Speaker 1: This is Small Surgery tonight's guest. His brand new album
Speaker 1: is called side Quest. He is a band member number
Speaker 1: four of five Seconds of Summer to Go Solo. I
Speaker 1: snuck in a cheeky trip to La to go hang
Speaker 1: out with Mikey at his house to chat about his
Speaker 1: brand new album. Let's roll the interview.
Speaker 2: You're listening a small heath on Noah.
Speaker 1: Well, look who you catch up with when you're hanging
Speaker 1: out in La in person? In person? How are you?
Speaker 2: Dude, it's been three years.
Speaker 1: It's been three I had to correct him, three years.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I was just saying I'm tired. Your baby
Speaker 2: woke me up early today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so baby, now.
Speaker 2: She is almost took on the like about half of
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like I don't have kids, but I I have
Speaker 1: a niece and a nephew. The two year old. It's
Speaker 1: almost grown out of the puppy stage, if you could
Speaker 1: relate to it. It's almost at that stage. Yeah, You're like,
Speaker 1: you're like almost, it's like, okay, they're not chewing on things,
Speaker 1: and it's like.
Speaker 2: Now it's it's more like physical, like the chase is on.
Speaker 2: You know, you close your eyes and she's running full speed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ye well dad, life looks good on you. You don't look
Speaker 1: like you've aged at all. By the way you look.
Speaker 1: You're still useful.
Speaker 2: Thanks luck. I need that today. I'm not feeling that.
Speaker 1: How is everything is good with you? By the way,
Speaker 1: I've got to point out the nail art. This is great.
Speaker 1: Your nail art is fantastic. How long do you spend
Speaker 1: in in make hair and makeup for the nails?
Speaker 2: For the nails? The nails do take them minute, But
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm super antsy. I'm like, I because you've
Speaker 2: got to put them in this in this little thing
Speaker 2: to like seal them obviously every time.
Speaker 1: I sorry, I sure, like I know, yeah, you're like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I know. Yeah. But the more intricate it is, obviously,
Speaker 2: the longer it takes.
Speaker 1: But didn't you have something hanging off them the other
Speaker 1: I saw a photo with you. You had like like
Speaker 1: like a like a.
Speaker 2: Ornament, Yeah, hanging off one of the other I've had
Speaker 2: some pretty significant ornaments. I've got some. I've got some
Speaker 2: little ones this time. Nothing too crazy. Oh yeah, Jim, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got my little gems on it. But it's been
Speaker 2: a fun thing. That I've been doing on this this
Speaker 2: that I've like, I've never been into nail art or
Speaker 2: anything like that. And then just on this, on this album,
Speaker 2: I've just been like, you know, easter egging through nails,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, just having fun.
Speaker 1: Did the fans pick up on it?
Speaker 2: They did? Yeah, they've they guessed all the songs Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Does that make you think to yourself like I.
Speaker 2: Thought it was gonna be harder? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, like it's like when you're gonna if you're
Speaker 1: gonna commit to the Easter Egg totally, You've either got
Speaker 1: to go really well, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You're gonna commit to the Easter Egg. You've got one
Speaker 1: or two options. You either make it so easy because
Speaker 1: you want people to see that there's Easter eggs, or
Speaker 1: like super super hard. But then you go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what if no one cares about Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you just feel like because you're like,
Speaker 2: nobody found the thing that crazy. This one, the one
Speaker 2: that just happened to me, was like a pre save
Speaker 2: link where you like, right in, you know, the link
Speaker 2: is cold, you know whatever, and then usually the end
Speaker 2: of the song, yeah, the other the next song I
Speaker 2: had coming out with Porter. They just changed the name
Speaker 2: at the end of the other presave link to kill
Speaker 2: me for always the song, and they like it got
Speaker 2: a ton of pre saves because people just figured it out.
Speaker 2: I was like, that was pretty.
Speaker 1: That was good. And there wasn't there something on your
Speaker 1: website that I saw? I swear I saw this on
Speaker 1: Twitter that some page got put up, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was an Easter egg which one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I only saw a briefly.
Speaker 1: I don't know this, and I wasn't sure that was a.
Speaker 2: Proably some Mester eggs on there. There was like I was,
Speaker 2: I was like slowly erasing the word tour on my
Speaker 2: website as it was like as I was coming to
Speaker 2: like play shows and stuff. That was it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was fun. And it says tour because
Speaker 2: I was meant to do a tour, but now I'm
Speaker 2: just doing a show. You are now it says. But
Speaker 2: I was thinking about, like, it looks really bad if
Speaker 2: I change it. Like at the very end, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: now it says show or live or something. So I
Speaker 2: was like, I just want to leave it tour because you.
Speaker 1: Know, maybe one day the album is out.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's out.
Speaker 1: How as I said, I think I said to cow
Speaker 1: when his album came out the other week.
Speaker 2: I was listened to that interview.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've collected all the boys have now
Speaker 1: collected their Infinity Stone.
Speaker 2: And I'm not offended that we're not playing the Like,
Speaker 2: what's the game is? Yes, no game? Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: offended that we're not playing it, but like I feel
Speaker 2: a little bit like.
Speaker 1: You did let down.
Speaker 2: You didn't think of me. Yeah, you know, you know
Speaker 2: what you know, you know I'm a yes, no game kind.
Speaker 1: Of You are given some of the best answers. Thanks,
Speaker 1: some of the best memes. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I really really tried to really give that a good flick.
Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me about the tell me the record
Speaker 1: is out. How does it feel that the world is
Speaker 1: got has has got it?
Speaker 2: It feels really good. I'm happy to have it out
Speaker 2: and off my chest and now it's not mine anymore,
Speaker 2: it's somebody else's.
Speaker 1: And how long was it were you working on it
Speaker 1: up until the very end or was it like locked
Speaker 1: and loaded for ages and you just were like, let's
Speaker 1: just pick a date.
Speaker 2: And I was like like we were already like announcing
Speaker 2: as I was still like delivering okay songs. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was I'm you know, like, uh, I'm looking for
Speaker 2: the right word. And it's not like I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: It's not that I was gonna say, but I didn't
Speaker 2: want to sound like a crackhead. Yeah you know, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, So I was like
Speaker 2: I was constantly changing things towards the very end, so
Speaker 2: it was tough to get it delivered by the way.
Speaker 2: I just really I just realized how casually I dropped
Speaker 2: the word crackhead in the middle of that, and yeh,
Speaker 2: can we a.
Speaker 1: Cracking I can say, is this rating radio? You're good
Speaker 1: Australian radio. It's fine to say.
Speaker 2: That's like five times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I knew exactly what you were thinking, because
Speaker 1: you I was thinking tweaking too. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: but also, but we don't say tweaking is not part
Speaker 1: of like the verbiage in Australia. It's yeah, that's more
Speaker 1: American thing, like I think that's more like like lots
Speaker 1: of tweakers.
Speaker 2: On the street. Totally, yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't say that in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'd say another word that's probably really offensive.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, album, album's going great. Yeah, I'm happy everyone can
Speaker 2: hear it. And you know, I'm playing a show in
Speaker 2: LA next week, which will be really fun.
Speaker 1: How is that going to go for you?
Speaker 2: Terribly?
Speaker 1: No? No, best of luck if you have tickets. No, Like,
Speaker 1: are you nervous? Are you anxious? Is this the first
Speaker 1: time you've been on stage on your own?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, there's there's a like a small intimate sort
Speaker 2: of acoustic gig, but that doesn't really count.
Speaker 1: Whereas this colt through his he did a red room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched it and I was coming out in between
Speaker 1: songs because like, and I don't mean this, I don't
Speaker 1: know this to be true, but I feel it. It's
Speaker 1: like when you're in a group and you're on stage,
Speaker 1: like each of you had like one moment maybe between
Speaker 1: a song.
Speaker 2: Just say hold on, we write down exactly who talks.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but when you're on your own, it's you.
Speaker 1: Every time, you know, you'll yap in every song. So
Speaker 1: I came and yap with him in between it.
Speaker 2: That's helpful. It's so helpful to have someone to yap
Speaker 2: with you, I'm pretty horrified about yeah, yap and solo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean hopefully it's fine. I just I think
Speaker 2: it's It's interesting how when you when you create music,
Speaker 2: you know, you instantly think of it live and you
Speaker 2: think about what you know that feeling is going to
Speaker 2: be like in the room and how everyone's going to
Speaker 2: react to it and sing the words and stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that everyone loves it and that everyone sings
Speaker 2: along and yeah, but it's still equally as terrifying as Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Are you going to get home to Australia. We would
Speaker 1: love to have.
Speaker 2: You, I hope. So I've been trying going to.
Speaker 1: Do a long haul flight. Could you fly? Sorry to
Speaker 1: interrupt you. Would you come to Australia without child?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or would you?
Speaker 2: Guy?
Speaker 1: Like, if I'm going to go home, I have to
Speaker 1: bring the child home and two is still too young
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I if I go to Australia,
Speaker 2: I really am dying for her to come with me
Speaker 2: and like, you know, just go to where she's from
Speaker 2: and see her grandparents in Australia. I mean they've come
Speaker 2: over here and seen her, but like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's different, you know, bringing a bringing bringing my baby
Speaker 2: back where she's from is something that I'm I'm really
Speaker 2: looking forward to, but I don't know if I'm ready
Speaker 2: for that flight. It's a big commitment, and the flight
Speaker 2: to la is shit, it is. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: tough one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, and I speak on behalf of
Speaker 1: the people who would be sharing the cabin on the
Speaker 1: plane with you. I appreciate that you haven't done that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there will be a point where she can watch,
Speaker 2: you know, twelve hours of TV straight, but out at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: What is she watching?
Speaker 2: Is she we try not to do TV, which is like,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a really tough decision that we've made.
Speaker 1: Have you Are you one of these iPad parents?
Speaker 2: No, that's the issue. I wish we were. I just
Speaker 2: want to throw an iPad in front of her and
Speaker 2: just watch something. Let me do that, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're trying to be good to her brain.
Speaker 1: Oh good on you, so don't do it, just just
Speaker 1: give her the iPad. But anyway, Hey, I congratulations on that,
Speaker 1: because you know, stronger people have failed in that quest
Speaker 1: to keep their kid off so hard yeah, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: you did give her a la boo boo the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well she didn't. Is that here?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Where is that laboo boo?
Speaker 2: The laos aren't here right now?
Speaker 1: Sorry for people who don't know, the laboo boo craze
Speaker 1: is taken off. It's unlike you to not jump onto
Speaker 1: a craze and I appreciate it to you, and I
Speaker 1: have a very similar with that. You got your daughter
Speaker 1: a la booo thinking she'd be excited and she could
Speaker 1: over ship.
Speaker 2: Oh done. She was like, you know, why would I
Speaker 2: want this? And now she looks at them and she's
Speaker 2: like kind of scared at them. Now she got no
Speaker 2: little boo boo, no lat.
Speaker 1: Boo boo, like but yeah, you gave it to the
Speaker 1: dog in the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. They kind of cheered it a little bit,
Speaker 2: and even they weren't into it.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're close. I feel like every time
Speaker 1: a new train starts, the window between everyone wants it
Speaker 1: to it's now.
Speaker 2: Land getting smaller as well. Every time.
Speaker 1: Every time, it's like we're I think we're only a
Speaker 1: couple of days away from like la boo boos being
Speaker 1: out totally done.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, Crystal got me those from the local mall
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know about it and then I
Speaker 2: looked it up and.
Speaker 1: They're available here in the local mall. Do you know
Speaker 1: people line up in Australia like thirty forty fifty people
Speaker 1: deep for the drops? Yeah, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: even know what was the last thing that used to
Speaker 1: have a drop? You know, clothes have come out with
Speaker 1: drops La Boogoo drops in Australia, like.
Speaker 2: What I'd line up for, like the tend to switch, Yeah,
Speaker 2: kind of like that like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember who used to line up for the
Speaker 1: new iPhone back in the day at midnight for the midnight.
Speaker 2: Now everyone's like dratting the new update because they know
Speaker 2: their phone's gonna like slow down.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what else I have to talk to you about?
Speaker 1: What else do I need to know? Okay, the album
Speaker 1: is out. You're la Boo boo Cris.
Speaker 2: If it's cool, I would like to talk about Callum
Speaker 2: for a minute, Okay. I just I've been I've been
Speaker 2: loving Callum okay and his music. Yeah, I just and
Speaker 2: I saw, you know, he's been crushing it in Australia.
Speaker 1: He's been working very hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just I'm proud of you got the
Speaker 2: number one record. I know, I'm just I'm so proud
Speaker 2: of him, and I love all the music that he released,
Speaker 2: and you know, especially like us as a band, I'm
Speaker 2: proud of all of us being able to kind of
Speaker 2: like I feel like there's like a stigma around the
Speaker 2: world like solo projects or like doing doing stuff on
Speaker 2: our own, which is like I guess, I guess understandable.
Speaker 2: You know, like the history behind bands and solo projects
Speaker 2: and stuff is not you know, the track record's not great,
Speaker 2: But I do like to think that a band like
Speaker 2: us is sort of like, you know, we're showing people
Speaker 2: that you can do both. You know, there's no like
Speaker 2: for us, There's there's no reason that we can't like,
Speaker 2: you know, respect the band's history and the band's longevity
Speaker 2: and also like you know, just like fuck around and
Speaker 2: make some some stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you have to do you when you on the
Speaker 1: on the solo thing, did each of you have a discussion,
Speaker 1: because obviously you will would have talked about we're gonna
Speaker 1: each of you want to do you a solo thing?
Speaker 1: Was there did you make an agreement that we would
Speaker 1: stay out of the five Sauce lane, or did is
Speaker 1: the five Sauce Lane the five Sauce lane, because each
Speaker 1: four of you as individuals bring a different type of
Speaker 1: taste music.
Speaker 2: To I don't know if I mean for me personally.
Speaker 2: When I listen to all of our music individually, I
Speaker 2: hear the band. I hear like all four of these
Speaker 2: different influences and how we all, you know, come together
Speaker 2: to create the thing that like song by song, it
Speaker 2: differs in the in the band's discography, you know where
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can hear that, and you know, now
Speaker 2: going into working, you know, we've been working making some
Speaker 2: new music. Like it's so easy for us to like
Speaker 2: maybe easy is the wrong word, but like we're we're
Speaker 2: able to sort of like identify the influence of each
Speaker 2: member and each creative and being like, Okay, I I
Speaker 2: you know, hear that you're pushing this idea and I
Speaker 2: know from the music that you've made that you know
Speaker 2: how to do that thing or whatever. You know, so
Speaker 2: let's bring a bit of that into this. So it's
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's that's how I feel. Is like it's
Speaker 2: kind of like bringing it's like bringing all the stuff
Speaker 2: together to to create it, because you know, there's also
Speaker 2: like this respect for the band that we all have
Speaker 2: where like this, you know, when we're making decisions for
Speaker 2: the band and we're and we're pushing you know, ideas
Speaker 2: and releasing music for the band, it really needs to
Speaker 2: be like cared for, like super heavily. Where Like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's got such a history and like a deep meaning
Speaker 2: for a lot of people, you know, like including including
Speaker 2: us obviously, so like we always want to do it respect.
Speaker 2: Whereas when it comes to the solo projects, like we
Speaker 2: can just we can just do stuff for fun. You know,
Speaker 2: I name this shit siequesst like, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm just out here having fun.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and absolutely on that. Now that each of you
Speaker 1: have done the solo thing, I think the internet is
Speaker 1: stirring with rumors. Is with his five sauce with a
Speaker 1: five sauce comeback.
Speaker 2: I know Callum was sus about this answer too. Yeah
Speaker 2: could happen, Okay, I could happen. Okay, maybe sooner than
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that's exciting, that's a bit of that's a
Speaker 1: bit of juice. I love that old squeeze hard in
Speaker 1: the private time when it's off the air. Thank you.
Speaker 1: For having me over. Congratulations on the record.
Speaker 2: Thank you man.
Speaker 1: You don't look tie it even though that's good. That's great,
Speaker 1: so you know, keep it up asking doing something. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the record and we'll see you soon in Australia.
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