WEBVTT - 2. Attempted Robbery 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:12.601 Apoge production. Robert Whitwell was stabbed to death in his 0:00:12.641 --> 0:00:15.321 own home in Adelaide in twenty sixteen. 0:00:15.801 --> 0:00:18.601 The Court her Dwire was motivated by money and was 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:20.841 inspired by a horror television show. 0:00:21.441 --> 0:00:24.480 His granddaughter, Britney, was convicted of his murder. 0:00:24.641 --> 0:00:27.161 Lost my dad and I've lost my daughter. 0:00:27.721 --> 0:00:30.281 In this episode, we'll find out why she did it. 0:00:32.281 --> 0:00:33.521 Let's talk about your granddad. 0:00:33.881 --> 0:00:35.801 I mean, the first word that came to mind just 0:00:35.881 --> 0:00:38.041 now when you said that was regal. He was a 0:00:38.161 --> 0:00:43.081 very eloquent man, very kind. After he passed away. For example, 0:00:43.161 --> 0:00:48.560 we were doing a we're raising funds to get a 0:00:48.641 --> 0:00:52.520 chair in the potanical gardens. He loved, loved photography and 0:00:52.561 --> 0:00:55.801 he loved the potanical gardens. And when I was raising 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.121 funds for that, we had all these random people donate money, 0:00:59.401 --> 0:01:02.401 which was so nice. And it was like Shirley at 0:01:02.401 --> 0:01:05.881 the local. Ita would talk about how he was so 0:01:05.921 --> 0:01:09.521 sweet and would like bring her flowers, and you know, 0:01:10.321 --> 0:01:13.161 Bob down the road, he would check in and see 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.761 how you know, his wife was doing. And just all 0:01:15.801 --> 0:01:20.360 these complete random people that he just went amongst his 0:01:20.521 --> 0:01:24.280 day and just spoke to, which I think really shows 0:01:24.321 --> 0:01:26.161 the character that he was. You know, he used to 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.280 he used to donate blood to the Red Cross. He 0:01:30.521 --> 0:01:33.080 donated so much blood they actually told him he can't 0:01:33.081 --> 0:01:33.681 do it anymore. 0:01:35.961 --> 0:01:36.161 You know. 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.721 He got his like two hundredth certificate. 0:01:40.681 --> 0:01:40.881 You know. 0:01:40.961 --> 0:01:43.681 He was just he was a community man, he really was. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.841 And I think that really comes from him growing up 0:01:46.881 --> 0:01:50.801 with he had four brothers in total, going through the 0:01:50.841 --> 0:01:56.321 scarcity of World War two, and you know, even for Adelaide, 0:01:56.441 --> 0:01:59.641 you know, they had underground bunkers and they were rationed 0:01:59.641 --> 0:02:02.681 on food and his dad worked at the local butchery. 0:02:03.401 --> 0:02:06.160 So just that sort of up bringing I think really 0:02:06.201 --> 0:02:09.481 made him a bit of a fixture with how he 0:02:09.961 --> 0:02:13.081 went about his life. You know, something I learned actually 0:02:13.081 --> 0:02:16.520 through him was South Australia was the only state in 0:02:16.921 --> 0:02:19.801 Australia that you weren't allowed to be a convict to 0:02:19.881 --> 0:02:23.041 come from England to go to South Australia, you actually 0:02:23.081 --> 0:02:27.001 had to be someone notable, like a labor or a 0:02:27.081 --> 0:02:29.881 landowner or something like that. And so that's actually how 0:02:29.921 --> 0:02:33.841 our family got here. They bought land and set up 0:02:33.881 --> 0:02:34.800 in South Australia. 0:02:34.881 --> 0:02:36.841 You didn't call him Granddad, you call him another name. 0:02:36.881 --> 0:02:39.201 What was the name he used to call him popa Poppa? 0:02:39.321 --> 0:02:40.361 What's that about? 0:02:40.641 --> 0:02:45.881 It's funny, really, I think he wanted that name from 0:02:45.921 --> 0:02:49.201 from get go, and I think the best person to 0:02:49.201 --> 0:02:51.241 speak about it would probably be my mother. But that 0:02:51.401 --> 0:02:53.561 was the name. That's what we were calling him, and 0:02:53.641 --> 0:02:56.321 I think it was to maybe be a little cool, 0:02:56.841 --> 0:02:59.441 you know, be a little bit different, instead of granddad 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.321 or something like something you have readge. It was just 0:03:01.361 --> 0:03:03.000 to it was going to be Popper. 0:03:03.201 --> 0:03:07.561 Why did we call Popper Popper? Where did that name 0:03:07.601 --> 0:03:09.521 come from? 0:03:09.641 --> 0:03:14.761 He asked for that name because his dad was called Popperoper. 0:03:15.121 --> 0:03:16.761 We used to call him proper with but. 0:03:16.761 --> 0:03:20.280 I sort of figured you must have called your grandfather Popper. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.361 Yeah, he was my Propper. And then that that's just 0:03:25.481 --> 0:03:27.160 what dad wanted to be called. 0:03:27.601 --> 0:03:28.521 And he was. 0:03:28.721 --> 0:03:32.601 I think that goes back to his thing about family lineage, right, 0:03:32.641 --> 0:03:36.281 like he was always so passionate about especially I feel 0:03:36.321 --> 0:03:40.241 like with his grandkids about knowing all the history and 0:03:41.401 --> 0:03:46.881 photos of your Popper and his Popper and weel all 0:03:46.921 --> 0:03:48.921 the way back and it was amazing that he had 0:03:48.961 --> 0:03:50.881 all that stuff and. 0:03:50.801 --> 0:03:55.321 He was putting all his He even had some program 0:03:55.441 --> 0:04:00.361 that allowed him to put the slide onto the laptop, 0:04:00.841 --> 0:04:03.401 so he had the Minion photo. 0:04:03.561 --> 0:04:06.281 He did love digitalizing, like he thought he was so cool. 0:04:06.321 --> 0:04:11.241 He wouldn't the viruses on the internet. 0:04:11.601 --> 0:04:13.121 Oh yeah, they freaked him out. 0:04:13.521 --> 0:04:13.801 Yeah. 0:04:13.841 --> 0:04:15.961 And you know what he used to do with my photos. 0:04:16.001 --> 0:04:19.361 I'd send them to dad, the digital ones. I'd send 0:04:19.361 --> 0:04:24.761 them to Popper and he would edit my photos and 0:04:24.801 --> 0:04:28.241 then send them back to me. So he would crop 0:04:28.361 --> 0:04:30.761 them and do this and this and this and send 0:04:30.761 --> 0:04:35.001 them back to me. He was a very patient photographer. 0:04:35.401 --> 0:04:38.241 I remember we would be in the botanical gardens or 0:04:38.281 --> 0:04:42.041 something and he wanted to take a photo of a 0:04:42.121 --> 0:04:45.960 specific flower and he would wait for the sun to 0:04:46.001 --> 0:04:50.280 be in the right position and no one in the photo. 0:04:50.841 --> 0:04:52.681 And he had so much. 0:04:52.361 --> 0:04:56.041 So your pop up was your mom's dad. What was 0:04:56.041 --> 0:04:57.001 their relationship like? 0:04:57.401 --> 0:05:02.721 Very close because her mom walked out her words when 0:05:02.761 --> 0:05:06.080 she was seven and she has a young brother justin 0:05:06.201 --> 0:05:09.721 you know, my grandfather was a single dad, single parent 0:05:10.281 --> 0:05:13.401 through from when my mom was you know, seven all 0:05:13.561 --> 0:05:15.801 the way onwards, and my mom was a bit of 0:05:15.801 --> 0:05:19.161 a bit of a rebel, you know, trying to wrangle 0:05:19.241 --> 0:05:23.401 her and all of that. I think they got really close. 0:05:23.761 --> 0:05:27.241 My grandfather and my mom would even you know, states apart, 0:05:27.601 --> 0:05:30.161 would talk to each other every single week and and 0:05:30.201 --> 0:05:30.841 that sort of thing. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.440 What did your papa do for a living? 0:05:34.081 --> 0:05:37.281 Growing up? He also, like all the other brothers, worked 0:05:37.361 --> 0:05:42.841 in the butchery, which was actually on where the main 0:05:43.361 --> 0:05:47.080 airfield is now in Adelaide. It doesn't exist anymore, but 0:05:47.121 --> 0:05:49.161 there was a butchery there and they would they'd all 0:05:49.201 --> 0:05:53.200 work in there. But then he got into the government 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.721 and he worked for the Department of Land. Okay, years 0:05:55.761 --> 0:05:57.161 and years and years it. 0:05:57.081 --> 0:05:59.281 Was said that he was he was wealthy. What did 0:05:59.320 --> 0:05:59.841 that look like? 0:06:00.281 --> 0:06:03.681 He was wealthy? Do you know? It's funny because of 0:06:03.721 --> 0:06:06.281 the type of guy he is. You know, he got 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.440 around in a kia and then he might upgrade to 0:06:09.521 --> 0:06:14.121 like as Azuki Billino, and you know, he certainly was 0:06:14.161 --> 0:06:17.880 not flashy. Lived in a very modest house all the 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.721 way in Craigmoar in South Australia, where he could have 0:06:21.761 --> 0:06:24.681 lived in the penthouse in Adelaide, but that's just that 0:06:24.801 --> 0:06:27.481 wasn't his jam. That's not what he wanted to do. 0:06:27.601 --> 0:06:31.721 So we didn't know at the time, well I didn't. 0:06:32.081 --> 0:06:34.200 My mother might have, but I have a feeling she 0:06:34.241 --> 0:06:39.081 did not how wealthy actually was We knew he did 0:06:39.081 --> 0:06:41.681 all right, and he was very clever with money, and 0:06:41.841 --> 0:06:44.760 we knew that he made sure he instilled the value 0:06:44.801 --> 0:06:47.121 of a dollar and what that dollar can do to 0:06:47.201 --> 0:06:50.761 all of us. But no, we didn't realize how wealthy 0:06:50.761 --> 0:06:51.201 he was. 0:06:51.561 --> 0:06:54.080 You said that you could call your granddad for anything. 0:06:54.201 --> 0:06:56.681 But if Brittany had have called your granddad to ask 0:06:56.921 --> 0:06:59.481 for a loan, she might have got a talking too. 0:06:59.561 --> 0:07:02.121 But I'm guessing he's the sort of man that would 0:07:02.161 --> 0:07:05.041 have given her that line ndred percent. 0:07:05.041 --> 0:07:07.481 And I, you know, take it back to my own experience. 0:07:07.681 --> 0:07:11.121 You know, I did the wrong thing. And you know, 0:07:11.281 --> 0:07:15.201 I was struggling a little bit earning money and whatnot. 0:07:15.241 --> 0:07:17.441 I wasn't making enough to live the lifestyle I wanted 0:07:17.481 --> 0:07:21.881 to live, essentially, and I was using toll roads and 0:07:21.921 --> 0:07:24.921 not paying for them, and it all caught up with me. 0:07:25.161 --> 0:07:27.481 And I think it was about five thousand dollars worth 0:07:27.481 --> 0:07:31.561 of tolls. Yeah, but I called him and I said, 0:07:31.761 --> 0:07:35.201 I've done this, and you know, yeah, he gave me 0:07:35.241 --> 0:07:39.961 a lecture for sure, But ten thousand dollars turned up 0:07:39.961 --> 0:07:42.721 in my bank account, you know, And is that a 0:07:42.721 --> 0:07:45.841 gift or is that a payback or you know, he 0:07:46.561 --> 0:07:48.681 is very much like, you need to pay this back, 0:07:48.841 --> 0:07:52.041 you know, set up a plan put ten dollars a 0:07:52.041 --> 0:07:54.321 week in my bank account. But as long as you 0:07:54.361 --> 0:07:58.081 start doing that in about three months, he goes just 0:07:58.201 --> 0:07:59.721 forget it, don't worry about it. 0:07:59.761 --> 0:08:02.041 He wants to see that you made the commitment, yes, 0:08:02.121 --> 0:08:06.361 and that you're willing to pay off your debt. The responsibility, yeah, absolutely, 0:08:06.481 --> 0:08:09.681 which sort of brings me back to you what you 0:08:09.721 --> 0:08:12.041 did with your own sister. You know, it was actually 0:08:12.041 --> 0:08:15.321 about the responsibility of this is our life works. 0:08:15.441 --> 0:08:18.841 Yeah, absolutely, And you know, even growing up with mom 0:08:18.841 --> 0:08:23.121 and dad again, that responsibility from my grandfather really came through. 0:08:23.201 --> 0:08:25.961 We had chores that we had to do every single Saturday, 0:08:26.161 --> 0:08:29.881 and my parents gave us an allowance, and if we 0:08:29.921 --> 0:08:34.121 didn't do the chores correctly, the allowance got deducted, and 0:08:34.361 --> 0:08:37.001 if we didn't do a great job, five dollars would 0:08:37.001 --> 0:08:40.121 come out, ten dollars would come out, and then when 0:08:40.161 --> 0:08:43.001 we got our allowance, we had the taxman, and the 0:08:43.041 --> 0:08:47.401 taxman would take his share. We always knew the value 0:08:48.241 --> 0:08:50.241 of a dollar and how to get it, how to 0:08:50.281 --> 0:08:50.841 work for it. 0:08:51.601 --> 0:08:55.121 I guess it's now been revealed that your granddad probably 0:08:55.121 --> 0:08:57.761 didn't really believe in banking his money. 0:09:00.121 --> 0:09:02.881 I think that really comes from you know, there's certainly 0:09:02.881 --> 0:09:04.881 a lot of money still in the bank and in 0:09:05.161 --> 0:09:09.681 shares and bonds and stocks, but I think it was 0:09:09.721 --> 0:09:14.281 more around. You know, he paid his taxes his whole life, 0:09:14.361 --> 0:09:18.561 and his wife was actually a nurse in World War Two, 0:09:19.321 --> 0:09:22.121 so there was pensions and that sort of thing, and 0:09:22.161 --> 0:09:24.841 obviously if you have too much money, you don't get it. 0:09:27.281 --> 0:09:29.401 And you know, he really thought that was quite unfair 0:09:29.721 --> 0:09:34.081 after paying one hundreds and thousands of dollars attacks throughout 0:09:34.081 --> 0:09:37.401 the years, so you know, to keep that account a 0:09:37.441 --> 0:09:41.281 little bit lower so that they qualify. He would, yeah, 0:09:41.321 --> 0:09:44.241 he would keep his money out of the bank. 0:09:44.201 --> 0:09:45.481 And where would he stash it? 0:09:45.681 --> 0:09:46.521 All over the house? 0:09:47.481 --> 0:09:47.681 You know. 0:09:48.201 --> 0:09:49.961 It was funny. I remember this time I was there 0:09:49.961 --> 0:09:52.201 for Christmas again, one of those trips that I did 0:09:52.201 --> 0:09:56.361 on school holidays. My nana was going to get money 0:09:56.361 --> 0:10:02.361 because we were going out somewhere and my grandfather was like, ah, Joyce, 0:10:02.521 --> 0:10:06.001 don't just pull out it in and all the money like, 0:10:06.121 --> 0:10:08.201 and I think at that time, I just remember seeing 0:10:08.361 --> 0:10:11.081 all the greens. I just went well, and it was 0:10:11.121 --> 0:10:13.241 probably only a thousand or two thousand dollars in a 0:10:13.321 --> 0:10:17.161 tin in the back of the laundry. You know, as 0:10:17.761 --> 0:10:21.441 we got older, there was obviously trust and so we 0:10:21.521 --> 0:10:25.401 started finding like my grandfather would say, year or you know, 0:10:25.401 --> 0:10:27.761 if anything was to happen to me, there's some here, 0:10:27.801 --> 0:10:29.281 And so we knew there was some in the shap 0:10:29.481 --> 0:10:29.801 there was. 0:10:29.801 --> 0:10:32.721 It wasn't a secret to the family, obviously trusts the 0:10:32.721 --> 0:10:35.761 family that he had money stashed everywhere. 0:10:35.921 --> 0:10:37.281 I think the immediate family. 0:10:37.401 --> 0:10:41.881 Yeah, absolutely, So who immediate family were talking your mum, mum, 0:10:41.961 --> 0:10:45.881 myself and my sister. Did you ever talk about your 0:10:45.881 --> 0:10:47.561 granddad's stash with your sister? 0:10:48.201 --> 0:10:52.521 No, not really. It was never relevant, you know, like, no, 0:10:52.761 --> 0:10:53.881 it never really came up. 0:10:56.441 --> 0:10:59.521 How much money are we talking that you at the time, 0:10:59.761 --> 0:11:02.041 not now, but believe was maybe in the shed? 0:11:02.561 --> 0:11:09.041 Well then I thought probably ten twenty thousand dollars probably, 0:11:09.161 --> 0:11:11.921 I was, you know, why would you have any more 0:11:12.321 --> 0:11:16.921 stash in the shed? But you know, since everything happened, it, yeah, 0:11:17.041 --> 0:11:19.201 turned out to be well over one hundred thousand dollars 0:11:19.521 --> 0:11:23.201 in the shed, and there was other money in there 0:11:23.241 --> 0:11:23.681 as well. 0:11:23.801 --> 0:11:25.961 This is a bit of a strange question, but I 0:11:26.001 --> 0:11:28.681 wanted to know from Ryan if his pop had died 0:11:28.721 --> 0:11:31.761 of natural causes, then would it be likely that his 0:11:31.881 --> 0:11:35.361 inheritance would be shared with the family, including of course 0:11:35.441 --> 0:11:38.841 his mom Tanya. And like when most of us inherent 0:11:38.881 --> 0:11:41.201 money from a loved one, there's a high chance that 0:11:41.281 --> 0:11:44.801 your own family might share that inheritance with you. So 0:11:44.841 --> 0:11:48.601 I pose the question, if Robert had died of natural causes, 0:11:49.001 --> 0:11:52.801 it's likely that Brittany might have benefited from his millions 0:11:52.841 --> 0:11:53.641 in inheritance. 0:11:53.801 --> 0:11:57.761 Yeah, I think, And again with that lineage thing, and 0:11:57.801 --> 0:11:59.881 my mother still says it even to this day. You know, 0:12:01.161 --> 0:12:05.201 it's really about what you do in your life, was 0:12:05.201 --> 0:12:08.801 about setting up for your children as well. So absolutely 0:12:09.161 --> 0:12:12.121 the point of it was always to give something to 0:12:12.161 --> 0:12:15.001 the next generation, and so that would obviously flow down 0:12:15.081 --> 0:12:18.641 from my mum as well. And yeah, there were gifts. 0:12:19.001 --> 0:12:22.241 I was able to buy my grandfather's house because my 0:12:22.401 --> 0:12:27.921 mother gifted me the deposit. You still learn his house 0:12:27.961 --> 0:12:32.121 now I do, Yeah, So being able to to essentially 0:12:32.201 --> 0:12:35.161 that's inheritance. You know that money came from my grandfather. 0:12:35.801 --> 0:12:41.561 Brittany killed your granddad, she did, for one hundred thousand 0:12:41.601 --> 0:12:46.481 dollars thereabouts, and it's highly likely she probably would have 0:12:46.521 --> 0:12:48.081 got that if he died of his own. 0:12:48.481 --> 0:12:50.041 Yeah, eventually absolutely. 0:12:53.161 --> 0:12:56.561 Ryan's granddad wasn't flippant about having money stashed all over 0:12:56.641 --> 0:12:59.841 his house, although it was in lots of nooks and crannies. 0:13:00.001 --> 0:13:03.841 Ryan's popper knew exactly how much was stashed and where 0:13:03.881 --> 0:13:04.281 it was. 0:13:05.121 --> 0:13:08.041 Her book next to the money, and he would talk 0:13:08.041 --> 0:13:10.601 about the moment money went in, money went out, who 0:13:10.721 --> 0:13:12.241 went to, wyatt went out. 0:13:12.561 --> 0:13:16.321 So it wasn't willing neary. He one percent knew where 0:13:16.361 --> 0:13:18.441 his money was and what it was there. 0:13:18.801 --> 0:13:21.841 And that goes for anything. Medication. He would keep the 0:13:22.081 --> 0:13:26.281 leftover medication containers so that he knew or somebody else 0:13:26.321 --> 0:13:29.201 knew exactly where he was up to with his medication. 0:13:29.401 --> 0:13:32.121 He was very particulous. 0:13:32.481 --> 0:13:35.881 I've seen pictures of Ryan's granddad's house. It's a single story, 0:13:35.921 --> 0:13:40.041 bricantile house with Federation green gutters. He had some very 0:13:40.081 --> 0:13:43.001 manicured hedges out front. The sort of house that you 0:13:43.001 --> 0:13:45.721 could walk past and not really admire a house, but 0:13:45.761 --> 0:13:48.481 you can see that someone that lived there took great 0:13:48.641 --> 0:13:52.921 pride in the garden. Robert looked like he was security conscious. 0:13:53.121 --> 0:13:55.441 He didn't have cameras or anything like that, but he 0:13:55.481 --> 0:13:58.921 did have security lights, a security screen on the front door, 0:13:59.241 --> 0:14:02.241 and security roller shutters on all the windows. 0:14:02.401 --> 0:14:06.041 I mean, the garden was always immaculate. It's immaculate. It 0:14:06.161 --> 0:14:11.481 was one of those houses that again modest, but very charming. 0:14:12.121 --> 0:14:14.601 You know, it had great street appeal. You drive up. 0:14:14.681 --> 0:14:18.961 The lawn was always manicured. You had those big hedge 0:14:18.961 --> 0:14:22.561 and it made it look beautiful. Roses he loved. Never 0:14:22.601 --> 0:14:25.841 a weed in sight. So it was always very manicured, 0:14:26.641 --> 0:14:30.801 very security conscious. So you know, there was roller shutters 0:14:30.841 --> 0:14:34.721 on the outside, but you could always tell when he 0:14:34.841 --> 0:14:36.521 was awake and when he was home or what if 0:14:36.521 --> 0:14:38.521 the case might be, because they would have always been 0:14:38.721 --> 0:14:39.321 up down. 0:14:39.841 --> 0:14:42.201 So there the roller shutters, the automatic ones you push 0:14:42.241 --> 0:14:44.881 a button and yeah, it's for light, but it's also 0:14:44.921 --> 0:14:47.681 for security. Yeah, so you can totally black out the 0:14:47.721 --> 0:14:48.441 house if you want. 0:14:48.681 --> 0:14:51.641 And they were on every window, every door. As you 0:14:51.681 --> 0:14:55.321 walk up the driveway onto the path, there's like a 0:14:55.361 --> 0:15:00.521 patio area at the front which is tiled. You go 0:15:00.641 --> 0:15:03.161 through the front door and immediately as you come up 0:15:03.201 --> 0:15:06.601 to this big brown door walk in. You have his 0:15:06.721 --> 0:15:09.081 bedroom on the right, which is the front of the house, 0:15:09.601 --> 0:15:12.361 and you have the formal lounge which you were never 0:15:12.401 --> 0:15:15.361 really allowed to go in on the left hand side. 0:15:15.641 --> 0:15:20.841 Beautiful pink carpet, those old school green drapes, you know, 0:15:20.881 --> 0:15:24.401 those really heavy with the doily looking sheet behind it. 0:15:24.881 --> 0:15:26.801 But yeah, as you would walk in, there was quite 0:15:26.801 --> 0:15:29.441 a long corridor you'd walk through, and you had the 0:15:29.481 --> 0:15:33.641 dining room. There was quite a large kitchen, another living area, 0:15:34.241 --> 0:15:36.081 and then down another hallway and you had two other 0:15:36.281 --> 0:15:37.361 bedrooms in a bathroom. 0:15:37.521 --> 0:15:39.801 Have you renovated since your granddad passed? 0:15:40.161 --> 0:15:43.521 There is parts that I have renovated. Yes, there's parts 0:15:43.561 --> 0:15:45.961 that I sort of can't, you know, because I knew 0:15:46.001 --> 0:15:48.521 how much you know, it meant to hit him. Should 0:15:48.521 --> 0:15:52.681 I actually pay for a gardener to go there all 0:15:52.681 --> 0:15:56.641 the time, just to keep the lawns and the gardens 0:15:56.681 --> 0:16:03.801 intact so that they sort of preserve a memory? 0:16:04.601 --> 0:16:06.681 What are you remember about the smells in that house? 0:16:07.481 --> 0:16:12.201 Comfort? But yes, it smelled, you know, like your grandparents home. 0:16:12.361 --> 0:16:13.761 Yeah, you know, I think they're all. 0:16:13.601 --> 0:16:16.801 Obsessed with those mothball things to keep the moths away. 0:16:16.881 --> 0:16:19.881 But yeah, it was warm. 0:16:20.241 --> 0:16:23.641 Yeah, there's something warm and comforting about being in your grandparents' house. 0:16:23.681 --> 0:16:26.921 There is, absolutely I still have memories of mine. 0:16:27.041 --> 0:16:31.921 You know, the house was always very tidy, very organized, 0:16:32.081 --> 0:16:37.641 but heavily cluttered, you know, if that makes sense. He 0:16:37.761 --> 0:16:43.921 was very into photography, and he thought he was very 0:16:44.001 --> 0:16:46.961 up with technology, like he would love this setup today. 0:16:47.961 --> 0:16:48.161 You know. 0:16:48.201 --> 0:16:52.641 He had one of those massive TVs that had, you know, 0:16:52.721 --> 0:16:56.561 the DVD player, the VCR player, and he can move 0:16:56.641 --> 0:16:59.681 things from a tape to a DVD and he just 0:16:59.721 --> 0:17:03.321 thought that was so cool. You know. He wouldn't dare 0:17:03.361 --> 0:17:05.840 get the internet, but he had a laptop. You know, 0:17:05.921 --> 0:17:08.921 we'd move all of his photos that he physically took, 0:17:09.321 --> 0:17:12.680 scan them to digitalize them. 0:17:13.241 --> 0:17:16.080 Brittany had two friends that are connected with this story 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.400 of her granddad. One of those so called friends is 0:17:19.441 --> 0:17:23.281 a woman called Bernadette Burns. We'll go into details about 0:17:23.321 --> 0:17:26.440 the role she played in the murder of Ryan's granddad. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.080 The other is Shelby Holmes. Now, Shelby didn't play a 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.680 role in Robert's death, but she was charged and convicted 0:17:33.921 --> 0:17:38.561 and pleaded guilty to serious aggravated criminal trespass and was 0:17:38.561 --> 0:17:42.880 handed a seventeen month suspended sentence. He's a snippet from 0:17:42.921 --> 0:17:44.081 the paper on the day. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.080 Shelby pleaded guilty to aggravated serious criminal trespass and was 0:17:50.120 --> 0:17:54.801 today handed a seventeen month suspended sentence. Just as Kevin 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.041 Nicholson said he found good reason to suspend the sentence 0:17:58.481 --> 0:18:01.440 on a three year, one thousand dollars good behavior bond. 0:18:02.481 --> 0:18:05.520 The court heard Homes said she committed the offense out 0:18:05.681 --> 0:18:09.281 of friendship and on the basis we did everything together. 0:18:10.241 --> 0:18:13.121 She told the court that Brittany had been a strong 0:18:13.201 --> 0:18:17.001 and demanding influence. Her lawyer told the court that Holmes 0:18:17.041 --> 0:18:21.440 regarded Dwyer as her only friend. His client intended to 0:18:21.481 --> 0:18:25.041 steal thousands of dollars from mister Whitwell, but believed no 0:18:25.120 --> 0:18:27.960 one would notice because of the large amount of cash 0:18:28.001 --> 0:18:28.920 that was in the shed. 0:18:29.201 --> 0:18:31.840 My client did a monumentally stupid thing, but what happened 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.321 some months later was nothing to do with my client 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:35.640 or this offending. 0:18:35.921 --> 0:18:40.521 The maximum penalty for aggravated serious criminal trespass is life imprisonment. 0:18:40.721 --> 0:18:43.680 So in April of twenty sixteen, Shelby and your sister 0:18:43.681 --> 0:18:46.961 are living together at Shelby's parents house. They pack a 0:18:47.001 --> 0:18:49.920 bag together. Do you know what was in that bag? 0:18:50.721 --> 0:18:59.400 Yeah? Bolt cutters and tape and a knife. Yeah. 0:18:59.961 --> 0:19:02.001 Reading from the police report, there were bolt cutters and 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:08.840 knife gloves, a hammer in snips and cable tires. Seems 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:16.200 fairly clear what they were going to do. Do you 0:19:16.281 --> 0:19:18.001 know if they had their mobile phones with them when 0:19:18.041 --> 0:19:22.281 they where they did so on the thirtieth of April 0:19:22.321 --> 0:19:27.360 twenty sixteen, they leave Brisbane and they drove to Adelaide 0:19:28.201 --> 0:19:31.801 just before Mother's Day. What do you know about what 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.041 happened next? 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:39.201 I know that. So they obviously went down and they 0:19:39.201 --> 0:19:42.840 were obviously going to try and take the money from 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:50.761 the ship. Brittany knew her way around into the backyard. Essentially, 0:19:51.360 --> 0:19:53.400 he lived in a bit of a coulder sack and 0:19:53.441 --> 0:19:56.360 then there was like this alley way leading into the 0:19:56.360 --> 0:19:59.080 next street, and so you could actually park your car 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:03.400 in that backstreet and just sort of walk through. And 0:20:03.441 --> 0:20:04.241 that's what they did. 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.321 And they were chasing the house for a day or two. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.881 Yeah, to the lead up. This is in April. They 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.680 were looking at the house trying to figure out what 0:20:13.801 --> 0:20:18.001 was going on. A car kept driving past, and actually 0:20:18.120 --> 0:20:21.041 my grandfather brought it up with my mum. So this 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.001 car keeps like driving up a street. It seems a 0:20:24.001 --> 0:20:26.561 little weird, and he was very security coptures. 0:20:26.801 --> 0:20:28.721 Did he have cameras or anything, not. 0:20:28.721 --> 0:20:35.521 Cameras, but the security shutters quite a large fence. The 0:20:35.561 --> 0:20:39.281 garage door was always shut. He would never leave it open. 0:20:39.481 --> 0:20:42.600 What they actually did was they brought a milk create 0:20:42.721 --> 0:20:46.240 with them and pushed it up against the fence, jumped 0:20:46.321 --> 0:20:51.000 over the fence, and because the garage was sort of 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.321 open at the back, but it was all close up 0:20:53.360 --> 0:20:55.521 at the front. Once you're in the backyard, you could 0:20:55.521 --> 0:20:58.241 just walk straight to the garage and it was automatic 0:20:58.281 --> 0:21:00.840 and you could just push a button and it elevate it. 0:21:01.001 --> 0:21:02.241 And that's how Shelby. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.521 Got in Granddad's home at the stage. Yeah, yeah, what 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.840 time is this? I think this was early evening. Okay, yeah, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.801 that they actually decided to do it. Do you think 0:21:10.801 --> 0:21:13.520 he would have heard that garage door opening. 0:21:15.120 --> 0:21:19.361 Possibly, I mean he didn't have the best hearing towards 0:21:19.360 --> 0:21:21.080 the end, but he definitely would have been in that 0:21:21.120 --> 0:21:25.481 lounge room, which is pretty close by. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.600 So your sisters jump the fence using a milk crate. 0:21:29.041 --> 0:21:32.801 She's opened the garage door for Shelby to crawl under. Yep. 0:21:33.441 --> 0:21:36.961 They're both then inside the property. Yeah, from what we understand, 0:21:37.801 --> 0:21:42.041 they're planning on going to the shed yep, and trying 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.321 to find that one hundred grand that your grandad's got 0:21:44.481 --> 0:21:48.840 meticulously stored yep, in the shed. They don't get that 0:21:48.921 --> 0:21:50.761 farther do that, They don't know. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.881 I think they get to the shed and there was 0:21:55.801 --> 0:22:00.721 a dog the next house that started barking, and then 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.360 there was security lights that had turned on, and that 0:22:04.441 --> 0:22:07.041 sort of spook them a bit, and I think he 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.201 started to make his way out to check it out. 0:22:10.281 --> 0:22:15.280 He just sees them slip underneath the garage door. It 0:22:15.321 --> 0:22:18.281 was only open a fraction and yeah, by the time 0:22:18.321 --> 0:22:20.921 he sort of got over there, they were gone. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.201 I'm guessing he didn't recognize your sister, not at all. No, 0:22:24.481 --> 0:22:29.241