Speaker 1: Cook, Good morning, Harper, All right morning, I'm very good. Thanks.
Speaker 2: What have you been doing?
Speaker 1: Just obsessing over my new toy if I'm honest?
Speaker 2: Oh god, does the world need another conversation about your
Speaker 2: motorbike and your new muffler, your new loud motorbike.
Speaker 1: I had to ring my uncle right before bed, just
Speaker 1: to tell him I was excited for tomorrow just to
Speaker 1: get up and find a minute to ride it again.
Speaker 2: That's your uncle who's also a revheaders That correct?
Speaker 1: That is correct? Because no one else, no one else
Speaker 1: in not very few in my world, get it. None
Speaker 1: of my girlfriends are going to give me the response
Speaker 1: I need, are they?
Speaker 2: And your boyfriend who you say, isn't your boyfriend that
Speaker 2: owns the Indian? That isn't your boyfriend? And inverted commons?
Speaker 2: That guy has he's seen has he heard it yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Of course, of course, yes, had to go straight
Speaker 1: round and give it a rev. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what about the motorbike right after?
Speaker 1: Great, No, don't be silly.
Speaker 2: Two birds, one stone boom, what do you what are
Speaker 2: you going to come out of the out of the
Speaker 2: darkness and into the light with that relationship? We're all
Speaker 2: I think you've evolved enough now we're all we're all
Speaker 2: grown up.
Speaker 1: It's okay, there's no relationship.
Speaker 2: There's no relationship. Does he know that?
Speaker 1: Ship?
Speaker 2: Does he know that?
Speaker 1: Usually my relationships or imaginary harps, you know that, friends,
Speaker 1: imaginary husbands, that's where I do my best relationship work
Speaker 1: in my imagination.
Speaker 2: In the theoretical world. But here in the physical world.
Speaker 2: Fucking nightmare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, you know it's I think we
Speaker 3: can leave the the intimate and romantic relationships to the
Speaker 3: rest of the world.
Speaker 2: They all seem to be.
Speaker 1: They've got covered.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've done a little bit of.
Speaker 2: I've been doing some extra curricular coaching lately because of
Speaker 2: my mentoring group, and everyone in the mentor and group
Speaker 2: gets a one off sessh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Need to be careful what I say next, because I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about any particular individual and no one knows.
Speaker 2: But let's just say that, by and large, not too
Speaker 2: many people are saying to me, oh, my relationship, that's terrific.
Speaker 2: It's not too many people that when we have a
Speaker 2: chat about the you know, the old partner, that's it's
Speaker 2: all glowing. In fact, quite often, Oh it's tough, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's a very fucking that's why you and I have
Speaker 2: dodged that for a long time. Maybe I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're smart or dumb.
Speaker 1: I reckon relationships are funny because I reckon there's something
Speaker 1: that we don't realize, the work that's involved with them,
Speaker 1: and we want them to make us feel good. And
Speaker 1: unless they just naturally do meet us where we're and
Speaker 1: make us feel good, we just say they're shit or
Speaker 1: you know, like they're like everything else, like everything else,
Speaker 1: everything other area of our life. Usually when we want
Speaker 1: to make it better, we're ready to do the work
Speaker 1: for us. But usually, yeah, it's only people that are
Speaker 1: quite evolved that go, I need to work on me
Speaker 1: or me and my relationship, me and my relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is quite quite insightful for the motorbike riding
Speaker 2: Revent with all the commitment issues.
Speaker 1: It hasn't had a relationship for forty two years.
Speaker 2: That's all right, No, it's true though, but also both
Speaker 2: but if there's only one person who has that mindset,
Speaker 2: then that's not going to work either because both people
Speaker 2: need to be able to go, well, look, this is
Speaker 2: not a perfect relationship, which is normal. That's fine, and
Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, and you're not perfect. But let's individually
Speaker 2: and collectively work better or work consciously to whatever do
Speaker 2: better too, you know. And by the way, is this
Speaker 2: something that we want to genuinely want to be in
Speaker 2: for the next however many years, or might we be
Speaker 2: better to amicably go our separate ways, or you know,
Speaker 2: like I think staying in My religious friends won't like
Speaker 2: me saying this, but fuck it. I think staying in
Speaker 2: a relationship through some sense of guilt or obligation or
Speaker 2: and I know there are a myriad of variables around this,
Speaker 2: of course, and I'm not talking about a banning in
Speaker 2: kids or of course it's really tough, but if it's
Speaker 2: just you and the other person and no kids, and
Speaker 2: then staying in that when it ain't healthy or when
Speaker 2: it's somewhat toxic. But again, it's easier said than done,
Speaker 2: and there are a lot of complications for people. I
Speaker 2: don't know why we opened that door, but I tell
Speaker 2: you what door we did open. Last time, had you
Speaker 2: and I had a chat, Do you remember we spoke
Speaker 2: about this idea of cults of thought and you said,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to have a chat about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were finishing on something profound. What was the
Speaker 1: point we got to where I was like, let's talk
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we were talking about the way that
Speaker 2: we all see, you know, which we've spoken about many times,
Speaker 2: but the way that we all see the world through
Speaker 2: our lens, our filter, all of that. And also, you
Speaker 2: know very much when when you believe something emphatically, then
Speaker 2: you absolutely want that to be true because your belief
Speaker 2: and your identity and your confidence usually all intertwined. And
Speaker 2: if that belief, if that belief turns out to be bullshit,
Speaker 2: then that can be very distressing emotionally and psychologically for
Speaker 2: people and even spiritually because they believed that was almost
Speaker 2: the basis for how they did life, and then you
Speaker 2: find out that thing is is perhaps not what you thought.
Speaker 2: But so I wrote a little something that I'm going
Speaker 2: to read right which I'm I'm turning into a video
Speaker 2: later today. I've decided to do a couple of little videos.
Speaker 2: Did you see my little step up video that I did?
Speaker 1: Sure did in the oasis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, out in the bloody the jungle that is my
Speaker 2: front yard. It's like, it's funny when you and I'll
Speaker 2: come back to thought cults in a moment but I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, it hasn't gone viral, but I
Speaker 2: think on you know, collectively on Facebook and instrum, it's
Speaker 2: nearly twenty thousand views or something. And I'm like, it's funny,
Speaker 2: how just doing this little simple exercise where you're lifting
Speaker 2: yourself up onto a step, a high step in this case.
Speaker 2: And then you go, well, this is working all the
Speaker 2: same muscles that you're doing at the gym when you're
Speaker 2: doing a squat in a rack or a you know,
Speaker 2: a leg press or a hack squad or and it's
Speaker 2: working your ass, it's working you quads, it's working your hamstrings.
Speaker 2: It's hip flexion, hip extension, deflexion, the extension. It's all
Speaker 2: the same anatomical movements. It's all the same muscles. And
Speaker 2: you don't need any equipment. You don't need to go anywhere.
Speaker 2: And I had a few people send me emails, God,
Speaker 2: that's fucking so good, and I'm like, yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: so simple. Not the video is so good, but just
Speaker 2: that they go, oh, I don't need to I don't
Speaker 2: need to go to a gym. Like if you can
Speaker 2: go to a gym, it's good. But we can build strength,
Speaker 2: real strength, and real function pretty much with zero equipment.
Speaker 1: What was really really interesting about that or good about
Speaker 1: that video is that you couldn't get a more simple
Speaker 1: exercise and you could google and like people, it's nothing.
Speaker 1: No one didn't know how to do. But what's great
Speaker 1: about it is information is not application, but the information
Speaker 1: you provided gives people a level of empowerment to be
Speaker 1: driven to do it because they get this understanding. It
Speaker 1: is quite scientific behind stepping up and down on a
Speaker 1: fucking Yeah. And I find that interesting. Like google any
Speaker 1: at home workout and you get lunges or step ups.
Speaker 1: No one's running out doing them. Put a video up
Speaker 1: that empowers people to give a little bit more understanding
Speaker 1: and they want to buy into the process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you think, like if you zoom out and
Speaker 2: you ask a hundred people, Hey, how many of you
Speaker 2: would like to have a stronger lower body? Like who's
Speaker 2: going to go No, who's going to go No? I
Speaker 2: want to be weak, I want to be wobbly. I
Speaker 2: want a saggy ass, I want weak, skinny fucking legs.
Speaker 2: You know who wants that? Nobody wants that. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: you go, well, here's here's something that's free. It doesn't
Speaker 2: require much skill. And by the way, if this what
Speaker 2: I'm demonstrating is too hard, then make it lower. And
Speaker 2: if that's too hard, make it lower again. And then
Speaker 2: when you get good at that low one, make it
Speaker 2: a little higher, and then over time graduate to this.
Speaker 2: And then even with the one that I did, which
Speaker 2: is quite a high step a little bit above knee height,
Speaker 2: you can still vary the speed. You can still hold
Speaker 2: some dumbbells or hold a kettle bell, or or if
Speaker 2: you don't have any of that, I can you know,
Speaker 2: carry a bag of groceries. It doesn't matter. Like you
Speaker 2: could do more reps, you can slow it right down.
Speaker 2: You know, there are so many ways to create that
Speaker 2: kind of training effect and that adaptive response without No,
Speaker 2: you don't need to be a fucking biomechanist or a
Speaker 2: physiologist or a gym owner. You don't need a gym membership.
Speaker 2: But if you do this movement that works this muscle,
Speaker 2: these muscles, and you do it the right way, and
Speaker 2: you don't just do it for two days, but you
Speaker 2: do it all the days like you do it the
Speaker 2: next one hundred days, you're going to have an ass
Speaker 2: like a fucking Olympic athlete.
Speaker 1: Well, you think about. You know, some people would go, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't build a lot of muscle with body weight,
Speaker 1: but then okay, we'll break your ankle and once you
Speaker 1: get your cast off in six months, have a look
Speaker 1: at the size of one of your legs just from
Speaker 1: walking on it.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent. I guess, like one
Speaker 2: of the things. And this wasn't what I intend to
Speaker 2: talk about. We'll go to thought cults in a moment.
Speaker 2: But like when you do any movement, it's like when you,
Speaker 2: for example, if someone does a push up against the bench,
Speaker 2: you know where they're feed are on the ground, and
Speaker 2: you go, I'm leaning against the bench, which is weight
Speaker 2: waist height. Well, now you're doing essentially a version of
Speaker 2: a push up or a bench press. Like biomechanically and anatomically,
Speaker 2: like what's happening when you do a push up is
Speaker 2: almost identical, just slightly different angle to what you're doing
Speaker 2: when you do a bench press. Now, if you can
Speaker 2: go well I can't do push ups? Cool? Well, can
Speaker 2: you do them against the wall, which is a very
Speaker 2: modified version. Then can you lower your hands so it's
Speaker 2: a bit harder? Then can you do it on a
Speaker 2: kitchen bench? Cool? Now, can you do it on a stool? Now?
Speaker 2: Can you maybe do them on the floor from your knees? Now?
Speaker 2: Can you maybe do them from your feet? But just
Speaker 2: do a little movement and then eventually you graduate to
Speaker 2: where you're doing, you know, a highly modified intense version
Speaker 2: of the same movement, where now you've got one foot
Speaker 2: up on a chair and the other one in free space,
Speaker 2: and you're doing a push up and you're taking your
Speaker 2: chest to the ground and you're holding it for a
Speaker 2: count of five and then exploding up. So you're still
Speaker 2: doing the same movement in a different way. But what
Speaker 2: you're doing is you're increasing stress on the muscle. In
Speaker 2: other words, you're progressing the overload so that your body
Speaker 2: has to adapt. But we can get one simple exercise
Speaker 2: that everyone understands, like a squat or a step up
Speaker 2: or a push up, and manipulate that motherfucker. So there's
Speaker 2: fifty different versions. You could give me an elite athlete.
Speaker 2: I could train them in my front yard with no
Speaker 2: equipment and absolutely exhaust them, and they get up tomorrow
Speaker 2: and they're sow as fuck because they've done an intense
Speaker 2: workout and something that's a bit different. Saw in a
Speaker 2: good way, not a bad way everyone, you know. So,
Speaker 2: but the thing is that a lot of and this
Speaker 2: this is true for everything, Like back to your thing
Speaker 2: about working on a relationship, it's like, it's really, well,
Speaker 2: will you just do that work? Because going out into
Speaker 2: my front yard doing step ups it's not sexy, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not glamorous. It's not like I'm in the gym
Speaker 2: using a million bucks worth of equipment with you know,
Speaker 2: all the music pumping and all the fucking razzle dazzle.
Speaker 2: I'm just out there in the bamboo on my pat malone,
Speaker 2: you know, me and the pandas in the bamboo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's all right, all right.
Speaker 2: So we spoke about this idea of a thought cult,
Speaker 2: and so let me read to you what I wrote,
Speaker 2: which I'm going to turn into maybe into a video today,
Speaker 2: and then we can just kind of riff off that.
Speaker 2: So thought cults are groups of all kinds religious, social, political, corporate, scientific, spiritual,
Speaker 2: where your membership in inverted commas to that group is
Speaker 2: dependent on your willingness to agree, to align and to
Speaker 2: conform to a prevailing philosophy, ideology, theology, and or set
Speaker 2: of rules, rituals, and behaviors, without question, without dissension, and
Speaker 2: without hesitation, to leave your critical thinking, your discernment, and
Speaker 2: your instinct at the door, in other words, kind of
Speaker 2: to put your brain in a jar and go, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to think. I'll let them think and whatever
Speaker 2: they think, whatever the group thinks. So it's that consensual thing.
Speaker 2: Your membership to the thought cult is contingent or dependent
Speaker 2: on your willingness to live in the echo chamber, to
Speaker 2: be more like them and less like you, to reject
Speaker 2: any idea or information that doesn't align with the prevailing doctrine,
Speaker 2: in other words, the way the group thinks, the way
Speaker 2: the group operates, what the group believes, and we have
Speaker 2: very much. And I've been in these environments. I've been
Speaker 2: in these thought cults where if you don't believe, if
Speaker 2: you don't conform, if you if you have an idea
Speaker 2: or a thought that doesn't fit in, you're you know,
Speaker 2: you're at the very least criticized or discouraged and potentially punished.
Speaker 2: The objective of all thought cults is to disempower and
Speaker 2: control you, to convince you that you are not enough,
Speaker 2: and that life outside the thought cult is certain death,
Speaker 2: not a literal death than a spiritual, social, psychological, and
Speaker 2: or emotional death. We are social creatures and pack animals
Speaker 2: and cult leaders prey on this very human inclination for
Speaker 2: us to want to be part of something, for us
Speaker 2: to belong, for us to be part of group. So,
Speaker 2: if you belong to a group of any kind where
Speaker 2: you are discouraged, criticized, or even punished for thinking for yourself,
Speaker 2: for not agreeing, or for not being more like them
Speaker 2: than you are in a thought cult, and if you're
Speaker 2: in one, get out, And if you're not in one,
Speaker 2: don't fucking join. It's true, isn't it? And there are
Speaker 2: true you think about that in all contexts, even at
Speaker 2: a fucking dinner. I don't believe you voted for X
Speaker 2: y Z. What the fuck's wrong with you? Well? How
Speaker 2: can you eat meat? You don't you know what your mother?
Speaker 2: I'm like cool you began, I'm not. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to make you eat meat. Please don't try to make
Speaker 2: me eat fucking tofu. It's okay. We can coexist. I
Speaker 2: don't need to be like you. I don't need to
Speaker 2: agree with you, and you don't need to be like me,
Speaker 2: And you don't need to agree with me, But I
Speaker 2: don't need to criticize you for your individual choices, and
Speaker 2: you don't need to criticize me or try to manipulate
Speaker 2: or control me into a certain way of thinking, because
Speaker 2: that's how you think. But that is very much how
Speaker 2: it works in the world.
Speaker 1: Having an understanding that that is operating beneath the surface
Speaker 1: in everything's in it. And I was talking about it yesterday,
Speaker 1: and sorry to bring the bike up again, but that
Speaker 1: idea that when you're writing down the freeway and you
Speaker 1: ride past another rider the nod because there's this whole
Speaker 1: little club going on, it's like, oh, you're a writer.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, the same thing doesn't happen
Speaker 1: when someone's driving the same car as you. But when
Speaker 1: I thought about that, I think about the time when
Speaker 1: I'm pulling up at work in my Toyota CHR and
Speaker 1: sometimes my client ten is pulling up in her Toyo
Speaker 1: to CHR. And if I think about that, there is
Speaker 1: a recognition and almost a level of connection that I
Speaker 1: kind of feel and go, oh, we like kind of
Speaker 1: we're the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something really minor and
Speaker 1: you have to really tune into it. But that's happening
Speaker 1: all the time with everything we do.
Speaker 2: Mmmm, And that's like, that's good awareness. And look, I mean,
Speaker 2: by the way, there's nothing wrong with belonging to a group,
Speaker 2: Like we have a group page for the You Project.
Speaker 2: We've got three and a half thousand members in our cult.
Speaker 3: You're a.
Speaker 2: But I'm always saying, always, don't believe me because you
Speaker 2: like me, or believe me if you want, or agree
Speaker 2: with me if you want. Once you do your own
Speaker 2: thinking and your own research, and your own trial and
Speaker 2: error and your own kind of whatever, your own work.
Speaker 2: Like I'm what I'm going to do is I'm going
Speaker 2: to get on podcasts and I'm going to talk about
Speaker 2: how I think shit works. The end. This is how
Speaker 2: I think humans work. This is how I think bodies work.
Speaker 2: This is how I think you can train at home
Speaker 2: with no equipment. This is you know, this is how
Speaker 2: I think a podcast could be done in a way
Speaker 2: to build connection with people. Let's make it organic, let's
Speaker 2: have a conversation, let's not script it, and we might
Speaker 2: even create a plan that we don't fucking follow. Well
Speaker 2: done us, right, But and I would encourage people to
Speaker 2: to challenge what I think, but not criticize just like, well,
Speaker 2: if you want to criticize, you can, But I mean
Speaker 2: there's people criticize for the sake of criticizing versus all right, well,
Speaker 2: you think A and I think B. And while I
Speaker 2: don't agree with you, that's okay. But nothing in me
Speaker 2: is compelled to try to psychologically or emotionally leverage you
Speaker 2: to make you think the way that I think you
Speaker 2: should think. Like the moment that that shit happens, and
Speaker 2: that shit happens all the time, alarm bell should be
Speaker 2: going off. And I mean this happens in families where
Speaker 2: everybody's got to think the same way and believe the
Speaker 2: same way, and we've all got to no, no, we
Speaker 2: all have to get together at Christmas and we all
Speaker 2: have to do this, and there's going to be a
Speaker 2: fucking Chris Kringle and whatever. Right, that's very simple, you know,
Speaker 2: like whatever, it's cool and like I guess some things
Speaker 2: we go, look, it's not worth fucking ruffling any feathers
Speaker 2: I'm in. But then there are other things where you go, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, like that's actually going
Speaker 2: to impact my life in some way, that's going to
Speaker 2: impact the decisions I make. That's going to impact how
Speaker 2: I eat, or how I move my body, or how
Speaker 2: I do relationships, or who I vote for, or the
Speaker 2: kind of lifestyle that I create. If I have to,
Speaker 2: if I have to tick all of these boxes to
Speaker 2: stay in this group, and some of those boxes I
Speaker 2: don't want to tick. I want to cross or you can't, Craig,
Speaker 2: you can't cross that. You need to tick that because
Speaker 2: that's the price of admission, and that's the price of membership.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's like when you when you think
Speaker 2: that that if you don't belong or when you think that,
Speaker 2: for example, if you do have your own opinion which
Speaker 2: doesn't align with the prevailing whatever, then you're going to
Speaker 2: in inverted commas get in trouble. Well that's a problem.
Speaker 2: That's a problem. It's like I just spoke to Vin.
Speaker 2: By the way, Vin said to say, loo to you,
Speaker 2: I Vin. I've in to Vinn and like he's he's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite people in the whole fucking world.
Speaker 2: I love him. And Hey and I are really different.
Speaker 2: We're really different. We don't agree on everything. His dad,
Speaker 2: he's a granddad, he's got three kids. He's like a tradesman,
Speaker 2: he's an electrician. He's a blokey bloke. He lives in
Speaker 2: the country. He lives on fucking you know property, well
Speaker 2: not anymore actually, but you know, the whole kind of
Speaker 2: and he tongue in cheek. But for a long time
Speaker 2: he was basic. He used to look at my life
Speaker 2: and go, that's not a real job. That's not a job, dude.
Speaker 2: The thing that you do not a job. And likes
Speaker 2: he kind of thinks that he doesn't really like. But
Speaker 2: it's like to him and I get it, and I
Speaker 2: get it, and I look at the way that he
Speaker 2: does life, I'm like, I would not I would not
Speaker 2: enjoy what you do because I'm not passionate about that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I don't have I
Speaker 2: don't have that kind of brain, I don't have those
Speaker 2: kind of skills. I don't want to be in that
Speaker 2: kind of environment. And that's not because he's doing anything wrong.
Speaker 2: That's because I'm not Vin, and Vin's not me. But
Speaker 2: we can have disparate or divergent ideas, divergent beliefs, divergent lifestyle,
Speaker 2: but still have convergence of love and connection and friendship
Speaker 2: and respect. But where it seems like we're starting to
Speaker 2: live in a culture where we all have to think
Speaker 2: the fucking same thing to be friends or to love
Speaker 2: each other or respect each other.
Speaker 1: I wonder what my life would look like if I
Speaker 1: had this awareness when I was late teens and just
Speaker 1: you know, leaving school and deciding what was going to
Speaker 1: be my life life. Because even with all the decisions
Speaker 1: I've made, and especially in later years, when I feel
Speaker 1: like I've done things, really i've really done things differently
Speaker 1: in my way, I haven't. Really. When I look at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm still bound by so much conditioning of
Speaker 1: this is what your options are like, No, your options
Speaker 1: are anything in the world. Your options are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sell up everything and buy a Cambra van and travel
Speaker 1: around the ludiest of the country and do podcasts from
Speaker 1: here and there and work in cafes along, Like that's
Speaker 1: an option.
Speaker 2: Well, I spoke to a guy called Damon Hayhow last
Speaker 2: week who was on the show, and Damon, did you
Speaker 2: do that? No? You didn't do that one? No? And
Speaker 2: Damon's Diamond's a fucking that. That episode's called the Shitsterer
Speaker 2: because he's a shitsterer, but he's the opposite of a conformist,
Speaker 2: you know, and he's like, nah, doesn't work, Nah, don't
Speaker 2: believe it. Nah, you know. And the in Covid he
Speaker 2: moved to the other side of the world and just
Speaker 2: he found a place where he could, you know, for him,
Speaker 2: live how he wants to live. And now he lives
Speaker 2: in Georgia, which orders Russia. And it was just so
Speaker 2: interesting talking to somebody who's just you know, and not
Speaker 2: just for the sake of being different, but has chosen
Speaker 2: his own kind of has his own ideology and philosophy,
Speaker 2: and he just lives that. I don't have his ideology
Speaker 2: or philosophy in terms of the exact same model as him.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless we could get together on a show, respect
Speaker 2: each other. I think he likes me, I like him.
Speaker 2: We got on great and it's I find it fucking
Speaker 2: fascinating to talk to people who don't live like me,
Speaker 2: think like me necessarily look through the Craig window, which
Speaker 2: is everyone of course, but you know, and back to
Speaker 2: that old chestnut, seek first to understand. It doesn't say
Speaker 2: seek first to agree, seek first to be like, seek
Speaker 2: first to judge. It says seek first, just to fucking understand.
Speaker 1: When you look at what the decisions you've made. Do
Speaker 1: you think you have for the most part, operated from
Speaker 1: a place of getting away from what you don't want
Speaker 1: or being or chasing what you do want.
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I couldn't really quantify that, but
Speaker 2: I would. I don't know, but I think, I mean,
Speaker 2: I do talk about this concept which you've heard me
Speaker 2: talk about, of anti goals. So sometimes when I would like,
Speaker 2: I remember when I would first start doing kind of
Speaker 2: facilitating goal setting with people back in the day when
Speaker 2: I really was fucking I don't know, I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: paid to sit with me, but curiously, some people I
Speaker 2: would have fucking paid not to sit with me. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I was making shit up as I went. But I
Speaker 2: do remember having, you know, some mild success with people
Speaker 2: and sitting with people going all right. So, and this
Speaker 2: was around, you know, when I owned gyms, and of
Speaker 2: course we would sit and have a consult and talk
Speaker 2: about all the fundamentals of you know, food and exercise
Speaker 2: and lifestyle and lifting heavy shits and changing their body
Speaker 2: and micros and macros and body composition and wait and
Speaker 2: all of those variables. And then but more broadly, we'd
Speaker 2: zoom out to kind of life and happiness and purpose
Speaker 2: and like building a lifestyle, and like even like doing
Speaker 2: a job which is good for your health, Like even
Speaker 2: think about that, Like is your job good for your health?
Speaker 2: There's a fucking podcast right there. And I used to
Speaker 2: say to people like, do you think overall, physically, mentally,
Speaker 2: emotionally your job is good for your health, bad for
Speaker 2: your health, or kind of in between, And more than
Speaker 2: half of the people go, it's from a mental and
Speaker 2: emotional point of view, it's not good because I don't
Speaker 2: love it, I don't like it. It's it's you know,
Speaker 2: all of these kinds of things. So I'd end up
Speaker 2: having philosophical conversations in answer to your question about what
Speaker 2: they wanted. And I would say, so, you know, like
Speaker 2: what would be ideal for you? What would be your
Speaker 2: dream job or your dream situation or dream environment or whatever.
Speaker 2: And obviously, as I would have many times through my journey,
Speaker 2: they go, I don't know, Like I just know I
Speaker 2: don't want to be here. I don't have absolute clarity.
Speaker 2: I'm like, good, well, that's a starting point. Could we
Speaker 2: do the opposite? Could we figure out what you don't want? Right?
Speaker 2: And this is the process of like anti GOALSI okay,
Speaker 2: do you want to wear a suit? If you asked
Speaker 2: me this, I would have gone no. If you had
Speaker 2: have said to me, do you want to work in
Speaker 2: an office? No? Okay? Good, well that cuts out a
Speaker 2: fucking million jobs.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Do you want to work nine to five or a
Speaker 2: version of that? No? Cool? Do you want to work
Speaker 2: in the CBD?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Right? Do you want to have Do you want to
Speaker 2: sit in a fucking cubicle with Fluro's buzzing above your head?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Good? Okay. Do you want to be a tradesman? No? Okay?
Speaker 2: Do you want to fix engines and shit?
Speaker 3: Nah?
Speaker 2: Right? So then you kind of get down and you go, well,
Speaker 2: what do I fucking want? Well, like, I'm kind of creative,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious, I'm kind of you know, so,
Speaker 2: so I think that kind of for me, I was
Speaker 2: early days kind of moving away from conformity and moving
Speaker 2: away from tradition and typical, you know, and not not
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be different or atypical, but just
Speaker 2: because what was the norm, what was typical, what was
Speaker 2: common held zero appeal to me. Like the idea of
Speaker 2: just turning up for work, doing a job, having a
Speaker 2: boss in an environment, playing a particular role or a
Speaker 2: version of a particular role for the foreseeable fucking future.
Speaker 2: I'd rather punch myself in the face. I'd rather make
Speaker 2: half the money and do something that excited me.
Speaker 1: I reckon our mind limits our ability to even recognize
Speaker 1: or think of the go to the what do I
Speaker 1: want to be? It's really easy to know what to
Speaker 1: identify what I definitely don't want. But I reckon most
Speaker 1: people get lost because we go, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there's this umbrella over our brain's capacity to let
Speaker 1: you think of all the opportunities that are actually available
Speaker 1: to you, because there's so many limitations of oh but
Speaker 1: I'm not this, I'm not that. And also, and for
Speaker 1: that reason, there's a lot of things we've never tried.
Speaker 1: I'd never tried podcasting. I didn't know how much I
Speaker 1: was going to love it till one day I just
Speaker 1: tried it. So I think trying different things is really powerful.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a really good point.
Speaker 2: Think about this. I want you to think about this
Speaker 2: for a moment. So I have a mansion. In this analogy,
Speaker 2: I have a mansion, and there's there's a hundred bedrooms,
Speaker 2: there's one hundred recreational rooms, there's a gym, there's fucking playgrounds.
Speaker 2: It's the biggest house in the world. It's amazing this house. Right,
Speaker 2: And you have been living in one room your whole life.
Speaker 2: You've been in one room, and in that room, it's
Speaker 2: pretty good. In that room. You know, you can do
Speaker 2: lots of shit, and you can eat, and you can live,
Speaker 2: and you can look on the internet and you can
Speaker 2: have limited experiences. Right, But all you have to do
Speaker 2: is open the fucking door to the room. And there
Speaker 2: are a thousand other rooms. There are all these rooms.
Speaker 2: I believe that most people's brain, and most people's thinking,
Speaker 2: and most people's existence is a version of that. We
Speaker 2: all have access to this myriad of rooms and spaces
Speaker 2: and places and options and lessons. But we stay in
Speaker 2: a room, in a metaphoric room. We live in our
Speaker 2: little box. We don't get outside the box, and we
Speaker 2: think our box is the world.
Speaker 1: If you that's so good. That is the best analogy.
Speaker 1: If you were me, from what you know of me,
Speaker 1: what door would you open in that mansion?
Speaker 2: I just think, I don't like I just think having
Speaker 2: new and different experiences, like I truly think this hanging
Speaker 2: out with people who are not like you, hanging out
Speaker 2: with people who do not think like you, hanging out
Speaker 2: with people from different cultures and religions and mindsets, not
Speaker 2: so that you become them, but so you get away
Speaker 2: from a version of you. Most of us hang out
Speaker 2: with a version of us. Ergo confirmation bias, Ergo the
Speaker 2: echo chamber, Ergo the cult of thought. Back to our
Speaker 2: starting point, right, But when I mean, he's not there anymore.
Speaker 2: But there used to be a guy called Muhamm across
Speaker 2: the road who worked in the cafe, who's a Muslim,
Speaker 2: And every day I would go get my coffee and
Speaker 2: I would say to him, teach me something from the Koran,
Speaker 2: or teach me something. Teach me like some kind of
Speaker 2: principle from your faith. Right, because I grew up a Christian,
Speaker 2: I grew up I've given like I've opened the Buddhism
Speaker 2: door for a little bit of a squizz. I've opened
Speaker 2: quite a few doors. But I want to just And
Speaker 2: it's not because oh, I want to become a Muslim,
Speaker 2: or I want to become a Buddhist, or I'm looking
Speaker 2: into atheism, or oh I'm going to dive back into
Speaker 2: whatever it's like, no, here's a person who has a
Speaker 2: different culture, different life, a different way of living, different
Speaker 2: thoughts to I just want to pull back the curtain
Speaker 2: and see what's in his mind, right, seek first to understand.
Speaker 2: And so I think, I think when we have new
Speaker 2: experiences and do new things, like out of that, not always,
Speaker 2: but sometimes out of that we go, oh my god,
Speaker 2: how long has this been here? Like for me doing
Speaker 2: a PhD? And you know, and I don't say that
Speaker 2: with any arrogance because I'm not, by the way, everyone
Speaker 2: in case you didn't get, I'm not very good at it, right,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the fucking if they hand it out like
Speaker 2: ABCD in which they don't in p I'm a C student, right,
Speaker 2: I just fucking I just you know, stumble along. But
Speaker 2: for me, it's like, oh, there's a whole new world
Speaker 2: of people that are not like the people that I
Speaker 2: usually hang out with, and they're really cool, Like they're
Speaker 2: kind of geeks, but they're cool. They're cool geeks, and
Speaker 2: they're not like me, and I'm not like them, and
Speaker 2: I'm not better or worse. I'm just not them and
Speaker 2: they're not better or worse. They're just not me. But
Speaker 2: I can learn from them. You know, you think about
Speaker 2: and you've met Chris and Odko. Chris is my senior
Speaker 2: supervisor in my PhD. He speaks six languages. He was
Speaker 2: born in Romania. He grew up in Russia, not Romanian Mongolia,
Speaker 2: and grew up in Russia and France. He's got two PhDs.
Speaker 2: He's a professor. His wife, id Co also is a PhD.
Speaker 2: She's a doctor and doing another PhD. They are so
Speaker 2: nothing like me, as you well know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: at one end of what it is to be a
Speaker 2: human scale. They're at the other end. But I fucking
Speaker 2: love them and they are so good for me because
Speaker 2: they're nothing like me. Their humor is not like mine,
Speaker 2: their personality, the way they communicate their language, the way
Speaker 2: they think, the way they do life, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's amazing. It's amazing, Like I don't want to hang
Speaker 2: out with people like me. I fucking spend too much
Speaker 2: time with myself anyway. You know. It's like, yeah, and
Speaker 2: I think that that willingness to stop trying to find
Speaker 2: people who tell you what you're not you I'm talking
Speaker 2: in general, stop trying to find people who make you
Speaker 2: feel better about yourself. That's just fear and insecurity by
Speaker 2: people who disagree with you. And then go, what is
Speaker 2: that about. I'm not talking about people who are you know,
Speaker 2: violent and fucking outspoken and aggressive. I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about, Oh I believe this and you
Speaker 2: believe that? Can I just can we have a chat?
Speaker 2: What is that about? And you know, back to your
Speaker 2: other question about young you. I was just going to say,
Speaker 2: I'll shut up after this. So one of the people
Speaker 2: in my mentoring group as a young guy called Ozzie,
Speaker 2: and I think I can say that. And Ozzie wants
Speaker 2: to be a professional surfer. So Ozzie's family live in wa.
Speaker 2: He lives in Queensland at seventeen by himself, just trying
Speaker 2: to get on the world circuit, right, and so he
Speaker 2: wants to be I mean, he wants to be the
Speaker 2: world champion. He wants to be the best surfer in
Speaker 2: the world. Right. So now he's just a young, very
Speaker 2: very good talented athlete who's trying to figure out life
Speaker 2: and food and training and recovery and relationships and how
Speaker 2: to be like a kid but almost a man, not
Speaker 2: quite a man, not really a kid. It's a fucking
Speaker 2: messy time, right, And I was talking to him the
Speaker 2: other day because he missed one of our sessions. I
Speaker 2: love him, by the way, He's such a good kid.
Speaker 2: And he sent me a message, which I'm so proud
Speaker 2: of a seventeen year old sending me a message saying
Speaker 2: can we talk? I'm like, fuck, what's seventeen year old?
Speaker 2: Does that for a start? Right, I'm like, of course
Speaker 2: we can chap. So we had a WhatsApp video call
Speaker 2: for about twenty minutes, and it really occurred to me
Speaker 2: as I was talking to him that while I can
Speaker 2: teach him and coach him and support him, and I do,
Speaker 2: he also needs to go through all the shit himself.
Speaker 2: You know, he needs to get his heart broken three
Speaker 2: times fucking you know, eat some shit like fuck up,
Speaker 2: fall down, you know, get injured, recover, get disappointed, get devastated, win, lose,
Speaker 2: step up, step down, fall over.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, yes, I can teach and coach and support
Speaker 2: and love, but really and that is good. That is good,
Speaker 2: but nothing takes the place of experience. Yeah, Like you
Speaker 2: can take that awareness or that that kind of theoretical understanding.
Speaker 2: It's like if I said to you, hey, TIF when
Speaker 2: you ride your bike, whatever you do, don't do this
Speaker 2: out on the road, Well then you you know, but
Speaker 2: then you've got to go and apply it to benefit
Speaker 2: from that. Ye.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you were talking before, you were describing
Speaker 1: exactly what I hadn't articulated or maybe even recognized. But
Speaker 1: prior to taking that recent trip to India on retreat,
Speaker 1: when people said what are you going for or what
Speaker 1: do you want out of it? My answer was I
Speaker 1: want to get away from all of the things that
Speaker 1: currently influence who I am. I want to leave this
Speaker 1: version of this part of my identity behind. And it
Speaker 1: just so what you were saying landed one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's exactly what I was doing, you know.
Speaker 1: And when I came back, what's interesting is there was
Speaker 1: this huge identity shift because I was able to park that.
Speaker 1: But what was interesting once I remember recently thinking what
Speaker 1: what could I what hobby could I do? Maybe I
Speaker 1: could do something creative or you know, I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, that short little improv workshop,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not a me thing to do,
Speaker 1: because the me thing to do was always I spend
Speaker 1: a million hours in the gym I do my boxing
Speaker 1: and my boxer I do fitness. So there was this
Speaker 1: container around the ideas of what I might do next
Speaker 1: that was boxing myself in to Oh, well, I guess
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu would be the thing because that's almost the same,
Speaker 1: that's what someone like me would do. And it's like,
Speaker 1: hang on.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that peeled away and now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I could do in problem. Maybe I could go
Speaker 1: and do an art course or maybe like what else
Speaker 1: could I do with all that time I now have
Speaker 1: because I'm not doing that side of training?
Speaker 2: Do you know similar to this? You know Lisa Stevenson
Speaker 2: who owns the coach Place, right, you know Lisa? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so Lisa, Happy birthday, Lisa. Lisa's turning fifty on the weekend.
Speaker 2: She probably fucking shoot me dead for saying that. Sorry, Lisa,
Speaker 2: but she's turning fifty on the weekend and she's having
Speaker 2: a big shin dig up in I think Byron Bay
Speaker 2: or something. But so Lisa's been on the show. Everyone
Speaker 2: but Lisa's Lisa's she would admit, you know, she's a
Speaker 2: girly girl, right, She's like or a lady lady right,
Speaker 2: she's you know, fucking hair and makeup and nails and
Speaker 2: you know, fine dining and wine and you know, beautiful
Speaker 2: dresses and fashion, and you know, like she loves all
Speaker 2: that very you know for me, I don't know what
Speaker 2: you call it, but you know that she loves all
Speaker 2: that refinery and all that whatever. And then about might
Speaker 2: be two years ago. Now she rang me and she goes,
Speaker 2: guess what. I go what? She goes, I got my
Speaker 2: motorbike license. And I'm like, yeah, what, I'm like, you what?
Speaker 2: You what? I'm like, No, you didn't that you're not
Speaker 2: a motorbike license. Getting person like you don't get your
Speaker 2: motorbike And what is funny is like I can't remember
Speaker 2: what precipitated it right now. So she's got a she's
Speaker 2: got a scooter, but she's got a big which like
Speaker 2: relatively a big school. She's got a three hundred cc Vespa,
Speaker 2: which is like, considering scooters start at fifty cc, it's
Speaker 2: quite a you know, it's a reasonably powerful scooter, like
Speaker 2: you can comfortably ride on the freeway at one hundred
Speaker 2: or one hundred and ten whatever the limit is, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because she and This is more
Speaker 2: my judgment than anything. You go, oh, she's not that.
Speaker 2: Oh she fucking loves it and it's so not her.
Speaker 2: But she has said so many times one of the
Speaker 2: best things I've ever done, Like how weird is that,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the best things I've ever done
Speaker 2: was I went and got my motorbike license And you know,
Speaker 2: I sent her a message the other day to say,
Speaker 2: you know, happy birthday because she's gone away and all that,
Speaker 2: and yes, she was telling me that her son's got
Speaker 2: a motorbike, one of her sons, and she's just gone
Speaker 2: for a big ride with her son down the coast,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, buck, yeah, you know, I think when
Speaker 2: you open that like even even you know, using it's
Speaker 2: not about motorbikes, but just having a different experience. The
Speaker 2: amount of people. Remember I've had a motorbike on the
Speaker 2: road since I was eighteen, so that's forty three years.
Speaker 2: I've taken more than one hundred people who kind of
Speaker 2: didn't really want to go, but they were a bit curious.
Speaker 2: They were like three out of ten curious, seven out
Speaker 2: of ten terrified, and then they got back there like
Speaker 2: that's it, that's it. I'm getting a motorbike or that's it.
Speaker 2: Take me again? Where can we go? Now? Can you
Speaker 2: take me on the fast one? Now that's what people say,
Speaker 2: can you take because I've got a few motorbikes, I
Speaker 2: take them on the gentle one so we can just tinker.
Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, want to go on the fast one.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't, but you know, but it's funny,
Speaker 2: and the point is just having a new experience can
Speaker 2: like blow your mind.
Speaker 1: But look at how we prime others because of our
Speaker 1: identification of them. So you're the way you speak to
Speaker 1: and treat li, so it keeps her in that identity.
Speaker 1: So you're the motibike guy who she would have conversations
Speaker 1: with and would be reading body language and even on
Speaker 1: a tiny level, that would reinforce her belief that I'm
Speaker 1: not a motorbike person. Yes, yes, we do that and
Speaker 1: intentionally all the time.
Speaker 2: Ah, completely agree, completely agree. And you know a nas
Speaker 2: n in that famous author that I've quoted a thousand times,
Speaker 2: we don't see things as they are. We see things
Speaker 2: as we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know we're.
Speaker 2: Always looking through the tiff lens, the Craig lens, Like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't see reality I don't see reality. I see
Speaker 2: my version of reality. And one of the myriad of
Speaker 2: problems in society today is that everyone thinks that their
Speaker 2: reality is the in inverted commas capital thchg reality. No, dude,
Speaker 2: it's not the reality. That's just how you see it.
Speaker 2: And when you can recognize the distance between your subjective
Speaker 2: interpretation or your story and the otherwise meaningless event or
Speaker 2: situation or whatever, when you can see the space between
Speaker 2: what's happening and your story, then you start to get
Speaker 2: an awareness bigger than you. Then you start to get
Speaker 2: a real kind of self awareness and social awareness and
Speaker 2: situational awareness where you go, ah, I'm just living in
Speaker 2: this fucking room in this mansion, and I think the
Speaker 2: room is the mansion, but it's just the room, you know,
Speaker 2: And then you go, ah, the mansion. You're like fuck.
Speaker 2: Then you get in a drone and you go up
Speaker 2: from the mansion and you realize there are a fucking
Speaker 2: billion mansions and then you zoom out and you go, oh, fuck,
Speaker 2: that's just a billion mansions in one country. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So we're literally living in a fucking drop of water
Speaker 2: in an ocean of possibilities, thinking that our drop of
Speaker 2: water is the fucking ocean.
Speaker 1: And zoom out even further. You just made me visualize
Speaker 1: in my mind sitting at the top of the Himalayas
Speaker 1: and going, fuck, I'm here for a heartbeat. Nothing even matters,
Speaker 1: what the fuck's right, nothing matters. These mountains are going
Speaker 1: to be here for millions, billions, right, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be dead in a moment.
Speaker 2: And we all think we're fucking special, but we're just
Speaker 2: one of eight billion. Yeah, you know, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to be but it's like, not that you're not special,
Speaker 2: but it's like there's another eight billion of here, so
Speaker 2: not that special, you know, same with me. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that you're not special to someone, doesn't mean you're
Speaker 2: not precious to someone, But in the context of humanity,
Speaker 2: you and me are fucking belly button fluff, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And realizing that even becoming aware of this stuff,
Speaker 1: this high level thinking, doesn't excuse you from it. Like
Speaker 1: even when you become aware of your bias, aware of
Speaker 1: choosing your beliefs and your thoughts, you still walk out
Speaker 1: into the street and whatever that current days programming of
Speaker 1: focuses is what you'll see and how you'll think about it,
Speaker 1: and probably and you'll still grapple with parts of it
Speaker 1: that you don't want to be focused on the way
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, or you can go too far the
Speaker 1: other way, like you're still a product of the unconscious thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we me included, you included. We're all biased.
Speaker 2: We think we're not biased. You know. The idea of
Speaker 2: thinking that you are completely open minded and objective demonstrates
Speaker 2: your lack of understanding of how the mind works, because
Speaker 2: you can't be because if you have any pre existing
Speaker 2: ideas or beliefs, or values, or experiences or prejudice or bias,
Speaker 2: which we all do, then you can't be objective. You
Speaker 2: could be more or less objective about certain things that
Speaker 2: you may know more or less about. Like if you
Speaker 2: said to me, harps, I want to tell you what
Speaker 2: is the best fucking way to knit a cardigan? I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm in so I know fucking nothing. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, but if I'm a knitter and I'm all
Speaker 2: over knitting and wool and fucking needles, I'm sorry, ladies
Speaker 2: or men. I apologize even then saying ladies like the
Speaker 2: fuck of course, not only you know, It's like this
Speaker 2: is the thing, you know. It's like we have we
Speaker 2: have so much a programming, like from from now until
Speaker 2: whenever whoever's listening to this, from when you were born,
Speaker 2: or from when you could comprehend anything, from when you
Speaker 2: could process any data on any level, understand on any
Speaker 2: level until these words that I'm saying now, Between then
Speaker 2: and now, you've been program trained, conditioned, And that's cool.
Speaker 2: So have I. And it's not about undoing that. It's
Speaker 2: about recognizing that, you know, because you know, the beginning
Speaker 2: of real awareness, as I've said twenty times on this show,
Speaker 2: is to recognize our lack of awareness. To become more conscious,
Speaker 2: we have to acknowledge how unconscious we are. You know.
Speaker 2: That is the epitome of conscious living. Is to realize
Speaker 2: that you are, day by day, for better or worse,
Speaker 2: consciously or not, shaping and designing and inhabiting your own
Speaker 2: version of reality. Now, whether or not you're making decisions
Speaker 2: or you're just responding to the decisions and behaviors of
Speaker 2: others is the key, because if you are just a
Speaker 2: passenger on the U bus rather than the driver of
Speaker 2: the U bus, then your life will definitely not look
Speaker 2: the way you want it. To look and be the
Speaker 2: way you want it to be. And this is where
Speaker 2: it is so easy when your life already has a
Speaker 2: level of momentum, which every life does. It's like a
Speaker 2: river flowing. Like the river keeps flowing, the river doesn't
Speaker 2: stop like it's flowing, and your life has an energy,
Speaker 2: has a life force, and it continues whether or not
Speaker 2: you're consciously acting upon it or not. You know, you
Speaker 2: get out of bed, everything's still, you know, like the
Speaker 2: coffee shops still there. People are still doing their shit.
Speaker 2: My mum and dad are still getting up in the
Speaker 2: tro valley doing their thing. You're over there and wherever
Speaker 2: the fuck you live, doing what you do, and everything
Speaker 2: keeps I don't know, everything keeps outward, everything keeps happening.
Speaker 2: Done you take me ten years, you know all that
Speaker 2: you know, and we kind of step in and out
Speaker 2: of that inertia, that flow, that energy. But in order
Speaker 2: for you know, for me to go, well how I
Speaker 2: would like my life to look and operate in a
Speaker 2: year from there, well, then I've got to act on
Speaker 2: that flow. I've got to inject my energy into what
Speaker 2: is already there, you know. And this is where we
Speaker 2: start to live intentionally not unintentionally, where we are just
Speaker 2: almost a character in our own story. As I've said
Speaker 2: many times, I feel like we covered some ground.
Speaker 1: I love it. Sometimes I think so deeply about this
Speaker 1: stuff it feels like my brain implodes on itself and
Speaker 1: I have to just pack up and go. Look, just
Speaker 1: go go for a walk. This is where are you're
Speaker 1: even going.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we talk and I think do we actually say
Speaker 2: anything that's going to help anyone? And I think no,
Speaker 2: And then I think, well did we? But it's like
Speaker 2: it's really just without bringing out that old chestnut too much,
Speaker 2: but it's just meta cognition. It's just thinking about how
Speaker 2: we think. It's thinking about how we think. It's thinking
Speaker 2: about how others think. It's having self awareness in the moment.
Speaker 2: You know, if it's been great, and please stop sending
Speaker 2: me photos of puppies for adoption.
Speaker 1: What do you think of this morning? She's a bit curio,
Speaker 1: isn't she.
Speaker 2: Oh she's very cute. She sent me a picture this morning.
Speaker 2: It's a labrador pit no staffy cross.
Speaker 1: You needs a strong handler.
Speaker 2: It needs very cute face.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the body though. I couldn't. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: do you know what I this is probably for off
Speaker 2: the but fuck it, let's do it on the podcast. Hey,
Speaker 2: every one, you're welcome. When I get I should even
Speaker 2: post it in the group. I'll post in the group.
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, it's such a funny looking dog. I'll
Speaker 2: send it to you. You will send me back ten
Speaker 2: laughing faces. It's a cross between a Labrador, so it
Speaker 2: looks exactly like a lab right lab face, lab coat,
Speaker 2: and a corgy. So it's like a lab that's fucking
Speaker 2: three inches off the ground. You know those cars where
Speaker 2: they take out the springs and they lower them. It's
Speaker 2: like the labrador that's been taken into the shop and lowered,
Speaker 2: and he's instead of his legs being like a foot long,
Speaker 2: they're like fucking three inches. Oh it's the cutest, weirdest
Speaker 2: looking thing ever.
Speaker 1: When I was little, I had a dog called Rocky
Speaker 1: and it was I don't know what it was, but
Speaker 1: maybe across a dashhound cross, beagle cross, maybe Jack Russells.
Speaker 1: Had this stumpy, big long body and these two stupid
Speaker 1: little legs that it couldn't hold with a kind of
Speaker 1: a Jack russelly but round a face. God, he was cool.
Speaker 1: I taught him to beg too, you know, they've got
Speaker 1: the long bodies and he looks so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going to send I'm going to send
Speaker 2: this to you on air right now, just because I
Speaker 2: want you to Oh my god, I want you to
Speaker 2: have a look in real time. I'm going to send
Speaker 2: it to Team typ send. This is a terrible thing
Speaker 2: to do. And if you're ever hosting a podcast, anyone,
Speaker 2: it's gone to you. Do you ever host ever.
Speaker 1: Host exactly the body shape of Rocky?
Speaker 2: How cute is that little motherfucker? Look at him?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, s cross labrador for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. That's what it says, corgy cross labrador,
Speaker 2: and they call them a corgodor. Oh god, look at
Speaker 2: his little face and his weirdy little legs. We want
Speaker 2: to squash his Oh all right, everybody that'll do over
Speaker 2: and out.