WEBVTT - The Questions Police Won’t Answer About Katie Walker 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Disappearance of Katie Walker podcast. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the last week, several mainstream publications have helped bring more

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<v Speaker 1>attention to Katie's story and more of the Australian public

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<v Speaker 1>are now aware of what is starting to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>just a complete failure on behalf of New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>Police and what I would call incombatance. Is the subject

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<v Speaker 1>of today's podcast, and I will be speaking to Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>from Proof Investigations, who is the PI that Katie's family

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<v Speaker 1>have hired to.

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<v Speaker 2>Help them find answers.

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<v Speaker 1>First though, just to recap, as we know, Katie was

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<v Speaker 1>last seen walking down Alexander Street onto Gaelock Avenue in

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<v Speaker 1>Tamarama at one twelve pm on May twenty third, and

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<v Speaker 1>that timestamp there is quite important to remember because this

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<v Speaker 1>week I also saw text messages sent from New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Police to one private residence on that street where

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<v Speaker 1>they were requesting their CCTV footage, and in that text

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<v Speaker 1>message the police asked, hey, can you send uzoil footage

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<v Speaker 1>from two pm until eight pm? Despite the fight, Katie

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<v Speaker 1>was on the street at one twelve pm. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I read that message, I fought like, surely not, surely

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<v Speaker 1>they cannot be that incompetent, but yes, it appears they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person who received that message their camera on

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<v Speaker 1>their houses at the top of Gaelic Avenue, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some maybe one hundred or so meters from where Katie

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<v Speaker 1>was last seen, and that angle could.

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<v Speaker 2>Have captured something crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, in the message I saw, the police asked

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<v Speaker 1>for footage from the wrong fucking time, like sorry to swear,

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<v Speaker 1>but the wrong fucking time, like it's it's just infuriating,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know this person. When they got the message,

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<v Speaker 1>they then spent a while pulling together footage from that

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<v Speaker 1>six hour window from to till a as requested, and

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<v Speaker 1>they dropped that off at the police stay on a

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive and they then never heard from the police again.

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<v Speaker 1>And the police never followed up saying, hey, could we

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<v Speaker 1>also get the footage from one to two as well?

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<v Speaker 1>And they also didn't send them a message and hey,

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<v Speaker 1>could we also get the footage from after eight pm?

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<v Speaker 1>Because when they realized, hey, Katie was not seen in

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<v Speaker 1>any footage. Again, it's presumably because well she'd already left

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<v Speaker 1>or she was still there in a property perhaps, And

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, when I found this out and I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to the person, I said, could you please go back

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<v Speaker 1>and retrieve the footage from one pm to two pm

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<v Speaker 1>and then footage from after eight pm, but especially the

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<v Speaker 1>one to two pm window, because as we know, that

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<v Speaker 1>is when Katie was on the street, and as they

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<v Speaker 1>then logged onto their system to do that, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do that because so much time has now passed that

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<v Speaker 1>all the new footage since then has overwritten all the

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<v Speaker 1>old stuff from that day and it is gone forever,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just fucking like you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's inexcusable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I emailed New South Wales Police media asking how

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<v Speaker 1>they could get this so wrong, and I of course

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<v Speaker 1>never received a reply. And I also emailed New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Police media asking what inquiries have they actually made

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<v Speaker 1>on that street where Katie disappeared, As since my content

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<v Speaker 1>had started rolling out, one resident who lives meters from

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<v Speaker 1>where Katie was last seen had no idea about her

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance until they saw my content and realized, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the street I live on. There's my house

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of this guy's video. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they never received a knock on the door from the

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<v Speaker 1>police to ask if they saw anything or had any information,

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<v Speaker 1>despite as far as I'm aware, the police implying to

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<v Speaker 1>Katy's family they did that. And again like if I

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<v Speaker 1>knew the police hadn't done that, I would have done

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<v Speaker 1>that when I first found out about this. But for

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<v Speaker 1>these the most simple boxes here, the footage and knocking

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<v Speaker 1>on doors would have been the first thing ticked off.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't understand how that foot has been lost.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person who lives meters from where Katie was

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<v Speaker 1>on that street had no idea. And again when I

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<v Speaker 1>asked New South Wales Police about this and knocking on doors,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't receive a reply to that either.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who aren't in the media

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<v Speaker 2>and unaware.

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<v Speaker 1>What police media is, I'll read you this from their

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<v Speaker 1>website and it says the primary purpose of New South

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<v Speaker 1>Wales Police Media Unit is to manage public communication, handle

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<v Speaker 1>media inquiries and support active investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>AKA.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire purpose of that unit is to provide media

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<v Speaker 1>like myself journalists like myself with statements and guidance to

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<v Speaker 1>assist with our coverage and so we can report accurately

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<v Speaker 1>on their investigations and also to help them with their

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<v Speaker 1>public appeals. But since I started this podcast, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>emailed them several times and I've you maded them pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much with everything I've spoken about on this podcast, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had a single response, And in my opinion, that's

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<v Speaker 1>because they just do not care about Katie Walker. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was made apparent, you know, to me in my

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<v Speaker 1>opinion this last week, when one of the detectives on

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<v Speaker 1>her case, after he returned home from a vacation I

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<v Speaker 1>believe or an you will leave, which Katie's family had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea about, and they were questioned in that week

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<v Speaker 1>why they had no correspondence. He told Katie's family this

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<v Speaker 1>week that they have made no progress at all, which

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<v Speaker 1>isn't surprising because it sounds like they've put no effort in. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>how could they make progress when they've done nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>try and progress this case? And for those still just

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<v Speaker 1>baffled like me, just why and how they can have

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<v Speaker 1>such little care for this and just get so much wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now going to be joined by Lucas from Proof Investigations,

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<v Speaker 1>who I kind of speak to you daily. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>between me and him and Katie's family were all communicating

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<v Speaker 1>and sharing everything we figure out, and this is what

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<v Speaker 1>we feel the next steps need to be Hello, Lucas,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing, Like, hey, yeah, I'm good for your

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<v Speaker 1>first time on the podcast, which is weird to me

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<v Speaker 1>because we speak pretty much every day in the last two.

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<v Speaker 3>Weeks, maybe two three times today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you were driving to work do with it

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<v Speaker 1>another job and you said it. You just feld me like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my routine now, Like because we're sharing all this

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<v Speaker 1>information and the leads were getting constantly and the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing today, I've just been talking about what we've

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<v Speaker 1>been chatting about the police's lack of just interest in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion and proaction, and like, why do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the police just don't seem to care.

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<v Speaker 3>I think from the start they you know, they saw

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<v Speaker 3>the final footage of Katie at Tamarama were near those stairs,

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<v Speaker 3>and also they've been given information against misinformation or information

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<v Speaker 3>on Katie's you know mind of thought at the time

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<v Speaker 3>or now we're finding out information about that. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she wasn't really like that. She was a mother that

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<v Speaker 3>really wanted to be with her kids. So I guess

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<v Speaker 3>we saw that information they just you know, put one

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<v Speaker 3>on one together. They said, okay, it's easy. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she was last scene at these stairs. She must have

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<v Speaker 3>gone into the water. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you say fed this information like about her

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<v Speaker 1>state of mind which maybe suggested the suicide for you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like all the people closest to her, her friends, family, none

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<v Speaker 1>of them have said that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more.

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<v Speaker 1>From my understanding, they questioned that mine she met in

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<v Speaker 1>the pope and he maybe implied she could have been suicidal.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's the man who knows of the least.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, these these friends that these friends that that the

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<v Speaker 3>police have interviewed, they they didn't interview the friends that

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<v Speaker 3>we found that were closest to her. So for example,

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth and and Justine. I I approached them through a

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<v Speaker 3>post that I saw Elizabeth post on on Katie saying

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<v Speaker 3>where is my friend Katie? Can anyone helped? So I

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<v Speaker 3>approached her and said, hey, you know, this is who

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<v Speaker 3>I am. Can we talk? And and I haven't received

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<v Speaker 3>an email from the police a few weeks later because

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<v Speaker 3>the dad was pressuring the police into interviewing them, and

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<v Speaker 3>they emailed me saying, hey, can you give me the

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<v Speaker 3>details for these for these friends because we don't know

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<v Speaker 3>who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like because they were the first people I

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<v Speaker 1>found as well and spoke to. And they're the easiest

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<v Speaker 1>people because they were the only people on social media

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<v Speaker 1>posting about Katie and like search, Yeah, like the police

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<v Speaker 1>having to ask you for their details, like fuck me,

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<v Speaker 1>just open Instagram and then it's just for straight and

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<v Speaker 1>again because everybody Katie was talking to most in those

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<v Speaker 1>final days, you know, her family, these two friends in America,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all saying one thing, that she would never do

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<v Speaker 1>what the police think she did. And they've based this

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<v Speaker 1>whole theory off one they comment from a man she

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<v Speaker 1>met in the pub who they questioned, so they he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of planted this seed of doubt that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the police already fought at that point. Oh, she's gone

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<v Speaker 1>missing near the water. This doesn't look good. Then they've

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<v Speaker 1>saw what they think were the letters in her apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>which everybody who knows that says, well, they're not letters.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't say she's going to take a life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also not her handwriting, and things are misspelled, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>there questioning whether they're even authentic. And then all the

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family are saying all these things about why.

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<v Speaker 2>She would never do what the police think.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they found this man she spoke to in

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<v Speaker 1>the pub and he's like, no, I think she would.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're basic, you know, the whole theory of circumstantial

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<v Speaker 1>evidence and the word of one man who doesn't know Katie.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, that's right, I mean, And even you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we found out they paid his handwriting. Apparently it was

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<v Speaker 3>amazing handwriting, you know, if it was her last letter

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<v Speaker 3>to leave to her children. Apparently that that letter was scribbled.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't even read it. So I doubt it very

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<v Speaker 3>much that that was the case. I don't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I see that something something else is. I think someone

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<v Speaker 3>has the clue. Someone out there knows something that that

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<v Speaker 3>is going to link everything up. Eventually. We even did,

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<v Speaker 3>we even put drones out to see if there was anything,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to follow through with what the police have said.

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<v Speaker 3>So we want to say, okay, let's put drones out,

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<v Speaker 3>let's put let's go and search the cliffs and see

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<v Speaker 3>what we find. We couldn't find anything, anything at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Even when the parents for the dad first approached me,

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<v Speaker 3>he said to me that the police said that he

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<v Speaker 3>went to Tamarama as she walked all the way to

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<v Speaker 3>the gap. Can you please told me how far that is?

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<v Speaker 3>Because he's from England, right, And I turned around to

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<v Speaker 3>him and I said, look like he's wearing even in sport.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's I can't walk to the gap?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just context for the listeners who don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>When you know, the police had this theory Katie went

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<v Speaker 1>into the water Tamarama. Then when they started to realize

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<v Speaker 1>actually that's probably quite impossible given the time of days,

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<v Speaker 1>they then had this theory. All she probably just walked

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<v Speaker 1>to the gap, which is the well known spot up

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<v Speaker 1>in Dover Heights. Fool close, but that's a good hour

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<v Speaker 1>or so walk all uphill, and it's like they had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to base it off of it. Then we think

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<v Speaker 1>she's ended a life and a lot of people end

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<v Speaker 1>the life in that in that spot. Like again, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Yeah, and you didn't even like just get

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<v Speaker 1>the droner. You've spoken to local drone pilots who fly

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<v Speaker 1>the drones every day for the shark. You've spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>the the surf life savers, like all the people who

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<v Speaker 1>know that that water there and that stretch of lifts

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<v Speaker 1>more than anyone, and they've all gone. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>she's gone in here. And I think one thing we

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<v Speaker 1>should say here, Lucas that we've been saying lately is

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<v Speaker 1>in our opinion or you know, my opinion. But the police,

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<v Speaker 1>they just need to go back to square one and

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<v Speaker 1>stop thinking it was a suicide and start the whole

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<v Speaker 1>investigation again, because it feels like all this focus has

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<v Speaker 1>been where could she.

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<v Speaker 2>Have gone into the water? What happened on that street?

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<v Speaker 1>But in my opinion, I think the police need to

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<v Speaker 1>let's forget about the street for now. One question, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Katie's disappeared. Who could possibly want Katie to disappear? Who

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<v Speaker 1>could benefit from somewhere from Katie disappearing, whether that's you know, financially, emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe Katie's presence, Maybe she knew something, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>like do you know what I mean, there's all these

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<v Speaker 1>parts of her life that were slowly uncovering from all

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<v Speaker 1>these various people and shady characters she's met, Like let's

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<v Speaker 1>start again, and like even you you told me a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago. The police did question a few people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the man from the pub, but it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like all that line of questioning was more what was

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<v Speaker 1>the state of mind? Like do you think Katie could

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<v Speaker 1>have killed herself? Rather than being like, hey, where were

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<v Speaker 1>you that night.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's right, that's right. And whenever I so my

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<v Speaker 3>my my point of contact is Katie's dad. And when

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I email him saying hey, you know, we've found this,

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<v Speaker 3>this information, this information, and how about if the police

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<v Speaker 3>can do this, this and this, he just writes back

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<v Speaker 3>to me saying the police won't. The police don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to hear it. They don't. You know, they're not they're

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<v Speaker 3>not communicating with me. They haven't. I mean I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's ridden to him maybe like four or five weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm not mistaken, and it's still he has not

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<v Speaker 3>received an email back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And Katie's father and brother, you know, we can now

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<v Speaker 1>say they also went to Dubai recently. They found where

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<v Speaker 1>Katie was staying. They went to that hotel to try

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<v Speaker 1>and get footage of that man from that night of

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<v Speaker 1>the incident who broke into her room, and the hotel

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<v Speaker 1>would not hand it over. They said the police have

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, so they passed this invo to New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales police.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done nothing with that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Even I caught up in your past podcast

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned about the flight center about how they you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she may have got tickets. I called flight center to

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<v Speaker 3>see if you know, if you did actually buy the

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<v Speaker 3>tickets and go and get them, and she's the flight

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<v Speaker 3>center said we can only give that information out to police.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mentioned that to the dad again, and the

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<v Speaker 3>dad mentioned it to the police. So it's really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to get information when your hands are tied.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as an investigator, there's only so much you

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<v Speaker 1>can do. Like and if we had proved Katie booked

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<v Speaker 1>that flight, then that's almost definitive that why would she

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<v Speaker 1>end her life when she did have this plan? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you try to get the flag center to confirm, but

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<v Speaker 1>for privacy, they can't pass this to the police. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's another lead they just aren't following. And like it's

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<v Speaker 1>at the point where it's like, well what the I

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<v Speaker 1>f do, Like we Katie's family have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's obvious Katie had a plan. I mean she

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<v Speaker 3>was you wanted to book the tickets to get out

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<v Speaker 3>of a trailer because of a visa, renew her visa,

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<v Speaker 3>come back to her kids and spend her life with

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<v Speaker 3>her kids. I mean that too. Her friends does not

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<v Speaker 3>sound like someone that will end their life.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, it's just sad and I think we've both felt

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<v Speaker 1>it as well, because like you know, it's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>consumed us, but where we've put so much time and

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<v Speaker 1>hours and emotion into this trying to help, and like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't even know the things you

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<v Speaker 1>did in the early days, you know, like do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember you're telling me you were going around the local

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<v Speaker 1>op shops and sales shops, you know, to see if

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<v Speaker 1>her like a turned up anywhere, because maybe if you

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<v Speaker 1>could find that, then at least that would maybe suggest

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<v Speaker 1>it was left behind somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>And she Yeah, I was actually thinking, you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>someone was someone wants to find the bag or the

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<v Speaker 3>high heels or anything like that, you know, maybe they

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<v Speaker 3>might sell them at some op shop or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>pass it on that way. I didn't find anything. I

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<v Speaker 3>went through pretty much the Holy and suburbs where they

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<v Speaker 3>saw secondhand stuff. Didn't find anything. We did pamphlets and

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<v Speaker 3>stood in the street where she was last seen and

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<v Speaker 3>gave out pamphlets to just refresh people's memories. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that's really you know, there is a clue there.

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<v Speaker 3>There is there is something there that we just haven't

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<v Speaker 3>found it yet. And I think when when we do

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<v Speaker 3>find it, it will all come together.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like we're getting close yet was so far.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we're getting close with the information that

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting, and then when we try and look into

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<v Speaker 3>that information, we get blocked by only police can to

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<v Speaker 3>get this information, and then you sort of pass it

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<v Speaker 3>on to the police and they're doing nothing with it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also one thing for listeners to know about the

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<v Speaker 1>police because someone I read a comment once saying maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the police aren't sharing much information because they're onto something

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't want people knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't believe that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Firstly, because as a journalist, when you're working on an

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<v Speaker 1>active investigation, like everything that I've reported on in my pot,

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<v Speaker 1>I put to the police first saying can you comment

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<v Speaker 1>on this, can you offer a statement?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give clarity?

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<v Speaker 1>And if it was something of significance that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want publicly out there, they would like kind of say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't report on that, I'll share that, I'll try

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<v Speaker 1>to suppress the content because that would interfere with an

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<v Speaker 1>active investigation. They haven't done that once. They haven't replied

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<v Speaker 1>to a single email I've had and even you as

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<v Speaker 1>a PI. They've not once said to you, hey, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting in the way here, you're doing like they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they even tell Katie's family they're welcome to get

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<v Speaker 1>their own PI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, towards their end of their discussions, when when Katie's

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<v Speaker 3>dad was going to leave, the police pretty much said

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<v Speaker 3>to him, We've come to this kind of conclusion type thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're more than welcome to get privately now, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>get private drones, get private everything, and private investigator. And

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<v Speaker 3>going back to the drone and the Life Savers, I

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<v Speaker 3>was speaking to the lady that she did, she does

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<v Speaker 3>the drones for the Life Savers, and she said they

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<v Speaker 3>get they get almost every single day. You know, people

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<v Speaker 3>come into the Life Savers and saying, there's a dance

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<v Speaker 3>over there that looked really suspicious. That's someone that's really

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<v Speaker 3>close to the rocks over there. I think you guys

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<v Speaker 3>should go into it out. You know, there's someone walking

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't they look a bit suspicious. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>people going all the time to the Life Savers and

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<v Speaker 3>letting them know that, you know, what they see on

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<v Speaker 3>their walks. And there's a lot of people whoever's done

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<v Speaker 3>that walk, will know that there is a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people walking, there's a lot of eyes out there at

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<v Speaker 3>that walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So again that just kind of goes back to what

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<v Speaker 1>we said earlier of the police, in our opinion, go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the start. Stop focusing on this thing she

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<v Speaker 1>went into the water. You know, they went into this

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<v Speaker 1>investigation with this theory that they then seems they just

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<v Speaker 1>tried to prove rather than actually investigating, and now they

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<v Speaker 1>need to go back investigate, speak to every single person

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<v Speaker 1>who knows Katie, who Katie has interacted with in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I agree Jegh, like if the police just

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<v Speaker 3>go back again and just take it, take it again

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<v Speaker 3>with expression for animation. You know Katie was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she wanted to be a good mum again. She wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to get back into their lives, you know, get out

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<v Speaker 3>of this thought that she would have done something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they can find the clue that they missed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so instead of them thinking where did Katie end

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<v Speaker 1>their life, they should now think who could want to

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<v Speaker 1>make Katie disappear?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I suppose this episode of the podcast kind of

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<v Speaker 1>letting everybody know where we're at together.

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<v Speaker 2>People have asked.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we haven't heard you on here so far, and

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose because we'd like everything I've spoken about. It's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're sharing together and with Katie's family. I've just

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<v Speaker 1>been the voice, but it's good for people to hear

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<v Speaker 1>you and know that this isn't just me.

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully hopefully.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk a bit too much on the phone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if the police