1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. I hope you're bloody terrific. This 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: is the conclusion of my conversation yesterday with Patrick. There 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: was a whole lot of a whole lot of chat 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: about at times not much, I'm going to be honest, 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: but kind of amusing and funny and a little bit 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: informative in places I feel free not to listen. But 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. He enjoyed it, and you might too. 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Here we go, tell me why fitness apps and fitbits 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: might not be the amazing resources that we thought they 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: would be. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: Look, I I do use a tracker, and I like 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: to kind of just casually glance and see what my 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: average heart rate is. I know it always goes up 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: when I talk to you. I've done six three hundred 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: and forty six steps today. My heart rates fifty eight. 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: Is that good at the moment. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: That's very healthy. That's very low. That's fifty eight. 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Well, also it's probably like if and even that's you thinking, conversing, concentrating, Yeah, 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: probably if you were just sitting there really chilled, it 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: might be around fifty. Which is it's not completely absolute, 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: but it's highly indicative that you're very fit. 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, which is interesting because I've had to have 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: a break from the gym. But I'm not doing as 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: much cardio. But I do run up and down the 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: stairs constantly. The good thing about being forgetful in the 27 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: two story house, and you do this as well, I know, 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: is how many times in the morning do you run upstairs? 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: I never walk up my stairs ever, I always always 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: run up the stairs, and I always leave something up 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: the stairs. At least four or five trips a morning. 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: I'm bolting up and down the stairs, so that probably helps. 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: Speak. Can I just say read something to you which 34 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: you'll find funny? Speaking about that which I wrote the 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: other day? Have you ever been worried about something, gotten 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: distracted for a while, and then after the distraction has passed, 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: you're still worried, but you can't remember why. Right, it's gone. 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: It's gone. The worry has gone from your mind, but 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: it's still in your body. This phenomenon is called emotional residue. 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: It happens when the body retains the physiological effects of 41 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: stress or worry, even though the mind may have moved 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: on or forgotten the specifics of the cause. The body's 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: stress response increased heart rate, blood pressure, stress or mines, 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: et cetera. Lingers because emotional and physiological processes operate on 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: different timelines. The brain might not consciously recall the worry, 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: but the body's reaction will persist, creating a lingering sense 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: of unease. 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: That's so interesting. So yeah, so once the you know, 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: it's that what do they call the effect? And it's 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: a chain reaction effect, isn't it? Once in motion, you 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: can't retract it. It's just going to play itself out. 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: That's a really interesting little thought process there. And when 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: I was talking, we were talking earlier about fitbits and 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: calorie counters and all that, and I think they're great 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: because I do like to keep a target every day 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: to see that I've walked a certain amount that I've 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: done as many steps as I have and is my 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: heart rate up or down? And am I stressed? But 59 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: there is a concern now that people can get somewhat obsessive. 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: So it may even damage people's well being if they're 61 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: focusing too much and become obsessed on this. Now I've 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: got a true story. I was talking to somebody who 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: had said to me they were trying to get ten 64 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: thousand steps a day, which is really funny because ten 65 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: thousand steps was the Japanese Do you know the story 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: about why ten thousands is the is the I do? 67 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: But tell everyone? Yep. 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: So the marketing company or the company that came up 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: with the first fitness tracker or basically a stepper, what 70 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: they did was they were Japanese company. They realized that 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: the Japanese character for ten thousand looks like a person walking, 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: So their marketing department said ten thousand that's how many 73 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: steps you need to make in a day. So the 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: original pedometer, the step calculator was just that ten thousand 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: was just a marketing ploye. So that's been adopted, you know. 76 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: But do you know, as it turns out, in my opinion, 77 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: it's not a bad goal. It's not a bad goal. 78 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: Was it about seven kilometers or no? It's a bit 79 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: less than that, isn't it? Maybe six k It depends. 80 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: A little bit, well, it depends a lot on your 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: stride length. So someone who's super lank in tall like 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: you only kidding, but people's stride length typically walking varies 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: between about sixty and eighty centimeters. So if you sixty 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: and you take ten thousand, that six k's if you're 85 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: eighty and you take ten thousand steps, it's about eight k's. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: But the average if you had to go what is it, ballpark, 87 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: typically it's around seventy. 88 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So people, there's three types of people who 89 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: get these fitness trackers. There's the ones that engage with 90 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: it initially and then lose interest. The ones have a 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: kind of a long stable, long term interaction, which I 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: reckon would be I'm not obsessed by my steps. If 93 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: I get to the end of the day and it's like, ah, 94 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: I didn't do as much as yesterday, I'll try better 95 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: the next day, that's me. But those people who become obsessive. So, 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: as I was saying, a friend of mine had his 97 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: goal of ten thousand and realized before bed that they 98 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: still needed under two thousand steps, so they went walking 99 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: around their house to try to keep the steps up 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: and get to the ten thousand. Now that's obsessive. 101 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: That's that's actually really normal. It's like so many people, 102 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the crab does that. The crab's got to 103 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: set him out and crabs My training partner everyone, most 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: of you know that he's like that. He will if 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: he looks and his steps a low he'll walk out 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: the front of the house at eleven o'clock at night 107 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: just to get up to where he wants it to be. 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: That's not rare, that's more common than But you know, 109 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: you raise a really good point, Patrick, When does the 110 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: healthy thing become the become the unhealthy thing? Like there's 111 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: a there's a condition called athletica nevosa. You'll be able 112 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what that means, right, And so that 113 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: is just when people become absolutely obsessed about exercise, and 114 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: now they're overtraining, often undersleeping, under recovering, and now they 115 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: have a new condition, which is emotional and psychological anxiety 116 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: around how much exercise they're doing or not doing. And 117 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: if per chance, I'm absolutely sure I had this when 118 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: I was a kid, because I was completely fucking obsessed. 119 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: When these people get injured and they actually can't work out, 120 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: like they've broken an ankle or something, and now they 121 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: can't run, oh my god, it's literally like withdrawing from 122 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Heroin for some of them. Yeah, that's interesting that thing 123 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: of and even you know, and this is funny coming 124 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: from the bloke that eats two meals a day and 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: doesn't drink and all of that but sometimes I meet 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: people who have gone from unhealthy and out of shape 127 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: and they both basically become evangelistic zealots where now you know, 128 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: every every calorie, every micro nutrient, macro nutrient is tracked 129 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: within a millimeter of its life. And and yeah, there's 130 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: there's a line. There's a line where it's good to 131 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: be disciplined, it's good to be in control, but it's not, 132 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, obsession and discipline. It's like about one step 133 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: away from each other. 134 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: I have to have a chuckle to myself because I 135 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: often hear that about vegans, that the militant vegans, you know, 136 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: the ones that raided factories and release all the chickens 137 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: and then the chickens run around everywhere and get run over. 138 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: That's not why did you say that? 139 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: It's true though that happens. It's silly they. 140 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: But also when you release those chickens that have been 141 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: in a cage their whole life, what the fuck are 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: they going to do? 143 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Not like they know how to, they don't have eggs, 144 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: They just wobble around. They don't get a chance to 145 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: exercise their acrophied muscles. 146 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Because yeah, that is that is vegans, you know, have 147 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: a better plan if you can, like have a better 148 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: plan than that. 149 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: It's not all vegans at least any animals. 150 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: But you're a vegan, aren't you? 151 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 152 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: Or are you a vegetarian? 153 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: And I'm vegan vegan, I was vegetarian for ten years 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: or pescatarian for ten years. 155 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: And then is that why you're all hasty? 156 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm not. No, it's the light slaring on my camera. 157 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: It looks weird and a shut up. 158 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: You say it's you say it's that, I say, eat 159 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: a steak. I mean, really, come on, bro, it's okay. 160 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: I had to laugh. After I'd been vegan for twelve months, 161 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: I went to my doctor and I thought, I better 162 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: get my blood's done and just see if I'm getting 163 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: a balanced diet. And kept saying to me, yeah, you're iron, 164 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: You're iron, it's the whole. Yeah, you're iron. You can't 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: get iron. And my results came back and the doctor said, look, 166 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: everything's fantastic stick except your iron, and I thought, oh shit, 167 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: everyone was right. 168 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Too much. 169 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: You got double the amount. He said, stop taking your 170 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: supplements because what it be taking, you're taking too much 171 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: of it. So I had to have the daily allowance 172 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: because the normal daily allowance was too much. 173 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Wow, did you know that there's there's research coming out 174 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: now exploring the consciousness of plants? 175 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've read. There was an amazing 176 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: book that I read that talked about how trees can 177 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: communicate to each other when they's say a fire or 178 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: one in danger. And what's even more mind blowing is 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: they worked out they used a kind of a mitochondrial 180 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: connection under the ground. I think it's a synerg some 181 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: sort of I don't know, relationship with fungi as well. 182 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: But they discovered that a tree that had been felled 183 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: so completely cut off was being kept alive by the 184 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: other trees around it a stump. 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: And there's also I read this, I don't know the 186 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: story or report or an article, but about this forest 187 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: and at one end of the forest, basically up one end, 188 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: these insects started destroying the foliage on the trees. And 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: these insects was slowly working their way through the forest, 190 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: and the trees that were in the path had been 191 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: connect had been I don't know whatever, informed, whatever we 192 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: want to call it, and so they developed this kind 193 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: of a chemical defense. And so by the time the 194 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: destructive insects got about I don't know. Halfway through. A 195 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: third of the way through, the trees had built this 196 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: kind of chemical defense mechanism that made the foliage taste shitouse, 197 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: and they just stopped. And it's like, yeah, there's this 198 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: there's this neural like structure like which resembles a form 199 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: of intelligence and communication. And I think, I don't know, 200 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that they're sentient in 201 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: the way that we understand sentience, or conscious in the 202 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: way that we understand consciousness. But there is absolutely some 203 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of messaging or communication. 204 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: This book, I was telling you about the hidden life 205 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: of trees, what they feel, how they communicate, discoveries from 206 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: a secret world. A guy by the name of Peter 207 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Wolhoman I think is the name. But yeah, the Hidden 208 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: Life of trees. It was really interesting to find so 209 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: much more. 210 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: Nonetheless, you still look pasty, all right? 211 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: No, don't. I just turned, I turned, I turned the blind. 212 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: Do I still look pasty? Really? 213 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: No? No, you actually look annoyingly healthy. Somebody said to 214 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: me the other day. Do you and Patrick actually get 215 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: on well? Or is that just fun? I go, he's 216 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: one of my best friend, which. 217 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: I don't think. I could fake that. Honestly, Yeah, I 218 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: fucking yeah. Like some if I don't like someone, I 219 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: think they must know that I don't like them because 220 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: I can't fake it. I'm really bad at lying. I 221 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: tell really bad jokes, but halfway through the joke, I 222 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: start grinning, so people know there is a joke coming 223 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: and they yeah. 224 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: So you try to present it as a story. 225 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, That's exactly how I do my delivery of jokes. 226 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: So I don't think you know people who I genuinely like. 227 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: I think that people genuinely know that I like them 228 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: because I find it hard to fake that. I don't 229 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: think I could fake liking someone. 230 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't think. So. Hey, this is not surprising to me. 231 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: But there's been some research on sitting and the dangers 232 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: or potential fatality of sitting. And I mean, I've been 233 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: telling people for twenty years where the sit down generation, 234 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: and it's going to fucking kill us, or at least contribute. 235 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Tell us about what they found. 236 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: Well, I want to preface this by saying that the 237 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: study was forty five thousand people, like, not just one 238 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: or two people, but forty. 239 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: That's a great participant number. 240 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 2: It is, it is, and it was published by the 241 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: British Journal of Sports Medicine, and what they're saying is 242 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: that thirty to forty minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise 243 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 2: daily will counteract the negative effects of prolonged sitting. Because 244 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: the thing is people can sit up to ten hours 245 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: a day. You might be sitting at your desk for 246 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: a normal workday, and then you when you watch television, 247 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: so you're compounding that by just plunking your you know, 248 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: your backside on the couch as well. So I guess 249 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: the key findings were that you know a lot of 250 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: people in our generation who sit at desks, the you know, 251 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: the effects are long standing. You know, we know that 252 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: there are lots you'd know from a physiological perspective the 253 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: detrimental effects of sitting for prolonged period in terms of 254 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: your posture, what happens to your body, what happens to 255 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 2: your spine because your spine's not stretching. It's really crazy stuff. 256 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: And to have to do that much work a day, 257 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean, thirty to forty minutes of moderate vigorous exercise 258 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: is going to be hard for some people. 259 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and no, I'm like, fucking get over it. 260 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Just do it. I mean, come on, like really, it's 261 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, but you're right. So you think about when 262 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: you're sitting like you and me right now, we are 263 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: in what's called hip flexion. So our hips are bent, 264 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: which is flex called flexion anatomically, our knees are inflection. 265 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: And many people, when we're sitting at a desk, our 266 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: back is hunched. We have what's called a chiphotic posture, 267 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: that kind of thoracic. I'm looking at me right now 268 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: and my shoulders are forward, and if I turn sideways 269 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: like I'm about to, you know, you have that kind 270 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: of shoulders forward, head forward in an ideal world that 271 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: we don't live in. But yeah, your shoulders, like the 272 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: middle of your shoulders want to be back in the 273 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: midline of your body, and your head doesn't want to 274 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: be forward. Your head weighs about four kilos nine pounds, 275 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: and ideally you want your head to be back. But 276 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: when we as in aligned with your the rest of 277 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: your body. But virtually everyone at a computer or a 278 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: desk sits there in this neck flexion so head forward position, 279 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: and no wonder so many people have got fucked shoulders 280 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: and necks because the way that we sit predisposes to 281 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: that kind of injury or that kind of condition. Sorry, 282 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: But also another really interesting thing, Patrick James, is that 283 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: these days people think that we we're getting you know, 284 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: that obese and overweight is going through the roof because 285 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: we just eat lots more. It ain't true we eat more, 286 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: but we only eat a little bit more. But what 287 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: we do do, Comma, your honor comma, is we move 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: a lot less. So you are exactly right now, think 289 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: about a lot of people. So they lie down for 290 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: eight hours, they sleep, then they get up and sit 291 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: at the breakfast table. Then they sit in the car 292 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: on the way to work or the tram or the train. 293 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: Then they sit at work all morning. Then they get 294 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: up to go to lunch and sit to eat lunch, 295 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: then sit at their desk for all lavo, then sit 296 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: to go home, then get home and go I'm fuck, 297 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: They've got to sit down right, and then they sit 298 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: on the couch or they sit for dinner, and then 299 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, like the amount of fourteen hundred and forty 300 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: minutes a day. Like I look at my dad, obviously 301 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: he's old, but I said this to him. I saw 302 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: him on the weekend and I said, Dad, you would 303 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: be lucky to be standing for thirty minutes a day 304 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: because he spends his day in bed, like all these 305 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: nights in bed, and then a lot of sitting just 306 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: because he recently had an operation, so he's been crooked. 307 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: So it's understandable, I said, but you can't keep doing 308 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: that because twenty three and a half hours a day 309 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: where your eighty five year old body is lying or 310 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: sitting is a recipe for fucking disaster. You don't need 311 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: to be running marathons or deadlifting one thousand pounds, but 312 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: we need to get you more active more of the time. 313 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, the extra weight that we're seeing on a 314 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: lot of people is less about less than we think 315 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: about the additional calories in and more about the fewer 316 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: calories out. Energy expenditure is down on a generation or too, 317 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: go way down. 318 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I bought myself just a hybrid stand 319 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: up desk, which is you just sit this desk on 320 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: top of your existing desk and it's just a hydraulic desk. 321 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: It stands up. I think it took me a week, 322 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: and that's got to be maybe five years. I'm trying 323 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: to think how long I've had it. It's been a 324 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: long long now, maybe less than that, maybe three years. 325 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: But I stand up at my desk all day, every day. 326 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: I can't imagine sitting down. I've got a footpad that 327 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: is really handy, and I wear good comfortable shoes. You 328 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: got to wear comfortable shoes, and it really helps a lot. 329 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: I find standing up is great. I do use a 330 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: foot rest when I'm sitting down, so right now as 331 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: we're talking, I have one of those triangular footrests as well, 332 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: which helps me sit up a little bit straighter. But 333 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 2: definitely I always use the foot rest when I was 334 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: sitting at my desk, and then when I graduated to 335 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: having a stand up desk, I love it. I love 336 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: standing up and being on my feet all day, which 337 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: sounds weird, but for me it's certainly helped a lot. 338 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: I think I'm with you. I've got a stand up 339 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 1: desk as well. I reckon it's worth like, speaking of gadgets, 340 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: the best gadget that I've bought in terms of gadgets 341 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: in the last five years is this desk. It's got 342 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: two motors and its people go, oh, that's a extravagant 343 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Not really, it's a cost a grand, which is not cheap, 344 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: but I know people who spend fucking a grand on nothing, 345 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: And I use it every single day, and I just 346 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: push a button and it goes up. It's got it's 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: almost completely silent, obviously, two electric motors, and it's six 348 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: foot long, and it's two foot white, so one hundred 349 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: and eighty centimeters by six hundred or by sixty centimeters, 350 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: and it's just it just makes that transition from sitting 351 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: working to standing and working really easy. And like, I 352 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: think that if you're ever going to spoil yourself on 353 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: a luxury that is actually really fucking good for your 354 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: neck and back and shoulders and spine. And also think 355 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: about this, standing even just standing spends somewhere close to 356 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: twice the energy per unit of time as sitting. So 357 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: even if you just want to burn more calories do 358 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: thing other than just not be in a chair, it's 359 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: good for your health as well. In that way, on 360 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: top of all the postural stuff that you spoke about, Patrick, I. 361 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: Went for the hydraulic version as well, so you press 362 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: a button and that it moves up and down, which 363 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't use at all ever anymore, because after about 364 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: two weeks I didn't need it to go back down anymore. However, 365 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: I just did a bit of a search online. You 366 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: can buy what they call it a sit stand ergonomic 367 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: desk that sits on top of your existing desk for 368 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: ninety nine bucks. Yeah, do with search. It's honestly, that's 369 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: the cheapest best investment ever in ongoing health. I would 370 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: absolutely totally encourage, if you do anything listening to this show, 371 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: get a stand up desk. It's great if you're stuck 372 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: at your desk all day. I think that you'd really 373 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: find a lot of benefits. 374 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: In the old days, we would have got about five 375 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: phone books, but there are no phone books anymore. 376 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: Nah. No, I haven't seen a phone book for a 377 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: long like a Malway directories. I know all people who 378 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 2: still buy them because you can still get them, but 379 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: really I haven't looked at a street directory. Yeah. I've 380 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: got friends of mine who always carries a street directory 381 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: in their car the other day or. 382 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Not the other day, that's a lie. Two months ago, 383 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: I was taking my dad to a different gym and 384 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't I didn't know exactly so he lives in 385 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: more Well. We were going into Elgin and I just 386 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: press a button in my car and I say set 387 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: navigation for such and such gym, and it goes setting 388 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: navigation and then it comes up and my dad looks 389 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: at me like we're in the future and this is 390 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: just in my shitty little Suzuki, right, It's not like 391 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: it's not like it's a Rolls Royce or a fucking Maserati. 392 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: And he's look. I go, yeah, I know, it's freaky, 393 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like you just tell this thing to 394 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: do this. Imagine back in the seventies when you're fumbling 395 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: around in front of the HR station wagon, you know, 396 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: looking for Map seventy nine B, trying to get to 397 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: a restaurant in Brunswick or something, and you know, you 398 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: just press a button on your steering wheel and you 399 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: tell the car to tell you, and then it goes 400 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: setting navigation and then it literally talks to you until 401 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: you get there. 402 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: And it also now a lot of like I know, 403 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: Google does this with Google Maps and Google Android Auto. 404 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: What they do is they monitor traffic conditions so a 405 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: crowd source what people are doing. So if you've got 406 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: ten Android using drivers who get to an intersection and 407 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: suddenly they're all stacked side by side or behind each other, 408 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: it will look for an alternate route. One day, I 409 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: was traveling to Melbourne and there was bump at a 410 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: bumper traffic. So it told me to get off at 411 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: the service station, drive around the service station, and then 412 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: jump back on again and it saved me five minutes. Yeah, 413 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: I basically piggyback to all that traffic and Google told 414 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: me to do that. 415 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: I was coming home from my mum and dad and 416 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: it's just straight down Princess Highway Freeway and you go 417 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: from literally from kind of Berwick and just stay on 418 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: the same road for ninety minutes. You don't turn left right, 419 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: and then Mum and Dad are like, one, k off that. 420 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: And I was coming home from there and it told 421 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: me just to turn left here. I'm like what for. 422 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: It's like some boonstock backwoods fucking road. I'm like, nah, 423 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: fuck off. And then of course, and then I get 424 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: up here, there's a crash, and then I'm just sitting 425 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: in absolute mayhem. It was telling me like it knew, 426 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: and I ignored it, and I ended up stuck in 427 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: traffic that I could have avoided. And then I could 428 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: see in the distance all these smarter than me people 429 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: just bypassing the Mayhem because the road was like parallel 430 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: but four hundred meters away, and by the time I 431 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: went past it, I couldn't get back there. 432 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, of little faith you didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We 433 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: were talking about gadgets. Can I just I wanted to 434 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: talk about a gadget I bought this week that my 435 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 2: colleague mocked me for right now. It was one of 436 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: those spins that seems a little excessive for something that's 437 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 2: so commonplace. And what it is is one of those 438 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: USB thumb drives with five hundred of the world's best 439 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: paintings in high resolution that you plug into the back 440 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: of your TV and it just cycles through them as 441 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: a screen saver, so Van Goch and all those sorts 442 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: of things, and it was really really amazing. I plugged 443 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 2: it in yesterday my colleague. I told my colleague about it, 444 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: and he said, why didn't you just download them from 445 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: the internet. I said, but that's five hundred high quality, 446 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: high rest paintings. He says, yeah, the places you can 447 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: go to download them. I said, but I just had 448 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: to buy this, and they sent me out to USBs 449 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: and I can put one in each television. He said, yeah, 450 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: but you could have done it so much cheaper. It 451 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: cost me sixty nine bucks. I see a lot. But 452 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: you know what I did last night, and I've got 453 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: to say, I know I'm trying to quantify my spending 454 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: or qualify my spending, justify and justify. My mate came 455 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 2: over to watch a movie and instead we sat down 456 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: in front of the paintings and we just sat there 457 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: watching the paintings and we talked about them. We tried 458 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: to guess which painter painted them, and then we discussed 459 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: the styles of painting. Seriously, it was really fun. We 460 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: sat there for probably about half an hour, just look 461 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: at all these paintings going across the screen. 462 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: Patrick, just to heads up in future, before you say 463 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: things like my mate came over and we sat on 464 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: the couch looking at paintings on my TV in the 465 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: pre production meeting that we don't have, you really fucking 466 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: need to because the little credibility in brand that you had, 467 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: you just you just fucked it up, all right, So Melissa, 468 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: if you're listening, edit that out. 469 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: No Ah, I'm all right embarrassed. Why does that embarrass you, grag, I. 470 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Said, embarrass me. I'm just worried about you and how 471 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: are you How are you going to get a husband 472 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: doing that? 473 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm not. 474 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Do you want a husband? 475 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: No? No, No, I'm happy, happy being single. 476 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: Do you want to? For those who are late to 477 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: the show, of course, Patrick Patrick's gay and I might be. 478 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm still working through a few things. 479 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: Met further company of men. I went to it. 480 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: Exit, hang on, hang on, hang on, we haven't finished. 481 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're fucking nervous. Do you want to? 482 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: Do you want to? Are you worried that one of 483 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: your four boyfriends is listening now? 484 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: No, I don't have any boyfriends. 485 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: Do you want Do you want a boyfriend? Or are 486 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: you just happy just hanging out? 487 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 2: Look if someone came along and they were the prince, 488 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: charming the night and shining, No, I'm not out looking 489 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: for it, So that answer to your question. I'm very contented. 490 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: I've got lots of friends, i have a great lifestyle. 491 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: I've got a good lot work life balance, and I 492 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: don't feel the need to out there looking for someone 493 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 2: to kind of be a partner. No, that's not on 494 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: the cards for. 495 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: A forty year old jacked, athletic, super kind, generous, hilarious, 496 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: beautiful nature. If you're listening to this. Patrick's not interested 497 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: in you, so fucking right off. 498 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: You've got to keep options open. Come on, Craig in 499 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: the same boat. 500 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: So if you're that guy I just described, definitely don't 501 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: email Patrick. 502 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: No. I think that one of the interesting things about 503 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: coming out of an eleven year relationship this is seven 504 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: years ago. One of the interesting things is you come 505 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: out of a relationship thinking, oh, man, I'm going to 506 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: miss out on so much and I'm going to try 507 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 2: to work hard to get into another relationship. But then 508 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: you get to a point where there's a contented aspect 509 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: of being alone and being and what I mean by 510 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: being alone being single? I shouldn't say alone, because I'm 511 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: never alone. I've got me, I've got my Schnauzer, but 512 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: I also have so many friends. And don't laugh. Schnauzer 513 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: is just a dog. You're just putting another meaning on 514 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: the words now. 515 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: No, but no, you do make a really good point. 516 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: I'll shut up after this. Is that is it? Being 517 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: alone doesn't necessarily mean being lonely, right exactly, And being 518 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: in a crowd doesn't necessarily mean you're not lonely. 519 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: A good one. I've just been reading a book called 520 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 2: The Finish Guide to Happiness, and the Finns consistently since 521 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: the World Index of Happiness has been published. I think 522 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: they've been the number one happiest nation on Earth consistently 523 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: for the last sixteen years or something, for as long 524 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: as the study has been going. And it's interesting that 525 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: the mindset of the Finish is very different than a 526 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: lot of people. But what I found really interesting is 527 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: a lot of Finnish people really thrive on a loan 528 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: time and going out of the forest, going for a 529 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: walk by themselves. And I think that once you embrace that, 530 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: once you start to enjoy your own company and the 531 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: freedom of your own company, I think that that's where 532 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: I settled into and that's wherehere I'm at at the moment. 533 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: I do like my own company, and I kind of 534 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: feel contented when I can just you know, bum around 535 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: the house. I do talk to Fritz while I'm walking around, 536 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: but I kind of enjoy it, you know, putting on 537 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: I've rediscovered the joy of vinyl. I go up still, 538 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: I get my go to my Vinyl record collection and 539 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: I listen to an entire album. Whereas if you've got 540 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: it on Spotify, you can do stuff. You can walk 541 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: around and you listen to one song and then you 542 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: curate your music playlist. But for me to listen to 543 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: an album from start to finish, yeah great. I love 544 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: doing that. So now kind of enjoy that. 545 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: Just to supporting your data there. According to the twenty 546 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: twenty four World Happiness Report, who fucking knew that ssted 547 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: Inland is the happiest country in the world for the 548 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: seventh year in a row. This ranking is based on 549 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: several factors including life satisfaction, social support, freedom, generosity, and 550 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: the absence of corruption. I'm moving at Finland. Other top 551 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: ranked countries include Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Wow, all these Nordic countries, 552 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: and Israel Wow, which make up not so Nordic the 553 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: top five. Finland's enduring happiness is often attributed to a 554 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: focus on simplicity, connection with nature, and a strong sense 555 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: of community. You should be finished, dude, you would love 556 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: it there. The finished lifestyle prioritizes balance and contentment to 557 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: daily habits like outdoor activities and social cohesion. You read 558 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: that and you go, well, of course, well, of course, 559 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: but it's just isn't it funny that that's abnormal? 560 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: I like to think that moving to a rural town 561 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: of a population of three thousand people, we do think 562 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: and you know, it's funny. It was a really windy, windy, windy, 563 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: windy night last night and it's recycling today for a 564 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: rubbish collection, and my friend who I walk with, we 565 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: probably picked up about three or four rubbish bins and 566 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: in fact put the litter back into the bins and 567 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: set them right again because we didn't want litter all 568 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: around our neighborhood. And we just did that, you know, 569 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: we walked around and we looked at each other and thought, 570 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: we'll just clean this up. So we cleaned up at 571 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: least three spills and a few knocked over bins because 572 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, it was nice to just have a clean 573 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: environment and not have crap blowing around everywhere. 574 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, that is good, and that is like I 575 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: wish it was like that everywhere. I think the smaller 576 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: the town, not always, but I guess the more that 577 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: you feel connected because there ain't that many of you, 578 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, whereas you know where I live in Bayside, Melbourne, 579 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,479 Speaker 1: there's hundreds of thousands of people and everyone's pretty fucking busy. 580 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know any of the people whose bins 581 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: we picked up and cleaned up after. I mean, I 582 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: do know a lot of people in town, but in 583 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: this instance, not one of those bins belong to anybody 584 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: that I actually knew. And I'm not taking credit. I 585 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: don't want to pad on the back or anything like that. 586 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: But we felt compelled to do it because we live 587 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: in an area where we like to think that we're 588 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: sharing that with everybody else and if it's nice for us, 589 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: it's nice for them, and vice versa. 590 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to I've always this is a terrible segue, 591 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: but it's on your list, and I'm just curious about 592 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm always I've been interested in the value of warranties. 593 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, when something comes with a warranty and then 594 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: you go, oh, it's still in warranty, and then you 595 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: go in to get your warranty whatever because the thing 596 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: broke and they're like, oh yeah that well, yeah that's 597 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: not covered. That's not covered. So, by the way, didn't 598 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: you read the twenty seven pages of fine print if 599 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: you read the because you know it's in there. So 600 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: tell me about Australian consumer law and what it has 601 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: to say about this. 602 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: Well, pat on the back to the Consumer Watchdog because 603 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: we actually have some of the strongest consumer laws in 604 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: the world. And what people may not realize, and quite 605 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: often when you go and buy say white goods or 606 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: black goods, they'll try to do an upsell give you 607 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: an extra year warranty for seventy five bucks. All those 608 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: extended warranties are worth bugger or because you don't need them. 609 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: If you buy a fridge and there's an expected life 610 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: of we'll say eight years of a fridge and in 611 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: three years time, the warranty has been expired for two years. 612 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 2: If your fridge dies and it's not because of an 613 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: electrical fault as in like there's a power surge, but 614 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: if it dies just through normal operation, they are the 615 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: company that manufactured it has to replace it under consumer law. 616 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: So if it's a defect as a result of the 617 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: manufacturing process, so there's an expected life of lots of products, 618 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 2: and I kind of talk about fridge is the big 619 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: sale items. But if your fridge dies within two years 620 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: and it's not because of a power surge, it's just 621 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: that it was badly built, then under consumer law you 622 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 2: can have that replaced, fixed or replaced. 623 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: I wonder what yeah, but I wonder when you actually 624 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: rock up and tell them that there's a difference between 625 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 1: what you just said and that. 626 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 2: They know it. No, no, no, they know it. They 627 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: all know it. They absolutely all know it. This is 628 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: something that's probably a hidden one of those things. We 629 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: don't talk about it because it only what happens in 630 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 2: the family stays in the family. You know, we don't 631 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: talk about Uncle Charlie. But no, what I'm saying is 632 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: that a lot of these the laws are very transparent 633 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 2: and are known to all these companies that sell us stuff. 634 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just thought of something. Go on, Sorry, 635 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: this is I've got a story that's going to fucking 636 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: blow your jocks off. Yeah, okay, this got just talking 637 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: about talking about well this is a very fucking vague segue, 638 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: but you're going to love this story. 639 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: So I can't. 640 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to say who 641 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: because I don't I haven't been given the Okay, So 642 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say someone that I know, Well, 643 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: she works with a lady. Let's just say they're both nurses, 644 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: which is true, right, I'm not giving I'm just saying 645 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: who it is. So that I was talking to my 646 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: friend the other day, and she was worked that day 647 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: with a friend of hers who's a nurse. So a 648 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: friend of hers had just come back from let's just say, 649 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: an overseas location where she went to get new breasts. Right, 650 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: So you know how people go overseas to get different 651 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: kinds of surgery is so this is like firsthand, this 652 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: is not twenty seventh hand. So this lady went outseas 653 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: to get breast augmentation in a country where allegedly it's 654 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, like great work, half the price. Blah blah blah, 655 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: had a good experience, got the surgery done. What are 656 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: you looking up, Patrick, I can tell you looking something up. 657 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: I'm not looking up anything. I was just muting my 658 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 2: microphone so I didn't make noise whilst you were talking. 659 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's all right anyway. So she had the surgery done, 660 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: was very happy with the job, and on the flight 661 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: back to Australia, started to experience shortness of breath right 662 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: and and passed out. Woke up like, regained consciousness, just 663 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: wasn't in a good way. Got to I think it 664 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: was Melbourne, and went straight to the hospital. They did 665 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: all these scans, tests, X rays and when in this country. 666 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: When they had done the breast augmentation, they took one 667 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: of her lungs. 668 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: What what like? 669 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: What told you? Told you? I'm trying to get this person. 670 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can, but I'm trying to 671 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: get this person on the show. 672 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 2: Oh MG. 673 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: Now, now this has just come from someone that I 674 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: know quite well and trust. So all I can say 675 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: is that's what I've been told, right, I don't have 676 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,959 Speaker 1: hard But also somebody else said to me, Oh, yeah, 677 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: that's a version of that. That's not that's not completely rare. 678 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is like, this is somebody that you 679 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: know that it's reasonably close to home. It's not like 680 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: just some internet story. So I'm and I said, can 681 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: can you access that person? I would so love to 682 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: chat to that person? But could you imagine that? Could 683 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: you imagine? 684 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 2: It brings me back to a poem I learnt on 685 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: a school camp when I was about twelve. Can I 686 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 2: tell you the poem? 687 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh God, okay. 688 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: One lung's one met two lungs two down by the 689 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 2: shore of the sux Young Sea. Now one lung's one 690 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: said the two lungs two, one lung you must give 691 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: to me, so that I could have two lungs too, 692 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: but two lungs too, said the one lungs one. If 693 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: I give you one lung, I will only have one 694 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 2: lung too. At this one lung one got mad and 695 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 2: thrusty sword he drew and ran two lung two through. 696 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 2: So now too lung too? Was only one lung too? 697 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: How the fuck do you remember that? 698 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 2: I know what is wrong with it, what I had 699 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: for breakfast, But I remember that. 700 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: You're a savant dude. No, that is that is that 701 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: is just no, you are, but not in a good way. 702 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Like that is just shit that nobody needs in their mind. No, now, everyone, 703 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: I can't verify that story. I'm just telling it. I 704 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: don't have absolute proof, so don't send me an email. 705 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna keep digging and if it is true, 706 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: and it seems like it might be, then I'm going 707 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: to work really hard to try and get that particular 708 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,399 Speaker 1: person on the show. Let's do one more and then 709 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and have a coffee, just anything 710 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: you like. 711 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 2: Are you inviting me to have a coffee? 712 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: I would love you to come down here. 713 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: We'll meet halfway. 714 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, just me and your four boyfriends. I won't get 715 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: in the road at all. 716 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 2: Oh I okay, can I give a hint, a tip 717 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 2: or a trick that people may not know about because 718 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: I found this little trick a little while ago. If 719 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 2: you happen to use a PC so or Windows based computer, 720 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite favorite tips that I 721 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: tell people, and once they start using it, they can't 722 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 2: believe they didn't know that you could do this. In Windows. 723 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 2: When you copy something, you do you know, you use 724 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 2: the control copy key, right, so controls C to copy 725 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 2: and then control V to paste. Do you do that? Yeah, 726 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 2: all the time, but he does except if you use 727 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 2: the Windows key instead of the control key. So if 728 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 2: you go control copy but then Windows paste, what does 729 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 2: is it brings up a clipboard. 730 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: On hang on, where the fuck is the Windows button? 731 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 2: That's the one at the bottom, So you've got control function. 732 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,439 Speaker 2: And then some keyboards will have a little Windows icon 733 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 2: that looks like the Windows logo. Some of them might 734 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: it might say start or something like that, but it's 735 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 2: actually three keys in from the bottom. 736 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: So mine says start. Is that that is it? 737 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 2: So if you if you use that and you use 738 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: that to copy, it's a paste control copy and then 739 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 2: use the Windows V. It will bring up a clipboard 740 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 2: and it will show all the last things that you 741 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 2: copied and paste previously. 742 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: So okay, So say I highlight a bunch of text 743 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: in a word document, I press control CEE that copy 744 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: is it? And then normally I put it in a 745 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: new document, go control V and it just planks it 746 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: there right, which is paste. 747 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 2: Yes, but you do Windows V and then your computer 748 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 2: will prompt you to say do you want to use 749 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 2: the clipboard? And you say yes, and then what I'm more, 750 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 2: it's more useful when I've got clients that we're helping, 751 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 2: say they're registering a domain name, and you've got a 752 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 2: form you have to fill out, and it's the person's name, surname, address, location. 753 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 2: Rather than going copy paste, copy paste, copy paste, you 754 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: just go copy copy, copy, copy, copy all the way around, 755 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 2: and then you go to the new form and all 756 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: of those things that you've just copied are all there 757 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: in front of you by hitting Windows paste or in 758 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 2: the case, yeah, it's try it. If you're a Windows user, 759 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 2: you will find this really effective. And it's as nerdy 760 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: as it is, it is so so super super useful. 761 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: I think we might make a little real of you 762 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: on the internet doing one Young, too Young, one Lung, 763 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: too lung? Where did you? Where did you get that? 764 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 2: From school camp? Just a school camp? I went on, 765 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if someone told me at school camp, and. 766 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: You must have invested a fair bit of time memorizing. 767 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I you know, I don't know. 768 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: I think it just triggered something. I found it really funny, 769 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 2: quirky or something, and it just stuck in my head. 770 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 2: I just told you one of the most useful things 771 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 2: you'll ever do on a computer, and you went back 772 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: to my poem. 773 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, is it that useful? Patrick? How do people connect 774 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: with you? If you're forty good looking you've got abs 775 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: a sick pack. Not that it's only about the aesthetics. 776 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: It's mainly that if you're a vegan, help if you're 777 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: a vegan. If you're a vegan, you're definitely not going 778 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: to look like that. Oh you're going to be hunched 779 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: over and gasping for air. But you know, I'm just 780 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: kidding vegans, of course, Patrick's not like that. Of course 781 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: I love you, all vegans, carnivores and all of you. 782 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: How do people find you? Mate? 783 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 2: If you go to websites noow, dot com dot au. 784 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 2: They can kind of just connect with us and have 785 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 2: a chat to me about stuff I think we mentioned. 786 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 2: Did anybody come back to us in the last episode 787 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 2: of come up with the topic they wanted me to 788 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 2: talk about. 789 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I go in 790 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: there every day. 791 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 2: But Tip went on holiday and then everything turned to crap. 792 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty much true. True. Tip will be back next time. 793 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so websites now dot com today, you just jump 794 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: on there, say gooday, have a look, we'll do the chat. Yeah, 795 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 2: all right. 796 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: One last thing, but only thirty seconds. What's the update 797 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: on the bloody the dojo under the house? 798 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 2: Actually we used it for our first filming yesterday, as 799 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 2: I told you, the woman with the sticks and stuff. 800 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 2: But look, I've decided to put some flooring in. I 801 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 2: just had chipboard, and the chipboard got stood over by 802 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 2: all the building people, so it got moddy and looked crap. 803 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: So I've decided to get some nice flooring put in. 804 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 2: So I'm very excited. Toilet went in yesterday. Wow, but 805 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,800 Speaker 2: having Yeah, the finish isn't as good as I was hoping. 806 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: Not the finishes in Finland, but the other finish when 807 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 2: you finish a product. Sorry, I'll just have a segue 808 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 2: to earlier chat about it. 809 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: So you won't be happy with your finish, but everyone 810 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: who is finish is happy. 811 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I tell a bad joke? 812 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: Fuck? It couldn't be worse than the last. 813 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 2: Oh, it's pretty bad. Massage parlor. Four blokes, one's going in, 814 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 2: one's leaving, one's already inside, and one's just waiting out 815 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 2: the front. What are their nationalities? Ah? 816 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: Well, is this you know where a family? You know 817 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: where a Christian podcast? 818 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 2: Aren't you? 819 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: Come on? 820 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 2: You can cut this out. The one going inside is Russian, 821 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 2: the one already inside is him Alayan, the one leaving 822 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: is finish, and the one waiting at the front it's Harps. 823 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 2: He's waiting for the light to turn green. 824 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: You're a dickhead, all right, Thank you? See your mate.