1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,479 Speaker 1: On SCO lils Oskodio. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: This it's the reader Panahi Show. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the reader panehe Show. Coming 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 3: up tonight, we have a packed program for you. Senator 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 3: Hanson Young's anti Trump rant has been locked far and wide. 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: We will have a look at what she had to 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: say with Nick Kator. The Great Michael Schellenberger is in 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: the country and has a warning about free speech. 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 4: In Australia as the Albert Easy government. 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: Presses ahead with its all welling and censorship legislation. 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 4: Also joining me tonight is. 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: Pressure Gator to discuss the latest from the US, and 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: later in the hour Kinsey Schofield will give us an 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: update on Prince Harry's latest stunt and of course left 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: He's losing it. 16 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 5: Hey, this is a series about cutting off your trumpy 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 5: family members. Why do you need to be perfect? 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: Let's bring in senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: and columnists with Australia newspaper, Nick Cata. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 4: Nick, in your. 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: Latest piece for the ODS, you noted that despite all 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: the big talk about climate change, labor has failed to 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: bring down Australia's carbon emissions, rendering their claims of climate 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: progress as mere posturing. What's happened to Chris Bowen's grand plans? 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 6: Well, he hasn't brought down electricity prices either, has he 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 6: read from In fact, they've gone the other way. I 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 6: suppose the best you can say with emissions is they've 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 6: been static. They've flatlined under labor in the last two years, 29 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 6: two financial years, whereas they've been coming down slowly but 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 6: steadily really since two thousand and five, and that stopped 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 6: under labor. They may blame a lot of things for that. 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 6: One of the things I suspect maybe immigration. You know, 33 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 6: if you bring nearly a million people into the country, 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 6: you're going to. 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Add to carbon emissions. But fact is that we're going 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: through all this pain. 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 6: We're desecrating our countryside, we're putting three through financial pain, 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 6: we're putting the poor people in broken hill will without 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 6: electricity pretty much or a fortnite and all this is 40 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 6: achieving nothing. 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: Nothing. We are not bringing down. 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 6: Emissions if you think that's important, as apparently labor does. 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: So what's it all about? What's it for? Chris Bowen? 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: Can you tell us? 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 3: Well, you've also written about the COP conferences. You say 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: they've basically become a redistribution of wealth conference. You've got 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: rich countries like Australia handing over huge amounts of cash 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: to poorer countries. Is COP twenty nine just a honey 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: pot for renewable energy rent seekers? 50 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 6: Nick, Well, that's what they're trying to do. They're creating 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 6: this huge fund. Now they've stopped chasing climate targets and 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 6: are chasing finance targets. Well, interestingly, Rita and I don't 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 6: think I covered this in my piece what's happening on 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 6: the it's very interesting nuclear is coming back into fashion. 55 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 6: At the COP conference nine years ago at Paris, when 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 6: they've set those Paris targets, it wasn't mentioned. Nuclear was 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 6: a dirty word. Even the French didn't talk about it, 58 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 6: and they're so good at it. But last year, of course, 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 6: twenty five countries signed up for the agreement to triple 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 6: the amount of nuclear power by twenty fifty. This time 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 6: another seven I think countries signed onto that. So labor 62 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 6: is very much out of step with the rest of 63 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 6: the world on this. Quietly, they're going nuclear because that's 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 6: the only solution to their problems. 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Now let's talk about British car giant Jaguar. 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: I don't know if they're a giant, but there's certainly. 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: A luxury car brand and they seem determined to bud 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: light themselves. Have a look at this woke rebrand. Okay, 69 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: a classic car brand no more. I'm not sure what 70 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: any of that was about, but it shouldn't come as 71 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: a huge shock when you look at who maybe behind 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: that particular marketing campaign. 73 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 7: We've established over fifteen DEI groups such as Pride, who 74 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 7: are here tonight in They're back, Thank you guys for 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 7: coming women in engineering and neurodiversity matters. We've launched major 76 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 7: policy revision such as transitioning at work. 77 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: Transitioning at work. 78 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: That's Jaguar's UK brand director Nick. What do you think 79 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: of this rebrand? Am I being too negative? Is this 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: what's needed for them to reach a new market. I 81 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: wouldn't have thought too many Jaguar drivers would be on 82 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: board with some of the I don't even know what 83 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: that ad was. It just all looked fairly bizarre and lame. 84 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: It didn't look like innovation or exciting or anything particularly 85 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: visually enthralling. 86 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: Well there were no cars, were there. 87 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 6: You'd think that they want to show it come Jaguar 88 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 6: used to be all about the cars. You know, I 89 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 6: grew up lusting after the E type Jag, which was 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 6: sort of synonymous at that time with you know, women 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 6: in short skirts and boots to climb into these things 92 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 6: in the advertisements in the UK. How much of it 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 6: it has changed now they won't even show you the 94 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 6: car I got. 95 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: They're going to go all in electric. 96 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 6: But I see Jaguar used to have a slogan which 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 6: was the art of performance, so I think they're staying 98 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 6: true to that. This is very much a performance, isn't it. 99 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 6: It's a cultural performance to show how hip and woke 100 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 6: they are. But I'm not sure that that's really a 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 6: very big market for cars. And to take something that 102 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 6: used to be you know, really exciting, fast and dangerous 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 6: cars and to turn it into this, it's. 104 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Not going to work, is it. 105 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 6: I think that we're going to see that company go 106 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 6: downhill much faster than Bud Like. 107 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: Well, it's a much bigger investment, isn't it. Eddie. 108 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: You have to wonder what people's perception of the brand 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: is going to be if they persist with this new direction. 110 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: Let's hear from Green Senator Sarah Hanson Young. I mentioned 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: her at the top of the show. She's gone on 112 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: this anti Trump tirade, and this clip is now circulating 113 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: on social media, plenty of mockery. I want your honest opinion, Nick, 114 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: about what Sarah Hanson Young has to say here. 115 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 8: So many Australians are pretty anxious since the results of 116 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 8: the US election. The majority of Australians actually, when they're 117 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 8: asked about how they would have voted, was that they 118 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 8: rejected the Trump election, and rightly. 119 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: So, because he's extreme. He's unstable, he's. 120 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 8: Irrational, he's dangerous, he's nasty, he's a felon. He assaults women, 121 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 8: he attacks minorities, he takes away women's rights but gives 122 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 8: all the power to his billionaire mates. 123 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 9: Wow. 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: She had a lot of things to say there. 125 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: Apparently he's an extremist, dangerous, assaulting women, attacking minorities, and 126 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: plenty of other things she had. 127 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: To say there. What do you make of that? 128 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: Is that the considered opinion of not just the Greens, 129 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 3: but the majority of the Labor Party. 130 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, I suspect it is. 131 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 6: I'm interested, she says, the majority of Australians would feel 132 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 6: this way. That's not my experienced reader but maybe you 133 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 6: and I mixed in different circles. She's seriously, seriously been 134 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 6: put out by Donald Trump. It seems to have seriously 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 6: disturbed and made a very anxious indeed, like many people 136 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 6: on that side of politics. Frankly, I mean, I'm not 137 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 6: going to be much help to you. I'd like to 138 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 6: tell you what's going on in her head, but I 139 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 6: just do not understand why people have this visceral reaction 140 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 6: towards Trump, who you know, seems to have You know, 141 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 6: the American people voted for them in huge numbers. You 142 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 6: know they've got popular vote. He's a popular elected president, 143 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 6: and you know he probably do well. I make some mistakes, 144 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 6: no doubt they all do. But why do people get 145 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 6: so anxious about the American president? I just do not 146 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 6: understand why. 147 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of it has to do with 148 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with some very 149 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: poor reporting on US domestic politics that we see here. Sadly, 150 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: it's just a regurgitation of MSNBCCN and talking points. So 151 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: if you speak to Australians who are aggrieved with Trump's 152 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: triumph at this election, and you ask them what troubles 153 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 3: them about the president, you very quickly work out that 154 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: they're largely ignorant of what's actually happened, and they've been 155 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: typically misinformed. So I have some sympathy for Senator Hanson Young. 156 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 3: Perhaps she's been watching too much of Channel nine and 157 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: the ABC Nikata. Thanks for your time tonight. Joining me 158 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: now is author, award winning independent journalist and CBR Chair 159 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: of Politics, Censorship and Free Speech at the University of Austin, 160 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,479 Speaker 3: Michael Schallenberger. 161 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 10: Now. 162 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: Michael's the man who exposed the Twitter files and is 163 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: currently in Australia on a quest to qu Labour's dangerous 164 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: Misinformation Bill. 165 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time. 166 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: You've been in Parliament House talking to the politicians. Tell 167 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: me what you've learned and will this bill pass the 168 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: Upper House? Is this going to pass the Senate and 169 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: become law? 170 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: Hey? Read it. It's great to be with you, it's 171 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: great to be in Australia. I mean, I don't think 172 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: this legislation will pass. It's just too crazy. I don't 173 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: know what else to say about it. It's so sweeping. 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it basically would allow the Prime Minister and 175 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: the Communications Minister to criminalize any kind of speech. It 176 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: has a provision that allows them to censor misleading speech, 177 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: which is just speech where people might get the wrong 178 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: idea from true facts and accurate information. I think people 179 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: forget that we have this wonderful solution to misinformation already. 180 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: It's called freedom of speech, it's called correcting misinformation. As 181 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: you know in our conversations in the past and everything 182 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: from climate change to crime. I'm the media itself and 183 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: the government itself are the main purveyors of misinformation. We 184 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: saw it on COVID origins, on the COVID vaccine. So 185 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: the solution to misinformation is to correct the information. Censorship 186 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: is never about the truth. It's always about power and control, 187 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: and that's clearly what this government feels like it needs. 188 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: It needs to It feels like it needs to exercise 189 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: control over the people. I think people see that it's 190 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: a sinister approach. The senators that we talked to, including 191 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: the crossbenchers, the unaffiliated senators, we're adamant that this is 192 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: not something that the Australian people want, and it appears 193 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: as that the Australian people themselves have now weighed in 194 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: with a significant number of negative comments to the Senate. 195 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: Now, amongst those crossbenches. Did you get a commitment from 196 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: them that they won't vote for this bill? 197 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Well, it certainly at least from David Vann, who we 198 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: met with. Senator Van absolutely committed and agreed to take 199 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: a selfie with me to affirm that, and he said 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: he had heard from a lot of his constituents on 201 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: X formerly Twitter objecting to this. I mean the universally. 202 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Senators said that this had really triggered a firestorm of 203 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: opposition and concern from ordinary folks in Australia. You know, 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: people particularly I think on X have been alarmed by 205 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: the amount of censorship that's been demanded by governments around 206 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: the world, the European Union, Ireland, Brazil, Canada, even in 207 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: the United States. We saw these efforts from sort of 208 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: deep state agencies to demand censorship. I think that this 209 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: has kind of made people more aware of the threat 210 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: and more you know, more resistant, and much more active 211 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: in opposing it. 212 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: And your reporting on this bill has brought the legislation 213 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: to the attention of people around the world, many Americans, 214 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: including the world's richest. 215 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 4: Man, Elon Musk. 216 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: What has been the reaction in America to what's happening here. 217 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: I've seen it described as Soviet style assault on free speech. 218 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 4: Is that how they see this. 219 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: And are we being perceived as a country that's lost 220 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: its way when it comes to free speech? 221 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean Americans love Australia. I mean, 222 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 1: we certainly come here to visit as tourists. We have 223 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: a real affection for the Australian people who come and 224 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: visit us in the United States, I think we're all 225 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: really shocked. It's what's happening down Under has sort of 226 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: been the question for people. It's been a you know, 227 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: what's disturbing is that many of the similar tactics that 228 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: this government is proposing, including the use of supposedly unbiased 229 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: fact checkers who in fact are very biased, has been 230 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: proven by studies by the Institute for Public Affairs and others. 231 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: They've evaluated this in an objective way. So I think 232 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: we're all really shocked. I mean, we think of Australia 233 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: as as a free country. As part of the Five 234 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: Eyes nations, we have a very close nation security and 235 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: intelligence relationship and that is part of the concern as 236 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: well as it appears that some of this is coming 237 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: from the intelligence and security agencies between our governments and 238 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: that's obviously completely inappropriate and illegal, and so any whiff 239 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: of that and I think you start to really trigger 240 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: some serious concerns, both in the United States and here 241 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: in Australia. 242 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: Michael, what do you make of our e Karen the 243 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: E Safety Commissioner, Julie Inman Grant, who has politicized her 244 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: office repeatedly and even sued Elon Musk's X in an 245 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 3: effort to censor content. How responsible is she for what 246 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: we're seeing right now? 247 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's a huge concern. I mean, this is 248 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: an American in Australia working for the Australian government. She 249 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: came under pretty mysterious circumstances. She sort of confessed when 250 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: she came that she had been recruited by the CIA, 251 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: but was supposedly not working for the CIA. We had 252 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: seen other supposedly former CIA people involved in censorship in 253 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: the United States. We can't really get to the bottom 254 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: of what was going on here. It appears though that 255 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: this is a counter populist reaction after twenty sixteen to 256 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: Brexit and the election of Trump, where you see either 257 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: current or former intelligence officials in government agencies feeling that 258 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: they somehow have the right to tell people what they 259 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: can say and hear online. You know. One bright note 260 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: here is, of course, as you know and your audiences know, 261 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: that she tried to ban a video from being on 262 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: ex Twitter and other social media platforms, not just in 263 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: Australia but around the world, and an Australian court ruled 264 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: that that was unconstitutional and that that was not right 265 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: and she couldn't do that. So I think chalk that 266 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: up as a victory for free speech. But you know, Reta, 267 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: it's just amazing because you know, we'll have a victory somewhere, 268 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: we'll beat something back, like in Ireland and like Terminator too. 269 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: It just keeps coming back and demanding more. The censorship 270 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: industrial complex just keeps demanding more and more control over 271 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: the discourse. It's as though there's sort of a dark 272 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: force behind these characters that's just insisting that there be 273 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: this level of government control over speech. You know, It's 274 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: just there's nothing like it. There's never been anything like 275 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: it in the history of the Internet. It's really reminiscent 276 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: more of the Inquisition or the government reaction to the 277 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: printing press than it is to anything that we can 278 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: remember in recent history, and. 279 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: As you've demonstrated, it was so dangerous at a really 280 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: crucial period during the pandemic when voices were silence expert 281 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: voices leading infectious disease experts, and wrong decisions were made 282 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: because of that. 283 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 4: There was all sorts of. 284 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: Harm that occurred across a number of countries and particularly 285 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: here in Australia because of that. So to be going 286 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: down this road and ignoring those lessons is even more shocking. 287 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the government's move to 288 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: ban social media for under sixteens in this country. The 289 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: platforms set to be under restrictions include Instagram, x, Facebook, 290 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: TikTok and now Snapchat has also been added to the list. 291 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: Do you have any reservations about this kind of law. 292 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I do have reservations about it, and I should say 293 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a father of two wonderful children and 294 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: I am concerned about the effect of social media on kids, 295 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: so I think it's a real issue. On the other hand, 296 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: I worry that it's a trojan horse to get digital ID, 297 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: which is something that really should scare us. It's like 298 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: a black mirror episode where you can see it kind 299 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: of to militarian government wants to control and see everything 300 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: that its citizens do, maybe create some sort of social 301 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: credit scheme like they do in China. So I do 302 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: worry about that. I would. You know, there are alternative 303 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's phone free schools are being pursued in 304 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: the United States and around the world. But we just 305 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: keep seeing the government wanting more and more control. It's 306 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: more and more intrusive, more violations of our privacy, you know, 307 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: more demands over what we say, and you know, we 308 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: may forget. But like the worst misinformation has been by 309 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: the government. They said that COVID came from a wet 310 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: market into China, and now most intelligence agencies believe it 311 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: came from a lab. They said that if you took 312 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: the vaccine you wouldn't get sick. We know that you 313 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: do get sick. You know, we've seen this over and 314 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: over again of the government actually promoting disinformation and then 315 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: demanding censorship on the basis of that disinformation or misinformation, 316 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: certainly misleading information. So there's something going on here. We 317 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: don't totally understand it, but it's something quite creepy. It 318 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: involves the World Economic Forum constantly demanding more censorship, saying 319 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: that misinformation is the number one problem in the world. 320 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: We see the United Nations supposed are going after misinformation. 321 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: I mean, if there's any hope at all, it's just 322 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: that we now have the world's richest man who's really 323 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: created a free speech platform out of Twitter in the 324 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: form of x and President elect Trump has made very 325 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: strong commitment to restoring freedom of speech to the online world, 326 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: you know, in part response to the fact that he 327 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: was illegitimately deplatformed even though he had not broken any 328 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: of Twitter's rules, and of course, you know, not to 329 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: get into the Hunter Biden laptop and so many other 330 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: efforts that actually led Mark Zuckerberg, the owner of Meta 331 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: and Facebook, to apologize a few months ago for him 332 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: censoring the Hunter Biden laptop, for the censorship of COVID origins, 333 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: for the censorship of the COVID vaccine. Mark Zuckerberg said 334 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: it was inappropriate what the government's actions were, so and 335 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: certainly Elon Musk thinks that. So to see the governments 336 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: of the world keep coming back for more censorship, more 337 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: invasion of privacy, it's very disturbing. And I think that's 338 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: and that's part of the why I wanted to be here, 339 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: is to show some solidarity for free speech lovers here 340 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: in Australia. 341 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: Well, before you go, I want to play you clip 342 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: from the Greg Guttfeld program, our ambassador to the US, 343 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's antiques of made Guttfeld's program. 344 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: And I don't think Kevin Rudd's gonna like this too much. 345 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 11: Trump's triggering lefty foreign leaders like a quarter pounder out 346 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 11: of Peter Rally. Now foreign leaders are suddenly making nice. 347 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 11: Australia's ambassador to America had previously called Trump the most 348 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 11: destructive president in history, but now he's congratulating him and 349 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 11: looking forward to working closely with Trump. 350 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Now. 351 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 11: Wonder the OSSes invented the boomerang. I kind of like 352 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 11: the fact that they went from his hitler to hey, 353 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 11: we could probably work with this guy. 354 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: Ah Michael. 355 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: There are a lot of never Trumpers and people who 356 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 3: were very, very bold in saying all sorts of terrible, 357 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: hyperbolic things about Donald Trump who are now trying to backtrack. 358 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 3: Certainly there's a few of them in the British government, 359 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 3: but also right here in Australia. Tell me about that phenomenon, 360 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: because it's I think evident in the US. 361 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 4: As well. 362 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: You've got the MSNBC hosts having meetings with Donald Trump 363 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 3: after seven years of calling him hitler. 364 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: Well, there you go. I mean, and it's not the 365 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: first time that we've seen this. I mean, we all 366 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: remember this summer when the media insisted that Joe Biden 367 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: was fine and he was youthful and vibrant, and then 368 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty four hours later they said he had to drop 369 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: out of the race because of his poor performance against 370 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. The mainstream news media has lost so much credibility. 371 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: We now know that Comcast is selling MSNBC because it's 372 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: just been a failing network. It's lost a huge amount 373 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: of audience share since the election. It misled its own 374 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: viewers into thinking that Kamala Harris was winning in the 375 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: polls and was poised to win, trying to be badly wrong. 376 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: And I think that we're seeing a reaction that people 377 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: have a chance now to get truth from other places, 378 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: including from social media. So yeah, I mean, you see 379 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: that kind of behavior. It's sad, really, I mean, you 380 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: see these Australian politicians who were just disparaging Trump and 381 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: the now flip flopping and saying that they want to 382 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: work with them. How can you trust somebody like that? 383 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: And how can you trust a government that's trying to 384 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: censor social media platforms, not just in Australia but around 385 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, there's this provision in this Misinformation 386 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: Bill that would where they want to censor what people 387 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: see everywhere. It just feels so aggressive and so hostile. 388 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: It's not starting the relationship with the incoming Trump administration 389 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: on the right foot. You know. I think they're probably 390 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: going to need somebody else to restart the relationship, just 391 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: given the terrible things that the ambassador of the United 392 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: States has said. 393 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right. I think that is untenable 394 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: that appointment. I think Kevin needs to come home. Michael Schellenberger, 395 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time tonight. 396 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Great to be with you. 397 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 4: Rita still to come. 398 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: Left these losing it, plus the Democrats overwhelmingly want Kamala 399 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 3: Harris to run again in twenty twenty eight. 400 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: Kosher Gator has the details. 401 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: Next Welcome back. Now it's time for lefties losing it 402 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: and here's back. Here is transactivist Jeff Marsh with more 403 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: family friendly advice sure to turn a confused lefty into 404 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: a really sad and lonely lefty. 405 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 5: Hi, this is a series about cutting off your trumpy 406 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: family members. Why do you need to be perfect? Why 407 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 5: do you need to consider everyone's feelings and make sure 408 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 5: everyone is okay in the situation and watch what you 409 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 5: say and say it perfectly? Is it right? While they 410 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 5: get to say whatever, they get to be racist. 411 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: And the fallout from MSNBC's Morning Joe, Duo Joe and 412 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: Visiting with Trump continues. The lefties are fighting among themselves. Folks, 413 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: grab the popcorn and enjoy. Here's Rosio o'dole laying into 414 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: her fellow lefties, calling them despicable, despicable. 415 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 9: So Mika and Joe went down to mar Largo to 416 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 9: kiss the ring. So last time I ever watched Morning 417 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 9: Joe period end of statement, unreal, unreal. For months you 418 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 9: were telling us he's the worst thing that could happen 419 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 9: in this country and democracy, and then you go. 420 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: Kiss his ring. Despicable, despicable. You both thea so much fun. 421 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: Let's see it now. 422 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: From a grief counselor who wants to help those dealing 423 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: with grief in the holiday period. 424 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 12: I think holidays are some of the toughest times after 425 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 12: we've had a loved one who's died. So I hope 426 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 12: these tips will help you move through this challenging time. 427 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 12: So Thanksgiving, there is this sense of it's going to 428 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 12: be an amazing Thanksgiving, and Thanksgiving is about to get 429 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 12: you know, togetherness. And first of all, Thanksgiving is a 430 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 12: met up holiday. It's actually about how we took a 431 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 12: country away from Native Americans. 432 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: So just remember that. 433 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 4: What did he say? 434 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 3: That's what passes for advice from a grief Counselor don't 435 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 3: worry about missing your loved ones a cherished holidays cause colonization. 436 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: Really give me the time to brate American Indians for 437 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: not being offended by the redskins or for overwhelmingly voting 438 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. 439 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 4: Yes, those figures are right. 440 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: That's according to NBC exit polls, the group with the 441 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: highest percentage of support for Donald Trump was American Indians 442 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 3: with sixty five percent acting President Trump only thirty four 443 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 3: percent voting for Kamala Harris. 444 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 4: Now we've already played. 445 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: You a clip of lefty election forecaster professor Alan Lickman 446 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: having a meltdown during an interview, claiming that he's the 447 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: expert and essentially walking off well, Paul old Allen has 448 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: had a rough few days. Let's have a look at 449 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 3: how it started. The bold predictions of a Biden victory, 450 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 3: of a Kamala victory, and then the tangr. 451 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 13: A lot would have to go wrong for Joe Biden 452 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 13: to lose this election. Kamala Harris will be a president 453 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 13: breaking president of the United States, the first woman president 454 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 13: in US history. 455 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: Can I just finish the guy damn started? I don't 456 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: need you to call me stupid. 457 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: That's what happens when you make predictions based on wishful 458 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: thinking rather than facts. And I hope you have some 459 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: popcorn left because we have more lefties attacking each other. 460 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 4: Here is Jink and Lickman going at it. 461 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 13: Enjoy total making world of denial. I read your own followers' 462 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 13: comments and they all trashed you, every one of them, 463 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 13: and supported me. 464 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, riot with your personal come. 465 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: Find out again. 466 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: Make whatever point you want it, don't make it. 467 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: You don't know anything. 468 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: You don't know what attacked me personally. So deluded. I've 469 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 4: only been a profession. 470 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: I've never been able to finish. 471 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: How many books have you published for other You got 472 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: it wrong. 473 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 13: You were monstrously and stupidly wrong. 474 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 6: So okay, all right, can I just finish your goddamn 475 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 6: stupid ever on this show. 476 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't over yet. 477 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: Someone ordered a tall glass of shut up juice. 478 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 13: Hey, Alan, you deserve a tall glass of shut up juice? 479 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 8: So can you just shut up for a second and 480 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 8: let someone who knows what. 481 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: They're doing. 482 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: Want so? 483 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 13: I will not sit here and sell for personal acts 484 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 13: for blasphemy against me. 485 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: You don't need to do that. 486 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: You don't blasphemy against us? 487 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 7: Okay? 488 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: Joining me now for more lefties losing it? Content is 489 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: Sky News contributed Kosher gay. Let's have some fun and 490 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 3: frivolity kosher before we get into the serious stuff, including 491 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: Trump's inspired pick for Education Secretary Alan Lickman. Goodness may 492 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: this Sarga continues after the week long tantrum, and we've 493 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 3: brought you plenty of clips about that. He's now announced 494 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: that he's leaving X and shifting his social media presence 495 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: to lefty safe haven Blue Sky. I've got to say 496 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: with this guy, he really has embarrassed himself this week. 497 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: I can't work out if these predictions and his refusal 498 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: to accept reality and just doubling down on this narrative 499 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: is I don't know wishful thinking he really wanted it 500 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 3: to be to be true, or whether some of these 501 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: polsters are actually trying to influence the election result by 502 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: pumping up certain candidates and presenting their data in a 503 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: certain way. I just don't understand how that can be 504 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: so wrong so consistently when it comes to Donald Trump. 505 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 10: I think there's definitely something to the latter, where the 506 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 10: polling industry, which is like a twenty billion dollar industry 507 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 10: in India, is in the business of shaping public opinion 508 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 10: rather than measuring public opinion. Overall, that's only true even 509 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 10: with Brexit. You saw it with the twenty sixteen rives 510 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 10: of Trump and twenty twenty as well. They overall predicted 511 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 10: it correctly, but by less. They thought he was going 512 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 10: to lose by a lot and he didn't. And even 513 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 10: now it's interesting with Alan though, because he has this 514 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 10: cute model, you know, it made him famous. The key's 515 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 10: the key, something different, and he was right for nine 516 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 10: out of the eleven previous elections. And he's not the 517 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 10: only person who's wrong right now. So there was a 518 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 10: graceful way to bow out gracefully, and just these tantrums 519 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 10: are going to live on X whether he has left 520 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 10: X or not, and it's unfortunately. 521 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 4: He'll be back. 522 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 3: They keep leaving, They keep announcing their departure like they're 523 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: at the airport. No one needs to know you're leaving. 524 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: You just delete your account. They go to threads, they 525 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: go to this new one, Blue Sky or whatever this 526 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: one's called. But they'll be back because the traffic, the 527 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 3: interaction that the presence is, it's the pleas to be. 528 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: So they kind of just come back with. 529 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: The tail between their legs talking about tales between legs. 530 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: MSNBC program Morning Joe, the host spent what seven eight 531 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: years demonizing Trump, calling him hitler, threat to democracy, and 532 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: much worse. But an effort to save their sliding ratings, 533 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: they asked for a meeting with Trump. 534 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 4: They were somehow granted that meeting. 535 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: I thought that was very generous of the president, But 536 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 3: that has backfired, Coach Shaggles. New York Post is reporting 537 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: that the show's ratings have tanked further and the program's 538 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: official X account has disabled comments because there is just 539 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: such a tsunami of hate coming. 540 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: From their lefty audience. 541 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: Who are I rate that these two would sit down 542 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: with a man that they've been telling their audience for 543 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: seven solid years is going to destroy the country. 544 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 4: Is a stretch like the America has never faced. 545 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 10: Before, literal Hitler and everybody smiling and taking photos. And 546 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 10: mar Lago's the other place to be alongside X and 547 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 10: they all want to go there, including these two. It's 548 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 10: funny because you know, in twenty sixteen, when no one 549 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 10: was taking Trump seriously. 550 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 2: They actually really boosted him. 551 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 10: They allowed him to keep dialing into their program, and 552 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 10: they had very fusive things to say about him. And 553 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 10: then when he was getting traction, they turned did this 554 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 10: eight year caricature, as you mentioned. And now I'm not 555 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 10: sure they thought it through because who are they speaking to. 556 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 10: The Republican base did not like to see them and 557 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 10: actually didn't want them meeting to take place, doesn't want 558 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 10: any reconciliation. The Democrat base, some of them, the ones 559 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 10: who really believe he's Hitler, are not happy that he 560 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 10: took that meeting. So I'm not sure who they were 561 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 10: speaking to. And Comcasts apparent company just spun them off. 562 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 10: And so they're going to be publicly traded now, the 563 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 10: entire cable package, including MSNBC. They might have new owners 564 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 10: in the future, so I think they've got a tough 565 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 10: road ahead. 566 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely. 567 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: I mean MSNBC's primetime ratings have plummeted. It's not just 568 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: the Morning Joe program, And I thought maybe that. 569 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 4: Was behind they're not demand. 570 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 3: They're begging to meet Donald Trump because maybe they thought, Okay, 571 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: we need to change tact here. Obviously we picked the 572 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: wrong team. But you're right, their audience isn't open to that. 573 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 3: Their audience is hard left. They don't want them meeting 574 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: with Donald Trump. And don't understand why Donald Trump would 575 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: give them this meeting unless he's playing some sort. 576 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 4: Of four D chess. 577 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 3: He knew how this was going to backfire and completely 578 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 3: destroy them. 579 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 10: I think he liked to see people who are his 580 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 10: foes be self humiliating. They're humulating themselves. 581 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 4: There's probably something. 582 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: To it, don't Maybe they he anticipated this, but I 583 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: don't know. But the President elect does remain definant about 584 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: his nominations for key positions, including Matt Gates for Attorney General, 585 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: and that is one of his most controversial decisions. 586 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 4: He was asked about it, mister. 587 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 14: President, are you reconsidering the nomination of Matt Gates. 588 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 4: No, it's a fairly emphatic answer. 589 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 3: Gates has been a victim of law fare himself kosher, 590 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: and I wonder whether that's partly behind this nomination. Trump 591 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: wants someone who's personally been impacted, who's got not just 592 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 3: the ability, but the motivation to tackle this huge area. 593 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: This is one of the biggest tasks. 594 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 10: One hundred percent, so the dog of all the peaks, 595 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 10: it could be argued as the nerve center of the 596 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 10: whole thing, and his ability to successfully execute the mandate. 597 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 10: He was handed in this landslide election because the first 598 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 10: time around, his Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, was aligned with him, 599 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 10: but he didn't know how the system worked and was 600 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 10: so quick to recuse. That led to the Mother investigation, 601 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 10: which completely hamstrung his first administration, and then the second 602 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 10: one under Biden is the merk Garland and his jergy 603 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 10: is the one that brought two of those four cases 604 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 10: and coordinated with the other state run cases which completely 605 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 10: also potentially was going to put him in jail. So 606 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 10: you can understand where he's coming from. And he wants 607 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 10: a brawler, a real brawler. A lot of other people 608 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 10: have also been quick to criticize Matt Gates's lack of 609 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 10: experience allegedly, but he is a lawyer. He graduated from 610 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 10: a good university. He passed the Florida Bar exam on 611 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 10: the first round. He's a pretty talented cross examiner. He's young. 612 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 10: I think you know that's okay. You can have technically 613 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 10: strong people, legally technically strong people underneath him and have 614 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 10: somebody like him at the top. But he is very controversial. 615 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 10: A lot of Republicans are his enemies. And buckle up 616 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 10: because this is going to be quite all right. 617 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 3: And you can understand why some Republicans joined to like him. 618 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 3: And I'm talking about the politicians here and not the voters, 619 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 3: because he will go after them too. He will talk 620 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: about how that bought by the lobbyists and the. 621 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 4: And he doesn't want that. 622 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 3: He wants the mums and dads, the ten twenty dollars 623 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: donations to fuel campaigns to have some honesty there. And 624 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 3: I've got to say, I think most Americans, whatever side 625 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: of politics they're from, would embrace that. Donald Trump has 626 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: named his transition coach air Linda McMahon as his pick 627 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: for Education Secretary. She has previously served in Trump's first 628 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 3: term as leader of the Small Business Administration. She is 629 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 3: a highly capable businesswoman, there is no doubt about that, 630 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 3: decades of experience, but she also. 631 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 4: Did this in a former life. 632 00:35:43,520 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 14: Here she is with Cain at the WWE. 633 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 3: Now these days, Kine, the scary wrestler you can see there, 634 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 3: also known as Glenn Thomas Jacobs, is the mayor of 635 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 3: Knox County incredibly, and Linda McMahon is going to be 636 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 3: Education Secretary. So it's quite an incredible time to be 637 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: a life COACHHK. 638 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 10: You have to love it. This is, you know, the 639 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 10: American government at its best is meant to be for 640 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 10: the people, by the people of the people, and this 641 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 10: is that personified where you've got somebody who's moved on 642 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 10: to be, as you say, the mayor of a small 643 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 10: town in Tennessee. She's now served twice or will be 644 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 10: serving twice in the administration. And the thing is, in 645 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 10: the modern era, they understand that understanding media, how to 646 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 10: wield media, and the value of entertainment is actually a 647 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 10: really big asset in politics because it is ultimately a 648 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 10: communication job in large part. And the WWE franchise, she's 649 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 10: the wife of the founder of Sevince McMahon. They've turned 650 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 10: this thing into a seven billion dollar franchise. It's one 651 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 10: of the top things. So she's playing her part there, 652 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 10: but I think fun times ahead. 653 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and she's often credited for being the brains 654 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 3: behind that operation. 655 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 4: It is a family run business. 656 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 3: Now there's already talk within Democrat circles about who is 657 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: going to be their candidate in twenty twenty eight. 658 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 4: Yes, they're trying to look ahead. They're very depressed about 659 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 4: what's happening right now, and one name is leading the pack. 660 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: It's Kamala Harris. This is according to fresh polling of 661 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 3: Democrat voters. They want Kamala to run again in twenty 662 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 3: twenty eight. She's well ahead of Gavin Nusm via California 663 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 3: Governor Josh Shapiro to Pennsylvania Governor Pete Bush. 664 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 4: Jake, I can't believe he's even the running. He's hopeless. 665 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 3: Kamala got forty one percent of those polled. The others 666 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 3: were way behind with eight, seven and six percent, respectively. 667 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: If she's a candidate again, surely not. 668 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 4: It's early days. But who do you see looking ahead? 669 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 3: I would have thought it may be a bit obvious, 670 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 3: but Josh Shapiro and Gavin Newsom a highly electable. Never 671 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 3: mind the mess Gavin has made of California. 672 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 10: Yes, for sure, this I think is a statistical era. 673 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 10: There's recency bias, there might be sympathy bias or something 674 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 10: coloring those numbers. She's never won anything nationally, and other 675 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 10: people who ran against Republicans and loss, like Hillary Clinton, 676 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 10: John Kerry exited the stage. So I don't see how 677 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 10: she's going to rise like a phoenix. In terms of 678 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 10: who would do it, I think the ones you mentioned 679 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 10: are right. You know, Gavin Newsom, he's telegenic, he's good looking, 680 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 10: he runs the biggest state he is. His positions are 681 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 10: very radical given he's been running California, so that's going 682 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 10: to be a hurdle for him to get over. Josh 683 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 10: Shapiro is actually very popular. He governs as a moderate. 684 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 10: Some question whether he's actually a moderate, but he governs 685 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 10: as one. Gretten Whitmer from Michigan, maybe though she had 686 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 10: that issue with the feeding the chips thing, maybe that'll 687 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 10: be the end. 688 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: Of her conduct. 689 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 3: And Newsm's during COVID like she was an absolute current, 690 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: tyrant and irrational. I remember she was locking up seed 691 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 3: sections in markets where people couldn't buy seeds to plant, 692 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: but then you could do all sorts. 693 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 4: Of other things. It was just irrational and cruel. And 694 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 4: I don't know if that's going to be forgotten. Maybe 695 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 4: it will be, it'll be it. 696 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 10: It's a quite an important stage, but I think you're right. 697 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 10: And then Mark Kelly would be another name. I'd throw in, 698 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 10: the astronaut senator from Arizona as well, But lots of 699 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 10: time to go until then. 700 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 3: Now before you go, the illegal immigrant who murdered twenty 701 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 3: two year old nursing student Lake and Riley in February, 702 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 3: jose Antonia Ibarra, has been sentenced in the last twenty 703 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 3: four hours. He will be in prison for life without 704 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 3: the possibility of parole. This case, Kosher, was hugely important 705 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 3: in the months leading. 706 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 4: Up to the election. 707 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 3: It really highlighted in a single case, the madness of 708 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 3: the Biden Harris border crisis, the fact that there have 709 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 3: literally been thousands of violent criminals who have been allowed 710 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 3: to roam free in the US. 711 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 10: It has become a tragic but very powerful symbol of 712 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 10: that catastrophe of an issue, and that was, among others, 713 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 10: that was probably the biggest reason for the downfall of 714 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 10: the Democrat Party writ large across the electorate for sure, 715 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 10: So some justice for the family because of this, But 716 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 10: if you zoom out, it's meager justice. I would say, 717 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 10: because the Justice Department failed with the whole thing, the 718 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 10: fact that this person was allowed in here taxpayer funded flights, 719 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 10: I would let him from New York to Georgia, and 720 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 10: then he did this, So it's a horrible day. Maybe 721 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 10: with the deportation plans, even criminals that are in prisons 722 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 10: can be deported so that the US taxpayers and funding 723 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 10: his life for the rest of time. 724 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 3: That is, And people are pointing to this case when 725 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 3: the deportations start, and you're going to have a lot 726 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 3: of sympathetic stories in the media of people being deported, 727 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 3: and I think they're going to point to this case 728 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 3: and say there's a reason this is happening. And of 729 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 3: course good people will be caught up in it, but 730 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: good people who broke the law by coming into the 731 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 3: country illegally. 732 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 4: Koshegator, thanks for your time tonight, Sure still to come. 733 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 3: Kinsey Schofield is here to give us an update on 734 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 3: Prince Harry's later stunt. 735 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 4: Welcome back. 736 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 3: Joining me now is celebrity and royal commentator Kinsey Schofield Kinsey. 737 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 3: HBO has defended its decision to involve jk Rowling in 738 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 3: the creation of its new Harry Potter TV series. In 739 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: a statement, they said jk Rowling has a right to 740 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 3: express her personal views will remain focused on the development 741 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 3: of the new series, which will only benefit from her involvement. 742 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 3: Isn't it crazy that they need to defend this decision 743 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 3: or even explo Of course, jk Rowling should be involved 744 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 3: in any Harry Potter project. 745 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 4: It's her work. 746 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 15: And I truly would love to know if this decision 747 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 15: was made before or after Donald Trump was elected into 748 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 15: the White House, because I wonder if they thought, you 749 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 15: know what, we see something, we see a shift, because 750 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 15: the reality is this is such a huge This is 751 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 15: such a huge project, This is such a huge brand 752 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 15: that it will succeed no matter how many people say 753 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 15: they're not going to watch it, no matter how many 754 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 15: petitions are signed, this is going to be a successful project. 755 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 15: HBO knows that, and so you know, why not push 756 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 15: back a little bit? 757 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely in some of the former actors, the child actors 758 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 3: who are now will into adulthood, they've been amongst the 759 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 3: biggest detractors of jk Rowling really showing not only a 760 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 3: very close minded approach to this issue. They can't tolerate 761 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: people with different viewpoints, spot also ungrateful Kinsey, there'd be 762 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 3: nowhere without her words? 763 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 4: And where are they? 764 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 15: Rita like, I don't ever turn on the TV and 765 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 15: randomly see them. I don't see them in movies, I don't, 766 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 15: you know, particularly the young female I'm spacing on her 767 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 15: name does represent herself as a proud feminist, and I 768 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 15: think that jk Rowling's points are much more in the 769 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 15: lane of feminism and protecting and protecting women and protecting 770 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 15: what we fought for over the over the last few 771 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 15: decades than anything that I've seen her represent. So I'd 772 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 15: say that where are they? You know, they can fight, 773 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 15: they can be critical all they want, but I don't 774 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 15: see them working as much as they could be working, 775 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 15: you know, considering the success that they had as children. 776 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely household names. It's not too often, Kinsey that I 777 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 3: defend Prince Harry, but I've got to defend him here 778 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 3: because he's come under fire for foul language supposedly and 779 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 3: a tattoo stunt. This is in a video to promote 780 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 3: the Invictors games. 781 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 4: Let's have a look. You give me your tattoo and 782 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 4: then you complain in Victors Games. 783 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 2: That easy for a deal. Let's go where you want to. 784 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: You got to go for the neck, the neck like 785 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: my low back or nobody. 786 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 2: Wants to see your cares the place where no one's 787 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 2: going to see it. 788 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 3: Kinzy, don't tell me people are offended by that. Come on, 789 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 3: that's just that's nothing. That's surely not offensive. 790 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 15: Well though, the commentary online is that that's not the 791 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 15: type of behavior they expect from a prince, and that's 792 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 15: not the type of thing they feel like they would 793 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 15: have seen if Invictus Games were still under the Royal 794 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 15: Family umbrella, which I do agree with. I don't think 795 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 15: that the Royal Family would have approved a script like that. 796 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 15: They might have allowed the scenario, but maybe not some 797 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 15: of those words. And it's also kind of weird reader, 798 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 15: and I agree with you, it's not as bad as 799 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 15: it seems, but it's also kind of weird for him 800 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 15: to be at the same time that this drops in 801 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 15: Vancouver with kids promoting the Invictus Games. It just seems 802 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 15: like we're not on message to drop this video at 803 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 15: the same time that he's hanging around with a bunch 804 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 15: of kids trying to promote Invictus games to school children. 805 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 15: Maybe we should have spaced it out on the calendar 806 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 15: a few days or something. 807 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 7: Well. 808 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 3: Prince Harry is also reportedly heartbroken Kinzer over the fact 809 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 3: that his children could grow up without knowing their royal relatives. 810 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 3: This is according to royal expert Duncan, la come tell 811 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 3: me more about this story. 812 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 4: It must be sad. I mean it would be sad. 813 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 3: For anybody not to have your children in contact with 814 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 3: their cousins and aunties and uncles and grandfather Absolutely, and 815 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 3: I really value being yeah. 816 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 15: Right, And I really value Duncan's opinion because he spent 817 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 15: a significant amount of time with Prince Harry when he 818 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 15: was younger, and he's seen this evolution. In fact, he 819 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 15: says that this is not the man that I grew 820 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 15: up with. This is not the young man that I 821 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 15: used to travel with, you know, watch at Polo matches, 822 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 15: travel all over the world with. And he talks about 823 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 15: how the shift is Megan, and he also said in 824 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 15: this particular interview, Meghan's dreams have all come true, but 825 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 15: what about Harry's. He is technically now richer than he 826 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 15: was even more famous, but he's surrounded by celebrity hangars 827 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 15: on rather than a group of trusted people who are 828 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 15: really committed to seeing him flourish and see the best 829 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 15: things happen for him. And I think that that's an 830 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,720 Speaker 15: incredibly important point that we are watching all of Megan 831 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 15: Markle's dreams come true, but what about Prince Harry's. We're 832 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 15: actually seeing him revert back to the work he did before, 833 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 15: and good for him. He's trying to find his place 834 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 15: in the world. But it seems kind of one sided. 835 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 15: The growth the dreams coming true certainly seems one saded. 836 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 3: We've been talking about all these celebrities who've pledged to 837 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 3: flee America if Trump wins. 838 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 4: Well, Trump has won and one convincingly. 839 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 3: And we do have a name who's apparently left the country. 840 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 4: Ellen de Genero's former TV star and her. 841 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 3: Wife Pusha de Rossi, have reportedly Kinzi moved to the 842 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,800 Speaker 3: UK following Trump's reelection. What is this the reason they moved, 843 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 3: Because we had another story about three or four days 844 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 3: ago where a celebrity had moved, but then it turned 845 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,240 Speaker 3: out that they had moved years earlier and had nothing 846 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 3: to do with Donald Trump. 847 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 4: This is a recent move. 848 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 15: This is not necessarily because of Trump, but I think 849 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 15: the shift they wanted the house previously, but I think 850 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 15: the shift. 851 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 4: Full time is because of Trump. 852 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 15: Remember that we actually discussed this Ellen's instagram where she 853 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 15: had that picture of Kamala and she was like, can't 854 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,040 Speaker 15: wait for you to be our first female president and 855 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 15: all the negative reaction she receives. She's devastated about this 856 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 15: when and according to TMZ, she has moved two hours 857 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 15: outside of London. And all I have to say is 858 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 15: the second that those Londoners and people in the UK 859 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,879 Speaker 15: realize that she is buddy buddy with Megan Markele, it's 860 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,399 Speaker 15: going to go over like a you know, a turn 861 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 15: and a punch bowl. They're not big fans of Megan 862 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 15: markel over there, so she might want to keep that 863 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 15: on the low. 864 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would do that. 865 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 3: And obviously her reputation isn't what it once was the 866 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,919 Speaker 3: way her show ended and all those allegations that came 867 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 3: out from people who worked with her, So yeah, she's 868 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 3: no longer the Golden Girl, that's for sure. Kinsey Schofield, 869 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,919 Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time tonight, And that's 870 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 3: all the time we've got folks. I'll see you tomorrow 871 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 3: night at nine point thirty pm. For lefties losing it, 872 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 3: don't go anywhere. News Night is coming up next