WEBVTT - ATTACHMENT STYLES & LOVE LANGUAGES WITH DATING COACH MIMI WATT

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<v Speaker 1>Twice is the pattern three times? His character?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like that my job.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like just throwing out.

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<v Speaker 2>You take my job, Mart.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, Where's your Head At?

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<v Speaker 3>Is a podcast that talks four things. Little hold on

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<v Speaker 3>a sec. Let's give this a refresh. Hi, I'm Anna.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Matt, and we are now too newlywed not

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. Just a female and male best friend

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<v Speaker 1>here for the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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<v Speaker 3>Times and exploring adulthood, family relationships, dilemmas.

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<v Speaker 1>And whatever else we have the mental capacity to deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>Come get the lowdown.

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<v Speaker 1>This is your male and female perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Matt, where's your head at? Hello, and welcome. We

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<v Speaker 3>have a beautiful dating coach on the podcast today. Her

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<v Speaker 3>name is Mimi.

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<v Speaker 1>What Hello, Hi, welcome to where's your Head Up?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're excited to have you. Yeah, where's your head at?

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<v Speaker 2>My head at? My head my head up. My head's good,

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<v Speaker 2>my head feels very clear today. I'm very excited to

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<v Speaker 2>be here and just talk all things dating and relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>We've just been picking Mimi's brain, being like what about this?

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<v Speaker 3>What about that? She specializes in attachment styles, so we

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<v Speaker 3>are going to get so deep into attachment styles. You

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<v Speaker 3>guys are going to be so well versed on all

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<v Speaker 3>things anxious, attachments, secure and all of the other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there only the three or is there one more?

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<v Speaker 2>There's actually four. There's just organized attachment. It's just less

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of that heard that one either.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're excited to get into it. You must get

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<v Speaker 3>all of the tea. Being a relationship coach, you know

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<v Speaker 3>lots of everyone's relationships. What would you say is the

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<v Speaker 3>most surprising thing that you've learnt about love and connection

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<v Speaker 3>that most people maybe wouldn't expect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a good question. I think the thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>been most surprising for me on my own journey and

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<v Speaker 2>then seeing it come out in clients as well, is

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<v Speaker 2>that once you if you've been in a series of unhealthy,

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<v Speaker 2>your toxic relationships, and then you finally get into a secure,

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<v Speaker 2>healthy relationship. I used to think that that just means

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<v Speaker 2>it's all sunshine and rainbows and like you've met your

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<v Speaker 2>dream person and you have the happily ever after and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no more work. Like it's just what you see

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<v Speaker 2>in the Disney movies. And in Hollywood movies, and I

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<v Speaker 2>found that there's actually so much work that still needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be done when you're in those healthy relationships. It's

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<v Speaker 2>different sort of work. It's not as hard as the

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<v Speaker 2>toxic ones, but it's you know, there's still so much

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<v Speaker 2>that can come through that needs to be healed and

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<v Speaker 2>worked on. And I found that to be probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were talking before about how everyone should be

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<v Speaker 3>in therapy, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Match, Yeah, I agree, I think that, and you said

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<v Speaker 1>as well, you think relationships should be in therapy even

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<v Speaker 1>if they have nothing wrong with them. It's just good

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<v Speaker 1>to go to therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's just about setting yourself up for success.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the more you can understand yourself and the more

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<v Speaker 2>you can understand one another, the better off you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be when you come up against those inevitable roadblocks

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<v Speaker 2>down the line, because no relationship is perfect and you're

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<v Speaker 2>always going to come up against some sort of conflict

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<v Speaker 2>or issue. And I think if you understand each other

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<v Speaker 2>and also have the tools to learn how to navigate it,

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<v Speaker 2>like communication tools or you know, just understanding one another,

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<v Speaker 2>it just makes such a difference. So, yeah, it's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like just prevention is better than cure.

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<v Speaker 3>If there was one universal relationship rule that everyone should follow,

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<v Speaker 3>what would that rule be.

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<v Speaker 2>H It's kind of a classic and a cheesy one,

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<v Speaker 2>but my answer would be to treat other people the

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<v Speaker 2>way you want to be treated. So with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of my clients, they'll tell me about the type of

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<v Speaker 2>relationship they want, they have a partner that they want

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<v Speaker 2>to be with, and I always say that starts with you.

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<v Speaker 2>That starts with how your coming up in dating and relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, like let's say, in the dating world,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't want to be ghosted by other people,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be someone who goes to other people. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you want someone who's open with their communication, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be that person first. So just that classic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a cliche, but it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>I think communication is so big in relationships and being

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<v Speaker 3>able to communicate with your partner in a really healthy way, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>is so imperative. How can we communicate better in our relationships?

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<v Speaker 2>Such a good one. I think with communication, the key

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<v Speaker 2>is seek to understand. Seek to understand one another because

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<v Speaker 2>when we are communicating with our partner, there can be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ego involved, and we just want to

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<v Speaker 2>be right, and we want to be heard that we

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<v Speaker 2>we can get so focused on that that we forget

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<v Speaker 2>about trying to actually understand where the other person is

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<v Speaker 2>coming from. And if we don't understand, then it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to cause so many issues in the relationship. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you an example. Let's say you've got a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy and a girl, and the guy has a

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<v Speaker 2>habit of when they're out in public, always looking at

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<v Speaker 2>other women, like attractive women, and he's not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>in a pervy way. He's just you see someone hot,

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of look and he's just not aware of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman in the relationship has a history of being

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<v Speaker 2>cheated on, so she's got betrayal, her trust has been broken,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a really it's sensitive for her when she

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<v Speaker 2>sees him doing that. If they didn't have a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>where she could he could understand why it was so

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive for her, they might end up in a pattern

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<v Speaker 2>of her just like giving him the cold shoulder, stonewalling him,

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<v Speaker 2>getting pissed off being cold, and he's like, what's wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's, you know, kind of expecting him to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to read her mind, and then that would like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he's saying, well, you're just being controlling, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not, I don't mean anything by it. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even doing anything right. So that's where we're just clashing

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<v Speaker 2>heads and we're not a team anymore. But if he

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<v Speaker 2>was able to go deeper, I'm like, can you tell

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<v Speaker 2>me why this bothers you so much? Like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, And it created that safe space for her

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<v Speaker 2>to open up and say, Look, i was cheated on

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, and so I'm working to rebuild my

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<v Speaker 2>self esteem. And like, when I see you looking at

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<v Speaker 2>other women on the street, it doesn't it's hurting me.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't help me in this journey. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>communicating what you would need from him, And I guess

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<v Speaker 2>if you have an understanding, it just allows you to

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of drop your defenses and come around to

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<v Speaker 2>that other person have more empathy, like, oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that you'd been through that. Therefore it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you know it hurts you when I look at

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<v Speaker 2>other women. Thank you for telling me, Like, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>more conscious of that.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say to someone then that doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be vulnerable because they're scared of getting hurt but

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<v Speaker 1>they're going into a new relationship and to stop themselves

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<v Speaker 1>from getting hurt again, they have to be vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a bit of a cuts I think. Yeah. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>being vulnerable is never easy, but it is. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>prerequisite if you want a real, healthy relationship that has

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<v Speaker 2>depth to it. So I think it's about having to

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<v Speaker 2>be brave and take some steps to be vulnerable. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's also about who you're choosing to be vulnerable with, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to choose who that person is, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you're dating someone who anytime you mention emotions or anything

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<v Speaker 2>about how you feel, if that other person gets weird

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<v Speaker 2>or shuts you down or tells you you're being too

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<v Speaker 2>emotional too much, you're not going to feel safe to

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<v Speaker 2>open up and be vulnerable, are you. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know being vulnerable. It's best when you are

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<v Speaker 2>with someone who makes you feel safe to be vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a big part of it. Hold space

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like what you said before. When you argue and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about trying to be right with your partner. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard another analogy that if you win a real if

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<v Speaker 1>you win an argument, your relationship loses. Yeah, yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>should never win an argument with your partner.

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<v Speaker 3>Well because you guys are routine.

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<v Speaker 1>But which is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, let's pivot to dating in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's hard, right, It's so difficult, And I

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of friends who are single and they

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<v Speaker 3>tell me some horror stories, and we all have our

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<v Speaker 3>horror stories. But I feel like twenty twenty five has

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<v Speaker 3>just that little bit of extra spice with people being

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<v Speaker 3>very disposable because of dating apps. What is the best

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<v Speaker 3>way to meet someone? Would you say?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, you're right, it's difficult these days because

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many options and with the dating apps, says,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've got endless options in front of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is there a right way or a wrong way? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a best way? I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've personally had great experiences meeting people in real life

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<v Speaker 2>and also on the apps. Yes, So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just about so where your heads are you want to

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<v Speaker 2>start putting yourself out there to date. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>dating apps can be an amazing way to meet people,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we've heard lots of success stories of people on

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<v Speaker 2>the apps, but it's about the clearer you are on

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<v Speaker 2>what you're looking for and what your intentions are before

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<v Speaker 2>you even get yourself onto the apps, the better you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to set yourself up for success. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>are in your casual dating error, I don't want something serious,

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<v Speaker 2>be upfront about that on your dating profile and when

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking to people, or if you are looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a long term relationship, be upfront about that. I see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people they kind of tiptoe around that

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<v Speaker 2>because they think, oh, if I say I want a

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<v Speaker 2>long term relationship, people are going to be put off

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<v Speaker 2>by that and they're going to just but no, like

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<v Speaker 2>you need to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be well, if someone's put off by it, then they're

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<v Speaker 1>not the right person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, And like I always say, like, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want someone to fall in love with this fake persona

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<v Speaker 3>that you're putting on to impress them, Like you want

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<v Speaker 3>someone to fall in love with you, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the first first date.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're just sitting on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Go that far.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, like, yeah, this is means two months

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<v Speaker 1>from now for dating? Is that too early to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that stage? Though? These days, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>long do people show that these days?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it varies and just depends on the person.

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<v Speaker 2>Like some people are just going to be have no shame,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is who I am and it's there. They're

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<v Speaker 2>just like unapologetic about it. And other people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more self I wonder how.

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<v Speaker 1>Long I was with my wife when I would get

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<v Speaker 1>up and still brush my teeth in the morning and

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<v Speaker 1>she'd do the same before we'd like kiss that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't do that anymore. When that's when that stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it is cute, like when you look back

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<v Speaker 3>at those moments and you're like still trying to impress them,

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<v Speaker 3>like you like quickly get up and like put a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of like powder up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So people are often scared of dating. I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you think makes dating so scary for people?

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<v Speaker 2>Rejection? Yeah, yeah, fear of rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in this day and age, people the rate

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<v Speaker 2>of comparison and self esteem issues has never been bigger

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<v Speaker 2>because of social media, and I think there is a

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<v Speaker 2>very real fear that a lot of people, especially they've

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<v Speaker 2>come across in my line of work, just have this

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<v Speaker 2>core belief that they're not good enough, and so putting

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<v Speaker 2>yourself out there in dating situations. I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>sure fire way to be in the firing line for rejection.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I think people the more they avoid dating,

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger that fear gets. And so i'd say it's rejection.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd also say it's probably a fear of like your

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<v Speaker 2>worst fear coming true. So people think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so hard to meet anyone good, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to meet anyone nice. I'm going to be single forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they're projecting that fear, and then they go

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<v Speaker 2>out and they have, you know, five dates that have

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<v Speaker 2>sucked or they've failed, it's almost the fear of proving

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<v Speaker 2>that to be true, and so they just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I see a lot of people just not trying at

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<v Speaker 2>all because they're so scared.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've seen that too.

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<v Speaker 1>You coach them out of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, ye, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And how do you coach them that? For people listening,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're someone who's afraid to date, what can they do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're afraid to date, I mean, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, it's what do you what are you truly

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of? Because if we don't look at that like

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<v Speaker 2>under a microscope, often just it's just the anticipation and

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<v Speaker 2>the fear that feels so daunting that we just stop ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, what, really, what is the worst case?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like you go on a date nothing evolves

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<v Speaker 2>from it, or you go on a date like the

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<v Speaker 2>worst maybe the worst cases you get stood up or

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<v Speaker 2>something I don't know, and looking at that, it's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a ship but could you handle it,

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<v Speaker 2>Like do you reckon? You'd be okay, you'd come out

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<v Speaker 2>of that and likely it's like, yes, they would.

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<v Speaker 5>And laugh about it's a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, after a couple of months.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying all this stuff like I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 1>all that sort of stuff I just laugh about, Like

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<v Speaker 1>because imagine getting stood off. You'd be like it would hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine going and tell me.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be like you're a loser for standing Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I would imagine me calling you and being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I just stood off.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's funny. But it's also like a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a like.

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<v Speaker 1>I could in the ego, I can understand that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>my ego is not that fragile.

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<v Speaker 3>I always go into dating with this mindset that ninety

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<v Speaker 3>nine point nine percent of these dates aren't going to

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<v Speaker 3>work out, so I'm kind of doing it for the

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<v Speaker 3>story and for the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think that mindset shift really helped me

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<v Speaker 3>with dating because I was horrendous going on a first date,

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<v Speaker 3>like I would have before my first date with my husband.

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<v Speaker 3>I had three shots of tequila because I'm so nervous,

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<v Speaker 3>like just downing them with like a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>lemon in my apartment by myself, like freaking out, having

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<v Speaker 3>meltdowns like I don't want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't relate to that, Like I would never get

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<v Speaker 1>nervous for a first date.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, you're like one in a million. Then, because I can't,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's like one thing I do say

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<v Speaker 2>to people and I used to I try to use myself,

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<v Speaker 2>is just pretend you're going to meet a friend. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're just you don't think of it as a date.

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<v Speaker 2>Just think of it as like you're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to know someone. Because if you think about when

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to meet a friend, the energy is so different,

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<v Speaker 2>like there's no expectation, there's no concern, You're just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be yourself. You're just going to be curious about

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<v Speaker 2>your friend, like what's been going on, how you're going

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<v Speaker 2>And that just creates such a more authentic vibe and

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<v Speaker 2>energy that I think helps you to get out of

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<v Speaker 2>your head and just into the present moment so that

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually see do we connect? Like how do

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<v Speaker 2>I feel around this person? Is there a vibe? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just and you say like dropping the expectation.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you get to the point where you think

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<v Speaker 3>to yourself like I'm a good data like I've I've

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<v Speaker 3>nailed this, I've got this. Is it something when you've

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<v Speaker 3>clocked it and you've got married? It's about getting married.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's like like you you know you're actively

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<v Speaker 3>dating or like what's that mindset? What's going on within?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think to be a good data I think

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<v Speaker 2>I really think dating is a skill. So, like anything

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<v Speaker 2>any skill, you're going to get better at it the

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<v Speaker 2>more you do it. You're going to get more confident

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<v Speaker 2>in speaking about yourself in asking questions. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>so experience is one thing like practicing just putting yourself

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<v Speaker 2>out there, you know, getting the reps in, but then

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<v Speaker 2>also really knowing yourself and knowing what your patterns are,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what your history is. You just don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be going in blind, like on autopilot. Right, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you are someone who's never stopped to reflect on your

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<v Speaker 2>past relationships or dating experiences, and majority of them have

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<v Speaker 2>had issues and they've been bad. If you don't stop

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<v Speaker 2>and reflect, you're highly likely to just continue that pattern

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<v Speaker 2>and attract more of the same people. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what are your red flags you're looking out for,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your non negotiables, what are your green flags?

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<v Speaker 2>Are things that are positive for you? You just know

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<v Speaker 2>those things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be super super super deep detail,

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<v Speaker 2>but just having a bit of an idea, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to help you be a better data.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, I reckon. Yeah, I feel like there's been

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<v Speaker 3>lots of bad dates that I've been able to reflect on,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think by the end of like my dating

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<v Speaker 3>career shall we call it, I had like a list

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<v Speaker 3>of just like absolute nos. So like by the end

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<v Speaker 3>of dating, if someone did something that crossed my boundary,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like totally out, Like yeah, you just like

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<v Speaker 3>with your ex, I'm out, Whereas like at the start

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<v Speaker 3>of my dating career, I would be like, oh, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay, like we're not officially together and like that's fine,

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<v Speaker 3>or like they lied to me about something big, or

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, like what what am I going to

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<v Speaker 3>put up with? And what am I not? And I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that's where boundaries come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you let your boundaries slide early on with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>then they're going to be like, well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can keep crossing boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I keep getting away with it and getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Away with it, and you're not. You're already up to

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<v Speaker 1>a shit it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, what would you say, are some red flags

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<v Speaker 3>that you shouldn't ignore when it comes to dating?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, red flags you shouldn't ignore. The first one is

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<v Speaker 2>probably just compatibility. So depending on what you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>I see so many people they'll tell me they want

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship and then they meet someone who's like leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the country in two months or who has just broken

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<v Speaker 2>up with their X and like, yeah, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>really good connection. Like stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Chemistry and connection doesn't equal compatibility.

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<v Speaker 3>No. I don't know if it's because I'm pregnant, but

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<v Speaker 3>that like really just like so hard, Like say, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You hit it off with someone, you've got good chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like haha, laughing. It doesn't mean you're compatible because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Have the same values or you might have things that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't align the one for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so hopefully everyone else wasn't as slow as I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was chemistry because it doesn't you get.

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<v Speaker 2>It a great point to bring in. Yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 2>compatibility piece of like are you if you're not on

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<v Speaker 2>the same page about where you're at in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>emotional availability or lifestyle factors all that. Don't ignore that

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<v Speaker 2>and just think that, oh no, but like it'll work

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<v Speaker 2>out and things will just magically fall into place. It's

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that will happen, but you know, yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>high chance it won't. Or another red flag is just

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<v Speaker 2>if someone is really inconsistent and they're hot and cold

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<v Speaker 2>and they're saying one thing and they're doing another. So

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<v Speaker 2>if they're out of integrity and if you're noticing early

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<v Speaker 2>on that you're feeling a lot of anxiety because you're

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<v Speaker 2>not really sure what's going on, Like they're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>leaving you guessing a lot, major red flag, Like definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe in if they wanted to they would statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I think to a large degree, if they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>they would. Yes, Yeah, if you're genuinely interested in someone

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<v Speaker 2>and you want the connection to develop, like you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to make that happen. You're going you're not gonna tiptoe

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<v Speaker 2>around it. You know, it's going to be obvious. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if there's a lot of excuses being made,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of justification going on, that's a red flag.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, if it's you know, a healthy relationship

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<v Speaker 2>should be fairly easy and straightforward as the connection is developing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like you said, Matt, sometimes there's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be things in life that are with out of our

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<v Speaker 2>control and they're going to get in the way, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can't always make things happen. Like life isn't so

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<v Speaker 2>black and white, and there's got to be consideration. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just think the biggest thing is if it's becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a pattern, it's happening over and over again that someone

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<v Speaker 2>is yeah, they're not showing up for you, they're making excuses,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's happening more than a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>And twice is a pattern. Three times his character?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I like that my job.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like just throwing out.

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<v Speaker 2>You take my job, Matt. Look, if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>You have actually recently launched your own podcast, it's called

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<v Speaker 3>The Secure Love Club Congratulations, and you do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work in love languages and attachment styles. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that these are buzzwords or do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's actually some depth to knowing your attachment styles and

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<v Speaker 3>your love languages.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they definitely are very common now. People are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this all over TikTok, all over Instagram. Attachment styles.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a bit of a buzzword thing, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much depth to it, and it's such an important

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<v Speaker 2>component of relationships and how the different dynamics we experience

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<v Speaker 2>in relationships and how things play out. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>in a bit of a buzzword phase, but very important work.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the attachment styles go through them? Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're the guest.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so we have there's four attachment styles. Three are

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<v Speaker 2>more common commonly spoke about. So there's securely attached, which

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<v Speaker 2>is actually about fifty percent of the population. Then we

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<v Speaker 2>have the insecure attachment styles, so there's anxiously attached on

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<v Speaker 2>one end, and then avoidant attached on the other. And

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<v Speaker 2>then there's a fourth one called disorganized attachment, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a combination of anxious and avoidance, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're not like predominantly in one. You kind of flip

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<v Speaker 2>flop between the two quite intensely, but yet mostly the secure,

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<v Speaker 2>anxious and avoidant.

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<v Speaker 1>You said the fifty secure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, where the fuck are they married? Where the fuck

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<v Speaker 5>are whack it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Right? Would you mind sharing what you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely? I am securely attached previous anxiously attached girl and.

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<v Speaker 1>You worked through that to get too secure? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a partner that helped you get there?

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<v Speaker 2>Or I did have a partner who helped me there?

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<v Speaker 2>So I started my journey of going from anxious to

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<v Speaker 2>secure in twenty twenty. So I went through quite a

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<v Speaker 2>significant breakup with a partner who was heavily avoidant. I

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<v Speaker 2>was heavily anxious, the dream combination, And once that relationship

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<v Speaker 2>broke down, I sort of looked back over all of

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<v Speaker 2>my past relationships and I just had this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>moment where I thought, why the fuck does this keep happening? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why are relationship so hard? It shouldn't have to be

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<v Speaker 2>like this. And I would look around at other couples

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<v Speaker 2>who were happy and seemed to be in a healthy

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<v Speaker 2>relationship and that's when I kind of realized I'm the

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<v Speaker 2>common denominator here amongst all of these, so I need

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<v Speaker 2>to figure some shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Out great self awareness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you knowing that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's when I and my sister, actually my elder

0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 2>sister had been getting me, telling me to read this

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 2>book called Attached by Emir Levine for a good couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years, and I kept pushing it away, pushing it

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<v Speaker 2>away because like, I don't need it, don't need it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think you're not ready to you're ready

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<v Speaker 2>to actually confront this stuff. And went through this breakup

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.439
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, read this damn book. It's like fine.

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<v Speaker 2>So I took it and just absolutely inhaled it. Like

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.680
<v Speaker 2>it was as though for the first time in my life,

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this blindfold was being lifted, and I finally understood myself

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.440
<v Speaker 2>and why I attracted certain types of people in relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>why I was always so anxious, always feeling like I

0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:24.760
<v Speaker 2>was too much. And that's when the healing journey started.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's when I was just you know, delving into

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<v Speaker 2>the topic researching. I hired a coach of my own

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<v Speaker 2>to help me work through it, and did a lot

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.880
<v Speaker 2>of work for about a year. I it was intentionally

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>single for a year to work on my relationship with myself. Great, yeah,

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>which I think is very important, And then ended up

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>attracting a beautiful guy, secure man and we got into

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship. And that sort of comes back to what

0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I said earlier about I was surprised at how much

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.679
<v Speaker 2>should have needed to be worked through coming into a

0:23:55.680 --> 0:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>secure relationship, because as those who are anxiously attachable, when

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:04.360
<v Speaker 2>you're dating people who are avoidant or emotionally unavailable, there's

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of chaos. There's a lot of up and down.

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 2>It's very tumultuous. And when you get into a secure

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>with a secure partner, in that relationship, it's so stable

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:20.120
<v Speaker 2>and predictable and they're just they're there, and for your

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 2>nervous system, when you're not wired for that stability, it's

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>very jarring and you almost want to create chaos where

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 2>there is none. I found myself wanting to do that,

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 2>like create fights or create drama out of nothing, because

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, is this what a healthy relationship is?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>It's boring almost, right, So there's an adjustment period with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So it sounds like having an anxious partner and

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 3>an avoidant partner is not what we want to have

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<v Speaker 3>in a relationship. But of course there's probably people out

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 3>there listening who are an avoidant and an anxious attachment person.

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<v Speaker 3>How can they strengthen their relationship If you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have someone who's anxious and avoidant and there's real love there,

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 2>but you're really struggling to understand each other, I would say,

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>if you want the relationship to work, you both have

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to want to work at it. Yeah, So that means

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 2>understanding your history, right, because our attachment styles are predominantly

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 2>formed in our early childhood. So understanding what was your

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.239
<v Speaker 2>relationship like with your parents? What was it when you

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 2>were emotional and like you said, you had that bid

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>for connection with your parent or you tried to express it.

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Were they there for you consistently? Did they shut you down?

0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Did you your parents go through a divorce? Like, all

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 2>of these things are contributing to how you're showing up

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<v Speaker 2>in your romantic relationships as an adult. So the better

0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>you can understand that as individuals, the more you're going

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>to be able to understand what's going on for the

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 2>other person and you can work with each other to

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<v Speaker 2>try to become more secure in the relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>In some ways is an anxious and an anxious attachment

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<v Speaker 3>to get good because then they're just yeah, I don't

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 3>know if i'd say each other, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not commonly no, no, the yeah, an anxious and

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>anxious might just be really codependent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay, I can say that. Yeah, that's what

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Connect.

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.959
<v Speaker 1>That's not good to be codependent on your partner.

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>That's you want to be more like interdependent. So you

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>want to be It means that you are happy and

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.919
<v Speaker 2>comfortable being independent so you can live your life outside

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 2>of the relationship. You have friends, Like, you're happy doing

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>your own thing, but you're also comfortable leaning on your

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.679
<v Speaker 2>partner for support and also giving your partner support. So

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>you understand it's natural for you to to want to

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>lean on one another and that doesn't scare you away

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>or anything. It's fine. But if your partner wants to

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>go out for the night with their friends, you're like,

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>no worries, Like, you're happy doing your.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing, so like a healthy version of that. You want

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<v Speaker 3>to we want to keep it healthy. What about avoidant

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and avoidant do they ever get together?

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they can.

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Their arguments. Just imagine the rug would be like this

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>because they swept everything under the ru.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, exactly. Yeah, the problem. The problem with those relationships

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 2>is that there's really not a lot of communication going

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 2>on about what they're feeling. And I think people who

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 2>are avoidant can really struggle to even identify what they're

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>feeling because they're so used to pushing their emotions down

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and suppressing them because they don't know how to actually

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 2>manage their emotions when they come up. So if you

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>have two people who are doing that, it might seem

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:38.880
<v Speaker 2>like on paper, on surface level, that things are fine,

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.199
<v Speaker 2>things are chill, because there's not really any arguments going on.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>But what would happen over time is I think both

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>people in that relationship would feel very isolated. Most likely

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>they're just really comfortable in that dynamic and they just

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 2>want to stay like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a relationship with two secure people.

0:27:59.119 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>What does that look like?

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what does that look like?

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 2>That looks like two people who know themselves, two people

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>who want the relationship to work, who are comfortable holding

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 2>space for each other's emotions, who are in integrity, so

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>they say they do what they say they're going to do.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>They hold space for their partner. So if their partner

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>is experiencing something. They're feeling anxious, they're feeling upset. It's

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, yet, like we said earlier, they're not put

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 2>off by that. They're able to just be there for

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>their partner and give them support and just understand what

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 2>they're going through. And you work together as a team,

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know that when you're vulnerable together, it actually

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>makes you stronger, it doesn't push you apart.

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Before we move on, we need to touch on disorganized because

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of the disorganized attachment style. Can you

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 3>take us through what that means?

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So I guess if we look at anxious and

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>avoidant for context, So someone who's anxiously attached in a

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>relationship is typically seeking a lot of external validation. They

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>need a lot of reassurance in the relationship that everything's okay,

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's their coping mechanism, so they'll turn to their

0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>partner to sue their anxieties. Someone who's avoidant needs the opposite.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>So when they're stressed or there's conflict going on, they

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>typically want space and they push away like I just

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>need to deal with this on my own, Give me space.

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Someone who's disorganized is going to be a sort of

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 2>erratic blend of the two. So there's an argument, there's conflict,

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and the disorganized attachment person sort of doesn't know what

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>they want, Like they might try to get really close

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.239
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden they're like no, no, no,

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and they push away and they stone wall their partner

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they come crawling back really quickly. So they're

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>sort of all over the place and very disregulated. And Yeah, what.

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Would form someone to do that? What traumas or how

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>would their primary caretaker have done that to them? What

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of triggers.

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>That Typically it's people who have this attachment style have

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>been through a very traumatic childhood. Yeah, so if we

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about things like big T trauma, so that's when

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 2>there might have been physical or emotional abuse in the family,

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.959
<v Speaker 2>are really really difficult divorce, being abandoned, so just being

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 2>left by your parents really big T trauma. Things like

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:14.719
<v Speaker 2>that would probably cause it.

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's talk a little bit about love languages. What

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 3>are the love languages?

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Love languages we have physical touch, words of affirmation, acts

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 2>of service quality type yes, yes?

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 3>And do we need to have the same love languages

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>as our partner? Could this be a deal breaker? In relationships,

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 3>talk us through that.

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to have the same ones. I think

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>it's helpful if you do, right, because if you have

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>someone who let's say you have one person in the relationship,

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>they experience love through words of affirmation and then their

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>partner the way they express love is through gift giving,

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>right that, And I can give you as many gifts

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>as you would ever dream of. But because that's not

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 2>your love language. The way you receive love, it doesn't

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>mean anything to.

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>You receive it and give it in two different ways.

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Can you receive it and give it in two different ways?

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>So, like I receive love through affection and words of validation,

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but I give it through physical touch and quality time.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>But I guess I feel that's how.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 5>I feel personally about your experience, and I feel like

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 5>I'll take it through physical touch as well.

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll take it through.

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I'll take them all.

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not. I'm not big on gift giving both ways.

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I get uncomfortable getting gifts, and I don't really enjoy

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>giving gifts. Like I feel uncomfortable as well. I'm like, like,

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>do you like it? Don't give flowers or notes or

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>something like that. But am I going to go out

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>of my way to get like a gift like partners

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>that you know buy me like stuff and I'm just

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>like like five and doll stuff and I'm just like.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know now, Yeah, yeah, I think in my experience,

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 2>how you receive love is probably mostly how you'd give it, right,

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 2>because you're kind of giving like what you maybe hope

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to get back. But I think it varies. The most

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>important thing is understanding how your partner receives love. So

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>if you know that they feel the most love from

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you when you tell them how you feel, rather than

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>just showing them through acts, then that's an opportunity for

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you to Okay, I know that means a lot to her.

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>I know that means a lot to him, So I

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>can make a conscious effort to do that so that

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.959
<v Speaker 2>they feel loved. Yeah, right, So it's just understanding your

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>partner and what they need.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>You love, acts of service.

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I think I love them all. I think I'm the.

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 5>All touch acts, gifts, gifts.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Physically I think like it, Like you know, like gifts

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 3>for like a special occasion is how I would receive love.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Would accent service and gifts? I don't, I don't.

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. I would rather my loved ones or

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>to give me, like a really heartfelt card words to me.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, give me that any day over a random present,

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's how I give it. So I despise buying

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>gifts of people for their birthdays because I just I

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>hate doing it. I enjoy it what to get people.

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 2>But I will write you the nicest card. You'll be

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>in tears just.

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>The same thing. Yeah, I mean, if I seek something

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that I clearly know they want, I'll get it.

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 3>But like, imagine someone you're in bed on a Saturday

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 3>morning and then your partner goes out and gets your

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 3>fresh coffee.

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Service. Everyone loves that.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 3>I love that. That's like hitting the spot.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>From I think I'd appreciate it. I'd really appreciate it,

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>like how good is the coffee?

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 3>But like, so you do like service?

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>No, No, I wouldn't be like, oh my god. I

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>would have been, oh my god, they're in love with me.

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Like say, for instance, we rocked up to the studio

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and you guys had me a coffee. I would have

0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, they're the coin, Like.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, So what would make you feel? Like? Really thought of.

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Physical physical touch probably as well as words, but just

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 1>quality time, knowing like I like to hang out quality

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and just to hang out quality time.

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Being in the same space together.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I've heard. So obviously, if we have all of our

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 3>preferences and then because they're our preferences, we kind of

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 3>do that in return to our partner. But if we

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 3>don't know them well, like, for instance, Matt would not

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 3>find getting a coffee potentially like you like it, but.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not your for instance, be my partner will go

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to one of us will go to the gym in

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>the morning, and the otherum will bring a coffee back

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to the other person. But to me, that's just not

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>an active So.

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 3>That's just Yeah, So what I'm saying is is I

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.240
<v Speaker 3>think that I've I saw something that said that people

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 3>go wrong in relationships when they give someone what they

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 3>want as opposed to knowing what your partner needs or wants.

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, because yeah, like we said before, if you're

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>if you like I love buying gifts of people, like

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to shower my partner with gifts because

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 2>it makes me feel so good And if I buy

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>you gifts, it means I love you, right, And so

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>you're doing that you have the best of intentions. But again,

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>if your partner, if what really means the most of

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 2>them is hearing you say how much they mean to you,

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like hearing you say how much they love you. Then

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>the gift giving it might be like, oh, that's really nice,

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's not like it's not giving.

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, let's pivot back to relationships.

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 3>We hear the word I was in a toxic relationship

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 3>very often, specifically in modern day dating. Do you think

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 3>that relationships are getting worse or are we just getting

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.840
<v Speaker 3>more switched on and klue about what we want to

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 3>accept and what we.

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Don't setting our standards higher boundaries.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I would say almost yes and no. I think on

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the one hand, we are getting we are more aware,

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's less taboo to talk about our emotional experiences

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in relationships these days. So you know, in the past,

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, for our parents and generations before them, it

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 2>was very common to not talk about your emotions, and

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, you just if you get sad, you like,

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 2>come on, just get on with it, like let's get

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>on with the day, and you suppress your emotions, and

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>that was sort of the norm. So I would say

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.920
<v Speaker 2>there was probably a lot of toxic relationships or unhealthy

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>dynamics in the past. It just wasn't spoken about. Yeah,

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's on the one hand, But on the other

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I do think that, like we mentioned earlier, with the

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>with dating apps and with social media, and with the

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>perceived amount of availability or what you can have in

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a person, I think there's a lot of sort of

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 2>disposing of people. As soon as you experience one thing

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>you don't like, or there's one thing that makes you uncomfortable,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, well, onto the next you mustn't be

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 2>for me. So there's a lack of perseverance in getting

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to know the person and building the found like a

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>strong foundation.

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 5>That makes sense, Yeah, yeah.

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that people stay in toxic relationships longer

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 3>than they should?

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Mostly?

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And how can they not do that?

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's it's the nature of a toxic relationship is

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>what makes you stay. So when we're in there's a

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 2>relationship where let's say there's a highly anxious, highly avoidant,

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>we could say that's toxic, and what's actually going on

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 2>is there's a real like chemical addiction that's happening in

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the body. So for someone who's anxious when there's a conflict,

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you'll get this spike in cortisols. It's like the stress

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 2>hormone and adrenaline in your body. You're freaking out, Your

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>nervous system is all over the place, and you are

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>so desperate to get that person's connection to come back

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 2>to you and to get their love. When you finally

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 2>do get it, you get this huge flood of dopamine

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and oxytosein like the love hormone. So that spiral like

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that's up and down is really addictive. It's been said

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to be the same as like a heroin addiction, like

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>really high highs, really low lows. So it's not that

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 2>people are just weak or have like not enough willpower

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to leave a toxic relationship. It's like you're literally addicted

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to the cycle. So yeah, a lot of people stay

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 2>in them longer than they should. But I think it's

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 2>because they just they don't know any better. Yeah, they

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 2>just think that this is what relationships are, this is

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>what's normal. Like I can figure it out, and there's

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 2>a thing called forget the term. But it's like when

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you are let's say, as a child, your parents were

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>very emotionally unavailable, so you never knew, like if they

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 2>were going to be there for you when you needed

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>them to emotionally. And so as an adult, you have

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 2>this subconscious drive to want to like win the game,

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.919
<v Speaker 2>to almost master it. So you keep attracting people who

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 2>are emotionally unavailable because you think, if I just try

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>hard enough, if I just do enough, I'll crack it

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and I'll win them over. So there's this, Yeah, a

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of it is driven subconsciously.

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, speaking of toxic relationships, we need to touch

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 3>on setting boundaries. I feel like as a society we

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 3>have gotten so much better at setting boundaries in workspaces

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 3>with friends, but I feel like in relationships sometimes people

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>still really struggle. Why do you think that is.

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 2>The biggest reason is that you there's a fear of abandonment.

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>So you think if I set a boundary, it's just

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>going to push my partner away and I'm going to

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:46.399
<v Speaker 2>lose love. So you don't set boundaries. You just let

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>people take whatever they want from you, cross your boundaries.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Because Yeah, I think for a lot of people, the

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>fear of losing their partner just outweighs the desire to

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 2>create like a healthy, respectful relationship.

0:39:57.800 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but then I guess would we say to those

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 3>peop people, if you don't set the boundaries early on,

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 3>then you're not with someone who respects and cares about you.

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yes, And I think it comes with really learning

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 2>how to set boundaries in your life, even before a

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:17.319
<v Speaker 2>relationship or outside a relationship. Yeah, and with yourself. I

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 2>always say that you teach people how to treat you

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>by the way you treat yourself. So if you uphold

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>boundaries that protect your time, protect your energy, and you

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>really maintain them, then people are naturally going to see

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 2>that in you. They're going to say, Okay, this is

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>someone who takes herself seriously, who doesn't fuck around, So

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I need to make sure i'm like rising to meet

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 2>that I need to respect her boundaries. So a boundary,

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>instead of looking at as looking at it as something

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that pushes people away, you're actually if you set boundaries

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 2>to the people, it's sort of an act of love

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>because you're telling people I care about you, I want

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>you in my life. So if you want to be

0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.359
<v Speaker 2>in my life, this is how to do it, Like

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:58.880
<v Speaker 2>this is how to love me, this is how to

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>be around me. As long as you protect these like

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.959
<v Speaker 2>we're good, and I'm going to give you the best

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 2>of me because my energy and time are going to

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:06.760
<v Speaker 2>be protected.

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. Let's just say you're in a relationship and

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 3>you haven't set good boundaries and you realize, maybe a

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 3>little bit too late, that fuck, I need to actually

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 3>start setting boundaries and following through with them. Can you

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 3>still do that or does it need to happen from

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 3>the start.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 2>No, I'd say it's never too late. Okay, it's never

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 2>too late to set a boundary. Yeah. And as something

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 2>that is very common that can happen is when you

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>start setting boundaries, you'll notice some people in your life

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 2>will really hate it because they might lose certain access

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>to you. They can't just have you at their disposal

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>whenever they want. And if there's a big uproar when

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>you do set a boundary, it's probably a sign that

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 2>it was really needed. Yeah, So it's not too late,

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think no one's perfect and it can

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>take time to realize like, oh, I'm actually feeling really

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking depleted in this relationship. Why It's because I don't

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>have boundaries here, here, and here. So you know, hopefully

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you're with someone who is open to always open to

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 2>growing in the relationship, and it's just about having that conversation,

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.440
<v Speaker 2>setting the boundary, and then the biggest part is following

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 2>through and maintaining it. Like you said earlier, Matt, if

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't maintain the boundary, people will see that and

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>they will test you whether it's weakness. Yeah, And a

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>lot of the time it's not that it's malicious or

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:28.239
<v Speaker 2>it's intentional. It's just that people will naturally want to

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 2>be selfish and get what they can from someone that

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>they love. So if you're letting people across your boundaries, like,

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that's on you as well.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely, Obviously. I know that a lot of people

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 3>fall into the people pleaser category and you don't want

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>to put boundaries down even with friends, because you feel

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 3>like you could come across as rude or cold. What

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 3>would you say to those people, I.

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Would say that if you're you know, the most important

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>relationship you have is the one you have with yourself.

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And if you are overgiving just to make everyone else happy,

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 2>like you only have so much energy you can give

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to reach a point of burnout, you're

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 2>not going to be happy. Yeah, So if you can

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>take care of yourself, like that's when you get to

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>give people the best of you, not the rest of you.

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>You're not just pouring from an empty cup. So don't

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 2>be afraid to take care of yourself and set boundaries.

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's a great way to find out who your

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 2>real people are, like the friends of your real friends,

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and also in a romantic relationship, because people who truly

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>love you and want to be around you will respect

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 2>your boundaries. Yeah, so I.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't agree more for it. Should we finish with a

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 3>thumb one?

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What is the most ridiculous piece of dating advice

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.320
<v Speaker 1>or a relationship advice that you've been given or received

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>that works? Yeah, but we don't want to give people

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff that doesn't work.

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>You could say dates.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually you said this earlier and one time, so years ago,

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>when I was very anxious on dates, a friend of

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 2>mine said, you just need to show up like you're

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.919
<v Speaker 2>the prize. And at first was like, what do you mean?

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Like that sounds so conceited. I don't want to walk

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:13.799
<v Speaker 2>in there thinking I'm like hot shit, I don't want

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to you know, have this huge ego, And she's like, no,

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not about that, It's just about flipping your focus

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>when you're on the dates. So rather than going in

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and being really self conscious wondering like am I good

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 2>enough for this person? They like me? And my pretty enough?

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Am my interesting enough? Whatever? To flip the focus and

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>ending like you're the prize so that you can look

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 2>at this person and say, well, are they good enough

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 2>for me?

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what we say on that Yes, are they.

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Aligned with what I want? You know, do they have

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the qualities I'm looking for? And it's not to say

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 2>that you're better than anyone, it's just to you know,

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>you're the prize, like boost your esteem a little bit

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.319
<v Speaker 2>and just see if other people are good enough for you,

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 2>And it definitely works.

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Mamie, thank you so much. This has been amazing. We've

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 3>learned so much. I hope this has been super helpful

0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.359
<v Speaker 3>for you guys, and make sure you go check out

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Mami's podcast and next time.

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Bye bye, thank you, thank you for coming.

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:07.799
<v Speaker 3>One mm hmm