Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's you project, it's it's too mad.
Speaker 1: It's one and a half meter Tiff, and it's one
Speaker 1: point seven eight meter fatty ups. Let's start with We'll
Speaker 1: start with the lady, Oh do you like gay? To
Speaker 1: Peter straight to Bee. I was waiting for it. I
Speaker 1: was waiting for that. That was too easy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get to Tiff. No, you couldn't even have
Speaker 1: to say it, Tiff, could you just not that the
Speaker 1: world needs to know? But fuck it? But could you just,
Speaker 1: I mean, feel free to have the microphone for thirty seconds?
Speaker 1: And I was going to say sixty. I retracted that
Speaker 1: as it was coming out of my gob But I
Speaker 1: spoke to you before, and you'd thrown the glow mesh
Speaker 1: in the share pile. You'd thrown the dummy in the
Speaker 1: bloody fire pit because you've got an event coming up
Speaker 1: and you've got to wear cocktail, and you didn't know
Speaker 1: exactly what that meant. So we had to chat gpt it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I hung up the phone and I thought,
Speaker 2: tiffany Cook of all people in the whole fucking world
Speaker 2: to ring and consult about this cocktail dressed Lemma, why
Speaker 2: did you choose Harps.
Speaker 1: Well that's because you didn't. One, you didn't ring for that.
Speaker 1: You you were just venting, I was you didn't you
Speaker 1: didn't ring for fashion advice?
Speaker 2: Well, just I don't understand why I have to wait
Speaker 2: till twenty four hours out from leaving for Queensland to
Speaker 2: be like, I wonder what we're supposed to wear and
Speaker 2: look for the details.
Speaker 1: Well you don't have to. You choose to. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's on you, dude, So don't don't fucking look
Speaker 1: out look within bros.
Speaker 2: Why I called Harps Pete, That's why I called Harps.
Speaker 3: That makes more sense than I called him to ask
Speaker 3: for fashion advice.
Speaker 1: Or Two. Did I give you sound advice or not?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: I think so. I said you've got to either completely
Speaker 1: frock up and go nuts, or you just got to
Speaker 1: go don't give a fuck and just turn up in goes.
Speaker 1: You know what Pete and I would do. So, although
Speaker 1: I reckon Pete probably owns more suits than me. How
Speaker 1: many suits do you own? Champ oh two or three?
Speaker 1: Probably two or three more than you? Is that right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Now I own one pretty much. Yeah. The Melbourne Museum
Speaker 1: has wrung me they want it an artifact. They put
Speaker 1: it next to Chromagnum and Astrolopithecus robust in the paleontology section.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's like early humans, tiff the evolutionary timeline.
Speaker 1: I look confused. So anyway, what did you before we
Speaker 1: actually do a podcast? What did you decide?
Speaker 2: Well? I did duck out to DFO. I come out
Speaker 2: with donuts, but I did get a couple of nice
Speaker 2: pairs of shoes with to wear with the nothing that
Speaker 2: I have to wear, and the only dresses I do
Speaker 2: have in my wardrobe are a minimum of a decade old,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to wear them. They're a little
Speaker 2: bit too short.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm no fashionistic, but when I'm thinking of high
Speaker 1: level kind of impressed dress to impress cocktail party, DFO
Speaker 1: doesn't spring to mind.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sure wasn't going to fucking Chadstin again
Speaker 2: that nearly gave after that.
Speaker 1: Hey, don't get angry at me. Just fucking temper yourself,
Speaker 1: will you.
Speaker 2: If anyone wants to submit a resume to be my
Speaker 2: new girly friend to help me with shopping, I need
Speaker 2: someone in this area of my life.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you truly do you do? And
Speaker 1: who you need to find? Someone? A girl who lady slasher,
Speaker 1: female advisor, or it could be a dude who knows
Speaker 1: how to make you look like a million dollars for
Speaker 1: one hundred.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean exactly, That's what I'm after.
Speaker 2: I've got some nice red heels. Though I do love
Speaker 2: a pair of red heels, I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I love I love the fact that you were pumped
Speaker 3: about your shoes, but nothing else has been purchased.
Speaker 1: This is great. Well, if there's one thing we can
Speaker 1: count on everybody, it's there will be one and a
Speaker 1: half million photos on TIFFs social media probably about Saturday,
Speaker 1: so stand by because she's not shy of photos. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's enough about that. Peete Shepherd, welcome back to the
Speaker 1: You Project. I'm sorry for that distraction. How are you?
Speaker 3: I'd be sorry. That's why I'm here. I'm here for
Speaker 3: these interactions between you and Tiff and to play the
Speaker 3: role of fly on the wall to let you to
Speaker 3: air your dirty laundry.
Speaker 1: It's good to be here. That's pretty much just a
Speaker 1: it's a thinly disguised excuse this podcast for tift event.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. Hey, what's going on on plannet? You?
Speaker 1: What day is today? It's Tuesday? Right? Why are you
Speaker 1: not Why you're not out talking of fat blokes in suits?
Speaker 1: Why are you not doing that Tuesday?
Speaker 3: For me?
Speaker 1: This week? Is it day at home? Right?
Speaker 3: To set the week up and work on a few things.
Speaker 3: I've got to Actually, there's a talk that maybe maybe
Speaker 3: I could workshop it with you in person. You mentioned
Speaker 3: chat GPT earlier, and so I'm sure that's something that
Speaker 3: you're noodling on at the moment. But I'm doing a
Speaker 3: talk in a week I think it is next week
Speaker 3: down on the Gold Coast around leadership and AI, which
Speaker 3: is obviously a topic that is a little bit buzzy
Speaker 3: and a little bit over it's going to become oversaturated.
Speaker 3: But it's a topic that I've been asked to speak
Speaker 3: on and I have a bunch of thoughts on it,
Speaker 3: and I'm noodling around how we should think about it,
Speaker 3: if we should think about.
Speaker 1: It at all? Well, definitely think, I think whether or
Speaker 1: not we want to think about it, it's proven that
Speaker 1: we do, do you know what I mean? It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I think like there's a difference between being obsessed with
Speaker 1: it and thinking it's it's the best thing ever, and
Speaker 1: also it's the worst thing ever. I mean, the practical
Speaker 1: real world reality is that AI is tir it's not
Speaker 1: going away. And literally, somebody said to them, said to
Speaker 1: me the other day, I'm never going to use that.
Speaker 1: I'm I go, You're absolutely going to use it because
Speaker 1: you won't have a choice, you know, and because it's
Speaker 1: going to become more and more plugged into our day
Speaker 1: to day, and you won't have the option even when
Speaker 1: it's there might be something like shopping or whatever. But yeah, look,
Speaker 1: I just think that you know that the hysteria and
Speaker 1: the world's going to end, and we're all going to
Speaker 1: be overtaken, and they're about two and a half weeks
Speaker 1: away from being sentient and then now becoming self preserving
Speaker 1: and autonomous, and they're going to fucking kill us and
Speaker 1: we all need to move to a farm with solar panels.
Speaker 1: Probably a little bit of an overreaction, I agree, I do,
Speaker 1: but I do think, you know, for me, it's just
Speaker 1: I might change my mind on this, but right now
Speaker 1: where I sit, especially somebody doing a lot of research
Speaker 1: and a lot of reading and a lot of writing,
Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, prepping, and it's a fun,
Speaker 1: an amazing resource. It's a tool, and it's like anything
Speaker 1: like I use social media for good and for me,
Speaker 1: social media has been a pretty good impact in my world,
Speaker 1: in my business, in my income, and in my capacity
Speaker 1: to reach people and help people and serve people. So
Speaker 1: all round, I'd say, on Planet Craig a good thing,
Speaker 1: but on other and Planet John it might be a
Speaker 1: terrible thing, depending on the relationship that he or she
Speaker 1: whoever that is, has with that thing. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think it depends on how we use it and
Speaker 1: how we interact with it.
Speaker 3: Mate, what about you? Yeah, I mean I have a
Speaker 3: bunch of thoughts.
Speaker 1: One is.
Speaker 3: I like what you described as almost instead of AI
Speaker 3: being artificial intelligence, it's almost like amplifying intention. It's like,
Speaker 3: what's your what's your intention? Is it to research? Then
Speaker 3: how can you use this as a tool to really
Speaker 3: amplify that to do a shit more research in a
Speaker 3: short period of time than you would have if you
Speaker 3: were walking into a library and looking at barcodes as
Speaker 3: we used to back in the day on old computers,
Speaker 3: or even a Google search, you can you can really
Speaker 3: amplify that intention of wanting to do thorough research in
Speaker 3: a way that is way quicker and not perfect, by
Speaker 3: the way, like humans, and like any other form of research,
Speaker 3: not perfect, but still pretty freaking useful and pretty amazing
Speaker 3: at what it can do if used for the right thing.
Speaker 3: I tend to agree. I tend to agree. And part
Speaker 3: of my rant next week that I'm working on is
Speaker 3: how do you help leaders see it as a tool
Speaker 3: to make them even more human centered? And like, what's
Speaker 3: the how do we think of these tools as less
Speaker 3: about artificial and more about like, if I use this
Speaker 3: to help me build empathy with the person that I'm
Speaker 3: about to have a hard conversation with, is that not
Speaker 3: a tool that's actually enabling humanity in some way and
Speaker 3: enabling me to be a more connected, more royal, rounded,
Speaker 3: human centered leader than thinking about it as a way
Speaker 3: to help you solve math problems, which is less about
Speaker 3: being human said it more just about like hard and
Speaker 3: fast facts.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of my.
Speaker 3: Two cents at the moment, which will become probably forty
Speaker 3: five cents by the end of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I love that. I love that. I mean,
Speaker 1: ultimately it is, you know, it's something that we can
Speaker 1: use to help us get things done better if we
Speaker 1: use it the right way. You know, I heard this
Speaker 1: quote earlier today and I thought that can't be true.
Speaker 1: That can't be true, and I had to go and
Speaker 1: look it up. So here's the quote. Now, this was
Speaker 1: from They don't know the year, but I think it
Speaker 1: was just before ninth so maybe ninety eight forty nine,
Speaker 1: pre nine fifty. So this is what Albert Einstein said.
Speaker 1: It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded
Speaker 1: our humanity. Imagine what you think now. Thank god, that's wild.
Speaker 1: That was seventy five plus years ago. That's wild. It's
Speaker 1: become appalling obvious that our technology has succeeded our humanity.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you should see what's going on now. Bro,
Speaker 1: you've been rolling in your bloody virtual grave. Yeah you know, hey,
Speaker 1: what about this? Mate? This is funny speaking about how
Speaker 1: it's like humans have a really natural tendency to anthropomorphize things,
Speaker 1: you know, dogs and cats and animals. But also like
Speaker 1: my mum, every one of my mum's cars since I
Speaker 1: was a kid, has a name, right, she she names
Speaker 1: her cars.
Speaker 3: This is something my wife would do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so like and she names dad's cars.
Speaker 1: So Dad's car as Max and Mum's car as Emma. Right,
Speaker 1: And so she doesn't say, are we going to take
Speaker 1: you know the nis and or the whatever the bloody toyota.
Speaker 1: She's like, will we take you know Max? Or will
Speaker 1: we take Emma? Right? So, my, but chat GPT is
Speaker 1: now building relationships or in gen or more broadly AI.
Speaker 1: People are building relationships with with AI, and I put
Speaker 1: relationships in air quotes, right, But people are for what
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in? Okay, So they trust it,
Speaker 1: they tell it things, they ask it for insight and feedback.
Speaker 1: They allow it to make them feel good and praise them.
Speaker 1: It's eliciting emotional responses, right. This is not fucking far
Speaker 1: from two humans interacting. It's kind of like pursuant to that,
Speaker 1: your honor. So the other night, which was Saturday night,
Speaker 1: I thought I might post something on install and I thought,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is Saturday night? A shit night?
Speaker 1: The posters is a good night. So I jumped on
Speaker 1: old mate and I said, what's the best time to
Speaker 1: post tonight on Instagram? And so chat GPT now, remember
Speaker 1: this is Saturday night, chat GP said to me, for
Speaker 1: tonight Friday night in Australia, the best time to post
Speaker 1: is and then it went on right, so it fucked
Speaker 1: up the night and I said, it's Saturday in Australia.
Speaker 1: Have you been drinking? With a laughing emoji and then
Speaker 1: it goes to Shay Craig with a laughing face. No
Speaker 1: booze here, just a rogue temporal lobe. I'm like, are
Speaker 1: you me? Motherfucker like? And then it goes on to
Speaker 1: answer my question relevant or relative to sat it. I
Speaker 1: mean that the level of and I know it's all programming.
Speaker 1: I know it's not a human we all get that,
Speaker 1: but the sense of humanity is fucking terrifying. And personalization,
Speaker 1: I think in particular, it's like reusing your own kind
Speaker 1: of language based on your interactions that you had with
Speaker 1: it so far. So then for me, I think about it, so,
Speaker 1: how do you harness the good of that? Like, how
Speaker 1: do I take the fact that this thing could personalize
Speaker 1: feedback or ideas or god forbid, provide me coaching that
Speaker 1: is actually personalized to me based on what it knows
Speaker 1: about me. And so the way I'm thinking about this is,
Speaker 1: I mean I think about it in so many ways. Well,
Speaker 1: one of the ways I think about it, this is
Speaker 1: giving before the interaction I have, giving it a role
Speaker 1: to take on. And so the most common role that
Speaker 1: I encourage leads to use not to talk myself out
Speaker 1: of a job, because I think there'll always be a
Speaker 1: role at the moment.
Speaker 3: TOUCH would for human interaction and human coaching, but I
Speaker 3: think of I tell leaders all the time, say to
Speaker 3: your chat TPT or Gemina, take on the role of
Speaker 3: world class leadership coach. Here is a situation I find
Speaker 3: myself in, or here's the conversation I need to have,
Speaker 3: or here's where I'm stuck. What do you think I
Speaker 3: should do? And the questions and the responses that it
Speaker 3: will get give you are like super impressive based on
Speaker 3: the context that you've already given it in other interactions
Speaker 3: and the fact that it has a corpus of data
Speaker 3: from every single article that's ever been written about leadership
Speaker 3: coaching or insert whatever you want coaching, and you can
Speaker 3: then respond to the questions it asks you, and then
Speaker 3: it asks you another question, and on and on it goes,
Speaker 3: and you end up having this like dialogue with like
Speaker 3: you mentioned, a bot that is actually pretty conducive to
Speaker 3: a pretty good coaching conversation. The thing I like about
Speaker 3: it is you you would know this more than anyone.
Speaker 3: Coaching doesn't scale necessarily one on one, and so in
Speaker 3: the context of leadership coaching, all of a sudden, it
Speaker 3: democratizes access to useful development and helpful personal reflection to
Speaker 3: maybe an entire organization twenty four to seven that is
Speaker 3: tailored to them. Now that's just one narrow example of
Speaker 3: leadership coaching. Then you go down the path of like
Speaker 3: what if it helps you with you know, as your
Speaker 3: communications expert take on the role of world class comms consultants,
Speaker 3: review the transcript of this meeting that I just facilitated.
Speaker 3: What feedback do you have for me? How can I
Speaker 3: facilitate better? Who did too much of the talking and why?
Speaker 1: Or I did that?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm trying to do this as a live example,
Speaker 3: which I'll share in my talk. Here's the first draft
Speaker 3: of this talk I have to give the keynote next week.
Speaker 3: Here's the audience take on the role of world class
Speaker 3: speaking coach. How we make it better? What am I missing?
Speaker 3: What am I not doing? And I'm going to say
Speaker 3: the feedback is crazy impressive, Like it's really impressive. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's just I'll do a voice memo of me just
Speaker 3: talking shit and say this is a ramble. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: it could be a keynote. Help me structure that, and
Speaker 3: it would be like, all right, here's what I think
Speaker 3: you said, here's how you could actually structure it. Here's
Speaker 3: a story you should use, here's your punchline. He's do
Speaker 3: a Q and A here, and like gives you a
Speaker 3: pretty good basis.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I think the thing about the outputs that we get
Speaker 3: that I think a lot about is our level of
Speaker 3: discernment is just as if not more critical, because to
Speaker 3: your point, it will tell you the wrong date, it
Speaker 3: will tell you something that is not true from time
Speaker 3: to time, and so if you don't have any level
Speaker 3: of discernment or critical thinking, you're going to end up
Speaker 3: taking a bunch of what it says to be true
Speaker 3: that's not true. And that I think is the risk, yes,
Speaker 3: one of the risks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to use it every day in all
Speaker 3: sorts of capacities and that there are a couple like you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that knowing it's kind of
Speaker 1: like owning a Formula one car, and all I know
Speaker 1: how to do is sit in it and back it
Speaker 1: out of the drive at the moment. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's like this incredible thing that can
Speaker 1: do all this crazy shit and I can just you know,
Speaker 1: reverse at twelve feet. That's like, but it's got so
Speaker 1: much capacity and ability that me compared to it depending
Speaker 1: on the measure of intelligence that we're talking about. But
Speaker 1: if we're talking about knowledge base, well I'm a fucking
Speaker 1: eggplant compared to chat JPT. Right, I'm a fucking moccasin
Speaker 1: with a stinky foot in it. Right. So, but it's
Speaker 1: trying to trying to know how how do I even
Speaker 1: ask the question like what is the Because the quality
Speaker 1: of the output is dependent on the quality of the
Speaker 1: prompt and the question. So you ask dumb fucking questions,
Speaker 1: you're wasting. You know, you're backing the f one out
Speaker 1: of the garage and driving it back in. You're not
Speaker 1: going around Albert Park at three hundred k's with your
Speaker 1: fucking wind in your hair in the wind. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's that, yeah, how do I And so
Speaker 1: I think we need to train ourselves to know how
Speaker 1: to optimize this, you know, and in this conversation, I
Speaker 1: don't know the difference between you and Tiff. But if
Speaker 1: tif's are seven out of ten in tech, I'm a two.
Speaker 1: But then if we compare me and my dad, well
Speaker 1: I'm an eleven and he's a one. Right, So it's
Speaker 1: all context dependent. But I think being scared of AI
Speaker 1: and being scared of advancing resources and evolving resources is
Speaker 1: one understandable, but two not healthy because it ain't going away. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean your life's got to revolve around it
Speaker 1: or you've got to be dependent on it. But so
Speaker 1: pursuant to this conversation, the other day, Melissa goes, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to send you something, tell me what you think,
Speaker 1: and she sent me an audio file and it was
Speaker 1: twenty six minutes or something. Tiff, I, I told you
Speaker 1: this about my lit review. No, No, so one of
Speaker 1: the papers that I'm doing for my PhD. So I'm
Speaker 1: writing three papers that hopefully will be published in academic journals.
Speaker 1: I've done mine, I've finished, it's been sent off. I've
Speaker 1: finished the second one, but it's in the kind of
Speaker 1: final draft state, right, still fucking round with it. The
Speaker 1: third ones underway, and anyway, it doesn't matter. But so
Speaker 1: what Melissa did was she put my lit review, which is,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know, thirty thousand words, seventy
Speaker 1: five pages. It's a systematic literature view where I started
Speaker 1: with eleven hundred give or take studies research papers and
Speaker 1: did a review and whittled it down to one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen papers that my paper focused on basically the
Speaker 1: output and the findings of all of these papers, looking
Speaker 1: at how meta accuracy, in other words, how accurately you
Speaker 1: can understand how others see you, how this has been
Speaker 1: evaluated and researched across different domains, and all of these things. Right,
Speaker 1: it's two years of work this one paper. So she
Speaker 1: plugs in this paper that we've written. So it's a
Speaker 1: collaborative effort because you have three or four people working
Speaker 1: on the paper. I'm the lead researcher because I'm the student,
Speaker 1: but you know, other people look at it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so plugged in this paper, and she sends me a
Speaker 1: twenty six minute podcast which took three minutes to produce
Speaker 1: of this Lady and man, I use that in you know,
Speaker 1: into Commas, having a conversation about this new paper that's
Speaker 1: just come out. Yeah, it's fucking it. Almost made me cry.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, it's fucking amazing, So all I've
Speaker 1: got to do is and I may or may not.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about putting it up as an episode
Speaker 1: I spoke the other day. I riffed a little bit
Speaker 1: about my research in some detail, just to try to
Speaker 1: explain it to people. But honestly, they do a better
Speaker 1: job than I do, because it's just so much right
Speaker 1: in terms of like disseminating a lot of work and
Speaker 1: a lot of jargon and a lot of academic theory
Speaker 1: and language. These two people in inverted commas, a lady
Speaker 1: and a guy are just having this conversation about this
Speaker 1: new research paper, this new systematic literature review and the findings,
Speaker 1: and it's a podcast about my paper, and honestly, it's
Speaker 1: you would not know. It literally sounds like two real
Speaker 1: people having a chat. Yeah, it's mine. And that took
Speaker 1: and not only that, it distilled seventy pages of content
Speaker 1: and produced a twenty six minute podcast in minutes, in minutes,
Speaker 1: and it's all right, it's all fucking I don't even
Speaker 1: It just blows my mind. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think your point around the quality of the input
Speaker 3: determines the quality the output is such a profound one.
Speaker 3: One of the things I think about terms of the
Speaker 3: back to this, how do we help humans see that
Speaker 3: this can enable us to be more human or more
Speaker 3: effective as humans? Is like that is true when you
Speaker 3: have a conversation with a person, I mean you two
Speaker 3: would know this. When you're coaching someone, the quality of
Speaker 3: the question that you ask the person will determine the
Speaker 3: quality of the response they give you. And sometimes you'll
Speaker 3: ask your question and you'll get a response in a
Speaker 3: coaching conversation and you'll be like, huh, that's not quite
Speaker 3: I didn't quite nail that question. Let me try a
Speaker 3: different question, or yes, that's not exactly what I think
Speaker 3: you mean. Tell me more about what you mean by that. Like,
Speaker 3: people who are spending most of their days focused on
Speaker 3: asking great questions of humans, I think are uniquely set
Speaker 3: up to succeed in their interactions with these technologies. And conversely,
Speaker 3: if you want to get better at coaching people or
Speaker 3: asking questions, it's a pretty good way to practice is
Speaker 3: to ask ai for to take on the role of
Speaker 3: like coach client and practice asking questions on it and
Speaker 3: just see what happens. Because you, like you said, the
Speaker 3: quality of your question one center termine the quality of
Speaker 3: your output.
Speaker 1: And let's let's add another layer to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Let's add a metaperception layer to this, because the right
Speaker 1: question for Tiff might be the wrong question for the
Speaker 1: next forty two year old chick, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And the question that will totally make sense to Tiff
Speaker 1: will be psychobabble to someone else. Yeah, so it's not
Speaker 1: not even just the right question, but the right language
Speaker 1: and the right energy for that energy is the wrong word,
Speaker 1: the right language, the right approach for that person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. You know. It's like when someone goes to me,
Speaker 1: how does that make you feel? I want to punch
Speaker 1: him in the face? Wrong question for me? Right for me?
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking now, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: Fuck off?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: By the way, I wouldn't punch anyone in the face.
Speaker 1: Let me say anymore, but I just feel like it,
Speaker 1: you know. But it's like it's even for me. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I roll my eyes. I'm like, oh my god, ask
Speaker 1: me a better question. Please ask me a better question, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And because you want to provide a better output,
Speaker 3: but you kind of can't unless you get the better question.
Speaker 3: So it's I think there's a parallel here too, Like people,
Speaker 3: I feel like in conversations I hear with people talking
Speaker 3: about AI, people are really grappling and understanding with like,
Speaker 3: Oh I get it. The better question I ask, all,
Speaker 3: the more context I give, the better response I get,
Speaker 3: and I feel like going. You know, the same is
Speaker 3: true with humans, Like are you aware that when you
Speaker 3: walk into a meeting and give no context and talk
Speaker 3: at people without asking any questions, of course they don't
Speaker 3: understand what you're talking about because your input is terrible quality.
Speaker 3: Think about the quality of the input. Yeah, And then
Speaker 3: a sidebar. I think this relates to the one of
Speaker 3: the slightly creepy but really awesome prompts I've seen us
Speaker 3: and I've done this myself is when you say something like,
Speaker 3: based on everything you know about me, yeah, give me
Speaker 3: some feedback on what I might be really good at
Speaker 3: and what some of my blind spots might be, or
Speaker 3: you know, to go down one of your rabbit holes
Speaker 3: of like, what would the you experience be of me
Speaker 3: based on all of our interactions? And the response it
Speaker 3: can give you is fucking wild, Like how accurate it
Speaker 3: called me out of my blind spots and I was like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, how did you get that just based on
Speaker 3: our interactions?
Speaker 1: That's kind of creepy. Yeah. Yeah, but again, it's all
Speaker 1: to help you to be more self aware. I think. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a very famous saying that you've heard, everyone's heard,
Speaker 1: I think, but it's by an author who I've quoted
Speaker 1: ten times over the years. Her name's a Naas Nin
Speaker 1: and she said, we don't see things as they are,
Speaker 1: We see things as we are. Right, that's good, which
Speaker 1: speaks to this whole subjective version of my life. It's like,
Speaker 1: there's what's going on, and then there's my version of
Speaker 1: what's going on, and they ain't the same. There's my world,
Speaker 1: and there's Pete's world and tips world, and then there's
Speaker 1: the world. You know, objective, subjective. But the problem is
Speaker 1: that a lot of people think their subjective experience is
Speaker 1: an objective reality. And that's when the shit hits the fan.
Speaker 1: So true, so true. You don't even recognize that you
Speaker 1: have a lens through which you look. Yeah, you just
Speaker 1: think that's the world. That's not the world, dude, No,
Speaker 1: that's your version of the world. Yeah, ergo, you know,
Speaker 1: three of us in the same conversation, none of us
Speaker 1: in the same reality.
Speaker 3: That's pretty Yeah. It reminds me of when you run
Speaker 3: a workshop and you get you know, someone in the
Speaker 3: feedback form afterwards will be like, that was the best
Speaker 3: workshop I've ever been a part of, and then someone
Speaker 3: else who are into the very same session and be like, eh,
Speaker 3: bit of a waste of my time. To be honest,
Speaker 3: we were in the same room talking about the same thing,
Speaker 3: but these two people just have like a totally opposite
Speaker 3: experience of it based on their own reality.
Speaker 1: Correct correct or even you know, like on because I'm
Speaker 1: very sweary and I push the button a bit in
Speaker 1: all the envelope or or at least on Instagram, and
Speaker 1: the same thing that I know if I write you know,
Speaker 1: something with bad words in it, which I did last night,
Speaker 1: I put up a post and it gets a bigger
Speaker 1: than normal response, probably two, three, four, ten x, depending
Speaker 1: on what. But I'll always get an email from someone
Speaker 1: basically saying I thought you were more intelligent than that.
Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed in you. I'm going to unfollow you,
Speaker 1: like I respected you all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. But the disparity between
Speaker 1: someone going oh mate, you're hilarious, that's great, and someone
Speaker 1: else going, you're disgusting. You need to go to some
Speaker 1: mirrors from the same stimulus. And by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that the person who's negative, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: they're right. I'm just saying I'm fascinated by the divergence
Speaker 1: of responses and how both of those people, both of
Speaker 1: those responders think they're right unequiped.
Speaker 3: Right in their own head. They're right in their own head.
Speaker 3: Because no one wakes up in the morning going I'm
Speaker 3: going to behave like an irrational idiot today. I'm just
Speaker 3: going to get offended at everything, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: just walk through the world and piss everyone off. Everyone
Speaker 3: wakes up and wants to believe they're acting rationally with
Speaker 3: thought and that their perception of the world is the
Speaker 3: same as everyone else's. That's fascinating.
Speaker 1: So there's two things I want to ask you. I'm
Speaker 1: going to put on. The first one is so as
Speaker 1: much or as little as you want to divulge, you
Speaker 1: know this is not at all a vulnerability test. What
Speaker 1: what was the feedback from AI that told you you
Speaker 1: need to do better? Like what to go? Hey, look,
Speaker 1: you're good at this, but you suck at that? What
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: The paraphrase was you are constantly seeking more insight and
Speaker 3: examples and clarification for the things that you're interested in
Speaker 3: rather than going to do so. Kind of like stop
Speaker 3: asking me how to make this keynote better and just
Speaker 3: go and do the keynote. That was kind of how
Speaker 3: I interpreted it. And I was like, I mean, firstly,
Speaker 3: good point, chats empty, good point, fair enough, I'll take
Speaker 3: that on the gin. But also also, isn't that why
Speaker 3: you're here? For me to clarify things and ask you
Speaker 3: things and for you to help me make them better.
Speaker 3: So I was a bit like I was actually not annoyed,
Speaker 3: but I was very like.
Speaker 4: You were definitely annoyed because it's true because it's you know,
Speaker 4: like I don't know there would have been an example
Speaker 4: in there of my toddler has a small rash on
Speaker 4: his right knee, Like what should I be doing about that?
Speaker 3: It's like constant seeking validation that I was doing the
Speaker 3: right thing, or being the right dad, or thinking about
Speaker 3: my keynote in the right way. And I think this
Speaker 3: goes to honestly, it goes to something that I'm aware
Speaker 3: of in my self, which is that I have this
Speaker 3: tendency to always be looking for the A because at school,
Speaker 3: I was really freaking good at finding the A, figuring
Speaker 3: out how to get an A, and getting the A. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it served me at school because I got a
Speaker 3: bunch of a's, But it doesn't serve me in many
Speaker 3: ways now because I'm constantly looking for someone to go, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: you got the A, to the point where my my
Speaker 3: chat GPT is like, stop asking me for the A, dude.
Speaker 1: Oh that is so good. That is And isn't it funny?
Speaker 1: How like where we get our sense of self worth
Speaker 1: or self esteem or you know, positive reinforcements or you know,
Speaker 1: for me, because I wasn't you. I wasn't getting the a's.
Speaker 1: For me. It was always about my biceps or how
Speaker 1: well I could do whatever, right, yes, yeah, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: and you just keep going back there. It's like, have
Speaker 1: you seen my veins? Like before we started, you said
Speaker 1: you look fucking skinny, and a little bit of me went, huh.
Speaker 1: I met it as a compliment that I totally and
Speaker 1: I said to you, well, I've spent most of the
Speaker 1: last ten years at eighty five and right now I'm
Speaker 1: at eighty one, so you're actually right, I am. I
Speaker 1: am skinnier, Pete skinny. Yeah, don't tell whole bodybuilders. They
Speaker 1: look skinny, vascular, looking very vascular. It was definitely the winner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, TIFF's got the chief. I did not get the
Speaker 3: A this time around. I did not get the A.
Speaker 1: But it is funny how we do that, and it
Speaker 1: is funny how we carry that that childhood stuff. But
Speaker 1: I want to go just momentarily and then we can
Speaker 1: go wherever you like. Back to the question thing, Like
Speaker 1: we're talking about what's the you know, what's the best
Speaker 1: question for Tiff versus Don versus John versus Brian and Brian.
Speaker 1: But then there's the what's the best question? What's the
Speaker 1: question I should ask myself? Like, what's that's the question
Speaker 1: I should ask me that I'm not asking me? I mean,
Speaker 1: the hard, uncomfortable, the fucking I don't want to ask
Speaker 1: this question because I know the answer. So I'm just
Speaker 1: going to stay up here in my denial and my
Speaker 1: avoidance and my fuck off. I'm too busy. I'll get
Speaker 1: to that later. And now I'm sixty boom. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, what's that question? Why? Why? Do I And
Speaker 1: this I've had this many times with people about lots
Speaker 1: of things, but one that a lot of people will identify,
Speaker 1: so their relationship with food, Like a lot of people
Speaker 1: just do and there's no judgment in this. This is
Speaker 1: just my experience. This is my anecdotal evidence everyone. But
Speaker 1: just the amount of people who simultaneously say to me,
Speaker 1: I want to be fitter and healthier and a bit leaner,
Speaker 1: while on the same day putting shit in their body consciously,
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's I'm not hating on you, I'm not
Speaker 1: judging you, but let's leave into that. As Pete Shepherd
Speaker 1: would say, let's lean into that with some curiosity and
Speaker 1: go tell me about that, because you're not dumb, you're
Speaker 1: you're pretty highly intelligent. And by the way, there's no wagon,
Speaker 1: and you didn't fall off it. There's no wagon to
Speaker 1: fall off, so fuck your metaphors. You made a decision,
Speaker 1: so let's just call it what it is. You didn't
Speaker 1: accidentally eat the cake or do all those things. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I wouldn't care, but you brought it up.
Speaker 1: You came to me and said, I do not look
Speaker 1: like sorry, I do not like how I look or
Speaker 1: how I feel or how my body works, and I
Speaker 1: went cool, I'm an exercise scientist. I can help. And
Speaker 1: then you went, all right, here are my issues. And
Speaker 1: then on the way home you stopped at McDonald's. Let's
Speaker 1: chat about that. You know. So, I think those questions
Speaker 1: that we ask ourselves are the scary ones, but potentially
Speaker 1: the transformational ones. Totally agree.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love that as a prompt not to
Speaker 3: just put everything back into that how do we ask that?
Speaker 3: But be fascinated if I asked it, what's the question
Speaker 3: you think I'm avoiding? I wonder what response I'd get.
Speaker 3: That'd be fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, think right, exactly what's.
Speaker 3: The question I should ask myself?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you wanted to answer. The one
Speaker 3: that came to mind was I guess for me? Off
Speaker 3: the back of what we just said, there's probably a
Speaker 3: question like there's probably a question like how do you
Speaker 3: give yourself an a for me?
Speaker 1: Rather than relying or expecting external validation for the thing
Speaker 1: that you're doing and waiting for it's okay because someone
Speaker 1: else said it was, or it's good enough because someone
Speaker 1: said it was. What does it look like to give
Speaker 1: that to yourself and how do you do that? More
Speaker 1: and more I could see myself having a little spiral
Speaker 1: and a midlife crissis off the back of that question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you a person? I don't know if this is true.
Speaker 1: This is curiosity not assumption. Are you a person that
Speaker 1: you I feel like you really like being like knowing
Speaker 1: what's coming, being in control, being very prepped, cross your
Speaker 1: t's dot your eyes, like leave nothing to chance? Is
Speaker 1: that you not?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 3: But it looks different than I think what most people
Speaker 3: think of when they think that, Like, I'll walk into
Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this before, but I'll
Speaker 3: walk into a workshop or a keynote, for example, with
Speaker 3: a few ideas in my head on what I want
Speaker 3: to talk about, not like here's my script that I'm
Speaker 3: going to recite and replicate. So I want to say no,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm quite comfortable in the ambiguity of
Speaker 3: where's this thing going to go. However, you could argue that, well,
Speaker 3: you know, you're only comfortable doing that because you have
Speaker 3: a pretty good idea of where things are going, and
Speaker 3: you're prepped enough in your skilled facilitation. If you want
Speaker 3: to call it that, that you're confident that you'll go,
Speaker 3: you'll be able to handle whatever gets thrown your way.
Speaker 3: So not to like dodge your question, because I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like I am, but I guess there is
Speaker 3: a preparation there, but it doesn't look and feel like
Speaker 3: what I think of when I think of preparation. If
Speaker 3: that makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1: We're diverging a little bit. No, that makes sense, and
Speaker 1: I think, like with you, for example, we were chatting
Speaker 1: about nothing to do with what we're chatting about now
Speaker 1: before we started recording, and I went, hey, I've got
Speaker 1: a meeting. We should start. Literally twelve seconds later we
Speaker 1: started with nobody even said what are we going to
Speaker 1: talk about? Like we did not We did not share
Speaker 1: one word about what the content of this might be
Speaker 1: or what we might do. But like back to this
Speaker 1: thing of like just turning up to feel free to
Speaker 1: edit any of this or chuck it out if I
Speaker 1: say anything that I shouldn't say. But am I allowed
Speaker 1: to say that you've been doing a course, which is
Speaker 1: part of you know, all you're presenting stuff? Is that okay?
Speaker 1: So so Tiff and I have been chatting about this
Speaker 1: course that she's doing where it's helping her because she's
Speaker 1: now she's in the space, she's speaking to companies and teams,
Speaker 1: and she's doing the thing right. And I think part
Speaker 1: of the challenge for her, for example, is she's going
Speaker 1: into this environment where there's like, well there's a bit
Speaker 1: of a process and there's a model, and it's not
Speaker 1: cookie cutter, but like it's almost like there's a template
Speaker 1: and in this period of time we do this. So
Speaker 1: it's somewhat formulaic, which is not bad because I think
Speaker 1: formulas or formulae more correctly have a place. But then
Speaker 1: at the same time, she's a metaphoric dog with three dicks, right,
Speaker 1: she just goes where she goes, and she's a bit
Speaker 1: freestyle and a bit loosey goosey, and a little bit
Speaker 1: just relies on instinct intuition and with a lot of
Speaker 1: things make stuff up, not as in you know, not
Speaker 1: as in lying. But and I do a lot of
Speaker 1: the same, and I think you do a lot of
Speaker 1: the same. What's the balance between like, when you want
Speaker 1: to get somewhere being strategic or you want to produce
Speaker 1: a good outcome, whether or not that's to be a
Speaker 1: world class speaker or a build a business or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, like how much strategy and structure and how
Speaker 1: much intuition and instinct. I don't know that there's an
Speaker 1: answer to that, but maybe if you could just talk
Speaker 1: about it for.
Speaker 3: Sure if you things come to mind for me. One
Speaker 3: is I guess it depends on what your definition of
Speaker 3: success is. If part of your definition of success is
Speaker 3: to have a packaged up, highly replicable and repeatable keynote
Speaker 3: that you can go on a speaking tour and do
Speaker 3: the same thing and heap of money doing, then maybe
Speaker 3: the templated approach is right for you, because we know
Speaker 3: plenty of people that do do that and us very
Speaker 3: successful of that. Versus if it's too I don't know,
Speaker 3: to create change within a room based on where people
Speaker 3: are at all the challenges they have for you, then
Speaker 3: that will look very different. Like I think back to
Speaker 3: what I ultimately think you to do really well and
Speaker 3: I try and do is meet people where they're at.
Speaker 3: And I think the only way to do that well,
Speaker 3: not the only, but one of the best ways to
Speaker 3: do that is to have permission and flexibility in your
Speaker 3: approach so that you can get a sense of where
Speaker 3: people are at and then go and meet them there.
Speaker 3: If you come in with your pre written script or
Speaker 3: your absolute scripted formula, that you do not deviate from
Speaker 3: what I promise you'll find is there's somewhere sometime there'll
Speaker 3: be an audience that is like, you are completely misreading
Speaker 3: this room and what we need right now.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: I guess it's a philosophy that I think about a
Speaker 3: lot which is within structure their lives freedom. And so
Speaker 3: I think you can give yourself a structure, which is
Speaker 3: often for me time or a loose structure of Okay, well,
Speaker 3: using time, we say we've got two hours, I want
Speaker 3: to do roughly four thirty minute sections. And at the
Speaker 3: end of each of those thirty minutes actions, maybe there'll
Speaker 3: be a breakout or an interaction. Okay, cool, And so
Speaker 3: the ordering of those four might differ. The story I
Speaker 3: tell to articulate. The point of the third one might
Speaker 3: differ depending on what's in the room. So I've given
Speaker 3: myself a structure, and I have some clarity in what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do or what I hope will happen.
Speaker 3: But I guess the freedom is in the how. It's
Speaker 3: the how you get there, and in my experience, the
Speaker 3: best way, the how is to get a sense of
Speaker 3: what again, where the audience is at and try and
Speaker 3: meet them there. Like ultimately we're talking about empathy. What's
Speaker 3: important to this person in the room or these people
Speaker 3: in the room, and how do I help them get
Speaker 3: from where they are right now to where they want
Speaker 3: to go? I think that's I think that's the the
Speaker 3: secret source of what you two do really well.
Speaker 1: Tiff, how does that go with you? How did you like?
Speaker 1: How are you? How are you kind of going with
Speaker 1: this freestyle you spontaneous, organic you and the the you know,
Speaker 1: learning this or being in the part of this kind
Speaker 1: of program.
Speaker 2: I feel like as I as I go through it,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of it is that feel similar to
Speaker 2: how I already structure and do that loose planning and chunking.
Speaker 2: But then there's all of these other processes of getting
Speaker 2: there that we're implementing. And then there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: learning that I'm doing, which is what I wanted was
Speaker 2: what might I learn about the stuff I don't even
Speaker 2: know that I don't know yet? So I love that stuff,
Speaker 2: but I am super frustrated by the way of thinking
Speaker 2: that I'm not used to and the places it takes
Speaker 2: my brain that I don't want to have to go,
Speaker 2: and then I want to throw in the bloody towel
Speaker 2: and tell them all to get stuff and go I'm
Speaker 2: not doing it your way.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it my way.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, well, this is the whole point
Speaker 2: of it was to learn, so just go through the
Speaker 2: process and take what you need. But it's good, it's hard,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating, it's exciting. At times, I get defensive about
Speaker 2: it because I'm like, no.
Speaker 1: I've never done.
Speaker 2: Of course I've done, and I've never had you know,
Speaker 2: I've never had a bad experience, and so I shouldn't
Speaker 2: have to do it this way. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you chose to do this, so shut up and knew
Speaker 2: the course.
Speaker 3: That's such an awesome attitude, by the way of like
Speaker 3: the fact that you're putting yourself in that situation to
Speaker 3: get annoyed when you have every right to keep doing
Speaker 3: what you're doing because it was working. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I find that inspiring to go. I mean, even
Speaker 3: thinking back to my response like yeah, but have you
Speaker 3: ever you know, I don't know, gone to a workshop
Speaker 3: where they teach you the best scripted way to write
Speaker 3: a keynote. No, I haven't because I haven't necessarily thought
Speaker 3: that that's my style. But maybe I'm avoiding learning something
Speaker 3: that I might learn if I did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love being in a room and
Speaker 1: watching speakers that I've never heard speak like good at
Speaker 1: what they do, but I've never I don't know their content,
Speaker 1: I don't know their style. I don't know them, or
Speaker 1: maybe I know of them, but I've never heard them.
Speaker 1: And especially I mean, obviously it's more importantly when they're good.
Speaker 1: Even if somebody ruggles or somebody's not landing, you can
Speaker 1: still learn a lot, right, And just I take away
Speaker 1: stuff from that where I go, oh, that was so good.
Speaker 1: I never even thought of talking about that that way,
Speaker 1: or the way that they have a particular skill at this,
Speaker 1: or just the way that they walk to the edge
Speaker 1: of the stage and stand still and look and don't
Speaker 1: say anything for like ten seconds. It's like she's saying
Speaker 1: nothing and she's saying a million things. How is this possible?
Speaker 1: Is she fucking magic? You know? It's just like there's
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh that you would not think that doing
Speaker 1: nothing can be so powerful. But depending on what's going
Speaker 1: on in the moment, sometimes that nothing is exactly what
Speaker 1: the whole room needs and who would even think of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm back to that up, but back to that
Speaker 3: idea of like, how do you meet the audience where
Speaker 3: they're at the right pause at the right time from
Speaker 3: the right person could be just what they need. I
Speaker 3: also have that experience of you know, you might be going, oh, interesting,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have used a story
Speaker 3: like that or framed something that way, And then you
Speaker 3: like look around and everyone is just on the edge
Speaker 3: of the seat, like loving the way that they told
Speaker 3: that story. I go, Okay, check your bias is Pete,
Speaker 3: maybe you should be telling stories in that way because
Speaker 3: everyone's loving it. So like, what are you missing that
Speaker 3: you're blocking out because of your own preferences?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And I mean this all kind of just
Speaker 1: this talking to an audience that extrapolates like it could
Speaker 1: be an audience of five hundred at Crown, or it
Speaker 1: could be an audience of one at the dinner table, right,
Speaker 1: it could be one person. It's like, how do I
Speaker 1: talk to my kid about this thing versus my other
Speaker 1: kid who's real different to this kid? Well, how do
Speaker 1: I talk to my mom? Like if I want to
Speaker 1: get something across to my mum versus my dad. It's
Speaker 1: like two different species. It's like a cat and a dog.
Speaker 1: It's like they're so different, you know. And the way
Speaker 1: that I need to communicate to my dad to create
Speaker 1: connection yes and ah, I don't know real kind of
Speaker 1: any kind of breakthrough is totally different to my mum,
Speaker 1: and they basically joined at the hip, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think of that as practical empathy.
Speaker 3: And sometimes when I'm working with corporates and you start
Speaker 3: talking about okay, so let's think about how we could
Speaker 3: empathize with the people we're working with or the people
Speaker 3: we're coaching or whatever, you get people that rotherise and go,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, empathy. We've all heard about empathy before. But
Speaker 3: I think if you look at it practically, people inherently
Speaker 3: know that you talk to your mum differently than you
Speaker 3: talk to your dad, or you talk to your toddler
Speaker 3: Pete far differently than you talk to your wife. And
Speaker 3: the reason we know that is because we have enough
Speaker 3: empathy to go, oh, I know what that person needs
Speaker 3: right now, and they need me to frame things in
Speaker 3: a certain way or explain it in a certain way
Speaker 3: or use a particular story, and that insight is to
Speaker 3: your point, that's how you connect with people one on one,
Speaker 3: but it's actually also how you connect with audio, like
Speaker 3: what does this room need right now? And how do
Speaker 3: I meet them there?
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of high level guessing in that,
Speaker 1: right because, of course, because you've got fifty different personalities
Speaker 1: and fifty different backgrounds and brains and minds and experiences
Speaker 1: and windows through which they're observing, judging and interpreting you.
Speaker 1: And as you said, someone's sitting there going, he's a
Speaker 1: fucking dickhead, and someone else is like, where's this guy
Speaker 1: been all my life? He's a genius. I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's written a book? And can I have a photo?
Speaker 1: And can I have a hug? And I have people
Speaker 1: that want to punch me in the face and other
Speaker 1: people that want to hug me at the same event,
Speaker 1: I'm like to both at once. One person hugs me
Speaker 1: while the other.
Speaker 3: I think it was Seth Godin who said to me
Speaker 3: one day, when you're doing a talk like that, find
Speaker 3: your allies and speak to them and like, literally look
Speaker 3: the person in the eye that looks like they're the
Speaker 3: person that wants to hug you most for a little
Speaker 3: longer than you think necessary, engage them in eye contact,
Speaker 3: and just channel your energy to them, and that all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, other people will pick up on the
Speaker 3: fact that there's like a really cool human, authentic connection happening,
Speaker 3: and they'll start to lean into that rather than kind
Speaker 3: of spraying and praying where you're just kind of scanning
Speaker 3: the room the whole one hundred and fifty people at
Speaker 3: a time. If you look someone in the eye that's
Speaker 3: leaning in and nodding and smiling, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's one of my allies right there, and you talk
Speaker 3: to them, it's almost like other people pick up on that,
Speaker 3: And I think about it all the time, versus staring
Speaker 3: at the guy that's sitting there with his arms cross,
Speaker 3: going look at this there with like what a wanker.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm sitting here awayte my time with
Speaker 3: this guy. There's no point channeling any energy towards that person.
Speaker 1: And how good is it when you feel a little
Speaker 1: bit like you're spinning your wheels and there's just you know,
Speaker 1: you sphink, there's just closed a bit, you know, and
Speaker 1: you look out and you see one persons why. There's
Speaker 1: always why. One person's like, yeah, that makes sense, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're nodding, and then I'm like, think, fuck for
Speaker 1: you exactly, that that person. It's just like a bit
Speaker 1: of a godsend where it's like, oh, my little angel,
Speaker 1: my little self esteem builder in the moment, thank you.
Speaker 1: They're giving me the A. They're giving me the A.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking for one And it's not because
Speaker 1: I'm doing a good job. It's because they're just a
Speaker 1: really nice impact exactly. They feel sorry for me, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to compensate for all the other motherfuckers that
Speaker 1: are glaring at me like I'm a bor on. So
Speaker 1: they're overdoing and on the smiling and the nodding. But
Speaker 1: I'm buying in anyway.
Speaker 3: There's a people pleaser in the crowd, and I'm buying
Speaker 3: into what they're putting.
Speaker 1: Now. I love it. Oh yeah yeah. And people that
Speaker 1: the same person that laughs at all your stupid shit.
Speaker 1: Hey mate, we love talking to you. You're a gun.
Speaker 1: Tell people how they can enjoy more of the Pea
Speaker 1: Shepherd experience.
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Speaker 3: and reach out at any point.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to chat. Giddy up, but a cup tiff
Speaker 1: On behalf of the Pete night. We wish you well
Speaker 1: for tomorrow night's good luck outing. We hope you find
Speaker 1: a prospective partner because we know you've said yourself, the
Speaker 1: clock's ticking and you know, no pressure. But and at
Speaker 1: this stage if you're going tomorrow night. By the way,
Speaker 1: she's not fussy, so that's a joke. Everyone, don't send
Speaker 1: me an email and make sure you compliment her on
Speaker 1: the red shoes. Make sure she may well be the
Speaker 1: most fussy. So thanks, thanks you guys. Thanks team