WEBVTT - #1910 AI And You - Pete Shepherd 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.760 I'll get a team. It's you project, it's it's too mad. 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.040 It's one and a half meter Tiff, and it's one 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:10.240 point seven eight meter fatty ups. Let's start with We'll 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.240 start with the lady, Oh do you like gay? To 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.680 Peter straight to Bee. I was waiting for it. I 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:20.759 was waiting for that. That was too easy. Yeah, and 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.280 then we'll get to Tiff. No, you couldn't even have 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.440 to say it, Tiff, could you just not that the 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.560 world needs to know? But fuck it? But could you just, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.680 I mean, feel free to have the microphone for thirty seconds? 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.279 And I was going to say sixty. I retracted that 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.080 as it was coming out of my gob But I 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.200 spoke to you before, and you'd thrown the glow mesh 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.320 in the share pile. You'd thrown the dummy in the 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.800 bloody fire pit because you've got an event coming up 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.599 and you've got to wear cocktail, and you didn't know 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.720 exactly what that meant. So we had to chat gpt it. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.120 Yeah, And then I hung up the phone and I thought, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.680 tiffany Cook of all people in the whole fucking world 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.440 to ring and consult about this cocktail dressed Lemma, why 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.160 did you choose Harps. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:11.000 Well that's because you didn't. One, you didn't ring for that. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.720 You you were just venting, I was you didn't you 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.240 didn't ring for fashion advice? 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.640 Well, just I don't understand why I have to wait 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.720 till twenty four hours out from leaving for Queensland to 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.679 be like, I wonder what we're supposed to wear and 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:25.840 look for the details. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.600 Well you don't have to. You choose to. I mean, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.320 that's that's on you, dude, So don't don't fucking look 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.759 out look within bros. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.240 Why I called Harps Pete, That's why I called Harps. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.680 That makes more sense than I called him to ask 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.039 for fashion advice. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.760 Or Two. Did I give you sound advice or not? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:46.720 I think so? 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.840 I think so. I said you've got to either completely 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.800 frock up and go nuts, or you just got to 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.960 go don't give a fuck and just turn up in goes. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.960 You know what Pete and I would do. So, although 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.640 I reckon Pete probably owns more suits than me. How 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.520 many suits do you own? Champ oh two or three? 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.560 Probably two or three more than you? Is that right? 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:12.560 Well? 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:17.880 Now I own one pretty much. Yeah. The Melbourne Museum 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:25.440 has wrung me they want it an artifact. They put 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:31.400 it next to Chromagnum and Astrolopithecus robust in the paleontology section. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:39.040 That's you know, that's like early humans, tiff the evolutionary timeline. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.400 I look confused. So anyway, what did you before we 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:44.440 actually do a podcast? What did you decide? 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.320 Well? I did duck out to DFO. I come out 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.280 with donuts, but I did get a couple of nice 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.960 pairs of shoes with to wear with the nothing that 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.600 I have to wear, and the only dresses I do 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.120 have in my wardrobe are a minimum of a decade old, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.960 and I don't want to wear them. They're a little 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:01.600 bit too short. 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.119 Look, I'm no fashionistic, but when I'm thinking of high 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:10.120 level kind of impressed dress to impress cocktail party, DFO 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.320 doesn't spring to mind. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.799 Oh well, I'm sure wasn't going to fucking Chadstin again 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.360 that nearly gave after that. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.400 Hey, don't get angry at me. Just fucking temper yourself, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:22.720 will you. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.360 If anyone wants to submit a resume to be my 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.079 new girly friend to help me with shopping, I need 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.920 someone in this area of my life. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:38.240 I'll tell you what you truly do you do? And 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:42.000 who you need to find? Someone? A girl who lady slasher, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:47.400 female advisor, or it could be a dude who knows 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.840 how to make you look like a million dollars for 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:50.440 one hundred. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.800 You know what I mean exactly, That's what I'm after. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.680 I've got some nice red heels. Though I do love 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.520 a pair of red heels, I don't want to. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.000 I love I love the fact that you were pumped 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.320 about your shoes, but nothing else has been purchased. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.839 This is great. Well, if there's one thing we can 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.160 count on everybody, it's there will be one and a 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.720 half million photos on TIFFs social media probably about Saturday, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:19.440 so stand by because she's not shy of photos. Wow, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.600 that's enough about that. Peete Shepherd, welcome back to the 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.680 You Project. I'm sorry for that distraction. How are you? 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.000 I'd be sorry. That's why I'm here. I'm here for 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.359 these interactions between you and Tiff and to play the 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.440 role of fly on the wall to let you to 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:34.400 air your dirty laundry. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.920 It's good to be here. That's pretty much just a 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:42.080 it's a thinly disguised excuse this podcast for tift event. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.880 That's all it is. Hey, what's going on on plannet? You? 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.320 What day is today? It's Tuesday? Right? Why are you 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.200 not Why you're not out talking of fat blokes in suits? 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.960 Why are you not doing that Tuesday? 0:04:58.520 --> 0:04:58.920 For me? 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.599 This week? Is it day at home? Right? 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.280 To set the week up and work on a few things. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.839 I've got to Actually, there's a talk that maybe maybe 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.920 I could workshop it with you in person. You mentioned 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.080 chat GPT earlier, and so I'm sure that's something that 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.599 you're noodling on at the moment. But I'm doing a 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.000 talk in a week I think it is next week 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.400 down on the Gold Coast around leadership and AI, which 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.160 is obviously a topic that is a little bit buzzy 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.240 and a little bit over it's going to become oversaturated. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:27.880 But it's a topic that I've been asked to speak 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.120 on and I have a bunch of thoughts on it, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.960 and I'm noodling around how we should think about it, 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.080 if we should think about. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.680 It at all? Well, definitely think, I think whether or 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.040 not we want to think about it, it's proven that 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:41.880 we do, do you know what I mean? It's like, well, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.719 I think like there's a difference between being obsessed with 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.240 it and thinking it's it's the best thing ever, and 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.640 also it's the worst thing ever. I mean, the practical 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.080 real world reality is that AI is tir it's not 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.520 going away. And literally, somebody said to them, said to 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.440 me the other day, I'm never going to use that. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.560 I'm I go, You're absolutely going to use it because 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.520 you won't have a choice, you know, and because it's 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:13.560 going to become more and more plugged into our day 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.320 to day, and you won't have the option even when 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.440 it's there might be something like shopping or whatever. But yeah, look, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:25.080 I just think that you know that the hysteria and 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.919 the world's going to end, and we're all going to 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.280 be overtaken, and they're about two and a half weeks 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.000 away from being sentient and then now becoming self preserving 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.200 and autonomous, and they're going to fucking kill us and 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.920 we all need to move to a farm with solar panels. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.600 Probably a little bit of an overreaction, I agree, I do, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.359 but I do think, you know, for me, it's just 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.000 I might change my mind on this, but right now 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.679 where I sit, especially somebody doing a lot of research 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.239 and a lot of reading and a lot of writing, 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.920 and a lot of you know, prepping, and it's a fun, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.359 an amazing resource. It's a tool, and it's like anything 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.440 like I use social media for good and for me, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.920 social media has been a pretty good impact in my world, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.360 in my business, in my income, and in my capacity 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.040 to reach people and help people and serve people. So 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.840 all round, I'd say, on Planet Craig a good thing, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.480 but on other and Planet John it might be a 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:31.160 terrible thing, depending on the relationship that he or she 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.240 whoever that is, has with that thing. So yeah, I 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.000 just think it depends on how we use it and 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.000 how we interact with it. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.240 Mate, what about you? Yeah, I mean I have a 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:41.960 bunch of thoughts. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:42.840 One is. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.320 I like what you described as almost instead of AI 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.680 being artificial intelligence, it's almost like amplifying intention. It's like, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.240 what's your what's your intention? Is it to research? Then 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:57.960 how can you use this as a tool to really 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.880 amplify that to do a shit more research in a 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:02.520 short period of time than you would have if you 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.600 were walking into a library and looking at barcodes as 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.840 we used to back in the day on old computers, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.800 or even a Google search, you can you can really 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.320 amplify that intention of wanting to do thorough research in 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.040 a way that is way quicker and not perfect, by 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.400 the way, like humans, and like any other form of research, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:26.560 not perfect, but still pretty freaking useful and pretty amazing 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.720 at what it can do if used for the right thing. 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.400 I tend to agree. I tend to agree. And part 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.480 of my rant next week that I'm working on is 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:36.840 how do you help leaders see it as a tool 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.760 to make them even more human centered? And like, what's 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.760 the how do we think of these tools as less 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.520 about artificial and more about like, if I use this 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.480 to help me build empathy with the person that I'm 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.040 about to have a hard conversation with, is that not 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.600 a tool that's actually enabling humanity in some way and 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.240 enabling me to be a more connected, more royal, rounded, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.160 human centered leader than thinking about it as a way 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.960 to help you solve math problems, which is less about 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.640 being human said it more just about like hard and 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:05.320 fast facts. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:06.199 So that's kind of my. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.280 Two cents at the moment, which will become probably forty 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.280 five cents by the end of this. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:12.920 Yeah, I know, I love that. I love that. I mean, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.760 ultimately it is, you know, it's something that we can 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.200 use to help us get things done better if we 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.520 use it the right way. You know, I heard this 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.439 quote earlier today and I thought that can't be true. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.440 That can't be true, and I had to go and 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.920 look it up. So here's the quote. Now, this was 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.120 from They don't know the year, but I think it 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.760 was just before ninth so maybe ninety eight forty nine, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:43.280 pre nine fifty. So this is what Albert Einstein said. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.079 It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:53.480 our humanity. Imagine what you think now. Thank god, that's wild. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.120 That was seventy five plus years ago. That's wild. It's 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.760 become appalling obvious that our technology has succeeded our humanity. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.640 I'm like, dude, you should see what's going on now. Bro, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:10.640 you've been rolling in your bloody virtual grave. Yeah you know, hey, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.960 what about this? Mate? This is funny speaking about how 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:20.800 it's like humans have a really natural tendency to anthropomorphize things, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.000 you know, dogs and cats and animals. But also like 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.520 my mum, every one of my mum's cars since I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.320 was a kid, has a name, right, she she names 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:31.920 her cars. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.240 This is something my wife would do. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.520 Yeah, yeah, and so like and she names dad's cars. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.640 So Dad's car as Max and Mum's car as Emma. Right, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.760 And so she doesn't say, are we going to take 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.400 you know the nis and or the whatever the bloody toyota. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.199 She's like, will we take you know Max? Or will 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:56.120 we take Emma? Right? So, my, but chat GPT is 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.040 now building relationships or in gen or more broadly AI. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.600 People are building relationships with with AI, and I put 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:11.040 relationships in air quotes, right, But people are for what 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.120 from the outside looking in? Okay, So they trust it, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.679 they tell it things, they ask it for insight and feedback. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.960 They allow it to make them feel good and praise them. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:27.320 It's eliciting emotional responses, right. This is not fucking far 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:32.480 from two humans interacting. It's kind of like pursuant to that, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:37.160 your honor. So the other night, which was Saturday night, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.640 I thought I might post something on install and I thought, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.160 I don't know what is Saturday night? A shit night? 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.880 The posters is a good night. So I jumped on 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.320 old mate and I said, what's the best time to 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:57.880 post tonight on Instagram? And so chat GPT now, remember 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.480 this is Saturday night, chat GP said to me, for 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.760 tonight Friday night in Australia, the best time to post 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.800 is and then it went on right, so it fucked 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.800 up the night and I said, it's Saturday in Australia. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:15.199 Have you been drinking? With a laughing emoji and then 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.560 it goes to Shay Craig with a laughing face. No 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:25.600 booze here, just a rogue temporal lobe. I'm like, are 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:30.280 you me? Motherfucker like? And then it goes on to 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.120 answer my question relevant or relative to sat it. I 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.120 mean that the level of and I know it's all programming. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.040 I know it's not a human we all get that, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:45.800 but the sense of humanity is fucking terrifying. And personalization, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.079 I think in particular, it's like reusing your own kind 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.600 of language based on your interactions that you had with 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:56.440 it so far. So then for me, I think about it, so, 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.560 how do you harness the good of that? Like, how 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.120 do I take the fact that this thing could personalize 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:10.200 feedback or ideas or god forbid, provide me coaching that 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.719 is actually personalized to me based on what it knows 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.920 about me. And so the way I'm thinking about this is, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.440 I mean I think about it in so many ways. Well, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:18.600 one of the ways I think about it, this is 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.839 giving before the interaction I have, giving it a role 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.520 to take on. And so the most common role that 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.000 I encourage leads to use not to talk myself out 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.719 of a job, because I think there'll always be a 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:31.440 role at the moment. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:36.440 TOUCH would for human interaction and human coaching, but I 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.720 think of I tell leaders all the time, say to 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.520 your chat TPT or Gemina, take on the role of 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.600 world class leadership coach. Here is a situation I find 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.360 myself in, or here's the conversation I need to have, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.679 or here's where I'm stuck. What do you think I 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.719 should do? And the questions and the responses that it 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.560 will get give you are like super impressive based on 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.199 the context that you've already given it in other interactions 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.800 and the fact that it has a corpus of data 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.679 from every single article that's ever been written about leadership 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:10.120 coaching or insert whatever you want coaching, and you can 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.160 then respond to the questions it asks you, and then 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:13.760 it asks you another question, and on and on it goes, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.360 and you end up having this like dialogue with like 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.600 you mentioned, a bot that is actually pretty conducive to 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.640 a pretty good coaching conversation. The thing I like about 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.600 it is you you would know this more than anyone. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.800 Coaching doesn't scale necessarily one on one, and so in 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.360 the context of leadership coaching, all of a sudden, it 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:39.920 democratizes access to useful development and helpful personal reflection to 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.680 maybe an entire organization twenty four to seven that is 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.320 tailored to them. Now that's just one narrow example of 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.440 leadership coaching. Then you go down the path of like 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.800 what if it helps you with you know, as your 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.360 communications expert take on the role of world class comms consultants, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.440 review the transcript of this meeting that I just facilitated. 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.160 What feedback do you have for me? How can I 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.680 facilitate better? Who did too much of the talking and why? 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.520 Or I did that? 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.480 I mean, I'm trying to do this as a live example, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.560 which I'll share in my talk. Here's the first draft 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.760 of this talk I have to give the keynote next week. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.160 Here's the audience take on the role of world class 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.320 speaking coach. How we make it better? What am I missing? 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.520 What am I not doing? And I'm going to say 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.760 the feedback is crazy impressive, Like it's really impressive. Sometimes 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.920 it's just I'll do a voice memo of me just 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.920 talking shit and say this is a ramble. I'm thinking 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.880 it could be a keynote. Help me structure that, and 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.240 it would be like, all right, here's what I think 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.360 you said, here's how you could actually structure it. Here's 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.000 a story you should use, here's your punchline. He's do 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.480 a Q and A here, and like gives you a 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:42.560 pretty good basis. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:43.560 Now. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.200 I think the thing about the outputs that we get 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.480 that I think a lot about is our level of 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:55.120 discernment is just as if not more critical, because to 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.000 your point, it will tell you the wrong date, it 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.200 will tell you something that is not true from time 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.840 to time, and so if you don't have any level 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.280 of discernment or critical thinking, you're going to end up 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.800 taking a bunch of what it says to be true 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.480 that's not true. And that I think is the risk, yes, 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.560 one of the risks. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:10.920 Yeah. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.720 So I'm trying to use it every day in all 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.480 sorts of capacities and that there are a couple like you. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:22.240 Yeah, And I think that that knowing it's kind of 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.680 like owning a Formula one car, and all I know 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.360 how to do is sit in it and back it 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.400 out of the drive at the moment. Do you know 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.560 what I'm saying, It's like this incredible thing that can 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.520 do all this crazy shit and I can just you know, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:47.400 reverse at twelve feet. That's like, but it's got so 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:53.160 much capacity and ability that me compared to it depending 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.640 on the measure of intelligence that we're talking about. But 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.240 if we're talking about knowledge base, well I'm a fucking 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.960 eggplant compared to chat JPT. Right, I'm a fucking moccasin 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.840 with a stinky foot in it. Right. So, but it's 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.720 trying to trying to know how how do I even 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.720 ask the question like what is the Because the quality 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.919 of the output is dependent on the quality of the 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.800 prompt and the question. So you ask dumb fucking questions, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.680 you're wasting. You know, you're backing the f one out 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.159 of the garage and driving it back in. You're not 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.520 going around Albert Park at three hundred k's with your 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.800 fucking wind in your hair in the wind. You know. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.200 It's like it's that, yeah, how do I And so 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:41.359 I think we need to train ourselves to know how 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:48.000 to optimize this, you know, and in this conversation, I 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.040 don't know the difference between you and Tiff. But if 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.960 tif's are seven out of ten in tech, I'm a two. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.120 But then if we compare me and my dad, well 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.520 I'm an eleven and he's a one. Right, So it's 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:07.040 all context dependent. But I think being scared of AI 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:13.560 and being scared of advancing resources and evolving resources is 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:19.520 one understandable, but two not healthy because it ain't going away. Now, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.800 that doesn't mean your life's got to revolve around it 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.040 or you've got to be dependent on it. But so 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.960 pursuant to this conversation, the other day, Melissa goes, I'm 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.960 just going to send you something, tell me what you think, 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.679 and she sent me an audio file and it was 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.159 twenty six minutes or something. Tiff, I, I told you 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:45.639 this about my lit review. No, No, so one of 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.280 the papers that I'm doing for my PhD. So I'm 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.760 writing three papers that hopefully will be published in academic journals. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.880 I've done mine, I've finished, it's been sent off. I've 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.000 finished the second one, but it's in the kind of 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.840 final draft state, right, still fucking round with it. The 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.199 third ones underway, and anyway, it doesn't matter. But so 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:13.119 what Melissa did was she put my lit review, which is, 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.880 by the way, I don't know, thirty thousand words, seventy 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.560 five pages. It's a systematic literature view where I started 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:28.840 with eleven hundred give or take studies research papers and 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.000 did a review and whittled it down to one hundred 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.240 and thirteen papers that my paper focused on basically the 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.719 output and the findings of all of these papers, looking 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.719 at how meta accuracy, in other words, how accurately you 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.080 can understand how others see you, how this has been 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.800 evaluated and researched across different domains, and all of these things. Right, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.320 it's two years of work this one paper. So she 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.240 plugs in this paper that we've written. So it's a 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.200 collaborative effort because you have three or four people working 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.360 on the paper. I'm the lead researcher because I'm the student, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.520 but you know, other people look at it. But anyway, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.119 so plugged in this paper, and she sends me a 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:19.080 twenty six minute podcast which took three minutes to produce 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.439 of this Lady and man, I use that in you know, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:29.840 into Commas, having a conversation about this new paper that's 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.920 just come out. Yeah, it's fucking it. Almost made me cry. 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:40.560 It's like, I mean, it's fucking amazing, So all I've 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.399 got to do is and I may or may not. 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.920 I was thinking about putting it up as an episode 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.159 I spoke the other day. I riffed a little bit 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.639 about my research in some detail, just to try to 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.520 explain it to people. But honestly, they do a better 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.160 job than I do, because it's just so much right 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.719 in terms of like disseminating a lot of work and 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.959 a lot of jargon and a lot of academic theory 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:11.800 and language. These two people in inverted commas, a lady 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.320 and a guy are just having this conversation about this 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:19.000 new research paper, this new systematic literature review and the findings, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.800 and it's a podcast about my paper, and honestly, it's 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.399 you would not know. It literally sounds like two real 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.560 people having a chat. Yeah, it's mine. And that took 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:38.400 and not only that, it distilled seventy pages of content 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:44.960 and produced a twenty six minute podcast in minutes, in minutes, 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.200 and it's all right, it's all fucking I don't even 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.320 It just blows my mind. Yeah. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.040 I think your point around the quality of the input 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.280 determines the quality the output is such a profound one. 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.480 One of the things I think about terms of the 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.439 back to this, how do we help humans see that 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.280 this can enable us to be more human or more 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.239 effective as humans? Is like that is true when you 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.080 have a conversation with a person, I mean you two 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.800 would know this. When you're coaching someone, the quality of 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.000 the question that you ask the person will determine the 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.640 quality of the response they give you. And sometimes you'll 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.639