Speaker 1: Apoge production. Robert Whitwell was stabbed to death in his
Speaker 1: own home in Adelaide in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: The Court her Dwire was motivated by money and was
Speaker 2: inspired by a horror television show.
Speaker 1: His granddaughter, Britney, was convicted of his murder.
Speaker 2: Lost my dad and I've lost my daughter.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we'll find out why she did it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your granddad.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first word that came to mind just
Speaker 2: now when you said that was regal. He was a
Speaker 2: very eloquent man, very kind. After he passed away. For example,
Speaker 2: we were doing a we're raising funds to get a
Speaker 2: chair in the potanical gardens. He loved, loved photography and
Speaker 2: he loved the potanical gardens. And when I was raising
Speaker 2: funds for that, we had all these random people donate money,
Speaker 2: which was so nice. And it was like Shirley at
Speaker 2: the local. Ita would talk about how he was so
Speaker 2: sweet and would like bring her flowers, and you know,
Speaker 2: Bob down the road, he would check in and see
Speaker 2: how you know, his wife was doing. And just all
Speaker 2: these complete random people that he just went amongst his
Speaker 2: day and just spoke to, which I think really shows
Speaker 2: the character that he was. You know, he used to
Speaker 2: he used to donate blood to the Red Cross. He
Speaker 2: donated so much blood they actually told him he can't
Speaker 2: do it anymore.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He got his like two hundredth certificate.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He was just he was a community man, he really was.
Speaker 2: And I think that really comes from him growing up
Speaker 2: with he had four brothers in total, going through the
Speaker 2: scarcity of World War two, and you know, even for Adelaide,
Speaker 2: you know, they had underground bunkers and they were rationed
Speaker 2: on food and his dad worked at the local butchery.
Speaker 2: So just that sort of up bringing I think really
Speaker 2: made him a bit of a fixture with how he
Speaker 2: went about his life. You know, something I learned actually
Speaker 2: through him was South Australia was the only state in
Speaker 2: Australia that you weren't allowed to be a convict to
Speaker 2: come from England to go to South Australia, you actually
Speaker 2: had to be someone notable, like a labor or a
Speaker 2: landowner or something like that. And so that's actually how
Speaker 2: our family got here. They bought land and set up
Speaker 2: in South Australia.
Speaker 1: You didn't call him Granddad, you call him another name.
Speaker 1: What was the name he used to call him popa Poppa?
Speaker 1: What's that about?
Speaker 2: It's funny, really, I think he wanted that name from
Speaker 2: from get go, and I think the best person to
Speaker 2: speak about it would probably be my mother. But that
Speaker 2: was the name. That's what we were calling him, and
Speaker 2: I think it was to maybe be a little cool,
Speaker 2: you know, be a little bit different, instead of granddad
Speaker 2: or something like something you have readge. It was just
Speaker 2: to it was going to be Popper.
Speaker 3: Why did we call Popper Popper? Where did that name
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 4: He asked for that name because his dad was called Popperoper.
Speaker 4: We used to call him proper with but.
Speaker 3: I sort of figured you must have called your grandfather Popper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was my Propper. And then that that's just
Speaker 4: what dad wanted to be called.
Speaker 1: And he was.
Speaker 3: I think that goes back to his thing about family lineage, right,
Speaker 3: like he was always so passionate about especially I feel
Speaker 3: like with his grandkids about knowing all the history and
Speaker 3: photos of your Popper and his Popper and weel all
Speaker 3: the way back and it was amazing that he had
Speaker 3: all that stuff and.
Speaker 4: He was putting all his He even had some program
Speaker 4: that allowed him to put the slide onto the laptop,
Speaker 4: so he had the Minion photo.
Speaker 3: He did love digitalizing, like he thought he was so cool.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't the viruses on the internet.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they freaked him out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know what he used to do with my photos.
Speaker 4: I'd send them to dad, the digital ones. I'd send
Speaker 4: them to Popper and he would edit my photos and
Speaker 4: then send them back to me. So he would crop
Speaker 4: them and do this and this and this and send
Speaker 4: them back to me. He was a very patient photographer.
Speaker 4: I remember we would be in the botanical gardens or
Speaker 4: something and he wanted to take a photo of a
Speaker 4: specific flower and he would wait for the sun to
Speaker 4: be in the right position and no one in the photo.
Speaker 4: And he had so much.
Speaker 1: So your pop up was your mom's dad. What was
Speaker 1: their relationship like?
Speaker 2: Very close because her mom walked out her words when
Speaker 2: she was seven and she has a young brother justin
Speaker 2: you know, my grandfather was a single dad, single parent
Speaker 2: through from when my mom was you know, seven all
Speaker 2: the way onwards, and my mom was a bit of
Speaker 2: a bit of a rebel, you know, trying to wrangle
Speaker 2: her and all of that. I think they got really close.
Speaker 2: My grandfather and my mom would even you know, states apart,
Speaker 2: would talk to each other every single week and and
Speaker 2: that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: What did your papa do for a living?
Speaker 2: Growing up? He also, like all the other brothers, worked
Speaker 2: in the butchery, which was actually on where the main
Speaker 2: airfield is now in Adelaide. It doesn't exist anymore, but
Speaker 2: there was a butchery there and they would they'd all
Speaker 2: work in there. But then he got into the government
Speaker 2: and he worked for the Department of Land. Okay, years
Speaker 2: and years and years it.
Speaker 1: Was said that he was he was wealthy. What did
Speaker 1: that look like?
Speaker 2: He was wealthy? Do you know? It's funny because of
Speaker 2: the type of guy he is. You know, he got
Speaker 2: around in a kia and then he might upgrade to
Speaker 2: like as Azuki Billino, and you know, he certainly was
Speaker 2: not flashy. Lived in a very modest house all the
Speaker 2: way in Craigmoar in South Australia, where he could have
Speaker 2: lived in the penthouse in Adelaide, but that's just that
Speaker 2: wasn't his jam. That's not what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: So we didn't know at the time, well I didn't.
Speaker 2: My mother might have, but I have a feeling she
Speaker 2: did not how wealthy actually was We knew he did
Speaker 2: all right, and he was very clever with money, and
Speaker 2: we knew that he made sure he instilled the value
Speaker 2: of a dollar and what that dollar can do to
Speaker 2: all of us. But no, we didn't realize how wealthy
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: You said that you could call your granddad for anything.
Speaker 1: But if Brittany had have called your granddad to ask
Speaker 1: for a loan, she might have got a talking too.
Speaker 1: But I'm guessing he's the sort of man that would
Speaker 1: have given her that line ndred percent.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, take it back to my own experience.
Speaker 2: You know, I did the wrong thing. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was struggling a little bit earning money and whatnot.
Speaker 2: I wasn't making enough to live the lifestyle I wanted
Speaker 2: to live, essentially, and I was using toll roads and
Speaker 2: not paying for them, and it all caught up with me.
Speaker 2: And I think it was about five thousand dollars worth
Speaker 2: of tolls. Yeah, but I called him and I said,
Speaker 2: I've done this, and you know, yeah, he gave me
Speaker 2: a lecture for sure, But ten thousand dollars turned up
Speaker 2: in my bank account, you know, And is that a
Speaker 2: gift or is that a payback or you know, he
Speaker 2: is very much like, you need to pay this back,
Speaker 2: you know, set up a plan put ten dollars a
Speaker 2: week in my bank account. But as long as you
Speaker 2: start doing that in about three months, he goes just
Speaker 2: forget it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: He wants to see that you made the commitment, yes,
Speaker 1: and that you're willing to pay off your debt. The responsibility, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: which sort of brings me back to you what you
Speaker 1: did with your own sister. You know, it was actually
Speaker 1: about the responsibility of this is our life works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, even growing up with mom
Speaker 2: and dad again, that responsibility from my grandfather really came through.
Speaker 2: We had chores that we had to do every single Saturday,
Speaker 2: and my parents gave us an allowance, and if we
Speaker 2: didn't do the chores correctly, the allowance got deducted, and
Speaker 2: if we didn't do a great job, five dollars would
Speaker 2: come out, ten dollars would come out, and then when
Speaker 2: we got our allowance, we had the taxman, and the
Speaker 2: taxman would take his share. We always knew the value
Speaker 2: of a dollar and how to get it, how to
Speaker 2: work for it.
Speaker 1: I guess it's now been revealed that your granddad probably
Speaker 1: didn't really believe in banking his money.
Speaker 2: I think that really comes from you know, there's certainly
Speaker 2: a lot of money still in the bank and in
Speaker 2: shares and bonds and stocks, but I think it was
Speaker 2: more around. You know, he paid his taxes his whole life,
Speaker 2: and his wife was actually a nurse in World War Two,
Speaker 2: so there was pensions and that sort of thing, and
Speaker 2: obviously if you have too much money, you don't get it.
Speaker 2: And you know, he really thought that was quite unfair
Speaker 2: after paying one hundreds and thousands of dollars attacks throughout
Speaker 2: the years, so you know, to keep that account a
Speaker 2: little bit lower so that they qualify. He would, yeah,
Speaker 2: he would keep his money out of the bank.
Speaker 1: And where would he stash it?
Speaker 2: All over the house?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was funny. I remember this time I was there
Speaker 2: for Christmas again, one of those trips that I did
Speaker 2: on school holidays. My nana was going to get money
Speaker 2: because we were going out somewhere and my grandfather was like, ah, Joyce,
Speaker 2: don't just pull out it in and all the money like,
Speaker 2: and I think at that time, I just remember seeing
Speaker 2: all the greens. I just went well, and it was
Speaker 2: probably only a thousand or two thousand dollars in a
Speaker 2: tin in the back of the laundry. You know, as
Speaker 2: we got older, there was obviously trust and so we
Speaker 2: started finding like my grandfather would say, year or you know,
Speaker 2: if anything was to happen to me, there's some here,
Speaker 2: And so we knew there was some in the shap
Speaker 2: there was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a secret to the family, obviously trusts the
Speaker 1: family that he had money stashed everywhere.
Speaker 2: I think the immediate family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So who immediate family were talking your mum, mum,
Speaker 1: myself and my sister. Did you ever talk about your
Speaker 1: granddad's stash with your sister?
Speaker 2: No, not really. It was never relevant, you know, like, no,
Speaker 2: it never really came up.
Speaker 1: How much money are we talking that you at the time,
Speaker 1: not now, but believe was maybe in the shed?
Speaker 2: Well then I thought probably ten twenty thousand dollars probably,
Speaker 2: I was, you know, why would you have any more
Speaker 2: stash in the shed? But you know, since everything happened, it, yeah,
Speaker 2: turned out to be well over one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in the shed, and there was other money in there
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: This is a bit of a strange question, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to know from Ryan if his pop had died
Speaker 1: of natural causes, then would it be likely that his
Speaker 1: inheritance would be shared with the family, including of course
Speaker 1: his mom Tanya. And like when most of us inherent
Speaker 1: money from a loved one, there's a high chance that
Speaker 1: your own family might share that inheritance with you. So
Speaker 1: I pose the question, if Robert had died of natural causes,
Speaker 1: it's likely that Brittany might have benefited from his millions
Speaker 1: in inheritance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And again with that lineage thing, and
Speaker 2: my mother still says it even to this day. You know,
Speaker 2: it's really about what you do in your life, was
Speaker 2: about setting up for your children as well. So absolutely
Speaker 2: the point of it was always to give something to
Speaker 2: the next generation, and so that would obviously flow down
Speaker 2: from my mum as well. And yeah, there were gifts.
Speaker 2: I was able to buy my grandfather's house because my
Speaker 2: mother gifted me the deposit. You still learn his house
Speaker 2: now I do, Yeah, So being able to to essentially
Speaker 2: that's inheritance. You know that money came from my grandfather.
Speaker 1: Brittany killed your granddad, she did, for one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars thereabouts, and it's highly likely she probably would have
Speaker 1: got that if he died of his own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually absolutely.
Speaker 1: Ryan's granddad wasn't flippant about having money stashed all over
Speaker 1: his house, although it was in lots of nooks and crannies.
Speaker 1: Ryan's popper knew exactly how much was stashed and where
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Her book next to the money, and he would talk
Speaker 2: about the moment money went in, money went out, who
Speaker 2: went to, wyatt went out.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't willing neary. He one percent knew where
Speaker 1: his money was and what it was there.
Speaker 2: And that goes for anything. Medication. He would keep the
Speaker 2: leftover medication containers so that he knew or somebody else
Speaker 2: knew exactly where he was up to with his medication.
Speaker 2: He was very particulous.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of Ryan's granddad's house. It's a single story,
Speaker 1: bricantile house with Federation green gutters. He had some very
Speaker 1: manicured hedges out front. The sort of house that you
Speaker 1: could walk past and not really admire a house, but
Speaker 1: you can see that someone that lived there took great
Speaker 1: pride in the garden. Robert looked like he was security conscious.
Speaker 1: He didn't have cameras or anything like that, but he
Speaker 1: did have security lights, a security screen on the front door,
Speaker 1: and security roller shutters on all the windows.
Speaker 2: I mean, the garden was always immaculate. It's immaculate. It
Speaker 2: was one of those houses that again modest, but very charming.
Speaker 2: You know, it had great street appeal. You drive up.
Speaker 2: The lawn was always manicured. You had those big hedge
Speaker 2: and it made it look beautiful. Roses he loved. Never
Speaker 2: a weed in sight. So it was always very manicured,
Speaker 2: very security conscious. So you know, there was roller shutters
Speaker 2: on the outside, but you could always tell when he
Speaker 2: was awake and when he was home or what if
Speaker 2: the case might be, because they would have always been
Speaker 2: up down.
Speaker 1: So there the roller shutters, the automatic ones you push
Speaker 1: a button and yeah, it's for light, but it's also
Speaker 1: for security. Yeah, so you can totally black out the
Speaker 1: house if you want.
Speaker 2: And they were on every window, every door. As you
Speaker 2: walk up the driveway onto the path, there's like a
Speaker 2: patio area at the front which is tiled. You go
Speaker 2: through the front door and immediately as you come up
Speaker 2: to this big brown door walk in. You have his
Speaker 2: bedroom on the right, which is the front of the house,
Speaker 2: and you have the formal lounge which you were never
Speaker 2: really allowed to go in on the left hand side.
Speaker 2: Beautiful pink carpet, those old school green drapes, you know,
Speaker 2: those really heavy with the doily looking sheet behind it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as you would walk in, there was quite
Speaker 2: a long corridor you'd walk through, and you had the
Speaker 2: dining room. There was quite a large kitchen, another living area,
Speaker 2: and then down another hallway and you had two other
Speaker 2: bedrooms in a bathroom.
Speaker 1: Have you renovated since your granddad passed?
Speaker 2: There is parts that I have renovated. Yes, there's parts
Speaker 2: that I sort of can't, you know, because I knew
Speaker 2: how much you know, it meant to hit him. Should
Speaker 2: I actually pay for a gardener to go there all
Speaker 2: the time, just to keep the lawns and the gardens
Speaker 2: intact so that they sort of preserve a memory?
Speaker 1: What are you remember about the smells in that house?
Speaker 2: Comfort? But yes, it smelled, you know, like your grandparents home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think they're all.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with those mothball things to keep the moths away.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was warm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something warm and comforting about being in your grandparents' house.
Speaker 1: There is, absolutely I still have memories of mine.
Speaker 2: You know, the house was always very tidy, very organized,
Speaker 2: but heavily cluttered, you know, if that makes sense. He
Speaker 2: was very into photography, and he thought he was very
Speaker 2: up with technology, like he would love this setup today.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He had one of those massive TVs that had, you know,
Speaker 2: the DVD player, the VCR player, and he can move
Speaker 2: things from a tape to a DVD and he just
Speaker 2: thought that was so cool. You know. He wouldn't dare
Speaker 2: get the internet, but he had a laptop. You know,
Speaker 2: we'd move all of his photos that he physically took,
Speaker 2: scan them to digitalize them.
Speaker 1: Brittany had two friends that are connected with this story
Speaker 1: of her granddad. One of those so called friends is
Speaker 1: a woman called Bernadette Burns. We'll go into details about
Speaker 1: the role she played in the murder of Ryan's granddad.
Speaker 1: The other is Shelby Holmes. Now, Shelby didn't play a
Speaker 1: role in Robert's death, but she was charged and convicted
Speaker 1: and pleaded guilty to serious aggravated criminal trespass and was
Speaker 1: handed a seventeen month suspended sentence. He's a snippet from
Speaker 1: the paper on the day.
Speaker 5: Shelby pleaded guilty to aggravated serious criminal trespass and was
Speaker 5: today handed a seventeen month suspended sentence. Just as Kevin
Speaker 5: Nicholson said he found good reason to suspend the sentence
Speaker 5: on a three year, one thousand dollars good behavior bond.
Speaker 5: The court heard Homes said she committed the offense out
Speaker 5: of friendship and on the basis we did everything together.
Speaker 5: She told the court that Brittany had been a strong
Speaker 5: and demanding influence. Her lawyer told the court that Holmes
Speaker 5: regarded Dwyer as her only friend. His client intended to
Speaker 5: steal thousands of dollars from mister Whitwell, but believed no
Speaker 5: one would notice because of the large amount of cash
Speaker 5: that was in the shed.
Speaker 1: My client did a monumentally stupid thing, but what happened
Speaker 1: some months later was nothing to do with my client
Speaker 1: or this offending.
Speaker 5: The maximum penalty for aggravated serious criminal trespass is life imprisonment.
Speaker 1: So in April of twenty sixteen, Shelby and your sister
Speaker 1: are living together at Shelby's parents house. They pack a
Speaker 1: bag together. Do you know what was in that bag?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Bolt cutters and tape and a knife. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Reading from the police report, there were bolt cutters and
Speaker 1: knife gloves, a hammer in snips and cable tires. Seems
Speaker 1: fairly clear what they were going to do. Do you
Speaker 1: know if they had their mobile phones with them when
Speaker 1: they where they did so on the thirtieth of April
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, they leave Brisbane and they drove to Adelaide
Speaker 1: just before Mother's Day. What do you know about what
Speaker 1: happened next?
Speaker 2: I know that. So they obviously went down and they
Speaker 2: were obviously going to try and take the money from
Speaker 2: the ship. Brittany knew her way around into the backyard. Essentially,
Speaker 2: he lived in a bit of a coulder sack and
Speaker 2: then there was like this alley way leading into the
Speaker 2: next street, and so you could actually park your car
Speaker 2: in that backstreet and just sort of walk through. And
Speaker 2: that's what they did.
Speaker 1: And they were chasing the house for a day or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the lead up. This is in April. They
Speaker 2: were looking at the house trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: was going on. A car kept driving past, and actually
Speaker 2: my grandfather brought it up with my mum. So this
Speaker 2: car keeps like driving up a street. It seems a
Speaker 2: little weird, and he was very security coptures.
Speaker 1: Did he have cameras or anything, not.
Speaker 2: Cameras, but the security shutters quite a large fence. The
Speaker 2: garage door was always shut. He would never leave it open.
Speaker 2: What they actually did was they brought a milk create
Speaker 2: with them and pushed it up against the fence, jumped
Speaker 2: over the fence, and because the garage was sort of
Speaker 2: open at the back, but it was all close up
Speaker 2: at the front. Once you're in the backyard, you could
Speaker 2: just walk straight to the garage and it was automatic
Speaker 2: and you could just push a button and it elevate it.
Speaker 2: And that's how Shelby.
Speaker 1: Got in Granddad's home at the stage. Yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 1: time is this? I think this was early evening. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that they actually decided to do it. Do you think
Speaker 1: he would have heard that garage door opening.
Speaker 2: Possibly, I mean he didn't have the best hearing towards
Speaker 2: the end, but he definitely would have been in that
Speaker 2: lounge room, which is pretty close by.
Speaker 1: So your sisters jump the fence using a milk crate.
Speaker 1: She's opened the garage door for Shelby to crawl under. Yep.
Speaker 1: They're both then inside the property. Yeah, from what we understand,
Speaker 1: they're planning on going to the shed yep, and trying
Speaker 1: to find that one hundred grand that your grandad's got
Speaker 1: meticulously stored yep, in the shed. They don't get that
Speaker 1: farther do that, They don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they get to the shed and there was
Speaker 2: a dog the next house that started barking, and then
Speaker 2: there was security lights that had turned on, and that
Speaker 2: sort of spook them a bit, and I think he
Speaker 2: started to make his way out to check it out.
Speaker 2: He just sees them slip underneath the garage door. It
Speaker 2: was only open a fraction and yeah, by the time
Speaker 2: he sort of got over there, they were gone.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he didn't recognize your sister, not at all. No,
Speaker 1: she was dressed inconspicuously for a robbery, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think at that time as well, they hadn't
Speaker 2: seen each other for a little while, and so my
Speaker 2: sister had put on way her hair was always a mess,
Speaker 2: So I dare say even if he had seen her,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have known who that was.
Speaker 1: So they run to the car.
Speaker 2: What do they do next, as far as I understand,
Speaker 2: is they ran to the car, jumped in the car,
Speaker 2: and then they went away and either they stayed at
Speaker 2: a hotel which they paid cash for or they drove
Speaker 2: all the way through the and actually came to Mother's
Speaker 2: Day breakfast.
Speaker 1: The next morning, after Brittany and Shelby tried to rob
Speaker 1: her granddad and drove overnight back to Brisbane. Brittany turns
Speaker 1: up at a Mother's Day breakfast at the Married Hotel
Speaker 1: on the Brisbane River. How was your sister that morning?
Speaker 2: She looked like she hadn't slapped, and she did look disheveled.
Speaker 2: Her hair again a mess. She had very bushy, puffy hair,
Speaker 2: I guess you can say generally, but she never took
Speaker 2: a brush to it ever, And yeah, it looked like
Speaker 2: she hadn't hadn't even had a shower. And obviously, to
Speaker 2: my mum's dismay, we're going to breakfast at a five
Speaker 2: star hotel and she can't even brush her hair, So
Speaker 2: obviously there was already words tension for breakfast. Was Shelby
Speaker 2: with her No, not at the breakfast, her demeanor that
Speaker 2: morning withdrawn it almost like like bored with the situation,
Speaker 2: like being there.
Speaker 1: Was the attempted robbery brought up. For instance, I'm guessing
Speaker 1: your granddad called your mum.
Speaker 2: He did, but not instantly, No, like a few weeks later,
Speaker 2: it sort of came up and and my my grandfather
Speaker 2: said to my mum, I think somebody was trying to
Speaker 2: break in, And Mom's like, like, where where were they?
Speaker 2: And it's in the in the shed trying to get
Speaker 2: to the shed, I think, and he noticed the milk
Speaker 2: crpe and realized, and I think my mom said, like,
Speaker 2: you need to move that money, like you should not
Speaker 2: be there if that's the case.
Speaker 1: Do you know if he did move the money. He did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did move it into a different location. He's
Speaker 2: still in the shed. But he had this like work
Speaker 2: bench that he had made himself in manual arts in
Speaker 2: like high school. So it was years and years old,
Speaker 2: and it actually had like this trapdoor situation underneath it,
Speaker 2: and he had it in there.
Speaker 1: So to find it you would need to know about
Speaker 1: that that or be a really good detective.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the next episode of My Sister the Murderer.
Speaker 2: They met through gum Tree, of all places. What came
Speaker 2: out in the court case was a substantial amount of
Speaker 2: two Mum, I am so sorry that it has been
Speaker 2: so long since I wrote you. The last letter Ryan
Speaker 2: mentioned that you needed time and that you hadn't read
Speaker 2: any of my.
Speaker 4: Dad wouldn't want me to be said, And you know
Speaker 4: you had those days we couldn't get out of bed,
Speaker 4: you couldn't face the world. And I know that Dad's
Speaker 4: looking down on me. And Dad wouldn't want me to
Speaker 4: be he's said he will. He be wanting me to
Speaker 4: live my life.
Speaker 2: Money was being made through prostitution, dealing drugs on behalf
Speaker 2: of people you know, to then get I guess free
Speaker 2: stock