WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 July 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.479 Line sharing. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:11.000 Tonight, we have new details on how four protesters managed 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.640 to evade AFP detection and climb up the roof of 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.000 Parliament House, and how they did it will shock you. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.200 But first, what occurred today was an assault on our democracy, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.480 an act of extremism on the nation's capital. Parliament House 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:31.000 in Canberra has been compromised. Pro Hamas sympathizers have invaded 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.479 the building in more ways than one, and our social 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:38.239 cohesion is truly in tatters because of a war happening 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.560 on the other side of the world. It all culminated 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.360 in a major security breach this morning. These protesters climbed 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.960 the roof, shouting anti Semitic insults and unfurling banners with 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:51.960 pro Palestine slogans. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.360 The alban Easy Labour government's persistence of blots for this 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:02.400 genocidal chetla colonial state comes as no Austrailia resignation founded 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.800 among genocide. We will not begin, have we well continued 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.959 to retin for. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.960 More than two hours. These racist banners were on full 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.040 display for the world to see at Australia's home of democracy. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:21.240 And these weren't just ordinary slogans. They had sinister meanings. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.480 But that upside down red triangle is Hamas symbology that 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.039 is supposed to indicate IDF targets and Israeli targets in 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.400 the context of the war in Israel and Gaza, and 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.800 for that to be appropriated on our parliament, hung from 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.000 the front of our parliament is a disturbing And what we. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:43.520 Saw up there was support for Hamas. Hamas killed more 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.959 than one thousand Jews, the biggest single loss of Israeli 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.800 life since the Holocaust on October seventh last year. That 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.080 is a fact. And so to see this here, it's 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:52.880 really discussing. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.920 Yeah, they were pro Hamas slogans and this is meant 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.840 to be a safe space, yet it's taling Jews. They're 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:03.680 not welcome. What an appalling act and an even more 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.239 frightening breach of security. It's now been revealed exactly how 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.640 they did it. Australian Federal Police has confirmed the group 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.440 used diversionary tactics like calling in false protests at other 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:21.560 locations to throw off police so they could invade the building. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:30.440 There are some some actual deliberate actions that these particular 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:35.440 this particular group has taken I premeditated to use diversionary 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:41.120 tactics and move very very quickly. But we did also 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.760 have some false phone calls of other protests happening at 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.919 nearby areas that did not occur. So there was not 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:54.600 only was there diversionary efforts at Parliament House, but there 0:02:54.800 --> 0:03:00.240 was on diverting AFP resources to other areas. This is 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.280 quite what I would call a criminal act, hence the 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.799 four arrests and the charges. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.000 It was that easy. It is unacceptable that this group 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.799 determined to intimidate Jews and inflict fear on Australians could 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.680 get past security, let alone using diversionary tactics to throw 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.560 off police and it worked. It is a complete and 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.320 utter security failure. What would have happened if these people 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.640 were armed or carrying explosives? What sort of a message 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.280 does this center our enemies that our Parliament House is 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.320 so easily accessible. There's some very. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:42.200 Bad people watching this and go now that's interesting. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:44.840 They're there, They got through. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.320 And while security will become or has become a major 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.960 focal point of the investigation, I can't help but wonder 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.200 what on earth is going on in Canberra because the 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.840 political left actually agree with the anti submitted statements on 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.520 display by protesters look no further than the Greens, the 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.920 most UnAustralian party in our history. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.760 I do support and have participated in the change from 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.920 the River to this sea. This is something that I 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.440 think supporters of Palestine are very clear about. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.520 Even thinking solo the Greens, as we know support of 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.640 the pro Palestine vandalism of our nation's war memorial. And 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.800 then there's Labors rat in the ranks, Fatima Payman, who 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.320 today finally quit the party to sit on the cross bench. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:39.880 The ongoing genocide in Gaza is a tragedy of unimaginable proportions. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.080 We have all seen the bloodied images of young children 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:51.080 losing limbs, being amputated with our anesthetics and starving. As 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:55.760 Israel continues, It's onslaught live streamed across the world. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.200 No mention of the hostages or the slaughter of Jews 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.720 on October set. It makes no sense how someone who 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:07.159 fled the Taliban in Afghanistan is now criticizing Israel for 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.599 defending itself against Hummas. And when asked about the phrase 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:13.200 from the River to the Sea. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.520 Front of Parliament today there was a sign saying from 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.279 the River to the sea, Palestine will be free. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.400 What does that phrase mean to you? 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.120 So for me, that phrase is a call to freedom 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:30.400 from injustice, freedom from occupation, freedom from inequality, and it's 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.760 a call to be able to live harmoniously. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.120 It's a call for self. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.080 Determination, for liberation of the Palestinians. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.719 There's nothing harmonious about it. It calls for the destruction 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:48.080 of Israel. And here was the alleged outfit on display 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:52.880 by Greens turned independent Lydia Thorpe at last night's Midwinter Ball. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.719 I'll let the pictures speak for themselves now. The Prime 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.240 Minister condemned today's protests, but he failed to identify the 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:02.960 common theme. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.159 Peaceful protest has an important place in our society. But 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.200 this was not a peaceful protest. These actions have done 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.400 absolutely nothing to advance any cause. Indeed, they have hurt 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:22.080 the cause that those engaged in this reckless activity believe 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:23.440 they are advancing. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.040 Peter Dutton showed him how to do it. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.480 Rivets of the Sea is a statement about wiping out, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.800 eliminating a race of people. Let's be very clear about it. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.280 There's been a lot of debate in this place about 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.719 how that might work and whether those words have a 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.719 different form of meaning or perhaps they can be justified 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.000 in some way or other. They can't be, and they 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:44.560 never will be. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.440 The religious fractures that have been bubbling away in Australia 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.760 since October seven have tipped over into Parliament House inside 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.240 the walls and now on the outside. Not even our 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.599 nation's capital is safe anymore, and it's dividing society more 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.000 than ever. One thing's for sure. Hamas would be looking 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:11.880 at Canberra right now and smiling. These protesters are emboldened 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.760 by the Labor government. We have seen this with anti 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.240 Semitism in the country being allowed to flourish. Once the 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.880 horse has bolted, there's no going back because it has 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.920 been allowed to go on for so long it's now 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.160 impossible to crack down. And what sort of a message 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:31.000 does it send pro Hamas protesters when the Albenzi government 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:35.120 hauls in Israel's ambassador for a dressing down over his 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.120 country's war in the Middle East and they send in 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.720 a junior Burger minister to do it. More on that 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:45.280 in a moment. Israeli ambassador Amir Mahmon was formally summoned 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.480 to a meeting in Canberra ten days ago and warned 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.520 that the Jewish state could not expect Australia's support if 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.680 it goes to war against Hesbala in southern Lebanon. What 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.560 an appalling move, as Israel desperately for its own survival 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.320 and as it faces a conflict now on all fronts. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.840 There are fears of a tip for tat response by HESBLA, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.480 which Australia lists as a terror organization, and since the 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.360 conflict began, sixty thousand Israelis have been forced to flee 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.640 northern Israel due to attacks from the Iran Bat terror group. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.400 Yet in the event of Israel having to protect its 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:28.680 citizens from yet another terror group, Australia has told the ambassador, well, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.720 don't expect our support. They want Israel to just down 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.120 tools and just simply walk away. And let's not forget 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.040 it was Harmas who started this war, not Israel. Now 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.199 formally summoning an ambassador is considered considered a serious step 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.920 in the diplomatic world. Given the gravity of such an 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.280 important message that Labor chose to convey, well, you'd think 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.160 they would send in the Foreign Minister Pennywong to deliver 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.720 it personally, but in fact it was not delivered by 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:02.960 Foreign Minister Pennywong was left to Miswong's underling, Assistant Minister 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:09.320 Tim Watts, how appalling Israel's ambassador wasn't even given the 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.360 courtesy of a visit by Penny Wong in person. It 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.600 is a slap in the face to Jewish Australians and Israel, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.679 who has been an important ally from the Anzac kissin 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.400 Besheba in nineteen seventeen which ultimately helped create the state 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.160 of Israel to the present day. I mean Israel has 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.600 supported Australia, not to mention the important contribution of Jewish 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.800 Australians in this country, but that's all been ripped to 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.920 shreds over the course of the last nine months by Labor. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.120 It's betrayed Israel and emboldened the anti Semitism like what 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.240 we saw today at Parliament House. 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.960 The Foreign Minister Pennywong needs to step up today and 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.480 explain exactly what it was that her assistant Minister Tim 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.840 Watts meant when he hauled in the Israeli ambassador and 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.600 told him that if our friend and ally Israel found 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.160 itself in a war with his Belah, a listed terroist organization, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.640 that they could not count on our support. That is 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.280 a deeply disturbing revelation. Hezblah has been attacking northern Israel 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.760 since the seventh of October every day. This is the 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.920 world's best armed terrorist organization. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.760 The relationship between Australia and Israel, once cherished, is under 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.720 more pressure than ever. It's so bad, sources have told 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.840 The Daily Telegraph. Mister Mamm's relationship with Senator Wong has 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.720 been in the freezer for several months. It started with 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.040 a limp response to the burning of the Israeli flag 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.120 on the steps of the Sydney Opera House. Labor rewarded 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:40.439 Hermas by backing Palestinian statehood at the United Nations vote. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.120 It appointed a special advisor to monitor Israel's response to 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.880 its air strikes which killed Australian Zomi frankem And now 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.160 the summoning of the ambassador is a new low. The 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.679 dressing down marks a bad flash point in the relationship. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.280 The horse is well and truly bolted, and I fear 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:03.840 there is no going back. And I'll speak to Shadow 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.040 Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Birmingham, who says this is all 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.920 a mess entirely of the Prime Minister's own making. Also tonight, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:16.840 Democrats in denial standing by President Biden despite serious questions 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.600 over his fitness for the top job. But how long 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.760 can they keep up this facade? And as BRIT's head 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.880 to the polls, Kirstarmer stands on the cusp of one 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.880 of the biggest UK election wins in history. We'll cross 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.760 live to London for the latest. For now, though, let's 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.960 bring in my panel, The Australian's National Affairs Editor Joe 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.920 Kelly and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Hi 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.640 to both of you, Thank you so much for joining us. James. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:45.400 The AFP has confirmed the protesters used diversionary tactics today 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.720 to throw off police. How big of a security fail 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.880 is this, Well, it's. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.240 Pretty clear that Parliament haven't learnt since Bill Heffernan tested 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.440 the security of Parliament House all those years ago when 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.920 he brought in a fake pipe bomb. And this is 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.319 a real concern, not just for the safety of politicians 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.960 who make decisions on our behalf every single day, but 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.760 on any given day the public are in their drives 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:17.199 and I see the first line of attack here affecting 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.960 more so the public and so many school kids that 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.839 thankfully do visit the Parliament. This should send shivers through 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.800 the presiding offices. So Milton Dick here has a big 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.280 task ahead of him as well as the President. Sue 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.760 lyons this would be one of the greatest concerns. I 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.280 was once in the Speaker's office, so I do know 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:42.080 precisely how much security means to these presiding officers, and 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.160 the money that has been spent on this parliament one 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.560 hundred and twenty six million has just been wasted and 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.040 proven to have been wasted in such a short period 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.600 of time. If there's one thing I'll note, Damaki, You've 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.520 been in that Parliament enough. I have seen the change 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.439 in the quality of security guards in that Parliament House. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.920 Upon a time we had strapping men that were securing 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.400 the front doors, securing the entrances also to the Senate 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.440 and to the House of Reps. I see all too 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:19.400 often now more very lean women and men with painted 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:24.400 fingernails and more lead and bolts through their faces than 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.960 ever before. I don't think these people are up to 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.360 the task of being able to defend our parliament House. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.240 And as for the lack of funding that has been 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.760 provided to the AFP, they are the lowest paid police 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.080 in our country, and it is a crying shame that 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.440 our federal politicians and the act government have not done 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:51.240 something to make sure that our federal police officers are 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.360 paid appropriately in this country. They put their line, their 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.280 bodies on the line for the sake of all politicians 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:57.960 and the public. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.480 Well, this is a prime example, isn't it, of why 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.120 there needs to be more funding to prevent something like 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.120 this from ever happening again. Joe, Europe Parliament House at 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.440 the moment you saw it all unfold today, were you 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.000 surprised that this actually was able to happen? 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.680 The sad reality is I was not surprised at all. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.960 And for people who aren't familiar with Parliament House who 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.880 might not work here, I've worked here for nearly fifteen 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.040 years and certainly there's a very casual feeling about most 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.640 things that happen in Parliament House. So James referred to 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:43.200 Bill Hefln's pipe bomb experiment. Well, I remember when I 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.240 was covering the Gillard government, a press conference being conducted 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.880 in Parliament House by the then Prime Minister as effectively 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.920 gate crashed by someone who was able to just simply 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.360 walk into the building and walk into the room where 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.800 the press conference was being conducted. So I think today 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.720 was a serious incident. It should be taken extremely seriously. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.960 These people just jumped over the fence, the security fence 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.800 around Parliament and then marched up to the top of 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.600 the building where they could display their banners and their signs. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.440 And as many people have said over the course of 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.160 the day, we're simply fortunate that there were not even 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:29.160 darker intentions at play. So I think its cause for 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.360 thought to get more serious about how we treat things 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.640 here at Parliament House. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.800 Most certainly absolutely a wake up call, I would say 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.280 for many today. Now look, Fatima Payman has officially confirmed 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.600 her departure from the Labor Party following her suspension over 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.120 repeated defiance of her Palestinian vow. Now the embattled senator 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:50.800 front at the press today saying this. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:57.040 Our actions must align with our principles. When history looks back, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.800 it must see that we stood on the right side 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:01.520 of humanity. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.200 James. She made this announcement that she was quitting during 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.240 question time, knowing that all eyes would be on her 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.480 instead of on Parliament. I think she's gone about this 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.320 very badly, and there are also reports that this has 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.360 been months in the making. Why do you think it 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.880 took her this long, though, to actually pull the pin. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.920 This has been so well orchestrated, and for the last 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.440 two weeks she's acted as a distraction to the government 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.000 who really have been blindsided by this woman. It's been 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.320 too well orchestrated for my liking to think that this 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.200 has just been a spur of the moment decision. She 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:41.040 had a right to sort things out with a political party, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.360 and if she felt so strongly about leaving Labor, she 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.600 should have left Parliament altogether. I really despise these people 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.840 who take Senate positions that belong to the party and 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.680 go and think they're beyond or they're bigger than the 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.520 party itself. Something's got to change here. You can't legislate this. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.520 This would require a change to the constant. The problem 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.680 with that is if you force somebody to stay within 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.600 a party, they can become a bigger wrecker at the 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.520 end of the day. So look, she's probably better outside 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.040 of the Labor Party, but it has made things difficult, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.480 especially when trying to get your legislation through, particularly in 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.640 the Senate, as we've seen this last two weeks. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.879 Joe, do you think that this could damage Labor. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.840 Oh well, it's already inflicted an enormous damage on the 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.680 Albanese government and served as a distraction. But I think 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.919 there was in some sense very little they could do. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.680 The real culprit in this saga has been Senat Fatimer 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.119 Payment herself, and I think what she has done, as 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.399 James said, is completely lacking integrity. She was elected to 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.919 the Senate to represent the people of Western Australia on 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.080 behalf of the Labor Party. That was the basis on 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.280 which she was elected, not to represent them as an independent. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.760 And we have seen frankly this happen far too often, 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.680 where people elected to the Senate with long six year 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.120 parliamentary terms and then defect, sometimes quite early on into 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.800 their term. Senator Payment's done it, but we've seen it 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.600 recently with Senator Lydia Thorpe a phrase Running did it 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.000 with One Nation, Jackie Lamby did it with the Palm 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.080 of United Party. Corey Bernardi did it with the Liberal Party. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.159 And if they were setting the example for all, the 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.160 Upper House simply wouldn't be workable. It wouldn't be workable, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.199 and it makes a mockery of our democratic system. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.560 Yeah, I completely agree with you, and it certainly is 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:34.679 at that stage at the moment. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:35.119 Now. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.520 Look, housing industry experts are warning that the Albanese government's 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.480 dream of building one point two million new homes within 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.400 five years is beyond reach, James. The building industry has 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.760 long been warning about this. Experts have been saying that 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.000 we'll even be lucky to get one hundred thousand new 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.119 builds this year alone, So that's way short of the 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.720 annual target. Immigration is up, houses aren't being built, no 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.359 wonder we have a housing crisis in this country. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.440 You bet. And they say we've got to build a 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.560 house every two minutes to meet the target set by 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.359 this Labor government. How disgraceful and how unachievable to even 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.520 set that target in the first place. Was just you know, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.320 pulling the curtains over people's eyes here. This is just 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.560 rubbish that Labor said about. All it will take is 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.120 another national disaster of some sort. Queensland here is vulnerable 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.280 every year every time you know, summer comes around and 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.960 we get a cyclone warning. All it will take is 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.520 a natural disaster to come through any of our states, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.159 wipe out a couple of thousand homes and all of 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.440 a sudden, the building trade is then forced to go 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.040 and work on repairs and rebuilding of that area as well. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.639 This is a disgrace, So I spoke to the real 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.760 estate agents. Today, property prices just continue to go through 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.119 the roof. I couldn't afford to buy my house again, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.560 is the honest truth. If I had to go and 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.080 buy it today, there is no way I'd get the 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.560 money for it. The appreciation I've had on my property, 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.000 and every other person I know that's in the property 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.359 market and probably thankful that they've got that property and 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.040 the increase. But for those trying to get into the market, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.520 it's getting tougher and tougher, and you're having to move 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:12.080 to smaller houses or more regional areas to be able 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:12.400 to buy. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.280 In Joe, it's really tough out there, and as James said, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.439 people are having to move far away from the cities 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.520 just to be able to get into a property. But 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.720 how do you think that we ended up here? 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:27.479 Well, I think one of the ways we ended up 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.960 here is because we have a debasement in our politics 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.560 where we have aspirational targets and we don't have the 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.080 policies to achieve them, so we see this in climate 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.400 we have a net zero target by twenty fifty. We've 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.400 got a forty three percent target by twenty thirty. Most 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.120 people will tell you that we won't get there. And 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.119 we now have a labor government that initially had a 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.760 million homes target over a five year period, then they 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:58.479 oup that to one point two million. Now there's no 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.800 building group in this country that says the one point 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.280 two million homes is achievable. So I think one of 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:09.119 the problems with our politics is that we have aspirational targets. 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.480 It's too much about the target setting and not enough 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.440 about the policies to get there. And there's too many 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:21.639 contradictions in labors. In Labour's policy, the reregulation of the 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.960 labor market means that they're simply working against themselves in 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:29.320 trying to achieve some of their economic objectives. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.919 Yeah. Absolutely, the policy has been out from the very beginning. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.200 James Ashby Joe Kelly, we have to leave it there. 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:36.879 Thank you so much to both of you for your 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.879 time this evening. Coming up after the break, Shadow Foreign 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:43.480 Affairs Minister Simon Birmingham is up next. He'll have more 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:47.680 to say about the diversionary tactics used by pro Palestinian 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.520 activists at Parliament House today to throw off the AFP, 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.040 and as the Democrats stand by Joe Biden, the world 0:21:55.119 --> 0:22:03.840 continues to question his incompetence. That's next, returning now to 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.480 our top story tonight on the pro Palestinian protesters that 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.359 managed to climb up to the roof of Parliament House 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:16.880 shouting anti Semitic insults and unfurling banners with pro Palestinian slogans. Now, 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.800 as I mentioned at the start of the show, these 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:24.320 protesters used diversionary tactics like calling in false protests at 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:28.639 other locations to throw off police so they could invade 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:29.440 the building. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:36.000 But we did also have some false phone calls of 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.879 other protests happening at nearby areas that did not occur. 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:44.320 So there was not only was there diversionary efforts at 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.879 Parliament House, but there was on diverting AFP resources to 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:49.880 other areas. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:55.040 The group have now been charged with Commonwealth trespass, but 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.800 it's a criminal offense in itself to give false information 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.520 to the AFP in the diversionary way that they did, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.800 so will they be messed with the full force of 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.600 the law let's bring in Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Birmingham. 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.280 Thank you so much for joining us this evening. What 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.400 do you expect the favorite of these protesters will be, 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.080 Will they indeed be met with the full force of 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:18.520 the law. 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.359 They should absolutely be met with the full force of 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.400 the law. Whilst we have of course independence in our 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.720 police force and in those who make decisions around prosecutions 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:33.760 as in our courts, I would be urging those authorities 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:38.119 to make sure that wherever offenses have been committed or 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.720 appear to have been committed, they should be fully investigated 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.600 and fully pursued to the full force of the law. 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:49.680 What we saw today was appalling, was appalling on numerous levels. 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.920 The security breach itself was appalling and needs thorough investigation, 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.960 including investigation as to whether any assistance was provided from 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.160 inside this building or elsewhere to individuals as to how 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.680 to go about or the undertaking of their protest actions. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.440