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Speaker 1: I appociate production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to episode ten of The Missing Matter.

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Speaker 1: It has been a.

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Speaker 2: Journey, Jonie, another journey with you on a different scale,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to say, personally from me, I'm

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Speaker 2: very grateful for all your efforts and all your energy

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Speaker 2: and doing this with me because I never thought that

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Speaker 2: and you sharing this with me on a very personal level.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've gone through a lot together, so I

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Speaker 2: know everyone who's following along has the same sentiment for

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Speaker 2: you as I do, but I am definitely on an

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Speaker 2: extra scale, So thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Back atchaatcha.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we've I'm glad we're man, and glad we're friends.

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Speaker 2: It makes the good side of a bad story, you know,

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Speaker 2: gives us something positive out of it, so I'm really

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Speaker 2: grateful for that. And you've taught me how to make

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Speaker 2: sour dough, so that's another thing I did.

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Speaker 1: I have a big burn. Look at my arm.

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Speaker 2: I've got a massive burn. Listen, we're going to take

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Speaker 2: you on this last bit of the journey with us.

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Speaker 2: It's a rollercoaster this episode. It's a big episode. We're

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Speaker 2: giving you a lot of information here, but let's jump in. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So it's now October nineteen and we're making our way

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Speaker 2: before making our way down to Gatwick Airport, where we

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Speaker 2: getting lots of people offering us to meet for lunch

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Speaker 2: these amazing people who have been following along and so supportive.

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Speaker 2: We popped out a post and we were coming to

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Speaker 2: So before we went to Hastings, though, we had a

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Speaker 2: there and a lovely lady who I've met through this journey.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Wendy.

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Speaker 2: She had offered to meet us there for lunch, so

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Speaker 2: that was our first stop.

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Speaker 1: We pulled up.

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Speaker 2: We saw these beautiful little houses, so quaint with these

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Speaker 2: do you remember like little tiny metal figurines that lined

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Speaker 3: Yes, the losses.

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Speaker 1: It was just absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it, so definitely right up

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Speaker 2: my mum's alley. I can imagine her sitting there saying

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Speaker 2: the beautiful area, beautiful scenery.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Wendy had organized for us.

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Speaker 2: There's a pub directly across the road from Jane Austen's house,

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Speaker 2: so we met there and had a cozy English pub launch,

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Speaker 2: Laura Richards, who you'll all know from Crime Analysts, who

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Speaker 2: to give to you and I. So we've got photos

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Speaker 2: I do remember that drive actually going from Jane Austen's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just a magnificent drive.

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Speaker 4: And plus I wasn't driving, I wasn't having to navigate,

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Speaker 4: that was your deal, all those endless roundabouts.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember? It was just a beautiful drive down there.

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Speaker 4: It was a really relaxing sort of time after everything

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Speaker 1: So look, we arrived in Hastings.

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Speaker 4: That Wash about quarter past five or something or other.

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Speaker 4: Owen's Brickwork and Scaffold Contractors.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of like a bit of a good omen.

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Speaker 4: I feel as though he's kind of I don't know

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Speaker 2: And the Owen was massive, do you remember, like it

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Speaker 4: So I feel though almost in a way, I mean,

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Speaker 4: on this journey I want to forget, you know, turning

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Speaker 4: and again you know this journey like we've had a

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Speaker 4: month literally bouncing between countries, and so we had each other, yes,

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Speaker 1: But it was a very.

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Speaker 4: Bizarre situation and we did meet a lot of people

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Speaker 4: it was lovely to see those lovely, lovely people leaning

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Speaker 1: It was so funny, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Sally Jonie's We're walking up the foot bath and all

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Speaker 2: these other people must have been looking at us, going

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Speaker 1: Like, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: It was just and they didn't even know each other.

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think anybody knew anybody else.

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Speaker 2: But we had people who had driven down like a

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Speaker 4: Rye Gee Rye was. Wasn't that a spectacular place? I

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Speaker 4: to Carly, Marie and Simon that they put us up

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Speaker 3: It was such an hstoic little area.

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Speaker 2: So Carly had reached out to me on Facebook actually

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Speaker 2: So it was this the quaintest cottage. I don't even

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Speaker 2: the tower. Oh, just amazing. It's such amazing generosity and

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Speaker 1: So we are staying yew wow, we're very feeling very

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Speaker 2: Carl and Simon is very kindly let us staying at

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Speaker 2: their Airbnb. And we were just sitting there having dinner

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Speaker 1: People next to us.

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Speaker 1: And hence while we're here, and they were very excited.

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Speaker 2: We gave them our cards and everything so that they

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Speaker 2: There you go, Jonie, That's what I was thinking. Is

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Speaker 2: this the place you were talking about?

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Speaker 1: So this is it. We're just like literally two doors

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Speaker 4: The attractions that we're going to go and see to

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Speaker 1: He's literally at the end of the street.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's that's very similar looking to

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Speaker 2: Good night everyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was a weird sounding animal. All right, Let's

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Speaker 4: Very early in the day, all right, after a cozy

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday. It was so cold, Jooney, like, what are

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Speaker 1: we doing? I didn't mind it, so as you well know,

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Speaker 2: I had jackets and everything, but we literally had beanies

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Speaker 1: Okay, So good morning wearing Rye and it is blowing

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Speaker 3: It's been blowing like this for about two hours.

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Speaker 1: I can actually feel a bit of a breeze coming

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Speaker 2: Right was a town of huge interest in my mum's timeline. Firstly,

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Speaker 2: it was where she got her bank correspondence posted interestingly,

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Speaker 2: nothing else just her bank and financial documents. And why

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Speaker 2: did they not go to Leslie Loveday's house in Southport

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Speaker 2: like the other male that she had redirected. So the

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Speaker 2: the postcards was the Barclay's bank in Rye. The postcard

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Speaker 2: the seventh of July in nineteen ninety seven to my

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Speaker 2: Auntie Lee is from Hastings East Sussex village of Rye

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Speaker 1: A huge amount of work was done.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank everybody over there and over here

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Speaker 2: we have done a massive job trying to find an

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Speaker 2: my mum's postcard to try and locate where it might

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Speaker 2: Christina did a fair bit of work again, being that

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Speaker 1: We've just been into a couple of shops. What have

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Speaker 4: The castle up the top Adams of Rye, which is

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Speaker 1: We all gardens, So we're going to go there and

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Speaker 3: So let's just get moving and going with the strip.

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Speaker 1: If nothing else, we're spreading the word right.

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Speaker 2: This is a small town, Okay, So I think it's important.

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Speaker 1: Read the Mint Street High Street.

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Speaker 2: The building inside was covered with boxes and dead flies.

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Speaker 6: Well what I'm saying is doesn't said the the winnows.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's like twenty people. Oh and look inside, there's more.

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Speaker 2: Why would there be flies everywhere?

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Speaker 2: And then there was boxes everywhere, And I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: You and I.

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Speaker 4: So I guess you must wonder why Marian had this

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Speaker 4: address was Barclay's Bank, Comma Mint Street, Rye Comma London,

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Speaker 2: You know, I can totally see why my mum would

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Speaker 2: But why did she do this? Like why did she

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Speaker 1: Now we know that.

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Speaker 2: Rick Blum in the nineteen eighties lived only a short

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Speaker 2: Was she using that as a hub while she was

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Speaker 1: I wonder what that might be, and that was what

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Speaker 2: So it's a response from Barclaye's Bank addressed to my mum,

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Speaker 2: which is very weird. I'm very stressful to read actually,

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Speaker 1: So they did this very very quickly, I must say.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. They've just said we cannot complete your personal

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Speaker 4: So one of the other locations that we did go

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Speaker 4: that's a fairly famous little location in Rye, and I

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Speaker 1: It was an amazing little place.

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Speaker 4: So look, we went back there because Christina, the wonderful

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Speaker 1: A few years ago, yeah, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 8: In twenty nineteen, you helped some people out with a

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Speaker 7: They just wondered if.

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Speaker 8: You had a minute, because there's been some updates and they.

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Speaker 1: Know they're a peran person. Yeah, we've come from Australia.

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Speaker 1: They've come from Australia. Yeah, and I'm the daughter of

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Speaker 2: The daughter of the missing person so yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: All right, let me get someone to show you over

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Speaker 2: Please, I think we're going to see.

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Speaker 1: Might be shown.

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Speaker 5: Just check check.

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Speaker 1: Could you show them to the office. Judith is expecting

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, have a great day so much.

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Speaker 1: You have just likes. Yes, you got a moment, all right,

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Speaker 7: We've got ham, salmon, cheese.

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Speaker 3: Okay, alright, let's don't forget when you've got the name

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Speaker 1: Anything like that, ye, and then we'll see more bigger mills.

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Speaker 1: But again in the bar we got all hie.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Sunday wrote, but I won't.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, thank you, yeah, yeah, thank you? How are you?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Thanks very much. You put my umbrell with him?

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Speaker 1: Interesting. We love be a sanctum. Yeah, picture and let

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Speaker 3: Ye here, all right?

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Speaker 2: So I know Christina said that you were very lovely

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Speaker 1: Let her have your guest book.

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Speaker 1: The answer to jin you.

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Speaker 2: My husband would agree with you, so we The reason

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Speaker 2: But since Christina spoke to you, we have actually had

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Speaker 2: a relationship.

444
00:24:33,321 --> 00:24:36,321
Speaker 1: He's admitted to having a relationship with her at that time,

445
00:24:36,521 --> 00:24:40,521
Speaker 1: so then it's not and he so nobody was ever found. No,

446
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: so we haven't found her body.

447
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,041
Speaker 2: So I've still got documents up to twenty thirteen where

448
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Bank were still sending letters care of Barclay's

449
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,561
Speaker 2: banking rye in Mint Street. So for me, I know

450
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,081
Speaker 2: she flew back into Australia because we have her incoming

451
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: passenger card confirmation and she's never left again unless she's

452
00:25:06,481 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: used a fake name or got a fake passport or

453
00:25:09,201 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: something like that.

454
00:25:09,681 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: But I really don't think that's happened.

455
00:25:12,441 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: This man has. We've found seven other people who have

456
00:25:17,721 --> 00:25:21,201
Speaker 2: had dealings with him, and allegedly he stole their money

457
00:25:21,241 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: and did very similar activities as my mum did, like

458
00:25:25,281 --> 00:25:28,721
Speaker 2: going overseas to start a new life, sending postcards to family,

459
00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: having liver function tests, and all sorts of crazy wild

460
00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: parts to the story. So the reason we wanted to

461
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,161
Speaker 2: come back to you particularly is because we thought we

462
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: Christina didn't know about him at that time, so we

463
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: weren't looking for his name in the guest book. And

464
00:25:47,561 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: we have got now a copy of Jane austen House Guestbook,

465
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: and there's an odd there's an odd entry that's in

466
00:25:56,721 --> 00:26:01,721
Speaker 2: the timeline of Mum that just says French woman.

467
00:26:02,281 --> 00:26:04,041
Speaker 1: What does it say? Swiss?

468
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,321
Speaker 2: Swiss this lady and then Belgium and the Belgium is

469
00:26:09,441 --> 00:26:13,801
Speaker 2: very similar to nineteen ninety seven, so we can narrow

470
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,441
Speaker 2: it right down to because it's from June to August. Second,

471
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: because you think of technology now, she wouldn't have gone

472
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:24,801
Speaker 2: missing now.

473
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,801
Speaker 1: Really definitely, it's a lot.

474
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:32,441
Speaker 2: I mean, people still go missing, and you know, and

475
00:26:32,481 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: it's and I did. And for the better side of

476
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,881
Speaker 2: the story you said before, they are good people. I've said,

477
00:26:38,921 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, my cup is half full, always not empty.

478
00:26:42,201 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: And I've made some amazing friends, and I've met some

479
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,001
Speaker 2: awesome humans who have.

480
00:26:47,041 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: Helped me and just keeping me going, you know.

481
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,681
Speaker 2: And then at the same time, it's been very difficult

482
00:26:52,721 --> 00:26:57,041
Speaker 2: because I've had all these roadblocks through my life going

483
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,121
Speaker 2: you tell her.

484
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: Having the family saying what are you doing?

485
00:26:59,921 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: Like she leave her alone, she's not missing, and then

486
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,321
Speaker 2: the police telling me we found her and she doesn't.

487
00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: Want to be found.

488
00:27:04,801 --> 00:27:08,201
Speaker 2: And then for her tenth anniversary, I was like, something's wrong.

489
00:27:08,441 --> 00:27:12,281
Speaker 2: She's never contacted anybody. She needs to someone needs to

490
00:27:12,281 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: do something. And so that started the ball rolling a

491
00:27:14,241 --> 00:27:16,161
Speaker 2: little bit again, and then it just got shelved again

492
00:27:16,681 --> 00:27:19,641
Speaker 2: and it was just me hating to come back in

493
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,921
Speaker 2: and dig and dig, and then they come and they

494
00:27:22,001 --> 00:27:25,321
Speaker 2: just it was like they were musing with me, Oh, well,

495
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: just check this out. Sorry, she's still you know, she

496
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to be found, Sally. It's just as

497
00:27:30,281 --> 00:27:33,281
Speaker 2: good as it's going to get, Sally. The case is closed.

498
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: Our hands are tired, Sally, like I have just dealt

499
00:27:36,441 --> 00:27:39,121
Speaker 2: with that for years. And then when my grandmother finally

500
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,801
Speaker 2: passed away at ninety four, that's when I went, right,

501
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: she's now passed.

502
00:27:43,001 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to upset her by going to the media.

503
00:27:46,561 --> 00:27:49,041
Speaker 2: And I sort of was contacting sixty minutes and trying

504
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,161
Speaker 2: to get somebody to do something in the media because

505
00:27:51,201 --> 00:27:53,201
Speaker 2: she'd had she wasn't even on the missing person's list.

506
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild.

507
00:27:57,481 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 6: Well you get some sort of piece and get to

508
00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: the end of all this, because it's just it's almost criminals.

509
00:28:05,721 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: That's a terrible I keep thinking she's so familiar.

510
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: But then again, obviously obviously in the picture a few times.

511
00:28:10,281 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, in ninety seven, I must have know' that's a

512
00:28:15,001 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 4: so stupid.

513
00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Thing because I was just out front all the time.

514
00:28:17,681 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: I was always everywhere.

515
00:28:19,721 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So Judith and Martin were so lovely taking

516
00:28:29,681 --> 00:28:31,761
Speaker 2: time to talk to us and show us their guest

517
00:28:31,761 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: book from nineteen ninety seven. We finished our afternoon dining

518
00:28:35,521 --> 00:28:38,321
Speaker 2: in their stunning dining room for a Sunday roast.

519
00:28:38,881 --> 00:28:40,801
Speaker 4: So, look, we had a lot to squeeze into our

520
00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:42,761
Speaker 4: last forty eight hours, didn't we sell.

521
00:28:42,961 --> 00:28:47,241
Speaker 1: So Tumbridge Wells was a bit of a tricky kind of.

522
00:28:47,241 --> 00:28:50,801
Speaker 4: Location because we had We've had so many awesome people

523
00:28:51,081 --> 00:28:54,481
Speaker 4: well and truly covered Tumbridge Wells, haven't we. So look,

524
00:28:54,481 --> 00:28:58,041
Speaker 4: we also went to the Tumbridge Wells Family History Research Room.

525
00:28:58,881 --> 00:29:01,161
Speaker 4: We went in there just to see if there was

526
00:29:01,241 --> 00:29:05,521
Speaker 4: any kind of guess books or any phone books or

527
00:29:05,561 --> 00:29:08,361
Speaker 4: anything like that where we could find information that hadn't

528
00:29:08,401 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: been discovered by the fantastic slus or armchair detectives or

529
00:29:13,201 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 4: researchers down in that area.

530
00:29:15,361 --> 00:29:17,601
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we know that mum had been to the

531
00:29:17,681 --> 00:29:20,881
Speaker 2: visitor center, but that actually was not existing anymore. And

532
00:29:20,921 --> 00:29:22,961
Speaker 2: the reason we wanted to go there was to see

533
00:29:22,961 --> 00:29:25,641
Speaker 2: if she'd signed the book based on the postcard that

534
00:29:25,721 --> 00:29:28,881
Speaker 2: she'd sent to Una and George.

535
00:29:28,921 --> 00:29:30,841
Speaker 1: So Una and George was Una was.

536
00:29:30,801 --> 00:29:34,121
Speaker 2: My grandfather's sister, and George was probably one of my

537
00:29:34,201 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: mum's favorite humans on the planet. And his name was

538
00:29:37,241 --> 00:29:40,641
Speaker 2: George Smart. And there was actually at the time when

539
00:29:40,681 --> 00:29:42,681
Speaker 2: she was in Tumbridge Wells. There was an exhibition there

540
00:29:42,721 --> 00:29:45,281
Speaker 2: called the George Smart. I can't remember if it said

541
00:29:45,281 --> 00:29:48,041
Speaker 2: George My Exhibition, but anyway, she'd sent him a brochure,

542
00:29:48,081 --> 00:29:51,041
Speaker 2: so similar to me when she sent me the day

543
00:29:51,041 --> 00:29:54,161
Speaker 2: at the Wells brochure in her letter that she sent

544
00:29:54,241 --> 00:29:58,121
Speaker 2: me back. It's just that extra step that my mum took.

545
00:29:58,521 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: So if we just pause there for a minute and

546
00:30:01,041 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: just to reflect on that, this is a woman that

547
00:30:03,321 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: everyone told me had delivered, never wanted to see her

548
00:30:06,561 --> 00:30:10,841
Speaker 2: family again, who didn't want to be found, who deliberately

549
00:30:10,881 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: was trying to disappear herself. Yet she's going to the

550
00:30:13,681 --> 00:30:17,841
Speaker 2: effort of actually remembering things like Sally's craft and asking

551
00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,041
Speaker 2: for a sticker to put on the back of the postcard,

552
00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:24,201
Speaker 2: and going to George Smart exhibition and grabbing a booklet

553
00:30:24,241 --> 00:30:26,761
Speaker 2: and putting it in the envelope and saying it made me.

554
00:30:26,761 --> 00:30:28,241
Speaker 1: Think of you, Georgie.

555
00:30:28,401 --> 00:30:30,761
Speaker 2: Or going to the cat shop and sending that to

556
00:30:30,801 --> 00:30:33,561
Speaker 2: the cousins going because they love cats. This is not

557
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:36,961
Speaker 2: the making of somebody who was never wanting to see

558
00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:38,041
Speaker 2: her family ever again.

559
00:30:38,281 --> 00:30:39,721
Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there.

560
00:30:39,801 --> 00:30:43,001
Speaker 2: That's my I've become very firm on this, Like, as

561
00:30:43,001 --> 00:30:46,121
Speaker 2: we've been going along, especially over the last six years,

562
00:30:46,121 --> 00:30:49,281
Speaker 2: and I've had to analyze every single detail, I am

563
00:30:49,361 --> 00:30:52,561
Speaker 2: firm on that I know she definitely did not intend

564
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:54,801
Speaker 2: to disappear and leave us forever.

565
00:30:54,881 --> 00:30:56,321
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still people commenting.

566
00:30:56,361 --> 00:30:58,241
Speaker 2: I saw a comment the other day, like someone telling

567
00:30:58,281 --> 00:31:01,321
Speaker 2: me I was delusional and that my mum just clearly

568
00:31:01,721 --> 00:31:03,801
Speaker 2: wanted to leave and never wanted to see me ever again.

569
00:31:03,841 --> 00:31:07,161
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, interesting people have these opinions so

570
00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:09,921
Speaker 2: firmly in their choice of words when they've never met

571
00:31:09,921 --> 00:31:13,321
Speaker 2: my mother and they're listening to a podcast for probably

572
00:31:13,441 --> 00:31:17,241
Speaker 2: five seconds to come up with that analogy. So each

573
00:31:17,321 --> 00:31:19,201
Speaker 2: to their own, and everyone can have their own opinions,

574
00:31:19,241 --> 00:31:23,361
Speaker 2: but I think that kind of thing is quite evident

575
00:31:23,401 --> 00:31:26,081
Speaker 2: to me that she was thinking about her family and

576
00:31:26,121 --> 00:31:30,641
Speaker 2: we were definitely in her thoughts. So our accommodation was

577
00:31:31,001 --> 00:31:34,041
Speaker 2: a little Airbnb flat. It was on a busy main

578
00:31:34,161 --> 00:31:37,401
Speaker 2: road central to everywhere we needed to go, so that's

579
00:31:37,441 --> 00:31:38,801
Speaker 2: kind of like why I chose it, because I knew

580
00:31:38,801 --> 00:31:41,281
Speaker 2: we were going to be super busy. The downsize was

581
00:31:41,321 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: there was no car park on site, so we had

582
00:31:43,241 --> 00:31:46,561
Speaker 2: to park at a parking station. It just happened to

583
00:31:46,681 --> 00:31:49,841
Speaker 2: be right next door to the Kent Police station, so

584
00:31:50,521 --> 00:31:53,521
Speaker 2: I went there in May twenty nineteen. We Channel seven

585
00:31:53,521 --> 00:31:55,681
Speaker 2: and I spoke to a police officer there at the time.

586
00:31:56,361 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: And we'll come back to this shortly, but anyway, we

587
00:31:59,121 --> 00:32:02,401
Speaker 2: rolled our luggage in the rain surprise a long way

588
00:32:03,041 --> 00:32:06,561
Speaker 2: to their accommodation with a lot of narrow stairs. For

589
00:32:06,641 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: the last time, we had no time to rest, and

590
00:32:09,521 --> 00:32:12,601
Speaker 2: this was actually a very good reason for no time

591
00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: to rest, because we were meeting up with the lovely

592
00:32:14,801 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: Laura Fitten.

593
00:32:16,281 --> 00:32:17,601
Speaker 1: Laura had traveled a.

594
00:32:17,601 --> 00:32:20,681
Speaker 4: Long way to come down and see us down there,

595
00:32:21,521 --> 00:32:24,601
Speaker 4: so we had a very nice time with her that night,

596
00:32:25,041 --> 00:32:29,001
Speaker 4: went to a little Indian restaurant on the pantiles in Timebridge,

597
00:32:29,001 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: Wals and we just had a little cocktail and a

598
00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:36,201
Speaker 4: little chat. Laura gave us some beautiful gifts as well,

599
00:32:36,481 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: which I was just pretty blown away by, to be honest,

600
00:32:40,361 --> 00:32:42,721
Speaker 4: and we just sat there and we just actually had

601
00:32:42,721 --> 00:32:44,041
Speaker 4: a very nice time.

602
00:32:44,401 --> 00:32:45,761
Speaker 1: And you know, it was nice to hear.

603
00:32:46,561 --> 00:32:50,481
Speaker 2: Laura's one of those people who I've always loved her

604
00:32:50,521 --> 00:32:55,001
Speaker 2: comments because they're so clear and they're so detailed, and

605
00:32:55,081 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: so I don't know.

606
00:32:56,321 --> 00:32:58,681
Speaker 1: I love reading what she has to say.

607
00:32:58,841 --> 00:33:01,521
Speaker 2: She's very sensible in her approach to things and how

608
00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:05,041
Speaker 2: she feels about certain things. And she's been following along

609
00:33:05,121 --> 00:33:07,561
Speaker 2: for a long time. And yeah, she's the lady who

610
00:33:07,641 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: gave me the scarf the Sunflowers Van Goes scarfs and

611
00:33:12,481 --> 00:33:15,001
Speaker 2: had Marion matters printed on them. And she's given me

612
00:33:15,041 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: a little leather diary and she's has been printed on

613
00:33:19,281 --> 00:33:21,561
Speaker 2: that as well, and I use that at work every day.

614
00:33:21,641 --> 00:33:24,841
Speaker 2: And you know, people are just so kind. And she

615
00:33:24,921 --> 00:33:26,881
Speaker 2: spent through I think three hours on the train to

616
00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:29,801
Speaker 2: come down and visit us. She explained to us and

617
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,121
Speaker 2: sat there and had an opportunity to tell us why

618
00:33:32,801 --> 00:33:37,761
Speaker 2: my story resonated with her and all the connectors for

619
00:33:37,801 --> 00:33:41,401
Speaker 2: her with her mum and myself and our journey and

620
00:33:41,441 --> 00:33:44,481
Speaker 2: her journey, and how it sort of resonated with her,

621
00:33:44,601 --> 00:33:49,601
Speaker 2: and how she's been pulled in with the similarities and

622
00:33:49,641 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: how we've connected that way. So feel very lucky to

623
00:33:52,801 --> 00:33:54,801
Speaker 2: know some of these great people in the world, and

624
00:33:54,841 --> 00:33:57,081
Speaker 2: I know that they're out there, and if I never

625
00:33:57,241 --> 00:34:00,321
Speaker 2: ever need them, I know they're there, and vice versa.

626
00:34:00,401 --> 00:34:03,041
Speaker 2: You know, we were very blessed. Actually, journey. We met

627
00:34:03,081 --> 00:34:05,161
Speaker 2: up with some other lovely women as well. We had

628
00:34:05,201 --> 00:34:08,241
Speaker 2: coffees and breakfasts and you know, there's so many I

629
00:34:08,281 --> 00:34:11,641
Speaker 2: probably can't mention everybody, but you know, some gorgeous little

630
00:34:11,881 --> 00:34:14,601
Speaker 2: trinket gifts just to remind us of that time we

631
00:34:14,681 --> 00:34:18,321
Speaker 2: traveled there. And from me to you who are listening,

632
00:34:18,441 --> 00:34:21,321
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for the care and support to help

633
00:34:21,321 --> 00:34:24,961
Speaker 2: me find the truth. It's definitely my upside of this journey.

634
00:34:24,961 --> 00:34:28,121
Speaker 2: So thank you so much. So the next morning we

635
00:34:28,121 --> 00:34:28,921
Speaker 2: were up early.

636
00:34:29,161 --> 00:34:32,601
Speaker 4: We hadn't really had much sleep, just didn't really sleep well,

637
00:34:32,641 --> 00:34:35,401
Speaker 4: but anyway, that was okay. We grabbed the car and

638
00:34:35,441 --> 00:34:38,801
Speaker 4: today was burwash day, so we were heading up there

639
00:34:38,921 --> 00:34:40,721
Speaker 4: and the first stop was Battle.

640
00:34:41,001 --> 00:34:41,881
Speaker 1: Well it was just weird.

641
00:34:41,921 --> 00:34:45,401
Speaker 2: It was pouring rain and when you're driving over there,

642
00:34:45,641 --> 00:34:49,241
Speaker 2: not like in Australia. So if we're driving on the rock,

643
00:34:49,321 --> 00:34:51,321
Speaker 2: like we're on the same side of the road over there.

644
00:34:51,601 --> 00:34:56,681
Speaker 2: So I'm driving and there's cars that have parked facing

645
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,881
Speaker 2: across the road on the wrong side of the road

646
00:34:58,921 --> 00:35:01,081
Speaker 2: that we would typically not be allowed to an Australia

647
00:35:01,121 --> 00:35:03,161
Speaker 2: park on. But they're all facing the way I was

648
00:35:03,241 --> 00:35:07,441
Speaker 2: heading and so see people coming from my lane, crossing

649
00:35:07,521 --> 00:35:11,361
Speaker 2: over the oncoming traffic and parking their cars. So I went, okay,

650
00:35:11,401 --> 00:35:13,521
Speaker 2: well that's obviously the how they do it. So I've

651
00:35:13,561 --> 00:35:16,401
Speaker 2: pulled over and I've got a car spot just close

652
00:35:16,441 --> 00:35:18,881
Speaker 2: to where the restaurant was, and we were meeting another

653
00:35:19,321 --> 00:35:22,961
Speaker 2: beautiful lady and it was pouring rain, so I was

654
00:35:22,961 --> 00:35:24,641
Speaker 2: trying to get as close to the restaurant as we

655
00:35:24,681 --> 00:35:28,521
Speaker 2: possibly could, and there was not one sign in place

656
00:35:28,641 --> 00:35:30,601
Speaker 2: to say you had to pay for parking, so we

657
00:35:30,641 --> 00:35:32,761
Speaker 2: just locked the car and troofed off, and when we

658
00:35:32,761 --> 00:35:34,321
Speaker 2: came back there was a ticket yeap.

659
00:35:34,361 --> 00:35:36,881
Speaker 4: So across the road there we went to see one

660
00:35:36,921 --> 00:35:39,761
Speaker 4: of the older dealers there who that was a bit

661
00:35:39,761 --> 00:35:43,201
Speaker 4: of mucking around. He had changed his shops from one

662
00:35:43,321 --> 00:35:47,241
Speaker 4: location up to right near the old ruins there, so

663
00:35:47,321 --> 00:35:49,001
Speaker 4: we went and went in and saw him.

664
00:35:49,481 --> 00:35:52,761
Speaker 2: We actually went into the castle there at Battle of

665
00:35:52,761 --> 00:35:54,921
Speaker 2: Hastings and we asked them again if they had a

666
00:35:55,001 --> 00:35:58,321
Speaker 2: guest book, but again we were faced with really young people.

667
00:35:58,441 --> 00:36:00,801
Speaker 2: So it makes me think, is it something that we

668
00:36:00,841 --> 00:36:04,441
Speaker 2: don't really do in today's world where people sign guest books?

669
00:36:04,481 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: I guess as much as they did back in the day.

670
00:36:07,921 --> 00:36:10,881
Speaker 2: And these girls were like, oh no, really sorry, nothing

671
00:36:10,921 --> 00:36:13,241
Speaker 2: to see here, and I was really sad because we

672
00:36:13,281 --> 00:36:15,561
Speaker 2: had no time to look at anything. We literally walked

673
00:36:15,561 --> 00:36:17,841
Speaker 2: in the front door, asked them the question, and left.

674
00:36:17,721 --> 00:36:18,641
Speaker 1: What sat behind.

675
00:36:18,721 --> 00:36:23,481
Speaker 4: That was also an email to whoever was running those

676
00:36:23,801 --> 00:36:27,001
Speaker 4: different attractions at the time with a request to actually

677
00:36:27,201 --> 00:36:30,561
Speaker 4: look and see whether they had archive books and if

678
00:36:30,561 --> 00:36:32,121
Speaker 4: they could get back to us, and a number of

679
00:36:32,121 --> 00:36:36,081
Speaker 4: them actually did from Southern England saying so we used

680
00:36:36,121 --> 00:36:39,201
Speaker 4: to hold them, but we don't anymore, or we never did.

681
00:36:39,321 --> 00:36:41,521
Speaker 3: People just came in and out as long as they paid.

682
00:36:41,361 --> 00:36:42,641
Speaker 1: For their ticket and look.

683
00:36:42,721 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: The reason Battle of Hastings was important was because Mum

684
00:36:45,561 --> 00:36:48,481
Speaker 2: mentioned it in one of her postcards. So just to

685
00:36:48,561 --> 00:36:52,961
Speaker 2: clarify that we're really honing in on the finer details

686
00:36:53,321 --> 00:36:55,841
Speaker 2: and going to these places where she said she had visited.

687
00:36:56,041 --> 00:36:57,881
Speaker 1: Also Battle Cell like paul Kent.

688
00:36:58,441 --> 00:37:02,201
Speaker 4: Battle for paul Kent was in his opinion, the place

689
00:37:02,241 --> 00:37:05,681
Speaker 4: where she may have actually stayed as well, because there

690
00:37:05,721 --> 00:37:10,081
Speaker 4: was a lot of oustouse B and B's oost oust

691
00:37:10,201 --> 00:37:12,681
Speaker 4: were around that area. So that's also while we went

692
00:37:12,761 --> 00:37:16,041
Speaker 4: to Battle just to see if we could locate that

693
00:37:16,281 --> 00:37:18,361
Speaker 4: as well in that particular area.

694
00:37:18,401 --> 00:37:21,761
Speaker 2: All right, so we drove off. I was panicking about

695
00:37:21,881 --> 00:37:25,241
Speaker 2: having a parking ticket and us leaving the country, so

696
00:37:25,681 --> 00:37:27,881
Speaker 2: I got Joni on the mission while I'm trying to

697
00:37:27,961 --> 00:37:30,881
Speaker 2: navigate where we're going, while she's trying to pay the

698
00:37:30,881 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: bill online. But then they told us that you can't

699
00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35,441
Speaker 2: pay it for forty eight hours or something ridiculous, or

700
00:37:35,441 --> 00:37:36,201
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.

701
00:37:36,201 --> 00:37:38,241
Speaker 1: You had to wait before you could actually make the payment.

702
00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:43,161
Speaker 2: So we parked that idea and just put in our GPS.

703
00:37:43,801 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: And I wanted to go and speak to a lady named.

704
00:37:48,681 --> 00:37:52,721
Speaker 2: We wanted to speak to this lady because she was

705
00:37:52,761 --> 00:37:57,881
Speaker 2: actually friends with Diane when they lived in Burwash back

706
00:37:57,921 --> 00:38:01,761
Speaker 2: in the eighties, and Christina had managed to speak with her,

707
00:38:02,401 --> 00:38:08,241
Speaker 2: and she shared fair bit with Christina about her time

708
00:38:08,881 --> 00:38:16,841
Speaker 2: and friendship with Diane back in the eighties. Hello.

709
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:20,481
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello bubbies.

710
00:38:20,681 --> 00:38:25,681
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, I like you beautiful?

711
00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:33,121
Speaker 7: Hello Hello Hello.

712
00:38:36,121 --> 00:38:40,241
Speaker 1: Hello all.

713
00:38:40,601 --> 00:38:42,441
Speaker 3: I don't think she's fine?

714
00:38:43,201 --> 00:38:43,521
Speaker 2: All right?

715
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:48,601
Speaker 1: Yeh say the way?

716
00:38:58,361 --> 00:38:58,521
Speaker 5: Oh?

717
00:38:58,801 --> 00:38:59,041
Speaker 1: Hello?

718
00:38:59,241 --> 00:38:59,561
Speaker 5: How are you?

719
00:38:59,721 --> 00:39:00,161
Speaker 1: Hello?

720
00:39:00,761 --> 00:39:01,361
Speaker 3: Let's going you?

721
00:39:01,401 --> 00:39:01,681
Speaker 1: Sorry?

722
00:39:01,801 --> 00:39:02,921
Speaker 2: Sorry, don't interrupt you.

723
00:39:03,761 --> 00:39:05,521
Speaker 3: We're just wanding live here.

724
00:39:09,361 --> 00:39:15,201
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I give you a card for her if

725
00:39:15,201 --> 00:39:17,721
Speaker 2: you don't want a moms prow Ollo buddies.

726
00:39:18,121 --> 00:39:22,561
Speaker 3: It's very interrupted from Australia. So we're a long way away.

727
00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:24,081
Speaker 3: We come a long way.

728
00:39:24,201 --> 00:39:28,601
Speaker 1: We will be familiar with.

729
00:39:30,521 --> 00:39:30,921
Speaker 7: My mom.

730
00:39:31,321 --> 00:39:52,121
Speaker 1: My mom's actually listen her on my Space. What a

731
00:39:52,121 --> 00:40:00,241
Speaker 1: beautiful house. And of course she's in Spain. Look how

732
00:40:00,321 --> 00:40:04,561
Speaker 1: they get both you're friends a minute ago?

733
00:40:05,601 --> 00:40:16,561
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, well it's disappointing that she's not here. Dja

734
00:40:16,641 --> 00:40:17,161
Speaker 5: vou again?

735
00:40:18,241 --> 00:40:18,561
Speaker 1: Repeat.

736
00:40:18,601 --> 00:40:23,241
Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, Christina had actually done an amazing job

737
00:40:23,961 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: which I was very, very impressed with personally. She had

738
00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:33,681
Speaker 4: mailed letters to every single resident in the Burwash area,

739
00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:37,921
Speaker 4: so pretty much, as far as I could tell, nearly

740
00:40:37,961 --> 00:40:41,881
Speaker 4: every resident had received a letter from Christina asking whether

741
00:40:42,001 --> 00:40:46,401
Speaker 4: they knew the head of Very family. And so Christina

742
00:40:46,641 --> 00:40:50,561
Speaker 4: actually did get a call from a lady who had

743
00:40:51,001 --> 00:40:53,921
Speaker 4: from what I I guess, my opinion is she'd almost

744
00:40:54,041 --> 00:40:57,801
Speaker 4: been a confidante to Diane, to head of Very. So

745
00:40:57,961 --> 00:41:01,161
Speaker 4: their children had gone to play group together and they

746
00:41:01,201 --> 00:41:04,521
Speaker 4: had created a bit of a friendship. And so we

747
00:41:04,641 --> 00:41:08,401
Speaker 4: really got a lot of insight into Diane's life in

748
00:41:08,481 --> 00:41:14,721
Speaker 4: Burwash and some of the observations that made of Diane

749
00:41:14,841 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: and Rick and their family life, and just how I guess,

750
00:41:19,921 --> 00:41:23,841
Speaker 4: you know, her observations of Rick or Frederick de Hedavari's

751
00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:27,881
Speaker 4: behavior in that relationship too, and their children had little

752
00:41:27,921 --> 00:41:30,881
Speaker 4: playdates together, you know, like how we all, all of

753
00:41:31,001 --> 00:41:34,761
Speaker 4: us mums had little playdates with other mothers. So that

754
00:41:35,041 --> 00:41:38,721
Speaker 4: was like a really amazing thing to have located her.

755
00:41:39,481 --> 00:41:41,881
Speaker 4: And she was very, very giving of her time and

756
00:41:42,001 --> 00:41:46,321
Speaker 4: the giving of information, and it really did as with Luxembourg,

757
00:41:46,401 --> 00:41:48,361
Speaker 4: you know, you've got the little black box, and that

758
00:41:48,521 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: really did open up that little door to be able

759
00:41:51,521 --> 00:41:55,881
Speaker 4: to look into that whole Burwash, that family's time in Burwash.

760
00:41:56,321 --> 00:41:58,961
Speaker 2: The reason that that was sort of of interest to

761
00:41:59,161 --> 00:42:01,361
Speaker 2: us was not only to give us some background, but

762
00:42:02,361 --> 00:42:07,801
Speaker 2: we also had an interesting connector to that house that

763
00:42:08,641 --> 00:42:13,081
Speaker 2: might not mean anything at all, actually, but we had

764
00:42:13,121 --> 00:42:17,121
Speaker 2: a lovely lady by the name of Gemma who contacted

765
00:42:17,241 --> 00:42:21,121
Speaker 2: us with a curious find. So she had found an

766
00:42:21,161 --> 00:42:24,921
Speaker 2: online forum and someone had purchased an old passport of

767
00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:29,721
Speaker 2: a woman named Elaine Irene Edwards. So long and behold

768
00:42:30,521 --> 00:42:37,841
Speaker 2: to our shock. Elaine Edwards was actually Elaine Verica, and

769
00:42:38,201 --> 00:42:42,561
Speaker 2: the Vericas owned the home in Burwash that Rick Blum

770
00:42:42,641 --> 00:42:47,121
Speaker 2: and his wife Diane rented in nineteen eighty in the

771
00:42:47,241 --> 00:42:51,361
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, and so we were like, Okay, a passport

772
00:42:51,681 --> 00:42:56,601
Speaker 2: has been sold in Tasmania at a car boot sale

773
00:42:57,081 --> 00:43:00,401
Speaker 2: for a lady who lived in Burwash, at the same

774
00:43:00,521 --> 00:43:03,241
Speaker 2: residence that Rick Blum and Diane lived in in nineteen

775
00:43:03,361 --> 00:43:04,001
Speaker 2: in the eighties.

776
00:43:05,441 --> 00:43:09,521
Speaker 1: My brain was going a million miles an hour. Once again, I.

777
00:43:09,561 --> 00:43:11,881
Speaker 4: Did manage to contact him and he did agree. Yes,

778
00:43:12,081 --> 00:43:15,881
Speaker 4: that was me posting in the early two thousands. Yes,

779
00:43:15,961 --> 00:43:19,921
Speaker 4: I did purchase a passport. No, it wasn't from a

780
00:43:20,241 --> 00:43:24,761
Speaker 4: tall French speaking man with a limp et cetera, et cetera,

781
00:43:24,841 --> 00:43:27,921
Speaker 4: et cetera. It was from an elderly couple that I

782
00:43:28,161 --> 00:43:31,881
Speaker 4: knew from that particular carboot sale, and they would buy

783
00:43:31,921 --> 00:43:34,521
Speaker 4: all these antique things and things. And I asked if

784
00:43:34,521 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: there was anything else with it. He said he didn't

785
00:43:36,521 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: think so was just sitting on the table alone. There wasn't.

786
00:43:40,041 --> 00:43:43,361
Speaker 4: It wasn't as part of a box or a package

787
00:43:43,481 --> 00:43:45,641
Speaker 4: or anything like that, he said. I just picked it

788
00:43:45,761 --> 00:43:49,681
Speaker 4: up a bit like you at the Brussels flea market,

789
00:43:49,761 --> 00:43:51,601
Speaker 4: you know, where you opened up that little locket and

790
00:43:51,681 --> 00:43:53,281
Speaker 4: you saw the little photo.

791
00:43:53,841 --> 00:43:54,161
Speaker 1: He said.

792
00:43:54,201 --> 00:43:56,761
Speaker 4: I just couldn't really leave it there he said, I

793
00:43:56,801 --> 00:44:00,321
Speaker 4: felt as though this was someone's history and that the

794
00:44:00,441 --> 00:44:04,241
Speaker 4: family might be wanting this back, and so that was

795
00:44:04,761 --> 00:44:08,321
Speaker 4: why he purchased it, and that was why he posted

796
00:44:08,881 --> 00:44:13,481
Speaker 4: in that magazine to try to have that passport reconnect

797
00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:16,121
Speaker 4: with its owner. And he did say to me he

798
00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:20,081
Speaker 4: was quite confused as to why this UK passport from

799
00:44:20,161 --> 00:44:24,161
Speaker 4: the early nineteen twenties was sitting in a car boot

800
00:44:24,241 --> 00:44:27,241
Speaker 4: sort of flea market in northern Tasmania.

801
00:44:27,921 --> 00:44:31,081
Speaker 2: So let me read out the actual newspaper clipping that

802
00:44:31,241 --> 00:44:34,441
Speaker 2: went into this England magazine.

803
00:44:35,241 --> 00:44:37,081
Speaker 1: It's called passport Holder.

804
00:44:37,761 --> 00:44:41,761
Speaker 2: Sir, I recently purchased an interesting document at a market

805
00:44:41,881 --> 00:44:45,481
Speaker 2: in Evandale and Tasmania which might be a treasure item

806
00:44:45,641 --> 00:44:48,641
Speaker 2: for one of your readers. The document is an English

807
00:44:48,801 --> 00:44:53,681
Speaker 2: passport issued in nineteen nineteen to a Miss Elaine Irene Edwards.

808
00:44:54,321 --> 00:44:58,801
Speaker 2: She was born in Cheshire on the sixth of September

809
00:44:59,041 --> 00:45:01,641
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight. I have enclosed a copy of the

810
00:45:01,721 --> 00:45:05,961
Speaker 2: picture inside Sea below. The passport provides evidence of her

811
00:45:06,041 --> 00:45:10,121
Speaker 2: travels in Europe from nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty four.

812
00:45:10,561 --> 00:45:13,681
Speaker 2: I keep wondering who she was and why her passport

813
00:45:13,801 --> 00:45:16,961
Speaker 2: should end up at a country market in Tasmania. So

814
00:45:17,161 --> 00:45:20,241
Speaker 2: many years later. I wonder if she might be the

815
00:45:20,401 --> 00:45:23,841
Speaker 2: ancestor of one of your readers. If so, perhaps the

816
00:45:23,921 --> 00:45:28,041
Speaker 2: passport will fill in some information in terms of family history.

817
00:45:28,561 --> 00:45:32,241
Speaker 2: If anyone has a particular association with this lady, I

818
00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:35,881
Speaker 2: would like to hear from them. I thought, gosh, that

819
00:45:36,081 --> 00:45:41,841
Speaker 2: is just crazy, and Janie and I belined it for

820
00:45:41,961 --> 00:45:44,241
Speaker 2: the house. We wanted to go and see this house

821
00:45:44,281 --> 00:45:48,201
Speaker 2: in Burwash for ourselves, and we put it in the

822
00:45:48,281 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: GPS and off we went.

823
00:45:50,561 --> 00:45:53,001
Speaker 1: Okay, so I've just tried ringing.

824
00:45:56,281 --> 00:45:59,761
Speaker 2: They're not at work, so that's probably good to ring.

825
00:45:59,921 --> 00:46:03,401
Speaker 1: It's out of our way, affair. Bit, we're going to

826
00:46:03,441 --> 00:46:05,281
Speaker 1: brave it and we're going to try to find into

827
00:46:05,321 --> 00:46:09,401
Speaker 1: the barn. Yeah, because there's no actual there's no.

828
00:46:11,321 --> 00:46:14,361
Speaker 6: Number associated, like, there's no clues as to where it is.

829
00:46:16,121 --> 00:46:18,801
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Johnny, I'm completely spun out

830
00:46:19,521 --> 00:46:21,721
Speaker 2: at how isolated this is.

831
00:46:24,681 --> 00:46:26,001
Speaker 1: It is in the middle of nowhere.

832
00:46:28,561 --> 00:46:37,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be another house, that's Modeston House. Yeah, and

833
00:46:37,401 --> 00:46:39,761
Speaker 3: then if you keep on going, we're looking for the barn.

834
00:46:41,801 --> 00:46:48,241
Speaker 1: So that's Modeston Manor, which is who are these people.

835
00:46:50,001 --> 00:46:55,361
Speaker 2: Saying that residant access maximum widely. Hello, how are you

836
00:46:55,921 --> 00:46:56,281
Speaker 2: very well?

837
00:46:56,761 --> 00:46:57,481
Speaker 1: Very unusual.

838
00:46:57,601 --> 00:47:01,841
Speaker 3: We're from Australia and we are driving, but we're not lost.

839
00:47:02,401 --> 00:47:05,161
Speaker 1: I'm looking for so you need to get back on

840
00:47:05,241 --> 00:47:08,241
Speaker 1: the track. Okay, right and right.

841
00:47:08,601 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: Yes, they're in the in a barn.

842
00:47:10,961 --> 00:47:13,921
Speaker 1: They're in a barn and it's a stone barn. Yes,

843
00:47:14,161 --> 00:47:16,361
Speaker 1: and it's just before you go right up the hill.

844
00:47:16,401 --> 00:47:18,081
Speaker 1: It's just before you get to the top of hill

845
00:47:18,201 --> 00:47:18,761
Speaker 1: on the left.

846
00:47:19,041 --> 00:47:20,921
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, I've got it.

847
00:47:21,241 --> 00:47:26,201
Speaker 1: What red postbooks and it's behind there.

848
00:47:29,081 --> 00:47:37,601
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you very much, thank you.

849
00:47:39,041 --> 00:47:51,041
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's there. I hit the concrete mixer, Sally. This

850
00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:52,121
Speaker 1: is weather for ducks.

851
00:47:55,481 --> 00:48:00,001
Speaker 9: Yes, thanks, They probably just live here, probably coming to

852
00:48:00,081 --> 00:48:07,401
Speaker 9: the barn, the barn. I love how you tell everyone

853
00:48:07,441 --> 00:48:07,961
Speaker 9: for from.

854
00:48:07,801 --> 00:48:14,641
Speaker 3: Australia, Australia and in these people and indeed people tell you.

855
00:48:14,721 --> 00:48:28,241
Speaker 1: I feel okay, how brilliant was that? The quinamber is?

856
00:48:29,521 --> 00:48:34,361
Speaker 1: What a pretty house from this side? What a hobble?

857
00:48:35,481 --> 00:48:35,841
Speaker 1: All right?

858
00:48:36,001 --> 00:48:36,601
Speaker 5: So you have.

859
00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:41,721
Speaker 7: Go in, yeah, like party with me?

860
00:48:42,801 --> 00:48:43,241
Speaker 2: M hm.

861
00:48:45,961 --> 00:48:52,241
Speaker 7: A whole back mm HMM's.

862
00:48:53,721 --> 00:48:58,721
Speaker 3: What yep? So okay, all right, okay, I'll forget the

863
00:48:59,081 --> 00:49:00,121
Speaker 3: umbrella out of the booth.

864
00:49:16,641 --> 00:49:20,561
Speaker 6: Where not where women, We've got families, et cetera. Okay,

865
00:49:20,721 --> 00:49:24,001
Speaker 6: So the short of it is, in the early nineteen

866
00:49:24,161 --> 00:49:29,241
Speaker 6: eighties there was a bloke who lived in Modeston Lodge

867
00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,041
Speaker 6: named Frederick Dehead of Berry. He had Diane and was

868
00:49:34,121 --> 00:49:36,121
Speaker 6: his wife, and Mattiaan David were the kids.

869
00:49:36,481 --> 00:49:39,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you know them? Do you know that?

870
00:49:39,521 --> 00:49:42,641
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I know Diane, I mean yes, okay, yeah,

871
00:49:42,681 --> 00:49:42,961
Speaker 2: you were.

872
00:49:42,961 --> 00:49:44,961
Speaker 1: Quite young anyway, so you're probably think and what have

873
00:49:45,041 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: we got to do with it now?

874
00:49:47,201 --> 00:49:49,561
Speaker 3: Rick, So, Diane's husband, Frederick.

875
00:49:50,441 --> 00:49:54,441
Speaker 6: Sally's mother is a missing person twenty seven years missing,

876
00:49:55,441 --> 00:49:56,881
Speaker 6: and Rick has been.

877
00:49:56,841 --> 00:50:00,681
Speaker 1: In court as significant.

878
00:50:00,121 --> 00:50:04,281
Speaker 3: Of interest in Sally's mother's missingness.

879
00:50:05,361 --> 00:50:06,121
Speaker 1: Seven years ago.

880
00:50:07,281 --> 00:50:10,881
Speaker 3: We have found a passport of Elaine.

881
00:50:11,241 --> 00:50:17,001
Speaker 1: So your grandmother, okay, is Elaine? Your grandmother? Is a

882
00:50:17,041 --> 00:50:18,721
Speaker 1: great grandmother, mother or great grandma?

883
00:50:19,481 --> 00:50:21,321
Speaker 3: I don't think so, Elaine.

884
00:50:23,441 --> 00:50:24,041
Speaker 1: I'll show.

885
00:50:25,761 --> 00:50:27,641
Speaker 3: So Elaine Irene Edwards.

886
00:50:29,841 --> 00:50:31,321
Speaker 1: I don't recognize that, but yes it could.

887
00:50:32,481 --> 00:50:32,681
Speaker 2: Yeah.

888
00:50:33,241 --> 00:50:37,721
Speaker 3: So her passport was found in Tasmania.

889
00:50:37,441 --> 00:50:42,321
Speaker 2: In Australia, Okay, So, and it was sold to a

890
00:50:42,441 --> 00:50:45,921
Speaker 2: man at a car boot sale. All these documents and

891
00:50:46,081 --> 00:50:48,601
Speaker 2: Elaine lived in the same house as where Rick and

892
00:50:48,681 --> 00:50:51,241
Speaker 2: Diane lived when they lived here, so we feel like.

893
00:50:52,761 --> 00:50:56,081
Speaker 6: Yes, we're just wondering if you knew anything of that

894
00:50:56,321 --> 00:50:58,921
Speaker 6: time and any memories of him.

895
00:50:59,041 --> 00:51:01,801
Speaker 1: So it was just really Diane that you you remember

896
00:51:03,121 --> 00:51:04,281
Speaker 1: her own for quite a while.

897
00:51:04,161 --> 00:51:04,601
Speaker 2: I think.

898
00:51:07,801 --> 00:51:09,881
Speaker 1: Because the kids are running little they.

899
00:51:09,801 --> 00:51:14,841
Speaker 6: Were tiny kids talk Yeah right, yeah, when was this

900
00:51:15,361 --> 00:51:19,441
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty four? I mean I really,

901
00:51:19,561 --> 00:51:21,761
Speaker 6: I mean I know, I mean I know the name,

902
00:51:22,001 --> 00:51:25,241
Speaker 6: and I would say I know, and I think I

903
00:51:25,361 --> 00:51:26,601
Speaker 6: thought Diane lived there alone.

904
00:51:26,961 --> 00:51:30,121
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anyone else was there?

905
00:51:30,281 --> 00:51:30,441
Speaker 7: Was her?

906
00:51:30,721 --> 00:51:31,081
Speaker 6: Was he did?

907
00:51:31,121 --> 00:51:31,161
Speaker 5: He?

908
00:51:31,521 --> 00:51:32,361
Speaker 1: Was he a DeepC diver?

909
00:51:32,561 --> 00:51:33,241
Speaker 2: Was that was that?

910
00:51:34,121 --> 00:51:35,561
Speaker 1: I thought there was someone who lived there.

911
00:51:35,881 --> 00:51:37,361
Speaker 3: His husband used to go from work on the.

912
00:51:37,361 --> 00:51:40,081
Speaker 1: Old maybe yeah, maybe yeah.

913
00:51:40,441 --> 00:51:43,361
Speaker 6: Well he was a coin dealer, ancient coin dealer, and

914
00:51:43,481 --> 00:51:48,441
Speaker 6: he also ran furniture between the UK and Belgium and Luxeburg,

915
00:51:49,201 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 6: so he had a family finisher business over there.

916
00:51:52,161 --> 00:51:54,841
Speaker 2: So I mean, I really don't remember him.

917
00:51:54,961 --> 00:51:56,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, you're only two.

918
00:52:01,441 --> 00:52:03,721
Speaker 4: So as we left, we made a quick detour to

919
00:52:03,801 --> 00:52:07,721
Speaker 4: an house house to be a lady called Marian, who

920
00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:13,681
Speaker 4: told Christina that she remembered Marian Barta, Sally's mum. Staying

921
00:52:13,721 --> 00:52:17,361
Speaker 4: with her in nineteen ninety seven. She said that she

922
00:52:17,521 --> 00:52:20,281
Speaker 4: remembered it because they shared the same name, so it

923
00:52:20,441 --> 00:52:23,521
Speaker 4: kind of stuck out to her for that reason. And

924
00:52:23,761 --> 00:52:27,601
Speaker 4: so we drove up this beautiful road going up to

925
00:52:27,721 --> 00:52:31,521
Speaker 4: her house, and I could see you being involved with

926
00:52:31,641 --> 00:52:32,601
Speaker 4: horses myself.

927
00:52:32,801 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: I could see that she was anxious to get away

928
00:52:36,521 --> 00:52:37,441
Speaker 3: to do her feeds.

929
00:52:37,721 --> 00:52:38,921
Speaker 1: So I sort of understood that.

930
00:52:39,121 --> 00:52:44,201
Speaker 4: But yes, it was a very interesting little conversation, wasn't itself.

931
00:52:46,561 --> 00:52:48,361
Speaker 1: It took us quite a while to get there too.

932
00:52:48,561 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: It was right off the beaten track, and we arrive

933
00:52:52,561 --> 00:52:56,601
Speaker 2: and you see the beautiful outhouses. They've got the beautiful

934
00:52:56,921 --> 00:53:03,361
Speaker 2: cylindrical triangular roofs and the beautiful shingled sort of finishes

935
00:53:03,441 --> 00:53:04,401
Speaker 2: exteriors to those.

936
00:53:05,241 --> 00:53:11,441
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. And we arrived and I was quite surprised.

937
00:53:11,521 --> 00:53:14,441
Speaker 2: We had coversed with her a little bit, and she

938
00:53:14,721 --> 00:53:19,841
Speaker 2: was very friendly and very accommodating, and she had come

939
00:53:19,921 --> 00:53:22,601
Speaker 2: across a little bit blunt to us, I would say.

940
00:53:22,681 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: When we got there, she sort of just turned around

941
00:53:25,561 --> 00:53:28,041
Speaker 2: and said to me straight out, you're never going to

942
00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:31,521
Speaker 2: find her. And that caught me off guard a little bit.

943
00:53:31,641 --> 00:53:34,041
Speaker 2: I was quite shocked. By the way she said that

944
00:53:34,201 --> 00:53:34,761
Speaker 2: she had no.

945
00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:40,041
Speaker 1: I don't know. Her body language was a little off.

946
00:53:40,401 --> 00:53:40,801
Speaker 1: I don't know.

947
00:53:41,321 --> 00:53:43,401
Speaker 2: It was simply like she just didn't care, like she

948
00:53:43,561 --> 00:53:46,041
Speaker 2: really didn't want to talk to me. So we just

949
00:53:46,401 --> 00:53:48,401
Speaker 2: I didn't want to upset her, so we just pretty

950
00:53:48,481 --> 00:53:50,561
Speaker 2: much got in the car and left. But one of

951
00:53:50,601 --> 00:53:53,081
Speaker 2: the things I wanted to mention, just for clarity, so

952
00:53:53,161 --> 00:53:56,401
Speaker 2: she'd actually told Christina that she remembered my mom because

953
00:53:56,481 --> 00:53:57,961
Speaker 2: my mom had the same name.

954
00:53:58,481 --> 00:53:59,681
Speaker 1: When she stayed with her.

955
00:54:00,241 --> 00:54:02,881
Speaker 2: She had told us that she remembered my mom because

956
00:54:02,921 --> 00:54:07,441
Speaker 2: she had booked online. And that sort of stopped me

957
00:54:07,521 --> 00:54:10,681
Speaker 2: in my tracks with this information, because if we go

958
00:54:10,801 --> 00:54:13,641
Speaker 2: back to nineteen ninety seven, there was no online booking

959
00:54:13,721 --> 00:54:17,961
Speaker 2: agencies for travel agents back then, so I think she

960
00:54:18,081 --> 00:54:18,361
Speaker 2: might have.

961
00:54:18,401 --> 00:54:19,601
Speaker 1: Got a little bit confused.

962
00:54:19,841 --> 00:54:22,921
Speaker 2: But it's still important to go and see these people,

963
00:54:23,241 --> 00:54:26,521
Speaker 2: and you know, as we've spoken a lot through this podcast,

964
00:54:26,721 --> 00:54:29,721
Speaker 2: it's important to front up and meet people in person

965
00:54:29,921 --> 00:54:32,881
Speaker 2: because I'm the daughter of this person who is missing.

966
00:54:32,961 --> 00:54:36,361
Speaker 2: And sometimes there is an element that brings it to

967
00:54:36,721 --> 00:54:40,281
Speaker 2: a sort of a bit more of a real scenario

968
00:54:40,521 --> 00:54:42,561
Speaker 2: rather than just reading about it in a letter or

969
00:54:42,681 --> 00:54:45,641
Speaker 2: reading about it on a post on Facebook. It just

970
00:54:45,801 --> 00:54:50,561
Speaker 2: puts the prospective right slam into the mix. Okay, So

971
00:54:50,641 --> 00:54:55,081
Speaker 2: the next morning we caught up with another lovely local lady, Michelle,

972
00:54:55,201 --> 00:54:58,801
Speaker 2: for breakfast, where I had the most divine hot chocolate.

973
00:54:59,401 --> 00:55:01,761
Speaker 2: It's a bit over having so many coffees. Yeah, we

974
00:55:02,041 --> 00:55:05,601
Speaker 2: ate breakfast before heading up to Kent Police to go

975
00:55:05,721 --> 00:55:06,681
Speaker 2: and see them.

976
00:55:06,881 --> 00:55:10,441
Speaker 4: Yes, And of course, amazingly enough, as we're walking up

977
00:55:10,481 --> 00:55:13,561
Speaker 4: to Kent Police Station, of course they had the red

978
00:55:13,681 --> 00:55:17,681
Speaker 4: carpet rolled out ready for the Sally Layden to come

979
00:55:17,761 --> 00:55:20,681
Speaker 4: in and had the door open. They had their white

980
00:55:20,721 --> 00:55:23,801
Speaker 4: gloves on with their little hat and they already No,

981
00:55:25,481 --> 00:55:28,921
Speaker 4: the door was well and truly locked, bolted shut.

982
00:55:29,641 --> 00:55:32,521
Speaker 3: They were closed. Won't they sell another.

983
00:55:32,281 --> 00:55:35,081
Speaker 1: Big a four piece of paper explaining that they were

984
00:55:35,161 --> 00:55:39,641
Speaker 1: shut for the day. I was like, this is not happening.

985
00:55:39,961 --> 00:55:44,161
Speaker 1: This is not happening. Oh my goodness.

986
00:55:44,721 --> 00:55:47,841
Speaker 2: Anyway, if you don't laugh, you will cry. It's really

987
00:55:47,921 --> 00:55:52,161
Speaker 2: a case of I just yeah, I had no. I

988
00:55:52,241 --> 00:55:55,841
Speaker 2: had nothing to say, really, but I did. I was

989
00:55:55,921 --> 00:55:59,241
Speaker 2: sitting there and I noticed next to the door there

990
00:55:59,361 --> 00:56:01,961
Speaker 2: was a yellow phone. I'm just going to give you

991
00:56:02,041 --> 00:56:04,801
Speaker 2: the idea. The phone is out in the elements any

992
00:56:04,841 --> 00:56:07,041
Speaker 2: per and can pick this phone up and have a chat.

993
00:56:08,041 --> 00:56:10,961
Speaker 2: It was pretty grotty. So anyway, I walk over to

994
00:56:11,081 --> 00:56:15,601
Speaker 2: it and it gave you an option to call if

995
00:56:15,641 --> 00:56:18,081
Speaker 2: you wanted to speak to the police. So I picked

996
00:56:18,121 --> 00:56:19,761
Speaker 2: it up and I called the number.

997
00:56:21,721 --> 00:56:23,721
Speaker 1: It was so disgusting. I'm saying to Jonie, have you

998
00:56:24,001 --> 00:56:25,161
Speaker 1: have you got a wipe? Have you got a wipe?

999
00:56:25,201 --> 00:56:27,321
Speaker 2: Give me a wipe quickly and I'll wipe the phone

1000
00:56:27,321 --> 00:56:29,801
Speaker 2: because I just and I'm holding it with the wipe

1001
00:56:29,841 --> 00:56:31,681
Speaker 2: away from my head because it.

1002
00:56:32,081 --> 00:56:35,761
Speaker 4: Was you were literally holding it with two fingers because

1003
00:56:35,841 --> 00:56:37,561
Speaker 4: he didn't want to go anywhere near.

1004
00:56:38,241 --> 00:56:39,481
Speaker 1: It was disgusting.

1005
00:56:40,561 --> 00:56:43,961
Speaker 2: And Jonie's laughing her head off at me at this point,

1006
00:56:44,961 --> 00:56:48,561
Speaker 2: and I was like, right, whatever, this is just crazy.

1007
00:56:48,681 --> 00:56:49,961
Speaker 1: Anyway, So to my.

1008
00:56:50,081 --> 00:56:53,801
Speaker 2: Surprise, a lovely lady answered the phone and we were

1009
00:56:53,881 --> 00:56:56,881
Speaker 2: talking and she asked me for my phone number.

1010
00:56:57,041 --> 00:57:02,521
Speaker 1: She asked me for details, and then the phone cut out.

1011
00:57:03,441 --> 00:57:06,441
Speaker 2: So we're standing there going, hey, all right, Well we

1012
00:57:06,481 --> 00:57:09,161
Speaker 2: didn't really get any answers. She had told me that

1013
00:57:09,841 --> 00:57:12,361
Speaker 2: they had no record of my mum at camp police,

1014
00:57:12,441 --> 00:57:16,201
Speaker 2: even though I sat in there five years before and

1015
00:57:16,361 --> 00:57:19,321
Speaker 2: gave them all the details. They had nothing on record

1016
00:57:19,441 --> 00:57:21,921
Speaker 2: at all for my mum, so that would tell me

1017
00:57:22,241 --> 00:57:25,681
Speaker 2: that New Southwest Police had not also given them a

1018
00:57:25,801 --> 00:57:29,281
Speaker 2: file or a detailed report about my mom, because otherwise

1019
00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:30,001
Speaker 2: they would have had it.

1020
00:57:30,801 --> 00:57:33,241
Speaker 1: So she's given me an event number and an email

1021
00:57:33,361 --> 00:57:36,161
Speaker 1: for me to email her. Anyway. Jonie and I are

1022
00:57:36,161 --> 00:57:38,281
Speaker 1: standing there, We're like, what do we do? Now? Where

1023
00:57:38,321 --> 00:57:40,721
Speaker 1: do we go? What are we going to do? And

1024
00:57:41,881 --> 00:57:43,201
Speaker 1: the phone starts ringing.

1025
00:57:44,001 --> 00:57:46,641
Speaker 2: It was it was wild. I could not fathom. And

1026
00:57:47,601 --> 00:57:49,841
Speaker 2: I'm standing there and I answered the phone and she

1027
00:57:50,001 --> 00:57:54,001
Speaker 2: goes Sally and I went, oh, Hi, it's Sally later

1028
00:57:54,041 --> 00:57:56,321
Speaker 2: and on the phone and you're the phone.

1029
00:57:57,161 --> 00:58:00,761
Speaker 1: It's just something like out of Batman and Robin. I

1030
00:58:01,001 --> 00:58:03,001
Speaker 1: just the batphone was ringing. I pick it up.

1031
00:58:03,041 --> 00:58:05,921
Speaker 2: She goes, hi, Sally, and I'm like, yes, yes, it's me,

1032
00:58:06,321 --> 00:58:08,401
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hello, and she guys, I just.

1033
00:58:08,401 --> 00:58:11,681
Speaker 1: Tried to call you on your mobile. I couldn't get through.

1034
00:58:11,881 --> 00:58:14,401
Speaker 2: So maybe we had discussions about that, maybe being with

1035
00:58:14,481 --> 00:58:16,961
Speaker 2: the international codes and all that sort of jazz, but

1036
00:58:17,601 --> 00:58:20,881
Speaker 2: absolutely bizarre. I felt like I was in a movie

1037
00:58:21,001 --> 00:58:24,081
Speaker 2: with the payphone ringing and me answering it and the

1038
00:58:24,161 --> 00:58:27,281
Speaker 2: lady saying Sally, you know, it was just the wildest

1039
00:58:27,361 --> 00:58:30,281
Speaker 2: thing ever. And of course you know, how else would

1040
00:58:30,321 --> 00:58:32,721
Speaker 2: it be for me in Tunbridge Wells than to have

1041
00:58:32,841 --> 00:58:34,561
Speaker 2: those experiences.

1042
00:58:40,681 --> 00:58:47,561
Speaker 1: TNT options they were here. It's not upstairs or something

1043
00:58:47,601 --> 00:58:50,161
Speaker 1: that was the back and break down.

1044
00:58:52,201 --> 00:58:55,481
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thank you for your thank you.

1045
00:59:03,881 --> 00:59:08,281
Speaker 8: Well she's sent to as such anymore. But we have

1046
00:59:08,761 --> 00:59:12,601
Speaker 8: a museum and library. Oh which might they have which

1047
00:59:12,641 --> 00:59:15,841
Speaker 8: is that building there? They have like an interactive board

1048
00:59:16,001 --> 00:59:17,721
Speaker 8: so that you can kind of touch and it shows

1049
00:59:17,761 --> 00:59:21,201
Speaker 8: you how things are after COVID. The baby went and

1050
00:59:21,321 --> 00:59:24,121
Speaker 8: never came back and it's never been reopened. Oh so,

1051
00:59:24,321 --> 00:59:26,521
Speaker 8: but they'll have maps and sort of they think they

1052
00:59:26,561 --> 00:59:28,081
Speaker 8: can give you'll be in that building.

1053
00:59:29,321 --> 00:59:35,921
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're actually after archives. Do you listen to podcasts? Yes, do, Jim,

1054
00:59:36,001 --> 00:59:37,201
Speaker 1: I'll give you one of my cards.

1055
00:59:37,281 --> 00:59:37,601
Speaker 5: This is.

1056
00:59:39,761 --> 00:59:43,321
Speaker 2: The podcast is called The Lady Banishers And that's me

1057
00:59:43,601 --> 00:59:47,761
Speaker 2: that I'm Sadly my mom is married and that's that's

1058
00:59:47,841 --> 00:59:48,201
Speaker 2: my mum.

1059
00:59:48,561 --> 00:59:48,761
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1060
00:59:49,961 --> 00:59:52,361
Speaker 2: So she's fifty one when she went missing. I'm fifty

1061
00:59:52,401 --> 00:59:53,361
Speaker 2: one myself now.

1062
00:59:54,041 --> 00:59:57,201
Speaker 4: So there was the last stop before we headed to

1063
00:59:57,281 --> 01:00:00,281
Speaker 4: the airport, which was to have lunch with a lovely

1064
01:00:00,401 --> 01:00:04,041
Speaker 4: gentleman named Paul Kent when his wife. So we walked

1065
01:00:04,121 --> 01:00:07,281
Speaker 4: up that long he'll remember, and we went to this

1066
01:00:07,441 --> 01:00:10,401
Speaker 4: beautiful restaurant which had a little sort of bar area

1067
01:00:10,481 --> 01:00:13,201
Speaker 4: that was cut into like a little cave as you

1068
01:00:13,281 --> 01:00:16,681
Speaker 4: walk through, and it was a beautiful view. And that

1069
01:00:16,881 --> 01:00:18,961
Speaker 4: was really nice, wasn't it, just to have a nice

1070
01:00:19,081 --> 01:00:21,361
Speaker 4: lunch with Paul. Paul's put a lot of effort in

1071
01:00:21,481 --> 01:00:24,921
Speaker 4: as well. He's really tried hard to get as much

1072
01:00:25,041 --> 01:00:27,481
Speaker 4: information in that local area as possible.

1073
01:00:27,601 --> 01:00:29,081
Speaker 1: So that was lovely to.

1074
01:00:29,681 --> 01:00:32,961
Speaker 4: See him and to meet him in person and to

1075
01:00:33,041 --> 01:00:35,761
Speaker 4: say thank you, and it was it was just really

1076
01:00:35,881 --> 01:00:39,001
Speaker 4: lovely again to be with someone who's been so dedicated

1077
01:00:39,641 --> 01:00:41,761
Speaker 4: to the case of you're missing.

1078
01:00:41,561 --> 01:00:43,961
Speaker 1: Mum Marian over many many years.

1079
01:00:44,881 --> 01:00:47,641
Speaker 2: So we left the car in the car park where

1080
01:00:47,681 --> 01:00:49,961
Speaker 2: we were and headed up to go and see them.

1081
01:00:50,001 --> 01:00:53,241
Speaker 2: And it was nice just to show my gratitude, shout

1082
01:00:53,281 --> 01:00:55,561
Speaker 2: them a meal, say thank you so much for all

1083
01:00:55,601 --> 01:00:58,321
Speaker 2: the work that he's done. He's done TV as well

1084
01:00:58,401 --> 01:01:01,481
Speaker 2: over there and articles in papers. We left him with

1085
01:01:01,521 --> 01:01:04,161
Speaker 2: a few tasks to do when we left, But life

1086
01:01:04,201 --> 01:01:07,241
Speaker 2: gets busy, and understand that, you know, people have lots

1087
01:01:07,281 --> 01:01:09,841
Speaker 2: of things to do. So this is just this is

1088
01:01:09,961 --> 01:01:12,801
Speaker 2: just a long slow burn that we're doing now where

1089
01:01:12,841 --> 01:01:18,561
Speaker 2: we're just filling in the gaps, looking up, emailing, contacting people,

1090
01:01:19,121 --> 01:01:20,921
Speaker 2: trying to get as much as we possibly can. And

1091
01:01:21,481 --> 01:01:24,121
Speaker 2: you know, for me, you know, I'd just like to

1092
01:01:24,201 --> 01:01:27,601
Speaker 2: personally say thank you to everybody who's followed along on

1093
01:01:27,721 --> 01:01:31,441
Speaker 2: the journey with me. The missing do matter, and I

1094
01:01:31,721 --> 01:01:36,041
Speaker 2: keep saying that because it doesn't matter how they went missing,

1095
01:01:36,681 --> 01:01:39,841
Speaker 2: if they're male or female, a mother or a father,

1096
01:01:40,361 --> 01:01:44,321
Speaker 2: a sister or a brother, they all count. And unfortunately

1097
01:01:44,481 --> 01:01:49,601
Speaker 2: resources are so slim within all police services throughout the world.

1098
01:01:50,001 --> 01:01:54,001
Speaker 2: It comes down to good people like you all, like Joonie,

1099
01:01:54,881 --> 01:01:59,161
Speaker 2: like Paul, like Tom Riddell, the likes of David Murray,

1100
01:01:59,281 --> 01:02:03,521
Speaker 2: doing articles in the Australian, like Channel seven doing a

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01:02:03,601 --> 01:02:07,241
Speaker 2: podcast for Caught for us for over five years to

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Speaker 2: make awareness and bring awareness to this space. So I

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Speaker 2: personally just love to say thank you so much to everybody.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Jonie for joining me in doing this. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure this is not the last everyone's going to hear

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Speaker 2: from us. There might be a few bonus episodes that

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Speaker 2: we throw in the mix in the near future, but

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Speaker 2: I just want to end by saying in a recent

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Speaker 2: interview I did with Gary Jubilin, he.

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Speaker 1: Asked me, why do you keep going? Sally? But tell

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Speaker 1: my audience on his Catch Killers podcast, way is it

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Speaker 1: that you're keeping on going? What's driving you?

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Speaker 2: And you know, I don't get lists of questions before

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Speaker 2: I go and do some of these interviews, and it

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Speaker 2: catches me off guard. Sometimes I'm like, I don't really,

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Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that like that. I don't just

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Speaker 2: want to give an off the cuff answer, And walking

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Speaker 2: away from that interview, I thought about why am I

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Speaker 2: keeping on going? And I'm going to be really raw

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Speaker 2: here and tell you all, I feel like I'm a

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Speaker 2: little terrified that if I stop, my mum will be forgotten.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like in my heart, if I keep

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Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing, people will remember her, people will

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Speaker 2: be talking about her, and.

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Speaker 1: It keeps her alive for me. And maybe that's why

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Speaker 1: I keep going.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's why, you know, outside of me wanting

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Speaker 2: justice and pushing for answers and wanting to be able

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Speaker 2: to celebrate her in a memorial, I think that's honestly,

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Speaker 2: what is driving me to keep going is I'm just

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Speaker 2: really fearful that if I stop, she might be forgotten again.

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Speaker 2: Like it's taken me a long time to get to

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Speaker 2: a point where people love her and respect her and

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Speaker 2: understand her and have feelings and care for her, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want that to ever ever go away. So

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Speaker 2: it does put you in a very hard position when

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Speaker 2: you're doing something like what I'm doing. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: trust that you know, she's in a lot of your

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Speaker 2: hearts now and hopefully she'll stay there and we don't

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Speaker 2: have to talk about it every single day, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm really grateful for everyone's care and kindness, so thank you.