WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 13 June 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.160 From the Sky News Center. 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.240 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 Good evening, and welcome to the program. You're watching Paul 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.440 Murray Live. I'm James Morrow here sitting in for the 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.880 Great Man from the Man Cave. And guess what it is, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.120 All killer, no filler tonight, and we are gonna have 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.520 tons of fun and get stuck into tons of controversy 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:28.520 with some of your absolute favorites tonight. But before we 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:33.640 get to our all star panels, look, is it just 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.360 me or does Peter Dutton seem to have really struck 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:42.080 a nerve here with this whole nuclear power option and saying, 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.640 you know, twenty thirty, that's a bit too soon to 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.519 be doing what Labor's talking about. I mean when I 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.720 watch the reaction to what the opposition is saying these days, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.320 namely that there's no way that we are going to 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.639 hit our twenty thirty carbon reduction targets without causing massive 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.760 pain in the economy, and that if we have a 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.280 hope in hell of getting the next zero by twenty fifty, 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.360 well nuclear is going to have to be part of 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.200 the mix. I think they are worried. I think they're 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.000 worried that the jig is up and that the more 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.039 people here Dutton say what I think are actually some 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.000 pretty sensible and non controversial truth, the more support will 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.280 bleed away from a Labor party that is already in 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:31.840 need of a serious transfusion of primary votes. Here's a 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.440 little bit of what mister Dunt had to say this 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.759 morning to two GB's Ray Hadley about the continuing hikes 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.919 and energy prices as we put more of what Labor 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:45.360 keeps insisting is the cheapest form of energy into the grid, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.400 and about reports by this station's own Sherry Markson that 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.800 Labor has even more extreme targets planned for as soon 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.640 as twenty thirty five. Have a listen. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.560 Well, I just can't believe how I just connected that 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.960 from people are at the moment, in their own paying 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.680 budgets and in their own small business budget, people can't 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.360 afford another twenty or thirty percent increase in their electricity process. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.760 We already pay the highest prices. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.480 In the world, and now they're talking about the sixty 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.120 five to seventy five percent target by twenty thirty five. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.000 I haven't said any of the economic model, and I 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.200 don't think the Prime Minister has on there, so it 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.840 needs to be transparent and honest with the Australian public 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.720 about what does it mean and particularly if the economy 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:29.639 goes into recession. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.600 Well, indeed, yet remarks like this and a growing concern 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.640 about this whole scheme whereby a bunch of renewables investors 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.280 get rich while the rest of us are left with 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.119 more expensive electricity, the threat of brownouts and oh so 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:51.560 called smart meters that allow power companies to dial down 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.000 your AC when there's not enough renewable electricity in the 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:59.160 grid coincidentally on days when some months from now you're 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:03.280 most likely to eat it. Well, they've got labor and 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.560 the renewable energy types in it. Tis that's why they 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.000 spun Peter Dunn's energy policy as a threat to get 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.120 out of the Paris Agreement on Climate, to frighten the 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.880 horses and get all the teal seats worked up. Here's 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.600 what a Legraspender had to say about nuclear and the 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.360 threat of getting out of Paris. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.160 There are other things that we should be doing right 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.920 now that are really about helping Australian households, but it 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.160 is not the answer is not to stop the transition, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:39.040 because the cheapest form of new energy is renewable energy. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.480 So if you're trying to hold people, help people with 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.120 their power bills, it's not to commit to nuclear because 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.600 we know that is the most expensive form of energy 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.680 and will be the most expensive form of energy going forward. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.440 Well, that's not true about renewables being the cheapest form, 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.160 and we've got to talk about that in a little bit. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:01.080 But it is also pretty hilarious when people fret about 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.960 Australia getting under the Paris Agreement, given that seventy percent 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.360 of the electricity in Paris, home of the Paris Accords, 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.960 and indeed all of France comes from nuclear energy, and 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.920 the French, who want to retain manufacturing and jobs and prosperity, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:23.080 have just committed to building eight more reactors. Anyway, what 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.279 are the French known? Nuclear? Maybe expensive Vispender, But how's 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.840 that snow a hydra working out for you? I know? Right? 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.919 And also here's what Chris Bowen, Energy Minister had to 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:34.720 say the other day. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.159 And of course it's not just about the Pacific. You 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.240 look at what's happening in our region. You look at 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:45.479 the partnerships in Australia as engaging with with United States, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.320 as climate and Energy, as the third pillar of our alliance. 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.600 You look at what we're doing with Germany on green hydrogen. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.920 Peter Dutton would be a wrecking ball, a risky wrecking 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.040 ball when it comes to our foreign policy. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.360 You can see this air campaign coming. You know, it's 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.400 not just the energy builds, not just as the climate. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:09.000 It's a foreign policy thing now too. It's all really 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.599 really cynical. And Simon Benson at the OHS belled the 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.920 cat on this today and said this is all about 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.480 a potential early election, maybe as soon as hold onto 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:26.840 your hats September fourteen, writes Benson. Quote the coalition would 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.080 be caught off guard and Albanesi could seek a mandate 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.440 on renewables over nuclear with the accompanying scare campaign of 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.520 mushroom clouds and three headed fish, and make it about 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.520 anything other than the economy un quote, well as you 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.640 would want to. Oh, and then there's this. If you 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.719 needed any more proof that the renewables mob, labor and 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.080 the teals and everybody who is lining their pockets with 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.480 the billions in subsidies being chucked at the transition are nervous. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:04.080 Check this out. A story about none other than Simon Holmes, 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:08.120 a court and an apparent silencing of a nuclear advocate 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.160 an engineer at his behest. Just a little while ago, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.120 John Keiho at The Australian Financial Review reported that a 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.560 nuclear energy scientist said that he is a victim of 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:25.320 cancel culture after the nation's peak Engineering Professional group called 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.920 off his scheduled pro nuclear speech following pressure from billionaire 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:35.440 renewable energy advocate Simon Holmes. A Court engineer and nuclear 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.720 energy advocate Rob Parker was due to present to more 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.240 than four hundred people registered for an Engineer's Australia webinar 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.200 on Wednesday on Wednesday night in a scheduled address titled 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.480 avoiding an Energy Blunder down Under. But just twenty four 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.560 hours before the talk, mister Holmes the Court slammed Engineer 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:02.160 Australia on social media for hosting mister Parker. Holmes Court tweeted, Seriously, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.679 Engineers Australia, you're hosting an anti renewables event for nuclear 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.120 for climate. He posted on x I would have thought 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:15.040 your body was dedicated to improving understanding, not muddying the waters. Well. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.720 Ko's report continued quote minutes after his social media post 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.960 that Simon Holmes Court's post on Tuesday, the engineer's Australia 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:29.240 X profile responded, thanks, Simon, this event has been pulled. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.840 This does not meet our guidelines and we are investigating 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:41.400 how it was scheduled. Unquote Seriously, Simon, what are you 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.760 afraid of? Well, if you ask me, there's a lot 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.640 he and all the others in that renewable anti nuclear 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.240 mob should be afraid of. My read on this is 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.680 that nuclear power is going to be the next voice debate. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.560 Remember how that went. On the one side, you had 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:04.040 all the elites, the teals, the c suites of all 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.520 the major ASX companies urging a yes vote and telling 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:11.520 the great unwashed they were dumb and ignorant and didn't 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.040 know what they were talking about. And then you had 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.600 that great and washed that said, well, how's this song 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.080 gonna help me? And how is this not going to 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.360 make the country worse off? While a bunch of virtue 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.720 signalers feel good about themselves, increase their power and in 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:32.800 some cases line their pockets. See the parallels. When the 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.319 debate started, the yes vote was well ahead in the polls, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.000 and in the end, though the referendum failed something like 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.200 sixty forty very similar energy here. I think with nuclear 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.920 versus all these renewables, all the big end of town 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.600 types who talk climate and investing in things with guaranteed 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.240 government returns and who don't care if it costs war 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.440 to heat the pool. Everyone else, of course they say 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.840 not so much. By the way, John Keho it should 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.439 be at the AFR has also written an excellent dissection 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.679 of those claims by the CSIRO and their gen cost 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.680 report that nuclear is the most expensive form of energy, noting, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.600 among other things, CSIRO's analysis claim that nuclear power plants 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.320 last only thirty years when more than eighty years is 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.360 the norm, That the CSIRO alleged that nuclear plants only 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.800 run it between fifty three and eighty nine percent capacity, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.120 when in fact they generally run it over ninety percent, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.760 And that the CSIRO bizarrely assumes cold is more expensive 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:40.240 than renewables. But remember CSRO, they're scientists, not economists, so 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.680 when it comes to gen cost, probably not the best 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.960 people for the job. But in the end does any 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:53.120 of this matter? I mean, look at this chart global 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.400 annual CO two emissions over time. There you see the 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.560 world up top, and then China lower down powering ahead. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.480 Then there's the US tailing off a bit but still 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.280 big in India's on the rise, and then all the 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:11.080 way down at the bottom, Little Lord Australia with nuclear 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.160 powered France two or three times population by the way, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.000 taking up the rear. Big question I have then is 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.600 why are we putting ourselves through this? Now? I've got 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.559 a lot to talk about today. Let's bring in Keith 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.040 Pitt from the Nationals and my Sky News colleague, Senior 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.880 porter Caroline Marcus. Welcome both of you to the panel 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.040 to night, guys. Let's start with Anthony Albinezi and Peter 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.120 Dunton's war of words this week over Australia's twenty thirty 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.920 climate target. The Prime Minister spoke yesterday and refused to 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.200 commit to Australia's twenty thirty five target before the next 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.040 election when he was pressed by reporters, have a look. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:59.040 You, I'm guaranteeing the twenty thirty target that we have legislided, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.040 as well as and zero by twenty fifty. What we're 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:07.079 concentrating on is delivering forty three percent by twenty thirty 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.840 and we've got a mechanism to get there. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.360 Well, guys. Albert has insisted that all the pastoring this 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.760 week of the climate targan will have no bearing on 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.079 an early election and whether that be called, but two 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.480 dates have been tossed up by some liberal and peace 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.520 including September fourteenth and December seventh. Keith Pitt, let's go 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.160 to you first. Do you think the Prime Minister is 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.120 setting us up for an early election? 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.520 It's the golden rule of politics. You go when you 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.719 can win. And I'm confident that this Prime Minutes is 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.080 not like every Prime Minutes the before, and. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:40.920 We'll go when he thinks the best opportunity is for 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.640 Labor to win government again. And I think that will 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.520 come down to a couple of things, mostly around the economy, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.200 whether interest rates have come off, whether inflation is back 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.679 in target, and of course if they want to have 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.679 a big fight around nuclear. Our issue will be one 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.800 of time, because this is a difficult policy to educate 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.520 people on. We need to be in the field, and 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.120 the earlier that the Prime Minister goes at, the better 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.640 Labor's chances, would be my view. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.280 And Caroline, you know, there's all these stories out today 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.840 that show that there's a necessity of getting some nuclear 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.440 into the grid. We saw France eight new reactors, new 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.200 Zealand is now having a blackout problem. Warning you know, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.720 after just into our durn Do you think that Keith 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.680 sends a big education piece here, will Australians ultimately back 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.000 in Dutton on this scheme? 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:28.240 Well? 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.640 I think Australians will ultimately back in whoever they think 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:37.240 can deliver energy affordability and long term security, and that 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.600 if they can be educated on it, which I think 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.000 they will need to be because there has been such 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.839 a scare campaign around nuclear energy for such long time, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.000 then I absolutely think that this could be a winner 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.080 for the coalition. As the reports that I have pointed out, 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.400 every time Liberals take a similar stance to Labor on 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:02.719 energy promising equal meeting the same kinds of targets the 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.760 Labor has put forward, they don't do well at an election. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.120 So only when they really take the fight up to 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.080 them in recent years, as we've seen with Tony Abbott 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:17.000 and Scott Morrison in twenty nineteen, that they've actually succeeded. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.160 And I think ultimately people can say the right things 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.199 when they asked in surveys if they care about climate change, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.080 and some people really genuinely do want to see better 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.000 emissions levels for the country. But people mainly care about 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.520 their hip pocket and that's what recent polls have shown. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.480 So if he can pick, if he can back energy 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.360 that's going to be more affordable in the long run 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.400 for people, we can and they can convince people of 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.360 that that. I absolutely think he's onto a winner. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.440 Well, Keith, I mean the old rule of politics is, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.840 of course, you know, it's the economy stupid. And Keith, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.400 I want to just come to you one more question 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.320 on this topic because it is fascinating to me. Caroline 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.360 points out this whole idea of points of difference between 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.200 the coalition and Labor going into an election. I spoke 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.520 a moment ago about the parallels I see between the 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.720 Voice campaign and how that worked out for the Liberals 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.600 and the No side going up against a very similar 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.560 coalition of people that are all in favor of renewables. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.240 Is there a parallel here, Keith Pitt, with the way 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.680 the No case was prosecuted from a point where everybody said, oh, 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.920 there's no way that's going to get up, because you know, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.600 all the received wisdom says yes, it's a smart way 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.920 to go. Is there a parallel here with renewables versus nuclear? 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.000 Well, you have to form a contest otherwise the voter 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.720 sprays all over the place. If there's no differential between 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.600 the major parties, well why vote for one side or 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.960 the other. It's like Barnaby said the last election where 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.080 sign whre on them and they signed it's our turn. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.560 And I don't think that went well for anybody. The 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:55.920 primaries were very, very low. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.840 But there is one other big issue in place, and 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.880 I don't think people are really identifying just how bad 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:03.160 it is. 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.520 Like out in the real world. People are really really struggling. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.840 I've never seen anything like this. It is incredibly difficult. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.880 They can't pay their rates bill, they can't pay their rent, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.240 they can't pay their mortgage, they're flat buying food, they 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.680 spend all of their savings. And this is the everyday 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.800 Australian who's out working hard, who's doing the right thing 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.880 by the country, and they're having kids, they're trying to 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.600 pay for a house, and yet they are just getting 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:34.720 absolutely slaughtered in an economic manner because of Labour's policies. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 And a big part of that is their climate policies 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:38.840 and their energy policies. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.080 I mean, we're in the middle of the. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.360 Big beta test here and no one can say to 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.280 me that the changes that have been made haven't driven 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.600 up prices because they have. 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.400 Well, I mean, Caroline, is it correct too that, like 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.200 it's basically an admission that renewables are not the cheapest 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.760 form of power. When Jim Chalmers had to in the 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.880 budget give us back three hundred bucks to pay for 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.680 our higher bills, which are higher because of all the. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.400 Renewables, I know, and we're still waiting for the two 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.360 hundred and seventy five dollars discount energy bills they had that, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.880 I think that they've completely forgotten about that because clearly 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.920 it can't be delivered. So instead they're bribing people with 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.760 this three hundred dollars of our own tax payer money 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.040 being given back to us. Ultimately, I think you're going 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.960 to have to convince the Party's going to have to 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:29.160 convince people about whether the short term expense of building 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.120 the infrastructure that's needed for nuclear is going to pay 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.600 off in the long term. But if we're seeing all 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.760 these countries around the world, like the irony, the great 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:38.960 irony is that in France where they have the Paris 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.760 a qorters at the Paris Agreement, as you point out, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.000 that's where they have such a strong investment in nuclear 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.800 and yet we're here with these great uranium stores and 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.760 we're not putting them to use. It just is an 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:52.640 awful waste. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.840 It doesn't make any sense to me. It's never made 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.960 any sense to me. But anyway, let's move on because 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.320 I've got another big issue I think we got to 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.160 talk about here, and that is CFMU boss John Setka, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.840 who is building support over his threats to the afl 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.000 umpiring boss Steve McBurnie. He of course was the head 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.359 of the A Triple AB Triple C before. Here's Setka 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:18.040 saying yesterday it's absolutely not a threat, though I. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.879 Will not make any threat. So I'm we're talking about 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.480 exposing people. I mean, people like McBurney can't attack workers 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.480 and their conditions and be so undemocratic they make in 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.440 North Korea look like a democracy and then just right 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.680 off into the sunset like nothing's ever happened. I mean, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:34.400 there is going to be consequences. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:40.199 Well, anyway, everybody rest assured because Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.760 today delivered an absolute rejection of this kind of bullying. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.080 Oh no, sorry, wait no, he didn't say anything about. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:53.720 That, and obviously is absurd to suggest that the decision. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.880 I've never heard of this blike to be honest, AFL, 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.119 I'm not even sure what the job is running the 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.960 judiciary or the refs, the umpiring, the umpiring there you go, uh, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.800 the umpiring, that's a matter for the I f L frankly, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.600 and I don't know. There's too much uh except to 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.400 say that that's the case. Common sense tells you that. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.960 They kind of let that one wash over him and 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.760 Anaka Wells, the Sports Minister, was even less ready to 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.240 criticize Setka I love this year. An Aid had to 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.679 spring to her defense to stop a dreaded question on 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.480 the topic. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:46.880 Effect, can I just take the Australian representatives of wife 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:47.520 that's again. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.240 I think, sorry, well that's a real profile encouraged right there. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.720 But to his credit, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton declared, the 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:01.720 Prime Minister needs to stand up to John's and the CFMEU. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.160 We know the CFMU donates four and a half million 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.920 dollars a year to the Labor Party, but the Prime 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.200 Minister needs to stand up for Australians and to stand 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.639 up against this bullying. The Prime Minister would be the 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.160 first out of the blocks as any of us would 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.639 to condemn bullying in the workplace. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.520 Keith. We've seen this government get bullied by Palestine activists 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.639 and dragged the left. Now they seem to be getting 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:29.280 bullied by unions and not calling out this outrageous behavior. Now, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.520 unions have their place, but surely you know what John 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.920 Setka has been talking about. That's unacceptable. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.399 Well, James, whatever happened to your rights at work? I 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.240 seem to remember something about your rights at work? What's 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.520 wrong with an individual who did his best and the 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.359 Raleigh had previously and he's now got another job and 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.199 the union wants to get rid of him because they 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.560 didn't like the job he did last time. I mean, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.560 that's just it's an outrageous attack on an individual's right 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:57.680 to actually earn a living. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:58.400 Now. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.920 I don't know the gentleman involved. I don't think I've 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.679 ever met him. But for every single Austrie that changes 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.120 jobs or picks up another one, if the union gets 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.440 a bent against you because if your previous role, apparently 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.960 you can't be imployed again ever anywhere, I just think 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.960 this is outrighteous. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:18.239 Just unbelievable. In Caroline, also here in Sydney, you know, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.440 we've seen this crazy situation where the light rail drivers 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.639 and boy, they're going to be so happy when the 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.800 driverless light rail comes in, aren't. They have been trying 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.760 to strike and they did do strike because they want 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.920 a twenty three percent pay increase. Is the figuring now 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.840 on the part of the union's well, we've got labor 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.160 wall to wall. Let's just, you know, get as many 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:43.120 runs on board as we can. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.520 I mean, I would like a twenty three percent pay increase, 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.000 true play pretty please. I mean most of the country would. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.399 We're all going for a cost of living crisis. But 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:52.719 it's I mean, they do they I guess it is. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.359 That's what you get when you pretty much have a 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.560 political party and the governing political party in your pocket. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:00.600 And it couldn't come at a worse time because we 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.399 have vivid here at the moment, which is already chaos 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.639 for the city, and now they're are all these strikes 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.639 and closures happening on the road. We cannot afford this 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:12.560 at this time. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.560 And it comes down to how, you know, the only 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.840 growth and employment now is in the government government sectors. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.520 But anyway, that's another topic because I want to talk 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.280 to you Caroline you have had an exclusive to Day 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.400 about well, embarrassing is not even the word appalling, horrifying 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.399 new campaign about cervical cancer that's been supported by Labor, 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.520 The campaign, which has been granted millions of dollars in 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.720 taxpayer funding, uses messages such as people with a cervix 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:42.399 and I can't even believe I have to say this 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:47.320 front Hall, Caroline, well done? What more can you tell 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:48.800 us about about this? 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.879 I felt the same way, have to say those words 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.000 as part of my new story today. Well, this is 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.640 a campaign, as you say, the government has poured millions 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.879 of dollars into three point three millions of dollars giving 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.720 it to this organization called Acorn, which was originally set 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.800 up in the eighties to tackle HIV and AIDS, which 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:14.280 obviously impacts mainly people within the LGBTQ community. As they're 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.760 now known, it's moved on to become more of an 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:23.360 activist organization generally, and then their most recent cervical cancer campaign, 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.359 the one that's running currently, doesn't even use the word 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.520 women in its campaign video about a disease that is 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:36.240 deadly for women. It is the fourth most deadly cancer 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.960 for women in the world, and more than two hundred 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.800 women in Australia die from it every year, something like 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.440 nine hundred women. This is a women's disease. Shouldn't be 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:49.800 afraid to point out that biological fact that it affects 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.919 women because the cervix is part of us, is a 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:58.399 reproductive organ of women. But because the government wants to 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:04.440 target particular groups, and among them are LGBTQ groups, which 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:09.280 are one of the groups along with Indigenous migrant low 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:14.480