Speaker 1: I'll get a team. I hope you're bloody terrific. This
Speaker 1: is the conclusion of my conversation yesterday with Patrick. There
Speaker 1: was a whole lot of a whole lot of chat
Speaker 1: about at times not much, I'm going to be honest,
Speaker 1: but kind of amusing and funny and a little bit
Speaker 1: informative in places I feel free not to listen. But
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. He enjoyed it, and you might too.
Speaker 1: Here we go, tell me why fitness apps and fitbits
Speaker 1: might not be the amazing resources that we thought they
Speaker 1: would be.
Speaker 2: Look, I I do use a tracker, and I like
Speaker 2: to kind of just casually glance and see what my
Speaker 2: average heart rate is. I know it always goes up
Speaker 2: when I talk to you. I've done six three hundred
Speaker 2: and forty six steps today. My heart rates fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Is that good at the moment.
Speaker 1: That's very healthy. That's very low. That's fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, also it's probably like if and even that's you thinking, conversing, concentrating, Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably if you were just sitting there really chilled, it
Speaker 1: might be around fifty. Which is it's not completely absolute,
Speaker 1: but it's highly indicative that you're very fit.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, which is interesting because I've had to have
Speaker 2: a break from the gym. But I'm not doing as
Speaker 2: much cardio. But I do run up and down the
Speaker 2: stairs constantly. The good thing about being forgetful in the
Speaker 2: two story house, and you do this as well, I know,
Speaker 2: is how many times in the morning do you run upstairs?
Speaker 2: I never walk up my stairs ever, I always always
Speaker 2: run up the stairs, and I always leave something up
Speaker 2: the stairs. At least four or five trips a morning.
Speaker 2: I'm bolting up and down the stairs, so that probably helps.
Speaker 1: Speak. Can I just say read something to you which
Speaker 1: you'll find funny? Speaking about that which I wrote the
Speaker 1: other day? Have you ever been worried about something, gotten
Speaker 1: distracted for a while, and then after the distraction has passed,
Speaker 1: you're still worried, but you can't remember why. Right, it's gone.
Speaker 1: It's gone. The worry has gone from your mind, but
Speaker 1: it's still in your body. This phenomenon is called emotional residue.
Speaker 1: It happens when the body retains the physiological effects of
Speaker 1: stress or worry, even though the mind may have moved
Speaker 1: on or forgotten the specifics of the cause. The body's
Speaker 1: stress response increased heart rate, blood pressure, stress or mines,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Lingers because emotional and physiological processes operate on
Speaker 1: different timelines. The brain might not consciously recall the worry,
Speaker 1: but the body's reaction will persist, creating a lingering sense
Speaker 1: of unease.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting. So yeah, so once the you know,
Speaker 2: it's that what do they call the effect? And it's
Speaker 2: a chain reaction effect, isn't it? Once in motion, you
Speaker 2: can't retract it. It's just going to play itself out.
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting little thought process there. And when
Speaker 2: I was talking, we were talking earlier about fitbits and
Speaker 2: calorie counters and all that, and I think they're great
Speaker 2: because I do like to keep a target every day
Speaker 2: to see that I've walked a certain amount that I've
Speaker 2: done as many steps as I have and is my
Speaker 2: heart rate up or down? And am I stressed? But
Speaker 2: there is a concern now that people can get somewhat obsessive.
Speaker 2: So it may even damage people's well being if they're
Speaker 2: focusing too much and become obsessed on this. Now I've
Speaker 2: got a true story. I was talking to somebody who
Speaker 2: had said to me they were trying to get ten
Speaker 2: thousand steps a day, which is really funny because ten
Speaker 2: thousand steps was the Japanese Do you know the story
Speaker 2: about why ten thousands is the is the I do?
Speaker 1: But tell everyone? Yep.
Speaker 2: So the marketing company or the company that came up
Speaker 2: with the first fitness tracker or basically a stepper, what
Speaker 2: they did was they were Japanese company. They realized that
Speaker 2: the Japanese character for ten thousand looks like a person walking,
Speaker 2: So their marketing department said ten thousand that's how many
Speaker 2: steps you need to make in a day. So the
Speaker 2: original pedometer, the step calculator was just that ten thousand
Speaker 2: was just a marketing ploye. So that's been adopted, you know.
Speaker 1: But do you know, as it turns out, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad goal. It's not a bad goal.
Speaker 2: Was it about seven kilometers or no? It's a bit
Speaker 2: less than that, isn't it? Maybe six k It depends.
Speaker 1: A little bit, well, it depends a lot on your
Speaker 1: stride length. So someone who's super lank in tall like
Speaker 1: you only kidding, but people's stride length typically walking varies
Speaker 1: between about sixty and eighty centimeters. So if you sixty
Speaker 1: and you take ten thousand, that six k's if you're
Speaker 1: eighty and you take ten thousand steps, it's about eight k's.
Speaker 1: But the average if you had to go what is it, ballpark,
Speaker 1: typically it's around seventy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So people, there's three types of people who
Speaker 2: get these fitness trackers. There's the ones that engage with
Speaker 2: it initially and then lose interest. The ones have a
Speaker 2: kind of a long stable, long term interaction, which I
Speaker 2: reckon would be I'm not obsessed by my steps. If
Speaker 2: I get to the end of the day and it's like, ah,
Speaker 2: I didn't do as much as yesterday, I'll try better
Speaker 2: the next day, that's me. But those people who become obsessive. So,
Speaker 2: as I was saying, a friend of mine had his
Speaker 2: goal of ten thousand and realized before bed that they
Speaker 2: still needed under two thousand steps, so they went walking
Speaker 2: around their house to try to keep the steps up
Speaker 2: and get to the ten thousand. Now that's obsessive.
Speaker 1: That's that's actually really normal. It's like so many people,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the crab does that. The crab's got to
Speaker 1: set him out and crabs My training partner everyone, most
Speaker 1: of you know that he's like that. He will if
Speaker 1: he looks and his steps a low he'll walk out
Speaker 1: the front of the house at eleven o'clock at night
Speaker 1: just to get up to where he wants it to be.
Speaker 1: That's not rare, that's more common than But you know,
Speaker 1: you raise a really good point, Patrick, When does the
Speaker 1: healthy thing become the become the unhealthy thing? Like there's
Speaker 1: a there's a condition called athletica nevosa. You'll be able
Speaker 1: to figure out what that means, right, And so that
Speaker 1: is just when people become absolutely obsessed about exercise, and
Speaker 1: now they're overtraining, often undersleeping, under recovering, and now they
Speaker 1: have a new condition, which is emotional and psychological anxiety
Speaker 1: around how much exercise they're doing or not doing. And
Speaker 1: if per chance, I'm absolutely sure I had this when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, because I was completely fucking obsessed.
Speaker 1: When these people get injured and they actually can't work out,
Speaker 1: like they've broken an ankle or something, and now they
Speaker 1: can't run, oh my god, it's literally like withdrawing from
Speaker 1: Heroin for some of them. Yeah, that's interesting that thing
Speaker 1: of and even you know, and this is funny coming
Speaker 1: from the bloke that eats two meals a day and
Speaker 1: doesn't drink and all of that but sometimes I meet
Speaker 1: people who have gone from unhealthy and out of shape
Speaker 1: and they both basically become evangelistic zealots where now you know,
Speaker 1: every every calorie, every micro nutrient, macro nutrient is tracked
Speaker 1: within a millimeter of its life. And and yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's a line. There's a line where it's good to
Speaker 1: be disciplined, it's good to be in control, but it's not,
Speaker 1: you know, obsession and discipline. It's like about one step
Speaker 1: away from each other.
Speaker 2: I have to have a chuckle to myself because I
Speaker 2: often hear that about vegans, that the militant vegans, you know,
Speaker 2: the ones that raided factories and release all the chickens
Speaker 2: and then the chickens run around everywhere and get run over.
Speaker 1: That's not why did you say that?
Speaker 2: It's true though that happens. It's silly they.
Speaker 1: But also when you release those chickens that have been
Speaker 1: in a cage their whole life, what the fuck are
Speaker 1: they going to do?
Speaker 2: Not like they know how to, they don't have eggs,
Speaker 2: They just wobble around. They don't get a chance to
Speaker 2: exercise their acrophied muscles.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, that is that is vegans, you know, have
Speaker 1: a better plan if you can, like have a better
Speaker 1: plan than that.
Speaker 2: It's not all vegans at least any animals.
Speaker 1: But you're a vegan, aren't you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or are you a vegetarian?
Speaker 2: And I'm vegan vegan, I was vegetarian for ten years
Speaker 2: or pescatarian for ten years.
Speaker 1: And then is that why you're all hasty?
Speaker 2: I'm not. No, it's the light slaring on my camera.
Speaker 2: It looks weird and a shut up.
Speaker 1: You say it's you say it's that, I say, eat
Speaker 1: a steak. I mean, really, come on, bro, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I had to laugh. After I'd been vegan for twelve months,
Speaker 2: I went to my doctor and I thought, I better
Speaker 2: get my blood's done and just see if I'm getting
Speaker 2: a balanced diet. And kept saying to me, yeah, you're iron,
Speaker 2: You're iron, it's the whole. Yeah, you're iron. You can't
Speaker 2: get iron. And my results came back and the doctor said, look,
Speaker 2: everything's fantastic stick except your iron, and I thought, oh shit,
Speaker 2: everyone was right.
Speaker 1: Too much.
Speaker 2: You got double the amount. He said, stop taking your
Speaker 2: supplements because what it be taking, you're taking too much
Speaker 2: of it. So I had to have the daily allowance
Speaker 2: because the normal daily allowance was too much.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you know that there's there's research coming out
Speaker 1: now exploring the consciousness of plants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've read. There was an amazing
Speaker 2: book that I read that talked about how trees can
Speaker 2: communicate to each other when they's say a fire or
Speaker 2: one in danger. And what's even more mind blowing is
Speaker 2: they worked out they used a kind of a mitochondrial
Speaker 2: connection under the ground. I think it's a synerg some
Speaker 2: sort of I don't know, relationship with fungi as well.
Speaker 2: But they discovered that a tree that had been felled
Speaker 2: so completely cut off was being kept alive by the
Speaker 2: other trees around it a stump.
Speaker 1: And there's also I read this, I don't know the
Speaker 1: story or report or an article, but about this forest
Speaker 1: and at one end of the forest, basically up one end,
Speaker 1: these insects started destroying the foliage on the trees. And
Speaker 1: these insects was slowly working their way through the forest,
Speaker 1: and the trees that were in the path had been
Speaker 1: connect had been I don't know whatever, informed, whatever we
Speaker 1: want to call it, and so they developed this kind
Speaker 1: of a chemical defense. And so by the time the
Speaker 1: destructive insects got about I don't know. Halfway through. A
Speaker 1: third of the way through, the trees had built this
Speaker 1: kind of chemical defense mechanism that made the foliage taste shitouse,
Speaker 1: and they just stopped. And it's like, yeah, there's this
Speaker 1: there's this neural like structure like which resembles a form
Speaker 1: of intelligence and communication. And I think, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that they're sentient in
Speaker 1: the way that we understand sentience, or conscious in the
Speaker 1: way that we understand consciousness. But there is absolutely some
Speaker 1: kind of messaging or communication.
Speaker 2: This book, I was telling you about the hidden life
Speaker 2: of trees, what they feel, how they communicate, discoveries from
Speaker 2: a secret world. A guy by the name of Peter
Speaker 2: Wolhoman I think is the name. But yeah, the Hidden
Speaker 2: Life of trees. It was really interesting to find so
Speaker 2: much more.
Speaker 1: Nonetheless, you still look pasty, all right?
Speaker 2: No, don't. I just turned, I turned, I turned the blind.
Speaker 2: Do I still look pasty? Really?
Speaker 1: No? No, you actually look annoyingly healthy. Somebody said to
Speaker 1: me the other day. Do you and Patrick actually get
Speaker 1: on well? Or is that just fun? I go, he's
Speaker 1: one of my best friend, which.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I could fake that. Honestly, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: fucking yeah. Like some if I don't like someone, I
Speaker 2: think they must know that I don't like them because
Speaker 2: I can't fake it. I'm really bad at lying. I
Speaker 2: tell really bad jokes, but halfway through the joke, I
Speaker 2: start grinning, so people know there is a joke coming
Speaker 2: and they yeah.
Speaker 1: So you try to present it as a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, That's exactly how I do my delivery of jokes.
Speaker 2: So I don't think you know people who I genuinely like.
Speaker 2: I think that people genuinely know that I like them
Speaker 2: because I find it hard to fake that. I don't
Speaker 2: think I could fake liking someone.
Speaker 1: I don't think. So. Hey, this is not surprising to me.
Speaker 1: But there's been some research on sitting and the dangers
Speaker 1: or potential fatality of sitting. And I mean, I've been
Speaker 1: telling people for twenty years where the sit down generation,
Speaker 1: and it's going to fucking kill us, or at least contribute.
Speaker 1: Tell us about what they found.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to preface this by saying that the
Speaker 2: study was forty five thousand people, like, not just one
Speaker 2: or two people, but forty.
Speaker 1: That's a great participant number.
Speaker 2: It is, it is, and it was published by the
Speaker 2: British Journal of Sports Medicine, and what they're saying is
Speaker 2: that thirty to forty minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise
Speaker 2: daily will counteract the negative effects of prolonged sitting. Because
Speaker 2: the thing is people can sit up to ten hours
Speaker 2: a day. You might be sitting at your desk for
Speaker 2: a normal workday, and then you when you watch television,
Speaker 2: so you're compounding that by just plunking your you know,
Speaker 2: your backside on the couch as well. So I guess
Speaker 2: the key findings were that you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people in our generation who sit at desks, the you know,
Speaker 2: the effects are long standing. You know, we know that
Speaker 2: there are lots you'd know from a physiological perspective the
Speaker 2: detrimental effects of sitting for prolonged period in terms of
Speaker 2: your posture, what happens to your body, what happens to
Speaker 2: your spine because your spine's not stretching. It's really crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: And to have to do that much work a day,
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty to forty minutes of moderate vigorous exercise
Speaker 2: is going to be hard for some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and no, I'm like, fucking get over it.
Speaker 1: Just do it. I mean, come on, like really, it's
Speaker 1: you know, but you're right. So you think about when
Speaker 1: you're sitting like you and me right now, we are
Speaker 1: in what's called hip flexion. So our hips are bent,
Speaker 1: which is flex called flexion anatomically, our knees are inflection.
Speaker 1: And many people, when we're sitting at a desk, our
Speaker 1: back is hunched. We have what's called a chiphotic posture,
Speaker 1: that kind of thoracic. I'm looking at me right now
Speaker 1: and my shoulders are forward, and if I turn sideways
Speaker 1: like I'm about to, you know, you have that kind
Speaker 1: of shoulders forward, head forward in an ideal world that
Speaker 1: we don't live in. But yeah, your shoulders, like the
Speaker 1: middle of your shoulders want to be back in the
Speaker 1: midline of your body, and your head doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be forward. Your head weighs about four kilos nine pounds,
Speaker 1: and ideally you want your head to be back. But
Speaker 1: when we as in aligned with your the rest of
Speaker 1: your body. But virtually everyone at a computer or a
Speaker 1: desk sits there in this neck flexion so head forward position,
Speaker 1: and no wonder so many people have got fucked shoulders
Speaker 1: and necks because the way that we sit predisposes to
Speaker 1: that kind of injury or that kind of condition. Sorry,
Speaker 1: But also another really interesting thing, Patrick James, is that
Speaker 1: these days people think that we we're getting you know,
Speaker 1: that obese and overweight is going through the roof because
Speaker 1: we just eat lots more. It ain't true we eat more,
Speaker 1: but we only eat a little bit more. But what
Speaker 1: we do do, Comma, your honor comma, is we move
Speaker 1: a lot less. So you are exactly right now, think
Speaker 1: about a lot of people. So they lie down for
Speaker 1: eight hours, they sleep, then they get up and sit
Speaker 1: at the breakfast table. Then they sit in the car
Speaker 1: on the way to work or the tram or the train.
Speaker 1: Then they sit at work all morning. Then they get
Speaker 1: up to go to lunch and sit to eat lunch,
Speaker 1: then sit at their desk for all lavo, then sit
Speaker 1: to go home, then get home and go I'm fuck,
Speaker 1: They've got to sit down right, and then they sit
Speaker 1: on the couch or they sit for dinner, and then
Speaker 1: you know, like the amount of fourteen hundred and forty
Speaker 1: minutes a day. Like I look at my dad, obviously
Speaker 1: he's old, but I said this to him. I saw
Speaker 1: him on the weekend and I said, Dad, you would
Speaker 1: be lucky to be standing for thirty minutes a day
Speaker 1: because he spends his day in bed, like all these
Speaker 1: nights in bed, and then a lot of sitting just
Speaker 1: because he recently had an operation, so he's been crooked.
Speaker 1: So it's understandable, I said, but you can't keep doing
Speaker 1: that because twenty three and a half hours a day
Speaker 1: where your eighty five year old body is lying or
Speaker 1: sitting is a recipe for fucking disaster. You don't need
Speaker 1: to be running marathons or deadlifting one thousand pounds, but
Speaker 1: we need to get you more active more of the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the extra weight that we're seeing on a
Speaker 1: lot of people is less about less than we think
Speaker 1: about the additional calories in and more about the fewer
Speaker 1: calories out. Energy expenditure is down on a generation or too,
Speaker 1: go way down.
Speaker 2: And you know, I bought myself just a hybrid stand
Speaker 2: up desk, which is you just sit this desk on
Speaker 2: top of your existing desk and it's just a hydraulic desk.
Speaker 2: It stands up. I think it took me a week,
Speaker 2: and that's got to be maybe five years. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think how long I've had it. It's been a
Speaker 2: long long now, maybe less than that, maybe three years.
Speaker 2: But I stand up at my desk all day, every day.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine sitting down. I've got a footpad that
Speaker 2: is really handy, and I wear good comfortable shoes. You
Speaker 2: got to wear comfortable shoes, and it really helps a lot.
Speaker 2: I find standing up is great. I do use a
Speaker 2: foot rest when I'm sitting down, so right now as
Speaker 2: we're talking, I have one of those triangular footrests as well,
Speaker 2: which helps me sit up a little bit straighter. But
Speaker 2: definitely I always use the foot rest when I was
Speaker 2: sitting at my desk, and then when I graduated to
Speaker 2: having a stand up desk, I love it. I love
Speaker 2: standing up and being on my feet all day, which
Speaker 2: sounds weird, but for me it's certainly helped a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I've got a stand up
Speaker 1: desk as well. I reckon it's worth like, speaking of gadgets,
Speaker 1: the best gadget that I've bought in terms of gadgets
Speaker 1: in the last five years is this desk. It's got
Speaker 1: two motors and its people go, oh, that's a extravagant
Speaker 1: Not really, it's a cost a grand, which is not cheap,
Speaker 1: but I know people who spend fucking a grand on nothing,
Speaker 1: And I use it every single day, and I just
Speaker 1: push a button and it goes up. It's got it's
Speaker 1: almost completely silent, obviously, two electric motors, and it's six
Speaker 1: foot long, and it's two foot white, so one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty centimeters by six hundred or by sixty centimeters,
Speaker 1: and it's just it just makes that transition from sitting
Speaker 1: working to standing and working really easy. And like, I
Speaker 1: think that if you're ever going to spoil yourself on
Speaker 1: a luxury that is actually really fucking good for your
Speaker 1: neck and back and shoulders and spine. And also think
Speaker 1: about this, standing even just standing spends somewhere close to
Speaker 1: twice the energy per unit of time as sitting. So
Speaker 1: even if you just want to burn more calories do
Speaker 1: thing other than just not be in a chair, it's
Speaker 1: good for your health as well. In that way, on
Speaker 1: top of all the postural stuff that you spoke about, Patrick, I.
Speaker 2: Went for the hydraulic version as well, so you press
Speaker 2: a button and that it moves up and down, which
Speaker 2: I don't use at all ever anymore, because after about
Speaker 2: two weeks I didn't need it to go back down anymore. However,
Speaker 2: I just did a bit of a search online. You
Speaker 2: can buy what they call it a sit stand ergonomic
Speaker 2: desk that sits on top of your existing desk for
Speaker 2: ninety nine bucks. Yeah, do with search. It's honestly, that's
Speaker 2: the cheapest best investment ever in ongoing health. I would
Speaker 2: absolutely totally encourage, if you do anything listening to this show,
Speaker 2: get a stand up desk. It's great if you're stuck
Speaker 2: at your desk all day. I think that you'd really
Speaker 2: find a lot of benefits.
Speaker 1: In the old days, we would have got about five
Speaker 1: phone books, but there are no phone books anymore.
Speaker 2: Nah. No, I haven't seen a phone book for a
Speaker 2: long like a Malway directories. I know all people who
Speaker 2: still buy them because you can still get them, but
Speaker 2: really I haven't looked at a street directory. Yeah. I've
Speaker 2: got friends of mine who always carries a street directory
Speaker 2: in their car the other day or.
Speaker 1: Not the other day, that's a lie. Two months ago,
Speaker 1: I was taking my dad to a different gym and
Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't know exactly so he lives in
Speaker 1: more Well. We were going into Elgin and I just
Speaker 1: press a button in my car and I say set
Speaker 1: navigation for such and such gym, and it goes setting
Speaker 1: navigation and then it comes up and my dad looks
Speaker 1: at me like we're in the future and this is
Speaker 1: just in my shitty little Suzuki, right, It's not like
Speaker 1: it's not like it's a Rolls Royce or a fucking Maserati.
Speaker 1: And he's look. I go, yeah, I know, it's freaky,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like you just tell this thing to
Speaker 1: do this. Imagine back in the seventies when you're fumbling
Speaker 1: around in front of the HR station wagon, you know,
Speaker 1: looking for Map seventy nine B, trying to get to
Speaker 1: a restaurant in Brunswick or something, and you know, you
Speaker 1: just press a button on your steering wheel and you
Speaker 1: tell the car to tell you, and then it goes
Speaker 1: setting navigation and then it literally talks to you until
Speaker 1: you get there.
Speaker 2: And it also now a lot of like I know,
Speaker 2: Google does this with Google Maps and Google Android Auto.
Speaker 2: What they do is they monitor traffic conditions so a
Speaker 2: crowd source what people are doing. So if you've got
Speaker 2: ten Android using drivers who get to an intersection and
Speaker 2: suddenly they're all stacked side by side or behind each other,
Speaker 2: it will look for an alternate route. One day, I
Speaker 2: was traveling to Melbourne and there was bump at a
Speaker 2: bumper traffic. So it told me to get off at
Speaker 2: the service station, drive around the service station, and then
Speaker 2: jump back on again and it saved me five minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I basically piggyback to all that traffic and Google told
Speaker 2: me to do that.
Speaker 1: I was coming home from my mum and dad and
Speaker 1: it's just straight down Princess Highway Freeway and you go
Speaker 1: from literally from kind of Berwick and just stay on
Speaker 1: the same road for ninety minutes. You don't turn left right,
Speaker 1: and then Mum and Dad are like, one, k off that.
Speaker 1: And I was coming home from there and it told
Speaker 1: me just to turn left here. I'm like what for.
Speaker 1: It's like some boonstock backwoods fucking road. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: fuck off. And then of course, and then I get
Speaker 1: up here, there's a crash, and then I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: in absolute mayhem. It was telling me like it knew,
Speaker 1: and I ignored it, and I ended up stuck in
Speaker 1: traffic that I could have avoided. And then I could
Speaker 1: see in the distance all these smarter than me people
Speaker 1: just bypassing the Mayhem because the road was like parallel
Speaker 1: but four hundred meters away, and by the time I
Speaker 1: went past it, I couldn't get back there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of little faith you didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We
Speaker 2: were talking about gadgets. Can I just I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about a gadget I bought this week that my
Speaker 2: colleague mocked me for right now. It was one of
Speaker 2: those spins that seems a little excessive for something that's
Speaker 2: so commonplace. And what it is is one of those
Speaker 2: USB thumb drives with five hundred of the world's best
Speaker 2: paintings in high resolution that you plug into the back
Speaker 2: of your TV and it just cycles through them as
Speaker 2: a screen saver, so Van Goch and all those sorts
Speaker 2: of things, and it was really really amazing. I plugged
Speaker 2: it in yesterday my colleague. I told my colleague about it,
Speaker 2: and he said, why didn't you just download them from
Speaker 2: the internet. I said, but that's five hundred high quality,
Speaker 2: high rest paintings. He says, yeah, the places you can
Speaker 2: go to download them. I said, but I just had
Speaker 2: to buy this, and they sent me out to USBs
Speaker 2: and I can put one in each television. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you could have done it so much cheaper. It
Speaker 2: cost me sixty nine bucks. I see a lot. But
Speaker 2: you know what I did last night, and I've got
Speaker 2: to say, I know I'm trying to quantify my spending
Speaker 2: or qualify my spending, justify and justify. My mate came
Speaker 2: over to watch a movie and instead we sat down
Speaker 2: in front of the paintings and we just sat there
Speaker 2: watching the paintings and we talked about them. We tried
Speaker 2: to guess which painter painted them, and then we discussed
Speaker 2: the styles of painting. Seriously, it was really fun. We
Speaker 2: sat there for probably about half an hour, just look
Speaker 2: at all these paintings going across the screen.
Speaker 1: Patrick, just to heads up in future, before you say
Speaker 1: things like my mate came over and we sat on
Speaker 1: the couch looking at paintings on my TV in the
Speaker 1: pre production meeting that we don't have, you really fucking
Speaker 1: need to because the little credibility in brand that you had,
Speaker 1: you just you just fucked it up, all right, So Melissa,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, edit that out.
Speaker 2: No Ah, I'm all right embarrassed. Why does that embarrass you, grag, I.
Speaker 1: Said, embarrass me. I'm just worried about you and how
Speaker 1: are you How are you going to get a husband
Speaker 1: doing that?
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Do you want a husband?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, I'm happy, happy being single.
Speaker 1: Do you want to? For those who are late to
Speaker 1: the show, of course, Patrick Patrick's gay and I might be.
Speaker 1: I'm still working through a few things.
Speaker 2: Met further company of men. I went to it.
Speaker 1: Exit, hang on, hang on, hang on, we haven't finished.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're fucking nervous. Do you want to?
Speaker 1: Do you want to? Are you worried that one of
Speaker 1: your four boyfriends is listening now?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have any boyfriends.
Speaker 1: Do you want Do you want a boyfriend? Or are
Speaker 1: you just happy just hanging out?
Speaker 2: Look if someone came along and they were the prince,
Speaker 2: charming the night and shining, No, I'm not out looking
Speaker 2: for it, So that answer to your question. I'm very contented.
Speaker 2: I've got lots of friends, i have a great lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I've got a good lot work life balance, and I
Speaker 2: don't feel the need to out there looking for someone
Speaker 2: to kind of be a partner. No, that's not on
Speaker 2: the cards for.
Speaker 1: A forty year old jacked, athletic, super kind, generous, hilarious,
Speaker 1: beautiful nature. If you're listening to this. Patrick's not interested
Speaker 1: in you, so fucking right off.
Speaker 2: You've got to keep options open. Come on, Craig in
Speaker 2: the same boat.
Speaker 1: So if you're that guy I just described, definitely don't
Speaker 1: email Patrick.
Speaker 2: No. I think that one of the interesting things about
Speaker 2: coming out of an eleven year relationship this is seven
Speaker 2: years ago. One of the interesting things is you come
Speaker 2: out of a relationship thinking, oh, man, I'm going to
Speaker 2: miss out on so much and I'm going to try
Speaker 2: to work hard to get into another relationship. But then
Speaker 2: you get to a point where there's a contented aspect
Speaker 2: of being alone and being and what I mean by
Speaker 2: being alone being single? I shouldn't say alone, because I'm
Speaker 2: never alone. I've got me, I've got my Schnauzer, but
Speaker 2: I also have so many friends. And don't laugh. Schnauzer
Speaker 2: is just a dog. You're just putting another meaning on
Speaker 2: the words now.
Speaker 1: No, but no, you do make a really good point.
Speaker 1: I'll shut up after this. Is that is it? Being
Speaker 1: alone doesn't necessarily mean being lonely, right exactly, And being
Speaker 1: in a crowd doesn't necessarily mean you're not lonely.
Speaker 2: A good one. I've just been reading a book called
Speaker 2: The Finish Guide to Happiness, and the Finns consistently since
Speaker 2: the World Index of Happiness has been published. I think
Speaker 2: they've been the number one happiest nation on Earth consistently
Speaker 2: for the last sixteen years or something, for as long
Speaker 2: as the study has been going. And it's interesting that
Speaker 2: the mindset of the Finish is very different than a
Speaker 2: lot of people. But what I found really interesting is
Speaker 2: a lot of Finnish people really thrive on a loan
Speaker 2: time and going out of the forest, going for a
Speaker 2: walk by themselves. And I think that once you embrace that,
Speaker 2: once you start to enjoy your own company and the
Speaker 2: freedom of your own company, I think that that's where
Speaker 2: I settled into and that's wherehere I'm at at the moment.
Speaker 2: I do like my own company, and I kind of
Speaker 2: feel contented when I can just you know, bum around
Speaker 2: the house. I do talk to Fritz while I'm walking around,
Speaker 2: but I kind of enjoy it, you know, putting on
Speaker 2: I've rediscovered the joy of vinyl. I go up still,
Speaker 2: I get my go to my Vinyl record collection and
Speaker 2: I listen to an entire album. Whereas if you've got
Speaker 2: it on Spotify, you can do stuff. You can walk
Speaker 2: around and you listen to one song and then you
Speaker 2: curate your music playlist. But for me to listen to
Speaker 2: an album from start to finish, yeah great. I love
Speaker 2: doing that. So now kind of enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Just to supporting your data there. According to the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four World Happiness Report, who fucking knew that ssted
Speaker 1: Inland is the happiest country in the world for the
Speaker 1: seventh year in a row. This ranking is based on
Speaker 1: several factors including life satisfaction, social support, freedom, generosity, and
Speaker 1: the absence of corruption. I'm moving at Finland. Other top
Speaker 1: ranked countries include Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Wow, all these Nordic countries,
Speaker 1: and Israel Wow, which make up not so Nordic the
Speaker 1: top five. Finland's enduring happiness is often attributed to a
Speaker 1: focus on simplicity, connection with nature, and a strong sense
Speaker 1: of community. You should be finished, dude, you would love
Speaker 1: it there. The finished lifestyle prioritizes balance and contentment to
Speaker 1: daily habits like outdoor activities and social cohesion. You read
Speaker 1: that and you go, well, of course, well, of course,
Speaker 1: but it's just isn't it funny that that's abnormal?
Speaker 2: I like to think that moving to a rural town
Speaker 2: of a population of three thousand people, we do think
Speaker 2: and you know, it's funny. It was a really windy, windy, windy,
Speaker 2: windy night last night and it's recycling today for a
Speaker 2: rubbish collection, and my friend who I walk with, we
Speaker 2: probably picked up about three or four rubbish bins and
Speaker 2: in fact put the litter back into the bins and
Speaker 2: set them right again because we didn't want litter all
Speaker 2: around our neighborhood. And we just did that, you know,
Speaker 2: we walked around and we looked at each other and thought,
Speaker 2: we'll just clean this up. So we cleaned up at
Speaker 2: least three spills and a few knocked over bins because
Speaker 2: you know, it was nice to just have a clean
Speaker 2: environment and not have crap blowing around everywhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is good, and that is like I
Speaker 1: wish it was like that everywhere. I think the smaller
Speaker 1: the town, not always, but I guess the more that
Speaker 1: you feel connected because there ain't that many of you,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas you know where I live in Bayside, Melbourne,
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of thousands of people and everyone's pretty fucking busy.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know any of the people whose bins
Speaker 2: we picked up and cleaned up after. I mean, I
Speaker 2: do know a lot of people in town, but in
Speaker 2: this instance, not one of those bins belong to anybody
Speaker 2: that I actually knew. And I'm not taking credit. I
Speaker 2: don't want to pad on the back or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But we felt compelled to do it because we live
Speaker 2: in an area where we like to think that we're
Speaker 2: sharing that with everybody else and if it's nice for us,
Speaker 2: it's nice for them, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to I've always this is a terrible segue,
Speaker 1: but it's on your list, and I'm just curious about
Speaker 1: I'm always I've been interested in the value of warranties.
Speaker 1: You know, when something comes with a warranty and then
Speaker 1: you go, oh, it's still in warranty, and then you
Speaker 1: go in to get your warranty whatever because the thing
Speaker 1: broke and they're like, oh yeah that well, yeah that's
Speaker 1: not covered. That's not covered. So, by the way, didn't
Speaker 1: you read the twenty seven pages of fine print if
Speaker 1: you read the because you know it's in there. So
Speaker 1: tell me about Australian consumer law and what it has
Speaker 1: to say about this.
Speaker 2: Well, pat on the back to the Consumer Watchdog because
Speaker 2: we actually have some of the strongest consumer laws in
Speaker 2: the world. And what people may not realize, and quite
Speaker 2: often when you go and buy say white goods or
Speaker 2: black goods, they'll try to do an upsell give you
Speaker 2: an extra year warranty for seventy five bucks. All those
Speaker 2: extended warranties are worth bugger or because you don't need them.
Speaker 2: If you buy a fridge and there's an expected life
Speaker 2: of we'll say eight years of a fridge and in
Speaker 2: three years time, the warranty has been expired for two years.
Speaker 2: If your fridge dies and it's not because of an
Speaker 2: electrical fault as in like there's a power surge, but
Speaker 2: if it dies just through normal operation, they are the
Speaker 2: company that manufactured it has to replace it under consumer law.
Speaker 2: So if it's a defect as a result of the
Speaker 2: manufacturing process, so there's an expected life of lots of products,
Speaker 2: and I kind of talk about fridge is the big
Speaker 2: sale items. But if your fridge dies within two years
Speaker 2: and it's not because of a power surge, it's just
Speaker 2: that it was badly built, then under consumer law you
Speaker 2: can have that replaced, fixed or replaced.
Speaker 1: I wonder what yeah, but I wonder when you actually
Speaker 1: rock up and tell them that there's a difference between
Speaker 1: what you just said and that.
Speaker 2: They know it. No, no, no, they know it. They
Speaker 2: all know it. They absolutely all know it. This is
Speaker 2: something that's probably a hidden one of those things. We
Speaker 2: don't talk about it because it only what happens in
Speaker 2: the family stays in the family. You know, we don't
Speaker 2: talk about Uncle Charlie. But no, what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that a lot of these the laws are very transparent
Speaker 2: and are known to all these companies that sell us stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just thought of something. Go on, Sorry,
Speaker 1: this is I've got a story that's going to fucking
Speaker 1: blow your jocks off. Yeah, okay, this got just talking
Speaker 1: about talking about well this is a very fucking vague segue,
Speaker 1: but you're going to love this story.
Speaker 2: So I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to say who
Speaker 1: because I don't I haven't been given the Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say someone that I know, Well,
Speaker 1: she works with a lady. Let's just say they're both nurses,
Speaker 1: which is true, right, I'm not giving I'm just saying
Speaker 1: who it is. So that I was talking to my
Speaker 1: friend the other day, and she was worked that day
Speaker 1: with a friend of hers who's a nurse. So a
Speaker 1: friend of hers had just come back from let's just say,
Speaker 1: an overseas location where she went to get new breasts. Right,
Speaker 1: So you know how people go overseas to get different
Speaker 1: kinds of surgery is so this is like firsthand, this
Speaker 1: is not twenty seventh hand. So this lady went outseas
Speaker 1: to get breast augmentation in a country where allegedly it's
Speaker 1: you know, like great work, half the price. Blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: had a good experience, got the surgery done. What are
Speaker 1: you looking up, Patrick, I can tell you looking something up.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking up anything. I was just muting my
Speaker 2: microphone so I didn't make noise whilst you were talking.
Speaker 1: Oh that's all right anyway. So she had the surgery done,
Speaker 1: was very happy with the job, and on the flight
Speaker 1: back to Australia, started to experience shortness of breath right
Speaker 1: and and passed out. Woke up like, regained consciousness, just
Speaker 1: wasn't in a good way. Got to I think it
Speaker 1: was Melbourne, and went straight to the hospital. They did
Speaker 1: all these scans, tests, X rays and when in this country.
Speaker 1: When they had done the breast augmentation, they took one
Speaker 1: of her lungs.
Speaker 2: What what like?
Speaker 1: What told you? Told you? I'm trying to get this person.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can, but I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get this person on the show.
Speaker 2: Oh MG.
Speaker 1: Now, now this has just come from someone that I
Speaker 1: know quite well and trust. So all I can say
Speaker 1: is that's what I've been told, right, I don't have
Speaker 1: hard But also somebody else said to me, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a version of that. That's not that's not completely rare.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is like, this is somebody that you
Speaker 1: know that it's reasonably close to home. It's not like
Speaker 1: just some internet story. So I'm and I said, can
Speaker 1: can you access that person? I would so love to
Speaker 1: chat to that person? But could you imagine that? Could
Speaker 1: you imagine?
Speaker 2: It brings me back to a poem I learnt on
Speaker 2: a school camp when I was about twelve. Can I
Speaker 2: tell you the poem?
Speaker 1: Oh God, okay.
Speaker 2: One lung's one met two lungs two down by the
Speaker 2: shore of the sux Young Sea. Now one lung's one
Speaker 2: said the two lungs two, one lung you must give
Speaker 2: to me, so that I could have two lungs too,
Speaker 2: but two lungs too, said the one lungs one. If
Speaker 2: I give you one lung, I will only have one
Speaker 2: lung too. At this one lung one got mad and
Speaker 2: thrusty sword he drew and ran two lung two through.
Speaker 2: So now too lung too? Was only one lung too?
Speaker 1: How the fuck do you remember that?
Speaker 2: I know what is wrong with it, what I had
Speaker 2: for breakfast, But I remember that.
Speaker 1: You're a savant dude. No, that is that is that
Speaker 1: is just no, you are, but not in a good way.
Speaker 1: Like that is just shit that nobody needs in their mind. No, now, everyone,
Speaker 1: I can't verify that story. I'm just telling it. I
Speaker 1: don't have absolute proof, so don't send me an email.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna keep digging and if it is true,
Speaker 1: and it seems like it might be, then I'm going
Speaker 1: to work really hard to try and get that particular
Speaker 1: person on the show. Let's do one more and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and have a coffee, just anything
Speaker 1: you like.
Speaker 2: Are you inviting me to have a coffee?
Speaker 1: I would love you to come down here.
Speaker 2: We'll meet halfway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just me and your four boyfriends. I won't get
Speaker 1: in the road at all.
Speaker 2: Oh I okay, can I give a hint, a tip
Speaker 2: or a trick that people may not know about because
Speaker 2: I found this little trick a little while ago. If
Speaker 2: you happen to use a PC so or Windows based computer,
Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite favorite tips that I
Speaker 2: tell people, and once they start using it, they can't
Speaker 2: believe they didn't know that you could do this. In Windows.
Speaker 2: When you copy something, you do you know, you use
Speaker 2: the control copy key, right, so controls C to copy
Speaker 2: and then control V to paste. Do you do that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the time, but he does except if you use
Speaker 2: the Windows key instead of the control key. So if
Speaker 2: you go control copy but then Windows paste, what does
Speaker 2: is it brings up a clipboard.
Speaker 1: On hang on, where the fuck is the Windows button?
Speaker 2: That's the one at the bottom, So you've got control function.
Speaker 2: And then some keyboards will have a little Windows icon
Speaker 2: that looks like the Windows logo. Some of them might
Speaker 2: it might say start or something like that, but it's
Speaker 2: actually three keys in from the bottom.
Speaker 1: So mine says start. Is that that is it?
Speaker 2: So if you if you use that and you use
Speaker 2: that to copy, it's a paste control copy and then
Speaker 2: use the Windows V. It will bring up a clipboard
Speaker 2: and it will show all the last things that you
Speaker 2: copied and paste previously.
Speaker 1: So okay, So say I highlight a bunch of text
Speaker 1: in a word document, I press control CEE that copy
Speaker 1: is it? And then normally I put it in a
Speaker 1: new document, go control V and it just planks it
Speaker 1: there right, which is paste.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you do Windows V and then your computer
Speaker 2: will prompt you to say do you want to use
Speaker 2: the clipboard? And you say yes, and then what I'm more,
Speaker 2: it's more useful when I've got clients that we're helping,
Speaker 2: say they're registering a domain name, and you've got a
Speaker 2: form you have to fill out, and it's the person's name, surname, address, location.
Speaker 2: Rather than going copy paste, copy paste, copy paste, you
Speaker 2: just go copy copy, copy, copy, copy all the way around,
Speaker 2: and then you go to the new form and all
Speaker 2: of those things that you've just copied are all there
Speaker 2: in front of you by hitting Windows paste or in
Speaker 2: the case, yeah, it's try it. If you're a Windows user,
Speaker 2: you will find this really effective. And it's as nerdy
Speaker 2: as it is, it is so so super super useful.
Speaker 1: I think we might make a little real of you
Speaker 1: on the internet doing one Young, too Young, one Lung,
Speaker 1: too lung? Where did you? Where did you get that?
Speaker 2: From school camp? Just a school camp? I went on,
Speaker 2: I don't know if someone told me at school camp, and.
Speaker 1: You must have invested a fair bit of time memorizing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it just triggered something. I found it really funny,
Speaker 2: quirky or something, and it just stuck in my head.
Speaker 2: I just told you one of the most useful things
Speaker 2: you'll ever do on a computer, and you went back
Speaker 2: to my poem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it that useful? Patrick? How do people connect
Speaker 1: with you? If you're forty good looking you've got abs
Speaker 1: a sick pack. Not that it's only about the aesthetics.
Speaker 1: It's mainly that if you're a vegan, help if you're
Speaker 1: a vegan. If you're a vegan, you're definitely not going
Speaker 1: to look like that. Oh you're going to be hunched
Speaker 1: over and gasping for air. But you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: kidding vegans, of course, Patrick's not like that. Of course
Speaker 1: I love you, all vegans, carnivores and all of you.
Speaker 1: How do people find you? Mate?
Speaker 2: If you go to websites noow, dot com dot au.
Speaker 2: They can kind of just connect with us and have
Speaker 2: a chat to me about stuff I think we mentioned.
Speaker 2: Did anybody come back to us in the last episode
Speaker 2: of come up with the topic they wanted me to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I go in
Speaker 1: there every day.
Speaker 2: But Tip went on holiday and then everything turned to crap.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much true. True. Tip will be back next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so websites now dot com today, you just jump
Speaker 2: on there, say gooday, have a look, we'll do the chat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: One last thing, but only thirty seconds. What's the update
Speaker 1: on the bloody the dojo under the house?
Speaker 2: Actually we used it for our first filming yesterday, as
Speaker 2: I told you, the woman with the sticks and stuff.
Speaker 2: But look, I've decided to put some flooring in. I
Speaker 2: just had chipboard, and the chipboard got stood over by
Speaker 2: all the building people, so it got moddy and looked crap.
Speaker 2: So I've decided to get some nice flooring put in.
Speaker 2: So I'm very excited. Toilet went in yesterday. Wow, but
Speaker 2: having Yeah, the finish isn't as good as I was hoping.
Speaker 2: Not the finishes in Finland, but the other finish when
Speaker 2: you finish a product. Sorry, I'll just have a segue
Speaker 2: to earlier chat about it.
Speaker 1: So you won't be happy with your finish, but everyone
Speaker 1: who is finish is happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I tell a bad joke?
Speaker 1: Fuck? It couldn't be worse than the last.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's pretty bad. Massage parlor. Four blokes, one's going in,
Speaker 2: one's leaving, one's already inside, and one's just waiting out
Speaker 2: the front. What are their nationalities? Ah?
Speaker 1: Well, is this you know where a family? You know
Speaker 1: where a Christian podcast?
Speaker 2: Aren't you?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 2: You can cut this out. The one going inside is Russian,
Speaker 2: the one already inside is him Alayan, the one leaving
Speaker 2: is finish, and the one waiting at the front it's Harps.
Speaker 2: He's waiting for the light to turn green.
Speaker 1: You're a dickhead, all right, Thank you? See your mate.