 1: when you're young, there's always that one house. Their parents
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck that let all the kids coming straight.
Speaker 1: So we'd go there and he had this newspaper clipping.
Speaker 1: He's like, look, Fat Pizza are looking for rappers blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. So I made an application and then they go, Okay,
Speaker 1: come do an audition. Boom boom boom. Did it and
Speaker 1: then the guy goes, you know you want the top
Speaker 1: ones blah blah blah. So wait for a call. So
Speaker 1: I went and gave me a call and goes, all right,
Speaker 1: you're in, And I was like, fuck, I'm in. But
Speaker 1: I didn't really think. I didn't want to like think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in until that happened. I'm like that, especially in
Speaker 1: the music industry, you get a lot, a lot of yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that yet, but this was probably
Speaker 1: one of the first. Then they rang one day while
Speaker 1: I was driving around. They're like, sorry, man, we had
Speaker 1: to cut ya. So I'm like, fuck, all right, live
Speaker 1: with that. Then on the day of the show, because
Speaker 1: it was Fat Pizza Live, it was actually filmed live
Speaker 1: in the SPS studio, I get a call. They're going,
Speaker 1: we've got these rappers here, none of them I got
Speaker 1: their shit together. Can you just come down and try
Speaker 1: and help them? So I'm like, all right, I already
Speaker 1: had my wrap root because it was you know, Gangster's Paradise. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So they wanted one called Anglo's Paradise, which I already had,
Speaker 1: Like I wrote it in my head. I just took
Speaker 1: the words and changed it. So I fucking I get
Speaker 1: to this studio and they're like, I'm seeing how it's
Speaker 1: working and seeing these guys wrapping, and I'm just going
Speaker 1: up to all the main guys. I'm going, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I'll fucking wrap this shit. I've got my ship ready,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Worrying about these can't started, all right.
Speaker 1: So I went around enough whether that someone goes, all right,
Speaker 1: give this guy a shot. Boom, they did a dry run.
Speaker 1: I get up there, I did it, and then I
Speaker 1: just went and sat down, and ten minutes later I
Speaker 1: seen him Paul Finch or fine, yeah, yeah, I seen
Speaker 1: him talking to this wrapper in the corner and the
Speaker 1: guy just put his head down. So like, they booted
Speaker 1: this guy off, and they go, you're the one. Actually
Speaker 1: booted two of them off, but they put one at
Speaker 1: the Star, which end up being a made of mine
Speaker 1: later on, and then kicked this other one off. So
Speaker 1: I was on. So that's how I got on there,
Speaker 1: and they paid me for that, and that was my
Speaker 1: first legit paycheck. And then probably fuck, I don't even
Speaker 1: know how old I was. I must have been twenty
Speaker 1: or something. And then at twenty one, I went and
Speaker 1: worked in a factory because Santelink made your work. Yeah
Speaker 1: go by, yeah, tie, you fucking get the job. So
Speaker 1: I got this job, and I was like fucking I
Speaker 1: got in there, and then about a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: one of my mates, one of my good mates to
Speaker 1: this day, he got in there too, so I was like,
Speaker 1: at least I got someone. And I was like pickpacking
Speaker 1: in a factory but I'll just fuck around, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You got this electric palette jack, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was doing stupid shit. I was getting like dishwashing,
Speaker 1: detergent putting at the end of the old watching cuns
Speaker 1: come around the corner and stuck into the wall. You
Speaker 1: used to have to stack these palettes. Mine looked like
Speaker 1: the fucking Eiffel Tower. They'd always have to restack it. Like.
Speaker 1: I wasn't made for work, and I was. I didn't
Speaker 1: care if I got fired. I was just fucking trolling
Speaker 1: it long. Then my mate that came to work with me,
Speaker 1: he ended up having a motor cycle accident. He was
Speaker 1: all right, but he broke his back. He's all right
Speaker 1: to this day. And then after he left, it was
Speaker 1: news came up and I just said, fucking I'm not
Speaker 1: going back. I'm not going back to put out my
Speaker 1: first mixtape because I was working on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was hard to like wake up at four am,
Speaker 1: you get home at two, you just want to go
Speaker 1: by six o'clock. Like I saught, I had it half done.
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm not going back to I do it,
Speaker 1: got it out and just fucking just kept the rolling sense.
Speaker 2: When did you when did you What age were you
Speaker 2: when you probably wanted to try doing wrap? Did you
Speaker 2: just come home with do you used to do it
Speaker 2: on the ways? Were all just mess them around in
Speaker 2: your house? How did you come across.
Speaker 1: Just the year two thousand? I fucking see. The thing
Speaker 1: was there was no Ausi rapp like there was Ausie rappers.
Speaker 1: There wasn't like YouTube where you could look it up.
Speaker 1: And I found out the history about Aussie rappers like
Speaker 1: years after, not before, So like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just I changed schools at year eleven. So I finished school.
Speaker 1: But at year eleven all my close mates had been
Speaker 1: kicked out and they pretty much asked me to leave.
Speaker 1: They said, look, if you don't, you're going to be
Speaker 1: out of here, and they're probably half right, and I
Speaker 1: was just so I go, fucking I own changed schools.
Speaker 1: I changed schools, and I didn't like. I made a
Speaker 1: couple of friends, but it was like, just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not an outgoing person. So by the end of
Speaker 1: the year, I had a couple of friends, but not
Speaker 1: like friends that you grew up with over the years.
Speaker 1: So I spent a lot of time by myself and
Speaker 1: I used to have to catch two buses to go
Speaker 1: to school. So I talked this like a method man
Speaker 1: rap was like a wu tang rap, and I just
Speaker 1: changed the words a bit and made it my own
Speaker 1: and I'll just be fine myself. Just just kept doing that,
Speaker 1: and then eventually I came up my own stuff. And
Speaker 1: it's to be honest, I don't even It's just because
Speaker 1: I had all that spare time and I was just
Speaker 1: sitting around. I wasn't you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: go fit in with this group or fit in with
Speaker 1: that group. And I fucking I'd already had like a
Speaker 1: bit of a fight when I got to the school.
Speaker 1: I fucking I was trying to sell this phone. It
Speaker 1: was like a sixty one ten or something maybe in
Speaker 1: a dumb kind of left it in my bag. They
Speaker 1: used to go around the back smoke cigarettes. I went
Speaker 1: around the back and this cunt fucking I went back
Speaker 1: to my bag. I was like, fuck, my phone's going well.
Speaker 1: Then the bell went went to class and sometime goes, well,
Speaker 1: I know who did it. It was this guy blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm like, all right, So I fucking I
Speaker 1: got made sure. I got out of my period a
Speaker 1: bit early. And I fucking put my headphones on get
Speaker 1: myself up, and I waited. As soon as he fucking
Speaker 1: came out of the classroom, I just fuck stuck this cunt.
Speaker 1: And then his mates tried to grab me. I fucking
Speaker 1: frill bin and blah blah blah, all right, send everyone
Speaker 1: to the principal's offers. Fucking got my phone back because
Speaker 1: he was still in his bag. One of these guys
Speaker 1: stole my phone. Boll got my phone back. But I
Speaker 1: was like, so I wasn't. I wasn't really making friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But like, at the same time,
Speaker 1: in that way, a few people like gravitated towards me
Speaker 1: because I like, oh, this guy's fucking who'll have a go.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't trying to make friends, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I wasn't really athletic. So you had
Speaker 1: like the footballers, and you had all different nationals. Mostly
Speaker 1: your friends are out of school. All my friends are
Speaker 1: out of school. Basically, you know, there's not anyone that
Speaker 1: I talked to this day from that school. If I
Speaker 1: up in tour, maybe how you going same one or
Speaker 1: two of them, But no one I got close with.
Speaker 1: All my friends are definitely out of school. I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to get out of school to go back to
Speaker 1: the area see what the boys are doing it, which
Speaker 1: wasn't much, you know what I mean. So you still
Speaker 1: got back to the area now, Yeah, I still go back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every time I go back. Not as many people around
Speaker 1: as there used to be. Yeah, probably seriously, probably only
Speaker 1: like one of my clothes mates still lives in that area.
Speaker 1: Like they've spread out a bit, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because I grew up in Prospect, but I also lived
Speaker 1: in Mount Draw at Blacktown, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's a wide area. So I've still got lots
Speaker 1: of friends spread out through Lalor Park, Seven Hills, Blacktown.
Speaker 1: But like as time goes on, no one really stays
Speaker 1: there unless they have to.
Speaker 2: What about what about when you put when you're writing
Speaker 2: things down for a rape? When was the first time
Speaker 2: you actually performed it for someone? I'm not saying like
Speaker 2: performed it on stage, but actually, like, were you're confident
Speaker 2: to do it in front of your people that you like,
Speaker 2: your friends?
Speaker 1: How would you? How would you do it to see?
Speaker 1: Is this any good? But did you just know it
Speaker 1: was good? I don't know. I wasn't confident, but I'd
Speaker 1: like I'd show people. People would see what are you
Speaker 1: doing writing, Oh, I'll show you. And no one really
Speaker 1: said to my face you're a A couple of my
Speaker 1: mate said years later, we thought you were a fucking
Speaker 1: I used to like we used to go to we
Speaker 1: used to be at a prospect pub right and sit
Speaker 1: in the car with me. It was basically these two
Speaker 1: brothers grew up with these Lebanese brothers, and it'd be
Speaker 1: me them, it would be me, and always a fourth
Speaker 1: person went interchange, whether that was the driver or something
Speaker 1: like we hung out like years and it always like
Speaker 1: that fourth person would change that ever it's too much
Speaker 1: for them or something, and like people would come and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, we always thought you were a foy
Speaker 1: in the car right, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: But no one ever said it to me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like if they did, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it would have deterred me or pushed me harder.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not really like I don't like getting
Speaker 1: pats on the back. I don't think that really ever
Speaker 1: helped me. I think like doubt helped me more than yeah,
Speaker 1: people going oh that's great, Like I think I'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'd rather someone goes that was fucking ship
Speaker 1: then okay, so and that's if I really want to
Speaker 1: do it. But yeah, yeah, no one, no one. If
Speaker 1: they did say something was behind my back, it was
Speaker 1: never to my fad.
Speaker 2: So when was the first time you actually, like, say,
Speaker 2: you've wrote something, you finished it, and you want to
Speaker 2: express it and say it.
Speaker 1: Did you did you? Did you do it to anybody?
Speaker 1: Your friends or you? Just? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess when did you know that you wanted to
Speaker 2: fucking I want to that's wort to hear this.
Speaker 1: I just I guess it was. I guess from the start.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like I was trying to go around
Speaker 1: to everyone. Did you know what you wanted to be
Speaker 1: a rappident or do you want to try it? Or
Speaker 1: was it just doing it write down because singing back,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't seriously. I was just like
Speaker 1: I started doing something. You still have them? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: still know some of them. I've got boxes and boxes
Speaker 1: of fucking shoe boxes full of ship, you know.
Speaker 2: But would you write things that were on your mind
Speaker 2: back then? Yeah, what you were going through? Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, it was more trying to get a flow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to say you know what I mean, because you
Speaker 2: could basically say anything if you put in a flow.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's what sort of gets people some of
Speaker 2: the bigger songs than not even saying nothing. But then
Speaker 2: some of the things I didn't have, look I had
Speaker 2: now thinking back.
Speaker 1: I did. I have a bit of life experience, but
Speaker 1: nothing compared to the ten years that followed, you know
Speaker 1: I mean, And I guess that's where I developed my style.
Speaker 1: In those like so I sort of learned to rap,
Speaker 1: and then all the events happened, ye, which was good
Speaker 1: because I always had something to talk about. I think
Speaker 1: that's the problem with a lot of artists, like a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that wrap it. A lot
Speaker 1: of people like to rap about rapping. To me, that's
Speaker 1: the most fucking boring shit in the world. But do
Speaker 1: do do? Yeah, he gives a fuck. You got to
Speaker 1: say something or have a story or something to really
Speaker 1: be heartfelt that you feel.
Speaker 2: Because I actually I actually listened to some of your
Speaker 2: some of your songs, A lot of them have got
Speaker 2: to do with cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. So I'm gathering that you've had our time
Speaker 1: with the cops. It's a common theme. Yeah, common theme.
Speaker 1: And then some of it was to do with drugs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also a common thing.
Speaker 2: Is that is that because so we'll start the cops.
Speaker 2: Is because they probably got a hard time and you're
Speaker 2: grown up. Yeah, we'll gone through hot time. Well, usually
Speaker 2: the drugs brings the cops.
Speaker 1: Well I was going to get I was going to
Speaker 1: get to that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, which one you want to start with them?
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with the drugs because across the road
Speaker 1: for me, it was like a drug dealer and fucking
Speaker 1: I think back about it now, Hold are you then?
Speaker 1: I bought my first bit of weed when I was
Speaker 1: twelve years old from a bloke there was probably forty five. Now,
Speaker 1: when I think back on that, I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, so you would he
Speaker 1: would just sell to you, knowing it was for you.
Speaker 1: I went to the or not having in foil, got
Speaker 1: the money and put the twenty through, give me the
Speaker 1: fucking thing, and this was there was a dealer there,
Speaker 1: and this was the dealer's that so fuck he must
Speaker 1: have been forty plus. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think back on that years later, I was
Speaker 1: twelve hell old. Could I have fucking looked? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you fucking sold to me and your dirty count and
Speaker 1: they were selling fucking LSD and pills and all sorts
Speaker 1: of shit. Which is this on the estate? You've grown up?
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, in the estate. And I'd moved out,
Speaker 1: but I still knew where to get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I had a mate that still
Speaker 1: lived there. His dad would have flogged the fuck out
Speaker 1: of him if he found out he was there, So
Speaker 1: he'd give me the money and I'd fucking go get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a good partnership. No, no, really,
Speaker 1: very he's that guy's like very religious these Days's a
Speaker 1: lot of respects to him. It's funny how the past.
Speaker 1: But and I looked back on that so, like I
Speaker 1: learned a lot by seeing that drugs was a common thing.
Speaker 1: I remember, just remember one day the neighbor had a
Speaker 1: fuck and domestic and he must have been sleeping with
Speaker 1: the lady across the road and she got upset and
Speaker 1: came back and I don't know, that was a big
Speaker 1: domestic and then she threw this fucking bag on his
Speaker 1: fucking lawn and it was just full of syringers. And
Speaker 1: I was just a young kid, and look, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this is the sort of thing I'm surrounded by. Like lucky,
Speaker 1: I was young enough to like, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: old enough to get involved in it, but like they're
Speaker 1: your neighbors. Yeah, basically, you know, I wouldn't say it
Speaker 1: was a fucking the roughest place, Like I don't feel
Speaker 1: like it was the roughest place. But it had a
Speaker 1: lot of issues, oh of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as that emotionally fucking scarred you a little bit,
Speaker 2: or you got yours just what.
Speaker 1: It is, what it is, I think it gave me
Speaker 1: a good, good head start into not being sheltered by
Speaker 1: that life, you know what I mean, because I had
Speaker 1: a good mum. Yeah, I think maybe if I had
Speaker 1: a fucking I think if my mum was from the
Speaker 1: syringers on the lawn, it might have been a bit
Speaker 1: different for me. But like, I had a good mum.
Speaker 1: She was oblivious to us moving to this place, and
Speaker 1: if she knew that shit was gonna happen, she would
Speaker 1: never have taken us there. And that's not that's just
Speaker 1: small things, but like, ah, it's people drunk and smashing glasses.
Speaker 1: You had all these alleyways connecting. Oh he's can'ts yelling
Speaker 1: and yeah it's not where you really want to bring
Speaker 1: up your kids, you know?
Speaker 2: So when so when when did you?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Now you now you've established that you're writing, how do
Speaker 2: you start? How do you start? Well, that's the thing,
Speaker 2: how do you get yourself out there?
Speaker 1: There's his bloke you might know him mc losty. He
Speaker 1: used to host a home nightclub. Yeah yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: he was like the only person and the whole of
Speaker 1: Blacktown that I knew that wrapped. So we used to
Speaker 1: get the karaoke machine with download the fucking instrumentals off
Speaker 1: Napster fucking slow thing and fucking put them in the thing,
Speaker 1: put a Cassettian pressure record and were just freestyle. So
Speaker 1: he taught me how to freestyle. He said, this is
Speaker 1: what you've got to do, and I talked to it
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Before that, I was just writing. So now
Speaker 1: we're doing it off the top of our head. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. We used to do that probably once a week.
Speaker 1: I've still got the tapes. I've still got like a
Speaker 1: box full of tapes. Wouldn't listen to him? Why no?
Speaker 1: Because I remember I put one in about ten years
Speaker 1: after the fuck this is a while ago now, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, what the fuck is you know?
Speaker 1: So I was like, he's really got me on the
Speaker 1: freestyle thing. And then the movie eight Mile came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, He's like, I want to start a MC
Speaker 1: battle bh blah blah blah. So a Greenwood Hotel and
Speaker 1: amities we started doing these freestyle nights called Newfunk. I
Speaker 1: end up going down the first three weeks. I won.
Speaker 1: I was the winner three weeks in and that was
Speaker 1: the only way for me to get on stage was
Speaker 1: open mics or to battle. So my early days was
Speaker 1: like more training to battle. I mean, this is when
Speaker 1: you'd rock up. You wouldn't know who the fuck's coming.
Speaker 1: Do you get anything for winning? Oh fucking fifty bucks
Speaker 1: or something? Maybe if that, maybe a few drinks you've
Speaker 1: got a round of applause. So like, but from there,
Speaker 1: I end up I'm not competing in a couple of
Speaker 1: the main battles. But it was like just as I
Speaker 1: stopped battling, the format changed where you'd know your opponent
Speaker 1: and you'd write things down. Okay, I put my first
Speaker 1: mixtape out after I left the factory and some guy
Speaker 1: from there said, hey, do you want to do a show?
Speaker 1: So that was my first show and has at the
Speaker 1: Landsdowne Hotel. I think it was two thousand and six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my first, very first show. And then I
Speaker 1: was just like, I've got all the people that I
Speaker 1: was with me and brought them up and from there
Speaker 1: that's where it built. So I finally because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do open mics or battles, was just the
Speaker 1: only platform I had. So yeah, from there I built
Speaker 1: and it's just gone from there. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: the rappers and a lot of like sometimes there was
Speaker 1: judges we're from like North Sydney and those areas, and
Speaker 1: I was like the only person from the West. So
Speaker 1: like that's what really made me start rapping the West.
Speaker 1: My first mixtapes called the two one four eight Mixtape,
Speaker 1: which is like these days everyone's got all these postcode bullshit.
Speaker 1: Back then, no one was rapping postcodes, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't repping postcards like a gang. I was repping
Speaker 1: it because back then, he's if you're from the West,
Speaker 1: you're a Westie, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: don't if your kids even know what you're a fucking
Speaker 1: Westy surface look at. So there's still that mentality is
Speaker 1: So I felt like I was always going to All
Speaker 1: the battles are in the city, no events are in
Speaker 1: the west, So when I was going there, I was
Speaker 1: always like repping where I'm from. It wasn't even cool
Speaker 1: to rep where I'm from, but I'm like, fuck it,
Speaker 1: this is where I'm from. When it worked for me,
Speaker 1: sometimes went against me a lot of the time because
Speaker 1: the infrastructure was set up by city people. But like
Speaker 1: it's fucking stuck to it. It's paid off now.
Speaker 2: So how did how did you get your words for it?
Speaker 2: Like how did you come up with the you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I always the name, how would
Speaker 2: you come up with like a wrap or to know
Speaker 2: straight off the bat like that quick?
Speaker 1: I was always very very quick at being a smart ass.
Speaker 1: So like those same guys I was telling you, we
Speaker 1: used to drive around, so it's like a comeback in it.
Speaker 1: Alway used to do is drive around and put shit
Speaker 1: on each other. And I was fucking I was pretty
Speaker 1: with it even at school. Even though I'm really quick,
Speaker 1: you say something, I can just be born without thinking.
Speaker 1: I've got some pretty good fucking miners. So like I
Speaker 1: just had to apply that to rap. It's basically the
Speaker 1: same concept, but you got to make it wrong, yeah,
Speaker 1: which sometimes can be hard. But like, yeah, I was,
Speaker 1: I was always a smart ass, so I felt battling
Speaker 1: wasn't too out of my skill set. What age were
Speaker 1: you when you were doing in battles? I would have
Speaker 1: been I would have been nineteen nineteen. It was nineteen, yeah, nineteen.
Speaker 2: So by nineteen you're still living with your mum and
Speaker 2: all like that. Yeah, on your state still no, no, no, wit.
Speaker 1: We moved out a couple of years prior, but I
Speaker 1: was literally a block and a half away.
Speaker 2: But you were still the same mates and still doing yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: still the same mates.
Speaker 1: I was by that time, Well, I was out of
Speaker 1: school by then. I still had the same mates. But
Speaker 1: you were, you were on that you were on a
Speaker 1: good path or a bad path. I was walking a
Speaker 1: thin line. But I wasn't like, I wasn't like full
Speaker 1: this way or that way. So when I got out
Speaker 1: of school, no charges. No, My first charge was when
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, I got caught with an ounce of
Speaker 1: weed in my lunchbox at school. In your lunch box yeah,
Speaker 1: were no in your lunchbox. So there was a kid.
Speaker 1: His dad must have been grown right. So he's coming
Speaker 1: to school with his ship, my dad. It's got a
Speaker 1: garbage bag of this ship. I'm like, because once she
Speaker 1: can I remember, I stopped, swapped him like a stussy bean,
Speaker 1: thrill up my lunch box, right, and he was given
Speaker 1: it to everyone. And then I think some dumb bitch
Speaker 1: got caught in the toilet smoke and a joint. She
Speaker 1: gave up, some can't gave up. Another can't gave up,
Speaker 1: another can't. I'm in metalwork. Blah blah blah. They come in,
Speaker 1: they're like, asking for my name, come in sitting in
Speaker 1: the principal's office. They're like, ah, do you have any
Speaker 1: all these people being caught in marijuana? Do you want
Speaker 1: to say anything? And I just didn't. Reached out and
Speaker 1: put my lunch box on the table and they go,
Speaker 1: we think, I think we've got our man. I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And the next thing, they chucked us
Speaker 1: all in the paddy wagon together. My mate, that chuck
Speaker 1: gave me the money to buy the plot. The first
Speaker 1: time I smoked, he got done. He's there spewing because
Speaker 1: his dad was going to build the fun know if
Speaker 1: his dad was going to build the out of I
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I sort of thought I was
Speaker 1: like a wrapper there, and I was like, we're arrested,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I just fucking I denied it, Tomma,
Speaker 1: It wasn't me. My mum will believe my son would
Speaker 1: never do that. Yeah, yea, yeah, I fucking did it.
Speaker 1: But I was really good, I guess not that time
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was. It was good to getting
Speaker 1: away with stuff, just like you know, walking the line
Speaker 1: and something, you know, I mean, not everything, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I was a mischiees years, but I was,
Speaker 1: you know. So that was my first charge. I don't
Speaker 1: think I got charged again. I've only had a couple
Speaker 1: of charges in my life, nothing major. What about hanging
Speaker 1: around with the wrong people? Have you ever rung around
Speaker 1: the wrong people? All the people hung around we were wrong,
Speaker 1: wrong people, literally, but you never got let down that way.
Speaker 1: You always you knew that they were your mates and
Speaker 1: they did what they did. I think. Okay, So for instance, right,
Speaker 1: I think, say out if I hung around ten people,
Speaker 1: eight of them ended up doing time or something happened
Speaker 1: to him. I felt like me doing the music kept
Speaker 1: me off that where I might be doing a battle,
Speaker 1: and this happened more than once. I might be doing
Speaker 1: a battle, I'll come back later that night, Oh so
Speaker 1: and so got done, come back from another event someone
Speaker 1: so got shot at fucking But there was like, there's
Speaker 1: probably about ten times where I came back. If I
Speaker 1: wasn't doing music, I would have been this shite. There's
Speaker 1: been a heapes of times on't been in the area
Speaker 1: and shit's happened as well. But like music was, if
Speaker 1: I didn't do music, I would have been full time
Speaker 1: with them. So it was like music did save me.
Speaker 1: If you ever like that.
Speaker 2: Now you know when you get people, I don't know
Speaker 2: if if you have it what you do like a
Speaker 2: little lountourized, do you try and get people that you
Speaker 2: you were good friends with to get out with you
Speaker 2: to try and do it or.
Speaker 1: You don't just let it be, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Or is it just a waste of time trying? I
Speaker 1: thought just one like that. This is what I say
Speaker 1: these days, and I think it's more prevalent these days
Speaker 1: than ever. I always say, wrap ain't the streets, and
Speaker 1: streets ain't wrap. You can't really do both. So if
Speaker 1: someone's a criminal, they're not really going to they shouldn't
Speaker 1: go back and be fucker wrapping about it. People do
Speaker 1: and vice versa, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: hard to tell someone that's like, especially back then, I
Speaker 1: hadn't made a dollar a frap. Everything I was doing
Speaker 1: was just I was basically taking money out of my pocket.
Speaker 1: Do so to go to someone that's making X amount
Speaker 1: of dollars or week or got the potential to do it?
Speaker 1: Rob or do this. You're going to come to these
Speaker 1: fucking open mics with me and fucking we'll go battle
Speaker 1: some heart, you know what I mean? No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't a thing then. It wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a career path. No one on New from Blackdown
Speaker 1: was living off wrap and many didn't until probably the
Speaker 1: last five years, ten years, maybe I'd say five. Now
Speaker 1: there's a Now there's a handful of guys making real
Speaker 1: good money. When I started, it was non existent. And
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people probably looked at me, like,
Speaker 1: you're fucking crazy. When was your.
Speaker 2: First break break? Yeah, when was your first break in it?
Speaker 2: Like where you got you and some decent do for
Speaker 2: for what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Fuck, I'll say I'll say
Speaker 1: the first ten years in my career, I didn't make
Speaker 1: a dollar. Really, Yeah, I was in I was I reckon.
Speaker 1: I had to invest. I had to invest one hundred
Speaker 1: grand in myself before I seen a dollar.
Speaker 2: And that was what getting getting your music out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: even like albums and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Everything because you start off you my first album. There's
Speaker 1: a bit of a story behind that. But my first
Speaker 1: album costs seventeen grand to make. My second one cost
Speaker 1: about the same, so you look like thirty five grand.
Speaker 1: To recoup that sort of money, you've got to sell
Speaker 1: a decent amount of albums, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And without distribution and stuff like that. Only one of
Speaker 1: my sads has ever been in stores. Which one was
Speaker 1: that one? It was Living Proof, but that was only
Speaker 1: we only did a short run of that. That's the
Speaker 1: one that features Snoop. Yeah, I was through OBEs. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very hard to make money. I never really
Speaker 1: I can't even really say where my first break was.
Speaker 1: It's just been accumulation of things over the years. A
Speaker 1: bit here, a bit there. I think my first break
Speaker 1: was maybe the first time that I got a decent
Speaker 1: pay off music, which was.
Speaker 2: So how'd you get it around? Like for ten years?
Speaker 2: How you fucking or did you have a job at
Speaker 2: the side or.
Speaker 1: Nah, no, how the fuck you get well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you once alright, So nineteen probably by the time I
Speaker 1: was twenty three, all my close mates were in jail
Speaker 1: one thing of the next, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And there was there was you know they were doing
Speaker 1: they was looking back, I thought about the other day,
Speaker 1: like for the age, they were some pretty serious criminals.
Speaker 1: They got right into it. They were land up doing
Speaker 1: and some of them was selling drugs, some of them
Speaker 1: was selling guns, some were shooting guns, remember now, doing
Speaker 1: those fucking Bam raids. And I was running the cars
Speaker 1: for the shit like this and a lot of other
Speaker 1: stories that I probably don't want to go too far into.
Speaker 1: But they got deep into it quick, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it seemed like one week we're
Speaker 1: doing one week, we're selling sticks, next week we're fucking
Speaker 1: just escalator, do you know what I mean? So I
Speaker 1: got to see a lot and that's what that's what
Speaker 1: shaped my music a lot, because I was seeing things
Speaker 1: that I hadn't heard any Ouzsie rapper talk about before,
Speaker 1: and it was almost so early in the game that
Speaker 1: when I talk about it, cunts thought it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a gangstory. He's trying to
Speaker 1: be this. But like I was, I grew up in
Speaker 1: West Sydney, was a completely different place than any of
Speaker 1: the Black Town. I was like, I'm white and I
Speaker 1: was like the minority amongst my mates. Everyone else was
Speaker 1: different nationalities, you know what I mean. Like Blacktown's the
Speaker 1: biggest cultural melting pot in Australia, Like there is so
Speaker 1: many nationals, you know what I mean. So it was
Speaker 1: like I was seeing something that the typical Aussie hip
Speaker 1: hop rapper wasn't saying because at the time, the big
Speaker 1: rappers were from Melbourne or Adelaide, like hilltop hoods and
Speaker 1: you know, you got your blissen essays and all that.
Speaker 1: And no, no, there was no street rap. There was
Speaker 1: rappers that probably talked certain things, but there was no
Speaker 1: fucking legitimate street rap. And I was getting these first
Speaker 1: hand accounts. Sometimes I'd see it, sometimes I'd be involved
Speaker 1: in it, but it was fucking legit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think I was, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I want to sales ahead of my time, but it
Speaker 1: was just like this ship wasn't being documented by anything
Speaker 1: other else than the newspapers and you know yourself. Fucking
Speaker 1: two early two thousands, there was a lot going on, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, probably a lot more like
Speaker 1: I got this one soign that's called untold. It's like
Speaker 1: talking about shit you won't see on the news, because
Speaker 1: even today's shit going on you don't hear about. And
Speaker 1: it was fucking guns were fucking cheap there, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I remember once being in a garage
Speaker 1: with about ten blokes and everyone had a gun. They
Speaker 1: were like gun polishing. I was shining their guns. And
Speaker 1: these things were fucking fifteen hundred bucks a pop back
Speaker 1: then and that and fucking these days they fuged on
Speaker 1: fifteen grag, you know what I mean. So I was like,
Speaker 1: guns went hard to get. That was just popping up
Speaker 1: left ryn center. So it's like that's where my style
Speaker 1: really developed from just doing the open. That's when I
Speaker 1: had something to talk about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't hard. At one stage, I was fucking
Speaker 1: broke a couple of years I was broke. I was
Speaker 1: just getting by do them fucking you know doing That's.
Speaker 2: A lot to find, trying to put into an album
Speaker 2: like seventeen grand bro like another one and you're not
Speaker 2: making nothing from it.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, well the first one. There's a little story
Speaker 1: behind that. This this guy tried to sign me, so
Speaker 1: we did this album. He paid for it, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I talked to this guy who works
Speaker 1: for def Roy Records, his engineer. His name is John Payne.
Speaker 1: I remember saying to him. I said, oh, these guys
Speaker 1: want to sign me. They're invested his money. He goes,
Speaker 1: have you signed a contract that he goes, no, he goes,
Speaker 1: you haven't signed a contract. There's no agreement. So I go, okay, good,
Speaker 1: good to know. We went to a fucking out back
Speaker 1: steakhouse one day. They go all right, here's your contract
Speaker 1: and I'm looking through it and they're like, oh, we
Speaker 1: own everything you've done now and before we met, y'ah
Speaker 1: da da da, we own eighty percent of the eighty
Speaker 1: percent of that. And I'm there going nope, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: And I just watched their faces go read these come
Speaker 1: to a fucking burning. After that, they sort of like
Speaker 1: we lost conduct stopped with me, and they had the
Speaker 1: hard drive of all my fucking album on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had a feature from Das Dillinger, he's like
Speaker 1: a Snoop's cousin my first album, and it was like
Speaker 1: twenty three songs or something I had on this thing.
Speaker 1: So I recommended where to get it mixed and where
Speaker 1: to get it mastered. So I just thought, fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: I've lost this album. Then I fucking one day I
Speaker 1: was at Rudy Hill at the bakery and I've seen
Speaker 1: this guy that knew the guy that mastered it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you still talk to Toby Mastered and
Speaker 1: the ship? Yeah, here's his number. Okay, Toby, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have happened to have a copy of my fucking my
Speaker 1: album fully mastered, which you He goes, Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: on file, come get it, like, I went down there,
Speaker 1: handed it over. I can thank you. I can put
Speaker 1: it out myself. So that first seventeen thousand was on them. Ah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was out of contract.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I consider it a favor. But then
Speaker 1: the next one, the next one was seven eight grand
Speaker 1: and the next one was fucking had a feature from
Speaker 1: Snoop that cost me money to do. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Did you get Snoop? That's a long story,
Speaker 1: but to cut it short. So when I got out
Speaker 1: of school, I went to Tave. I did a music
Speaker 1: business course, no intentions of fucking getting the diploma, and
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to work for Sony. I was
Speaker 1: just there to if I get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: if I all but I do it. A lot of
Speaker 1: things I still know to this day was from that course.
Speaker 1: So I remember I was at that course and one
Speaker 1: of the guys there goes, hey, man, I need a
Speaker 1: big favor. He rang me up. What's up? Because I
Speaker 1: need a massive amount of weed? And I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: He on? A pound? The fucking yes, how a don't
Speaker 1: you need? I need a quarter? I'm like what quarter pound?
Speaker 1: He's like a quarter ound. So I'm like, all right, God,
Speaker 1: bless the dirt. His name's not Case. But he opened
Speaker 1: the door, right, so I'm like okay, So I went,
Speaker 1: I left. I was in the classroom. I left the classroom,
Speaker 1: Come pick me up, can't pick me up. I drove
Speaker 1: to the housing Commission where I grew up, and there's
Speaker 1: this guy that used to sell but he was notorious
Speaker 1: for waking up at two pm in the afternoon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like ten am eleven. I go there, the
Speaker 1: door's open. I couldn't believe it. He's awake, because if
Speaker 1: you wanted to get on and it was before fucking
Speaker 1: lunch and he's not getting up. He was awake. I'm like, funk,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Okay, look, I need a favor
Speaker 1: bah And all he had was this ship Asian we
Speaker 1: because here take it. Fixed me up. Later, went to
Speaker 1: the city with this guy. We get there waiting in
Speaker 1: this lobby and this guy comes down. Heyes, yes, you're
Speaker 1: the guy, and I'm like, yeah, well, what do you got,
Speaker 1: don't I don't don't want to pull it out here,
Speaker 1: come upstairs. I go listen. You can either give me
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks for this and I leave, or we
Speaker 1: can smoke it down and let me chill. Just go
Speaker 1: and chill. So he ended up being snooped. His corrupt
Speaker 1: DJ okay, all right, so this is a separate tour
Speaker 1: made contact with him. He introduced me to the death
Speaker 1: row guy that told me about the contracts. They end
Speaker 1: up taking me to the concerts with bone Thugs and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. This is the first time I've been
Speaker 1: was on this whole tool bus. Is like a massive
Speaker 1: bustle with only three people, so I pick their brain,
Speaker 1: develop a relationship. Blah blah blah. Did those shows. I
Speaker 1: was over the moon. I was fucking young. I met
Speaker 1: some of the people that I grew up listening to.
Speaker 1: Then the same DJ came out, and the next time
Speaker 1: he came out, here snoops DJ. He's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: can you get the weeds? I was like, well, helped
Speaker 1: him out. So this became a thing. Every time they
Speaker 1: come out, I'd help him out with a weed. So,
Speaker 1: you know, one thing came to another. We're at star
Speaker 1: City Casino and it was like the game buster rhymes
Speaker 1: fat Joe, Nelly, dog pound snoop, a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: it was like Superfest, and I fucking he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: the game needs some need some weird. I've got all
Speaker 1: these little half ounces of mad weird all separated like that.
Speaker 1: It's like the game needs some weed. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: and the game is the tourist to be a bit
Speaker 1: of an asshole, So I wasn't gonna go up to
Speaker 1: him and go So I see the game storm past me,
Speaker 1: and then the DJ came out and he goes, did
Speaker 1: you saw a game out? I was like no, no,
Speaker 1: like you just fucking walked past. And he's like, you
Speaker 1: want to meet Snoop. I'm like, yeah, okay, come on,
Speaker 1: come in here and goes fourte it's a Snoop. This
Speaker 1: this guy's been looking after us, blah blah blah. The
Speaker 1: first thing, Snoop says, you got your ship together, and
Speaker 1: I was just like yeah, He's like, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: make it happen. Blah blah blah. I think nothing. I
Speaker 1: walked out of the room. Had till of my good
Speaker 1: mates there like they just said I'm going to do
Speaker 1: a track of Snoop and I'm like, I'll steal that
Speaker 1: until it happens. I don't do it. So then the
Speaker 1: next day they had a concert. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: in contact with this guy. I can't get in contact
Speaker 1: with this fire all right, mate, I fucking pulled one
Speaker 1: James Bond move. So we're at it's at fucking home
Speaker 1: Bush Lost. He's hosting there, all right. So Lost. He
Speaker 1: comes out and he's finished, so he fucking OK, bro,
Speaker 1: give me your band. He goes. He cuts his band,
Speaker 1: a blue tack it on. I go. I walked through.
Speaker 1: I get to the front coppers of sniffer dots. Mate,
Speaker 1: we want to search you. I didn't have nothing on me,
Speaker 1: but the ship smelt that good that it fucking it
Speaker 1: was on me. They took me, pulled my bands down.
Speaker 1: Nothing you can go. So I'm in. Fucking the thing
Speaker 1: got in. There's three levels of security. Yeah, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've snug past one, but you got to get to
Speaker 1: this first one. Good luck, right. I went up to
Speaker 1: this one thing and he goes, no, mate, not the
Speaker 1: right color. So I was like, fuck, waited. I must
Speaker 1: have waited three hours, walked around, they changed guards, and
Speaker 1: I thought, I'll try my luck. I walk up confident,
Speaker 1: and just as I get there, some guy guess, how
Speaker 1: are you being? I was like my mate's cousin when
Speaker 1: I first moved to Blacktown, Hey, how are you going? Brother?
Speaker 1: How you being? Bhla? And it must have worked as such.
Speaker 1: I was this close to the security. It must have
Speaker 1: been such a good distraction. He must have thought like
Speaker 1: I was famous, excuse me, brother, and come in. He
Speaker 1: didn't even look at the color, so that got me through.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in the fucking pit with all the photographers
Speaker 1: and yeah, next thing, a fight breaks out in the crowd.
Speaker 1: All the photographers run to the front. As soon as
Speaker 1: they did that, I went on the side of the stage.
Speaker 1: The first person I see is Snoops Drama and he
Speaker 1: knew me is the week. He's like, you got weired?
Speaker 1: I said, I do, but it's in the car and
Speaker 1: he goes, fuck, Oka, bro, I've got this pass not
Speaker 1: supposed to be here. I can get it for you,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to take me and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to bring me back in. He goes, right, done,
Speaker 1: So we do this mission out to the car park,
Speaker 1: we grab the fucking way, we come back. Now I'm
Speaker 1: in still haven't got the right pass, so I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to. I finally find the DJ there's been dodging me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, how you going, man? Come here?
Speaker 1: Wait here. Now I'm out in the front of Snoop's
Speaker 1: dressing room and I just see the door. The door
Speaker 1: was opening. I can say Snoom and all the acts
Speaker 1: all smoking, the air, food and all shut and I'm
Speaker 1: just like fuck. I sat there right, and finally the
Speaker 1: DJ goes, he goes, come in, come in. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm just like fu. I'm like in
Speaker 1: the corner. I was like me and this other guy
Speaker 1: were the only two white guys in the room. The
Speaker 1: other guy was like the engineer. He recorded like two
Speaker 1: Pac when he got out of jail already yew In,
Speaker 1: we'd already like talked and ship. I'm just like Buster
Speaker 1: Rhymes walks in the room, Nelly walks in the room. Nell.
Speaker 1: He was a gentleman. He was the only one that
Speaker 1: came up and goes hello and shook everyone's hand. Found
Speaker 1: Joe the game Run's in this fucking room, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This didn't really have camera phones.
Speaker 1: You did, you did, but they were shipped like the blue. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had like a little portable camera that like a
Speaker 1: snapshot taken off my sister that was like a maybe
Speaker 1: four megapixels probably the best you could get at the time.
Speaker 1: I guess thought, come, let's talk. Do you want to
Speaker 1: do this track of Snoop? I'm like yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: like all right. I think he said like thirty grand
Speaker 1: I'm like, thirty grand I can't do. What can you do?
Speaker 1: I guess ten? Can you do ten? Give me a minute.
Speaker 1: I rang my mate in the area. I'm like, these
Speaker 1: are the guys I used to drive around in the car.
Speaker 1: Got this opportunity. I need ten thousand dollars and he's like,
Speaker 1: He's like, fucking shouldn't be taken. On the phone, he
Speaker 1: said to me, do you think it's worth it? I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get this chance again, and
Speaker 1: he goes, all right, come fucking the show ended and
Speaker 1: drove back to the area. Gave me the fucking money
Speaker 1: or fucking Chris drove back to the hotel. I get
Speaker 1: back to the hotel and Snoop's gone to sleep. I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I don't still I'm not gonna believe this till
Speaker 1: that happens. And used to be getting let down. But
Speaker 1: Daz Dillinger was there. He was on my first album,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, he does do you want to do
Speaker 1: a film clip for I think from that last song
Speaker 1: we got While we're waiting, He's like, yeah, come on.
Speaker 1: He's like, how much I'll give you five hundred bucks?
Speaker 1: He goes yeahkay, let's go. So we went through the cross.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. This was when the cross was the cross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all we did was just do laps of the
Speaker 1: cross and fucking and he's like, man, this shit's fucking popping.
Speaker 1: And we did that. We get back to the hotel,
Speaker 1: Snoop still asleep. They take me up to his presidential
Speaker 1: sweep and I'm just sitting there fucking like three am.
Speaker 1: Snoop wakes up, looks around, scratched his head, looks looks
Speaker 1: at me, goes back to bed, goes back to sleep
Speaker 1: for another two hoturds. Like fuck. Next thing is like
Speaker 1: four thirty five o'clock. He gets up, he walks in,
Speaker 1: he's on his black bestuck typing. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go Snooped about that track. So he fucking he guess
Speaker 1: all right, I'm ready, got up, did the verse in
Speaker 1: one pake and that was it. I was really yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, we have to you know, so
Speaker 1: he knew what he was there to do, so he
Speaker 1: did it. And I remember the son came up, chopped
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, made sure I got the
Speaker 1: files and blah blah blah, and I remember driving home
Speaker 1: and I was fucking Sunrise. I was so tired. I
Speaker 1: was just like, fuck I if this this don't get
Speaker 1: me in the fucking history books or get me known
Speaker 1: as a rapper, then I don't know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I felt, I felt like that's when
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, now someone's got to pay attention.
Speaker 1: Did they pay attention? Did it? That song was never
Speaker 1: a big song for me, even to this day. The
Speaker 1: numbers are very fucking low. But the story and it
Speaker 1: is that why is.
Speaker 2: It because it wasn't promoted properly? Or is it because
Speaker 2: partly that? But it wasn't Like to me, it was
Speaker 2: more personal thing to get done. This is I never
Speaker 2: imagined i'd fucking remember walk home from school when we're
Speaker 2: fucking twelve and to sing in it.
Speaker 1: I never thought you told me back then one day
Speaker 1: you're going to do that. And like bone Thugs, I
Speaker 1: used to skip school and just listen to Bone Tug
Speaker 1: smoke Weed. So like I'm meeting all these people that
Speaker 1: are actually fucking these were my role models, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, like fucking I never never had any males around,
Speaker 1: so I guess rap music was the closest thing to
Speaker 1: fucking it's probably the worst thing. But like anything, I
Speaker 1: was really paying attention, paying attention to with like some
Speaker 1: sort of male guidance. I guess, not that I'm fucking
Speaker 1: turned out to be a gangster or anything, but like
Speaker 1: you can still get something out of anything if you
Speaker 1: really listen to it. And that's what I was really like,
Speaker 1: That's what I probably made be a rap. I was
Speaker 1: just so interested in it seemed like a world away
Speaker 1: this shit. But did you ever keep in touch with
Speaker 1: him after that? No? No, no, I just got what
Speaker 1: you wanted. He's DJ. Yeah. Yeah, I end up meeting
Speaker 1: him again after that. Yeah, so there was another time
Speaker 1: that I met him. They came back twice that year.
Speaker 1: So a couple of months later, they did a New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve on Bondi Beach and I was there by myself.
Speaker 1: So they did the fire works for Warm Years Eve.
Speaker 1: I went straight to a cab, I went straight to
Speaker 1: King's Cross. The party was at back room. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I walked up the alleyway and I didn't know
Speaker 1: at the time. There's three guys standing there. First time
Speaker 1: was John, then it was Snoops DJ and Dave Aaron
Speaker 1: the other white guy. The two pack engineer. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it was Johnny Ron. Happy New Year, Happy
Speaker 1: New Year. Happy John turns and them and goes he reviews,
Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, take him in. So Snooper just finished
Speaker 1: the New Year's East celebration and decided that he wanted
Speaker 1: He was supposed to go straight to the background, but
Speaker 1: he decided, you want to go to the hotel and
Speaker 1: freshen up. So they take me in this section. I
Speaker 1: walk into this room, probably two or three times the
Speaker 1: size of this room, and there's like a fence and
Speaker 1: this crowds packed. They're waiting for Snoop to come through
Speaker 1: this door. It was right by the door, wasn't He's
Speaker 1: by the door, And they came in the back door. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the DJ booth, So just that section and everyone's just
Speaker 1: waiting for everyone's peak up their tips. So I get
Speaker 1: in there. There was this lady in the corner and
Speaker 1: there was like a chair and she had a suitcase
Speaker 1: and had every single liquor in it. I remember, I
Speaker 1: had this vodka of gold flakes and all this ship.
Speaker 1: And I come in. She's like, oh, where how are
Speaker 1: you going? Where are you from? I'm like Blacktown, like Blacktown,
Speaker 1: so Snoop talk about two hours. So I got I
Speaker 1: took his chair. This was only like this, one comfortable chair,
Speaker 1: and I had his fucking his personal drink pour up
Speaker 1: for two hours because he was running late. So John
Speaker 1: must have remembered that DJ and the other guy because
Speaker 1: they must have come with us. We're going to get
Speaker 1: him up. I was there for two hours in this
Speaker 1: session drink and all these other people look like that
Speaker 1: from northeast. Hello, who are you? Four day? Where are
Speaker 1: you from? Blacktown? Blackmound? So I'm like, well, maybe at
Speaker 1: least an hour and a half way by next thing,
Speaker 1: the door opened, Snoop Country, I got out of his chair,
Speaker 1: and then John came in with his little mates and
Speaker 1: then if fucking hit. They wanted to Snoop to take
Speaker 1: a photo. Right, So I'm against the wall like this.
Speaker 1: So the last minute when they were about to take
Speaker 1: a photo, so I went back and told my mates
Speaker 1: I was just partying with Snoop and Johnny Abraham and
Speaker 1: no one called me a liar. Yeah, but there was
Speaker 1: no proof. Yeah, okay, yeah, cool cool. When his book
Speaker 1: came out, and when his book come out, I came
Speaker 1: out three years the fucking photo popped up. My mate's
Speaker 1: mate sent it to my mate and he goes, is
Speaker 1: this for? I was like, so the photo of it,
Speaker 1: if you see it, I looked like a bit weird.
Speaker 1: It's because I ye, you're like kind of like timed that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't want to be like this,
Speaker 1: and they go get out. I was like, and I
Speaker 1: was fucking peeking off my tits. So you know, it
Speaker 1: was New Year's fucking Probably ate a few caps, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had a few. I've ended up in a few
Speaker 1: funny places.
Speaker 2: Get heartbroken though that, Like the albums aren't like making
Speaker 2: your money or making Yeah, like that one to me,
Speaker 2: like doing something with Snoop Dogg. You'd think, fuck, this
Speaker 2: is going to get me out there. You know this
Speaker 2: is fuck it, and then you get this unded. Well,
Speaker 2: like as you just said, it's you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: as good as a thought.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, like I thought maybe it would have done
Speaker 1: better than it did. But I feel like if I
Speaker 1: was on a major label, they would have gave me
Speaker 1: the publicity and they gave it the thing. But what
Speaker 1: it did do, even to this day, it created word
Speaker 1: of mouth and it was probably looked better on paper
Speaker 1: than it actually was, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's like an accolade. So when you don't started to
Speaker 1: do your your gigs, is that through getting.
Speaker 2: That signed up by somebody or is it it was
Speaker 2: just look at the plot. It was just work the
Speaker 2: mouth A lot of times. There'd be other There's a
Speaker 2: lot of promoters that are coming going in this time.
Speaker 2: Like any industry, there's people that last six months and
Speaker 2: six years.
Speaker 1: Very few make it a career. Back then, it was
Speaker 1: sort of hard to get gigs because the crowd were attracting.
Speaker 1: She's to fucking wrecktor place. You get graffiti riders, you
Speaker 1: get but end up with more damage bills and I've
Speaker 1: seen some of the fucking footage. Yeah, especially back then.
Speaker 1: These days it's not as bad. I think the venues
Speaker 1: are sort of prepare and know what to expect. But
Speaker 1: back then, oh, the toilets got tagged. Boom. No more
Speaker 1: rap shows there, Boom. We did one at Saint Mary's.
Speaker 1: It was the first time I ever seen two police helicopters.
Speaker 1: I thought there was only one, and it was fucking two.
Speaker 1: People were pulling out samurai swords and hammers in the
Speaker 1: car park and fucking getting tap it was all. It
Speaker 1: was all going down, and it's just like it was
Speaker 1: self distracted, self destructive. It was very hard to get gigs.
Speaker 1: Someone I met early on Curser. He was releasing his
Speaker 1: first album around the time I was releasing mine. He
Speaker 1: was like the only person that I really met back
Speaker 1: then that was probably as serious, took it as serious
Speaker 1: as me. And he was from Campbelltown. I was from Blacktown.
Speaker 1: Like those areas are like cousins. So we got along well,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was a little bit
Speaker 1: older than him, so and he'd heard of me. So
Speaker 1: we we got along really well. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he ship boom just just took off. So
Speaker 1: he was like, come on tour with me. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the bigger shows I did at the start
Speaker 1: were supporting him. To you. I mean I probably did
Speaker 1: that for like two three years, and then from there
Speaker 1: started I got.
Speaker 2: Your money in you or was it just to come up?
Speaker 2: It got supports and was not liked up back then.
Speaker 1: I supported all the big American acts, ice Cube, fucking everyone,
Speaker 1: bone Dugs, everyone I can think of. I never got
Speaker 1: paid a dollar because they think it's a privilege to
Speaker 1: come with them. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's them as
Speaker 1: the promoters, you know what I mean, Like the promoters
Speaker 1: are all like, there's one hundred people that want this spot,
Speaker 1: and then you're performing to a crowd that's to see
Speaker 1: there to see someone else. So you might leave with
Speaker 1: a few new fans, but most of them, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: when's bad bugs coming on? So it was tough, but
Speaker 1: I was performing multiple multiple shows. I never got paid
Speaker 1: ship I mean, but it was just I just kept pushing,
Speaker 1: like you know, I always found a way to get
Speaker 1: my music done. And there was a studio, right it
Speaker 1: used to be like eighty bucks an hour, so if
Speaker 1: you're there for sucking a day, it's like eight hundred
Speaker 1: bucks a lot of money. But this guy's dad owned
Speaker 1: the studio and he put his son in there to
Speaker 1: be an engineer and so, and he liked drugs. Oh
Speaker 1: fuck you, hits it loggy. So I'd give him like
Speaker 1: three points a base, you know, bases like speed for
Speaker 1: any of you young Yeah, and that's worth like fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: And I'd give him that and he'd be up for
Speaker 1: hours and we'd get about twelve hours recording for fifty bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and just shit like that, and I don't
Speaker 1: notice piecing together shit and from working in madd studios.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd be in a garage in fucking Mount drew
Speaker 1: It with my mate and he'd have his little shitty
Speaker 1: set up. Sometimes we record on that, and I was
Speaker 1: just just making it work of whatever we got, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, probably until I got Probably wasn't until about
Speaker 1: my fourth album, fifth album, I started saying some money
Speaker 1: and then you've got to recoup those albums. And in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and fifteen, in twelve months, I dropped four albums.
Speaker 1: So I just fucking had all this. I was working
Speaker 1: at this studio, that studio, that studio. How are you
Speaker 1: getting VI? Bro? Like that's what I mean. Like where
Speaker 1: there's a will, there's a way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I was walking a fucking thin line between being
Speaker 1: deep in fucking the wrong shit and trying to do
Speaker 1: the right shit. Like I'm not going to go there
Speaker 1: and emit anything that I shouldn't admit, but it's fucking
Speaker 1: It wasn't just from one source of revenue. It was
Speaker 1: whatever whatever worked, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: like now now it was, as I said to me,
Speaker 1: I've ondly known a lot of DJs. But to listen
Speaker 1: to you the way it could throw like how hard
Speaker 1: it is for someone to get in there? Oh man.
Speaker 1: I known artists today that will not make it for
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't invest in they don't have
Speaker 1: enough time, and they don't have enough money. And that's
Speaker 1: the two things you need. You need time and money.
Speaker 1: You can't work a fucking nine to five, do six
Speaker 1: days a week and come home and think you're gonna
Speaker 1: fucking you exhausted, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: if you don't have a job, you don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to fucking record or do any of the shit
Speaker 1: unless you get funded by someone. In that case, they
Speaker 1: might take a big cut. And that's why, like you know,
Speaker 1: some people get lucky. It might work for you if
Speaker 1: that's what you need. If you need money, my advice
Speaker 1: is don't sign a deal unless you need the money,
Speaker 1: because you won't do it without money. But make sure
Speaker 1: it's the right deal. And if it's fucking if it's
Speaker 1: only twenty grand or fifty grand, then even work for
Speaker 1: a year or two and get a fucking loan or
Speaker 1: put your head down for fucking six months and take
Speaker 1: your fucking save your money and then invest in yourself
Speaker 1: and double up if you really believe in yourself. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just a you know, sometimes I did it hard.
Speaker 1: I was never fucking balling, But I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun along the way, Like I've made it works somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've taken a backstep now, I know. You
Speaker 2: just look after people. That's that's mostly what it is
Speaker 2: to go around from trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to, but like I've got more of
Speaker 1: a following the other than I've ever had. So it's
Speaker 1: like this, this last this current year has been the
Speaker 1: most productive year I've had income wise as well. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like, is it fucking time to stop? Like
Speaker 1: do you stop when you fucking dorm.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I told It's like I told you
Speaker 2: at the start of the stats sision. My son who's eleven,
Speaker 2: knows you you know what I mean and that and
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. When he knew I was doing
Speaker 2: the podcast with you today, he just goes like, well,
Speaker 2: I want to come off. I don't want to go
Speaker 2: to school, I want to come see it. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know, you know what I mean, I don't even
Speaker 2: know that he knew you.
Speaker 1: That's and it's like fuck. Like I was. I was
Speaker 1: walking down the street, up the street the other day
Speaker 1: and I was like, these fucking seen these girls. They
Speaker 1: seen me in the fucking lights and it's just four
Speaker 1: times they went up the street. I did this, you
Speaker 1: turn chase me. Oh my god, I'm like old, they're
Speaker 1: like twenty two. And I went. I was walking at
Speaker 1: the studio and I went back and I talked to
Speaker 1: the engineer. I go, here's twenty two year olds just
Speaker 1: spotted me. It's not time to stop now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like eleven, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff. At eleven, I was listening
Speaker 1: to Easy eight. Yeah, I still love Easy. I end
Speaker 1: up I end up going and doing songs an Easy's
Speaker 1: son and went to the house where NWA started in
Speaker 1: Compton to America. I was fucking pissed one night and
Speaker 1: he's I was messaging him and he's like, we're really
Speaker 1: good friends. He's like, come to Compton. I was fucking
Speaker 1: at midnight. I was pissed. I was. I called Ubo
Speaker 1: going to Compton and why are you going to Compton?
Speaker 1: Because are you English? I'm Australian and I got a
Speaker 1: friend there and got there. He's like, don't get out
Speaker 1: of the car. Like I was like, I grew up
Speaker 1: listening to this ship. I was like, and still means
Speaker 1: a lot to me now, yeah if I got eleven
Speaker 1: year olds and twenty two year old.
Speaker 2: Which I didn't believe him, but then he straight away
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, is it hustle hustle, so.
Speaker 1: Hustle Yeah, and he knew it, and it's like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? And then on to it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So yeah, but yeah, just but I take
Speaker 1: you that you don't like fame, No, I don't, well,
Speaker 1: because that's got to come wip with what you're doing now. Well,
Speaker 1: when people first started to spotting me in the street,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm still a paranoid now, but it's like,
Speaker 1: why is this guy looking at me? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: especially the cross right, I used to go out there
Speaker 1: on the weekend. You get in a fight with someone,
Speaker 1: Ye're not blind, you don't know who, you just fucking
Speaker 1: you always fucking look it over your shoulder, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just always, yeah, I guess that lifestyle you
Speaker 1: are always looking over, not the wrap lifestyle. The other
Speaker 1: life stile you always fucking it's going on here. So
Speaker 1: it took me a while, and even today I'm still cautious.
Speaker 1: But now it's like before and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like eighty percent paranoid. Now it's like fucking ten
Speaker 1: percent paranoid. More than likely. I see him, look at me.
Speaker 1: I see what they're wearing. I can tell they're a
Speaker 1: fan my demographic yea, yeah. But like back then, I
Speaker 1: was like, fucking you, don't you know what? It was like.
Speaker 2: I don't have to look over the my sholds anymore.
Speaker 2: That's what I like being out of it for. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so what's what's so? What's next for you?
Speaker 1: Then? What's what's the future for Forte? At the moment,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to close this year off doing tour,
Speaker 1: doing tours, performing with other people, and do mainly tour management.
Speaker 1: I'll eventually just go into tour management and artist development
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I've built this many connections and build
Speaker 1: a name over these years. I was going to retire
Speaker 1: and be like, but like, what else? What am I
Speaker 1: going to? You know what I mean? Like, when you perform,
Speaker 1: do people want you to perform your old songs? Yes?
Speaker 1: They do? They always want always this one that called
Speaker 1: coppers at my front door, that everyone always I think.
Speaker 1: I think I've listened they do coppers at my front door,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking I don't want to. Yeah, that's good, bro,
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed listen. You know what.
Speaker 2: And even though we've just met now, I can tell
Speaker 2: you straight to your face, but I've got so much
Speaker 2: respect for what you're doing because of the struggle that
Speaker 2: you've gone through to get to where you are, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That like that's massive, man, Like
Speaker 2: you know what you've tried to achieve, and you've done
Speaker 2: it from an early age, and you've kept going and going.
Speaker 1: You've not let anything stop you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a lot of fucking that's a lot
Speaker 1: of respectful bro. Thank you. I mean I thought about
Speaker 1: it the other day and I was just like, I
Speaker 1: never had no one to guide me. I never had
Speaker 1: like a father or a male to like guide me.
Speaker 1: I had to figure out everything that saw. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Sometimes I hit a wall in
Speaker 1: always do the right thing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But Yeah, I thought about the other day and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you really did. Like you've done it.
Speaker 2: On your own, bro, You've you've gone out there and
Speaker 2: not asked for help. You've you've pushed it and you've
Speaker 2: got it. You've got it your whatever source you could
Speaker 2: do to get it yourself, you've done it.
Speaker 1: And then when you get to a certain stage you
Speaker 1: meet like minded people that may help you out. Yeah
Speaker 1: of course, Yeah, but you've got to get to that.
Speaker 1: You've got to get to get to where you've got
Speaker 1: halfway through is you've done it all yourself. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But like even even the Snoop Dog thing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, you did what you had to do
Speaker 2: to get where you have to.
Speaker 1: You need it, you know what I mean. And now
Speaker 1: I say interviews where they go how much for a
Speaker 1: collabor snow and he's like quarter million and then another
Speaker 1: quarter million for the fucking video. Yeah, I'm like, it'd
Speaker 1: be almost impossible for a fucking unsigned no one could
Speaker 1: do it into a fucking room or snep and get
Speaker 1: that song, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of bucket where I might not
Speaker 1: have as much money as I like, I've done a
Speaker 1: lot of I've had a lot of life experience. I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of things that I'm happy with you.
Speaker 1: I can't complain. No, my hat's off to you, bro,
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I've barely enjoyed this fucking interview because I'm not saying that,
Speaker 2: because I came in here with an open mind, like
Speaker 2: you know, what's this going.
Speaker 1: To be today?
Speaker 2: And today I've just then I'm just fucking wow, Like
Speaker 2: this is this fucking fullng story.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I haven't really told a lot of my backstory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people make assumptions or whatever they say they might know
Speaker 1: a bit of this or a bit of that, but
Speaker 1: I've never really step take my story. There's still lots
Speaker 1: to tell, but I'm planning on doing it. But it's
Speaker 1: just like where does it end? Got a couple more
Speaker 1: chapters next week on Secrets of the Underworld.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I said like you can't come in,
Speaker 3: or if there's a line or something and he's just
Speaker 3: gone fucking womp, slam me. I think it's the door
Speaker 3: one in and I'm I'm pretty sure out of peace
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 2: Dave the Dormant sharing stories from some of the Sydney's
Speaker 2: and notorious nightclubs.
Speaker 3: And then all I see is coming down like a cartoon,
Speaker 3: like teeth hitting every step. And then he got to
Speaker 3: the bottom and I saw I was right on the
Speaker 3: corner of the door. So I've just stepped to the
Speaker 3: side and watched everything fucking come up like you could
Speaker 3: have been there. And I was like, strike and I've heard.
Speaker 1: You say, and other one's like, you know, you like
Speaker 1: to be around John.
Speaker 3: I like to be around you, and I wish I
Speaker 3: had a been like but like other than that, like
Speaker 3: doing what you used to do with John.
Speaker 1: And in the Cross Weekly it's.
Speaker 3: Like, what the funk would I have done?
Speaker 1: There's a nightclub and it's like on the corner of
Speaker 1: King Street as.
Speaker 2: A gape, Nah, you got good new gay Ba lucky.
Speaker 3: I'll standing next to you the whole time we're on
Speaker 3: off the street.