WEBVTT - A Shooting at Christmas | 1

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a video or game. This is real life.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to a fucking pup ar Christmas Eve with

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<v Speaker 1>a machine guls if someone going there with a baseball

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<v Speaker 1>bat and have a grievance with someone that's sundard. That

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<v Speaker 1>happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the machineles

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<v Speaker 1>master when it is you go on it to kill someone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Christmas Eve. On the Wirral, a comfortable suburban area

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<v Speaker 2>just outside Liverpool, a port city in the north of England.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty six year old Ellie Edwards is heading to a

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<v Speaker 2>local pub with her younger sister Lucy. Ellie is a

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<v Speaker 2>little less enthusiastic than her sister. She's been hungover for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days already, but she's decided to head

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<v Speaker 2>out for another night a beautician. Her long blonde hair

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<v Speaker 2>falls down over her leather jacket and a big silver necklace.

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<v Speaker 2>Inside the Lighthouse Pub, the sisters are soon singing and

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<v Speaker 2>dancing together. Sometime after nine point thirty pm, Lucy heads home.

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<v Speaker 2>She tells Ellie not to stay out late. Ellie says

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<v Speaker 2>she'll just be another hour and continues back at the pub.

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<v Speaker 2>What Ellie cannot know is that A man is also

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<v Speaker 2>standing outside the pub in the car park. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>waiting and watching the area for around three hours. He's

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<v Speaker 2>carrying a Scorpion submachine gun. I'm Fiona Hamilton, the chief

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<v Speaker 2>reporter at The Times and from The Times, the Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>Times and News Corp Australia. This is cocaine in episode one,

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<v Speaker 2>are shooting at Christmas. Trying to understand what happened next

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<v Speaker 2>on that night in twenty twenty two ended up being

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<v Speaker 2>a much bigger task than one reporter could do alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the past year I've been working in a team

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<v Speaker 2>from two separate countries with my colleagues David Collins from

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<v Speaker 2>The Sunday Times in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>So you were part of a group that smuggled one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred million pounds out of the UK. How do you

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<v Speaker 3>reflect on that?

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<v Speaker 2>And Stephen Drill from News Corps Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the end of the line.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just about to go in. Knock on the door

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<v Speaker 3>are a ten million dollar house that is accused of

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<v Speaker 3>being the proceeds of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>This investigation has taken us to ten different cities in

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<v Speaker 2>six countries, traveling over fifty thousand kilometers following trail from

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<v Speaker 2>that pub in Northern England where Ellie was celebrating Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and leading us to column and cartel's drug smuggling in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>a torture chamber in the Netherlands, money laundering in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, and police raids across Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney's gun crime epidemic has claimed two more lives tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Police have established Task Force Magnus to try to win

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<v Speaker 1>the bloodshed.

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<v Speaker 2>What we uncovered was a global business operation based around

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<v Speaker 2>a single illegal product, one so common that, let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>it's likely that you or someone you know has snorted

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<v Speaker 2>a line recently. We'll reveal how the world's legitimate business empires,

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<v Speaker 2>trading floors and boardrooms have their shadowy equivalents in the cartels,

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<v Speaker 2>traffickers and kingpens. But for now, this story starts with

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<v Speaker 2>Ellie Edwards. David Collins, the Sunday Times and all An

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<v Speaker 2>editor went to meet her father.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in Merseyside, probably most famous around the world for

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<v Speaker 3>the Beatles and Liverpool football club. From the city of

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<v Speaker 3>Liverpool itself. I've made a short drive through the King's

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<v Speaker 3>Way tunnel under the River to an area called the

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<v Speaker 3>wirel I've come to meet Tim Edwards. He's the father

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<v Speaker 3>of Ellie Edwards, the young woman who went to the

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<v Speaker 3>pub on Christmas Eve. He's never spoken about that night.

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<v Speaker 3>In the detail you're about to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't get any easier, and sometimes you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can feel you're getting ahead a bit and dealing with things,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything's getting you know it's going to be brighter

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<v Speaker 1>as the future, and then something will come along and

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<v Speaker 1>trigger a memory or and then I might struggle for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days. But as it happens today, today's

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<v Speaker 1>good day.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim is tall and broad, with thick, streaked gray hair

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<v Speaker 3>and a beard. He's an imposing figure and I guess

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<v Speaker 3>you might describe him as a man's man, the type

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<v Speaker 3>of guy you'd sink a few pints in the pub

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<v Speaker 3>with and chat about football and life. He was born

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen seventy one and came of age in Liverpool

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<v Speaker 3>in the eighties, a tough time for the city with

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<v Speaker 3>high unemployment, but he remembers a close networking class community.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter how bad things were, your neighbor would be

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<v Speaker 1>looking out for you, you know, the local bobby. He

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<v Speaker 1>would be on a bike or he'd be walking around

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<v Speaker 1>only be keeping an eye on the kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Then if the kids would get up, you know good it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go on the on the door and tell your

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<v Speaker 1>mother and father the next monue you get a clip

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<v Speaker 1>around here.

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<v Speaker 4>Or when he got in.

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<v Speaker 3>As a young man, like many, he went out clubbing,

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<v Speaker 3>which is where he met his wife, Gainer.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the ninety early nineties. The club seems massive

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<v Speaker 1>and Liverpool, And.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I met her on a nighthouse.

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<v Speaker 3>And what happened after that?

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<v Speaker 1>You were just yeah, I just fell in love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love. I started having kids. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>young lad and I was just doing well whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>could to put food on the table and build a family,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, build a fire home.

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<v Speaker 4>That just did me best.

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<v Speaker 3>The couple's first child was a boy, and then on

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<v Speaker 3>the tenth of May in nineteen ninety six, their second

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<v Speaker 3>came along, a daughter called Ellie.

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<v Speaker 4>She was never a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>She was always there. Some kids want when the babies

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<v Speaker 1>are to be up all night, the one feeding every

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<v Speaker 1>couple a couple of hours and what left my life? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, she was never a bother. We have four

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<v Speaker 1>kids altogether, Connor, Ellie, Lucy and George. It was a great,

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<v Speaker 1>It was a happy house.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you remember Ellie's bedroom when she was a teenager?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what typical typical girl?

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, if I could help, but never went

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<v Speaker 1>in there. Yeah, typical teenagers where you just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go in there.

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<v Speaker 4>You just don't know what you're gonna find. So what

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<v Speaker 4>was she into?

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<v Speaker 5>What was she doing on her a Saturday night for

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<v Speaker 5>example when she was a child, or she's in.

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<v Speaker 3>A fifteen sixteen?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, I remember the best friend she died a

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<v Speaker 1>hair and I must have seen every color of the

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow at least three times over.

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<v Speaker 4>You'd see them coming now ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Out on Friday, Saturday night, whatever, and you'd have different

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<v Speaker 1>colored are of it.

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<v Speaker 3>As an adult, Ellie put that creativity to good use.

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<v Speaker 3>She left school at sixteen to study beauty at college

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<v Speaker 3>and also became a qualified dental nurse.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a little space in one of her friends

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<v Speaker 1>had a beauty salon. She wanted to build this beautician

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<v Speaker 1>side of her life a killer if you like. And

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<v Speaker 1>Monday to Friday she would do the gentle nurse work.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was her bread and butter, if you like.

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<v Speaker 1>So she worked hard. She worked early hard.

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<v Speaker 3>Ellie was a young woman with a bright future ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of her, balancing two careers and close with her family.

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<v Speaker 3>Although Tim and Gainer had now split, Christmas remained a

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<v Speaker 3>full and happy time.

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<v Speaker 1>Because although me and the moment were not together, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't been for a couple of years, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>still make the Christmas dinner and we would all meets

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<v Speaker 1>up and and have Christmas together.

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<v Speaker 3>So can you remember Christmas Eve? And did you see

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<v Speaker 3>Ellie that day?

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<v Speaker 1>We'd been out the day before to Manchester. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>to Christmas markets and shopping and the next day she'd

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<v Speaker 1>bought me a coat for Christmas. And the original plan

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<v Speaker 1>was for her to come to mine and she was

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<v Speaker 1>going to help me wrap the presents for my grandson

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<v Speaker 1>and all the other kids in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And what she didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of wrapping presents though, Ellie rang her dad and

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<v Speaker 3>said she was going out with her sister Lucy. The

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<v Speaker 3>pair were close and Lucy had made a surprise trip

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<v Speaker 3>back from Dubai for the festive period.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been so difference if we're just stuck

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<v Speaker 1>to our plan, but girls being the girls, it was

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<v Speaker 1>never going to stick to our plan. She just ended

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<v Speaker 1>up gone out with her friends, which is quite right

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<v Speaker 1>what she should have been do.

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<v Speaker 3>Elly and Lucy headed to a pub called the Lighthouse.

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<v Speaker 3>The pubs in the middle of a small row of

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<v Speaker 3>shops and businesses, surrounded by residential streets and set a

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<v Speaker 3>little back from the road. There's a large beer garden

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<v Speaker 3>out front. Inside it's a big, spacious boozer, the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of place where you can watch sport, playpool, gamble on

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<v Speaker 3>the machines in the corner. Back at home, Tim went

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<v Speaker 3>to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what time it was, well three o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe two o'clock, I don't know. And the eventually he

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<v Speaker 1>banged on my door and got me up out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of bed.

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<v Speaker 6>And he opened the doors me so, and can you

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<v Speaker 6>remember what he said to you? Just said it was early.

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<v Speaker 6>We need to hear the gospel.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's pause a second, because on that Christmas Eve, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the actions of someone Tim had never even heard of

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<v Speaker 3>that would change his life beyond recognition. A few miles

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<v Speaker 3>from the pub, a man puts on dark clothes with

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<v Speaker 3>a hood and gloves. He gets in a stolen Mercedes

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<v Speaker 3>with false license plates. For three hours, he drives to

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<v Speaker 3>six different locations, watching and waiting before finally settling on

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<v Speaker 3>a parking spot near the front of the lighthouse. At

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, Ellie is laughing with friends inside the pub.

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<v Speaker 3>She spots someone across the room and makes her way

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<v Speaker 3>over to give him a hug. At eleven forty seven pm,

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<v Speaker 3>she goes outside for a cigarette in the car park,

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<v Speaker 3>the man waits around the corner, out of sight, wearing

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<v Speaker 3>a mask. He's holding the Scorpion submachine gun loaded with

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<v Speaker 3>twelve bullets. He moves forward until he's only a few

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<v Speaker 3>meters away from Ellie and fires. CCTV caught the attack,

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<v Speaker 3>the man retreats, scrambles into the stolen car, and speeds off.

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<v Speaker 3>Six people have been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember getting to the hospital. Yeah, as quick

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<v Speaker 1>as it could. It was quite hearing. There was there

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<v Speaker 1>was no one there, and I remember the sage and

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<v Speaker 1>coming down and it's just just.

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<v Speaker 4>It was awful.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was obviously the early hours of the morning

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<v Speaker 5>and Christmas Christmas Day, there's nobody there and there's You're

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<v Speaker 5>with your son and.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids and all the family and the pullers in

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<v Speaker 1>the children's ward, which was crazy. It was I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just angry. There was no patience or kids

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and yeah, I was just very hungry.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it the surgeon in that moment that broke the

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<v Speaker 3>news that Elliot had died? And what was and your

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<v Speaker 3>initial act reaction was anger?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I was just ready.

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<v Speaker 4>I was ready to go to war. I was ready

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<v Speaker 4>to flatten the hole of the world, no bother.

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<v Speaker 3>And did you have any idea at that point of

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<v Speaker 3>how she died?

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<v Speaker 4>They knew she'd been shot, but.

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<v Speaker 6>That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the only thing really, I was still as

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<v Speaker 1>I was contained. She was going to turn up at

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<v Speaker 1>the mors. I tried drinking her phone.

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<v Speaker 3>After the moment with the surgery, tried to run a phone.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the purpose of ringing the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>To Speater?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you get a voicemail or a message or just

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<v Speaker 3>for I actually remember seeing Tim on television after Ellie's

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<v Speaker 3>death on Boxing Day, he went to lay flowers on

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<v Speaker 3>the pavement outside the pub. The waiting news cameras zoomed

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<v Speaker 3>in on him as he arrived.

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<v Speaker 7>At the scene where she was killed. Ellie's family came

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<v Speaker 7>to lay flowers for a woman they so deeply loved.

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<v Speaker 7>On what was supposed to be the happiest few days.

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<v Speaker 7>They've undoubtedly been the worst.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a blair to be honest. So much happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I always explain that there's been in an elevator that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't stop at any floor, just keeps corn up so

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<v Speaker 1>you can never get off. Just so much that goes

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<v Speaker 1>on really quickly to process, and I was protecting the

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<v Speaker 1>family from having to deal with all that, so I

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<v Speaker 1>bore the bruns of all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Merseyside Police acted quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello.

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<v Speaker 8>First of all, I'm going to read a statement on

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<v Speaker 8>behalf of Ellie's family. There was no one as beautiful

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<v Speaker 8>as our Ellie may her looks.

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<v Speaker 3>In a press conference in the week after Ellie's death,

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<v Speaker 3>I watched Tim sitting next to a detective superintendent as

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<v Speaker 3>she read from a statement the family had written.

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone that knew and met el knew how special she was.

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<v Speaker 3>After six people were shot that night, Ellie was only

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<v Speaker 3>one not to survive. Looking back at this now, the

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<v Speaker 3>grief is obvious on Tim's face. From time to time,

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<v Speaker 3>he sniffs and his lip quivers as if he's holding

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<v Speaker 3>back tears. The officer appeals for information.

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<v Speaker 8>They don't deserve to be protected. They belong in prison.

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<v Speaker 8>We know that the answers to this lie within our communities.

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<v Speaker 8>So my appeal to you is please tell us what

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<v Speaker 8>you know and help us get justice for Ellie's family.

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<v Speaker 3>And the public responded. In a week after a murder,

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<v Speaker 3>the police received one hundred and fifty tips and leads

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<v Speaker 3>suggestions of people to look at and over potential evidence. Then,

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<v Speaker 3>after two weeks, on the tenth of January in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, a twenty two year old called Connor Chapman

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<v Speaker 3>was arrested in North Wales. He was spotted in a

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<v Speaker 3>supermarket where he's rushed at to check out and detained

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<v Speaker 3>by plain clothes police officers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's surrendous your coach su pub as a machine gun

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve? Really, come on, this is not a video game.

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<v Speaker 1>This is real life. You go to a fucking put

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<v Speaker 1>on Christmas Eve with a machine guns if it was

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<v Speaker 1>someone going over a baseball bat and have a grievance

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<v Speaker 1>with someone, that standard, That happens every weekend. But you

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<v Speaker 1>go somewhere with the machine guns matter when it is

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<v Speaker 1>you going to kill someone. That machine gun is not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna just slightly hate someone. It's gonna kill someone. So

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<v Speaker 1>he would have fuck goes over with that mentality, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially on Christmas Eve, I just did one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>makes me angry. What part of your brain makes that

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Chapman soon found himself in the dock at Liverpool Crown Court.

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<v Speaker 1>The very first day that Charlie walked into the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>you obviously be on a piece of glass and all

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<v Speaker 1>that protected. But he decided to give it a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a show. Bravardo. But you know what, within twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes he never looked at me again, because he's just

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<v Speaker 1>a coward.

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<v Speaker 3>The trial lasted sixteen days and after around four hours

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<v Speaker 3>of deliberation, the jury found Chapman guilty of Ellie's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge sentenced him to forty eight years behind bars.

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<v Speaker 9>The murder of Ellie Edwards has caused profound and permanent

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<v Speaker 9>grief to her family and a great shock to.

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<v Speaker 4>The entire community.

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<v Speaker 9>So then it's understood by you, Connor Chapman, as well

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<v Speaker 9>as those who are observing. It means that you will

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<v Speaker 9>have to serve forty eight years in custody before you

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<v Speaker 9>could apply for release. And if you're ever released, and

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<v Speaker 9>considering your dangerousness, that might never happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Just in the last few minutes, this guilty verdict for

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<v Speaker 3>Connor Chapman found guilty of murdering Ellie.

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<v Speaker 10>Edwards, Ellie Edwards's father Tim once again looking directly at

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<v Speaker 10>Connor Chapman as those verdicts were read out to him

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<v Speaker 10>as he stood in the dock.

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<v Speaker 1>The amounts of people involved in this investigation from day one,

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<v Speaker 1>literally from the minute it happened, has been remarkable, and

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<v Speaker 1>they did not give up.

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<v Speaker 4>They were relentless in.

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<v Speaker 1>Achieving the goal, which was to get justice for Early

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<v Speaker 1>and catch the killer. Thankfully now he's got forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>years and hopefully he never sees Christmas again.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your feelings towards I mean, I know you

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<v Speaker 3>said earlier to me before the interview. You know you

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<v Speaker 3>can't even say his name.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never mention his name. Doesn't deserve the breath out

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<v Speaker 1>of my mouth. So mentioned his name as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I was a piece of shit, And what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>him until his last breath, I couldn't careless.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was Chapman doing that night? Why was he

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<v Speaker 3>spraying bullets into a busy pub beer garden? Will He'd

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<v Speaker 3>actually been targeting two men who Ellie happened to be

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<v Speaker 3>standing near. You see, Chapman was from a place called

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<v Speaker 3>the wood Church Estate, a notorious area not far from

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<v Speaker 3>the pub. The previous day, one of his associates had

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<v Speaker 3>been beaten up by rival gang he was seeking revenge.

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<v Speaker 3>When the case came to court, Chapman said he was

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<v Speaker 3>a quote low level cocaine dealer. The shooting was part

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<v Speaker 3>of an ongoing conflict between rival gangs fighting over territory

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<v Speaker 3>in the area's cocaine trade. The same month that Chapman

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<v Speaker 3>was convicted of murder, July twenty twenty three, on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the world, five people were shot within

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<v Speaker 3>five days in Sydney, Australia, two of them killed in

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<v Speaker 3>another tit for tat gang conflict.

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<v Speaker 9>Escalating gang wars in Sydney is leading our bulletom, with

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<v Speaker 9>New South Wales police under pressure to prove they have

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<v Speaker 9>controlled the street.

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<v Speaker 3>That conflict was over a shipment of cocaine that went missing.

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<v Speaker 3>The shipment was said to be worth around one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million Australian dollars. One of the murdered men was left

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<v Speaker 3>lying on the road.

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<v Speaker 6>School children subjected to the horror on a Canterbury street

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<v Speaker 6>passing the body of.

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<v Speaker 3>A man his death. Like others in that gang war,

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<v Speaker 3>and like Eli's had one thing in common.

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<v Speaker 4>The all is cocaine.

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<v Speaker 3>Mainly that has enormous profits for criminals here in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>The cocaine trade one of the most lucrative businesses in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, a business where the global supply is currently

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<v Speaker 3>at record levels, where the profits are counted in millions

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<v Speaker 3>and the loss is measured out in murders. But those

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't care about the human cost. It's only business,

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<v Speaker 3>and right now business is good. Coming up in this series,

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<v Speaker 3>we go inside that multimillion dollar global industry. Very casually.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy says, all right, so if they found this,

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<v Speaker 3>they know about the torture celler and I'm like, torture seller,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm down here in an hot tunnel. We're about eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>meters from the Mexican border, and to be honest, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just quite frightening.

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<v Speaker 11>I raise my hands and I say to my God,

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<v Speaker 11>I forgive the person that give me that. And I

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<v Speaker 11>say to my God, forgive them, and forgive me, because

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<v Speaker 11>in this time I need you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we can arrest our way out of this.

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<v Speaker 3>They are twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 10>They are notified by money, greed and ego and that

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<v Speaker 10>drives them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's power, just between you and me, just between you

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<v Speaker 3>and me. Literally, some of the money might be from

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<v Speaker 3>like drugs in the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>You're worried, it's too dangerous to get out? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>worried about my safety?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course.

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<v Speaker 6>You are, my guest.

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<v Speaker 3>What are these rows about?

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<v Speaker 11>Do you think you know what it's about.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to say the word, you know the

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<v Speaker 3>word drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting out today. Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>The first time I saw the money, I felt like

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<v Speaker 7>I was in a film.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe how much it was, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck have I got myself into?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>How would you like her to be remembered?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like it to be remembered for being a good soul,

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<v Speaker 1>good example two women, you know. I thought she would

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<v Speaker 1>never get it to see the grandkids that we may

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<v Speaker 1>have had with Ellie, but just oh, she's always spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about in a good, positive way.

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<v Speaker 3>Since Ellie died, a foundation has been set up in

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<v Speaker 3>her name. It's mission is to raise awareness of gun

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<v Speaker 3>crime and help families affected by it.

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<v Speaker 2>Cocaine Inc. Is a joint investigation from the Times, The

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday Times and News Corps Australia. The reporters are David Collins,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Drill and me Fiona Hamilton. The series is produced

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<v Speaker 2>by Sam Gentratsak. The executive producers are Will Row and

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Box. Audio production and editing is by Jasper Leak,

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<v Speaker 2>with original music by Tom Burchell and If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to get in touch with any questions or thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>the series, email Cocaine Inc. At The Times dot co

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<v Speaker 2>dot uk.