WEBVTT - #1978 Choose Your Hard - Dr Sam Casey 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:02.800 I got a team. It's the Bloody You Project. It's 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:05.600 bloody Harps, It's bloody tiff and it's bloody doctor Sam. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.479 All in the one bloody virtual room. There's a lot 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.640 of swearing in there, the one virtual room at the 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.040 same moment in time. Although technically it's not seven o'clock 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.440 in wa it's five, isn't it? Is it five or four? 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.800 It's five? Right? So two hour diff? When does it 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.480 go back to three hour dift? Do you know? When's that? 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.960 I just wait for the announcements, but I'm not that prepared. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.000 I'm a little bit like that too. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.960 Hi Tiffany, Hi Kray Anthony, what's going on? 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:37.000 Are you good? Yeah? 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:37.560 I am good. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.240 I'm good. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:38.640 Banks. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.760 Now, I did not know that you were going to 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.519 join us, but you stuck your head up like a 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.760 little fucking meerkat over the virtual wall of the U 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.400 project and just started waving your little pause going let 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.600 me into the studio. And I said to doctor Sam, 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.120 what do you think? She went, Nah? So I overrode 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.240 her because I'm nice. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.320 Yeah, Sam would never say. 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.640 That that is true. There's only one rude person on 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.400 this podcast, and it's the bloke in the middle. Of 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.200 the screen, Tiff, what have you done? Have you been productive? 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.840 I actually have lots of podcasts today, which. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.120 Is why i'd put a questionable. I'd just finished run 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.360 in time to get on here. But that's why I 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.120 wasn't sure if i'd edit this one later, because I 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.880 might be a bit podcast brain fried, but very productive 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.800 and even a little little slow plod little run. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.399 Really yeah, really, what do you Because you're a power athlete. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.039 Now tell doctor Sam, have you ever seen her in 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.160 a bloody crop top? You probably haven't. No, I mean 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.240 this with love. She says that herself spilt like a dude, and. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.440 I'm getting jacked, Doc. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:58.480 What's brought on the running? 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.120 Well? Well, I'm just reading reducing either a little just 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.200 a short run and or a little hit workout once 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.760 or twice a week, just because I really value that 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.600 cardiovascular style of training and it feels good. I just 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.800 don't want to go back to doing too much of it. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.760 On top of the training, I'm doing. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:21.399 Goodie gum drops and doctor Sam, we spoke briefly last 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.240 time you hit the gym affair bit you do some 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.360 weight like, what's your kind of I'm sure it varies, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.320 but give or take what's your weekly kind of commitment 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:30.080 to exercise. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:36.080 I love doing three low body days often Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.480 and then two upper body days, often Tuesday Thursday. But 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.360 then I can't stay away on the weekend either, so 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.520 I just try to shuffle it around. But pretty much, yeah, 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.880 five weight training days I love, and like you, Chip, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.560 I'm trying to just add in a bit more cardio 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.200 because I feel like I'm really unbalanced in that way. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.200 Kind of neglected my cardio recently, so I've been adding 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.800 in more walks, trying to get to ten thousand a 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.120 day steps today. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.280 Were you were you remotely athletic at school? Were you 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.079 somewhat coordinated? What? 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.120 He never I was that student that would be like 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.720 I will write lines and not just sport. It was 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.000 actually motherhood that really got my button to gear because 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.640 I was like, I want to be that mum that 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.760 can run around the park with my kids, and so 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.280 I have to there be this person racing exercise. And 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.000 then I actually just fell in love with weight training. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.760 So that worked out really well. And I still feel 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.680 old when I run around the park with my kids. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:31.760 So I'm getting that. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.120 I think I know, But can I ask how old 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.240 you are, feel free not to answer that question. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.040 But also, I am thirty five next month. 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.800 How young does she look here? I know, babyface, I know, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.320 and I'm not even being nice, like I don't know. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.080 I don't know anymore. I can't tell. But like I say, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.560 fifteen year olds who look to me like twenty two, 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:58.800 but Sam's thirty five and looks twenty five. When you 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.360 get especially with young with I guess teenage girls and 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.040 young women when they put on makeup and they're out 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.920 and about and dressed up with makeup, it's kind of 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.040 hard to tell, you know, whereas with teenage boys and 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:14.320 men it's a little bit easier. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.080 I think, Oh, I feel like these days I can't tell, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.080 Like I'm never accurate, you know, like back then fifty 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.680 year olds then versus now is so different too. So 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.640 I just I can't kick up look at j Lo like. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.200 She's I think she may have a team that keeps 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:38.039 that happening. Plus she's And then I don't want to 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.599 say anything, I'll get myself in trouble, but yeah, she is, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.839 she is. I see. Even when I want to say 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:45.840 something compliment you, I go, can I say that? Can 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.760 I say she's attractive. Is that illegal these days? What 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.360 is that? Six to twelve months? She's illegal. You're going 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.000 to jail. I mean you're she's she's attractive, You're going 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:59.560 to jail. No, she's she's done. But there's a lot 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.640 of people in that, you know, Brad Pitt. I don't 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.479 want to say this, but Brad Pitt and I are 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.400 the same age. Look at my head. I look like 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:11.280 a fuck some kind of marsupial in a fucking you know, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.400 I'm a Brad Pitt still looks like a fucking hot 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:15.479 thirty five year old. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.960 Well you just said that they have teams, right, I 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.320 mean whole team dedicated to them. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:28.480 Yeah, well, good for them, Good for them. So we're 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:34.520 chatting about of course, Dr Sam is one of our regulars. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:34.800 Now. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.479 I guess we have quite a we probably have ten 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:44.760 twelve regulars now. And of course you are doctor Sam Case. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:52.960 You are a psychologist, among other things, specialized primary sorry, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.360 you've got a PhD. And you're a therapist, all right, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.839 and you specialize in kids and play their therapy. But 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:07.080 also you you know, your knowledge is expansive. And I 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.159 sent you a message this afternoon because I had a message. 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.480 By the way, if you have an idea for a 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.560 topic for a show, just go to the U Project 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:22.560 podcast Facebook page, the U Project Podcast Facebook page and go, hey, Harps, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:26.760 what about this? But before you do that, try to 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.040 make sure that we haven't done it thirteen times already. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.840 But if you've got an idea that's a little bit 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.760 different or fresh or original and it falls loosely within 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:40.240 the kind of the walls of human behavior and psychology 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:45.040 and thinking and doing better and personal development and self 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.600 awareness and management and all that shit, yes, send us. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.680 Send it through. Because Johnny Dunn, who is a guy 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.800 from Queensland, I don't know if I can say his profession, 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.280 but well he did put it on. He did put 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.280 it on. Maybe I better not he put it on 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.160 the Facebook page. But let's just say he has an 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:09.200 important job, works under a lot of pressure, and he 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.120 may drive a cop car. But other than that, I'm 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.000 giving you nothing. There's no hints. No, he did say 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.840 it on the page. Tift done look at me like that. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:23.640 So he wanted us, he wanted us to talk about burnout. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.520 And I went, so, I send you a message today 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.600 and went, is that in your wheelhouse? And you went, well, actually, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:35.679 Jumbo I can do that, So what what can you? Firstly, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:43.120 what's the difference between burnout and mental fatigue and stress 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.760 and anxiety or these all intersecting variables that live under 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.880 the one roof and their first cousins or something. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.320 Well, I feel like it's a really subjective term when 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.160 you think about it, right, A lot of people you 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.280 know will have different views about it. I like to 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.520 think of burnout is you've reached your capacity, Like you 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:08.680 feel like you're completely and utterly mentally fatigued. You've lost 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.280 that compassion perhaps for your job, You've lost a drive, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.239 you've lost the motivation, you've become really negative about your role. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.000 You don't see how this will get better. And quite 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.880 often a lot of people I would say a crispy 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.200 where they're like on the path towards burn out, and 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.760 they stay in that crispiness for ages, and then something 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.440 often kind of pushes them over the edge to that burnout, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.600 and often that looks like either you know, having to 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.080 take leave from their job, stress leave or quitting or 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.440 actually not being able to function. So I would say 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.520 burnout is probably reaching that point right, But right up 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.319 until then, there's that crispiness it's like, are they bent out? 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.760 Are they on the road to burn out? I think 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.320 it's really subjective. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:50.600 Though, and what are the kind of I might be 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.920 heading towards that signs and symptoms where maybe I need 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.160 to take a day off, week off, a month off. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.000 Maybe I need another job, maybe I need a different environment. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.400 I don't know what's kind of what might be bubbling 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.760 up that we can be aware of so we don't 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.360 just keep pushing the accelerator to the floorboard. 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.360 I would say that exhaustion both mentally and physically, that 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.880 loss of motivation and drive for the job, struggling even 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.560 to get out of bed, or struggling to engage in 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.400 activities that would bring you joy before, but now you 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.559 just don't have any desire to do anything outside work 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.760 because you're so exhausted. I'd say even in the role, 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.760 getting really cynical or negative about the role, not seeing 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:36.240 any change, like feeling like it's just not rewarding, you know, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.120 lost that kind of either passion for the job or 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.280 just you know, wanting to be there and do the role, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.160 like kind of you're physically there, but you've checked out. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.200 Yeah, I reckon to feel free to jump in. I reckon. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.000 Like in life, a lot of things have a used 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.400 by date. You know, bread's got to use by date, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.360 milk's got to use by date. But I think also 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.079 jobs or careers, or environments, or obviously relationships or even 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.400 training protocols where you know, the way that I trained 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.560 worked really great for a while, and then it became 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.240 less efficient and less effective. So I needed to ramp 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.480 it up or change. I needed some variety or some 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.720 progression or some reduction in recovery time. I needed to 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.480 manipulate the variables to get a different response or in 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.160 my case, so I started in gyms in nineteen eighty two. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.640 I started personal training in eighty six. I set up 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.920 my first center in nine point ninety. So by the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:38.920 time I sold my gym I started ninety two, it 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.440 was about thirty two or three years later. And by 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.800 the time I sold it, I wasn't burnt out, but 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.760 I was just getting no joy. I didn't you know. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.440 I still love helping people, but I felt like I 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.520 was I was not only was I not growing, I 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.680 kind of and maybe I wasn't, but I felt like 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.600 I was going backwards. Because how many times can you 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.480 talk about bums and legs and carbs and adjust a 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.800 bloody bike seat and hand someone a pair of dumbbells 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.360 and set the bloody treadmill up, and not that they're 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.280 bad things, but after you do that sixty seven million times, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.760 you know, I think you need some kind for me anyway. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.200 I needed a different environment or a different job, or 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.240 to talk to different people or think about different things, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.800 or to be able to keep expanding and learning, because 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.800 it just for me. It got to the point where 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.280 I didn't hate it, but I reckon another six months, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.960 I would have hated it gone. Even though it's a 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.160 good job. Yeah, yeah, And it. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.200 Doesn't necessarily be a bad job, right. Every job is, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.640 you know, susceptible off this as well. And I think 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.640 a lot of the helping professions, right, NASA's teachers, people 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.760 working in a therapist even it doesn't mean that the 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.040 job's bad or that the workplace is bad, but it's 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.480 a combination of things, right, that can really add to 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.880 the loads. So I think we're you said there around change. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.000 I think quite often people are really resistance to change 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.320 change and that kind of contributes to to them reaching 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:03.800 that point. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.960 That's a good point, because people are resistant to change 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.520 but change sometimes is going to be the solution to 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.920 the burnout, or at least part of the solution. Right. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.280 Well, change inevitable, and I think often people don't want that, 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:18.959 right They just want, like I just want a job 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.160 and I want to get my head around it, and 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.719 then that is it, and then things change in their 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.120 environment and then that would require them to adapt, and 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.440 I think there's that resistance to do that. And like 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.120 you said, I think change is necessary. It's inevita part 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:33.480 of life. And I think if the more that we 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.800 can embrace it, even in a playful way of like 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.800 what else could I be doing? And what you know, 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.480 what about this could really shift? And what could I 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.840 actually tweak to make this a better fit for me? 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.559 That can be playful, that can be exciting, That can 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.439 you know when we actually are open to exploring the possibilities. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.040 But quite often we don't feel that way. 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:50.240 Right. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.720 We're trying to resist that change. We're trying to push 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.360 through just work harder. Yeah, we think it's a time 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.040 management thing rather than an energy management issue as well. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.840 And also it's a how do I respond individually to 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.320 this situation or this stress or this stimulus or this 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:15.480 event or like I was talking this morning at the 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.840 cafe with a made of mind Deno shout out to Dean. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.800 He's a fiery and we're just talking about Yeah, we're 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:29.320 talking about, broadly speaking, people's ability to perform under pressure. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.920 So whether or not you're a cop, whether or not 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.920 you're a policeman or a nurse, or a doctor, or 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.080 an elite athlete or a soldier or you know, anyone 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.520 putting themselves into situations that are not comfortable, not certain, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:51.000 not necessarily predictable, maybe not familiar, but being able to 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.000 just go in there and do what you need to 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.080 do and to manage the fear of the anxiety, the biology, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.000 the psychology, the emotion, all of it. Like some people 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.080 do great with that, some people melt down with that. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.640 But that's again, it's less about what's going on and 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.760 more about how the individual navigates or deals with personally 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.680 what's going on, right, well, how. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.480 They approach it. I think you've made a really good point, Like, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.160 look at an athlete right there, for example, gearing up 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.480 for a race, and so they're training in a certain 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.440 way and it's super intense and they're looking at their 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.040 nutrition and then they do the race, they have to 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.960 obviously highly perform, but then they have this period of 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.080 rest I'm sure right where their training looks different and 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.880 their nutrition looks different, and their recovery is their main focus. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.640 So no one actually works at a high level twenty 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.200 four seven like they're going to go through cycles. But 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.680 what happens in workplace is people don't go through cycles. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.680 They just try and perform at their top the whole time. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.480 They don't see the value in resting and recovering and 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.040 still doing the things that bring us during all of that. Yes, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.920 their intense high periods and stuff in those jobs, but 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.720 it should come with after that intense periods of rest 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.840 and recovery. But they don't create space in their lives 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.840 for that. You know, their weekends are just filled with 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.120 meeting other people's needs. It's or you know, doing all 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.920 the social things that they feel like they have to do, 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.320 the obligations, rather than looking at actually what they need 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.360 to sustain themselves, to preserve themselves so that they can 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.320 continue working at that high level. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:18.600 M and I guess to be able to understand your 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:23.320 mind and your body and your emotions and your nervous 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:28.160 system and your responses to whatever's going on, you know, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.120 to be able to go, oh, my body is telling 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.000 me I need some time off, Like my nervous system, 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.520 my blood pressure, my energy, my emotions, whatever are just 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.080 going and whether or not I need a day or 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:42.720 two off, or whether or not I need to go 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.640 somewhere else, do something else, whatever the change is. But 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:51.360 I think that ability to be able to tap into 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.320 the wisdom of our own body, that's always like sending 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:59.680 these messages and pay attention, you know, like that's a 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.040 big out of it too, I guess, But we don't 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.160 tend to do that, no. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.560 Because we haven't really seen that role modeled a lot, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.440 either in society or in our families, you know, in 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.360 terms of like not just being busy and pushing through 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.360 rest was often maybe you know, you know, it had 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:19.040 to be earned, right or where kind of Again, busyness 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.800 is a sign of like, oh yeah, good, you've got 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.400 lots on your plate. You know, you're helping out all 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.800 these people. So I think you're right, we're not in 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.720 tuned with our own signals in our body because we 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.520 haven't really been shown that. You know, how do we 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.520 know how to trust ourselves? How do we know when 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.120 we need rest? And how do we know when to 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.920 push through? Like that's that self trust right that we 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:39.760 often talk about. 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.160 So TIV in the pH three sixty framework, that addresses 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.240 quite a bit of this stuff too, doesn't it Like 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.000 knowing how your body and your brain and your energy 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.120 kind of works. Can you explain just simply and quickly 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.240 what Sam's writing it down what pH three sixty is. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.520 It's not you're not meant to know what it is. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.560 Just give her a snapshot and the listeners of what 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:03.960 it is. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.159 It's personalized health, and it brings together a whole range 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:14.520 of different biology, medicine, genes, DNA, a whole range of 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:19.639 other I guess sciences come together chronobiology, So understanding for 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:26.159 people's actual biology, what environments, what chronobiology, what type of 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.640 work people they need to be around, the type of socializing. 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.360 So it's just understanding how you interact with your environment 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.280 and what impact it has on your stress. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:38.760 That's really cool. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.800 Yeah, we have a guy on tell I'll shut up, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.880 I'll get that. Tell doctor Sam about doctor Cam who 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.320 he is, and a little bit more about things because 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.080 our listeners might want to go and do the test 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.280 as well. I reckon Sam would like to do the test. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.000 Doctor Cam's incredible and he's the found one of the 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.919 founders of the company, and you can go if you 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.240 just look up free test PhD sixty free test. There's 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.680 a free test that you can do, or you can 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.720 do a paid version. Get They've got an app called 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.800 Shay Personalized Health, so you get a whole personalized app 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:21.760 that tells you it's basically it's got AI now, so 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.639 you've got like a little virtual AI trainer. It tells 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.360 you what to eat, when to eat, when to train, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.440 how to train, how to move digestion. It tells you 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.720 exactly what individual foods you need and why, and that 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.320 changes seasonally as well as overall. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.200 Yeah, wow, it sounds far better when Cam doctor Cam. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.520 No, no, no, no, you're doing a good job. What 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.440 type are you? What type are you again, tiv. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.760 I'm an activator. There's six main health types, and within 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.240 those six main health types, there's a three hundred and 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:59.080 sixty degree circle of different types that come into it. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.880 But the main health type categories will talk about what 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.879 hormone was most dominant as you're in embryo, So for myself, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.520 it was the sex hormones of adrenaline, and testosterone, so 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.200 that dictates how your body forms and grows at that stage. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:22.800 So activators will generally be more inclined to be more muscular, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:29.960 lean and muscular, more competitive, more aggressive, more reactive, and 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:35.520 less detail focused and early morning people like your crossfitters, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.879 your early morning trainers. And then you've got on the 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.800 other end of the spectrum, you've got a guardian. They 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.720 are driven by the prolactant as the hormone, so they're 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.439 very nurturing, like they're a lot of paramedics, a lot 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:52.160 of nurses, very nurturing people. They need to have stress 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:57.800 free mornings. And yeah, the whole the timing that you 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:01.800 do everything in your day within those hormones, how those 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.160 hormones flow throughout the day. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.840 Wow, So you found it really useful for you big 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.920 time and especially. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.359 For Sorry sorry, I was going to say a guardian slide. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.000 The labradors of the group. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:19.280 They so are connectors, actually connectors are they're next to it, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.560 and the connector is called the puppy dog. They each 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.840 have an animal, and the guardian is the bear, and 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:32.119 the activator is the cat, and the connector is the 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:32.680 puppy dog. 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.400 Because they're all about fun. So a connector. 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.439 So take myself and a connector, for example, we do 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.760 a similar style of exercise, but a connector needs to 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.720 do that in a group with people. They're people, folcus, 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.040 they have to do everything has to be having fun 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.800 and connecting with people, whereas an activator is very driven 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.159 to compete and perform and like punch people in the 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.520 face and do CrossFit and win. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.919 You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I don't need 0:20:57.920 --> 0:20:58.960 anyone and I've got. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.760 This yeah yeah, And it's really fascinating, Like I do it. 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.560 I do coaching with people, and it's not just physical 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.800 like I've done corporate coaching with people, where to understand 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.480 how you work and how potentially other people work, how 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.920 you communicate with someone who you know is not. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:21.240 Like you, yeah yeah, and appreciating those differences true, right, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.680 and seeing that as strengths, like for them to lend 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.000 their own body and what would work for them. Yeah. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.679 One of the first things I learned about myself was 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:29.760 that idea of letting go. 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.199 Of I thought, am I just do I have? Am 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:34.480 I obsessed with exercise? 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.679 Because I would train in the morning, and if I 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.720 trained in the morning, I'd finish work and I'd be like. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:39.760