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Speaker 1: Hawthorne tests the limits in a bid to free captain

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Speaker 1: Johan Newcombe for opening rounds.

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Speaker 2: Geelong gathered the troops says availability becomes clear for the

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Speaker 2: trip to the Gold Coast. Captain Patrick Dangerfield joins.

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Speaker 1: Us, and new Brisbane leader Josh Dunkley takes his place

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Speaker 1: in the three sixty family as the Lions set themselves

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Speaker 1: for a crack at the three beats.

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Speaker 2: I see alas day. Can you help me on on

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Speaker 2: three sixties? And are you aware of that conversation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't live under her rock.

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Speaker 2: The reality is now that the gloves are off course

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Speaker 2: fair and love more at night. Job is pretty clear,

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Speaker 2: like Hawthorne when let me very good at Hide and Seek?

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Speaker 2: Me sure I think that Colo follow buco. I can't

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Speaker 2: have that. I what do you want us to play?

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Speaker 1: Worse?

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Speaker 2: When you caught my eye and.

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Speaker 1: Mustang alright, it's just the Crakes.

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Speaker 2: Prize that first look at it, she said, there's a

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Speaker 2: dent in that car. Looking sure enough, there is.

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Speaker 1: Two nights to go. Gary Lyne, did you have a

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Speaker 1: beer with Ray Chamberlain in the off season to sort

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Speaker 2: Do you think I did, Jared, No, I did not,

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Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to seeing the champ when he

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Speaker 1: I'm sure all right, hostilities are about to be renewed

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Speaker 1: on a few fronts. Sydney is the center of all attention.

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Speaker 1: Let's just take a glimpse through the rectangle window here

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Speaker 1: at the SCG, Charlie Kurno was commanding the sort of

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Speaker 1: This is a hand picked opening nights to really feel

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Speaker 2: I know. And then all the narrative around it was

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Speaker 2: that he wanted to go down to Geelong and get

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Speaker 2: there's nowhere to hide Thursday night SCG with your old

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Speaker 2: bit despised to it all. I'm not sure that Haywood

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Speaker 2: be enjoying the prospect to take it on their own teammates.

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Speaker 2: But how personal should it be? I should be personal,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, But I just went through that Geelong team.

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Speaker 2: There's no Reece Jones, there's no Jimmy Buckley, there's no

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Speaker 2: Valperevic in there. I'll give you the tip right now.

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Speaker 2: The best I can come up with was the captain

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Speaker 2: Patrick Cripps, and he will instead of standard, There's no

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Speaker 2: doubt about it. But they know him well, they know

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Speaker 2: what buttons to pull. It might be verbal rather than

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Speaker 2: physical job, but I'd be disappointed if they aren't in

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Speaker 1: There has to be a mind.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see cuddles. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: I sit out in front of the TV and watch that,

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Speaker 2: I'll be if I was a Carton fan, I'd be

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Speaker 2: bitterly disappointed with that. I want to see some attitude

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Speaker 1: All right, So Sydney training tonight. Carlton went through their

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Speaker 1: final warm up this morning and a couple of the youngsters,

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Speaker 1: as Micah Boss had to tell them before he told

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Speaker 1: us last night Jaggers Smith and Harry Dean are going

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Speaker 1: to make their taboo and Jacob Weedering evidently got through

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Speaker 2: Yes, everything the Carlton fans want to see. When you're

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Speaker 2: turning over, Charlie, heern you need to see the next

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Speaker 2: big thing come through. And Jack Smith might be that

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Speaker 2: possession game. And this kid here might quietly become just

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Speaker 2: as important as the games we're on. We know I

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Speaker 1: That's opening round as it shapes up, and the first

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Speaker 1: fair is Sydney and Carlton. Tonight's a couple of captains.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Dangerfield preparing for the fresh season. Is you spend

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Speaker 2: Where it sits. He's got a lot of inspirational Paddy

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Speaker 1: And then after us it's sort of the last plank

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Speaker 1: of premiership glory is the Fox doco, the Fox Footy doco,

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Speaker 1: so it goes to where it will tell you the

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Speaker 1: run towards the Fire. So there's much to revel in

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Speaker 2: The very quickly. Have they got three in them?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 1: Whether it's three in a row or three over four,

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Speaker 1: Tonight's major footy years revolves around the tribe the first

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Speaker 1: time of asking. Hawthorne is desperate to have its captain

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Speaker 1: Jian nucom against the Giants on Saturday in the twilight

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Speaker 1: it's a dangerous tackle suspension that was handed down and

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Speaker 1: get your each Way tickets ready for the verdict. That's

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Speaker 1: come down for the fourth straight year.

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Speaker 2: Gays.

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Speaker 1: David's ere is going to sit through every minute every tribe.

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Speaker 2: He loves it. Jared, you don't want to be anywhere

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Speaker 2: else right now. What's some stage you have to be

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you it's pretty alarming that I'm approaching thirty.

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Speaker 1: But that's where last night, right what happened tonight, Well.

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Speaker 4: The AFL tribunal In good news for the Hawks Johane

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Speaker 4: Newcomb's ban. It hasn't been thrown out. It's been downgraded

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Speaker 4: this was relatively straightforward case, you would think.

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Speaker 2: The Hawks came into this.

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Speaker 4: Arguing, like so many clubs have, that this isn't careless,

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Speaker 4: low impact. Now, interestingly, this was the second argument, the

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Speaker 4: impact argument that gets up. We don't see that it

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Speaker 4: the argument that did hold sway with them was about impact. Now,

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Speaker 4: the tribunal came back after it must be said, because

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Speaker 4: Just over an hour it took, and they came back

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Speaker 4: and found that it is a dangerous tackle, but it

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Speaker 4: is low impact. There was no injury and absolutely no

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Speaker 4: according to the tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson, and the majority

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Speaker 1: Pay you to play. It's a big result for the Hawks.

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Speaker 1: It's just a couple of the elements here, gaz is.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't have had a finding that Ed Richards needed

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Speaker 2: I've arrived for them. The perfect result is And when

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Speaker 2: the alternative was just not palatable at all. Put the

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Speaker 2: that's a result. So yeah, like it or not, they've

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Speaker 1: The murky territory for the duration of the year now

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Speaker 1: is when to apply the potential to cause injury or not.

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Speaker 1: So this is literally low, so look at it and

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Speaker 1: this could have resulted in concussion or a heavy knock

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Speaker 1: Of course, this is low impact and in this case

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Speaker 1: they haven't used the potential to cause injury.

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Speaker 2: Where do they use it and where do they not?

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Speaker 2: I would argue, without wanting to make this it a

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Speaker 2: and it can't go to the next level. And then's

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Speaker 2: the head hits the ground. That's where it's Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's only a reportable offense if the head hits

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Speaker 1: the ground.

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yep?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's right? Yes, it is, So you

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Speaker 2: Sam Darren suspended because he's off and he's free to play,

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Speaker 2: if you want to throw potential to cause injury, then

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Speaker 2: Sam Durham was much more had much greater potential to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just has to be a reportable offense at

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Speaker 1: the outset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: So we enter our year of tribunal debate.

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Speaker 2: We're off and race.

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Speaker 1: The story of the off season revolves around a Jewel

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Speaker 1: Brownlow medallist and Premiership captain Locke Neil. It was a

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Speaker 3: Good morning, and thank you for coming today. I'll read

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Speaker 3: the following statement regarding my personal situation. I understand interest

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Speaker 3: in my personal life, but these are personal matters and

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Speaker 3: I won't be answering any questions on that topic today.

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Speaker 3: I can't confirm, though, that with regret, Jewels and I

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Speaker 3: have now separated. Well, I won't go into specifics. I

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Speaker 3: I apologize my actions which have hurt those closest to me.

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Speaker 3: I've made the decision to stand down as co captain

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Speaker 1: The private circumstances are none of our business. The football

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Speaker 1: implications are very much debated right across and sort of

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Speaker 1: How do these matters reverberate through a football club.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, we don't. It's hard for us to know.

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is it will affect some players

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Speaker 2: standard that we expect. He's already demonstrated his capacity to

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Speaker 2: is different. Obviously this is a personal nature. But the

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Speaker 2: the older players I would imagine that have partners and

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Speaker 2: table and right, let's deal with this. And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: the older bukes I would imagine if it's a good

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Speaker 2: I think this is a footy club that will handle it.

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Speaker 1: It was immediately necessary to stand down as captain, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, and because of well lots of things. His

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Speaker 2: You know, that's one question that we don't have the

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Speaker 2: So that was a great decision. But you know we'll

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Speaker 1: Chris Fagan was toned perfect when he spoke for the

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Speaker 1: end of this season.

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Speaker 2: He's committed for this season, he's got a.

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Speaker 1: Choice to make on where he needs to be geographically.

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Speaker 1: The football will fit in around that, and he he

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Speaker 1: whatever LOCKI wants, we will facilitate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he also alluded to the fact that you

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Speaker 2: But for most I would imagine then getting back to

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Speaker 2: that can handle that. And I think this footy club

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Speaker 2: and that's all we care.

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Speaker 1: And the evolutions to the captaincy. When Josh Duncley stood

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Speaker 1: with humor Cluggage and joined the incumbent Harris Andrews, it

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Speaker 1: looked very natural. It looked like a very natural evolution

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Speaker 1: in time for this team, so we'll pick that up

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Speaker 1: of our three sixty set up for a while. Drives

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Speaker 1: a new forwards running GVP champion he does.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Josh deserves it.

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Speaker 1: He's spent a couple of Grand Final weeks with US.

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