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Speaker 1: Approche Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle coumments. You've probably heard about the last King of

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Speaker 2: the Cross, John Abraham.

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Speaker 1: Mister Ibrahim, You've been described as the King of the Cross.

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Speaker 1: Behind every king stands a loyal soldier.

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Speaker 2: Their job is to make sure that that king stays

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Speaker 2: on the throne. I am that soldier, and in this episode,

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Speaker 2: I speak to Sydney Underground mc forte about coming up

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Speaker 2: in the Australian hip hop scene and brushing souldiers with

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Speaker 2: the international superstars like Snoop Dogg.

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Speaker 1: I was saying something that the typical pussy hip hop

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Speaker 1: Rappa wasn't saying. No one really said to my face,

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Speaker 1: So you're a fuck. He's on his BlackBerry and don't

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Speaker 1: want to go Snoop Shock. People are pulling out samurai

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Speaker 1: swords and hammers in the car park and fuckinging tailed

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Speaker 1: Buster Rhymes walks in the room, Nellie walks in the room.

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Speaker 1: Fout Joe the game. Everyone's in this fucking room, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I got this opportunity. I need ten thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars and he's like, you should be speaking on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Please to meet him. We'll start off with your growing up,

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Speaker 2: your family and all like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm from Western Sydney. I was born in Westmead, so

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Speaker 1: born and born and raised in West Sydney run the

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Speaker 1: heart of it. At times we lived in like caravan parks.

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Speaker 1: There was like I got a little memory of that

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Speaker 1: when I was in like Blacktown and stuff. Eventually we

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Speaker 1: moved to Housing Commissioning Prospect. My early years were spent there.

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Speaker 1: I was only there a couple of years. But then

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Speaker 1: my mom was raised by a single mom. I never

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Speaker 1: met my dad, so was that hard? You don't miss

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Speaker 1: what you don't have, suppose, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it's like I remember being on a bus once

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Speaker 1: kids and I was talking about their dad, their dad,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't have a dad, and

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Speaker 1: they're like everyone has a dad. I said, I don't

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Speaker 1: have a dad, So like in my head, I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a day. So it wasn't it was It wasn't hard,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Probably the better.

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Speaker 2: Hat did you want to find it tough though? With

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Speaker 2: not having someone there to help with your keeping.

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Speaker 1: And all that. I think she found it tougher when

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Speaker 1: he was there because he used to bash but she

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Speaker 1: actually had the flea and hired with us for a

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Speaker 1: number of years because he was threatening the killer. It's

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Speaker 1: very abusive and threatened to burn the house down and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. So how old you? And that

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Speaker 1: was that man? I don't remember any of it, so

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Speaker 1: that would have been one, two three. I mean, have

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Speaker 1: you got brothers and sisters? I got two half brothers

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Speaker 1: I never met, and I've got a half sister that's

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Speaker 1: much younger than me. You get on with them, yeah,

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Speaker 1: still to this day. The first ones i've never met

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Speaker 1: Mark half sister to different father. But yeah, yeah, same mum.

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Speaker 1: No problems there. But I really grew up it was

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Speaker 1: pretty just much me, my mom, and my grandma. Never

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Speaker 1: had a big family. I had a couple of cousins

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Speaker 1: which sometimes can be a good thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: Actually, like how I got broad because I've got I

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Speaker 2: had no brothers and sisters, and I was just a

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Speaker 2: used to hang out with my mom and dad, mostly

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Speaker 2: my dad, but then it was just almost my grandparents,

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Speaker 2: my grandparents, my grandparents, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And my granddad died two weeks before I was born.

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Speaker 1: My grandma was always the one that she raised me

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Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, and then my half sister, she was

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Speaker 1: born when I was thirty eight, So that was the

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Speaker 1: perfect time for me to use that as a distraction

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Speaker 1: and yeah, get up to whatever I was getting up to,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, yeah, but we started

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Speaker 1: off in the in the Housing Commission for a few years.

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Speaker 1: I don't think my mom realized what housing Commission was.

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Speaker 1: She just knew it was like cheaper, affordable housing. And

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Speaker 1: I think once she got there, she worked her urs

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Speaker 1: We only moved two blocks away. Really yeah, with too

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Speaker 1: little foundation of people that I knew, but not like

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Speaker 1: I was always frequenting it. But within the next you know,

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Speaker 1: ten twenty years, I was always passing through that I knew.

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Speaker 1: Once you meet people as a kid, some of them

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Speaker 1: must still speak to today or bump into randomly, Like

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Speaker 1: one guy I bumped into it the footy like two

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you remember, I remember you because you was

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Speaker 1: obsessed with knives, like just yeah, it's just like it's

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Speaker 1: funny how far things come. But yeah, we moved away,

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Speaker 1: but I don't we moved. We did move far enough away,

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Speaker 1: but there was you know, we're still close enough to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. The thing was when you're when you were young,

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Speaker 1: kids used to really look down on people from the

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Speaker 1: Housing Commission. It's like, oh, you're from the houses or

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Speaker 1: You know, kids are kids, that's what they do. But

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Speaker 1: there came a time when sort of being from the

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Speaker 1: houses was cool, you know, I think it was, but

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Speaker 1: that was probably like twenty years later. But schools, all right,

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Speaker 1: I was a bit of a naughty kid. I just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I don't know what it

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Speaker 1: was you kids being a kid. Yeah, breaks from rocks

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Speaker 1: at cars, that's a good stuff like that. What else is?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I remember when when the

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Speaker 1: commission I used to I used to freeze water bombs,

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Speaker 1: so just fucking big icicles and hiding the bushes and

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Speaker 1: safe to say they canceled the bus route. But looking back,

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Speaker 1: that was very stupid because like, fuck, there could have

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Speaker 1: been old ladies on the bus, Like you don't think

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Speaker 1: day they don't run buses through. They've still got the

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Speaker 1: bus stops as a memento. And it was only a

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Speaker 1: That's something that ship I just remember doing as a kid.

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Speaker 1: What else are you going to do? Like, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: this probably hope elves she could do. But fuck, you know,

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Speaker 2: And especially when you're living in that kind of condition

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Speaker 2: them too, and you just really you're looking for just

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Speaker 2: a way out and something to do. And you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, the mischief is the the way of life,

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Speaker 2: because that's that's why I remember when I was in England,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, a lot of my mates

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Speaker 2: a states, they don't give you the privileges what other

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Speaker 2: don't find anything to do but fucking get up to mischief.

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Speaker 1: Right and having fun. Not been too serious, but you know,

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Speaker 1: what's your first job? First job? My first legit paycheck

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Speaker 1: that I ever got was on wrapping on Fat Pizza Alive.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, there was a show like they I used

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Speaker 1: to go to this house. We used to always go

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Speaker 1: smoke bombs at this house is one guy. You know

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Speaker 1: So we'd go there and he had this newspaper clipping.

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Speaker 1: He's like, look, Fat Pizza are looking for rappers blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. So I made an application and then they go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: then the guy goes, you know you want the top

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Speaker 1: ones blah blah blah. So wait for a call. So

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Speaker 1: I went and gave me a call and goes, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm in until that happened. I'm like that, especially in

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Speaker 1: in the SPS studio, I get a call. They're going,

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Speaker 1: we've got these rappers here, none of them I got

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Speaker 1: and help them? So I'm like, all right, I already

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Speaker 1: had my wrap root because it was you know, Gangster's Paradise. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: So they wanted one called Anglo's Paradise, which I already had,

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Speaker 1: up to all the main guys. I'm going, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: So I went around enough whether that someone goes, all right,

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Speaker 1: I get up there, I did it, and then I

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Speaker 1: seen him Paul Finch or fine, yeah, yeah, I seen

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Speaker 1: booted two of them off, but they put one at

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Speaker 1: know how old I was. I must have been twenty

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Speaker 1: or something. And then at twenty one, I went and

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Speaker 1: worked in a factory because Santelink made your work. Yeah

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Speaker 1: go by, yeah, tie, you fucking get the job. So

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Speaker 1: I got this job, and I was like fucking I

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Speaker 1: got in there, and then about a few weeks later,

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Speaker 1: one of my mates, one of my good mates to

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Speaker 1: this day, he got in there too, so I was like,

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Speaker 1: at least I got someone. And I was like pickpacking

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Speaker 1: in a factory but I'll just fuck around, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. You got this electric palette jack, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was doing stupid shit. I was getting like dishwashing,

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Speaker 1: detergent putting at the end of the old watching cuns

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Speaker 1: come around the corner and stuck into the wall. You

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Speaker 1: used to have to stack these palettes. Mine looked like

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Speaker 1: the fucking Eiffel Tower. They'd always have to restack it. Like.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't made for work, and I was. I didn't

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Speaker 1: it long. Then my mate that came to work with me,

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Speaker 1: he ended up having a motor cycle accident. He was

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Speaker 1: all right, but he broke his back. He's all right

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Speaker 1: to this day. And then after he left, it was

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Speaker 1: first mixtape because I was working on it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it was hard to like wake up at four am,

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Speaker 2: What about what about when you put when you're writing

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Speaker 1: How would you? How would you do it to see?

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Speaker 1: like I'd show people. People would see what are you

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Speaker 1: they'd be like, we always thought you were a foy

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Speaker 2: So when was the first time you actually, like, say,

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Speaker 1: Did you did you? Did you do it to anybody?

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Speaker 2: I guess when did you know that you wanted to

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Speaker 1: I just I guess it was. I guess from the start.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't like I was trying to go around

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Speaker 2: But would you write things that were on your mind

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Speaker 2: back then? Yeah, what you were going through? Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's what sort of gets people some of

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Speaker 2: Is that is that because so we'll start the cops.

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Speaker 1: Well I was going to get I was going to

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Speaker 2: But anyway, which one you want to start with them?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with the drugs because across the road

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Speaker 1: I think back about it now, Hold are you then?

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Speaker 1: when I think back on that, I'm like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: I went to the or not having in foil, got

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Speaker 1: of shit. Which is this on the estate? You've grown up?

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a good partnership. No, no, really,

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Speaker 1: lot of respects to him. It's funny how the past.

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Speaker 1: But and I looked back on that so, like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but as that emotionally fucking scarred you a little bit,

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00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,241
Speaker 2: or you got yours just what.

427
00:19:42,241 --> 00:19:43,521
Speaker 1: It is, what it is, I think it gave me

428
00:19:43,561 --> 00:19:48,401
Speaker 1: a good, good head start into not being sheltered by

429
00:19:48,441 --> 00:19:50,361
Speaker 1: that life, you know what I mean, because I had

430
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: a good mum. Yeah, I think maybe if I had

431
00:19:52,481 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 1: a fucking I think if my mum was from the

432
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: syringers on the lawn, it might have been a bit

433
00:19:56,761 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 1: different for me. But like, I had a good mum.

434
00:19:58,761 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: She was oblivious to us moving to this place, and

435
00:20:02,041 --> 00:20:03,801
Speaker 1: if she knew that shit was gonna happen, she would

436
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: never have taken us there. And that's not that's just

437
00:20:06,521 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 1: small things, but like, ah, it's people drunk and smashing glasses.

438
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,441
Speaker 1: You had all these alleyways connecting. Oh he's can'ts yelling

439
00:20:13,561 --> 00:20:16,281
Speaker 1: and yeah it's not where you really want to bring

440
00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:17,041
Speaker 1: up your kids, you know?

441
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,561
Speaker 2: So when so when when did you?

442
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 1: So?

443
00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 2: Now you now you've established that you're writing, how do

444
00:20:23,761 --> 00:20:25,801
Speaker 2: you start? How do you start? Well, that's the thing,

445
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,001
Speaker 2: how do you get yourself out there?

446
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,241
Speaker 1: There's his bloke you might know him mc losty. He

447
00:20:30,281 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 1: used to host a home nightclub. Yeah yeah, yeah, So

448
00:20:34,041 --> 00:20:36,481
Speaker 1: he was like the only person and the whole of

449
00:20:36,521 --> 00:20:38,801
Speaker 1: Blacktown that I knew that wrapped. So we used to

450
00:20:38,801 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 1: get the karaoke machine with download the fucking instrumentals off

451
00:20:42,961 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: Napster fucking slow thing and fucking put them in the thing,

452
00:20:48,241 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: put a Cassettian pressure record and were just freestyle. So

453
00:20:51,001 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 1: he taught me how to freestyle. He said, this is

454
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: what you've got to do, and I talked to it

455
00:20:55,681 --> 00:20:57,521
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Before that, I was just writing. So now

456
00:20:57,521 --> 00:20:59,641
Speaker 1: we're doing it off the top of our head. Blah

457
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,801
Speaker 1: blah blah. We used to do that probably once a week.

458
00:21:01,801 --> 00:21:03,521
Speaker 1: I've still got the tapes. I've still got like a

459
00:21:03,561 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 1: box full of tapes. Wouldn't listen to him? Why no?

460
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: Because I remember I put one in about ten years

461
00:21:10,201 --> 00:21:12,321
Speaker 1: after the fuck this is a while ago now, and

462
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, what the fuck is you know?

463
00:21:16,521 --> 00:21:18,801
Speaker 1: So I was like, he's really got me on the

464
00:21:18,801 --> 00:21:21,881
Speaker 1: freestyle thing. And then the movie eight Mile came out.

465
00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:25,241
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, He's like, I want to start a MC

466
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: battle bh blah blah blah. So a Greenwood Hotel and

467
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: amities we started doing these freestyle nights called Newfunk. I

468
00:21:32,481 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: end up going down the first three weeks. I won.

469
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: I was the winner three weeks in and that was

470
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: the only way for me to get on stage was

471
00:21:41,241 --> 00:21:44,321
Speaker 1: open mics or to battle. So my early days was

472
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,481
Speaker 1: like more training to battle. I mean, this is when

473
00:21:47,521 --> 00:21:49,401
Speaker 1: you'd rock up. You wouldn't know who the fuck's coming.

474
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:52,001
Speaker 1: Do you get anything for winning? Oh fucking fifty bucks

475
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,601
Speaker 1: or something? Maybe if that, maybe a few drinks you've

476
00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,481
Speaker 1: got a round of applause. So like, but from there,

477
00:22:00,521 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: I end up I'm not competing in a couple of

478
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,801
Speaker 1: the main battles. But it was like just as I

479
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,881
Speaker 1: stopped battling, the format changed where you'd know your opponent

480
00:22:10,921 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: and you'd write things down. Okay, I put my first

481
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,961
Speaker 1: mixtape out after I left the factory and some guy

482
00:22:18,001 --> 00:22:19,561
Speaker 1: from there said, hey, do you want to do a show?

483
00:22:19,761 --> 00:22:21,561
Speaker 1: So that was my first show and has at the

484
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,241
Speaker 1: Landsdowne Hotel. I think it was two thousand and six. Yeah,

485
00:22:26,281 --> 00:22:28,041
Speaker 1: that was my first, very first show. And then I

486
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: was just like, I've got all the people that I

487
00:22:29,521 --> 00:22:32,441
Speaker 1: was with me and brought them up and from there

488
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: that's where it built. So I finally because I didn't

489
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: want to do open mics or battles, was just the

490
00:22:37,961 --> 00:22:41,241
Speaker 1: only platform I had. So yeah, from there I built

491
00:22:42,521 --> 00:22:44,761
Speaker 1: and it's just gone from there. Yeah, a lot of

492
00:22:44,761 --> 00:22:46,761
Speaker 1: the rappers and a lot of like sometimes there was

493
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: judges we're from like North Sydney and those areas, and

494
00:22:50,521 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: I was like the only person from the West. So

495
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:56,201
Speaker 1: like that's what really made me start rapping the West.

496
00:22:56,241 --> 00:22:59,001
Speaker 1: My first mixtapes called the two one four eight Mixtape,

497
00:22:59,281 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: which is like these days everyone's got all these postcode bullshit.

498
00:23:02,561 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: Back then, no one was rapping postcodes, but I didn't.

499
00:23:04,921 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't repping postcards like a gang. I was repping

500
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,481
Speaker 1: it because back then, he's if you're from the West,

501
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,481
Speaker 1: you're a Westie, you know what I mean? Like I

502
00:23:12,481 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: don't if your kids even know what you're a fucking

503
00:23:15,761 --> 00:23:19,321
Speaker 1: Westy surface look at. So there's still that mentality is

504
00:23:19,521 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: So I felt like I was always going to All

505
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: the battles are in the city, no events are in

506
00:23:23,281 --> 00:23:25,001
Speaker 1: the west, So when I was going there, I was

507
00:23:25,041 --> 00:23:27,321
Speaker 1: always like repping where I'm from. It wasn't even cool

508
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: to rep where I'm from, but I'm like, fuck it,

509
00:23:28,921 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: this is where I'm from. When it worked for me,

510
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: sometimes went against me a lot of the time because

511
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: the infrastructure was set up by city people. But like

512
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,921
Speaker 1: it's fucking stuck to it. It's paid off now.

513
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: So how did how did you get your words for it?

514
00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 2: Like how did you come up with the you know

515
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,721
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I always the name, how would

516
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:51,001
Speaker 2: you come up with like a wrap or to know

517
00:23:51,201 --> 00:23:53,041
Speaker 2: straight off the bat like that quick?

518
00:23:54,001 --> 00:23:57,321
Speaker 1: I was always very very quick at being a smart ass.

519
00:23:57,721 --> 00:23:59,801
Speaker 1: So like those same guys I was telling you, we

520
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,561
Speaker 1: used to drive around, so it's like a comeback in it.

521
00:24:02,481 --> 00:24:04,161
Speaker 1: Alway used to do is drive around and put shit

522
00:24:04,241 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: on each other. And I was fucking I was pretty

523
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,761
Speaker 1: with it even at school. Even though I'm really quick,

524
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: you say something, I can just be born without thinking.

525
00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: I've got some pretty good fucking miners. So like I

526
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: just had to apply that to rap. It's basically the

527
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: same concept, but you got to make it wrong, yeah,

528
00:24:18,961 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: which sometimes can be hard. But like, yeah, I was,

529
00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:25,121
Speaker 1: I was always a smart ass, so I felt battling

530
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:28,801
Speaker 1: wasn't too out of my skill set. What age were

531
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:31,041
Speaker 1: you when you were doing in battles? I would have

532
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:37,001
Speaker 1: been I would have been nineteen nineteen. It was nineteen, yeah, nineteen.

533
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: So by nineteen you're still living with your mum and

534
00:24:40,441 --> 00:24:44,761
Speaker 2: all like that. Yeah, on your state still no, no, no, wit.

535
00:24:44,801 --> 00:24:48,281
Speaker 1: We moved out a couple of years prior, but I

536
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: was literally a block and a half away.

537
00:24:51,441 --> 00:24:55,721
Speaker 2: But you were still the same mates and still doing yeah, yeah,

538
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,801
Speaker 2: still the same mates.

539
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: I was by that time, Well, I was out of

540
00:24:59,481 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: school by then. I still had the same mates. But

541
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: you were, you were on that you were on a

542
00:25:03,561 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: good path or a bad path. I was walking a

543
00:25:07,721 --> 00:25:11,001
Speaker 1: thin line. But I wasn't like, I wasn't like full

544
00:25:11,481 --> 00:25:13,041
Speaker 1: this way or that way. So when I got out

545
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,561
Speaker 1: of school, no charges. No, My first charge was when

546
00:25:18,561 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, I got caught with an ounce of

547
00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: weed in my lunchbox at school. In your lunch box yeah,

548
00:25:25,241 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: were no in your lunchbox. So there was a kid.

549
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:38,281
Speaker 1: His dad must have been grown right. So he's coming

550
00:25:38,281 --> 00:25:40,561
Speaker 1: to school with his ship, my dad. It's got a

551
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: garbage bag of this ship. I'm like, because once she

552
00:25:46,001 --> 00:25:48,761
Speaker 1: can I remember, I stopped, swapped him like a stussy bean,

553
00:25:49,481 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: thrill up my lunch box, right, and he was given

554
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,961
Speaker 1: it to everyone. And then I think some dumb bitch

555
00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:56,001
Speaker 1: got caught in the toilet smoke and a joint. She

556
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,281
Speaker 1: gave up, some can't gave up. Another can't gave up,

557
00:25:58,281 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: another can't. I'm in metalwork. Blah blah blah. They come in,

558
00:26:01,521 --> 00:26:05,081
Speaker 1: they're like, asking for my name, come in sitting in

559
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,041
Speaker 1: the principal's office. They're like, ah, do you have any

560
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,321
Speaker 1: all these people being caught in marijuana? Do you want

561
00:26:10,321 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: to say anything? And I just didn't. Reached out and

562
00:26:12,681 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: put my lunch box on the table and they go,

563
00:26:14,721 --> 00:26:18,321
Speaker 1: we think, I think we've got our man. I'm like, fuck,

564
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. And the next thing, they chucked us

565
00:26:21,241 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: all in the paddy wagon together. My mate, that chuck

566
00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:26,001
Speaker 1: gave me the money to buy the plot. The first

567
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,681
Speaker 1: time I smoked, he got done. He's there spewing because

568
00:26:28,681 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: his dad was going to build the fun know if

569
00:26:30,281 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: his dad was going to build the out of I

570
00:26:31,721 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I sort of thought I was

571
00:26:33,441 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: like a wrapper there, and I was like, we're arrested,

572
00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:42,281
Speaker 1: and then you know, I just fucking I denied it, Tomma,

573
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't me. My mum will believe my son would

574
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,401
Speaker 1: never do that. Yeah, yea, yeah, I fucking did it.

575
00:26:47,681 --> 00:26:51,041
Speaker 1: But I was really good, I guess not that time

576
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was. It was good to getting

577
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: away with stuff, just like you know, walking the line

578
00:26:57,761 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: and something, you know, I mean, not everything, but like

579
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was a mischiees years, but I was,

580
00:27:03,921 --> 00:27:07,481
Speaker 1: you know. So that was my first charge. I don't

581
00:27:07,521 --> 00:27:11,161
Speaker 1: think I got charged again. I've only had a couple

582
00:27:11,201 --> 00:27:14,521
Speaker 1: of charges in my life, nothing major. What about hanging

583
00:27:14,521 --> 00:27:16,201
Speaker 1: around with the wrong people? Have you ever rung around

584
00:27:16,201 --> 00:27:18,641
Speaker 1: the wrong people? All the people hung around we were wrong,

585
00:27:18,681 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: wrong people, literally, but you never got let down that way.

586
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,481
Speaker 1: You always you knew that they were your mates and

587
00:27:25,521 --> 00:27:28,641
Speaker 1: they did what they did. I think. Okay, So for instance, right,

588
00:27:29,681 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: I think, say out if I hung around ten people,

589
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: eight of them ended up doing time or something happened

590
00:27:37,441 --> 00:27:41,121
Speaker 1: to him. I felt like me doing the music kept

591
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: me off that where I might be doing a battle,

592
00:27:44,241 --> 00:27:46,521
Speaker 1: and this happened more than once. I might be doing

593
00:27:46,521 --> 00:27:49,761
Speaker 1: a battle, I'll come back later that night, Oh so

594
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: and so got done, come back from another event someone

595
00:27:54,241 --> 00:27:58,481
Speaker 1: so got shot at fucking But there was like, there's

596
00:27:58,481 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: probably about ten times where I came back. If I

597
00:28:00,681 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: wasn't doing music, I would have been this shite. There's

598
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,441
Speaker 1: been a heapes of times on't been in the area

599
00:28:05,441 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: and shit's happened as well. But like music was, if

600
00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: I didn't do music, I would have been full time

601
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,521
Speaker 1: with them. So it was like music did save me.

602
00:28:15,321 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: If you ever like that.

603
00:28:16,321 --> 00:28:18,801
Speaker 2: Now you know when you get people, I don't know

604
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: if if you have it what you do like a

605
00:28:21,201 --> 00:28:23,561
Speaker 2: little lountourized, do you try and get people that you

606
00:28:23,561 --> 00:28:25,801
Speaker 2: you were good friends with to get out with you

607
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: to try and do it or.

608
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,001
Speaker 1: You don't just let it be, you know what I mean?

609
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Or is it just a waste of time trying? I

610
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,521
Speaker 1: thought just one like that. This is what I say

611
00:28:34,561 --> 00:28:37,481
Speaker 1: these days, and I think it's more prevalent these days

612
00:28:37,481 --> 00:28:39,881
Speaker 1: than ever. I always say, wrap ain't the streets, and

613
00:28:39,921 --> 00:28:43,161
Speaker 1: streets ain't wrap. You can't really do both. So if

614
00:28:43,161 --> 00:28:46,041
Speaker 1: someone's a criminal, they're not really going to they shouldn't

615
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:48,641
Speaker 1: go back and be fucker wrapping about it. People do

616
00:28:49,281 --> 00:28:52,401
Speaker 1: and vice versa, you know what I mean. So it's

617
00:28:52,441 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: hard to tell someone that's like, especially back then, I

618
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,361
Speaker 1: hadn't made a dollar a frap. Everything I was doing

619
00:28:58,481 --> 00:29:01,601
Speaker 1: was just I was basically taking money out of my pocket.

620
00:29:01,681 --> 00:29:04,521
Speaker 1: Do so to go to someone that's making X amount

621
00:29:04,561 --> 00:29:06,561
Speaker 1: of dollars or week or got the potential to do it?

622
00:29:06,641 --> 00:29:09,481
Speaker 1: Rob or do this. You're going to come to these

623
00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:12,641
Speaker 1: fucking open mics with me and fucking we'll go battle

624
00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:14,841
Speaker 1: some heart, you know what I mean? No, I didn't.

625
00:29:15,121 --> 00:29:18,081
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't a thing then. It wasn't. It

626
00:29:18,081 --> 00:29:20,721
Speaker 1: wasn't a career path. No one on New from Blackdown

627
00:29:21,121 --> 00:29:26,841
Speaker 1: was living off wrap and many didn't until probably the

628
00:29:26,961 --> 00:29:31,281
Speaker 1: last five years, ten years, maybe I'd say five. Now

629
00:29:31,281 --> 00:29:33,881
Speaker 1: there's a Now there's a handful of guys making real

630
00:29:33,921 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: good money. When I started, it was non existent. And

631
00:29:37,001 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of people probably looked at me, like,

632
00:29:39,281 --> 00:29:41,001
Speaker 1: you're fucking crazy. When was your.

633
00:29:40,881 --> 00:29:43,921
Speaker 2: First break break? Yeah, when was your first break in it?

634
00:29:43,961 --> 00:29:46,161
Speaker 2: Like where you got you and some decent do for

635
00:29:46,321 --> 00:29:47,281
Speaker 2: for what you're doing.

636
00:29:47,081 --> 00:29:50,521
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Fuck, I'll say I'll say

637
00:29:50,561 --> 00:29:54,001
Speaker 1: the first ten years in my career, I didn't make

638
00:29:54,001 --> 00:29:57,641
Speaker 1: a dollar. Really, Yeah, I was in I was I reckon.

639
00:29:57,681 --> 00:30:00,361
Speaker 1: I had to invest. I had to invest one hundred

640
00:30:00,361 --> 00:30:01,841
Speaker 1: grand in myself before I seen a dollar.

641
00:30:01,921 --> 00:30:04,801
Speaker 2: And that was what getting getting your music out there. Yeah,

642
00:30:05,201 --> 00:30:06,881
Speaker 2: even like albums and stuff like that.

643
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:12,361
Speaker 1: Everything because you start off you my first album. There's

644
00:30:12,361 --> 00:30:14,161
Speaker 1: a bit of a story behind that. But my first

645
00:30:14,241 --> 00:30:18,361
Speaker 1: album costs seventeen grand to make. My second one cost

646
00:30:18,401 --> 00:30:21,041
Speaker 1: about the same, so you look like thirty five grand.

647
00:30:21,521 --> 00:30:23,921
Speaker 1: To recoup that sort of money, you've got to sell

648
00:30:23,961 --> 00:30:25,921
Speaker 1: a decent amount of albums, you know what I mean.

649
00:30:27,001 --> 00:30:30,601
Speaker 1: And without distribution and stuff like that. Only one of

650
00:30:30,601 --> 00:30:33,601
Speaker 1: my sads has ever been in stores. Which one was

651
00:30:33,641 --> 00:30:36,161
Speaker 1: that one? It was Living Proof, but that was only

652
00:30:36,201 --> 00:30:37,801
Speaker 1: we only did a short run of that. That's the

653
00:30:37,801 --> 00:30:42,641
Speaker 1: one that features Snoop. Yeah, I was through OBEs. But yeah,

654
00:30:42,681 --> 00:30:44,721
Speaker 1: it was very hard to make money. I never really

655
00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:47,601
Speaker 1: I can't even really say where my first break was.

656
00:30:47,641 --> 00:30:50,881
Speaker 1: It's just been accumulation of things over the years. A

657
00:30:50,921 --> 00:30:53,681
Speaker 1: bit here, a bit there. I think my first break

658
00:30:53,761 --> 00:30:58,121
Speaker 1: was maybe the first time that I got a decent

659
00:30:58,281 --> 00:30:59,841
Speaker 1: pay off music, which was.

660
00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:01,641
Speaker 2: So how'd you get it around? Like for ten years?

661
00:31:01,881 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: How you fucking or did you have a job at

662
00:31:04,481 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: the side or.

663
00:31:05,241 --> 00:31:07,881
Speaker 1: Nah, no, how the fuck you get well, I'll tell

664
00:31:07,881 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: you once alright, So nineteen probably by the time I

665
00:31:12,681 --> 00:31:17,321
Speaker 1: was twenty three, all my close mates were in jail

666
00:31:18,481 --> 00:31:20,161
Speaker 1: one thing of the next, you know what I mean.

667
00:31:20,201 --> 00:31:23,721
Speaker 1: And there was there was you know they were doing

668
00:31:23,841 --> 00:31:26,881
Speaker 1: they was looking back, I thought about the other day,

669
00:31:26,921 --> 00:31:30,041
Speaker 1: like for the age, they were some pretty serious criminals.

670
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:32,081
Speaker 1: They got right into it. They were land up doing

671
00:31:32,601 --> 00:31:35,001
Speaker 1: and some of them was selling drugs, some of them

672
00:31:35,121 --> 00:31:39,441
Speaker 1: was selling guns, some were shooting guns, remember now, doing

673
00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:42,121
Speaker 1: those fucking Bam raids. And I was running the cars

674
00:31:42,121 --> 00:31:45,161
Speaker 1: for the shit like this and a lot of other

675
00:31:45,201 --> 00:31:47,841
Speaker 1: stories that I probably don't want to go too far into.

676
00:31:47,921 --> 00:31:51,361
Speaker 1: But they got deep into it quick, you know what

677
00:31:51,401 --> 00:31:53,761
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it seemed like one week we're

678
00:31:53,761 --> 00:31:56,921
Speaker 1: doing one week, we're selling sticks, next week we're fucking

679
00:31:57,681 --> 00:31:59,801
Speaker 1: just escalator, do you know what I mean? So I

680
00:31:59,881 --> 00:32:02,721
Speaker 1: got to see a lot and that's what that's what

681
00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,921
Speaker 1: shaped my music a lot, because I was seeing things

682
00:32:06,001 --> 00:32:09,241
Speaker 1: that I hadn't heard any Ouzsie rapper talk about before,

683
00:32:09,601 --> 00:32:12,081
Speaker 1: and it was almost so early in the game that

684
00:32:12,121 --> 00:32:14,881
Speaker 1: when I talk about it, cunts thought it wasn't true.

685
00:32:15,241 --> 00:32:17,041
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a gangstory. He's trying to

686
00:32:17,041 --> 00:32:19,641
Speaker 1: be this. But like I was, I grew up in

687
00:32:19,641 --> 00:32:21,841
Speaker 1: West Sydney, was a completely different place than any of

688
00:32:21,881 --> 00:32:25,641
Speaker 1: the Black Town. I was like, I'm white and I

689
00:32:25,721 --> 00:32:28,401
Speaker 1: was like the minority amongst my mates. Everyone else was

690
00:32:28,441 --> 00:32:31,281
Speaker 1: different nationalities, you know what I mean. Like Blacktown's the

691
00:32:31,281 --> 00:32:34,321
Speaker 1: biggest cultural melting pot in Australia, Like there is so

692
00:32:34,441 --> 00:32:36,401
Speaker 1: many nationals, you know what I mean. So it was

693
00:32:36,481 --> 00:32:40,241
Speaker 1: like I was seeing something that the typical Aussie hip

694
00:32:40,281 --> 00:32:43,961
Speaker 1: hop rapper wasn't saying because at the time, the big

695
00:32:44,041 --> 00:32:46,881
Speaker 1: rappers were from Melbourne or Adelaide, like hilltop hoods and

696
00:32:47,361 --> 00:32:49,321
Speaker 1: you know, you got your blissen essays and all that.

697
00:32:49,361 --> 00:32:52,041
Speaker 1: And no, no, there was no street rap. There was

698
00:32:52,161 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: rappers that probably talked certain things, but there was no

699
00:32:55,721 --> 00:32:59,641
Speaker 1: fucking legitimate street rap. And I was getting these first

700
00:32:59,641 --> 00:33:02,921
Speaker 1: hand accounts. Sometimes I'd see it, sometimes I'd be involved

701
00:33:02,961 --> 00:33:05,281
Speaker 1: in it, but it was fucking legit, you know what

702
00:33:05,321 --> 00:33:08,121
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think I was, I don't know,

703
00:33:08,161 --> 00:33:09,761
Speaker 1: I want to sales ahead of my time, but it

704
00:33:09,801 --> 00:33:13,161
Speaker 1: was just like this ship wasn't being documented by anything

705
00:33:13,161 --> 00:33:18,041
Speaker 1: other else than the newspapers and you know yourself. Fucking

706
00:33:18,441 --> 00:33:21,881
Speaker 1: two early two thousands, there was a lot going on, yeah,

707
00:33:22,481 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, probably a lot more like

708
00:33:24,201 --> 00:33:26,561
Speaker 1: I got this one soign that's called untold. It's like

709
00:33:26,601 --> 00:33:28,601
Speaker 1: talking about shit you won't see on the news, because

710
00:33:28,921 --> 00:33:31,281
Speaker 1: even today's shit going on you don't hear about. And

711
00:33:31,721 --> 00:33:34,721
Speaker 1: it was fucking guns were fucking cheap there, you know

712
00:33:34,761 --> 00:33:36,761
Speaker 1: what I mean. I remember once being in a garage

713
00:33:36,801 --> 00:33:38,801
Speaker 1: with about ten blokes and everyone had a gun. They

714
00:33:38,841 --> 00:33:41,081
Speaker 1: were like gun polishing. I was shining their guns. And

715
00:33:41,201 --> 00:33:43,641
Speaker 1: these things were fucking fifteen hundred bucks a pop back

716
00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:45,921
Speaker 1: then and that and fucking these days they fuged on

717
00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:47,561
Speaker 1: fifteen grag, you know what I mean. So I was like,

718
00:33:47,761 --> 00:33:50,001
Speaker 1: guns went hard to get. That was just popping up

719
00:33:50,081 --> 00:33:54,281
Speaker 1: left ryn center. So it's like that's where my style

720
00:33:54,401 --> 00:33:57,081
Speaker 1: really developed from just doing the open. That's when I

721
00:33:57,081 --> 00:33:58,801
Speaker 1: had something to talk about, you know what I mean.

722
00:33:58,841 --> 00:34:01,721
Speaker 1: So it wasn't hard. At one stage, I was fucking

723
00:34:01,761 --> 00:34:03,601
Speaker 1: broke a couple of years I was broke. I was

724
00:34:03,641 --> 00:34:08,361
Speaker 1: just getting by do them fucking you know doing That's.

725
00:34:08,201 --> 00:34:10,681
Speaker 2: A lot to find, trying to put into an album

726
00:34:10,921 --> 00:34:14,041
Speaker 2: like seventeen grand bro like another one and you're not

727
00:34:14,081 --> 00:34:15,161
Speaker 2: making nothing from it.

728
00:34:15,201 --> 00:34:17,921
Speaker 1: Like yeah, well the first one. There's a little story

729
00:34:17,961 --> 00:34:21,801
Speaker 1: behind that. This this guy tried to sign me, so

730
00:34:21,841 --> 00:34:24,361
Speaker 1: we did this album. He paid for it, blah blah

731
00:34:24,401 --> 00:34:26,561
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I talked to this guy who works

732
00:34:26,561 --> 00:34:29,161
Speaker 1: for def Roy Records, his engineer. His name is John Payne.

733
00:34:29,321 --> 00:34:32,241
Speaker 1: I remember saying to him. I said, oh, these guys

734
00:34:32,241 --> 00:34:35,881
Speaker 1: want to sign me. They're invested his money. He goes,

735
00:34:35,921 --> 00:34:37,761
Speaker 1: have you signed a contract that he goes, no, he goes,

736
00:34:38,241 --> 00:34:41,721
Speaker 1: you haven't signed a contract. There's no agreement. So I go, okay, good,

737
00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:44,281
Speaker 1: good to know. We went to a fucking out back

738
00:34:44,361 --> 00:34:46,521
Speaker 1: steakhouse one day. They go all right, here's your contract

739
00:34:46,561 --> 00:34:49,281
Speaker 1: and I'm looking through it and they're like, oh, we

740
00:34:49,361 --> 00:34:52,361
Speaker 1: own everything you've done now and before we met, y'ah

741
00:34:52,641 --> 00:34:55,041
Speaker 1: da da da, we own eighty percent of the eighty

742
00:34:55,081 --> 00:34:58,601
Speaker 1: percent of that. And I'm there going nope, nope, nope, nope,

743
00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:00,481
Speaker 1: And I just watched their faces go read these come

744
00:35:00,561 --> 00:35:02,841
Speaker 1: to a fucking burning. After that, they sort of like

745
00:35:03,441 --> 00:35:05,841
Speaker 1: we lost conduct stopped with me, and they had the

746
00:35:05,881 --> 00:35:08,641
Speaker 1: hard drive of all my fucking album on it. Yeah,

747
00:35:09,081 --> 00:35:11,281
Speaker 1: and I had a feature from Das Dillinger, he's like

748
00:35:11,281 --> 00:35:15,041
Speaker 1: a Snoop's cousin my first album, and it was like

749
00:35:15,641 --> 00:35:17,761
Speaker 1: twenty three songs or something I had on this thing.

750
00:35:18,481 --> 00:35:20,601
Speaker 1: So I recommended where to get it mixed and where

751
00:35:20,641 --> 00:35:23,321
Speaker 1: to get it mastered. So I just thought, fuck, you know,

752
00:35:23,441 --> 00:35:26,841
Speaker 1: I've lost this album. Then I fucking one day I

753
00:35:26,881 --> 00:35:28,921
Speaker 1: was at Rudy Hill at the bakery and I've seen

754
00:35:28,961 --> 00:35:31,041
Speaker 1: this guy that knew the guy that mastered it, and

755
00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:32,921
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you still talk to Toby Mastered and

756
00:35:32,961 --> 00:35:36,801
Speaker 1: the ship? Yeah, here's his number. Okay, Toby, you wouldn't

757
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:38,801
Speaker 1: have happened to have a copy of my fucking my

758
00:35:38,881 --> 00:35:40,801
Speaker 1: album fully mastered, which you He goes, Yeah, I got

759
00:35:40,881 --> 00:35:42,881
Speaker 1: on file, come get it, like, I went down there,

760
00:35:42,961 --> 00:35:45,521
Speaker 1: handed it over. I can thank you. I can put

761
00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:49,721
Speaker 1: it out myself. So that first seventeen thousand was on them. Ah, okay,

762
00:35:49,761 --> 00:35:51,361
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it was out of contract.

763
00:35:51,401 --> 00:35:55,521
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I consider it a favor. But then

764
00:35:55,561 --> 00:35:59,321
Speaker 1: the next one, the next one was seven eight grand

765
00:35:59,601 --> 00:36:01,801
Speaker 1: and the next one was fucking had a feature from

766
00:36:01,841 --> 00:36:04,561
Speaker 1: Snoop that cost me money to do. You know what

767
00:36:04,561 --> 00:36:07,281
Speaker 1: I mean? Did you get Snoop? That's a long story,

768
00:36:07,761 --> 00:36:10,401
Speaker 1: but to cut it short. So when I got out

769
00:36:10,401 --> 00:36:13,081
Speaker 1: of school, I went to Tave. I did a music

770
00:36:13,121 --> 00:36:17,081
Speaker 1: business course, no intentions of fucking getting the diploma, and

771
00:36:17,361 --> 00:36:19,161
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to work for Sony. I was

772
00:36:19,201 --> 00:36:21,121
Speaker 1: just there to if I get it, I get it,

773
00:36:21,161 --> 00:36:23,681
Speaker 1: if I all but I do it. A lot of

774
00:36:23,721 --> 00:36:25,961
Speaker 1: things I still know to this day was from that course.

775
00:36:26,521 --> 00:36:28,361
Speaker 1: So I remember I was at that course and one

776
00:36:28,361 --> 00:36:30,881
Speaker 1: of the guys there goes, hey, man, I need a

777
00:36:30,921 --> 00:36:33,681
Speaker 1: big favor. He rang me up. What's up? Because I

778
00:36:33,721 --> 00:36:35,681
Speaker 1: need a massive amount of weed? And I'm like, what's

779
00:36:35,721 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: He on? A pound? The fucking yes, how a don't

780
00:36:38,441 --> 00:36:41,121
Speaker 1: you need? I need a quarter? I'm like what quarter pound?

781
00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:44,321
Speaker 1: He's like a quarter ound. So I'm like, all right, God,

782
00:36:44,321 --> 00:36:46,961
Speaker 1: bless the dirt. His name's not Case. But he opened

783
00:36:47,001 --> 00:36:49,401
Speaker 1: the door, right, so I'm like okay, So I went,

784
00:36:49,881 --> 00:36:52,081
Speaker 1: I left. I was in the classroom. I left the classroom,

785
00:36:52,401 --> 00:36:54,361
Speaker 1: Come pick me up, can't pick me up. I drove

786
00:36:54,401 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: to the housing Commission where I grew up, and there's

787
00:36:57,001 --> 00:36:59,521
Speaker 1: this guy that used to sell but he was notorious

788
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:01,601
Speaker 1: for waking up at two pm in the afternoon. Yeah,

789
00:37:01,881 --> 00:37:03,761
Speaker 1: it was like ten am eleven. I go there, the

790
00:37:03,761 --> 00:37:05,841
Speaker 1: door's open. I couldn't believe it. He's awake, because if

791
00:37:05,881 --> 00:37:07,601
Speaker 1: you wanted to get on and it was before fucking

792
00:37:07,681 --> 00:37:12,241
Speaker 1: lunch and he's not getting up. He was awake. I'm like, funk,

793
00:37:12,281 --> 00:37:14,361
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Okay, look, I need a favor

794
00:37:14,401 --> 00:37:16,401
Speaker 1: bah And all he had was this ship Asian we

795
00:37:17,281 --> 00:37:20,201
Speaker 1: because here take it. Fixed me up. Later, went to

796
00:37:20,241 --> 00:37:23,281
Speaker 1: the city with this guy. We get there waiting in

797
00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:26,601
Speaker 1: this lobby and this guy comes down. Heyes, yes, you're

798
00:37:26,641 --> 00:37:29,361
Speaker 1: the guy, and I'm like, yeah, well, what do you got,

799
00:37:29,921 --> 00:37:31,521
Speaker 1: don't I don't don't want to pull it out here,

800
00:37:32,401 --> 00:37:36,201
Speaker 1: come upstairs. I go listen. You can either give me

801
00:37:36,241 --> 00:37:38,241
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks for this and I leave, or we

802
00:37:38,241 --> 00:37:40,361
Speaker 1: can smoke it down and let me chill. Just go

803
00:37:40,521 --> 00:37:43,841
Speaker 1: and chill. So he ended up being snooped. His corrupt

804
00:37:43,961 --> 00:37:46,281
Speaker 1: DJ okay, all right, so this is a separate tour

805
00:37:46,761 --> 00:37:49,401
Speaker 1: made contact with him. He introduced me to the death

806
00:37:49,481 --> 00:37:52,401
Speaker 1: row guy that told me about the contracts. They end

807
00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:54,561
Speaker 1: up taking me to the concerts with bone Thugs and

808
00:37:54,601 --> 00:37:56,401
Speaker 1: all this stuff. This is the first time I've been

809
00:37:57,201 --> 00:37:59,121
Speaker 1: was on this whole tool bus. Is like a massive

810
00:37:59,121 --> 00:38:01,641
Speaker 1: bustle with only three people, so I pick their brain,

811
00:38:02,161 --> 00:38:05,121
Speaker 1: develop a relationship. Blah blah blah. Did those shows. I

812
00:38:05,201 --> 00:38:08,161
Speaker 1: was over the moon. I was fucking young. I met

813
00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:09,721
Speaker 1: some of the people that I grew up listening to.

814
00:38:10,281 --> 00:38:13,401
Speaker 1: Then the same DJ came out, and the next time

815
00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:15,921
Speaker 1: he came out, here snoops DJ. He's like, hey man,

816
00:38:15,961 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: can you get the weeds? I was like, well, helped

817
00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:20,121
Speaker 1: him out. So this became a thing. Every time they

818
00:38:20,201 --> 00:38:22,561
Speaker 1: come out, I'd help him out with a weed. So,

819
00:38:23,401 --> 00:38:26,161
Speaker 1: you know, one thing came to another. We're at star

820
00:38:26,281 --> 00:38:30,321
Speaker 1: City Casino and it was like the game buster rhymes

821
00:38:30,361 --> 00:38:36,241
Speaker 1: fat Joe, Nelly, dog pound snoop, a whole bunch of

822
00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:40,361
Speaker 1: it was like Superfest, and I fucking he goes, oh,

823
00:38:40,561 --> 00:38:42,921
Speaker 1: the game needs some need some weird. I've got all

824
00:38:42,961 --> 00:38:46,001
Speaker 1: these little half ounces of mad weird all separated like that.

825
00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:48,321
Speaker 1: It's like the game needs some weed. I'm like, all right,

826
00:38:48,361 --> 00:38:49,641
Speaker 1: and the game is the tourist to be a bit

827
00:38:49,681 --> 00:38:51,201
Speaker 1: of an asshole, So I wasn't gonna go up to

828
00:38:51,281 --> 00:38:54,121
Speaker 1: him and go So I see the game storm past me,

829
00:38:54,721 --> 00:38:56,801
Speaker 1: and then the DJ came out and he goes, did

830
00:38:56,841 --> 00:38:59,121
Speaker 1: you saw a game out? I was like no, no,

831
00:38:59,601 --> 00:39:01,561
Speaker 1: like you just fucking walked past. And he's like, you

832
00:39:01,601 --> 00:39:03,761
Speaker 1: want to meet Snoop. I'm like, yeah, okay, come on,

833
00:39:04,361 --> 00:39:07,241
Speaker 1: come in here and goes fourte it's a Snoop. This

834
00:39:07,481 --> 00:39:09,481
Speaker 1: this guy's been looking after us, blah blah blah. The

835
00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:11,761
Speaker 1: first thing, Snoop says, you got your ship together, and

836
00:39:11,761 --> 00:39:14,041
Speaker 1: I was just like yeah, He's like, all right, we'll

837
00:39:14,081 --> 00:39:16,321
Speaker 1: make it happen. Blah blah blah. I think nothing. I

838
00:39:16,521 --> 00:39:18,241
Speaker 1: walked out of the room. Had till of my good

839
00:39:18,281 --> 00:39:20,321
Speaker 1: mates there like they just said I'm going to do

840
00:39:20,361 --> 00:39:22,441
Speaker 1: a track of Snoop and I'm like, I'll steal that

841
00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:25,201
Speaker 1: until it happens. I don't do it. So then the

842
00:39:25,241 --> 00:39:27,761
Speaker 1: next day they had a concert. I'm trying to get

843
00:39:27,761 --> 00:39:29,801
Speaker 1: in contact with this guy. I can't get in contact

844
00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,601
Speaker 1: with this fire all right, mate, I fucking pulled one

845
00:39:32,681 --> 00:39:36,801
Speaker 1: James Bond move. So we're at it's at fucking home

846
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:40,401
Speaker 1: Bush Lost. He's hosting there, all right. So Lost. He

847
00:39:40,521 --> 00:39:44,641
Speaker 1: comes out and he's finished, so he fucking OK, bro,

848
00:39:44,881 --> 00:39:46,721
Speaker 1: give me your band. He goes. He cuts his band,

849
00:39:47,201 --> 00:39:50,161
Speaker 1: a blue tack it on. I go. I walked through.

850
00:39:50,161 --> 00:39:53,721
Speaker 1: I get to the front coppers of sniffer dots. Mate,

851
00:39:53,841 --> 00:39:56,241
Speaker 1: we want to search you. I didn't have nothing on me,

852
00:39:56,321 --> 00:39:58,881
Speaker 1: but the ship smelt that good that it fucking it

853
00:39:59,001 --> 00:40:01,601
Speaker 1: was on me. They took me, pulled my bands down.

854
00:40:01,641 --> 00:40:05,521
Speaker 1: Nothing you can go. So I'm in. Fucking the thing

855
00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:09,561
Speaker 1: got in. There's three levels of security. Yeah, so I'm like,

856
00:40:09,601 --> 00:40:11,481
Speaker 1: I've snug past one, but you got to get to

857
00:40:11,481 --> 00:40:13,961
Speaker 1: this first one. Good luck, right. I went up to

858
00:40:14,001 --> 00:40:15,641
Speaker 1: this one thing and he goes, no, mate, not the

859
00:40:15,681 --> 00:40:18,561
Speaker 1: right color. So I was like, fuck, waited. I must

860
00:40:18,561 --> 00:40:21,281
Speaker 1: have waited three hours, walked around, they changed guards, and

861
00:40:21,321 --> 00:40:23,801
Speaker 1: I thought, I'll try my luck. I walk up confident,

862
00:40:24,081 --> 00:40:27,321
Speaker 1: and just as I get there, some guy guess, how

863
00:40:27,361 --> 00:40:29,321
Speaker 1: are you being? I was like my mate's cousin when

864
00:40:29,321 --> 00:40:31,841
Speaker 1: I first moved to Blacktown, Hey, how are you going? Brother?

865
00:40:32,201 --> 00:40:35,041
Speaker 1: How you being? Bhla? And it must have worked as such.

866
00:40:35,121 --> 00:40:36,561
Speaker 1: I was this close to the security. It must have

867
00:40:36,561 --> 00:40:38,441
Speaker 1: been such a good distraction. He must have thought like

868
00:40:38,521 --> 00:40:42,441
Speaker 1: I was famous, excuse me, brother, and come in. He

869
00:40:42,441 --> 00:40:44,201
Speaker 1: didn't even look at the color, so that got me through.

870
00:40:44,681 --> 00:40:47,161
Speaker 1: Now I'm in the fucking pit with all the photographers

871
00:40:47,201 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, next thing, a fight breaks out in the crowd.

872
00:40:49,681 --> 00:40:51,881
Speaker 1: All the photographers run to the front. As soon as

873
00:40:51,881 --> 00:40:54,641
Speaker 1: they did that, I went on the side of the stage.

874
00:40:55,001 --> 00:40:57,201
Speaker 1: The first person I see is Snoops Drama and he

875
00:40:57,241 --> 00:40:59,561
Speaker 1: knew me is the week. He's like, you got weired?

876
00:40:59,721 --> 00:41:01,761
Speaker 1: I said, I do, but it's in the car and

877
00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:05,161
Speaker 1: he goes, fuck, Oka, bro, I've got this pass not

878
00:41:05,201 --> 00:41:07,361
Speaker 1: supposed to be here. I can get it for you,

879
00:41:07,361 --> 00:41:09,041
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to take me and you're gonna

880
00:41:09,041 --> 00:41:10,801
Speaker 1: have to bring me back in. He goes, right, done,

881
00:41:11,121 --> 00:41:12,841
Speaker 1: So we do this mission out to the car park,

882
00:41:12,841 --> 00:41:15,161
Speaker 1: we grab the fucking way, we come back. Now I'm

883
00:41:15,241 --> 00:41:18,121
Speaker 1: in still haven't got the right pass, so I'm just

884
00:41:18,161 --> 00:41:22,121
Speaker 1: trying to. I finally find the DJ there's been dodging me. Yeah,

885
00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:24,721
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, how you going, man? Come here?

886
00:41:24,761 --> 00:41:26,961
Speaker 1: Wait here. Now I'm out in the front of Snoop's

887
00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:29,321
Speaker 1: dressing room and I just see the door. The door

888
00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:31,841
Speaker 1: was opening. I can say Snoom and all the acts

889
00:41:32,081 --> 00:41:35,561
Speaker 1: all smoking, the air, food and all shut and I'm

890
00:41:35,601 --> 00:41:38,761
Speaker 1: just like fuck. I sat there right, and finally the

891
00:41:38,841 --> 00:41:41,361
Speaker 1: DJ goes, he goes, come in, come in. So I'm

892
00:41:41,361 --> 00:41:43,401
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm just like fu. I'm like in

893
00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:46,681
Speaker 1: the corner. I was like me and this other guy

894
00:41:46,681 --> 00:41:48,561
Speaker 1: were the only two white guys in the room. The

895
00:41:48,561 --> 00:41:51,401
Speaker 1: other guy was like the engineer. He recorded like two

896
00:41:51,401 --> 00:41:53,201
Speaker 1: Pac when he got out of jail already yew In,

897
00:41:53,241 --> 00:41:56,601
Speaker 1: we'd already like talked and ship. I'm just like Buster

898
00:41:56,721 --> 00:41:59,921
Speaker 1: Rhymes walks in the room, Nelly walks in the room. Nell.

899
00:41:59,961 --> 00:42:01,361
Speaker 1: He was a gentleman. He was the only one that

900
00:42:01,401 --> 00:42:04,081
Speaker 1: came up and goes hello and shook everyone's hand. Found

901
00:42:04,161 --> 00:42:06,641
Speaker 1: Joe the game Run's in this fucking room, and I'm like,

902
00:42:07,641 --> 00:42:10,161
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This didn't really have camera phones.

903
00:42:10,281 --> 00:42:14,281
Speaker 1: You did, you did, but they were shipped like the blue. Yeah.

904
00:42:14,521 --> 00:42:17,481
Speaker 1: I had like a little portable camera that like a

905
00:42:17,521 --> 00:42:21,281
Speaker 1: snapshot taken off my sister that was like a maybe

906
00:42:21,321 --> 00:42:23,881
Speaker 1: four megapixels probably the best you could get at the time.

907
00:42:24,761 --> 00:42:26,921
Speaker 1: I guess thought, come, let's talk. Do you want to

908
00:42:26,921 --> 00:42:28,801
Speaker 1: do this track of Snoop? I'm like yeah, and he's

909
00:42:28,841 --> 00:42:31,961
Speaker 1: like all right. I think he said like thirty grand

910
00:42:31,961 --> 00:42:35,241
Speaker 1: I'm like, thirty grand I can't do. What can you do?

911
00:42:35,401 --> 00:42:39,161
Speaker 1: I guess ten? Can you do ten? Give me a minute.

912
00:42:39,361 --> 00:42:42,281
Speaker 1: I rang my mate in the area. I'm like, these

913
00:42:42,281 --> 00:42:43,721
Speaker 1: are the guys I used to drive around in the car.

914
00:42:45,761 --> 00:42:49,321
Speaker 1: Got this opportunity. I need ten thousand dollars and he's like,

915
00:42:50,641 --> 00:42:55,721
Speaker 1: He's like, fucking shouldn't be taken. On the phone, he

916
00:42:55,721 --> 00:42:58,041
Speaker 1: said to me, do you think it's worth it? I said,

917
00:42:58,161 --> 00:43:00,041
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna get this chance again, and

918
00:43:00,081 --> 00:43:03,801
Speaker 1: he goes, all right, come fucking the show ended and

919
00:43:04,001 --> 00:43:06,281
Speaker 1: drove back to the area. Gave me the fucking money

920
00:43:06,361 --> 00:43:09,081
Speaker 1: or fucking Chris drove back to the hotel. I get

921
00:43:09,121 --> 00:43:13,001
Speaker 1: back to the hotel and Snoop's gone to sleep. I'm like, yeah, okay,

922
00:43:13,081 --> 00:43:15,561
Speaker 1: so I don't still I'm not gonna believe this till

923
00:43:15,561 --> 00:43:18,001
Speaker 1: that happens. And used to be getting let down. But

924
00:43:18,121 --> 00:43:20,281
Speaker 1: Daz Dillinger was there. He was on my first album,

925
00:43:20,441 --> 00:43:22,801
Speaker 1: so I'm like, he does do you want to do

926
00:43:22,841 --> 00:43:25,201
Speaker 1: a film clip for I think from that last song

927
00:43:25,241 --> 00:43:27,841
Speaker 1: we got While we're waiting, He's like, yeah, come on.

928
00:43:27,921 --> 00:43:29,761
Speaker 1: He's like, how much I'll give you five hundred bucks?

929
00:43:29,761 --> 00:43:32,281
Speaker 1: He goes yeahkay, let's go. So we went through the cross.

930
00:43:32,321 --> 00:43:34,841
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. This was when the cross was the cross. Yeah,

931
00:43:34,881 --> 00:43:36,441
Speaker 1: and all we did was just do laps of the

932
00:43:36,521 --> 00:43:39,481
Speaker 1: cross and fucking and he's like, man, this shit's fucking popping.

933
00:43:39,561 --> 00:43:42,321
Speaker 1: And we did that. We get back to the hotel,

934
00:43:42,761 --> 00:43:46,201
Speaker 1: Snoop still asleep. They take me up to his presidential

935
00:43:46,241 --> 00:43:49,961
Speaker 1: sweep and I'm just sitting there fucking like three am.

936
00:43:50,881 --> 00:43:54,681
Speaker 1: Snoop wakes up, looks around, scratched his head, looks looks

937
00:43:54,721 --> 00:43:57,001
Speaker 1: at me, goes back to bed, goes back to sleep

938
00:43:57,041 --> 00:43:59,921
Speaker 1: for another two hoturds. Like fuck. Next thing is like

939
00:43:59,961 --> 00:44:03,161
Speaker 1: four thirty five o'clock. He gets up, he walks in,

940
00:44:04,201 --> 00:44:07,601
Speaker 1: he's on his black bestuck typing. I don't want to

941
00:44:07,641 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: go Snooped about that track. So he fucking he guess

942
00:44:12,481 --> 00:44:14,961
Speaker 1: all right, I'm ready, got up, did the verse in

943
00:44:15,001 --> 00:44:17,561
Speaker 1: one pake and that was it. I was really yeah,

944
00:44:17,601 --> 00:44:20,161
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, we have to you know, so

945
00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:22,241
Speaker 1: he knew what he was there to do, so he

946
00:44:22,281 --> 00:44:24,521
Speaker 1: did it. And I remember the son came up, chopped

947
00:44:24,521 --> 00:44:26,001
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, made sure I got the

948
00:44:26,041 --> 00:44:28,281
Speaker 1: files and blah blah blah, and I remember driving home

949
00:44:28,441 --> 00:44:31,161
Speaker 1: and I was fucking Sunrise. I was so tired. I

950
00:44:31,201 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: was just like, fuck I if this this don't get

951
00:44:34,441 --> 00:44:36,401
Speaker 1: me in the fucking history books or get me known

952
00:44:36,841 --> 00:44:38,481
Speaker 1: as a rapper, then I don't know, you know what

953
00:44:38,481 --> 00:44:40,321
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I felt, I felt like that's when

954
00:44:40,361 --> 00:44:43,281
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, now someone's got to pay attention.

955
00:44:43,521 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Did they pay attention? Did it? That song was never

956
00:44:46,681 --> 00:44:48,681
Speaker 1: a big song for me, even to this day. The

957
00:44:48,761 --> 00:44:51,881
Speaker 1: numbers are very fucking low. But the story and it

958
00:44:52,081 --> 00:44:52,681
Speaker 1: is that why is.

959
00:44:52,681 --> 00:44:55,081
Speaker 2: It because it wasn't promoted properly? Or is it because

960
00:44:55,241 --> 00:44:58,081
Speaker 2: partly that? But it wasn't Like to me, it was

961
00:44:58,161 --> 00:45:01,401
Speaker 2: more personal thing to get done. This is I never

962
00:45:01,481 --> 00:45:04,321
Speaker 2: imagined i'd fucking remember walk home from school when we're

963
00:45:04,361 --> 00:45:05,681
Speaker 2: fucking twelve and to sing in it.

964
00:45:06,441 --> 00:45:09,041
Speaker 1: I never thought you told me back then one day

965
00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:11,321
Speaker 1: you're going to do that. And like bone Thugs, I

966
00:45:11,401 --> 00:45:13,121
Speaker 1: used to skip school and just listen to Bone Tug

967
00:45:13,201 --> 00:45:15,561
Speaker 1: smoke Weed. So like I'm meeting all these people that

968
00:45:15,601 --> 00:45:18,601
Speaker 1: are actually fucking these were my role models, you know,

969
00:45:18,681 --> 00:45:22,881
Speaker 1: I mean, like fucking I never never had any males around,

970
00:45:22,921 --> 00:45:26,401
Speaker 1: so I guess rap music was the closest thing to

971
00:45:26,481 --> 00:45:31,041
Speaker 1: fucking it's probably the worst thing. But like anything, I

972
00:45:31,041 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: was really paying attention, paying attention to with like some

973
00:45:34,561 --> 00:45:36,761
Speaker 1: sort of male guidance. I guess, not that I'm fucking

974
00:45:37,321 --> 00:45:39,001
Speaker 1: turned out to be a gangster or anything, but like

975
00:45:40,001 --> 00:45:42,281
Speaker 1: you can still get something out of anything if you

976
00:45:42,321 --> 00:45:44,721
Speaker 1: really listen to it. And that's what I was really like,

977
00:45:45,081 --> 00:45:46,761
Speaker 1: That's what I probably made be a rap. I was

978
00:45:46,761 --> 00:45:49,081
Speaker 1: just so interested in it seemed like a world away

979
00:45:49,161 --> 00:45:51,601
Speaker 1: this shit. But did you ever keep in touch with

980
00:45:51,641 --> 00:45:53,921
Speaker 1: him after that? No? No, no, I just got what

981
00:45:53,961 --> 00:45:58,281
Speaker 1: you wanted. He's DJ. Yeah. Yeah, I end up meeting

982
00:45:58,361 --> 00:46:00,681
Speaker 1: him again after that. Yeah, so there was another time

983
00:46:00,721 --> 00:46:03,121
Speaker 1: that I met him. They came back twice that year.

984
00:46:03,321 --> 00:46:05,801
Speaker 1: So a couple of months later, they did a New

985
00:46:05,841 --> 00:46:09,681
Speaker 1: Year's Eve on Bondi Beach and I was there by myself.

986
00:46:09,961 --> 00:46:12,081
Speaker 1: So they did the fire works for Warm Years Eve.

987
00:46:12,121 --> 00:46:14,001
Speaker 1: I went straight to a cab, I went straight to

988
00:46:14,081 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: King's Cross. The party was at back room. Oh yeah, yeah.

989
00:46:18,001 --> 00:46:20,281
Speaker 1: So I walked up the alleyway and I didn't know

990
00:46:20,361 --> 00:46:23,401
Speaker 1: at the time. There's three guys standing there. First time

991
00:46:23,521 --> 00:46:27,321
Speaker 1: was John, then it was Snoops DJ and Dave Aaron

992
00:46:27,401 --> 00:46:30,361
Speaker 1: the other white guy. The two pack engineer. I didn't

993
00:46:30,361 --> 00:46:33,041
Speaker 1: even know it was Johnny Ron. Happy New Year, Happy

994
00:46:33,121 --> 00:46:35,401
Speaker 1: New Year. Happy John turns and them and goes he reviews,

995
00:46:35,481 --> 00:46:40,161
Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, take him in. So Snooper just finished

996
00:46:40,161 --> 00:46:42,801
Speaker 1: the New Year's East celebration and decided that he wanted

997
00:46:42,841 --> 00:46:44,281
Speaker 1: He was supposed to go straight to the background, but

998
00:46:44,321 --> 00:46:45,881
Speaker 1: he decided, you want to go to the hotel and

999
00:46:45,961 --> 00:46:48,881
Speaker 1: freshen up. So they take me in this section. I

1000
00:46:48,961 --> 00:46:51,601
Speaker 1: walk into this room, probably two or three times the

1001
00:46:51,641 --> 00:46:54,601
Speaker 1: size of this room, and there's like a fence and

1002
00:46:54,641 --> 00:46:57,681
Speaker 1: this crowds packed. They're waiting for Snoop to come through

1003
00:46:57,681 --> 00:46:59,641
Speaker 1: this door. It was right by the door, wasn't He's

1004
00:46:59,681 --> 00:47:01,921
Speaker 1: by the door, And they came in the back door. Yeah,

1005
00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:06,041
Speaker 1: the DJ booth, So just that section and everyone's just

1006
00:47:06,081 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: waiting for everyone's peak up their tips. So I get

1007
00:47:10,441 --> 00:47:12,401
Speaker 1: in there. There was this lady in the corner and

1008
00:47:12,401 --> 00:47:14,361
Speaker 1: there was like a chair and she had a suitcase

1009
00:47:14,361 --> 00:47:16,401
Speaker 1: and had every single liquor in it. I remember, I

1010
00:47:16,441 --> 00:47:18,641
Speaker 1: had this vodka of gold flakes and all this ship.

1011
00:47:18,721 --> 00:47:21,241
Speaker 1: And I come in. She's like, oh, where how are

1012
00:47:21,241 --> 00:47:23,801
Speaker 1: you going? Where are you from? I'm like Blacktown, like Blacktown,

1013
00:47:25,721 --> 00:47:28,841
Speaker 1: so Snoop talk about two hours. So I got I

1014
00:47:29,121 --> 00:47:31,721
Speaker 1: took his chair. This was only like this, one comfortable chair,

1015
00:47:31,721 --> 00:47:34,801
Speaker 1: and I had his fucking his personal drink pour up

1016
00:47:35,281 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: for two hours because he was running late. So John

1017
00:47:38,521 --> 00:47:40,801
Speaker 1: must have remembered that DJ and the other guy because

1018
00:47:40,801 --> 00:47:42,841
Speaker 1: they must have come with us. We're going to get

1019
00:47:42,921 --> 00:47:44,961
Speaker 1: him up. I was there for two hours in this

1020
00:47:45,001 --> 00:47:48,241
Speaker 1: session drink and all these other people look like that

1021
00:47:48,321 --> 00:47:52,601
Speaker 1: from northeast. Hello, who are you? Four day? Where are

1022
00:47:52,601 --> 00:47:56,441
Speaker 1: you from? Blacktown? Blackmound? So I'm like, well, maybe at

1023
00:47:56,561 --> 00:47:58,201
Speaker 1: least an hour and a half way by next thing,

1024
00:47:58,241 --> 00:48:00,321
Speaker 1: the door opened, Snoop Country, I got out of his chair,

1025
00:48:01,601 --> 00:48:04,641
Speaker 1: and then John came in with his little mates and

1026
00:48:04,681 --> 00:48:07,441
Speaker 1: then if fucking hit. They wanted to Snoop to take

1027
00:48:07,481 --> 00:48:09,881
Speaker 1: a photo. Right, So I'm against the wall like this.

1028
00:48:10,081 --> 00:48:11,961
Speaker 1: So the last minute when they were about to take

1029
00:48:12,001 --> 00:48:17,361
Speaker 1: a photo, so I went back and told my mates

1030
00:48:18,201 --> 00:48:20,561
Speaker 1: I was just partying with Snoop and Johnny Abraham and

1031
00:48:20,601 --> 00:48:22,681
Speaker 1: no one called me a liar. Yeah, but there was

1032
00:48:22,721 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: no proof. Yeah, okay, yeah, cool cool. When his book

1033
00:48:26,081 --> 00:48:28,681
Speaker 1: came out, and when his book come out, I came

1034
00:48:28,721 --> 00:48:32,881
Speaker 1: out three years the fucking photo popped up. My mate's

1035
00:48:32,881 --> 00:48:34,521
Speaker 1: mate sent it to my mate and he goes, is

1036
00:48:34,521 --> 00:48:38,801
Speaker 1: this for? I was like, so the photo of it,

1037
00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,801
Speaker 1: if you see it, I looked like a bit weird.

1038
00:48:40,841 --> 00:48:44,561
Speaker 1: It's because I ye, you're like kind of like timed that.

1039
00:48:44,721 --> 00:48:45,801
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't want to be like this,

1040
00:48:45,881 --> 00:48:49,041
Speaker 1: and they go get out. I was like, and I

1041
00:48:49,081 --> 00:48:51,641
Speaker 1: was fucking peeking off my tits. So you know, it

1042
00:48:51,681 --> 00:48:55,921
Speaker 1: was New Year's fucking Probably ate a few caps, but yeah,

1043
00:48:56,561 --> 00:48:58,761
Speaker 1: I've had a few. I've ended up in a few

1044
00:48:58,801 --> 00:48:59,521
Speaker 1: funny places.

1045
00:49:00,801 --> 00:49:03,881
Speaker 2: Get heartbroken though that, Like the albums aren't like making

1046
00:49:03,921 --> 00:49:06,801
Speaker 2: your money or making Yeah, like that one to me,

1047
00:49:06,961 --> 00:49:10,321
Speaker 2: like doing something with Snoop Dogg. You'd think, fuck, this

1048
00:49:10,401 --> 00:49:11,601
Speaker 2: is going to get me out there. You know this

1049
00:49:11,641 --> 00:49:13,881
Speaker 2: is fuck it, and then you get this unded. Well,

1050
00:49:14,001 --> 00:49:16,121
Speaker 2: like as you just said, it's you know, it wasn't

1051
00:49:16,161 --> 00:49:16,921
Speaker 2: as good as a thought.

1052
00:49:17,321 --> 00:49:20,361
Speaker 1: Yes, no, like I thought maybe it would have done

1053
00:49:20,481 --> 00:49:23,361
Speaker 1: better than it did. But I feel like if I

1054
00:49:23,401 --> 00:49:25,561
Speaker 1: was on a major label, they would have gave me

1055
00:49:25,601 --> 00:49:28,201
Speaker 1: the publicity and they gave it the thing. But what

1056
00:49:28,241 --> 00:49:31,041
Speaker 1: it did do, even to this day, it created word

1057
00:49:31,081 --> 00:49:33,161
Speaker 1: of mouth and it was probably looked better on paper

1058
00:49:33,161 --> 00:49:35,041
Speaker 1: than it actually was, you know what I mean. So

1059
00:49:35,601 --> 00:49:38,241
Speaker 1: it's like an accolade. So when you don't started to

1060
00:49:38,281 --> 00:49:42,041
Speaker 1: do your your gigs, is that through getting.

1061
00:49:41,681 --> 00:49:43,481
Speaker 2: That signed up by somebody or is it it was

1062
00:49:43,561 --> 00:49:45,321
Speaker 2: just look at the plot. It was just work the

1063
00:49:45,361 --> 00:49:49,001
Speaker 2: mouth A lot of times. There'd be other There's a

1064
00:49:49,081 --> 00:49:51,041
Speaker 2: lot of promoters that are coming going in this time.

1065
00:49:51,161 --> 00:49:53,641
Speaker 2: Like any industry, there's people that last six months and

1066
00:49:53,681 --> 00:49:54,441
Speaker 2: six years.

1067
00:49:54,601 --> 00:49:57,561
Speaker 1: Very few make it a career. Back then, it was

1068
00:49:57,601 --> 00:50:00,241
Speaker 1: sort of hard to get gigs because the crowd were attracting.

1069
00:50:00,841 --> 00:50:03,721
Speaker 1: She's to fucking wrecktor place. You get graffiti riders, you

1070
00:50:03,801 --> 00:50:06,841
Speaker 1: get but end up with more damage bills and I've

1071
00:50:06,841 --> 00:50:09,841
Speaker 1: seen some of the fucking footage. Yeah, especially back then.

1072
00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:13,121
Speaker 1: These days it's not as bad. I think the venues

1073
00:50:13,121 --> 00:50:16,561
Speaker 1: are sort of prepare and know what to expect. But

1074
00:50:16,601 --> 00:50:20,761
Speaker 1: back then, oh, the toilets got tagged. Boom. No more

1075
00:50:20,801 --> 00:50:23,801
Speaker 1: rap shows there, Boom. We did one at Saint Mary's.

1076
00:50:23,921 --> 00:50:26,161
Speaker 1: It was the first time I ever seen two police helicopters.

1077
00:50:26,201 --> 00:50:28,161
Speaker 1: I thought there was only one, and it was fucking two.

1078
00:50:28,361 --> 00:50:30,721
Speaker 1: People were pulling out samurai swords and hammers in the

1079
00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:34,081
Speaker 1: car park and fucking getting tap it was all. It

1080
00:50:34,121 --> 00:50:36,841
Speaker 1: was all going down, and it's just like it was

1081
00:50:36,841 --> 00:50:40,321
Speaker 1: self distracted, self destructive. It was very hard to get gigs.

1082
00:50:40,761 --> 00:50:45,121
Speaker 1: Someone I met early on Curser. He was releasing his

1083
00:50:45,241 --> 00:50:47,921
Speaker 1: first album around the time I was releasing mine. He

1084
00:50:48,081 --> 00:50:50,601
Speaker 1: was like the only person that I really met back

1085
00:50:50,641 --> 00:50:52,921
Speaker 1: then that was probably as serious, took it as serious

1086
00:50:52,961 --> 00:50:55,001
Speaker 1: as me. And he was from Campbelltown. I was from Blacktown.

1087
00:50:55,641 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: Like those areas are like cousins. So we got along well,

1088
00:51:00,521 --> 00:51:01,761
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was a little bit

1089
00:51:01,761 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: older than him, so and he'd heard of me. So

1090
00:51:04,801 --> 00:51:07,081
Speaker 1: we we got along really well. And then all of

1091
00:51:07,121 --> 00:51:11,161
Speaker 1: a sudden, he ship boom just just took off. So

1092
00:51:11,921 --> 00:51:14,161
Speaker 1: he was like, come on tour with me. So a

1093
00:51:14,161 --> 00:51:16,561
Speaker 1: lot of the bigger shows I did at the start

1094
00:51:16,681 --> 00:51:19,801
Speaker 1: were supporting him. To you. I mean I probably did

1095
00:51:19,801 --> 00:51:22,201
Speaker 1: that for like two three years, and then from there

1096
00:51:22,561 --> 00:51:23,601
Speaker 1: started I got.

1097
00:51:23,481 --> 00:51:26,121
Speaker 2: Your money in you or was it just to come up?

1098
00:51:26,681 --> 00:51:28,641
Speaker 2: It got supports and was not liked up back then.

1099
00:51:30,881 --> 00:51:35,321
Speaker 1: I supported all the big American acts, ice Cube, fucking everyone,

1100
00:51:35,441 --> 00:51:37,281
Speaker 1: bone Dugs, everyone I can think of. I never got

1101
00:51:37,281 --> 00:51:39,961
Speaker 1: paid a dollar because they think it's a privilege to

1102
00:51:39,961 --> 00:51:43,161
Speaker 1: come with them. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's them as

1103
00:51:43,201 --> 00:51:45,721
Speaker 1: the promoters, you know what I mean, Like the promoters

1104
00:51:45,761 --> 00:51:47,801
Speaker 1: are all like, there's one hundred people that want this spot,

1105
00:51:48,481 --> 00:51:51,161
Speaker 1: and then you're performing to a crowd that's to see

1106
00:51:51,281 --> 00:51:53,761
Speaker 1: there to see someone else. So you might leave with

1107
00:51:53,801 --> 00:51:55,761
Speaker 1: a few new fans, but most of them, I'm just like,

1108
00:51:55,761 --> 00:51:58,681
Speaker 1: when's bad bugs coming on? So it was tough, but

1109
00:51:59,121 --> 00:52:02,921
Speaker 1: I was performing multiple multiple shows. I never got paid

1110
00:52:02,921 --> 00:52:06,641
Speaker 1: ship I mean, but it was just I just kept pushing,

1111
00:52:06,801 --> 00:52:09,761
Speaker 1: like you know, I always found a way to get

1112
00:52:09,801 --> 00:52:12,961
Speaker 1: my music done. And there was a studio, right it

1113
00:52:13,041 --> 00:52:15,321
Speaker 1: used to be like eighty bucks an hour, so if

1114
00:52:15,321 --> 00:52:17,041
Speaker 1: you're there for sucking a day, it's like eight hundred

1115
00:52:17,081 --> 00:52:20,681
Speaker 1: bucks a lot of money. But this guy's dad owned

1116
00:52:20,681 --> 00:52:22,401
Speaker 1: the studio and he put his son in there to

1117
00:52:22,481 --> 00:52:26,601
Speaker 1: be an engineer and so, and he liked drugs. Oh

1118
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:30,721
Speaker 1: fuck you, hits it loggy. So I'd give him like

1119
00:52:31,201 --> 00:52:34,881
Speaker 1: three points a base, you know, bases like speed for

1120
00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:38,321
Speaker 1: any of you young Yeah, and that's worth like fifty bucks.

1121
00:52:38,321 --> 00:52:39,601
Speaker 1: And I'd give him that and he'd be up for

1122
00:52:39,681 --> 00:52:43,721
Speaker 1: hours and we'd get about twelve hours recording for fifty bucks. Yeah,

1123
00:52:43,761 --> 00:52:46,841
Speaker 1: I mean, and just shit like that, and I don't

1124
00:52:46,881 --> 00:52:51,161
Speaker 1: notice piecing together shit and from working in madd studios.

1125
00:52:51,161 --> 00:52:53,921
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd be in a garage in fucking Mount drew

1126
00:52:53,961 --> 00:52:56,041
Speaker 1: It with my mate and he'd have his little shitty

1127
00:52:56,041 --> 00:52:57,881
Speaker 1: set up. Sometimes we record on that, and I was

1128
00:52:57,921 --> 00:53:00,321
Speaker 1: just just making it work of whatever we got, you know,

1129
00:53:00,401 --> 00:53:04,321
Speaker 1: I mean, probably until I got Probably wasn't until about

1130
00:53:04,321 --> 00:53:07,281
Speaker 1: my fourth album, fifth album, I started saying some money

1131
00:53:07,841 --> 00:53:10,881
Speaker 1: and then you've got to recoup those albums. And in

1132
00:53:10,881 --> 00:53:15,321
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and fifteen, in twelve months, I dropped four albums.

1133
00:53:15,841 --> 00:53:18,161
Speaker 1: So I just fucking had all this. I was working

1134
00:53:18,201 --> 00:53:21,241
Speaker 1: at this studio, that studio, that studio. How are you

1135
00:53:21,281 --> 00:53:25,721
Speaker 1: getting VI? Bro? Like that's what I mean. Like where

1136
00:53:25,721 --> 00:53:27,201
Speaker 1: there's a will, there's a way, you know what I mean.

1137
00:53:27,281 --> 00:53:31,481
Speaker 1: Like I was walking a fucking thin line between being

1138
00:53:31,561 --> 00:53:34,081
Speaker 1: deep in fucking the wrong shit and trying to do

1139
00:53:34,121 --> 00:53:37,521
Speaker 1: the right shit. Like I'm not going to go there

1140
00:53:37,561 --> 00:53:40,761
Speaker 1: and emit anything that I shouldn't admit, but it's fucking

1141
00:53:42,401 --> 00:53:44,361
Speaker 1: It wasn't just from one source of revenue. It was

1142
00:53:44,401 --> 00:53:47,281
Speaker 1: whatever whatever worked, you know what I mean. So it's

1143
00:53:47,361 --> 00:53:50,841
Speaker 1: like now now it was, as I said to me,

1144
00:53:50,921 --> 00:53:53,801
Speaker 1: I've ondly known a lot of DJs. But to listen

1145
00:53:53,841 --> 00:53:56,841
Speaker 1: to you the way it could throw like how hard

1146
00:53:56,881 --> 00:53:59,201
Speaker 1: it is for someone to get in there? Oh man.

1147
00:53:59,601 --> 00:54:03,521
Speaker 1: I known artists today that will not make it for

1148
00:54:03,561 --> 00:54:06,121
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't invest in they don't have

1149
00:54:06,201 --> 00:54:08,281
Speaker 1: enough time, and they don't have enough money. And that's

1150
00:54:08,281 --> 00:54:09,961
Speaker 1: the two things you need. You need time and money.

1151
00:54:10,201 --> 00:54:12,841
Speaker 1: You can't work a fucking nine to five, do six

1152
00:54:12,921 --> 00:54:14,641
Speaker 1: days a week and come home and think you're gonna

1153
00:54:14,641 --> 00:54:17,281
Speaker 1: fucking you exhausted, you know what I mean. And then

1154
00:54:17,361 --> 00:54:18,921
Speaker 1: if you don't have a job, you don't have enough

1155
00:54:18,921 --> 00:54:21,441
Speaker 1: money to fucking record or do any of the shit

1156
00:54:21,881 --> 00:54:24,561
Speaker 1: unless you get funded by someone. In that case, they

1157
00:54:24,601 --> 00:54:29,121
Speaker 1: might take a big cut. And that's why, like you know,

1158
00:54:29,201 --> 00:54:32,081
Speaker 1: some people get lucky. It might work for you if

1159
00:54:32,081 --> 00:54:35,001
Speaker 1: that's what you need. If you need money, my advice

1160
00:54:35,081 --> 00:54:37,761
Speaker 1: is don't sign a deal unless you need the money,

1161
00:54:38,161 --> 00:54:40,521
Speaker 1: because you won't do it without money. But make sure

1162
00:54:40,521 --> 00:54:42,881
Speaker 1: it's the right deal. And if it's fucking if it's

1163
00:54:42,881 --> 00:54:45,881
Speaker 1: only twenty grand or fifty grand, then even work for

1164
00:54:45,921 --> 00:54:47,841
Speaker 1: a year or two and get a fucking loan or

1165
00:54:47,881 --> 00:54:49,881
Speaker 1: put your head down for fucking six months and take

1166
00:54:49,921 --> 00:54:52,761
Speaker 1: your fucking save your money and then invest in yourself

1167
00:54:52,761 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: and double up if you really believe in yourself. But yeah,

1168
00:54:56,521 --> 00:54:59,361
Speaker 1: it was just a you know, sometimes I did it hard.

1169
00:54:59,561 --> 00:55:02,481
Speaker 1: I was never fucking balling, But I've had a lot

1170
00:55:02,521 --> 00:55:05,801
Speaker 1: of fun along the way, Like I've made it works somehow.

1171
00:55:05,921 --> 00:55:07,881
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've taken a backstep now, I know. You

1172
00:55:07,961 --> 00:55:09,921
Speaker 2: just look after people. That's that's mostly what it is

1173
00:55:09,921 --> 00:55:11,201
Speaker 2: to go around from trying.

1174
00:55:11,441 --> 00:55:15,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to, but like I've got more of

1175
00:55:15,001 --> 00:55:17,241
Speaker 1: a following the other than I've ever had. So it's

1176
00:55:17,321 --> 00:55:20,281
Speaker 1: like this, this last this current year has been the

1177
00:55:20,281 --> 00:55:25,041
Speaker 1: most productive year I've had income wise as well. So

1178
00:55:25,081 --> 00:55:28,281
Speaker 1: I'm just like, is it fucking time to stop? Like

1179
00:55:28,361 --> 00:55:30,001
Speaker 1: do you stop when you fucking dorm.

1180
00:55:29,881 --> 00:55:32,121
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I told It's like I told you

1181
00:55:32,161 --> 00:55:35,481
Speaker 2: at the start of the stats sision. My son who's eleven,

1182
00:55:35,521 --> 00:55:37,641
Speaker 2: knows you you know what I mean and that and

1183
00:55:37,681 --> 00:55:39,121
Speaker 2: that's what I mean. When he knew I was doing

1184
00:55:39,161 --> 00:55:40,801
Speaker 2: the podcast with you today, he just goes like, well,

1185
00:55:40,801 --> 00:55:41,841
Speaker 2: I want to come off. I don't want to go

1186
00:55:41,841 --> 00:55:43,801
Speaker 2: to school, I want to come see it. I didn't

1187
00:55:43,801 --> 00:55:45,321
Speaker 2: even know, you know what I mean, I don't even

1188
00:55:45,361 --> 00:55:46,081
Speaker 2: know that he knew you.

1189
00:55:46,321 --> 00:55:49,081
Speaker 1: That's and it's like fuck. Like I was. I was

1190
00:55:49,081 --> 00:55:50,881
Speaker 1: walking down the street, up the street the other day

1191
00:55:50,921 --> 00:55:53,521
Speaker 1: and I was like, these fucking seen these girls. They

1192
00:55:53,561 --> 00:55:56,001
Speaker 1: seen me in the fucking lights and it's just four

1193
00:55:56,041 --> 00:56:00,001
Speaker 1: times they went up the street. I did this, you

1194
00:56:00,161 --> 00:56:03,521
Speaker 1: turn chase me. Oh my god, I'm like old, they're

1195
00:56:03,561 --> 00:56:05,641
Speaker 1: like twenty two. And I went. I was walking at

1196
00:56:05,641 --> 00:56:07,401
Speaker 1: the studio and I went back and I talked to

1197
00:56:07,441 --> 00:56:09,921
Speaker 1: the engineer. I go, here's twenty two year olds just

1198
00:56:09,921 --> 00:56:12,521
Speaker 1: spotted me. It's not time to stop now, you know

1199
00:56:12,601 --> 00:56:15,121
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like eleven, you know what I mean,

1200
00:56:15,201 --> 00:56:17,921
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff. At eleven, I was listening

1201
00:56:17,961 --> 00:56:21,321
Speaker 1: to Easy eight. Yeah, I still love Easy. I end

1202
00:56:21,401 --> 00:56:24,441
Speaker 1: up I end up going and doing songs an Easy's

1203
00:56:24,481 --> 00:56:27,921
Speaker 1: son and went to the house where NWA started in

1204
00:56:27,961 --> 00:56:31,721
Speaker 1: Compton to America. I was fucking pissed one night and

1205
00:56:31,761 --> 00:56:34,641
Speaker 1: he's I was messaging him and he's like, we're really

1206
00:56:34,681 --> 00:56:37,361
Speaker 1: good friends. He's like, come to Compton. I was fucking

1207
00:56:37,401 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: at midnight. I was pissed. I was. I called Ubo

1208
00:56:41,681 --> 00:56:43,841
Speaker 1: going to Compton and why are you going to Compton?

1209
00:56:44,321 --> 00:56:47,601
Speaker 1: Because are you English? I'm Australian and I got a

1210
00:56:47,601 --> 00:56:49,601
Speaker 1: friend there and got there. He's like, don't get out

1211
00:56:49,601 --> 00:56:52,321
Speaker 1: of the car. Like I was like, I grew up

1212
00:56:52,361 --> 00:56:55,041
Speaker 1: listening to this ship. I was like, and still means

1213
00:56:55,081 --> 00:56:58,161
Speaker 1: a lot to me now, yeah if I got eleven

1214
00:56:58,241 --> 00:56:59,761
Speaker 1: year olds and twenty two year old.

1215
00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:02,161
Speaker 2: Which I didn't believe him, but then he straight away

1216
00:57:02,201 --> 00:57:04,241
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, is it hustle hustle, so.

1217
00:57:04,521 --> 00:57:07,081
Speaker 1: Hustle Yeah, and he knew it, and it's like, what

1218
00:57:07,201 --> 00:57:09,281
Speaker 1: the fuck? And then on to it, you know what

1219
00:57:09,321 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean? So yeah, but yeah, just but I take

1220
00:57:13,561 --> 00:57:16,961
Speaker 1: you that you don't like fame, No, I don't, well,

1221
00:57:18,081 --> 00:57:20,161
Speaker 1: because that's got to come wip with what you're doing now. Well,

1222
00:57:20,321 --> 00:57:22,801
Speaker 1: when people first started to spotting me in the street,

1223
00:57:23,281 --> 00:57:25,321
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm still a paranoid now, but it's like,

1224
00:57:25,761 --> 00:57:29,041
Speaker 1: why is this guy looking at me? Like? You know,

1225
00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:31,361
Speaker 1: especially the cross right, I used to go out there

1226
00:57:31,401 --> 00:57:33,641
Speaker 1: on the weekend. You get in a fight with someone,

1227
00:57:34,521 --> 00:57:36,241
Speaker 1: Ye're not blind, you don't know who, you just fucking

1228
00:57:37,041 --> 00:57:41,201
Speaker 1: you always fucking look it over your shoulder, And yeah,

1229
00:57:41,241 --> 00:57:44,601
Speaker 1: I was just always, yeah, I guess that lifestyle you

1230
00:57:44,681 --> 00:57:47,521
Speaker 1: are always looking over, not the wrap lifestyle. The other

1231
00:57:47,561 --> 00:57:50,721
Speaker 1: life stile you always fucking it's going on here. So

1232
00:57:50,721 --> 00:57:53,241
Speaker 1: it took me a while, and even today I'm still cautious.

1233
00:57:53,281 --> 00:57:55,681
Speaker 1: But now it's like before and I was like, I

1234
00:57:55,761 --> 00:57:58,081
Speaker 1: was like eighty percent paranoid. Now it's like fucking ten

1235
00:57:58,081 --> 00:58:00,281
Speaker 1: percent paranoid. More than likely. I see him, look at me.

1236
00:58:00,321 --> 00:58:01,961
Speaker 1: I see what they're wearing. I can tell they're a

1237
00:58:01,961 --> 00:58:06,121
Speaker 1: fan my demographic yea, yeah. But like back then, I

1238
00:58:06,201 --> 00:58:09,401
Speaker 1: was like, fucking you, don't you know what? It was like.

1239
00:58:11,081 --> 00:58:12,641
Speaker 2: I don't have to look over the my sholds anymore.

1240
00:58:12,641 --> 00:58:14,721
Speaker 2: That's what I like being out of it for. But yeah,

1241
00:58:15,601 --> 00:58:17,361
Speaker 2: so what's what's so? What's next for you?

1242
00:58:17,401 --> 00:58:20,201
Speaker 1: Then? What's what's the future for Forte? At the moment,

1243
00:58:20,841 --> 00:58:23,521
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to close this year off doing tour,

1244
00:58:24,121 --> 00:58:28,841
Speaker 1: doing tours, performing with other people, and do mainly tour management.

1245
00:58:29,041 --> 00:58:32,201
Speaker 1: I'll eventually just go into tour management and artist development

1246
00:58:32,281 --> 00:58:37,961
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I've built this many connections and build

1247
00:58:37,961 --> 00:58:40,721
Speaker 1: a name over these years. I was going to retire

1248
00:58:40,761 --> 00:58:43,521
Speaker 1: and be like, but like, what else? What am I

1249
00:58:43,521 --> 00:58:46,601
Speaker 1: going to? You know what I mean? Like, when you perform,

1250
00:58:46,641 --> 00:58:48,761
Speaker 1: do people want you to perform your old songs? Yes?

1251
00:58:48,841 --> 00:58:50,881
Speaker 1: They do? They always want always this one that called

1252
00:58:50,921 --> 00:58:52,761
Speaker 1: coppers at my front door, that everyone always I think.

1253
00:58:52,801 --> 00:58:55,361
Speaker 1: I think I've listened they do coppers at my front door,

1254
00:58:55,361 --> 00:59:06,841
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking I don't want to. Yeah, that's good, bro,

1255
00:59:07,121 --> 00:59:09,361
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed. I've enjoyed listen. You know what.

1256
00:59:09,481 --> 00:59:13,681
Speaker 2: And even though we've just met now, I can tell

1257
00:59:13,681 --> 00:59:15,521
Speaker 2: you straight to your face, but I've got so much

1258
00:59:15,561 --> 00:59:18,161
Speaker 2: respect for what you're doing because of the struggle that

1259
00:59:18,201 --> 00:59:20,361
Speaker 2: you've gone through to get to where you are, you

1260
00:59:20,841 --> 00:59:22,641
Speaker 2: know what I mean. That like that's massive, man, Like

1261
00:59:22,681 --> 00:59:25,841
Speaker 2: you know what you've tried to achieve, and you've done

1262
00:59:25,841 --> 00:59:28,361
Speaker 2: it from an early age, and you've kept going and going.

1263
00:59:28,401 --> 00:59:30,521
Speaker 1: You've not let anything stop you, you know what I mean.

1264
00:59:30,961 --> 00:59:33,241
Speaker 1: And that's that's a lot of fucking that's a lot

1265
00:59:33,281 --> 00:59:35,841
Speaker 1: of respectful bro. Thank you. I mean I thought about

1266
00:59:35,881 --> 00:59:38,041
Speaker 1: it the other day and I was just like, I

1267
00:59:38,201 --> 00:59:41,401
Speaker 1: never had no one to guide me. I never had

1268
00:59:41,441 --> 00:59:45,041
Speaker 1: like a father or a male to like guide me.

1269
00:59:45,561 --> 00:59:47,681
Speaker 1: I had to figure out everything that saw. Yeah, you

1270
00:59:47,721 --> 00:59:50,001
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Sometimes I hit a wall in

1271
00:59:50,041 --> 00:59:51,521
Speaker 1: always do the right thing, you know what I mean?

1272
00:59:51,561 --> 00:59:53,881
Speaker 1: But Yeah, I thought about the other day and I

1273
00:59:53,921 --> 00:59:57,001
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you really did. Like you've done it.

1274
00:59:56,961 --> 00:59:58,801
Speaker 2: On your own, bro, You've you've gone out there and

1275
00:59:58,801 --> 01:00:00,761
Speaker 2: not asked for help. You've you've pushed it and you've

1276
01:00:00,761 --> 01:00:02,961
Speaker 2: got it. You've got it your whatever source you could

1277
01:00:03,001 --> 01:00:04,641
Speaker 2: do to get it yourself, you've done it.

1278
01:00:05,041 --> 01:00:06,441
Speaker 1: And then when you get to a certain stage you

1279
01:00:06,521 --> 01:00:08,881
Speaker 1: meet like minded people that may help you out. Yeah

1280
01:00:08,921 --> 01:00:10,521
Speaker 1: of course, Yeah, but you've got to get to that.

1281
01:00:10,561 --> 01:00:12,481
Speaker 1: You've got to get to get to where you've got

1282
01:00:12,641 --> 01:00:15,481
Speaker 1: halfway through is you've done it all yourself. Yeah, you

1283
01:00:15,561 --> 01:00:16,001
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1284
01:00:16,081 --> 01:00:18,681
Speaker 2: But like even even the Snoop Dog thing, you know

1285
01:00:18,681 --> 01:00:20,361
Speaker 2: what I mean, you did what you had to do

1286
01:00:20,441 --> 01:00:21,161
Speaker 2: to get where you have to.

1287
01:00:21,321 --> 01:00:23,961
Speaker 1: You need it, you know what I mean. And now

1288
01:00:24,001 --> 01:00:26,481
Speaker 1: I say interviews where they go how much for a

1289
01:00:26,521 --> 01:00:28,721
Speaker 1: collabor snow and he's like quarter million and then another

1290
01:00:28,761 --> 01:00:33,761
Speaker 1: quarter million for the fucking video. Yeah, I'm like, it'd

1291
01:00:33,761 --> 01:00:36,761
Speaker 1: be almost impossible for a fucking unsigned no one could

1292
01:00:36,761 --> 01:00:38,641
Speaker 1: do it into a fucking room or snep and get

1293
01:00:38,641 --> 01:00:42,481
Speaker 1: that song, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah, for me,

1294
01:00:42,561 --> 01:00:44,601
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of bucket where I might not

1295
01:00:44,681 --> 01:00:47,281
Speaker 1: have as much money as I like, I've done a

1296
01:00:47,281 --> 01:00:49,481
Speaker 1: lot of I've had a lot of life experience. I've

1297
01:00:49,521 --> 01:00:51,921
Speaker 1: done a lot of things that I'm happy with you.

1298
01:00:52,121 --> 01:00:55,121
Speaker 1: I can't complain. No, my hat's off to you, bro,

1299
01:00:55,281 --> 01:00:55,561
Speaker 1: like that.

1300
01:00:56,481 --> 01:00:59,281
Speaker 2: I've barely enjoyed this fucking interview because I'm not saying that,

1301
01:00:59,361 --> 01:01:02,001
Speaker 2: because I came in here with an open mind, like

1302
01:01:02,161 --> 01:01:03,041
Speaker 2: you know, what's this going.

1303
01:01:03,001 --> 01:01:03,521
Speaker 1: To be today?

1304
01:01:03,561 --> 01:01:06,761
Speaker 2: And today I've just then I'm just fucking wow, Like

1305
01:01:06,841 --> 01:01:08,681
Speaker 2: this is this fucking fullng story.

1306
01:01:08,721 --> 01:01:08,841
Speaker 3: Bro.

1307
01:01:09,001 --> 01:01:11,401
Speaker 1: I haven't really told a lot of my backstory. Yeah,

1308
01:01:11,401 --> 01:01:13,601
Speaker 1: people make assumptions or whatever they say they might know

1309
01:01:13,641 --> 01:01:14,841
Speaker 1: a bit of this or a bit of that, but

1310
01:01:15,121 --> 01:01:19,521
Speaker 1: I've never really step take my story. There's still lots

1311
01:01:19,521 --> 01:01:24,081
Speaker 1: to tell, but I'm planning on doing it. But it's

1312
01:01:24,161 --> 01:01:27,921
Speaker 1: just like where does it end? Got a couple more

1313
01:01:27,961 --> 01:01:32,601
Speaker 1: chapters next week on Secrets of the Underworld.

1314
01:01:32,601 --> 01:01:34,121
Speaker 3: I don't know if I said like you can't come in,

1315
01:01:34,161 --> 01:01:36,001
Speaker 3: or if there's a line or something and he's just

1316
01:01:36,041 --> 01:01:38,641
Speaker 3: gone fucking womp, slam me. I think it's the door

1317
01:01:38,761 --> 01:01:41,761
Speaker 3: one in and I'm I'm pretty sure out of peace

1318
01:01:41,761 --> 01:01:42,081
Speaker 3: on him.

1319
01:01:42,161 --> 01:01:44,881
Speaker 2: Dave the Dormant sharing stories from some of the Sydney's

1320
01:01:44,881 --> 01:01:46,601
Speaker 2: and notorious nightclubs.

1321
01:01:46,241 --> 01:01:48,561
Speaker 3: And then all I see is coming down like a cartoon,

1322
01:01:48,641 --> 01:01:51,361
Speaker 3: like teeth hitting every step. And then he got to

1323
01:01:51,361 --> 01:01:53,001
Speaker 3: the bottom and I saw I was right on the

1324
01:01:53,001 --> 01:01:54,641
Speaker 3: corner of the door. So I've just stepped to the

1325
01:01:54,721 --> 01:01:58,041
Speaker 3: side and watched everything fucking come up like you could

1326
01:01:58,041 --> 01:02:02,441
Speaker 3: have been there. And I was like, strike and I've heard.

1327
01:02:02,281 --> 01:02:03,841
Speaker 1: You say, and other one's like, you know, you like

1328
01:02:03,921 --> 01:02:04,801
Speaker 1: to be around John.

1329
01:02:05,241 --> 01:02:07,481
Speaker 3: I like to be around you, and I wish I

1330
01:02:07,521 --> 01:02:10,521
Speaker 3: had a been like but like other than that, like

1331
01:02:10,921 --> 01:02:12,241
Speaker 3: doing what you used to do with John.

1332
01:02:12,321 --> 01:02:14,201
Speaker 1: And in the Cross Weekly it's.

1333
01:02:14,121 --> 01:02:15,881
Speaker 3: Like, what the funk would I have done?

1334
01:02:15,961 --> 01:02:17,601
Speaker 1: There's a nightclub and it's like on the corner of

1335
01:02:17,681 --> 01:02:18,601
Speaker 1: King Street as.

1336
01:02:18,481 --> 01:02:24,121
Speaker 2: A gape, Nah, you got good new gay Ba lucky.

1337
01:02:24,121 --> 01:02:25,721
Speaker 3: I'll standing next to you the whole time we're on

1338
01:02:25,801 --> 01:02:26,401
Speaker 3: off the street.