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Speaker 2: Four remain in the race for premiership glory and it's

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Speaker 2: a familiar tale for the AFL landscape. For Geelong, Hawthorne,

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Speaker 2: Collingwood and Brisbane are the top four teams for flags

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Speaker 2: won this century.

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Speaker 3: So how do we.

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Speaker 2: Have an AFL equalization issue or is there no cause

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Speaker 2: for alarm? Plus, the trade period now looks likely to

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Speaker 2: be headlined by not one, not two, but three genuine

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Speaker 2: stars of the game. So what's the likelihood that Zach Merritt,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kerno and Christian Petrarca one get traded? And two

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Speaker 2: if they do get traded, what clubs do they land at?

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Speaker 2: We'll have the bold verdicts plus the crucial preliminary final tips,

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Speaker 2: as well as all your favorite regular segments on the

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Speaker 2: Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth with you as is the

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Speaker 2: biggest each way footy reporter in the industry. This week,

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Speaker 2: Max Lord, Hello Maxie.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's not me being into horse racing that's

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Speaker 4: not what you're meaning. Although spring carnival season is upon

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Speaker 4: us and I can't wait to have to care about

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Speaker 4: the Melbourne Cup. What are you talking?

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Geelong plays Hawthorn this week, which

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Speaker 2: you did predict, and that also that you will be

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Speaker 2: tipping Hawthorne and barracking for Geelong, so you can't lose.

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Speaker 4: Shall we skip ahead to the mail bag where Rudy, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Rudy asked, why did you manifest this? Max? Why did

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Speaker 4: you do this to me? I'm sorry, Geelong fans. I

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Speaker 4: also tipped hawk On to win it, so concerning no.

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Speaker 2: I wants to play the Hawks at the moment. Also

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Speaker 2: also joining us is the number one ticket holder of

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Speaker 2: the Curtis Patterson fan Club, Will Falkman.

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Speaker 5: Hello there, Yes, very good afternoon boys. And they've been

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Speaker 5: in reference to Curtis Patterson making a Dean Jones Trophy

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Speaker 5: hundred on the first city dated the domestic summer. Feels

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Speaker 5: wrong saying that on September sixteen, but it.

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Speaker 4: Was weird when they were playing those matches in Darwin

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Speaker 4: in August, so we're closer to summer.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, first ball of spring, first game of spring, Well.

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Speaker 2: Games away from Real Cricket season fourty four. So this

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Speaker 2: bear with us for a little bit longer if you

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Speaker 2: can so. Max, you wrote a really interesting piece on

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Speaker 2: the Fox Sports website that went up on Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 2: Sixty percent of all Premierships in the last twenty five

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Speaker 2: by either Geelong, Hawthorne, Brisbane or Collingwood, and all of

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Speaker 2: those four teams at least one has made a prelim

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Speaker 2: in every season since two thousand and six. So the

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Speaker 2: overriding question is congratulations of those four team teams are

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Speaker 2: making the prelim. But do we have a problem in

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Speaker 2: the AFL industry.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is where you can do a bit of

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Speaker 4: to be, because that sounds pretty dramatic, doesn't it. Once

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Speaker 4: one of those teams wins the flag, that will be

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Speaker 4: true sixty percent of twenty five Although it's worth pointing

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Speaker 4: out that in every sport, in every league, you have

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Speaker 4: teams that dominate for a period. Right Premier league has

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Speaker 4: and things like that. Even in the VFL AFL history,

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Speaker 4: the twenty five years before the last twenty five years, yes,

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Speaker 4: won like twenty of twenty six flags, right, something like that.

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Speaker 4: The eighties were basically three teams trading flags between them.

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Speaker 2: So look, you're always on the teams in that period.

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Speaker 4: This is true for much of that period. That is true,

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Speaker 4: in that same period, in that twenty five years, and

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Speaker 5: Things happened most of them two prelims in that time

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Speaker 4: I think so if you include the whole century, because

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Speaker 4: So yeah, every team has had a crack. Realistically, I

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Speaker 4: and a half. Brisbane come back from the brink. They

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Speaker 4: in the leg of the show, which would be crazy.

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Speaker 4: And then of course Geelong has been up there seemingly forever.

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Speaker 4: And Collingwood. Collingwood is a little bit of the I

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Speaker 4: of a bit of a what the Hell's in Polar

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Speaker 4: because they've won two flags in this quarter century, but

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Speaker 4: they're not like the most dominant team. Richmond's one more,

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Speaker 2: Since seven, Colin would have been certainly perennial, perennially up there.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we had the Mick Moldhouse year and then

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Speaker 4: They've made the eight as many times as they've missed

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: What's twenty ten Grand finals yeap plus twenty eighteen plus

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Speaker 4: Yes, but they've had a couple of earlier exits as well.

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Speaker 2: Play very intriguing they thought of that.

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Speaker 4: So look, you can certainly make the case you can

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about the Crows and the Suns just

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Speaker 2: Hawthorne had short rebuild sort of earlier this decade, in

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Speaker 2: Yeah that helps. That helps. Brisbane did a genuine rebuild,

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Speaker 2: And it's an anomaly this year that Sydney is not

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Speaker 2: But Sidney and Gelong have been teams that haven't had

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's clearly a consistent theme between those

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Speaker 5: They just a rapid fire rebuild, as you said, Max

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Speaker 4: And then Mitchell's done better than expected to rebuild it

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Speaker 4: They've done it with later draft picks. They kept hitting

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Speaker 4: to have first round draft picks play in the VFL

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned the Crows and the Suns getting some

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Speaker 5: Yes you are correct, and wrote article about this before

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Speaker 2: I think you're right that we can still come away

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Speaker 4: And that was a good enough game to be a

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Speaker 4: So look, they're going to keep getting better. The problem

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Speaker 2: So let's go through the three big names of the

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Speaker 5: I think so he's probably the hardest of the three.

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Speaker 4: It's a marginal upgrade probably over the next five years

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Speaker 5: It's unnecessary.

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Speaker 4: He's worth it.

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Speaker 5: So I can't see Gold Coast, can't see Sidney Geelong.

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Speaker 4: you're along. Neil's good enough now that it's like Kurno. Yes,

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Speaker 5: Yes, So he's the one that I probably see the

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Speaker 5: I think is very interesting. It broadens the scope for

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Speaker 5: to and it was just impossible to facilitate a trade.

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Speaker 5: So I would be more inclined to say he's more

436
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,200
Speaker 5: likely to stay sorry to go than stay as a

437
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 5: result of those non Victorian clubs being in the mix.

438
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,840
Speaker 5: But I couldn't tell you where. I mean Adelaide. He's

439
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,679
Speaker 5: a perfect player for Adelaide right now with what they

440
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,760
Speaker 5: need in their midfield. I think they got grown up badly.

441
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 5: But you'd also say a lot of teams would love

442
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,479
Speaker 5: a player like Christian Petraka in their midfield. I mean,

443
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,920
Speaker 5: you look at Hawthorne, who they're going after Zach Merritt,

444
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,160
Speaker 5: I'm sure they'd love to have Petraca just as much

445
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 5: as they would Merit in their midfield right now.

446
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 4: It's good that they've got two options now if the

447
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 4: Merit thing falls over, they can sort of keep that

448
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,119
Speaker 4: going on the back burner. Yes, yes, No, I definitely

449
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 4: think PETRACA makes more sense. It's a healthier situation, and

450
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 4: the health of the situation in that both teams are,

451
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 4: both sides are happy to look at It means everyone's

452
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 4: going to be willing to push it forward. So it's

453
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Speaker 4: just more likely to progress in my view.

454
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Speaker 2: And Zach Merritt staying, it feels like this is more

455
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Speaker 2: now going.

456
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,359
Speaker 5: It just has to go.

457
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,640
Speaker 4: Like it's gone so badly in the space of a week.

458
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: Real sour, real sour. Yeah.

459
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Speaker 5: I think everyone wanted to believe that it was just

460
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,040
Speaker 5: rumors and murmurs and he wasn't going to leave. But

461
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Speaker 5: in the last seven days, as you said, it's just

462
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 5: gone to still a popular journalist's term, nuclear. Yes, so,

463
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,919
Speaker 5: but I thought the nuclear.

464
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Speaker 4: Option was actually requesting a trade. Have we gone early

465
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Speaker 4: with the nukes? Surely not giant his potential team mat.

466
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Speaker 2: In word at the moment, isn't this a little bit

467
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: the vernacular?

468
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Speaker 5: I mean I don't. I'm very much in the camp

469
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 5: that if you played two hundred and fifty one games

470
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 5: at the club over twelve seasons, you are more than

471
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 5: you have zero success, you are more than inclined. It

472
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 5: is just a shame that there is no real precedent

473
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 5: in the last ten years of a captain in contract

474
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 5: leaving and that's what makes this whole Merit situation so big,

475
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 5: and the fact that it's Essendon and they've prementally been

476
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 5: towards the bottom of the ladder with little success. So

477
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 5: I think Ryan Griffin was the last person to leave

478
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 5: in twenty four contract in contract as a captain at

479
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 5: the Western Bulldogs twenty fourteen went to thet WS and

480
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 5: that was Tom Boyd after one year at WS and

481
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 5: pick six that went the way of the Western Bulldogs

482
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 5: in return for Griffin, and Griffin is not the caliber

483
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 5: of player that Merit was, so you would say it's

484
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 5: like the equivalent of maybe like a CADMIN and a

485
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Speaker 5: top pick in return, which I don't think is going

486
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Speaker 5: to happen. So I just can't see any world where

487
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Speaker 5: he's not where he's at the next year.

488
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Speaker 2: We'll get into the whole essonon side of things and

489
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Speaker 2: a strategy in this segment.

490
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Speaker 1: And now on the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition

491
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Speaker 1: of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

492
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Speaker 4: Fair or Fast Max real sounding board sort of areas.

493
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Speaker 2: Is it not? Essenon's very public and strategic response to

494
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: the merit trade Sarka was well executed Fair or Fast.

495
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 4: Well executed well if he stays, I think it's well executed, right.

496
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: But it is very weird to have a club very

497
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 4: clearly deliberately first send its senior players out into the

498
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Speaker 4: media to not talk bad about their captain, but to

499
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 4: all say the same thing of you know, we're disappointed.

500
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 4: We understand, you know he's got to look after a

501
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 4: few dre I do the same thing, but you know,

502
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Speaker 4: it's disappointing. He's the captain. He's our captain. He's our captain.

503
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 4: Guys's if you didn't realize he's our captain. You can't

504
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 4: do this multiple players talking to the media on the

505
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 4: same day, pretty clearly pushed by the club. You've also

506
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: got the club seemingly back chat with the media and

507
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 4: certain people. I think Caroline Wilson was talking on seven

508
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: on Monday Night weird stuff about like him disrespecting afl

509
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 4: W players by like during training sessions, like getting in

510
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 4: the way, eating in the way, like, which was a.

511
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: Very specific thing to say.

512
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 4: Very specific and very clearly from Essendon. Yeah right, So

513
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 4: that's that's the part that makes me think that this

514
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 4: is definitely happening, because when your club is saying that

515
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: about your sitting captain, at the very least, he's coming

516
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 4: back with his tail as far between his legs as

517
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Speaker 4: humanly possible if he doesn't get traded. But I think

518
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 4: it's more likely it just happens and they accept whatever

519
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: Hawthorne gives them.

520
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Speaker 2: So it started with the Brad Scott interview here on

521
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Speaker 2: three sixtys. It was very strong, he was very impressive.

522
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Speaker 2: Then Craig was the next day of the chief executive

523
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Speaker 2: David Barram sends a letter to members. Then we've heard

524
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Speaker 2: from Nick Martin, Andrew McGrath and coincidentally Mason Redmond, who

525
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: had since come out that before he said his words,

526
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: apparently he was not whether he knew about it or not,

527
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: but his name was raised to multiple other rival clubs

528
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Speaker 2: that he might have been from straded Yer potentially.

529
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Speaker 4: So this situation is so awkward because Merritt re signed

530
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 4: at a time when it seemed like they had their

531
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Speaker 4: strategy in order two years ago. I think it was

532
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: he signed for four more years, and the thought would be, Okay, look,

533
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 4: yes we've had some bad times, but we are finally rebuilding.

534
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 4: We have some organization behind the scenes with Brad Scott

535
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: taking over the club, and we're going to be fine.

536
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 4: And then they were average for two years, which sort

537
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 4: of maybe gave them a misguided view of where they're at.

538
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 4: And then they went into this season clearly going we're

539
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 4: not going to be any good. Let's not do anything

540
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 4: of the trade period, let's take our time, and then

541
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: the injuries made things worse than they were. So it's

542
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: like Zach Merritt's fault that the club was worse than

543
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 4: he thought it would be, but the strategy was mis

544
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: executed on the field, so that's made his situation different.

545
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: And then you have the war of words almost between

546
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: different media reports of you know, Zach Merrett went to

547
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: the club, and he came to us and he asked

548
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: for more money, so we raised his salary. Consummere to it,

549
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 4: however that word is spoken, you know what commention yes

550
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 4: to his production on the field. We raised his salary,

551
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: but to be fair, that was because Secuta was offering

552
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 4: him double his wage to leave last year and he

553
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 4: chose not to. So, yes, they didn't have to raise

554
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 4: his salary. But it's the same thing with any employee

555
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: at a company who says, Hey, I've got this job offer,

556
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: I'd rather stay. Can you give me some more money please.

557
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 4: It's a very reasonable thing for a player to say.

558
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 4: So it makes me a little uncomfortable with the way

559
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: the Bombers have handled this, and in a sense, are

560
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: they not lowering his trade value by making him sound like.

561
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 5: A bit of a jerk.

562
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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking today, is that Merit's reputation

563
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: has not necessarily been enhanced ahead of the trade period

564
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: to make arrival clubs throw themselves at his feet more.

565
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 5: It's one thing for I mean, Scott Scott was great

566
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 5: on True sixty. I think it's one thing to have

567
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 5: people like Craig Fozzo and Dave Barhams and out letters

568
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 5: and speak to the media. But to have your own

569
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 5: senior teammates speak to media in a less than desirable light,

570
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 5: I don't know how you come back from that. And

571
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 5: the remen I just find so incredibly ironic that he's

572
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 5: since been whether or not it was to his knowledge,

573
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: shopped around by his manager. All players do it like

574
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: it's just a part of it, and it just so

575
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 5: happens that he's a captain who's been lords to a

576
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 5: club for so long. And I don't know why any

577
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: player from any other club would want to go to

578
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 5: Essendon right now with all this noise going on, I mean,

579
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: independent from Merit and other players who are up for

580
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 5: a move, call it Ridley or Sam Draper. It's just

581
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 5: not an appealing place to go right now. And I

582
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 5: don't think the off field management of these sort of

583
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 5: crisis crises are doing them any favors.

584
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: Who does it help for Essendon to come out and

585
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: try and talk down Zach Merritt's value.

586
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: Only if they wanted to keep him, but I don't know.

587
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 4: But they're making their relationship with him worse than the process,

588
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: so so that doesn't make any sense either. So they're

589
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 4: acting like jilted lovers right like there's you want to leave, no,

590
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: we want you gone, Like it's this bizarre situation where

591
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: they're taking it more personally than it feels like they

592
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 4: should be.

593
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: Turning into a rom com, isn't he saying if.

594
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: I knew more wrong coms, I would name one right

595
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: now for you.

596
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: Fork.

597
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: It's about a boy.

598
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: I guess. Sam Mitchell clearly doesn't care one ioda what

599
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: rival clubs think of his proactive recruiting stance and actions

600
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: fair or fast.

601
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 5: Fair, and I love it. It is great. I mean,

602
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 5: there aren't many coaches I don't think that are so publicly.

603
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: Not that he announces it himself, but he certainly doesn't

604
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 5: shy away from it, and I think it. I mean,

605
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 5: this is at the other end of the spectrum in

606
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 5: my opinion with Essendon is it's a club that is

607
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 5: no shame in doing what's best for them and you

608
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: know the effect that has another clubs. Not that I

609
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 5: mean essen is clearly shameless with how they've handled Zach Merritt,

610
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 5: But yeah, I have I'm all for it. I'm all

611
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 5: for sam Mitchell's for his play on the trade.

612
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: It matches their on field style, it matches their player

613
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: in playing group, the attitude that they have. Yeah, where

614
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: Hawthorne you deal with it, that's the whole sort of vibe.

615
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 5: It is very easy to do that when you're at

616
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 5: the top half of the ladder. True because I think

617
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 5: sank Kilda and North Melbourne maybe not publicly with their coaching,

618
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 5: but they've even adelaide. Theyve went real hard on players

619
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 5: on the trade table and we're probably not looking at

620
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 5: it this glamorously is what we are with Sam Mitchell.

621
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: But when you bring success, you can be very hard nosed.

622
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: He hasn't been arrogant when asked about it in the

623
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: last week, but he's been sort of quietly unapologetic. At

624
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: the same time. It's quite refreshing in.

625
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: Perfect industry out it.

626
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: Maxi Melbourne might have rushed its coaching search process fair

627
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: or fast.

628
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: I'll thit they definitely did because there was a candidate

629
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 4: who they were considering who just said, hey, can you

630
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: wait a few days and a timeline that they put

631
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 4: out which was preliminary final week, and then they went

632
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 4: ahead of their own schedule which they announced, so they

633
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: high Stephen King and he could be a perfectly fine choice.

634
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: Certainly got a lot of experience, a lot of highly

635
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: rated assistant chatter around him and it's highly rated assistant season,

636
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: so good for him getting the gig. But Nathan Buckley

637
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 4: was willing to consider them. It does seem like he

638
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: was keeping them in the conversation for his future, but

639
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 4: really he wanted Tasmania, and he sort of said as

640
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: much on Monday on couch that I prefer that job anyway.

641
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: So maybe maybe they got that center We're like, all right, well,

642
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: we're not gonna wait for you anymore. But at the

643
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: same time, if they really wanted him, and everyone thought

644
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: that they did, they could have waited. There was no

645
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: rush at all. They're not competing with anyone perceiving King

646
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: Services next year because he was just going to stay

647
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: as long as an assistant, you would assume. So it

648
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: does seem a little odd. But if that's the call

649
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: they made, if they figured out that he is not

650
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: the man with the passion for the Demon's job that

651
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Speaker 4: they needed, then fair enough to them.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of the whole process?

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Speaker 5: I actually didn't mind it from Melbourne. I mean, yeah, Barkley,

654
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Speaker 5: it sounds like retrospective. It was probably more eyes on

655
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 5: the Tasmania job, or still does. But I sort of say,

656
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Speaker 5: if Barkley isn't one hundred percent in, then I don't

657
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Speaker 5: see why we would have to wait around for him.

658
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Speaker 5: I know they're only competing with their own timeline, but

659
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Speaker 5: want you want the coach to be one hundred percent

660
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Speaker 5: in from start to finish.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, I wonder if it wasn't so much

662
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Speaker 4: that he was one hundred percent in, as it was

663
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Speaker 4: he knew his you in that search. He knew that

664
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Speaker 4: he was the only established coach willing to consider them.

665
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: So he was going to ask for more in terms

666
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Speaker 4: of more control, more ways to get what he wants

667
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Speaker 4: in terms of the people who come into the club

668
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Speaker 4: for next year. And they were willing to say, well,

669
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Speaker 4: hang on, we don't need to listen to that. We've

670
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: got a perfectly fine B option right here. We'll go

671
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Speaker 4: with him and we're happy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Perhaps I would just say if he was so

673
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Speaker 5: invested in so keen on the job, he probably would

674
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Speaker 5: have committed to that point in time after the interview process.

675
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Speaker 5: It's hypothetical. I don't know, but I have no issue

676
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Speaker 5: with it personally.

677
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Speaker 2: Four careal niche crows one for you. Lockey Murphy was

678
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: treated harshly by Adelaide fans fear or fast too soon.

679
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Speaker 5: It's been ninety minutes since Lockie Murphy. Yes, and even

680
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 5: west Lake's meeting hasn't been officially but delisted yet No,

681
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Speaker 5: I know the club hasn't put out a statement. I'd

682
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Speaker 5: imagine they'd be winning for prime time.

683
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Speaker 2: So but he was good on him for being honest

684
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Speaker 2: in his in his doorstops stuff to believe in the club,

685
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: which can be really really hard time.

686
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Speaker 5: This is no good for me for his words. But

687
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Speaker 5: he then also phrased and I think you know, admitted

688
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 5: that people do lose their jobs every day. Yeah, so

689
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty games, eight seasons at the Crows,

690
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Speaker 5: I would say it's probably about I.

691
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Speaker 2: Could not believe whenever the Crows team came out and

692
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: he was in the team or he'd been left out

693
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: the feedback that he would receive.

694
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Speaker 5: A lot and to use his quote, probably no good

695
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Speaker 5: for me. I don't think you would have loved it.

696
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: But I mean I personally thought he was a role player.

697
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Speaker 5: He was someone that I thought you get the absolute

698
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 5: most out of, similar to Neanmick Henry. You know, just

699
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 5: it's a tough role as a small forward and to

700
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Speaker 5: squeeze out one hundred and twenty games in that role

701
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Speaker 5: is pretty good.

702
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Speaker 4: He was the whipping boy.

703
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Speaker 5: He was the whipping boy, the Jake Leman of the

704
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Speaker 5: the Whipping Boy Max.

705
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Speaker 2: The silence from the AFL around the recent Bailey Smith

706
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: and Chris Scott outbursts is deafening and troubling. Fair or

707
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: fast very fair.

708
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Speaker 4: This sucks, Ben, This sucks all the people who post

709
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: AI generated cartoons on our Facebook page about you know,

710
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: going woken, all that stuff. All those people have had

711
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: a pretty good month because you had the AFL's handling

712
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: of the Isaac Rankin situation. Everyone handled that poorly and

713
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 4: now you've got this where you've got it is slightly

714
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: unfair to link them, but they did happen at the

715
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: same time, two senior Geelong figures, one of the best

716
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: players and their coach involved in at the least point

717
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: at least disrespectful situations with women. Bally Smith was definitely disrespectful,

718
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: but he was giving the finger and very public and

719
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: everybody saw it. Was filmed aggressively complaining about a photographer

720
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: doing her job at an open media training session as

721
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: he got some treatment in the open rather than in

722
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Speaker 4: the rooms. I don't know how he could possibly have

723
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: a problem with that. So you can talk about a

724
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Speaker 4: player and a person who has had some mental health

725
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: situations and things that he needs to deal with, but

726
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: you also need to be a nice bloke, so you

727
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 4: can have two simultaneous thoughts there. The Chris got one's

728
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: really weird because that story has grip fed out in

729
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: details and I don't stand it still. So it was

730
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: that he was annoyed at a certain reporter's presence at

731
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Speaker 4: the press conference after the qualifying final. I don't know why,

732
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: whether there was an incident that caused that, but then

733
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Speaker 4: his reaction to that that person being at the press

734
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: conference left an AFL staff for in tears. So whatever's

735
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: happened here and we don't know so many details, which

736
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: is so much depth. He's done something wrong and he's

737
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: apologized and they've accepted it, and no one's no one

738
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: inside the situation is saying that anything more needs to happen.

739
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: But the fact that it's two dralong things a club

740
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: that already you know in Sleepy Hollow, seems to escape

741
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 4: some level of scrutiny that other clubs receive. Let's say

742
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: that it's a breeding round for conspiracies and complaints, and

743
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: particularly when it's to do with behavior against women. The

744
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: AFL has usually been pretty strong in these sorts of

745
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,719
Speaker 4: areas the people who, as I said, call the AFL

746
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: two woke. They're not being pretty woke right now, are they.

747
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: They're saying not enough to me, and it's disappointed.

748
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: So the reporter that is allegedly the center of it

749
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: Matt Spider Lee, who I know and used to be

750
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: in his sem producer, his produced FINEI show on and

751
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: finally had the at the gig and you can hear

752
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: him in his press conference. He's got quite a loud,

753
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: booming voice. Often hear him on Thursday night and Friday

754
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: night press conferences, and these questions are really quite deep

755
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: and he thinks about the game. He's so passionate about

756
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: about the game. He's an absolute ripper. So, yeah, we

757
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: don't know a lot of details, but from my experiences

758
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: with Spider as he's affectionately known, he's, yeah, a hard worker,

759
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: really down to worth, down to worth guy, and so

760
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: passionate about the game, very knowledgeable about the game.

761
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Speaker 4: So he's legally blind yep, has vision issues and we're

762
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: left to read between the lines with these stories. It's

763
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: was there an incident where he an awkward interaction happened

764
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: because of that, But Chris Scott, having been in the

765
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 4: industry for a while, would have been in press conferences

766
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: with him before.

767
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Speaker 2: And Spider has said in an interview with Nick Warner

768
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: that he had had good relationships with media managers and

769
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: that media managers were aware of the AFL was aware

770
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: of that he comes. He comes with a support worker

771
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: as well, So that was that's all been on the table.

772
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: And it's not like gel Long hasn't played Thursday night

773
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: and Friday night games this year, So funny. Yeah, it's a.

774
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: Very weird situation and I just the AFL did comment

775
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: on it. Andrew Willian was asked about it on Monday

776
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: at the press conference.

777
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: About state of origin and didn't say a lot.

778
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: No, And there's a lot of statements from clubs in

779
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 4: leagues over the last month in really bad situations where

780
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: they've not said a lot and they're getting away with

781
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: it and we're covering it as the media. But we

782
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 4: can only do so much.

783
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: Well, said MAXI just on Origin FOURK last one. It

784
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: is a disgrace, but South Australia has been snubbed for

785
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: the origin return fair or Fast.

786
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: You're asking the right person.

787
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: What about the Allies though brutal snub.

788
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: Fast?

789
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: I think I think Western Australian team would be South Australian.

790
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: I reckon, I think so so on that metric, it's

791
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 5: probably fair that WA.

792
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: Do you think that's why they're hosting it because that

793
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: they're a better football club theoretically, and not that the

794
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: WA government wants to spend all of its money from

795
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: the GST that it has because of the weird situation

796
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: with the federal government. We've got all this money, let's

797
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 4: buy all of the events.

798
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 5: If they're willing to spend this, then they can have it.

799
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 5: Would I rather host gather round or state of origin?

800
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 5: I'd gather around? So maybe that's a way of them saying, hey,

801
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 5: w A, you can have this, you know in the

802
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: first start of Origin game in twenty five years.

803
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: The Premier have been outspoken since I haven't heard much from

804
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: Peter Mellons because since.

805
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 5: He's been over has he yes, yes, defense industry are things?

806
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: Oh yes?

807
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 5: At dinner with the King Charles last week?

808
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 4: Did he? I assume other people work at the dinner too,

809
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: It wasn't just a one on one.

810
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct.

811
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: It sounds a bit too much for quite. I know

812
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: he's a future prime minister, but let's not go crazy here.

813
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: That is the end of fear of farsists.

814
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: Now time for this on the.

815
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: Fox Foody podcast. It's time to open up the mail bag.

816
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel. Tweet us every Monday

817
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy a very.

818
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: Brief little mail bag. This week had to be the glimpse. Yes,

819
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 4: that's why I close it back up and we can

820
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 4: open up again. The probably is I forgot to tweet

821
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: on Monday morning, so right, we only got a couple

822
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: of questions. Rory Burnside though, did ask when's the twenty

823
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: twenty sixth fixture expected to be released? Based on past

824
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: track record mid late November.

825
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting It used to be between the trade

826
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: period and the draft, like a week after the trade period.

827
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: It has got later and later. There's been a couple

828
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: of year where it's been in December, it's been after

829
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: the draft, but I think usually now it's before, like

830
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: a week or two before the draft normally.

831
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Speaker 5: Do we think that's roughly round opening rounds, round thirteen normally?

832
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

833
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: About yeah, maybe sixteen things, but of.

834
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Course we'll get you know, gather around first and opening

835
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: round and round one a week of releases.

836
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm surprised. I mean, the NFL has gone to

837
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: this model where they do like a week of TV

838
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 4: shows around the schedule release, and their schedule is predetermined

839
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: based on a formula. It's not even like a guess

840
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: of who you're gonna play. You know exactly what you're

841
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: gonna play and where. It's so stupid, So it would

842
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: not surprise me if they dont to turn it into

843
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 4: more content. Hopefully it's not mid November, because I'm already

844
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 4: missing the draft while I'm away, yes, which is annoying

845
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: for us, and if I missed the fixture as well,

846
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: set back. I love writing about the fixture. Do I

847
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: talk about who's got a tough draw and people say

848
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 4: that doesn't matter and then it actually works out? Yes,

849
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: that's the mailbag for this week.

850
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: That's it.

851
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 4: Thank you Rory and Rudy and everyone else here Ready.

852
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: Of course, though, the main event of the Fox Footy

853
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: podcast as it has come to be in twenty twenty five,

854
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: has been retrospectively, gaining ample wisdom from Kevin.

855
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: She I'm trying to think how many podcasts do we

856
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: have left?

857
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: So well, I think we've got to keep bond going

858
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: for a little bit certainly through the trade period.

859
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to save the final chapter of Sheeds

860
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: the Touch of Cunning.

861
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Does it finish with a bang?

862
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: It finishes with some segments. I'll have to skip right

863
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: for sensitivity reasons. But you know he says plenty of

864
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 4: interesting things throughout the book, Kevin Sheeny in its first

865
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 4: publication by written by Tom Pryor, released in ninety five. Yes,

866
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: so let's go with this one. I believe he's spoken

867
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: about the Queen before. Ah, yes, no, yes, in one

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00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: of his that may have been in the other book. Yeah,

869
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 4: we've always thought how.

870
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: He would have voted in the ninety nine two thousand referendum. Well,

871
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: the Australian Republican every night, speaking of which, yes, o R.

872
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: I did not know. That was a good segue.

873
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: Kevin says, I haven't put too much thought into whether

874
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 4: I'm a Republican or not. There seem to be a

875
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: lot more important things around at the moment. I have

876
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 4: sympathy for many of the Republican ideas, though we're certainly

877
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: old enough and big enough to be looking after ourselves

878
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 4: making our own decisions. But just the same, I have

879
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: a lot of time for the old lady the Queen.

880
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: She's got style and is a real classy lady. Sure

881
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: she's been bred for it, but she's got it and

882
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 4: she can produce it whenever she has.

883
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Zina Hello.

884
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: I try to look at the practical side of things.

885
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: I have a lot of Irish Republicanism in me, but

886
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: I was one of the first kids out in the

887
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: street when the Queen came through in nineteen fifty four,

888
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: and some of the ore is still there as I

889
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: have grown older, I can still see the Queen coming

890
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 4: down Chapel Street.

891
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: Currently you won't be well, I mean, but that's certainly

892
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 3: aged poorly part of her from Kevin's book.

893
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: I think the Queen has been pretty good too. He

894
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: goes on, but I've sort of cut it off.

895
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: So I just came in, Oh, David, Hello, Sorry, I

896
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: just came in for the Queen.

897
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 4: Just the Queen, saiduen.

898
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 3: He was talking about how much he liked the Queen,

899
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: so is.

900
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: He Yeah, he really likes the That's how it started.

901
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: That was a bit more than like that. Sounds like

902
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: she's got.

903
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: Style and she's a real class She's a real classy lady.

904
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: So Kevin's not that.

905
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: Old for sure.

906
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: The queen.

907
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: When was the queen? Nineteen twenty six, so she was

908
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: sixty nine. Nice Ken, you can't do that.

909
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: Was born nineteen forty seven, so he was seventy seven.

910
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: Fukner's done it quick Google.

911
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 4: So he was twenty twenty years younger.

912
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: And she was I've seen that's Ashton Kutcher.

913
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: Sort of thank you, Kevin, but I reckon that's the

914
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: first time he's ever been compared to Ashton Kutcher.

915
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: What sort of political views does Ashton?

916
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 4: He loves pranking people and punking them, as it were.

917
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Yes, very good to you today, David, just stilling some

918
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: bits and pieces in the office there cocka yeah, we

919
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: got it's an embargo, James sicily interview where we're doing now?

920
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 4: The embargo was midday, so oh, there you go.

921
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: It's no longer in bargo, correct, And then we've with us.

922
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: Do we do Grimes? I think spoke of Grand Mars

923
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: that club's going.

924
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Well, is you long going to win on Friday Night?

925
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I will.

926
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: The wintaid a lot of comment.

927
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: We do some problematic things and no one will really

928
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: care about it, apparently.

929
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: Because please already I've already discover already they've taken them

930
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: to task.

931
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: What is what was the general bad bad? Yeah, it's strange.

932
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 3: It's like it's in like an alternate reality. This stuff

933
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: just doesn't really.

934
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 4: Like stuff sort of gets out and like you sort

935
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: of see a story about it, but like not it's

936
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: the whole thing.

937
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: What's been the best part of the podcast today?

938
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: You're obviously some footy analysis day.

939
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 4: So what happens now that you're not on the podcast

940
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: every week because we talk about football, so that's why

941
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 4: you're not caring for this. But is your podcast gotten

942
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: any well?

943
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: Speaking of Ashton, of course Ash Williams, they get a kick.

944
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: Have you gotten any more media mentions that don't actually

945
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: mention you or the podcast? In the last week there.

946
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: Was an incident with Dave Hughes.

947
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: Can you please explain what happened there?

948
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: Brief he breaks his ribs in yeshuse he broke his

949
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: ribs and was very unwell. He then appeared on our

950
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: podcast maybe a couple of weeks later and said that

951
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: he had not received a message or any check in

952
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: from Daniel Orange, former Australian Reels footballer who now is

953
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: quite heavily into the social media part of the world.

954
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: If he could tell me who he is a few

955
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 4: more Yes, he's.

956
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: Good there And basically Dan had had a screenshot of

957
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: text messages, not only sending them, but having a reply

958
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: from David, which didn't look great for Dave. Now Hughes,

959
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: I think he was quite his phone did blow up

960
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: literally but metaphorically, and he he was on the he

961
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: would have been quite heavy sort of drugs. I would

962
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: imagine some of that pain. He's forgotten that Dan sent

963
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: him a message among the but I just would have

964
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: checked before I come on the you know, and said.

965
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: Anyways, Well, I mean when you're on little podcast that

966
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 4: no one listens to, you know, you sort of just

967
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: say whatever you want.

968
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 3: Well, you say that. But we made two headlines this year.

969
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: Well that was when I got a story wrong and

970
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: the other one was when hughsually got a story wrong,

971
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: so to David's getting stories wrong and Get a Kick

972
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: is the place if you want inaccurate information. The Get

973
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: a Kick a f L podcast is where you go, No,

974
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: but you, but you you weren't wrong though, because he's resigned.

975
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: But we're not going to we're not going to litigate

976
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: that particular.

977
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: I don't know I've seen creddits Footy Journalist Rankings.

978
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: If I don't win the a FMS the Best.

979
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 4: Report, I'll be upset most.

980
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: Most inaccurate reporting that was eventually correct. Yes, that should

981
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 3: be well, we've got lots of categories, so.

982
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: Anyway to be very exciting.

983
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 5: Is that similar to the last year, David, when you

984
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: were quite unlucky to lose Best Innovation in the Innovations

985
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 5: and you lost to a computer?

986
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: Can I say something because the the submission I made

987
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 3: to the a f M as then cheered I believe

988
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: by Damian Barrett. I know you can, because you're going

989
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: to submit.

990
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 4: But the company companies submit on behalf of their own employees.

991
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: That very doesn't happen here. So I submitted on behalf

992
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 3: of me.

993
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: And why we don't win?

994
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: Ben word for the future pay person that is one

995
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: of the great rats. I'm sorry to be fair.

996
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: I think people pay a lot for like Oscar nominations

997
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: and like their campaign.

998
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's equate us with something of that significant.

999
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: We're more like the Emmys.

1000
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you nominate yourself for last year?

1001
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: It was Best Innovation? Right, So because there was this

1002
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: new there was this new category that was custom made

1003
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is this is screenmaker, this is this

1004
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: is made for Z.

1005
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: So I was it was worst Twitter account.

1006
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: Yes, So basically I put in a submission about the

1007
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: Tributal Company. It's obviously quite unique, but in the submission

1008
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: was very much tangue in cheek. I think I've got

1009
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: it somewhere still. I said, like, you know, if you don't,

1010
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: if you don't know, if you don't give me this awarder,

1011
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: I will conduct a smear campaign against your little organization.

1012
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: It was very it was and it obviously wasn't received

1013
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 3: overly well. I wouldn't have thought by it well because

1014
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: you didn't win. Well, yes, So so I just thought,

1015
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: it's such a no one's going to nominate for this category.

1016
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: It's so niche, and no one that niche is my

1017
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: this is my wheelhouse, little things that no one really

1018
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: cares about enough to want to try and compete with me.

1019
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: And you're seeing, You're like, yeah, God's the.

1020
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: God true tribunal. And so I got there and I

1021
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: was basically about to get out of get up out

1022
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: of the chair to accept the award for Best Innovation

1023
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: because I thought it's is chilling and the best Innovation

1024
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: award goes to sn stadium. Yeah, it's not even a person.

1025
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a it's a it's an interface.

1026
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 4: It's the ability to have less latency when listening towards you.

1027
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: It's a great thing, right, But I just as best

1028
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: innovation was like for a human, not like I.

1029
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 4: Mean, I mean a human. A human did it.

1030
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: It was a literal David versus Goliath battle.

1031
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: Ah, Yes, we're not literal because Goliath was not. I mean,

1032
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: stadium is quite a large. Stadiums are large. Stadiums are large.

1033
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: I agree with that.

1034
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: If you're going to do it in sem palance, you'd say,

1035
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: David Versli for toyo ties.

1036
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: Hang and now we'll clip up this part of the

1037
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 4: podcast and publish it, and we'll clip up the next

1038
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: ten seconds.

1039
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: Let's put each around for different podcasts. Thank you very much. Anyway,

1040
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: So that was it. So I am not I'm not

1041
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: going tonight, but it's not going.

1042
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: Why aren't you going?

1043
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: I see being on the road now like on AFL

1044
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: tonight you got to I see these people.

1045
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 4: All the time, so you hate them?

1046
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: No, not at all. But I'd rather go see my

1047
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: actual family and people I haven't seen for Tony and Margaret.

1048
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: It's very nice.

1049
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: I see them often, William and matt Then Matthew's in

1050
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: Serbia looking for Novak and William is it was a

1051
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: bit of drum on the weekend.

1052
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 5: We working.

1053
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 3: Oh Margaret, it's not happy.

1054
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 5: Oh no, thank you, David.

1055
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: Not not a ladies home.

1056
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: Oh no, all the very best to you and your family.

1057
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: Yes.

1058
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: Really, he's walking out in his hooker sneakers with his

1059
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: blazer and chinos.

1060
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if there'll be a full shot.

1061
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if there'll be a full shot piece

1062
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: of camera on that with the including the shoes.

1063
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: Well, Zita has anything to say about it.

1064
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: Yes, now that is that was an interesting seven minutes

1065
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 2: of audio consumption, and.

1066
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 4: All of that was in Kevin Cheedy's book. Yet I

1067
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: don't know if you realize that.

1068
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: Yes, tips and Cups. We've got two preliminary finals coming

1069
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: up Friday night between Geelong and Hawthorne. The David Lots

1070
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: Cup up for grabs. The this is the this is

1071
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: the rivalry of the past three decades.

1072
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: Yep.

1073
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, even dating back to you know, the late eighties.

1074
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: Eighty nine Grand Finals still considered one of the greatest

1075
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: of all time, Kennett curse. The eight Grand Final as

1076
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: a Gelong supporter is still the most haunting day of

1077
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: my entire life.

1078
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: Horrendous vers the.

1079
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen preliminary final. There's been some cracking Easter Monday

1080
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: games in recent times as well.

1081
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 4: It is win that one in twenty two when the

1082
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: Cats won the flag as well.

1083
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: I want to say, yes, was that Smith after the siren? No,

1084
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: that was the qualifying final.

1085
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: That was, yes, when he was a sleeper agent two sixteen.

1086
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: We were talking about Hawthorne straight sets before. I think

1087
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: that was two thousand and six straight locked.

1088
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: A lot of the Dogs the next week. Yeah, it's

1089
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: quite the rivalry. And so the potentiality of as a

1090
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 4: Geelong fan having a prelim against Hawthorne and then oh good,

1091
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: the bliss of a Grand final against Collingwood. It's like

1092
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: a personally designed finals fixture to destroy me. So thanks

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00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: for that.

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00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't yeah, I don't think Hawthorne and Collingwood

1095
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: have ever. Have they ever played in a Grand Final?

1096
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound I don't think they have.

1097
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 5: I don't think they have.

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00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 4: I will look it up.

1099
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 5: Someone tweeted about it yesterday there's three combinations out of

1100
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 5: these four teams that haven't occurred in a Grand Final.

1101
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: Before Gelon Collingwood certainly has no Hawthorne have played West

1102
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: Coast Sydney Freeman or Sydney Geelong Westkirt. I'm living back

1103
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: around a lot of Grand Finals. I haven't played Collingwood

1104
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 4: and I don't think that will be the matchup. But

1105
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 4: I'm tipping Hawthorne. I'm tipping Hawthorne because A I tipped

1106
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: Hawthorne Brisbane is the Grand final matchup at the start

1107
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 4: of the final series, so let's be intellectually consistent. And

1108
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: B because I can't possibly tip Geelong and tempt Kamer

1109
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 4: in that way, right.

1110
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so Hawthorne some kind of foot guys. Is there

1111
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 2: a logical explanation around who might win on their's wrong?

1112
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: I told you tipping in the finals is not about logic.

1113
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: It's about the best story. Hawthorne making the Grand Final

1114
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: is the better story.

1115
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on who you ask. They're sick of Hawthorne,

1116
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: but a lot of other people say they're good.

1117
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: Joel, they're neutrals. Have neutrals have no one to cheer for?

1118
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 4: I think neutrals are cheering for Brisbane who won the flag.

1119
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Last I think Brisbane are very well respected from correct

1120
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: by having gone about. I think Chris Fagan is a

1121
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: very popular figure who wins out John and Hawthorne there William.

1122
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 5: I think the fourteen day break Ben Jarmon for Geelong

1123
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 5: will do them favors. But I mean I don't know

1124
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 5: Hawthorne on this rise at the moment, like just riding

1125
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 5: their momentum as they have done before. I mean they're

1126
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 5: one point away from it last year in the semi

1127
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: final against put Adelaide. So Geelong, but I just hope

1128
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 5: it's a cracking game. I think neutrals now that I'm

1129
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 5: officially neutral now just want close games and I think

1130
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 5: this one will be won.

1131
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: It hasn't been a great finals like we've There have

1132
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: been no lead changes like from a team that was

1133
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: ahead at quarter time half some with three quarter time

1134
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: losing because gold Coaster was ahead at all the breaks.

1135
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 4: That was a good game. Hawthorne was ahead against it.

1136
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 2: We have a very good game those two Saturday elimination finals,

1137
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: the clearest Senate.

1138
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: Matches, yes, but in terms of actual comebacks being completed,

1139
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: we haven't seen any which it's interesting.

1140
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: So do you one, sorry, how close we're going to

1141
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 5: get to one hundred thousand the mcg Oh.

1142
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: You'll get pretty close. I think ninety seven ninety There

1143
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: was ninety eight, I want to say for Geelong Collingwood,

1144
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: oh seven, and.

1145
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: There was like ninety seven for the Dogs Hawks last year.

1146
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll be getting ninety.

1147
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1148
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: Huge Collingand and Brisbane. You wouldn't be surprised if Collingwood

1149
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: Brisbane gets similar numbers. Well. Patrick Carnese's Cup Up for

1150
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: grabscores the great tw twenty ten Draft d SO rematch

1151
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 2: of the Grand Final of last year, but only one

1152
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: are from twenty twenty three, but only one is going through.

1153
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 4: Same reason to being Brisbane for consistency. Although I do

1154
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: genuinely think that I don't care too much about the

1155
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: past matchups because we saw last year.

1156
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: Would you like to see Collingwood lose? What? Of course? Yeah?

1157
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean every day of the rest of my life. Yes,

1158
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: I say that, Ben, No, I think I think that

1159
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: either way we're getting a good Grand Final. That's the

1160
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: most important thing. I'm interested in whatever matchup we get,

1161
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: and I think either of these teams will be the

1162
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 4: underdog in the Grand Final against whoever wins, because if

1163
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: Along wins, they will be the favorite, having sort of

1164
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: cruised their way in, and if Hawthorne wins, they're the

1165
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: team of destiny. So either way they'll have a tough task,

1166
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: but it will be winnable.

1167
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 5: Tougher pick this one for me. I think it's still Collingwood, which.

1168
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: Is remarkable considering the way Collingwood approach the finals. Yeah,

1169
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: that's that performance against Adelaide which was so are driven

1170
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: by their incredible defensive pressure. And if you apply incredible

1171
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: defensive pressure, you can get the game on your terms,

1172
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: and that's what Collingwood did best. Adelaide totally shell shocked.

1173
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: We know that if Collingwood brings the pressure, Brisbane can't

1174
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: get their sharp kick mark uncontested game going. But we

1175
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: saw Brisbane get it going against Gold Coast, who brought

1176
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: great pressure against Fremantle and they just slice into ribbons.

1177
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: And we saw Brisbane did last year Againtidney and Sidney

1178
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: didn't bring the pressure.

1179
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: We believe it's going to be wet for both games.

1180
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: It's going to be both both both games going to

1181
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: be presure, so that helps Collingwood.

1182
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: I think it helps Collingwood because Brisbane can't play their

1183
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 4: control games easily. Hawthorne along, it's more neutral. Gelong wants

1184
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 4: to play fast anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

1185
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 5: Speaking of pressure, Bobby Hill, would you pick him?

1186
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think you want a guy who

1187
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 4: by definition is going to be a limited sub in

1188
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: a prelim because you have to hope for the best

1189
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 4: case scenario of your bringing him on when you want

1190
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 4: in the third quarter.

1191
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: Someone said in the office today that wouldn't you just

1192
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: want if you're a Brisbane defender, would you not want

1193
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: to be coming up against Would you want to be

1194
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: coming up against Bobby Hill this weekend considering what he

1195
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: did you know, a couple of years ago, and any

1196
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: potential But the problem is, though, I don't think he's

1197
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: got that potential in him because he hasn't had the

1198
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: consistency of footy.

1199
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 4: As you've mentioned, the theoretical Bobby Hill, you don't want

1200
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: to play against. Yeah, And this is often a thing

1201
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: that comes up in one of watching NFL games, like

1202
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: teams are deciding whether whether they should punt or go

1203
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: for a thank you John Madden. Yes, what you want

1204
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: to do is what the other team doesn't want you

1205
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: to do If the other team is scared of something,

1206
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 4: you should do that. And that's probably a good method

1207
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: to have when you're making any sort of coaching choice

1208
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: going forward. So for that reason, I would understand that.

1209
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think, as you've said, Bobby Hill has

1210
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: just not had the consistency of training. If in mind

1211
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: of playing four games of footy to be trusted in

1212
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 4: a prelim.

1213
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 5: And that would completely ruin him out of the Grand Final,

1214
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 5: then you would say, so, I feel like you if

1215
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 5: you're not picking him this week, you can't pick him that.

1216
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair statement.

1217
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 4: But How's Jerman? How is probably gonna play?

1218
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: Ye?

1219
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: He's on the AFL three sixty on Tuesday night and

1220
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: he will be able to tell you directly, Yes, this

1221
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: may be out of date, Yes it could be out

1222
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 2: of date, but we'll get this up nice and early

1223
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: for you. Of course, that is the end of the

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 2: Fox Footy Podcast. Good luck if your team's are playing

1225
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: this weekend, but a lot of the Neutrools will be

1226
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: hoping for a close game. I hope that brings you joy.

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