WEBVTT - #2155 Endorphins, Not Pheremones - David Gillespie

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good everyone. It's Craig, Anthony, Harpert, Tiffany and cook

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<v Speaker 1>at David Bryan Gillespie. We should really learn his middle

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<v Speaker 1>name at some stage in the future so I can

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhat accurate. TIF, how are you going? You finished

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<v Speaker 1>eating lunch about seven seconds ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still eating it, bro, I'm still eating it.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you shoving in?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a little bit of a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>like a chucky moose, just a little snack to stop

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<v Speaker 2>me from getting angry mid gilespo episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody needs that. No, no, we definitely don't. And what

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful choice chocolate moose in the middle of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, surely if that's not the height of nutritional

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<v Speaker 1>honey performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what could I say? I'm just you know, bowles

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<v Speaker 2>of kale and avocado all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've told me this before. But being the

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<v Speaker 1>efficionado of chocolate that I know anyway, what's the number

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<v Speaker 1>one and two for you in terms of not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the fanciest or the most expensive, but just that you

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<v Speaker 1>like the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been I've been on the old gold lately. Just

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<v Speaker 2>this deard old old gold.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your basic that's your running the mill. Ron Harper

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<v Speaker 1>eats that you and Noms could get together have an

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<v Speaker 1>old Gold party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet you has Old Jamaica. Though you know I

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<v Speaker 2>spend an obscene amount of money on the what's it

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<v Speaker 2>called ceremonial grade cockow for my hot chocolates? That cow

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<v Speaker 2>cockow so expensive, But you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds it sounds like a raught. But what is

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? I'm sure I'm the only one who doesn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but ceremonial grade cockow doesn't really what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're just great marketing and I'm spending I'm paying

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<v Speaker 2>through the nose for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, hell gless, but that'll be. That'll be on buddy

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<v Speaker 1>substack next week. Ceremonial grade ceremonial grade cockw cock cow

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have giless? Buddy? You eat chocolate or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I do eat chocolate, but not not commercial chocolate.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my daughters is very very good at making

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<v Speaker 4>chocolate with dextros rather than sugar, and so she hand

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<v Speaker 4>makes it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think she uses ceremonial grade cocal though.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she just buys Woolworths grade cockw.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it taste like normal chocolate?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it tastes exactly like normal chocolate.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's absolutely no reason to poison yourself just to

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<v Speaker 4>eat chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there's no there's no comparable commercial equivalent of

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<v Speaker 1>what she makes.

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<v Speaker 3>There is, but you can only buy it in Germany.

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<v Speaker 4>So there seems to be for some reason, an enormous

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<v Speaker 4>market for froctose free chocolate in Germany, and there's a

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<v Speaker 4>manufacturer there who makes a lot of it. So whenever

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<v Speaker 4>you're in Germany, you can always pick up a burrow

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<v Speaker 4>of chocolate there, but no one imports it to Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>so you have to make it yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite, both of you, if you could, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to the actual show in a minute, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you could have a cheap food if you probably don't

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<v Speaker 1>care because you've got veins on your fucking and eyebrows. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've never seen Gillespie. I think he's actually some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cyborg. But imagine if I saw gilespo and

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<v Speaker 1>he just looked like Brad Pitt and he had abs

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<v Speaker 1>on his eyelids, and ow, I'd have to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually what I look like exactly exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite cheap food? Tip? Like, if you could

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<v Speaker 1>have a food whatever it was, that that magically didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any calories or negative impact, but you could scoff

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<v Speaker 1>it once a week, what would that be?

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<v Speaker 2>You say it like, I don't do that. That's not It's.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, Well forget the the precursor. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite binge food other than chocolate?

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<v Speaker 2>Other than chocolate, pistachio cookies from the cookie Hey there

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<v Speaker 2>cookie up the road?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have the binge gialspow?

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<v Speaker 3>Not really?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I have a favorite food. There's probably two.

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<v Speaker 4>I really like hot chips, yeah, and I don't mind

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<v Speaker 4>the occasional bowl of ice cream.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot chips are kind of like there's a really broad

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<v Speaker 1>from the big fat wedges which you dip a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of sour cream on or whatever, to the skinny

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<v Speaker 1>fries which are kind of disgusting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I prefer the sort of the in between ones,

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<v Speaker 4>you oldie traditional Australian hot chip shop chips, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the sort of medium sized ones and.

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<v Speaker 1>They come out and they look a bit yellow and

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<v Speaker 1>they're cooked in vegetablel.

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<v Speaker 4>No, we don't do that, cook them in tallow a

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<v Speaker 4>bit and makes them very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if anyone anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I came across a restaurant the other day, I'll give

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<v Speaker 4>them a bit of a plug on your show, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think I like to encourage this sort of behavior.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in Sydney and I went to a place

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<v Speaker 4>called twenty four York and it is remarkably inexpenser for

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<v Speaker 4>a steak restaurant. And they have a menu which is

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<v Speaker 4>very straightforward. It's steak and only one kind. The only

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<v Speaker 4>choice you get it whether or not to have an

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<v Speaker 4>extra side, to have a side slid with it, and

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<v Speaker 4>it comes with bottomless chips cooked in tallow.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's what you need. So I don't know everybody

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<v Speaker 1>needs that, but a one off can't hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the concept of bottomless chips. I mean they

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<v Speaker 3>give you such an enormous.

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<v Speaker 4>Amount anyway that I didn't actually take advantage of that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I know people who.

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<v Speaker 1>Would some there. Someone can go there with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>and just share, so the friend to eat the stakes

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<v Speaker 1>out bottom Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what if we just

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<v Speaker 1>sit there for four hours reordering chips.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't like that experience because I've got no self control,

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<v Speaker 2>so that just the idea of that almost piques my

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety uncontrolled, unsupervised chip.

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<v Speaker 4>But the big thing about it from my perspective was

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<v Speaker 4>not the nice way of doing a menu, which keeps

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<v Speaker 4>it really simple. It was the fact that the chips

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<v Speaker 4>cooked in tellow so I genuinely could eat as many

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<v Speaker 4>chips as I wanted, Not that I wanted that many, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I liked the idea. And all of that was

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<v Speaker 3>for like twenty four bucks, which I think is a bargain.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very cheap. And for the seven people who've

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<v Speaker 1>been living under a rock and do not know why

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<v Speaker 1>tallow and chips are acceptable on the Gillespie protocol, just

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<v Speaker 1>remind us why that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So, the dangerous thing about chips is when they're cooked

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<v Speaker 4>in seed oils, and almost all chips in Australia now

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<v Speaker 4>are cooked in seed oils because the Heart Foundation has

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<v Speaker 4>been running around forcing people to do it. McDonald's sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>The last major chain to switch from animal fat to

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<v Speaker 4>seed oil was a KFC who did it in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 4>McDonald's did it in two thousand and four where they

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<v Speaker 4>switched from animal fat to seed oils. Now, if they'd

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<v Speaker 4>stuck with animal fat. I'd be telling you it's perfectly

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<v Speaker 4>fine to go and eat your chips at McDonald's because

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<v Speaker 4>animal fat is very very low in the Amiga six fats,

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<v Speaker 4>which are quiteangerous for us unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 3>See it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oil is a chock full of them, and so you're

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<v Speaker 4>really doing it yourself and your children and your grandchildren

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<v Speaker 4>an enormous amount of harm every time you have anything

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<v Speaker 4>in that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You have you I mean, we're going to talk about well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about a few things, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we go there, have you ever kind of I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're always analyzing the habits and behaviors and patterns of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians and beyond, but you never looked at what like

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<v Speaker 1>the typical ossie eight one hundred years ago and compared

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<v Speaker 1>it to now just in terms of the nutritional value

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<v Speaker 1>in micros and macros and calories, and like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think in eighteen or nineteen twenty six, like a

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<v Speaker 1>daily intake compared to now.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not good data for Australians, but there is good

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<v Speaker 4>data for Americans, which is probably a reasonable proxy. They've

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<v Speaker 4>been measuring this sort of thing since nineteen oh nine.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you have a look at the nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 4>nine data for an American You mind it pretty surprising

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<v Speaker 4>because they ate an awful lot of meat and eggs

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<v Speaker 4>because breakfast cereal didn't exist or barely existed, or only

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<v Speaker 4>for whack jobs. Who are you imprisoned in mental facilities?

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<v Speaker 4>You know the story of why corn flax was invented? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>people masturbating, And there's quite a story to that's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaned in and opened her eyes this story.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was there was a a church.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you sound like a corn flake eater because

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<v Speaker 2>you do a lot of stuttering.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm trying to remember the names.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get the names wrong, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't really prepared to be talking about this, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>pretty sure it's correct. Me if I'm wrong, Craig, is

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<v Speaker 4>it Seventh day Adventist? I really don't want to get

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<v Speaker 4>that wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll check you too, you to check.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it is.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was a church had a real problem with

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<v Speaker 4>people eating meat as a because they felt that it

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<v Speaker 4>increased the propensity to masturbation and other things, and so

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<v Speaker 4>a part of their diet was that they had to

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<v Speaker 4>come up with an alternative to what was then the

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<v Speaker 4>standard American breakfast, which was basically meat and eggs, and

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<v Speaker 4>they invented what we now call corn flakes, which was

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<v Speaker 4>a vegetarian version of you know, the standard American breakfast.

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<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, that's just check on that religion that

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<v Speaker 4>I've got the right religion there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to go. Yes, conflicts are strongly connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the Seventh.

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<v Speaker 4>Day a Day Adventist and one of their founders was

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<v Speaker 4>one of the Kellogg brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, yes, well two of them, invented by doctor

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<v Speaker 1>John Harvey Kellogg and his brother will Keith Kellogg in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighth nine. In the late nineteenth century, the brothers

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<v Speaker 1>are working out Battle Creek Sanitarium in Michigan, USA, experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>with foods for patients. In eighteen ninety four, they accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that cooked wheat left sitting too long could be

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<v Speaker 1>rolled into flakes. They later switched from wheat to corn,

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<v Speaker 1>creating what became corn flakes. Well, what an interesting genesis

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<v Speaker 1>that was for the old breakfast cereal.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, and now it's what we all have. We're all

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<v Speaker 4>accidentally vegetarian for breakfast. But at the turn of the century, Americans, sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>excuse me, Americans and presumably Australians, probably Australians were eating

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<v Speaker 4>mostly cooked breakfasts, breakfasts for breakfast, cooked food for breakfasts,

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<v Speaker 4>and wash.

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<v Speaker 1>You never get tongue tied. I'm making a bloody reel

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<v Speaker 1>out of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got a frobm a throat. Must have eaten

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<v Speaker 4>too many frogs for breakas anyway, So the diet has

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<v Speaker 4>changed fairly significantly because we've transitioned away from a diet

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<v Speaker 4>which was largely centered around the idea that you have

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<v Speaker 4>two main meals in a day, So an agricultural focused

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<v Speaker 4>diet which was to give you a big, heavy meal

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<v Speaker 4>for breakfast to keep you going when you're out in

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<v Speaker 4>the fields all day, and then give you a follow

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<v Speaker 4>up meal at nighttime when you came home. So there

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't really any sort of a real sense of something

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<v Speaker 4>called lunch, and we've sort of inserted that. As the

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<v Speaker 4>Industrial Revolution took over and people started to have long

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<v Speaker 4>shifts in factories, they sort of inserted a meal in

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<v Speaker 4>the middle. But what's in those meals is quite interesting

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<v Speaker 4>because it's transitioned away from a largely meat an egg

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<v Speaker 4>based diet with vegetables. If you couldn't get meat and

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<v Speaker 4>eggs into what would own be described if you were

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<v Speaker 4>looking at it from their perspective. A vegetarian diet which

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<v Speaker 4>is largely wheat based, flour based, bread based, that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing, which is now the majority of the modern diet.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remind me what the original intention was behind the

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<v Speaker 1>corn flakes and the masturbation? What was it to reduce masturbation?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, because they were vegetarian, so they had to have

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<v Speaker 4>something that you could eat for breakfast that was vegetarian.

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<v Speaker 1>What has that got to do with massive?

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry they felt I know you're focusing on this, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to see if it worked out as

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<v Speaker 1>a concept.

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<v Speaker 4>They believed that meat inflame of the passions, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 4>r and would cause you to indulge.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit more than would otherwise be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So we're going to take it from a tasty

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<v Speaker 1>meat based diet to corn flakes and that should take that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just sort that out.

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<v Speaker 1>That should fix that quick sticks. Have you ever just

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<v Speaker 1>out of interest how to look at One of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends is a farmer, and he's always, not always, but

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<v Speaker 1>talking about semi regularly about the quality of the soil

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<v Speaker 1>and what things are grown in and the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>something you know, a crop might be a good environment,

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<v Speaker 1>might be good weather and all of that and good planning,

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<v Speaker 1>but the soil's crap is our soil getting crapper and

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<v Speaker 1>crapper and doing giving us poorer and poorer yields.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not. I mean, Australia starts really behind.

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<v Speaker 4>The eight ball there because we've got the worst soil

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<v Speaker 4>for growing stuff in in the world, all continent with

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<v Speaker 4>bad soil with not much nutrients.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 4>So we have to en nutrient, which we do with

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<v Speaker 4>fertilizers to get the kind of production we have. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you just step back and say, let's ignore the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that we're pumping a lot of fertilized are into

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<v Speaker 4>the soil, Australia's soil is probably better now than it's

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<v Speaker 4>ever been because of all of that, right right, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I want to touch on something you wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about five or six days ago, now, seven days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>a week ago, the tech to meth pipeline. If you

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<v Speaker 1>could give us a snapshot this. Every time Australia flushes,

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<v Speaker 1>the truth comes out. And right now our sewers are

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<v Speaker 1>spilling our darkest secrets. The latest national wastewater data is

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<v Speaker 1>exposed an eleven billion dollar catastrophe Australians are quietly consuming.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to this tip, This fucking mind blowing five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty three million hits of methan fetter many year,

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<v Speaker 1>securing our grim title as the second highest consumer of

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<v Speaker 1>the drug meth on Earth. But this story isn't about

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<v Speaker 1>illegal drugs or organized crime. It's terrifying. Look at what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when big tech breaks our brains, the medical system

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<v Speaker 1>hits its legal limit, and the dopamine star population turns

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<v Speaker 1>to the black market just to function. And here's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of stats. Australian's consumed, as it said, five and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three million doses of myth last year. That equates

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<v Speaker 1>to roughly twenty hits for every single man, woman and

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<v Speaker 1>child in the country. The illegal drug market is now

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<v Speaker 1>worth fourteen point three billion, with meth accounting for eleven

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<v Speaker 1>billion of that fourteen point three A technologically induced focus

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<v Speaker 1>epidemic has driven unprecedented demand pharmaceutical stimulants. Strict legal limits

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<v Speaker 1>on ADHD medications are inadvertently funneling desperate patients in to

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<v Speaker 1>the black market. Because they can't get enough of what

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<v Speaker 1>they want legally or by prescription, I guess. And the

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<v Speaker 1>pipeline is fast tracking and general general sorry, generational mental

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<v Speaker 1>health crisis and skyrocketing rates of permanent psychosis. So nothing

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<v Speaker 1>at all to worry about, David.

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<v Speaker 4>No, nothing to worry about at all. Let's start at

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<v Speaker 4>the top with the report. So you and I think

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<v Speaker 4>have talked about this before, that the National Crime Commission

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<v Speaker 4>conducts this survey of our wastewater and has been doing

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<v Speaker 4>it for quite some time. So they've got really high

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<v Speaker 4>quality long term stats about not what we say we do,

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<v Speaker 4>but what our toilets tell the Crime Commission we do.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they know exactly what people are taking based

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<v Speaker 4>on what chemicals are in the sewer system.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're not the only ones. This is done all

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<v Speaker 3>around the world.

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<v Speaker 4>There's now twenty six countries involved in this, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they've got really really accurate long term measurements of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got a new I've got a new title

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<v Speaker 1>for you next article, a book. It's called Your Poo

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<v Speaker 1>and you the great self, the Great Revealer of the bog.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, most people will be surprised that they do it,

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<v Speaker 4>but they do, and the reason they do it is

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<v Speaker 4>it's the only way you can get really statistically accurate

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<v Speaker 4>information about illegal drugs, and so they measure for everything.

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<v Speaker 4>But the one that's just absolutely blowing them away is meth.

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<v Speaker 4>It's now responsible for eight out of every ten dollars

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<v Speaker 4>spent on drugs in this country. It grew by twenty

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<v Speaker 4>three percent in the last year. The consumption of myth

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<v Speaker 4>grew by twenty three percent. That's never happened before in

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<v Speaker 4>the history of this report. They normally get, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes it goes up a little bit and sometimes it

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<v Speaker 4>goes down a little bit, but this kind of absolute

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<v Speaker 4>extreme growth and not just the you know, the others

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<v Speaker 4>grew as well, heroin and cocaine, we're all up in

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty percents as well, but to have something growing

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<v Speaker 4>that fast to those levels, and like I said, now

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<v Speaker 4>number two in the world for per capita consumption of myth.

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<v Speaker 4>Number one is the United States, but we're giving them

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<v Speaker 4>a run for their money. And that's a real concern

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<v Speaker 4>because one in three meth users as a psychotic event.

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<v Speaker 4>So psychotic events just so everyone knows, I mean, people

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<v Speaker 4>throw those terms around without really understanding what they mean.

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<v Speaker 4>A psychotic event means the person believes that the people

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<v Speaker 4>around them are actively trying to harm them, and that

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<v Speaker 4>it is perfectly acceptable to harm them in return to

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<v Speaker 4>defend yourself. So a psychotic event is not nothing. It

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<v Speaker 4>is a very dangerous thing to have occur and having

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<v Speaker 4>people then it's not something that they can control. They

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely believe that they are in danger and must do

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<v Speaker 4>whatever it takes to defend themselves. So increasingly we hear

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<v Speaker 4>about crimes being committed by people, and the crime is

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<v Speaker 4>often described as some of the person was having a

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<v Speaker 4>mental health episode, and usually what they mean is a

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<v Speaker 4>psychotic event. So we are ramping up the number of

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<v Speaker 4>people in our society exposed to drug that producers a

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<v Speaker 4>psychotic event one in three times.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dangerous. That is really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>But the interesting thing from the perspective of someone who

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<v Speaker 4>writes about mental health is why, why is this suddenly happening?

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<v Speaker 4>Why in Australia we've always had access to meth, we've

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<v Speaker 4>always had access to cocaine and heroin as illegal drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>Why is it suddenly happening when we've got better and

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<v Speaker 4>stronger law enforcement than we've ever had before. Better border

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<v Speaker 4>controls than we've ever had before. What's causing this to happen?

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm putting it together with something else in this article,

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<v Speaker 4>which is I'm saying we've got another type of emfetamine

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<v Speaker 4>drug which is exploding in use. Legally prescribed ampheta means

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<v Speaker 4>for ADHD grew more than thirty percent in the last year,

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<v Speaker 4>and more than thirty percent the year before that, and

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<v Speaker 4>more than thirty percent the year before that. We are

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<v Speaker 4>on a runaway train with legally prescribed and phetamines for ADHD. Yes, Now,

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<v Speaker 4>as I said to you before, and some of your

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<v Speaker 4>listeners will understand this, and I'll probably bored to death

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<v Speaker 4>for the next minute or so, but let's just step

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<v Speaker 4>back as to why ADHD people are being given amphetamines.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it's sort of counter and churitor. You've got a

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<v Speaker 4>kid bouncing off the walls. You don't sit to say

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<v Speaker 4>to yourself, well, you know what that kid needs is

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of speed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really going to help. But that's in fact how

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<v Speaker 3>it works.

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<v Speaker 4>So the reason that this works is that when you

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<v Speaker 4>become addicted to something, which is what happens when you're

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<v Speaker 4>programmatically addicted to social media, or gaming or gambling or

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 4>anything else, nicotine, alcohol, anything. The level of dopamine required

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.320
<v Speaker 4>by your brain in order for you to function normally increases.

0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:01.159
<v Speaker 4>You become you become immune the effects of dopamine, and

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<v Speaker 4>you require more, and that chasing of more and more

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 4>and more is what we call addiction. But that moving

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<v Speaker 4>of the baseline level means that in order for you

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.399
<v Speaker 4>to just function, you need a massive dopamine hit. The

0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 4>fastest way to get that is to take an amphetamine,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a dopamine stimulant. So that's what's happening in

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<v Speaker 4>the illegal drug market, which is it's growing massively the

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<v Speaker 4>number of stimulants. We're up to two hundred million doses

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<v Speaker 4>a year of legal amphetamine doses. That's people being handed

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<v Speaker 4>for their ADHD.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred million.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, so this is you know, it's still not a

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<v Speaker 4>patch on the illegal market. But what happens is that

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<v Speaker 4>once you're on that conveyor belt, the amphetamine hit makes

0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:58.040
<v Speaker 4>things worse longer term because it also ratchets up you're

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<v Speaker 4>required for dopamine. So you need a little bit more

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<v Speaker 4>next time, in a little bit more next time, a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more next time. The trouble is doctors can't

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<v Speaker 4>keep up in your dose of amphetamines because it's a

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous thing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>They're highly addictive.

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<v Speaker 4>Drugs and they're not going they wouldn't be medically responsible

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<v Speaker 4>to do it, and it is illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are strict prescription.

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<v Speaker 4>Limits on how much amphetamine a doctor can give you

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<v Speaker 4>for your ADHD, And when they hit those limits, you

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<v Speaker 4>just don't suddenly get better. You're just told, unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 4>can't give you any more. And I believe that's what's

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<v Speaker 4>driving the demand in the illegal meth amphetamine market, where

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<v Speaker 4>we now have more than twice as much mess being

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<v Speaker 4>sold illegally as we have amphetamines being sold legally. And

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, I keep using the terms meth for

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<v Speaker 4>illegal and antheta means for legal.

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<v Speaker 3>They're twins. They're identical, twin cousins.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, They're not exactly chemically the same, but they have

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<v Speaker 4>exactly the same effect. The myth just the meth addition

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<v Speaker 4>to the structure of the molecule just lets it get

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<v Speaker 4>across the blood brain barrier a little bit quicker, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's a little bit more potent, but it's essentially the

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<v Speaker 4>same chemical.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I ask you just a couple of questions I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to sound even dumber than usual here, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>never used recreational drugs ever, and I think the only

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<v Speaker 1>time I've ever been around drugs is a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times when people are smoking dope or something. So I

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<v Speaker 1>am genuinely ignorant in this space. But why is meth

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<v Speaker 1>so popular? Is it because it's easily available and it's

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<v Speaker 1>relatively cheap, or like or it gives people the best high?

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<v Speaker 1>Or I don't know, why is it such a standout?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the wrong term, But you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know is the answer. I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>all of the above.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's the most it's the closest equivalent to

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<v Speaker 4>the legal drugs people have been being prescribed and for

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<v Speaker 4>mean in terms of its effect, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>relatively available and relatively cheap, and it is also there's

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<v Speaker 4>also probably it's probably got a bit of an image

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<v Speaker 4>for advantage as well, in that it's, you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>guess someone's selling it would say this is the same

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<v Speaker 4>as the stuff you've been legally permitted to take. This

0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 4>is not heroin or cocaine, you know, So I guess

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 4>there's that marketing advantage to it as well. But I'm

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.640
<v Speaker 4>not intimate enough with the details of the drug market pace.

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<v Speaker 4>We could ask tiff, you know, to know which is

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<v Speaker 4>cheaper or more expensive, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that meth has had a good

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<v Speaker 2>pr manager. I wouldn't say that meth has any.

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<v Speaker 1>Good branding about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what the opposite is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they're doing okay, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, it's eight out of ten, every

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<v Speaker 4>eight out of ten dollars spent on drugs in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>going on men.

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<v Speaker 1>That's selling like hotcakes, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll stick with my Pistacia cookies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, Sorry, back to the tech meth pipeline.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So, if you're going to give a kid something

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<v Speaker 4>that drives up their both mean levels to the point

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 4>where they need medication just to function, which is what's happening,

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<v Speaker 4>and then that medication eventually eats its legal limits in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of how much you get, then you're manufacturing meth addicts.

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 3>That's what's going on. We're manufacturing meth addicts.

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<v Speaker 4>And if that was just unfortunate or a waste of

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<v Speaker 4>time or jeez, that's that's not a good thing, then

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 4>I guess you know, people could go test tisk, But

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 4>meth addicts become psychotics, becomes itzophrenics, and we are converting

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<v Speaker 4>a large percentage and growing every day of our youth

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 4>into ultimately drug induced psychotics. And that is not a

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<v Speaker 4>good thing for our society at all. And these numbers

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 4>are proving it out. This is it's not like me

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 4>having a theory and then saying and then the number

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 4>is not coming out. You know, if we had numbers

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 4>that showed that myth was actually going down in consumption,

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 4>then we've got to look somewhere else. But growing at

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 4>twenty three percent a year, that's incredible. That's beyond anything

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 4>we've ever seen before. And what I'm putting forward is

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 4>there's a really good reason for it, which is that

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 4>most people who need amphetamines as a stimulant drug just

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.880
<v Speaker 4>to get through the day. We'll tell you this thing.

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 4>These things work like magic. They take the drug and

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 4>straight away they are back to the way they used

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 4>to be. Straight Away they've lost all the mind fog

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 4>and the inability to focus, and for the duration or

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 4>the for hour duration of that drug, they can feel normal.

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 4>So this is what's going on and when a person

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 4>hits the prescribing limit for that, and the alternative is

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 4>to crash out without any thing, or obtain an equivalent

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 4>on the black market. It seems that's what they're doing.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And it's one of the ever present problems with

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>anything that gives you that greater impact almost instantly and

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>at last, you know, for four hours. But there's, like

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>you did, over time, obviously there's diminishing return. As you said,

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So the dose that you were prescribed worked, and then

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>you needed a bit more and a bit more, and

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>then it didn't. And then so we're kind of we're

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of pushing people into a box that they can't

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>get out of because it's it's not like, well, they

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>can take this and they'll be good moving forward now,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>because they've always got to take more and more to

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, offset the diminishing kind of capacity of the

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>receptors to get the same like effect.

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's the reality of what we're in. So we've

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 4>got a band aid that is in fact making the

0:27:56.359 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 4>problem worse, and there are no solutions to the rest

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 4>of it other than stopping it happening in the first place,

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 4>or somehow coming up with a unified national program to

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 4>get people off these drugs. But that's going to start

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 4>with stop giving them to them in the first place.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. And is there any I mean, is

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>there any foreseeable kind of solution or strategy that's going

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>to be somewhat effective to this, because it doesn't like,

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't paint a great picture for the future.

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 4>The best solution is just coincidentally in my latest book,

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 4>which is you're not the Prime minister, not last time

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 4>I looked, and you're not the government, and you can't

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 4>set policy and you can't do any of the things

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 4>that I just suggested. But what you can do is

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 4>fix yourself. What you can do is get off the

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 4>things that are the start of this pathway, regain control

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 4>over your dopamine in summation. The good news out of

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 4>this is that yes, whilst the brain is actually rewired

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 4>by this addiction, it can be wired back again by

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 4>just staying away from dope meine stimulation for three months.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 3>That's it. And in the book I do set out a.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Plan for how to do that, and it starts with

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 4>a thirty day period of absolute abstinence and then controlled reintroduction.

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 4>So it is possible to turn it around. It's very,

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 4>very much harder if you're addicted to methamphetamine. But if

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 4>you start at the start and acknowledge that what's going

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 4>on in your relationship with technology, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Is

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 4>in fact addiction, then and break that, then you're taking

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 4>yourself off the conveyor belt.

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>It's theoretically right, of course, but experientially and practically super difficult,

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>because you're kind of saying to an addict, don't be

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>an addict. Don't see what addicts do, Like, I know

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you're addicted, but just stop it.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, if we were easy, you wouldn't be an addict.

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 4>I have absolutely no trouble at all stopping eating broccoli.

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 4>It's no trouble at all because I'm not addicted to it.

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 4>The definition of addiction is it's hard to stop, which

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 4>is why you need a plan for how to do it,

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 4>which is why I bothered writing a book about it.

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is a bit of a left term,

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>but just and this is not advice or anything everyone,

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>but just a broad opinion of the effectiveness or otherwise

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of treatment centers, rehabs, Like have you opened the door

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and had to look at that at.

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 3>All I have. I have and done it quite thoroughly.

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 4>It depends what they do and how they do it.

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 4>But if what is going on in that treatment center

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 4>is keeping you away from all forms of dopamine stimulation

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 4>for at least thirty days, then you have a significantly

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 4>higher chance of breaking in an addiction. There are other

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 4>things that work that we know work. So I did

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 4>a thorough analysis of all of the things that people

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 4>have ever done for breaking addictions of all kinds, and

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 4>the one that comes up absolute top is alcoholics anonymous.

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 4>Not because of the particulars of how it's done, which

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 4>is a heavily religious oriented thing because it started with

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 4>a church group, but if you just look at exactly

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 4>what they're asking you to do, and the important things

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 4>are regular meetings in person where you are accountable for

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 4>what you've done in the last set even days, So

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 4>that accountability thing is a strong factor in its success.

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Now they claim that they achieve rates of up to

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 4>thirty percent, so one in three people who do this

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 4>actually do manage to break their alcoholism. Now, by definition,

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 4>they're anonymous, so it's very hard to verify that, but

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 4>it seems consistent with the research in this area that

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 4>suggests a methodology like that will work. What doesn't matter

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 4>is the qualifications of the person who's leading the group,

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 4>whether they're a psychologist, doctor, whatever, or just a person

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 4>who was once an addict to themselves. It's all fine.

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 4>It's important though, to have that accountability element to it,

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 4>which is why in the plan that I put together,

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 4>accountability is one of the core features of it. You

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 4>have to have a mechanism where you are publicly accountable

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 4>to someone other than yourself or the fact that you

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 4>have stayed off the addicting thing.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Kind of a silly analogy, but kind of true. Is

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the fact that, like when I started personal training back

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>when you were in your twenties and so was I,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>there were no personal trainers in Australia, so there was

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that we kind of it would have happened despite me anyway,

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>but I introduced you know where, Now people have got

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>structure and process and accountability. They've got appointment times two

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 1>or three days a week or whatever it was. So

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>people who had access to the gym before but didn't go,

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>now they've got someone waiting for them on a set

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>data to set time, and not because they got better

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>genetics or necessarily even better information. But just because they

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>were required to be with somebody for an hour three

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>times a week, people got drastically better results than the

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>regular gym members who didn't have that accountability. So, yeah,

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. I think some having someone or someone's

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>else kind of invested in, or at least supportive of,

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>or curious about your endeavors to change and get clean

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and sober, or improve or get more muscle or get

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 1>fit or whatever it is. I reckon it. It's a

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>big part of it. I think that social kind of

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.240
<v Speaker 1>intersection of people on a similar path is really important.

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 3>There's oh no, no, let's dig into that one a

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 3>little bit.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 4>So there's good neuropsychology behind that, which is we get

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 4>an oxytocin hit when we do something that other people

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 4>tell us they like. So if you have a gym buddy,

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 4>if you have someone who is going to turn up

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 4>and expect you to be there and is going to

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 4>support you and doing it, and you're going to support them,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 4>you're both giving each other oxytocin hits. It's why there's

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 4>plenty of studies on this. You probably know them better

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 4>than I do. The people who work out alone are

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 4>much less likely to stick out it than people who

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 4>work out with a partner. And it's that oxytocin feedback

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 4>loop where social animals neurochemicals which are designed to reinforce

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 4>that social aspect to our lives, and so being accountable

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 4>to somebody is a big part of why alcoholics anonymous works.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 4>It's a big part of why that gym thing works.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 4>It's you get feedback from that person, which is positive

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 4>because you showed up. And eventually, with jimming, you get

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 4>to the point where you're also generating pheromones from doing it. Pheromones, pheromones,

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 4>you're not a cat were You're also generating orphans endorphins. Sorry,

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 4>see Midday, I'm off, I'm completely off my game here,

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 4>and do orphans from doing it, because you know, the

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 4>harder and harder it gets, the more endorphins you've produced

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 4>as painkillers essentially, and they themselves are addictive, so you

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 4>convert the mild head of the oxytocin to the stronger

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 4>head of the endorphins.

0:35:55.880 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I might call this episode pheromones and endorphins, and then

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.799
<v Speaker 1>in brackets wait for it, I think also, I don't

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.720
<v Speaker 1>know what it is now, but there was a period

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>over the last twenty years in Australia, where the average

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>active gym membership GLESPO was fifteen percent, which meant that

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>for every hundred current gym members so people who currently

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>have a membership, eighty five of them didn't go either

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 1>at all or more than once a week. So the

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>people who set out where they went, they joined a gym,

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>they paid their money, they got a program, they were

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>fully intended that they would go and train three or

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>four days a week. They changed their body life thinking

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>habits da dada. Yeah. Well, and truly more than half

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the people have a membership don't go at all. And

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>you think about the little gym that I train at.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll give them a shout out snap, which is a

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 1>little gym up in Moravin, but well it's not that

0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>little actually used to be one of my gyms. But anyway,

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not a huge gym. But I don't know what

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>they would have, but it would have to be well

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 1>over twelve thirteen to fourteen handred members. And you think, wow,

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>if even a tenth of them rock up tonight for

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>a workout, like, we're in trouble. Because they know that

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is not the fault of the gym's But

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I had this sorry this is I'm trying not to

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>drag this on, but I had basically a teacher, a

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>mentor who I worked for in the eighties and he

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>had the biggest gym in Australia was called Ringwood Supergym

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and forty four thousand square feet. Anyway, one day, we're

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 1>doing this sales thing and we're just selling the shit

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>out of memberships and people were coming in. And even

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>though it was huge, I said to him one day, like,

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>when do we stop selling memberships? And he looked me

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>like I was a Martian and he goes, we don't.

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.359
<v Speaker 1>And I go, but how many people can we fit in?

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 1>And he said, it doesn't matter. They won't come. He goes,

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of them, like a lot of them

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 1>that come through the door, all enthusiastic. And I was

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.919
<v Speaker 1>in my twenties. I'm like what he goes, Yeah, you watch,

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 1>most of them won't come. They'll say they'll come, they

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 1>sign up, they'll pay their dough and it's here for them.

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 1>We're here for them, the facilities here, the resources are here. Yeah,

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's that oh yeah, And I think back to

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>the you know when personal training started in Australia. A

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were critical, saying, well, basically, you're just

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 1>it's more to it than this. But in a way,

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I understand the obception. You're standing next to someone while

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they do a workout and getting whatever. Back in the day,

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 1>it was like forty bucks when gym instructors were earning

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>twelve bucks, right, and I'd say, yeah, that's kind of right.

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a bit more than that's kind of right. But

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the truth is, if I'm not standing here, they won't

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>come in and they won't turn up and they won't

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then.

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people are like, ah, just do it yourself. What's

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>the I'm like, I agree with you. Theoretically that is brilliant. Practically,

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.439
<v Speaker 1>in the real world people don't show up.

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, accountability matters, And I guess the other stat is

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 4>probably that most of those gym memberships are required.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:58.240
<v Speaker 3>In January.

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 4>There's a stat in book industry that you sell more

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 4>diet books in January than you sell in the rest

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 4>of the year combined.

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well, of course, of course. Now before we go,

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>so your new book is just out a week ago

0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>now or so. The attention recovery plan you've generously given

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<v Speaker 1>or donated five books to some of my listeners. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a little kind of you know what was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a thing on my Facebook page for the

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<v Speaker 1>U Project and I said to them, I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think, how do I give away books? So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like totally random and I'm not preferencing anyone, and nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>got any advantage. And I said, here's the thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I used to live in this house in

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<v Speaker 1>the tro Valley, and the number of the house is

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<v Speaker 1>between one and one hundred. So the person who guesses

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<v Speaker 1>the number, the five people who get closest to the

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<v Speaker 1>number get the number, or get closest to the number,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get a book. And as I after I've done that,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, fuck, what if six guests the right number,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in trouble. But anyway, so we had about I

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<v Speaker 1>think somewhere like one hundred and fifty or sixty people

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<v Speaker 1>came in and guessed the number between one and one hundred,

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<v Speaker 1>and not one of them guessed the number, like nobody

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<v Speaker 1>guessed the number, which I well, the number was thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>To say it was one hundred and five.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, no, yeah, thirty six. I think four people

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<v Speaker 1>guess thirty seven and one maybe guest thirty three or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But yeah, anyway, so how has it gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you selling a few?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, absolutely no idea. It's been out there for a week.

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<v Speaker 4>And the publisher of the last thing in the world

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<v Speaker 4>they will tell me is anything after it's only been

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<v Speaker 4>out there a week.

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<v Speaker 3>So absolutely no idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, look, I don't as you know, Craig, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>become a billionaire from selling books. The only reason I

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<v Speaker 4>write them is in the hope that the problem that

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<v Speaker 4>the book identifies, you know, that the book can help you,

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<v Speaker 4>at a personal level, solve that problem. And as I said,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not about policy. This is not about changing

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<v Speaker 4>the drug market or you know, the ADHD medication mark

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<v Speaker 4>or any of that sort of stuff, just like the

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<v Speaker 4>sugar books were not about changing the market there. It's

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<v Speaker 4>about saying, okay, well there's one person you can help,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the person reading the book, and this is

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<v Speaker 4>a formula for them, and if they apply it, it'll

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<v Speaker 4>help them, and you know, good on them if they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, remember we were talking about a certain person before

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<v Speaker 1>we went live and an experience that you just had

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<v Speaker 1>around self promotion.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are we talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say because we're on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe someone you sign it out, Maybe someone that.

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<v Speaker 1>You recently encountered. Oh yes, yeah, of course, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with your brain? That was like a ten minute chad

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<v Speaker 1>one minute before the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it was an hour ago though, so that person

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't harps.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like and you looked at me like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>anyway glessose the opposite of that less pose the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of that person, Yes, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>And thank good?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, fucking try harder to sell your book, will you?

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<v Speaker 1>You're the worst promoter of your own shit in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of promotion. Hey, everyone to call the attention recovery plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I've just had a bit of a look. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not telling you where to go or where not

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Of course, you can order it online through

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<v Speaker 1>Pam McMillan I think it is, yes, Or you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to hang on hear me out, You can go

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<v Speaker 1>to where can you go? You can go to Dimmicks

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty some bucks or or Big W and pay

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five bucks.

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<v Speaker 4>Or you just got an Amazon I think similar price

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<v Speaker 4>to Big W. There it didn't look anywhere that sells books.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, there's a variety of prices you'll pay, so

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<v Speaker 4>look around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, we appreciate you. We'll say goodbye a fair

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<v Speaker 1>and tif can you go and have some fucking omega

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<v Speaker 1>threes or something? Eat eat a fish for lunch?

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<v Speaker 5>God, god, oh goodness what And you looked at me

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<v Speaker 5>like dumbfounded. We had this whole conversation and you're like, nah.

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<v Speaker 1>Bless foe, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>See yeah for the pleasure, see you later.