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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Ferrari wins

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Speaker 1: again with Carlos Science, triumphing from pol at the Mexico

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Speaker 1: City Grand Prix, and controversy rains again with another Max

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Speaker 1: for Staffen and Lando Norris Jewel attracting yet more penalty controversy.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lamonato, motorsport rider for Fox Sports Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of

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Speaker 1: my co host from Speed Cafe. He regularly flips off

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Speaker 1: other drivers when he's in the car, but has never

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Speaker 1: felt the need to apologize. It's Matt Coosh.

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Speaker 2: I don't apologize. I'm sorry. That's just the way I am.

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Speaker 1: That's part of your character. That's okay. And you don't

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Speaker 1: have helmet Marco standing over your shoulder, I suppose threatening

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Speaker 1: to take away your car.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is also very true. I mean, who would

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Speaker 2: want helmet Marco stood over them threatening to take away

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Speaker 2: the car. I mean it's a big threat, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It can make or break your entire life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it can. There's no overestimating it really is.

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Speaker 2: So that one fingered salute could be the last year given.

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Speaker 1: Well, at least you went down in style as oppose

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Speaker 1: cut something off his chest on the way. That was,

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Speaker 1: of course Liam Lawson in the closing stages of the

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix Aga and flipping off Sergio Periz.

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Speaker 2: He's got some spunk. I like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: He's already started two rivalries and two Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: Well, in fairness, one won't last long and the other

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Speaker 2: can't really have much longer statistically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's really making ways. I'm glad to see it.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Mexico City Grand Prix in just

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Speaker 1: a moment, but we're in the middle of a triple

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Speaker 1: header and so news is flowing thick and fast, and

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Speaker 1: let's catch you up with the top five stories from

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Speaker 1: the last week, and the biggest one matt Is Piastree

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Speaker 1: to Red Bull. Well, it's not that that's not happened,

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Speaker 1: but Red Bull Motors sport advisor Helmut Marco, his second

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Speaker 1: Mark Webber is enthusiastically seeking talks with Red Bull about

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Speaker 1: the possibility of taking the Australian too. Milton Keynes, Piastri

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Speaker 1: of course, was asked about this in Mexico. It's contract

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Speaker 1: to McClaren for at least another two years, and has

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Speaker 1: denied he's looking for a move.

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Speaker 2: Because he's not. Yeah, it's that simple. It is that simple.

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Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with Oscar past and I

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Speaker 2: must have been I reported on this with Oscar's comments,

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Speaker 2: refuting Helmet Marco because it was put to Oscar. But

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Speaker 2: I did some thinking on this. It has nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with Oscar. Mark Webbert is seeking a meeting with

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Speaker 2: Helmet Marco, but it is completely disconnected from Oscar. Piastre.

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Speaker 2: Take that to me and what you like.

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Speaker 1: It's also not surprising that we've seen a real ramping

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Speaker 1: up in the last month. I'm willing to say of

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Speaker 1: just red Bull and McLaren what I would describe as

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Speaker 1: blatant shit stirring.

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Speaker 2: This is This isn't shit stirring. This is not shit

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Speaker 2: stirring whatsoever. This is Helmut Marco has said something that

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Speaker 2: is factually.

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Speaker 1: Correct, deliberately out of context. Way.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that what the full quote was.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if it's been taken and misconstrued or whatever,

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Speaker 2: because it came out of the German press, but Mark

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Speaker 2: is one chasing conversations with helmet Marco about a driver.

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Speaker 2: There you go, more will more will come out?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well let's move on to another reedid Yes, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: another Red Bull driver and that is Yuki Sonoda because

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner says Yuki will

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Speaker 1: get his long awaited test in an up to date

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing car at the end of season ABU

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Speaker 1: Dhrby test. It's reportedly down to Honda pressure, but Horner

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Speaker 1: says it's been in the works for a long time,

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Speaker 1: probably not though quite the four years it's known as

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Speaker 1: a big part of the family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got accused of clickbait with this. I wrote,

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Speaker 2: that's all right, Sonoda gets Red Bull call up. I

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Speaker 2: think it's the headline that I put on it, which

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Speaker 2: it absolutely does. It's just we're also predisposed to expecting

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Speaker 2: that Sergio Perryz is going to be dumped. That we

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Speaker 2: what we know therefore is that neither Maxwsappan nor so

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Speaker 2: In the junior car, you would therefore expect someone like

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Speaker 2: point we'll talk about Franco Colopinto as well, but he

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be eligible for that Young Driver test also because

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Speaker 2: you've got to compete. I think it's fewer than three

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Speaker 2: Snodo getting that test. Honda have been pushing him pretty heavily,

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Speaker 2: Red Bull has been able to say no with justifiable reason,

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Speaker 2: and that reason is very hard to justify this year.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to in a way Sergio, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking more about him later on, but organizers of the

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Speaker 1: Mexico City Grand Prix entering negotiations for a contract extension

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Speaker 1: beyond the end of next season, and they're expressing optimism,

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Speaker 1: and the context is pretty obvious that the race can

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Speaker 1: be successful with or without Joe Perez on the grid

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Speaker 1: point of the fact tickets sold out extremely quickly just

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Speaker 2: It's also a really cheap event for us. Perhaps that's

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Speaker 2: different if you're in Mexico. I'm not averse to what

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Speaker 2: there and how big a hit the tickets are. But

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Speaker 2: But yeah, they expect that if Sergio is not there,

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Speaker 2: I don't imagine I'll have too many dramas. Selling was

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Speaker 1: It is one of the great events as well. Have

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Speaker 1: of days before the race at the weekend, McLaren lodged

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Speaker 1: been the ruling document itself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was having stopping some messages with a few

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Speaker 2: information which got thrown out. There is a high bar

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Speaker 2: terms of what is new and relevant. Mcclarence has perhaps

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Speaker 2: set a new low bar for that.

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Speaker 1: Hang on. There are lower bars, but god are they?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, don't you remember twenty twenty one British

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Speaker 3: Grandfrix when Christian Horners and Alex Elvon around in a

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Speaker 1: That for me remains the lowest bar.

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Speaker 2: But there they have just gone, you spelt that word wrong.

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Speaker 2: This is the Grammar Police getting out there and having

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Speaker 2: all goes to the racing guidelines, which themselves are interesting.

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Speaker 2: I've written the piece on Speak Cafe about those. That's

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Speaker 2: the documents evolved in the last two or three years.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, it's not publicly available. I do have

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Speaker 2: a copy. I have read it. It's six pages long.

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Speaker 2: It's very boring, and there is a lot of self

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Speaker 2: the International Sporting Code article as appendix and LO or

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Speaker 2: something I think next year. But at the moment you've

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Speaker 2: and underpinning all out of the statutes. It's an excessively

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Speaker 1: Guidelines sounds a lot like a high to the Caribbean plotline,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it. Finally to the European Union, where the competition

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the EU stuff. It's important to clarify that

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Speaker 2: there are two different things that have been us One

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Speaker 2: is the MotoGP and the dawner stuff, which would give

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Speaker 2: them effectively a monopoly. That's one element. The other is

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Speaker 2: whether of exercised rights that perhaps they shouldn't have. And

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago looking at Formula one the commercial rights

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Speaker 2: holders involvement in the entry process. Back in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and one, Formula one, the FIA found themselves in front

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Speaker 2: over exactly the point that this Braziliani German meb because

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Speaker 2: been a long weekend. This has been heard and tested previously,

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Speaker 2: and it was insisted by the European Commission that there

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Speaker 2: the commercial aspect of it and the regulatory aspect. That

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Speaker 2: in time. Since then, we've had there was a ten

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Speaker 2: year agreement in terms of TV commercial rights, one hundred

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Speaker 2: year agreement that now exists somewhere along the line. That

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Speaker 2: complete separation has been diluted and if you really want

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Speaker 2: to know what's quite fascinating this stuff really interests me

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Speaker 2: that article is on to speak. Cafe I titled it

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Speaker 2: something like the contract clause that could cost Formula one

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Speaker 2: or Liberty Media billions because the penalty for it can

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Speaker 2: be quite significant in the US, where the same challenge

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Speaker 2: is being made. Basically, is Formula one right to have

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Speaker 2: any say, not that it blockedown Trette or ANDREADI in particular,

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Speaker 1: It will be an interesting story to see it rumble

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Speaker 1: on over years, probably, but look, you never know. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: The difference for Carlos is this isn't self inflicted.

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Speaker 1: the raidar. He's enjoyed the last couple of months where

433
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Speaker 1: Ferrari hasn't had focus on it, and he said he's

434
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Speaker 1: very pleased that the Stafford and Norris keep running into

435
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Speaker 1: one another because it means people are talking about something

436
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: other than Ferrari. But it's going to be hard to

437
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: continue to avoid that spotlight because the car looks like

438
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: it's back to where it started the season essentially, and

439
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: interestingly not just where it started the season, but it's

440
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: almost as if it hasn't missed out on the development

441
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Speaker 1: progress that for example, it feels like red Bull is

442
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: missed out on right. All that troubleshooting time means they

443
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: they've got the car in a good place again, at

444
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: least with Max, but it's not dominant like it was

445
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Speaker 1: at the start of the year, because it's missed months

446
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Speaker 1: of development. So a really good job by Ferrari.

447
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: Is that car in the good place though? Is it?

448
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: Well, it's a podium contender, and I think that that

449
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: means it's it's in the mix, which is all anyone

450
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: can seem to hope for at this point in the season.

451
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: You know it is all relative. But let's not forget Matt.

452
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: To bring us to the final point of this Grand Prix,

453
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: Max still pretty comfortably leads the Driver's Championship. Despite all

454
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Speaker 1: its problems. The gaff has barely changed what is it

455
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: has been a five point swing I think since the

456
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Speaker 1: Miami Grand Prix, so throughout all the troubles, Max has

457
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Speaker 1: been able to keep his head above water. The reason

458
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: it's down to third in the Constructor's Championship is, as

459
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: we've said before, Sergio Periz, He's underperformances have continued, if anything,

460
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: have become more dire. Azerbaijan stands as this unusual outlier

461
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Speaker 1: of a good weekend for him, although he did he

462
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Speaker 1: did crash out of the race, so it didn't gore

463
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Speaker 1: any points, but he was at least competitive that weekend.

464
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Speaker 1: This was a real shock of him in the context

465
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Speaker 1: of this being his home race. He arrived admitting it

466
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: had a terrible season so far, but that one result

467
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: can turn it around. He said he wanted to do

468
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Speaker 1: it at home, bombed out of qualifying eighteenth, it was

469
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: more than eight tenths of a second slower than the staff,

470
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Speaker 1: and finished seventeenth and last. Slightly inflated result because, of

471
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Speaker 1: course he went for that fastest lap late in the

472
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Speaker 1: and to be fair to him, I suppose let's start

473
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Speaker 1: with not the positives but the ameliorating factors. The damage

474
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Speaker 1: he picked up battling with Lim Lawson meant the second

475
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Speaker 1: half of the race he was never gonna be anyhe

476
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Speaker 1: any of the points anyway. The flip side of that is,

477
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Speaker 1: of course, he was forced into a recovery battle because

478
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Speaker 1: he started outside of his good spot, which he curd

479
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Speaker 1: a five second penalty which kind of undid that great

480
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Speaker 1: start he did, and he couldn't put a clean move

481
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Speaker 1: on Liam Lawson in a much slower car.

482
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Speaker 2: Now.

483
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Speaker 1: Lawson was battling hard, but that's his job. He's a

484
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Speaker 1: racing driver, even if both cars are owned by Red Bull.

485
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Speaker 1: And it feels like Matt the the vibe has changed

486
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Speaker 1: slightly now like Red Bull's obviously clearly been running out

487
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Speaker 1: of patients with Perez since it was clear that there's

488
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Speaker 1: been no recovery since the mid season break, but it's

489
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Speaker 1: kind of talked a kind of good game around him.

490
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Speaker 1: Christian Horner keeps saying it's just a stack with the

491
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Speaker 1: fact that he's got a contract from next year. It's

492
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Speaker 1: I guess it's not really positive, but has tried to not

493
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Speaker 1: buy into this idea that Peeris could be out of

494
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Speaker 1: the team after this race, though, did no such thing.

495
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Speaker 1: Refused to commit to him, not even be on the

496
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Speaker 1: end of next year, but beyond the end of this

497
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Speaker 1: weekend's a race in Brazil. It feels like that's as

498
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Speaker 1: close as confirmation we've got that Red Bull's preparing for

499
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Speaker 1: a Parees less future, and it's not surprising to see why.

500
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Speaker 2: It's just logical. You know, the Constructors Championships gone, what

501
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: are they fighting for now? You can put all your

502
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Speaker 2: resources behind Max and then almost do whatever you like

503
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Speaker 2: with the second car, but it's not been contributing anything

504
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: for a long time. So if you make a change

505
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: there and it gets worse, well what does it matter

506
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: if you make a change and it gets better. Happy days?

507
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Speaker 2: You know, the definition of insanity is to continue the

508
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Speaker 2: same actions and the expectations of a different outcome. What

509
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Speaker 2: they're therefore doing with Perez is insane. They can't carry

510
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Speaker 2: on with that. And if you're going to introduce a

511
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Speaker 2: variable and that variable is being entertained with a view

512
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Speaker 2: towards next year, why not bring it in early and

513
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: give yourself a little bit more time to bed that

514
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Speaker 2: all down. Because there are things that each team will

515
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Speaker 2: do differently, and each car will handle different And I

516
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: think what we saw on Sunday in Mexico, across the

517
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: whole weekend, even Sergio failed in qualifying, He was clumsy

518
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: in the race on a couple of fronts. That was

519
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: a desperate, desperate weekend for him. He wasn't his usual self.

520
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: There was a huge amount of attention on him, and

521
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Speaker 2: even earlier in the weekend, when Christian Horner was asked

522
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Speaker 2: about Sergio and his plight and everything else, he turned

523
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Speaker 2: the question around and started talking about the number of

524
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Speaker 2: endorsements that Serjo was doing that weekend. He'd never actually

525
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: directly answered the question. So the battle with Lim and

526
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Speaker 2: the antagonization between those who it is one brilliant for us,

527
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: we're watching a changing of the guards that that was

528
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Speaker 2: personal between those two. And the reason it was is because,

529
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's your next Red Bull driver. It's that simple.

530
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: So that one fingered salute of limbs was a little

531
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: bit more pointed towards Sergio, and that's perhaps why he's

532
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: talking about you know, he doesn't have the right attitude

533
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: and all sorts of things. You know, he's lashing out,

534
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: he's desperate, he is watching his Formula one career disappear.

535
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: Because if he drops out of the sport at the

536
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Speaker 2: end of this year, where and how does he pop

537
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: back in? Because the other guys who are out are

538
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: the likes of Franco Colopinto, Isaac Hadjar, some other F

539
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 2: two drivers who are knocking on the doors as well.

540
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: All these other teams have junior programs. We don't even

541
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Speaker 2: know if iFactory botas a more credential and more reliable

542
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: driver is going to be on the grid next year.

543
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: We think so, and we've had strong indications twice now,

544
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: once they did signed at Williams and once they had

545
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: signed it at SABA. Neither have obviously come true yet

546
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: one might, but this is the desperate position that he

547
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: finds himself. He's going to be forced into retirement exactly

548
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 2: the same way that Daniel Ricardo was. But he's not

549
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: going to get that glorious emotional send off where we

550
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: all know what's happening but can't say it. He's just

551
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: going to fall out the back door of Formula one,

552
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: which is a shame because for a long time he

553
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: has been a consistent, reliable performer in the midfield. He

554
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: was a superstar. But when you're standing in that spotlight,

555
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: there's no way to hide, and he's been found out.

556
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: It's not to say he's a bad driver. He is

557
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: an exceptional driver, and he's better than ninety nine point

558
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Speaker 2: nine percent of drivers who will ever race a car

559
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: of any sort. But being good enough, you know, being

560
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 2: in the point zero one percentile is not good enough

561
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: in formul on, and you've got to be in the

562
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Speaker 2: point zero zero one percentile. That's where Max is, That's

563
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: where Shao is, That's where Rebull clearly thinks Liam Lawson is.

564
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the lashing out against Lawson was a

565
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: little bit unseemly. It's not surprising when drivers obviously have

566
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: difference of opinions about things that they criticize each other.

567
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: That's fine, but he took it to an extent that

568
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: I almost found a little bit breathtaking. There would have

569
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: been a degree of, I guess, playing to the crowd,

570
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: not that he was saying it to the audience, but

571
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Speaker 1: it was his home race. Wants to sort of stick

572
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Speaker 1: up for himself, g up the crowd a little bit,

573
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Speaker 1: or gep the home fans. But I mean some of

574
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: the stuff he said about not having the attitude for

575
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Formula one, not being cut out for a kind of thing,

576
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Speaker 1: I just thought that, really did I think you've said

577
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: it right? Reeked of desperation for a man who knows

578
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: he was battling the guy who wants to take his

579
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: seat and probably his odds on to take it. And

580
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: if these are look, I've got to respect the fact

581
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: that Sergio Perez is always fronted back up. Every season

582
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: that he's ended badly, He's come back every race. It

583
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Speaker 1: does feel like he turns up reset, even if when

584
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Speaker 1: he's in the car it feels like the confidence does

585
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: get bad and I feel like the confidence is now unrecoverable.

586
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Speaker 1: But it's never really felt like he's put his head

587
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: down too much outside of the car. I think that's

588
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: to be commended, but I think someone probably needs to

589
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: tell him that he's not going to be back next year,

590
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: and he needs to probably a soak up these last races.

591
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I know it's hard for racing driver here. He keeps

592
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: saying he's gonna be back next year, but even he

593
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: has to at some point recognize that he's on the

594
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Speaker 1: ropes and go out with a bit of dignity, because,

595
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Speaker 1: like you say, it's very hard after you've battled with

596
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Speaker 1: maximstaff On or even Botas against Hamilton, a front running

597
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: team and being shown up to be less than great.

598
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Speaker 1: But people will remember, you know, once his career has

599
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: ended and people look back that actually was a really

600
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Speaker 1: solid and slick performer in the midfield. And even look

601
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Speaker 1: his first year or so at Red Bull Racing were

602
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: decent at least did enough to win Max the twenty

603
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: twenty one championship. You know deserves credit for the racing

604
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: he did that year. Don't sully it with a petulant

605
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: or desperate last few races like have go out there

606
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Speaker 1: and hold your head up high.

607
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Speaker 2: One thing that I just wanted to throw into the

608
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Speaker 2: mix as well, is that he saved which is currently

609
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: the estimantin team. Yeah, he put that team into administration.

610
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: He saved hundreds and hundreds of jobs at that team,

611
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: And for that alone, the guy massively deserves all our respect.

612
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: We make a bit of fun of him at times

613
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: because you know, hey, we're we're all for experts, that's

614
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: what we do. But for that alone, I mean, the guy,

615
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 2: the guy deserves something, deserves our respect for that because

616
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: you know how many drivers will go out there and

617
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: put themselves on the line to do the right thing

618
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: for the hundreds of people that support them. There's a

619
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Speaker 2: couple that would. Sergio Perrowz has absolutely gone on record

620
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Speaker 2: and doing that. So for all of this aside, I

621
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: do think he's going to exit the sport at the

622
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: end of the season. You know, we deserve to applaud

623
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: him and give him standing ovation for that because that

624
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: was just way above and beyond.

625
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Let's move on now mat to the other big talking

626
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: point of this weekend, and that was maximstaff and versus

627
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: Lando Norris again times two and times three in fact,

628
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: all in space of one lap. The context of this

629
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: is the championship battle, which may or may not be

630
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: on regardless of whether or not it's a realistic they

631
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: are the top two in the championship, and Max would

632
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: at least recognize that had he not had such a

633
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: great start to this season, it would have been much closer.

634
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: They're much closer rival than the points suggest the context

635
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: of this, as we already talked about that Lando Norris

636
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: got the penalty at the end of the United States

637
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Grand Prix as well, so the battle was already sort

638
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: of frothing a little bit, and that was the big

639
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: talking point heading into this race. And lo and behold,

640
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: on lap ten, they find themselves battling again at turn

641
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: four in almost identical circumstances to what happened in the

642
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: US Norris trying to pass around the outside, didn't get

643
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: it done on the track, passed off the track. But

644
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: this was a little bit different, didn't He really tried

645
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: hard to keep himself on the track. I thought his

646
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: approach was different in letting Max push him off rather

647
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: than deciding he was going to be pushed off and

648
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: then executing the pass. I think that was a key difference.

649
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: But then Max taking him a way off track at

650
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: turned seven with no intention of making the corner. Both

651
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: those incidents earned Max ten second penalties added up to

652
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: twenty seconds, which took him out of the podium contention entirely.

653
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: But it felt like a little bit the tide turned

654
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: a bit against for Staffan and he's driving in the

655
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: last seven days was particularly after the Mexico City Grand Prix.

656
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting too that Norris ventured that

657
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: this was dirty driving against his friend. He was very

658
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: pains to say, I respect Max, and I like Max,

659
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and I love battling with Max. But by the way,

660
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: in brackets, driving bit dirty, isn't it? As well? On

661
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: the weekend that the driving guidelines have come under the

662
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: spotlight and will be changed in the next couple of

663
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: weeks for review. It does feel like, after years of

664
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: vestafen the Staffan's driving kind of being, for one of

665
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: a better phrase, the lowest common denominator on how we

666
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: adjudicate the sport, that actually those standards are changing a

667
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: little bit.

668
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: It does seem that way, but it's all sort of

669
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: coincidental because the changes and everything else we mentioned it earlier.

670
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: You know, they're being incorporated into the International Sporting Coach,

671
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: so the changes were always going to happen, there will

672
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: be some nuance in that that changes, and that sort

673
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: of routine. You know. The driving sands were introduced in

674
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. It was a two page document that

675
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: got changed a little bit for twenty twenty three and

676
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: then largely rewritten for twenty twenty four. And there's a

677
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: copy of them right there. I'm showing you, Michael. I've

678
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: got them right here, and I've highlighted a bit here.

679
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: It's it's note two to keep in mind. These just guideline.

680
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: So I guess it's Article two A, Part three, and

681
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: it specifically says, without in brackets, deliberately forcing the other

682
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: car off the track at the exit. This includes leaving

683
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: a fair and acceptable width for the car being overtaken

684
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: from the apex to the exit of the corner. Now,

685
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: that specifically relates to overtaking on the inside. So if

686
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: the overtaking car is on the inside, would you say, Michael,

687
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: that that has been applied consistent consistently or what a

688
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: current the inside? Would it be commonplace for to sweep

689
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: across the track on exit and crowd the other car

690
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: off the road.

691
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty common you see crowding off the road.

692
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: I feel like that's become a pretty standard part of driving.

693
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Yet this document was produced in February this year, and

694
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: that line, in one way, shape or form, has been

695
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: in the document since twenty twenty two. So these guidelines

696
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: aren't being followed in a first point, the interpretation of them.

697
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: You go back to the United States with Norris and

698
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Max and McLaren's argument sort of a side point to this.

699
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: But you know, the rules are here, the rules are

700
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: reasonably clear. I mean, they're not rules, they're guidelines. But

701
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: you know, the fact is that it's all here, it's all documented,

702
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 2: and yet we're seeing breaches of this or instances where

703
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: this is clearly contradict what this says. So it's just

704
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: for me, it's a stewarding thing that needs to be

705
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: tightened up. And once you start tightening up on that

706
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: sort of stuff and running drivers off the road gets penalized,

707
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: even if you make the pass cleanly. You know, if

708
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: you force another driver off the track at the exit,

709
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: including leaving a fairy without leaving an acceptable width of

710
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: the car being overtaken, yeah, punish them. It's how do

711
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: we learn at school. We'd get detention or you lose

712
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: a lunch or whatever it was, and would learn the

713
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: lesson and we wouldn't do it again unless you're me,

714
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: in which case you're doing many many But if you

715
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: don't punish it, then you're going to normalize it. And

716
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: that's where we've got to. This actually goes back, not

717
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: I think to Max. It goes way back. I think

718
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: to the eighties where we started to see some of

719
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: this more aggressive, more desperate racing, where there were more

720
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: liberties taken, there was more risk taken, and that has gradually,

721
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: over the decades become normalized to the point where you

722
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: look at what the way they racing Formula to Informat

723
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: three and it's opening. Some of that stuff is just

724
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: absolute madness. And then some of those guys reach reached

725
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: Formula one and they bring that skill set with them

726
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: and they just keep doing. Liam Lawson, arguably what he

727
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: did with Fernando Lonzo was a great example of that.

728
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: He learnt those skills racing and Formative two in Formula

729
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: three and he transposed those into Formula one and it's

730
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: just you can't do it in Formula one. Fernando had

731
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: a point. You know, Liam didn't breach the guidelines, but

732
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: Fernando equally had a point. You know, the risk is

733
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: just higher. So the intent with these standards is that

734
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: they're applied across the board, but they're not applied at all.

735
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: They're not applied consistently, which opens a whole nother conversation.

736
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: But bring it back to Max. He's just exploiting a

737
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: weakness in the regulations. It's unsavory, but not everything that

738
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: they're INCENTI did with Savory, not everything that Michael Schumacher

739
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: did with Savory. Yet we look back and they're the

740
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: greats of the sport.

741
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: Take of that what you will, I think, well, I

742
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: think there are a couple of different elements to that,

743
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: and to what you said, the crowding a car off

744
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: track as has become commonplace in overtaking, or rather the

745
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: guidelines more broadly, I don't have such a problem with

746
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: guidelines or rules being flexible. I mean, guidelines are a

747
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: weird way. Probably shouldn't be flexible because they're evolving so much.

748
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: The sports should be stewarded based largely on precedent, and

749
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: the sport should be willing to bend rules or reinterpret

750
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: rules based on and I already think this should be

751
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: the case. What drivers think. I think reg yearly drivers

752
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: should come together twenty drivers who are lucky enough to

753
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: be racing in Grand Prix and say this is what

754
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: we believe the standard should be when we're racing one another.

755
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: This is what we're comfortable with, and that might change

756
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: over time, but at the end of the day, they're

757
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: the ones taking the risks and they need to understand

758
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: what the rules are to ensure we're not regularly having

759
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: penalties thrown out or things aren't becoming controversies. If it's

760
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: a sort of common ground between them, then we're likely

761
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: to get better racing and less stuarding interventions. So I

762
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: think there should be perhaps a more formal role in that.

763
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: I think it's actually probably a little bit concerning the guidelines,

764
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: as the intention has been for years to appear in

765
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: the International Sporting Code, to any on how prescriptive the

766
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: guidelines end up being in the Sporting Code, because I

767
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: think they should be a little bit fluid. Of course,

768
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: there are going to be some pretty hard principles in there,

769
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, it's cars racing

770
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: between white lines. There's only so many different ways you

771
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: can say this is in or out. But the nuances

772
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: of it should be really open to some flexibility about

773
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: what the drivers think, whether that's going back three years

774
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: incidents and coming up with what most people think is

775
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: acceptable or not. Certainly or George Russell, who is the

776
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: head of the GPDA, said nineteen out of the twenty drivers,

777
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: the twentieth being Max Withstaffen all agreed that what happened

778
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: in Austin was not in accordance with their understanding of

779
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: how racing should be done, regardless what the guidelines say.

780
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: So it situations like that where I feel like we

781
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: should have sort of a bit of an alternative way

782
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: of coming to an agreement of how the sport should

783
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: be stewarded. Maybe that requires a smaller pool of stewards

784
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: or one or two permanent ones that mix in with

785
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: the rotating ones to ensure that precedence happens, because that's

786
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: harder when the stewards are different week on week. Some

787
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: people have suggested that's why the rules were not interpreted differently,

788
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: but certainly punished Harsher this weekend. But that's just the

789
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: matter of the sport. And look, you can say in football,

790
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: the referee is different every week, even though they're professional.

791
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: You're not going to get exactly the same calls, and

792
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: maybe that's fine, But the other element is ver Staffan's driving.

793
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I largely don't have a problem with it, even turn

794
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: for it and have a problem with it. I thought

795
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: it was fine that he just got a penalty, and like,

796
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: sometimes that's going to happen, sometimes drivers are just going

797
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: to except the marks. But turn seven I did have

798
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: an issue with it because I thought a was petulant,

799
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: the fact that it really seemed to be retaliation, which

800
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: should never really happen in racing. I feel like retaliation

801
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: going off the track and breaking the rules is pretty dangerous,

802
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: even if this wasn't a super dangerous Well it wasn't

803
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: dangerous because Norris avoided it, but anyway, but then second

804
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: to that, it did. And maybe this is the clever

805
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: part of him interpreting the rules and knowing he was

806
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: going to get a penalty, but it did hamper Norris's

807
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: race and prevented him from maybe winning the Grand Prix.

808
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: So put him fifteen seconds behind the leader at the

809
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: first stop, and he ended up five seconds behind Science

810
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the race or thereabout, so using

811
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: the rules to his advantage, I guess he did. Maybe

812
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: that really is the definition of a professional foul for

813
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the staff, and maybe that's good on him for knowing that.

814
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think there is an element

815
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: of yeah, you're right. All the great drivers really know

816
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: the limit of the rules and push the envelope slightly.

817
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: Maybe this is him pushing it a little bit too much.

818
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's up for debate. I suppose there's

819
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: all these rules inevitably are but I just think there's

820
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: got to be some flexibility or some in from the

821
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: drivers here, because there's no point policing rules that none

822
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: of the drivers agree with, because I think that everyone

823
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: loses from that. Every race will get drivers grumpy, it'll

824
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: be controversial thefi are we forced to defend themselves. I

825
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: don't think anyone wins from that.

826
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a degree of that. The flip side is

827
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: that controversy is also good because it generates headlines. You

828
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: want a little bit of drama in there. And that's

829
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 2: a conversation that's been had in the office of late

830
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: looking at supercars and the fact that there is no controversy,

831
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: there is no niggle there to really spark, and so

832
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: we've got that in Formula one in abundance. You know,

833
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: we've got a deteriorating relationship between two mates, and Maxi

834
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: Stap and Lando Norris now publicly having goes at one another,

835
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: which is fabulous. We saw this with Lewis Hamilton and

836
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: Nico Rosberg back in the day. I don't want them

837
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: to damage a personal relationship. I never want that, but

838
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: it's great for us from a sporting spectacle because now

839
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: you can throw yourself behind It turns motorsport into a

840
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: football match. You know your your orange or you're blue,

841
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: and that that's kind of where we are. And then

842
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: increasingly we've got red coming as well. So it's fabulous

843
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: and that we get this tribalism, you get this allegiance

844
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: to an individual driver of personality who you can identify

845
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: with in their enough there's enough information about their personalities

846
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: that you can relate to one of them. I love

847
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: that Max is so determined that he will do whatever

848
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: it takes to win. I love that determination, and I

849
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: hope that my kids have that when they grow up

850
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 2: to the same extent, to the same way that he doesn't.

851
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but that's beside the point. I love that

852
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: about him. I love the way that the lando gets

853
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: so emotional about it. You know that we've got these

854
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: characters that we can see human traits in them. It's

855
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: a positive story that the rules perhaps push or promote

856
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: a little bit of that to the fur is not

857
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad thing. I'd hate this to turn into

858
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: something where it's just so clearly black and white that

859
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: you don't have this drama, because for me, this is

860
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: better than a soap opera. You've got the battles on track,

861
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: the battles in the paddock, the technical fight, the political fight,

862
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: the financial stuff that go on. There's so many elements

863
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: of this that it's just another It's just another strand

864
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: of that rich tapestry that is Formula one. And I

865
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: will speak passionately about it, and I will I will

866
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 2: criticize and lament the regulations, and then when they fix them,

867
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: I'll probably do the same and call for it to

868
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 2: be back the way it was because it was better

869
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: in my day.

870
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: All right, Matt, Before we wrap this up, I'm going

871
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: to go through the alternative championship picks. Getting close to

872
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: the end of the year, I don't know how many

873
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: weeks we've got left, but that means times running out.

874
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: If you want to catch the leader, you're probably not

875
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: going to there's a lot of points in the lead

876
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: if you want to finish in the top three. Mainly,

877
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: I think it's probably still possible. It's been it's been

878
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: a controversial weeks. I think we probably have some good picks. Matt,

879
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: do you want to start us?

880
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to kick us off the alternative championship where

881
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: the points really don't matter and we usually take more

882
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 2: than we give. I'm going to start off with max

883
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: for stappin ye, and I'm going to take twenty points

884
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: away for obvious reasons, but not for the moves themselves,

885
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: for the excuse I wouldn't have had to go and

886
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: get the penalties if I had a faster car. My

887
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: car was too slow, so I had to push people

888
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: off the track. So I'm taking twenty points off max

889
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: Forstappen for a poor excuse at trying to defend or

890
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 2: deflect or whatever from those two transgressions.

891
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Very good. I like that a lot. I'm going to start,

892
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: unsurprisingly by taking points off fifty four points off Christian Horner,

893
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: that being the gap between first and tend the constructive standings,

894
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: just for want of a milestone for literally but appearing

895
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: unironically to have it literally printed out when he brought

896
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Lando Norris's telemetry to his post race press conference to

897
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: prove that Vestappen didn't deserve a penalty a turn for

898
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: because Norris was going too fast to make the corner,

899
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: despite the fact that video footage showed Norris clearly making

900
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: the corner. Notably, map he did not bring Vestappen's telemetry

901
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: from turn seven.

902
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: It seems it's a bit of an oversight, doesn't it.

903
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, must have run out of which I thought

904
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: was quite wasteful.

905
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: Or jammed or yeah, I mean princes are always jamming,

906
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: aren't they. And you know, I want to know in

907
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: the ink cartridges or the inside the cost company. That's

908
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: the important question here.

909
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: That's that's what should have been asked at that present

910
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: in general.

911
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 2: Laser Yeah, yes, all right, let's move seamlessly on. I'm

912
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: for my second pick. I've got Liam Lawson and I'm

913
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: going to give him just one single point for a

914
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: tremendous display of dexterity.

915
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: A lot, very good, well sum. I think it was

916
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: a highlight of the rays. I do love when those

917
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: videos surface. I feel like I inevitably missed them in

918
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: the race coverage and then you say, oh, someone's seen

919
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: the footage I've been flipping off. It was a good

920
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: one as well. It was a clear one. Yeah, I

921
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: thought that was good.

922
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to pass you one more time,

923
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: so just once more.

924
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I really like the way he's going about his business.

925
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Two races in and he's absolutely taking no prisoners.

926
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 2: Very good. Yeah, he's got some mongrel about him. It's good.

927
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: I love it. Yes, he's fought hard to get there

928
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 2: and he's leaving a few bruised eyes already. Good.

929
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: For my second pick, I'm going to take fifteen points

930
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: off Christian Horner for the following quote. I think we're

931
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: in danger of flipping the overtaking laws upside down, where

932
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: drivers will just try to get their nose ahead at

933
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: the apex. The problem is, I think we're going to

934
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: get into very dangerous territory of it. What point is

935
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: a dive bomb going to be? Okay, that wasn't in

936
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: reference to what Max Withstaffan did in the United States.

937
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: It was in reference to Lando Norris going around the

938
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: outset dive bombing around the outside of a corner. I

939
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: mean that just for me. Look, that was just superbly

940
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: disingenuous Horner and he deserves fifteen points off for it.

941
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, I'm excited you've gone Christian Horning for

942
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: your first year. Second, Bich, I'm very much looking forward

943
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: to your third, and I'm going to be very disappointed

944
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: it's not Christian Horner. Yeah, the irony in that statement

945
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: is just tremendous.

946
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem is he had none problem.

947
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: And there was none to him, but to everyone else. Yes,

948
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: the irony was lost on him. The irony of that, Yeah,

949
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: that's that's fantastic. I do love that. My last pick

950
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: probably not on anyone's radar, but Prelli, I'm taking ninety

951
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: points on free for having to watch free practice two.

952
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: No oh for Relly.

953
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't there.

954
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: They're not allowed to do in season testing, wasn't there.

955
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: We've got we've got cost caps, we've got all of

956
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: this stuff that surely there's a way that teams are

957
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: making money now, unless you Williams needed one hundred million

958
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: pound injection. But there's got to be a better way

959
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: than forcing the watching world to absorb ninety minutes of

960
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: And the thing is, we didn't even know what we

961
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: were watch. It was they had these predetermined plans. Share

962
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: a bit more information with us. Is it going to impact.

963
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: We're not going to sneak into your labs and mess

964
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: with your data. Just tell us what's going on so

965
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: that we can understand what we're watching. That was a

966
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: painful ninety minutes. And then at the end with the

967
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: red flag, you know we didn't know when drivers could

968
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: switch on. It was you know at the sixty minute

969
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: mark they can switch over and do the testing that

970
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: they didn't do an FP one or is it when

971
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: they finished their run plan? And what ties are they allowed?

972
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: It was just so ambiguous. It was really poorly done.

973
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: And for that prerely ninety points, thanks very much.

974
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: It was extremely boring, give you that more so the

975
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: most I.

976
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: Wonder if it was also just because of the timing,

977
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: because we were both in Australia covering that that session,

978
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: so it worked out to be like what five thirty

979
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: or something in the.

980
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: No, well, that's the worst part. I think that was

981
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: Actually it was like seven or eight am. It should

982
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: have been good. Yeah, it was a good the sun

983
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: was up, made myself a coffee perfect. I love these races.

984
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: If I'm at home for them because it's breakfast Grand Prix.

985
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: You make yourselfie breakfast, you watch the race.

986
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: I think maybe the energy levels were dropping in as

987
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: a result. Yeah, the energy level was dropped.

988
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.

989
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: They fell off. The energy levels hit the cliff.

990
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, very good. Ninety points off. That's

991
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: fair enough. Look, I also did not really appreciate those

992
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: ninety minutes. For the final pick for this week, my

993
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: math serves me correctly, it's thirty one points off. Christian

994
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: Horner for despite all of the aforementioned evidence that he

995
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: said was in controvertible, in controvertible, said no, he would

996
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: not be appealing any of the penalties, almost as if

997
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: the evidence was nonsense. What a waste of everyone's time.

998
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: What a waste of amendous waste.

999
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: And the air is thin in Mexico, it's precious.

1000
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: Don't waste your I mean, I don't think about any more.

1001
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: Go faster than the craft for that. Ah, that's that

1002
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: is fantastic. So that works out to me around one year.

1003
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm very very happy with that. I would have been

1004
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: disappointed if you're going anywhere else, you know, you slipped

1005
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 2: a cheeky Jonathan Wheatley or something in there. But that's

1006
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: that's fabulous. That is Yeah, it was a series of

1007
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: comments that didn't cover Christian hornering glory.

1008
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: But you know what, we had to go one hundred

1009
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: points up. I will not be walked back from the

1010
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: hundred points. That's all the time we have for Pittalk today.

1011
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,359
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1012
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,200
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1018
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1019
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