WEBVTT - #1938 Coffee Concrete - Patrick Bonello

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<v Speaker 1>a team. It's you project, It's Tiffany and Cook, It's Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>James Banelo, Craig, Anthony Harper. Once in a while we

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<v Speaker 1>get together and talk about nothing in particular. We're really

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<v Speaker 1>good at it, well, we think, so we'll start with

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<v Speaker 1>the lady, because that's been polite morning. Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>He's already fired a broadside, nice one. He cuts off

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<v Speaker 2>our lovely conversation, Tip, and then he fires a broadside

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<v Speaker 2>at me. Hi, Craigo, how are you well?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't mind at all, And we all know that

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<v Speaker 1>Tips a little bit more bloky than you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've established that you know that she knows that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's all okay. In twenty twenty five, everything's okay. How

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<v Speaker 1>have you been?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, look, I've been okay. It's been an interesting week.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had some fun jobs to do, but I actually

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<v Speaker 2>had a stye on my eye that got infected. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really yep. So I've been battling an itchy You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing worse than an itchy eye that you can't scratch,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you reckon?

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably a couple of things worse, like cancer, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know that that's the worst thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Qu feel for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you, tiff this.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it when people say there's nothing worse. I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not true, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're right, I shouldn't Yeah, you're be literal and

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<v Speaker 2>I yep, thank you for clapifying that. Again, could get

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<v Speaker 2>the facts right on the segment.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do have my empathy, it is. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what shit when you've got a really itchy I and

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<v Speaker 1>of course you can't fucking scratch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually they're talking about what shit is? This is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the jobs we had this week, Monday

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<v Speaker 2>was the nicest day. It was very fortunate because we

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<v Speaker 2>went and did some filming for a client that is

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<v Speaker 2>called h SP Advanced Equine. So there's two arms to

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<v Speaker 2>the business. One's a charity where they basically rescue horses

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<v Speaker 2>and goats and camels and a whole lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've got this new horse float that lowers itself

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<v Speaker 2>to the ground, making it easier for the horses to

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<v Speaker 2>get on and off and to get in and out,

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing, which is actually a very

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<v Speaker 2>big thing if you've got an injured horse. And so

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted us to film it, so I had my drone.

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<v Speaker 2>I love when I get to go fly my drone

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<v Speaker 2>and get paid for it. But the funniest thing was

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<v Speaker 2>we get it already. I've got my drone in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>They bring the horse out and the horses shat everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>so the poor people are out with the shovels, try

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<v Speaker 2>to clean up. Then they get it all ready again

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<v Speaker 2>are shit again. So we were constantly trying to fill

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<v Speaker 2>this thing with this poor horse. So it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of funny. And of course, because I was flying the drone,

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<v Speaker 2>I was quite far away from him all the action,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the camera guy, my colleague, was pretty close to

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<v Speaker 2>it all. So that was kind of funny. And the

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<v Speaker 2>last time we went filming on location, he backed into

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<v Speaker 2>an electric fence for camels. It did stig somewhat Luckily

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<v Speaker 2>he's a big, solid guy, and he did let loose

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<v Speaker 2>a few expletives in front of the client and the

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<v Speaker 2>client's sister and the client's husband, but they were all

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<v Speaker 2>laughing so hard it didn't seem to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no tech guru, but if we're loading a horse

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<v Speaker 1>into a float, why do we need drone footage?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? We just wanted to get some interesting angles so

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<v Speaker 2>he can do cutaway shots. It's just that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing like circling around, coming in low over the

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<v Speaker 2>top because it gives a perspective. So my colleague was

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<v Speaker 2>down quite low watching it lower down, and then as

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<v Speaker 2>you bring the horse in, it just makes the vision

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<v Speaker 2>more exciting when you see it from an aerial perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the way that you sell it to the client,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you want to use your drone?

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<v Speaker 2>Partially? No, she requested it because we'd previously done some

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<v Speaker 2>footage for them, and she.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she did request, of course, of course, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>that was what she led with, Please use your drone? Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Donna, if I have.

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<v Speaker 2>To, I can flare the drone in your studio and

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<v Speaker 2>have an aerial shot of you.

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<v Speaker 1>TIF How are you this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Fabulous?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Craigs. Anthony Harper.

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<v Speaker 1>How's your blood sugar? Because Patrick and I have been

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<v Speaker 1>worried about it. You got yourself a new toy. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners what you've jabbed into your body.

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<v Speaker 3>Jammed a continuous glucose monitor into my arm. It is

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<v Speaker 3>so much fun. My theory. My theory was this, I

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<v Speaker 3>will stop eating those big cookies from that cookie shop

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<v Speaker 3>up the road that I eat when I don't need to.

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<v Speaker 3>When I have the visual data that says, hey, look

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<v Speaker 3>what that does to you, It'll just give me a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more reason to be like.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't have that cookie.

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<v Speaker 3>I put it on last night and then turned into

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<v Speaker 3>this game where I was like, I wonder what I

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<v Speaker 3>can eat to get my blood sugar up, but a

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<v Speaker 3>very low blood sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got very low blood sugar. That sounds borderline obsessive

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<v Speaker 2>to me a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I am, yep, yeah, I'm with you. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>especially with her. She does get a little bit infatuated

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<v Speaker 1>with data and numbers and especially shit about her body.

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<v Speaker 2>And I very.

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<v Speaker 1>Rarely say this, but maybe you and cookies are okay

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<v Speaker 1>for the time being.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it seems so, but you know, here's some data

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<v Speaker 3>for you. I put this on a four o'clock yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>or three point thirty, and it was ready by four

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<v Speaker 3>point thirty to give me data. It's given me one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty seven scan views per so far. I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder if that's how many times I've opened the app.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely it's not. Maybe that wouldn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, could you explain to our listeners who are

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<v Speaker 1>going as Some get it, but some are like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand what that means or why you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is the point? I mean? This is nice

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<v Speaker 1>because it's an intersection of technology, like you're literally putting

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<v Speaker 1>something into your body and getting all this data printed

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<v Speaker 1>out and the real world, which is your life. So

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<v Speaker 1>explain to our listeners why anyone would do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Which shows our relationship with I think processing of carbohydrates,

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<v Speaker 3>processing of the food that we eat. So when does

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<v Speaker 3>it spike our blood sugar and drop our blood sugar?

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<v Speaker 3>And that can relate to how consistent our energy is

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<v Speaker 3>or what you know, how good our diet is. I

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<v Speaker 3>found overnight that I so I sit quite low, and

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<v Speaker 3>then overnight I dipped into the red zone of very low,

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<v Speaker 3>which could be potentially under fueling, or it could be

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<v Speaker 3>not eating enough carbs overall. So for me, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 3>to go, Okay, well, I think this is how I

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<v Speaker 3>think I eat, and this is how I think I fuel,

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<v Speaker 3>But what is my body telling me, especially with the

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<v Speaker 3>hormonal and energy and fatigue and recovery stuff that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been going through lately.

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<v Speaker 2>Tis Can we take a reading now and then do

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<v Speaker 2>a reading at the end of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right now. I've just went down that I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just driving home and I sent Harps a screenshot.

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<v Speaker 3>I was down to three point four or something. I

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<v Speaker 3>dipped low again and I'd eaten breaky this morning, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I came home. I had a teaspoon of honey

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<v Speaker 3>just to fucking pump it up see what I could do,

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<v Speaker 3>and then my protein hot chocolate and it's currently sitting

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<v Speaker 3>at five point six. Stay tuned, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, OK, I've written it down.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely going to drop over the next fifty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Go on, Patrick, I can I just say, just to

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<v Speaker 2>make you feel a little bit better about being obsessive

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe not obsessive, depending on how you compare it.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years ago I decided to try out the

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<v Speaker 2>keto diet, so ketosis, So basically it's where you substitute

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<v Speaker 2>your carbohydrates for protein and fat, and that becomes your

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<v Speaker 2>body's fuel source. So when your body goes into a crisis, effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>when you don't have enough carbohydrates, it starts to digest

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<v Speaker 2>fats and proteins, and that's ketosis, is the way I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. So the obsession that I got to was

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<v Speaker 2>I bought a very large box of keto sticks and

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<v Speaker 2>I proceeded then to pee on them every half hour.

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<v Speaker 3>Sound how did you have that much pea?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had to keep drinking. So yes, I was

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<v Speaker 2>borderline obsessive because I wanted to see how much fat

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<v Speaker 2>I was urinating out my fuel intake compared to what

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<v Speaker 2>was coming out of me. So yeah, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>probably fall in the same spectrum of ossiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a visual of you weeing on the

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<v Speaker 1>sticks and getting it on your hand, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't need.

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<v Speaker 2>That at this I did say I was trading at

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<v Speaker 2>Harpers at the time and probably doing weights with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, I hope we didn't touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, just when we did weights together, Craig, you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just oh, we did that as well. TIF. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just remind people that, so people who are pre diabetic

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<v Speaker 1>or diabetic, so their blood sugar typically is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be higher because their pancreas doesn't work as well or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps at all, which is why pancres releases insulin, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why some people need to inject insulin to get

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<v Speaker 1>it down. So what's a kind of a regular normal

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<v Speaker 1>like a healthy person reading in the morning, And what's

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<v Speaker 1>the like, what's the zone that's okay? And then the

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<v Speaker 1>zone that we should worry.

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<v Speaker 3>So the zone on listograph here, it's got a little

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<v Speaker 3>green bar and it sits between four and ten. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think between four and ten is where you want

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<v Speaker 3>to be bouncing around right, five point six five point six,

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<v Speaker 3>five points five point three.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, well, by the way, everyone, none of this is

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<v Speaker 1>medical advice. I feel like ten might be getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little high. That's just my recollection. But I'm interested to

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<v Speaker 1>see what tip is in forty minutes from now. My

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<v Speaker 1>client done you sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>My client is type one diabetic and she wears these

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<v Speaker 3>and she's a screenshot of mind to her yesterday and

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<v Speaker 3>she's screenshot back and she has a lot of hypos overnight,

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<v Speaker 3>so she just to hop up. She her alarm wakes

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<v Speaker 3>her up and she got to smash jelly beans.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how awesome is that. Oh, we gotta have

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<v Speaker 2>a jelly brain for your health, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That you'd want it at three am.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, No, I mean it'd be for diabetics, it'd bit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a big thing and it's so important.

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<v Speaker 1>How many night ways do you have, Tiff.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I get up it early in the morning and have

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<v Speaker 3>ways unless I'm not. If I'm not sleeping, I'll have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. If I have one of those insomniac nights

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm just wide awake, then I'll go quite frequently.

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<v Speaker 3>But normally I'll stay stay select till about five five,

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<v Speaker 3>have my best morning wi Patrick zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd never get up to go to the toilet,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do. I wake up early and then go

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<v Speaker 2>back to sleep again, so I'm usually up about two

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three thirty, but i never feel I need to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also due partly because I tend to not drink

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<v Speaker 2>after about six o'clock, and that way it curtails any

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<v Speaker 2>need to then have to get up to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet. Because I actually my bathroom's downstairs as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so have to. And the statistics say that the most

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<v Speaker 2>critical time for falls is in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get up out of bed to go for

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<v Speaker 2>a week.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got your age. Yes, indeed, I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to do a biological age test on you. I reckon

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<v Speaker 1>you would be thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's lovely, but no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be. I mean like, you've never really, you've never

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<v Speaker 1>smashed your body. You've never been out of shape per se,

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<v Speaker 1>You've never been a drinker or a drug taker. You're

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<v Speaker 1>generally happy, like I reckon, And you've got good genetics,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're always moving your body and you do your

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your origami or whatever it's called, your body

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<v Speaker 1>holding the same thing, same thing. I'm kidding everyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>know the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting adding my Schnauzer as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you sound like Dame Everett. We like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is one of the funniest jokes of alter. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>We're spoken about it. It's the best look up Damen

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<v Speaker 2>and Schnauzer. It's I still laugh every time I see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, he is he was so good, A bit

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<v Speaker 1>like polarizing. Yeah, I can remember one of my American

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<v Speaker 1>friends watched that had no idea what was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, very Australian humor. But anyway, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about tech.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we're talking about coffee. First off. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>just add a little, quick, little interesting story about research

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<v Speaker 2>being done here in Australia about coffee grounds, because frighteningly

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<v Speaker 2>he wait for this, there's an amazing amount of coffee

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<v Speaker 2>that's produced every year in the grounds. From that is

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<v Speaker 2>about ten billion kilograms okay, ten billion kilograms of coffee

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<v Speaker 2>is wasted globally, and now research being done here in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia at r MIT is looking at ways to heat

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee to a really the left over grounds, heat

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<v Speaker 2>it to a really high temperature without moisture, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it can be used to reinforce concrete and it could

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<v Speaker 2>actually be make concrete even stronger and tastes better when

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<v Speaker 2>you lick it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, boom, boom, Yeah, you're an idiot. You

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<v Speaker 1>were just waiting for that last set.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yeah. Maybe or sugar on top before you lick it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, well that makes sense. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably by the time it's dehyd all the waters out

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<v Speaker 1>of it's probably not unlike sawdust or wood or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be heated to about three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty degrees celsiu, so it's pretty darn hot. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>called pyalizing, and that's what breaks down all the organic

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<v Speaker 2>molecules and it becomes this carbon rich charcoal like substance,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's called biochar. And then they use that and

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<v Speaker 2>they can combine it with concrete. But it makes concrete

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<v Speaker 2>even stronger as well as it actually is. It forms

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<v Speaker 2>a much more robust and strong the concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>Then your whole house smells like a cappuccino.

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<v Speaker 2>That wouldn't be too bad, though.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be it would I wonder what the I

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<v Speaker 1>mean when you say it's got to be what did

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<v Speaker 1>you say he treated three hundred and fifty Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what the cost of that is. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you do a cost benefit analysis and you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get all the stuff, You've got to get all the

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<v Speaker 1>coffee beans. Then you've got to put it through this process,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you've got to because to me, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like concrete is not a super expensive kind

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<v Speaker 1>of substance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But the problem is that we're using so many

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<v Speaker 2>other materials that could be replaced by the coffee. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, you've you've got to think about how

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<v Speaker 2>they're currently making coffee and this is one of coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>They're currently making concrete and they're using natural resources like sand,

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<v Speaker 2>and if this could replace the sand and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>waste product there and they could flip it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>then that could be beneficial as well. Because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sand that gets used in making concrete and

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying replace that with this ten billion kilograms of waste.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're not running out of sand anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Will you live by the beach?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen have you seen the deserts around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a fair bit of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know that that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>sales pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't RT don't ever used if you're marketing. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not doing the coffee ground at sales pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about why I should be terrified of my dishwasher.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, it sounds like I'm ringing the alarm bells,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is again some research. It's being done here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia on micro plastics and nanoplastics, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Queensland is running studies of they put a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of plastic stuff out of the kitchen into

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<v Speaker 2>a dishwasher and they found that basically annually about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three million plastic particles a year are coming out into

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<v Speaker 2>our sewage system via dishwashers, and so they're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pushing for more research into what it means with these

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<v Speaker 2>micro and nanoplastics. And every individual wash that is done

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<v Speaker 2>releases nine hundred and twenty thousand particles. So a full

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<v Speaker 2>load of plastics in a dishwasher is churning out nine

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty thousand particles of plastic. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>the concern because microplastics and nanoplastics are everywhere and we're

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<v Speaker 2>contributing to that by just running the dishwasher. I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's an alarm bell kind of statistic, but it does

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<v Speaker 2>sound pretty intense, doesn't it. That's when you're running at

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<v Speaker 2>about seventy degrees as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I get scared of plastic and heat. I feel like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, oh, I know, we're still allowed in invert

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<v Speaker 1>commas to use plastic in the microwave but I never

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<v Speaker 1>put plastic plastic in them. I'd just rather wash all

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<v Speaker 1>my plastic shit under the tap.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I threw away my plastic chopping boards this

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<v Speaker 2>week after reading this article, because when you cut into

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<v Speaker 2>a plastic cutting board, you can see the grooves and

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<v Speaker 2>so plastics are being released every time you slice something.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got wood I mean, I generally use wooden

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<v Speaker 2>cutting boards. It's only when I'm doing my dates for

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<v Speaker 2>my porridge that i use the smaller cutting boards.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your dates for your porridge.

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<v Speaker 2>I had gates to porridge and my cheer seeds and

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<v Speaker 2>my hemp seeds and all lots of stuff. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great porridge when you come and start make porridge for you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard enough about your dates over the years. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us about the Melbourne company that got busted for

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<v Speaker 1>dodgy AI fabricated citations or reviews or recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>No, these are citations being used in court. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne. Yeah, yeah, they were using citations in court documents.

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<v Speaker 2>And it ends up what happened was a junior solicitor,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was using a Google scholar search tool and

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<v Speaker 2>she said, oh, I'd used it at University, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was no problem when I used it at UNI, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she used it in a real case, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they've been ordered by the federal court to personally pay

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<v Speaker 2>costs for submitting it was a Native Title summary document

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in all these citations that were wrong, either incorrect,

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<v Speaker 2>or didn't actually exist in the first place. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>big slap on the hand to this company, this legal

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<v Speaker 2>firm for using the court.

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<v Speaker 1>There's going to have to be more and more of that, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>I think with you know, the amount of content that

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<v Speaker 1>AI can produce in no minutes, like can you can

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<v Speaker 1>create a ten page document and in thirty seconds you

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<v Speaker 1>just got to print it out and that it probably

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<v Speaker 1>reads and looks legit, But then somebody has got to

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<v Speaker 1>do all of the work to actually find out that

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<v Speaker 1>it's bullshit it don't they.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, we do use a little bit of AI sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to use it in summaries if it's really

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of information and I get it to

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<v Speaker 2>summarize for my own use. But I still find that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to the human approach is still really important

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<v Speaker 2>to add the human element to that to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>be critical to look at whether or not that information

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<v Speaker 2>is concise, and you know, we wouldn't just I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>certainly just use it without checking it first. But it

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<v Speaker 2>can be fantastic and it can really assist in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things. I saw another article this week that

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<v Speaker 2>looks exciting and interesting in the use of AI art

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a group that it's a camera based not

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<v Speaker 2>for profit, and what they're doing is they're encouraging women

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<v Speaker 2>to try to use AI generating tools as a part

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<v Speaker 2>of a competition to talk about representation of women in

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<v Speaker 2>AI to kind of change the narrative. And I started

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<v Speaker 2>reading this and I thought, this kind of makes a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of sense because there is a built in bias

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<v Speaker 2>in AI, and so I did a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>investigating myself, and so I thought, what I'll do is

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<v Speaker 2>I'll jump into a few AI image generators and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just do a search on you know, show me a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of a young woman, show me a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>a middle aged woman, and an old woman, and the

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<v Speaker 2>same with show me a picture of a young man,

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<v Speaker 2>middle aged and old man. And all of them were

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<v Speaker 2>Anglo Saxon. So I was using the meta AI and

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<v Speaker 2>to a fault, they just depicted Anglo saxon white people.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I thought, okay, well what other biases might

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<v Speaker 2>there be? So I typed in Alexander the Great and

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<v Speaker 2>his young lover. Okay, and it depicted Alexander the Great

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<v Speaker 2>with the young woman. Now, when I ran the same

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<v Speaker 2>AI search using Gemini, that's the Google search it then

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. It was a text search, not an image search.

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<v Speaker 2>It gave me a very detailed bit of information about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it was thought that Alexander the Great

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<v Speaker 2>gay and was homosexual and had male lovers, which is

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<v Speaker 2>quite widely known. So it gave me citations and references

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<v Speaker 2>to historical information, you know, and a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>information that seemed to be quite factual. So then I

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<v Speaker 2>went back to the AI image generator, the Meta AI

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<v Speaker 2>image generator, and I changed the prompt from Alexander the

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<v Speaker 2>Great and his young lover to Alexander the Great and

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<v Speaker 2>his young male lover. And the response I got from

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<v Speaker 2>Meta was oops, I can't generate that image.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow?

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<v Speaker 1>So how did I mean? Me being serious? For once?

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<v Speaker 1>How does that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? On multiple levels, one, that bias is factually wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>because we know there's a lot of historical information about

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander the Great and about his you know. But also

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>society was very different at that time. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>very you know, woman society and the idea that a

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<v Speaker 2>male would have a male lover as opposed to a

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<v Speaker 2>wife to have children. It was very different. It was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's kind of different to what our standards

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<v Speaker 2>are today or what you know, society, societical societal societal

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>standard are today. But for me personally, when I look

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<v Speaker 2>at the search for Anglo Saxons, but specifically something that

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<v Speaker 2>is factually correct but refuses to depict Alexander the Great

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<v Speaker 2>with a male lover, it's kind of like, what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>So what are the other biases that are happening when

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<v Speaker 2>people are doing searches. That's what it led me to feel.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a bit shitty really when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But also it's if they're getting this wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>factually wrong, then what else is being factually wrong? When

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>it's churning out this information.

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<v Speaker 1>And even when you fed it the right information or

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<v Speaker 1>the right data, you went, well, actually here's some it

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<v Speaker 1>went ah, can't do it. I mean that's weird, that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's almost called the over tone to that is,

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>it's an inappropriate image. And that's I guess when you

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 2>ask the question, how did I feel there's an overtone

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of this AI saying that the depiction of two men

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>was inappropriate. And I did then subsequently use a different

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.800
<v Speaker 2>AI and it had no problem with generating the images

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 2>when I did the same prompts. So you just got

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>to know that, you know, use more than one AI.

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<v Speaker 2>See what the results are if you're not getting the

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>results you want or you think that they're wrong. But

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, we just saw that with a legal case

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, agents, if I've got to do something mildly important,

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>like I'll say, you know, I want to put in

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a document that might be just five pages, I'll put

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it into chat GPT four point zero or there's another

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.120
<v Speaker 1>one which is more logic. I think it's called zero

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>point three or something, which is part of the suite

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>of options in chat GPT, and I also use Claude.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.520
<v Speaker 1>And I just see the difference between the two, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite stark sometimes speaking of AI, I saw this

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the other day. But you tell us about the Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>study that looked comparing doctors with AI diagnosing complex health conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that this is really interesting because Microsoft is

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>coming out and claiming that AI systems perform better than

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>human doctors at doing complex health diagnoses, so they're touting

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>what they're calling a medical superintelligence. Now, I guess when

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>you think about it, if you go to a general

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>practitioner to diagnose something, then you're relying on that practitioner

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 2>having had years of experience, but they can't instantly recall

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>all the research papers, all the research study, all the information.

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 2>And so to me, it makes sense if you're using

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 2>this as a tool as a medical professional. And that

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>comes back to because they will be a asking the

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 2>right questions but also querying things they think may not

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>be right. I mean, obviously this is you know, Microsoft's

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 2>own AI unit that's coming out and making these claims.

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>But from a diagnostic perspective, if you can draw and

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 2>all that, I mean, if I have a boil on

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 2>my foot, there could potentially be millions of pictures of

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 2>different boils on feet, and they could do an instant

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 2>comparison and are both of you are turning your noses up.

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the first thing that came to mind,

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>but what I'm saying is if you have. Okay, here's

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 2>a good one. Skin cancer. This is a really important one.

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 2>If you think about a mole on your on your shoulder,

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'm always blown away. I go to my doctor

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>every twelve I've I've got a doctor who is a

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>dermatologist who specializes in that area, and I only ever

0:27:58.440 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 2>go to him once a year to get him to

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 2>have a look at my body. And he looks at

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>all the little spots and things and he can I

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>can look at two spots and they look exactly the

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 2>same and he says, no, no, no, that's this and

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>that's that. It's like really and so someone who's a

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 2>specialist in that area has lots and lots and lots

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>of experience. But if your GP doesn't, then they could

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 2>be using an AI tool that can compare so many

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 2>different images and then come up with a result. And

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>particularly in Australia, with what two out of three Australians

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>will get a form of skin cancer. That's a really

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 2>frightening statistic.

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think that a couple of things

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>struck me when I read that, and then hearing you,

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>then I think people get really defensive and like fuck

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>II doctors studied for and I agree doctors are brilliant,

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>but also like everyone on the planet, doctors a human,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>doctors get things wrong. Podcasters get things wrong, you know,

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>bricklayers get things wrong, neurosurgeons get there, you know, And

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. I think it's not a replacement, like you said.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a valuable tool. And you know,

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>when you know, AI doesn't get tired, like, it doesn't fatigue,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't you know, So I think we would be

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>even in academia. Now there's this real kind of debates

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>not the right word, but conversation going on around how

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to use AI in research, how to use AI in

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>academia in general, because like if I can if I

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>can write a paper and then I just go, I

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>can put that through AI and say, do all my

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>references at the bottom, and it's done in thirty seconds,

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>saving me three hours. It's not like, well that's it's

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not really cheating. It's like, well, all the contents

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in there, it's drawing from my work and my references

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and the authors that I've used and the papers that

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I've used. And by the way, there is actually a

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>program that does all of this, multiple programs but it's

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad example. But yeah, I think trying to figure

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>out how to ethically use AI moving forward, but also

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>with as you inferred, realizing that it's going to be

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>inaccurate and it's going to get shit wrong. Ergo you

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>know what's his name and his lover?

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's interesting we have only ever recorded

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 2>this podcast late in the day once in the entire

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>years what we're doing. Two years at least we've been

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>doing podcast. And interestingly, I know for a fact that

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>I perform so much better in the morning in terms

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of my recall, my engagement, and I think that this

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>very same podcast, using the same topics, same information, done

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.959
<v Speaker 2>at say eight o'clock at night, would be totally different,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and I reckon more crab because I just work better

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. I'm a morning person, and I think

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>that for me, particularly with recall, if I'm tired, you know,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.239
<v Speaker 2>all those sorts of factors play a part. So if

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you're being you know, sitting down with your GP and

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you're the last appointment for the day and he's a

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>bit foggy because he's had a long day, then or

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>she potentially that could be something that could impact their diagnosis.

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think we've got a factor that and just

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>be real and practical and say, it's not that they're

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>bad people, it's not that they don't know a lot,

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not that they don't care. It's just that they fatigue.

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's quite a bit of research done, kind

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>of more curiosity based research than life changing research around

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>when you want to go before a judge. If you've

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>been charged with something like, yeah, the best time of

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the day to see a judges early in the day,

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>when he or she is in a better mood, they're fresh,

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>they've had breakfast, they've had a sleep, and nobody's pissed

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>them off.

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yet they just don't think don't go to don't go

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in front of a judge of the first place?

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you know it hasn't stopped you three

0:31:58.760 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>or four times.

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about I've got to tell you one more

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>AI story because I'm so excited about this. Go on cool.

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 2>There's a new film that's come out. Wait, it's called

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Watch the Skies And I was about to hit you

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 2>up with that.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Will you send me this fucking list? And then you

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>don't let me use the list? Like wait, wait, I've

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>literally got it in front of me.

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, how have you noticed he has this look

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>on his face and when he's about to change the topic.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Don't talk to Tiff. Don't talk to Tiff and try

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and get support from her. Why do you send me

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>this list if you don't let me use the list?

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Keep going. Tell us about Watch

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the Skies.

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's a Swedish UFO film and it's about this

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>person whose father is abducted by aliens or thinks their

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>father has been abducted. But that's not the exciting thing.

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does seem like a movie that I

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>would definitely watch. But what I'm most excited about is

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that they've recorded it in Swedish, that's the original film,

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>and then they got the actors to revoice it in English,

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and instead of reshooting the film, they've used AI to

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>move their lips in time to the English phrases. So

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>you're having to watch that kind of really weird thing.

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Remember the old, the old martial art film dub.

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>You disrespect by Family.

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the one, and everybody Craig just moved his lips. Anyway,

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.479
<v Speaker 2>This is an audio podcast. By the way, I just

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>wanted to make you too laugh and you know it's

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>funny though, because look, there's been a little bit of criticism.

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, just watch the original and read the subtitles.

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>But I was watching a German video this morning with subtitles.

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Germans talk so fast and the words are so long

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>that it's difficult to watch the action on screen whilst

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you're still reading the subtitles. So being able to have

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>an English dub that actually moves in time to the

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>lip movement. So this is from my understanding, this is

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time it's been done properly. So it's called

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Watch the Skies. It's only just coming out, but it

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 2>looks like it's a really great use of deep fake. Effectively,

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 2>that's the AI, you know, we call it deep fake,

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and what they're doing is moving the lips in time

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>to the movements of the English So.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Not nearly as impressive as that, but

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>something in the same ballpark kind of mate is I

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>saw this. This is very new used to me and

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>probably you and TIF will eye roll and go well,

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of course, but so they've got this tech now where

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>let's say you've got to you've got to do a

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 1>five or six minute video that's scripted, so you can

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>literally have it on your screen and the cameras in

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>front of you and your scripts to the right, and

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.879
<v Speaker 1>so your eyes are obviously diverted, and then you push

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a button and it makes it look as though you're

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>talking to camera. That's probably has that been around forever?

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know. That's the first I've heard of it.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>But it makes it lot good. Yeah, that's really exciting that.

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm about to record a fifty video series and

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, obviously I freestyle a lot, but i also

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>have notes. So I've got the screen in front of me,

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the video in front of me, and I've also got

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>my notes to the right usually of whatever it is,

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, even you know, if I'm doing a mentoring

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.240
<v Speaker 1>something or an online gig, You've still got your notes

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to the right. So every now and then your eyes

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.760
<v Speaker 1>are not looking at the camera and you're talking looking

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>to the right, Whereas this corrects all of that, so

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 1>you're always looking at the camera.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exciting. That's pretty pretty cool.

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people who do my job, it makes it. Yeah,

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>it makes it better. Tell us about cars. Tell us

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>about one of my favorite topics.

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I know you love all this sort of stuff. Well,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a people really know the show Me Company, the

0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:01.720
<v Speaker 2>Chinese phone manufacturer for making phones show Me, but they.

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one that's spelt with an X.

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Xiaomi show Me. It's pronounced wow. Gets probably a

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>good thing to point out because when people see it,

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>they probably pronounce it x Iomi or something, but it's

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 2>show Me. Yeah. So because in Chinese X's pronounces a

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>sound like shan where the terracotta warriors are xi An. Anyway,

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>they've released their first electric car. But within the first

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 2>eighteen hours they managed to get two hundred and forty

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 2>thousand orders. There's a lot of people been waiting for

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:38.240
<v Speaker 2>this new electric car.

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's status. Yeah, China's gone nuts with evs, like nuts.

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>The model is called the y U seven and it's

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of the equivalent to the Tesla Model Y but

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit cheaper. And that's what you're right here

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>in China. But I remember the first time I went

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to China was twenty thirteen, and then I went back

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>probably about five years later, and it had gone from

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 2>the first time I was. There. Lots of motorbikes churning

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:13.879
<v Speaker 2>out fumes. So Beijing was always renowned for having this

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 2>haze sitting over it. And then in five years time

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.440
<v Speaker 2>there was all a conversion to electric so everyone was

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:25.239
<v Speaker 2>riding electric scooters instead of petrol driven scooters, so no

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>more churning out from all the scooters that have been

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>driven around. And the other thing that was mind blowing

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>for me at least going from Beijing to a coastal

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 2>town called Beida hur which is where we do tai chi.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 2>The drive there is quite a few hours, and it

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 2>was not forested, and then all of a sudden, five

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>years later, totally forested. They just planted. So you know,

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>that's I guess one of the things that a big

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know country where you put to dictate

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>down you say right, no more petrol driven motorbikes, and

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 2>they're gone, No want more trees, We're going to put more.

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not suggesting that's probably the best way

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of goning, but amazing that they can do that overnight.

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And as you said, there's a real passion now for

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Chinese produced electric vehicles. And you know, eighteen hours, two

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty thousand orders is pretty epic. I reckon I.

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Watched a video yesterday. It was a CEO of Ford

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 1>America and he'd just come back from China and he

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>was saying that all the basically all the Western manufacturers

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 1>need to get their shit together because the stuff they're

0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>doing in China is phenomenal. And it used to be

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:41.280
<v Speaker 1>our Chinese cars junk. Right. He's like, they are better

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and this is the He's like, we are behind now,

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:48.720
<v Speaker 2>And.

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, the quality is the build quality is amazing,

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>which that used to be the issue. The technology is amazing,

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and because they are so efficient, the price is better.

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:02.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's I mean we saw this hap be

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>hard to compete.

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we saw this with Japan in the seventies and eighties,

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 2>where they were the imitator and then became the innovator.

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.399
<v Speaker 2>And that's what's happened in China. You know the term,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Dji is the drone manufacturing company, and it's

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>it's recognized everywhere that Dji, the Chinese brand, makes the

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.319
<v Speaker 2>best drones in terms of you know, what's out on

0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the market at the moment. They're pretty amazing. I'm still

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 2>using the drone that I use this week with my

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>client is an old drone by standards. Now, I's think

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it's probably about five or six years old, and the

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>footage is four k It's stunning. It's got what they

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 2>call a gimbal on the bottom of it, so if

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the wind blows the drone around and it moves, the

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 2>cameras is perfectly locked. It's stunning. It's really great and

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the footage is great. And that was you know, five

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 2>or six year old drone and it's still working exceptionally

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>well today.

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>The same thing happened with you know, you said Japan

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and now we're China. In the middle of those two

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>was Korea, remember South Korea with Hyundai and Kia, and

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>because when Hyundas came out, they were fucking terrible and

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>now they're amazing, like the build quality on all of

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>these things, and it's I guess it's a natural evolution.

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>So we will watch this space tell me why driving

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 1>my car fast away from the lights is a good idea.

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 1>And I couldn't be happier about this.

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought you'd get half a chub over this, scientist.

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure you can say that.

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Can I crap? Sorry?

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Can you get when when we look at the bars

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>on the ev on the battery.

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, thank you for

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 2>getting me out of that hole.

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So quite often, so many things, so many things.

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Do Remember when you had your first car, people would

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>say to you, you know, if you accelerate really fast,

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 2>it blows all the carb and crap out of the car,

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's better for your car to do that. And

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>that was a great excuse to accelerate quickly and your

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, fourteen hundred mes to eight oh eight. Well

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 2>they're now saying that electric cars actually can benefit from

0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>rapid acceleration. So it's supposed to be good for the

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>electric battery because it's called dynamic cycling, and it just

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.719
<v Speaker 2>means you put it under real load for a very

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 2>short amount of time in rapid acceleration, and it's now

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 2>thought that it's actually better for the battery to do that,

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>So there is actual science behind it. The findings found

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 2>that the battery health responds to what they call low

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 2>frequency pulses and then higher peak currents rather than just

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 2>stained draw So when you you know, when a battery

0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:46.439
<v Speaker 2>gets used, generally it's under a sustained load, but by

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 2>increasing and decreasing that those bursts of power then like

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>can stop and go traffic will actually help and so

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>research has gone into that. So I mean, we're not

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>encouraging you to go over the speed limit, but getting

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 2>there quickly and fun is always good, isn't it. Craig, Well,

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 2>my car.

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Is electric and petrol like yours. It's a hybrid. So

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I've got to take one for the

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 1>team and scretch away from the lights for the good

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of the environment and the world and humanity, I will

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>do it. Now, what has come to our attention this

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>week has been all the data breach with Quantis, and

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I know in your cyber security section here we're talking

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 1>about how we need to be aware of cyber criminals.

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I didn't want to go into all the

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>detail because there's so much in the media about what's

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>going on with the Quantus thing, and it's evolving every minute,

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, every day we're hearing new details and statistics.

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It was six million initially, and that's five point seven

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 2>million people whose data basically frequent flyers data's out there.

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>But I was reading a really interesting article that talked

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 2>about what ald accounts mean for your online privacy in

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 2>online safety because you know, when you think of it,

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>every time you've signed up to buy some groceries, or

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you've maybe downloaded a mobile game, a fitness app, anything

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>that you've done online over all the decades that we've

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 2>been online, that could still be sitting there somewhere on

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 2>a server with your information. And it could be your name,

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>it could be your phone number, your address, that points

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 2>those points of reference data that those points of information

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>are what makes your self fulnderable online because it's identity

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 2>theft effectively, if they know your address, know your phone number,

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.000
<v Speaker 2>know all those points of reference that you give willingly

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and handover, and it could even be a credit card

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 2>information then potentially because it's sitting out there and it's

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 2>thought that the average person is about one hundred and

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>seventy passwords, but they're all out there and people reuse

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 2>them as well. So this article was really good because

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it talked about why old accounts can be such a

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>big security risk and then the methods that you can

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>go through to try to get rid of them. So

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 2>one of the things you can do, who is just

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 2>think about all the old accounts you've got, go in

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>there and delete them if you've not used them. For

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 2>more than twelve months, then it's probably not idea for

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 2>to have them there. And then I thought, well, who's

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 2>going to remember all of those? And so what you

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.879
<v Speaker 2>can do is you can actually do search in your

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>email for things like welcome to you know, after you've joined,

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, you get that email welcome to you, Craig

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Harper role with the Punches Club, so that sort of stuff,

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and you think it's an unsubscribe from that crap, the

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Craig Halper part, not the role of the Punches yet.

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>But so there's ways you can go about looking for

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>old accounts and then deleting them. And if you can't

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 2>delete them, because some make it really hard to do that,

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 2>go into the credit card info and delete the credit card,

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>try or change the information so it's not your information.

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you're finding that you've got a site that

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>you've gone to and they're just refusing to delete it,

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 2>then just change it to some something else and it's

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>not something that you you know, you're not going to

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 2>spend the next twenty four hours doing it, but every

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 2>now and again just jump and jump on and check

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.319
<v Speaker 2>and just see if there's an old account that you

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 2>don't need any more, uninstall the app, delete your information.

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what if there's probably some cyber criminals somewhere

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>on the planet right now tracking your blood sugar.

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Hey, what's your blood sugar at the moment?

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Tip Well been dying to tell you.

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Guys we've dropped down of three point five.

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a bit of a worry.

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Quick, don't get yourself a muffin quick, hurry the fuck up,

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>go to the pantry. I told wanted this to make

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>me eat less.

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>You were not more.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that. I don't know that that thing's

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a good thing for you. I think that's just going

0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to create a new level of anxiety that you can't.

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Get one of those pistachio quick, give you a jake

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 3>the road, you give you that would be nice because

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 3>that would get your blood sugar up, wouldn't it.

0:45:55.920 --> 0:46:00.839
<v Speaker 2>What a fresh date? What I like? Its stick good.

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just rather than a jelly baby something that's great.

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Fresh dates with homemade almond butter.

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>You know what, tiff, I had to go to a

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>dinner recently, and so I thought it'd make a vegan dessert.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know what it was. You get fresh dates,

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.280
<v Speaker 2>you cut all the pips out and then you flatten

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>them in a tray, cover them with crunchy peanut butter,

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>then hot dark chocolate, you melt the dart, then you

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>put coconut sprinkles and fresh raspberries, and then when the

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>best slice ever?

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.439
<v Speaker 1>Next time I speaking of diabetes harps and.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I come to the land, can you make that from Yes? Absolutely,

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 3>perps in that virtual headset. Yeah, it's really fun.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>That would be that would give me a heart attack. Patrick,

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:56.520
<v Speaker 1>before we move on from cybersecurity, tell me how hackers

0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>can attack my phone via earbuds and how this.

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Is really worrying, isn't it. So some of the formats

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.759
<v Speaker 2>that are used with bluetooth connectivity from your headphones to

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>your phone, evidently now it's thought that your earbuds could

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 2>be more vulnerable.

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:13.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's holding his headphones in front of us. Again

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a visual reference on an audio podcast, Nice one, gravit.

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Now that's been audio referenced because you translated for the listener.

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. But use I use Bluetooth headphones all day,

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>like when I'm out in the Yeah.

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there are some vulnerabilities, it's thought in bluetooth hardware,

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and so researchers are trying to think of okay, like

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>they're doing a proof of concept exploit, but they're thinking

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 2>that not only could you get into the phone, and

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 2>they're saying it could be quite a severe risk. But

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 2>it's more than just monitoring what you're doing. So if

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you're having a phone call with Tiff using your headphones,

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>then potentially someone could be listening in by hacking the

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Bluetooth connection. But they're saying that it could all so

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 2>exploit and hack into your device via the Bluetooth connection

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>as well. I know, it's a bit of a worry,

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. This was an article that was on a

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 2>website called Bleeping Computer, and they reported that basically speaker

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>microphone hardwareby used by about twenty nine devices and potentially

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 2>lots more. And we're talking all the big brands, you know, Bo's, Sony, Jabra, Marshall, JBL.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 2>All of those are using a consistent model. It makes sense,

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be compatible. So there's a thought that

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, this potentially could open up. I mean, I

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 2>guess you've got to be in close proximity to somebody

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 2>who's trying to hack you. But that's the thing. If

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you're walking through an airport. You know, if you happen

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to be in a public place, is there a protection

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 2>against it? Well not yet that.

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 3>It's violence and coercive control. Yep.

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:54.360 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I hope they don't learn how to hack defibrillators and

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:07.800
<v Speaker 1>pacemakers because the crab could be in trouble. Y imagine

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 1>if somebody could just like jump in and turn his

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>heart rate up to one hundred and thirty, Like it's

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? That's I reckon that's

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:21.719
<v Speaker 1>possible because it's all tracked. I mean, it's linked. Like

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 1>if his heart rate goes into a weird rhythm, he

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:29.399
<v Speaker 1>gets a phone call like they know. Yeah, that's that's

0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit scary.

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 3>All right.

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Before we focus on the Crab's demise, which we probably shouldn't,

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to jump around a little bit, Patrick, because

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>this is the intersection of my work and your work.

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>So what happens to my brain when we'll come back

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to a few more, But what happens to my brain

0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 1>when I watch videos online at faster speeds than normal, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Tiff does this constantly. Tiff never watches

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.959
<v Speaker 1>anything in real time. So what happens when I watch

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<v Speaker 1>things at one point five or two.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the problem is recall. So what happens is linguistically,

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>when you read something, your brain has to convert it

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>into information that it can then take in, and that

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>can only be done at a certain speeds. So if

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 2>you're listening at a higher speed rate, whether it's an

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.279
<v Speaker 2>audiobook or watching a video. And the other thing is

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that lots of students do this. Students that are studying remotely,

0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 2>who don't go go to courses, they will watch a

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 2>playback of a conference or a lecture in faster speed

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to get through it quicker. But you could be doing

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:34.640
<v Speaker 2>yourself a disservice because what it potentially means, and this

0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 2>is some research, up to eighty nine percent of students

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 2>in California that were researched said that they did watch

0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:46.840
<v Speaker 2>all of the replays on a faster speed eighty nine percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So the problem is we hear something, we take it in,

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.160
<v Speaker 2>our brain listens to it, it absorbs the information and

0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 2>then effectively writes it to our mental hard drive. But

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 2>when you speed it up, it's not able to do

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that process as effectively. So you may be doing yourself

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 2>a disservice. You might save yourself half an hour, but

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you might need another half hour to do more research

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 2>to remember the stuff that you didn't hear the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes that makes total sense.

0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Its face looks like a prune now, like she's really

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:18.359
<v Speaker 2>scrunching it up.

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 1>She's listened to a lot of shit but learned nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Whole This is my whole life, my whole life.

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Hey, listeners, Patrick sends me a list of what we're

0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about, and just these dot points. Listen

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to this dot point and as if anyone in the

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>world could have written this dot point except yours. Truly

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.799
<v Speaker 1>laser engraved ceramics storage device that stores data for five

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>thousand years targets astounding one thousand peter bytes per rack

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 1>by twenty thirty ten x performance boost at one hundred

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:58.959
<v Speaker 1>thousand peter bytes per rack. Also on surbates roadmap, What

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the fuck does that mean? What does that even mean?

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't read I don't even understand the what does

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there's a new way, there's a startup in Germany.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So why didn't you put that?

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It might have been a copy and

0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 2>paste by the seventeen year old who works for me

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 2>because I ran out of time. So they're using laser

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.240
<v Speaker 2>engraving onto ceramic and this and this is a revolution.

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a startup company in Germany. But we're talking

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 2>about not like ten times. The performance and the storage

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:42.359
<v Speaker 2>is just out of sight. When you start talking about

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.120
<v Speaker 2>things like petabytes and the amount of storage. It's like

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 2>all of the world's data stored on you know, a

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 2>ceramic chip. It's just a new way of storing data

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:54.399
<v Speaker 2>but also being able to retrieve it really quickly and

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:57.719
<v Speaker 2>making it more secure and long lasting. Because do you

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 2>remember when CDs came out and everyone was backing up

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>everything onto CD. A friend of mine who you've met,

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.399
<v Speaker 2>my friends that live in Hampton, My mate Michael lived

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 2>in the lived in worked in the film industry, and

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 2>one of his colleagues had saved all of the They

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:17.279
<v Speaker 2>backed up everything onto CD and then they found out

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that CDs don't last and what happens. Data eventually got

0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 2>corrupted and they lost all of this information. So effective

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>ways to store stuff, because there are still data centers.

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 2>The hierarchy of data storage is if it's data that

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 2>is instantly retrievable, stuff that you need to get access

0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:41.240
<v Speaker 2>too quickly. Then they use you know, solid state drives

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 2>so SSDs. Stuff that tends to be not used as

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 2>much can sometimes be saved on traditional hard drives, and

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 2>some of it are still used on tape drives, like

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the old you know, you remember tape drive. So if

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 2>it's data that it's not as necessary, but he's still

0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:59.239
<v Speaker 2>want to retain it. That means the retrieval can be

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot slow getting that data because it's stored in

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 2>an old system. So the future of data storage and

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 2>you don't need to know what peta bytes and all

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.360
<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff are. But the reason, the reason

0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this is so exciting that their laser engraving ceramics is

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that it will last for five thousand years.

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<v Speaker 1>Better at night. All right, last one? If you can

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>do the last one in.

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<v Speaker 2>Two minutes, man, okay, two minutes, you can make a

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 2>story sound even more boring.

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm giving you an opportunity to finish on a high. Right,

0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 1>you've been very good today. You just stumbled at the

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:41.759
<v Speaker 1>finish line. A phone that's not a phone to help

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you stop using your phone, I'm actually curious about that.

0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I included a picture for you, Crago. Can

0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you describe the picture that you are seeing in the article,

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>so that you could actually explain to people what you're seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, hang on, I've got a scroll because I'm

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>looking at the cheap notes.

0:54:57.920 --> 0:54:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't actually look at the picture. I put

0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that deliberately so you could see it.

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Are there we go? Right, Yeah, it just looks like

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 1>a slab of glass the size of a phone.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:13.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's exactly the shape. So it's a piece

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.919
<v Speaker 2>of acrylic. It's called a metha phone, and I don't

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 2>know if that's a take on the word meth. I'm

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 2>not sure. But it's supposed to help people who have

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 2>phone addiction because what they find, Ah, people sit there

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>holding their phone, and by replacing the normal phone with

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 2>this just slab of effectively plastic that's in the shape

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 2>of a phone, you can fiddle around with it but

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>not have you know, not actually look at sms's and

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.800
<v Speaker 2>not be distracted by what's happening on a real phone.

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 2>So it will help people who have phone addiction, of

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 2>people who struggle because they're constantly looking at their phone.

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.040
<v Speaker 2>They found if you use a slab of plastic effectively

0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 2>in the same shape as a phone, that It can

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.440
<v Speaker 2>calm people down who get anxious because they feel they

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 2>need to have their phone with them. So it takes

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.200
<v Speaker 2>care of that part of the brain that's kind of

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:08.799
<v Speaker 2>holding onto the phone, and it reassures them and they

0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 2>don't get the same sort of anxiety by not having

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 2>their phone.

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, this reminds me. That makes sense by the

0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>way that tactile familiarity. But a friend of mine who

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:24.359
<v Speaker 1>gave up smoking, who was a big smoker, always had

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a pen in these fingers between his fingers where a

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.880
<v Speaker 1>cigarette would have been, and he would often put the

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>pen up into his mouth as if he was taking

0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a drag, and he knew what he was doing, and

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he's like, it makes me feel better, like having this

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:45.279
<v Speaker 1>pen between my fingers. It's like it was, yeah, therapeutic

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and medicating for him. So that makes complete sense. Patrick.

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Where can people join the Patrick Club?

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, let's just go to websitesnow dot com today you

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 2>if they want to find out what I do, have

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 2>a chat talk about websites marketing and stuff like that.

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 2>Or they can go to taichi at home if they

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 2>just want to do some tai chi exercises with me.

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Has that well gidea up.

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Gidea up, Tiffany and cook look after your blood pressure,

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Go and get yourself a chocolate muffin. Patrick James Bonilla.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the reading? Sorry, sorry, Craigo, I had to interrupt.

0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>What tiff what's your bloods of the.

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.919
<v Speaker 3>Level three point seven? I've got the red red low

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>glucose sign coming up?

0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It was Brain's ready to go offline?

0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it already is. It's already checked out.

0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 2>It's at the cookie shop, but waiting for me? Did

0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:34.160
<v Speaker 2>she read my wallet? She hasn't spoken for the last

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, if you noticed that, Craigan.

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>No, and she's just been dribbling on her keyboard like

0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>a fucking Golden Retriever waiting for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice one, all right, thanks team,