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Speaker 1: The magnificent Ryan Tedder. Hello, buddy mate, we have wasted.

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Speaker 1: Look at you. You look tan.

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Speaker 2: You look healthy and that's not an Australian tan either.

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Speaker 2: You're not alowed down here. You know that, No, I know, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's a caplications. I want to ask you for it.

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Speaker 2: First of all, can you play for Australians because we're

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Speaker 2: in Sydney at the moment, lockdown and it looks like

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Speaker 2: we're not even at the peak yet we're going up.

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Speaker 1: You performed last night. What is the feel out there? Ryan?

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're back to normal or is there.

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Speaker 2: Still a little bit of that virus bug that you

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Speaker 2: can feel looking at you over the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: I think you just said it. You're in your last

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Speaker 3: statement right there.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: Every single day. It's like, you know, like a teeter

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Speaker 3: tartar right when you're a kid. Yes, so it feels

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Speaker 3: like we're right here.

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Speaker 1: And you're balancing.

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Speaker 3: At any moment, it's going to go in the two ways.

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Speaker 1: Sure, you know.

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Speaker 3: I was talking with the head of Live Nation, who's

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Speaker 3: the big touring company here, two days ago, asking him

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Speaker 3: about traveling around the world. I mean, look, we had

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Speaker 3: three weeks planned in Europe in September, Budapest just pulled

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Speaker 3: out yep, because now we're being told as Americans that

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Speaker 3: that Spain is off the table. We can't go to Spain.

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Speaker 3: And so I would say that America, our vaccination rate

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Speaker 3: is definitely ahead of a lot of the world. But

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Speaker 3: there's America is two different countries. Yeah, and one half

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Speaker 3: of the country is still very flippantly anti vax yes,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it depends on where you go in the country. Man,

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Speaker 3: if you go to Texas or Florida. Right now, we

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Speaker 3: just had another show in Florida, cancel because Florida is

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Speaker 3: now exploded with COVID, Like.

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Speaker 1: California just doing well.

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Speaker 3: California is doing well, and fortunately those are the two

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Speaker 3: places I spend the most time in.

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Speaker 2: The Other one I want to talk to you about is

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Speaker 2: the MIT Gala. I'm fascinated by this aline. It's a

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Speaker 2: huge event.

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Speaker 1: Is it a good night out? Do you relate so

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Speaker 1: rah the celebrities too big ron for you to actually

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Speaker 1: enjoy the night? What's it like? All those all.

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Speaker 3: Those events to me are stressful.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could say they're stress Why they're stressful?

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Speaker 3: I don't love stuff like that, like even the Grammys.

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Speaker 3: I've been going to the Grammys since two thousand and six,

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Speaker 3: and I have I have so much anxiety and stress

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Speaker 3: because it's it's too it's sensory overload, right, and it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of peacocking. Also, I've been in the music

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Speaker 3: industry long enough I worked with enough people that when

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Speaker 3: if you throw me in to a room, I'm one

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Speaker 3: of the few people in that room that has collaborated

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Speaker 3: with like half of the room. And for me, it

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Speaker 3: just becomes this like onslaught of conversations. It's like I

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Speaker 3: literally all I'm thinking from the moment I get there

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Speaker 3: is like, when are we leaving?

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Speaker 4: I was like, make can we talk music? We were

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Speaker 4: talking the other day about the sky Max and you

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Speaker 4: know who I'm talking about. I forgot his last name,

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Speaker 4: but he's and how he's He's produced a lot of songs,

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Speaker 4: but he has that algorithm or sort of let's call

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Speaker 4: it an equation, which is successful for commercial music. Do

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Speaker 4: you find that you have your own equation as well?

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Speaker 3: To an extent, it's a very Scandinavian ethos. The Swedes,

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Speaker 3: especially the Swedish writers of la they all adhere to

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Speaker 3: a much more mathematical makes it sound ugly. It's it's

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Speaker 3: it's really not. It's very smart, is what it is.

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Speaker 3: But it's a it's a way of looking at a

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Speaker 3: song and understanding the relationships of the melodies, knowing exactly

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Speaker 3: like when certain melodies should start or stop in relationship

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Speaker 3: to the beat, Knowing when to repeat something, when not

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Speaker 3: to repeat something.

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Speaker 4: They're roight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very help.

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Speaker 1: It's it is.

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Speaker 3: It is a rule book, and it's helped me tremendously

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Speaker 3: over the years. Yes, to know the rules, you also

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Speaker 3: have to know when to throw the rule book out

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Speaker 3: and break him. Guys like Pharrell Williams, like Happy or

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Speaker 3: Get Lucky or Blurredlines would never have existed if he

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Speaker 3: was following any rules. The biggest songs I would say this.

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Speaker 3: I say some of the biggest hits in the world

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Speaker 3: come from not knowing those rules and not adhering to them,

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Speaker 3: breaking the rules what Max does in his team. If

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Speaker 3: you're if the goal is to consistently sure the highest

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Speaker 3: performing songs, then using those rules helps a lot.

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Speaker 2: Can I wait, We've We've always asked about your collaborations,

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Speaker 2: right every interview that we've done.

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Speaker 1: But I want to ask you this questions.

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Speaker 2: As one of the great songwriters of all time, you sell, Fran,

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Speaker 2: what's what's the one song that you wish that you wrote?

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Speaker 3: Somebody else used to.

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Speaker 1: Astrongly and honest? Why?

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Speaker 3: Because that.

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Speaker 1: He breaks?

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Speaker 3: All right, here's again some like like perfect math. Like

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Speaker 3: if you're breaking down his song by the rule book,

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Speaker 3: the first rule that he breaks is the verses twice

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Speaker 3: as long as it should be, should have already been

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Speaker 3: into the chorus like, Okay, there's certain things he does

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Speaker 3: in there, but his lyrics, the quirkiness of it, the

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Speaker 3: fact that it's an anomaly, it's a unicorn record. That

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Speaker 3: chorus is so honest and the melody is so good.

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Speaker 3: And if you listen to their other songs that are

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Speaker 3: hit records that have been influenced by that song. If

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Speaker 3: you think about you know, somebody you know, like if

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Speaker 3: you think about like Bruno locked out of Heaven. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: now think about somebody I used to know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I love the way that you look at that. But

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Speaker 2: there's so many elements to that song. You are right,

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Speaker 2: he is a genius Wally, isn't he? And this is

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Speaker 2: what we're still waiting for new music from Wally, but

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Speaker 2: this is his thing. He doesn't care what anyone thinks.

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Speaker 2: Takes his time. He's a perfectionist. Might be another five

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Speaker 2: to ten years before you or another singing from him

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Speaker 2: really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't bother him.

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Speaker 3: That's definitely my top top five of all time songs

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Speaker 3: that I mean. I have other songs I wish I wrote,

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Speaker 3: like speaking of Max Martin. My favorite weekend record of

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Speaker 3: all time is Can't Film My Face. I wish I

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Speaker 3: wrote camp Film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, what a song.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect song.

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Speaker 2: What a song song, Bryan Tedder, we can speak to

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Speaker 2: you all day. The new album One Republic's new album

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Speaker 2: Human is out now made.

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see it. We can't wait to

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Speaker 1: have you back here.

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Speaker 2: It might be a while, but mate, look after yourself,

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Speaker 2: Ran and thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: You two guys, hold down the fort and I'll see

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Speaker 3: you when you get out.

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Speaker 1: Say right by by. It fits in Whipper