1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Cook, Good morning, Harper be all right morning, I'm very good. Thanks. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: What have you been doing? 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Just obsessing over my new toy if I'm honest? 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Oh god, does the world need another conversation about your 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: motorbike and your new muffler, your new loud motorbike. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: I had to ring my uncle right before bed just 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: to tell him I was excited for tomorrow just to 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: get up and find a minute to ride it again. 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: That's your uncle who's also a revheaders That correct? 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: That is correct? Because no one else, no one else 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: in not very few in my world, get it. None 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: my girlfriends are going to give me the response I need? 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Are they? And your boyfriend who you say, isn't your 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: boyfriend that owns the Indian? That isn't your boyfriend? And 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: inverted commons? That guy has he seen has he heard 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: it yet? 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: Of course, of course yes. 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: I had to go straight round and give it a rev. 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. And what about the motorbike. 21 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: After Greig? No, don't be silly. 22 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: Two birds, one stone boom, What are you? What are 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: you going to come out of the out of the 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: darkness and into the light with that relationship? We're all 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: I think you've evolved enough now we're all we're all 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: grown up. 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: It's okay, there's no relationship. 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: There's no relationship. Does he know that? 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: Ship? 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: Does he know that? 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Usually my relationships or imaginary harps, you know that, friends, 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 1: imaginary husbands, that's where I do my best relationship work 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: in my imagination, in. 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: The theoretical world. But here in the physical world. Fucking nightmare. 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well. 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: You know it's I think we can leave the the 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: intimate and romantic relationships to the rest of the world. 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: They all seem to be. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: They've got covered. 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've done a little bit of. 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: I've been doing some extra curricular coaching lately because of 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: my mentoring group, and everyone in the mentor and group 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: gets a one off sessh. 44 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 45 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: Need to be careful what I say next, because I'm 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: not talking about any particular individual and no one knows. 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 2: But let's just say that, by and large, not too 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: many people are saying to me, oh, my relationship, that's terrific. 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: It's not too many people that when we have a 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 2: chat about the you know, the old partner, that's it's 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: all glowing. In fact, quite often, Oh it's tough, isn't it. 52 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: It's a very fucking that's why you and I have 53 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: dodged that for a long time. Maybe I don't know 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: if we're smart or dumb. 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: I reckon relationships are funny because I reckon there's something 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: that we don't realize, the work that's involved with them, 57 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: and we want them to make us feel good. And 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: unless they just naturally do meet us where we're at 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and make us feel good, we just say they're shit 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: or you know, like they're like everything else, like everything else, 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: everything other area of our life. Usually when we want 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: to make it better, we're ready to do the work 63 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: for us. But usually, yeah, it's only people that are 64 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: quite evolved that go, I need to work on me 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: or me and my relationship, me and my relationship. 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that is quite quite insightful for the motorbike 67 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: Riding Revent with all the commitment issues. 68 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: It hasn't had a relationship for forty two years. 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: That's all right, No, it's true though, but also both 70 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: but if there's only one person who has that mindset, 71 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: then that's not going to work either because both people 72 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: need to be able to go, well, look, this is 73 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: not a perfect relationship, which is normal. That's fine, and 74 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, and you're not perfect, but let's individual 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: and collectively work better or work consciously to whatever do 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: better too, you know. And by the way, is this 77 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: something that we want to genuinely want to be in 78 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: for the next however many years, or might we be 79 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: better to amicably go our separate ways, or you know, 80 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: like I think staying in My religious friends won't like 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: me saying this, but fuck it. I think staying in 82 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: a relationship through some sense of guilt or obligation or 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. There are a myriad of variables around this, 84 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: of course, and I'm not talking about a banning in 85 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: kids or of course it's really tough, but if it's 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: just you and the other person and no kids, and 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: then staying in that when it ain't healthy or when 88 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: it's somewhat toxic. But again, it's easier said than done, 89 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: and there are a lot of complications for people. I 90 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: don't know why we opened that door, but I tell 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 2: you what door we did open. Last time, had you 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 2: and I had a chat, Do you remember we spoke 93 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: about this idea of cults of thought and you said, 94 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: I want to I want to have a chat about that. 95 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were finishing on something profound. What was the 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: point we got to where I was like, let's talk 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: about that. 98 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think we were talking about the way that 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: we all see, you know, which we've spoken about many times, 100 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: but the way that we all see the world through 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 2: our lens, our filter, all of that. And also, you 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:33,559 Speaker 2: know very much when when you believe something emphatically, then 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: you absolutely want that to be true because your belief 104 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: and your identity and your confidence usually all intertwined. And 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: if that belief, if that belief turns out to be bullshit, 106 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: then that can be very distressing emotionally and psychologically for 107 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: people and even spiritually because they believed that was almost 108 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: the basis for how they did life, and then you 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 2: find out that thing is is perhaps not what you thought. 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: But so I wrote a little something that I'm going 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: to read right which I'm I'm turning into a video 112 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: later today. I've decided to do a couple of little videos. 113 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: Did you see my little step up video that I did? 114 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: Sure did in the oasis. 115 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, out in the bloody the jungle that is my 116 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: front yard. It's like, it's funny when you and I'll 117 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: come back to thought cults in a moment, but I 118 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, it hasn't gone viral, but I 119 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: think on you know, collectively on Facebook and instrum, it's 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: nearly twenty thousand views or something. And I'm like, it's funny, 121 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: how just doing this little simple exercise where you're lifting 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: yourself up onto a step, a high step in this case. 123 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: And then you go, well, this is working all the 124 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: same muscles that you're doing at the gym when you're 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: doing a squat in a rack or a you know, 126 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: a leg press or a hack squad or and it's 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: working your ass, it's working your quads, it's working your hamstrings. 128 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: It's hip flexion, hip extension, neflexion, the extension. It's all 129 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: the same anatomical movements. It's all the same muscles. And 130 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: you don't need any equipment. You don't need to go anywhere. 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: And I had a few people send me emails, God, 132 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: that's fucking so good, and I'm like, yeah, and that's 133 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: so simple. Not the video is so good, but just 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: that they go, oh, I don't need to I don't 135 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: need to go to a gym. Like if you can 136 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: go to a gym, it's good. But we can build 137 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: strength real strength and real function pretty much with zero equipment. 138 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: What was really really interesting about that or good about 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: that video is that you couldn't get a more simple 140 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: exercise and you could google and like people, it's nothing. 141 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: No one didn't know how to do. But what's great 142 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: about it is information is not application, but the information 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: you provided gives people a level of empowerment to be 144 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: driven to do it because they get this understanding. It 145 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: is quite scientific behind stepping up and down on a 146 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: fucking yeah, And I find that interesting. Like google any 147 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: at home workout and you get lunges or step ups. 148 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: No one's running out doing them. Put a video up 149 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: that empowers people to give a little bit more understanding 150 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: and they want to buy into the process now. 151 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: And you think, like if you zoom out and you 152 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: ask one hundred people, Hey, how many of you would 153 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: like to have a stronger lower body? Like who's going 154 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: to go No, who's going to go No? I want 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: to be weak. I want to be wobbly. I want 156 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: a saggy ass, I want weak, skinny fucking legs. You 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: know who wants that? Nobody wants that. Yeah, Like you go, well, 158 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: here's here's something that's free. It doesn't require much skill. 159 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: And by the way, if this what I'm demonstrating is 160 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: too hard, then make it lower. And if that's too hard, 161 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: make it lower again. And then when you get good 162 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: at that low one, make it a little higher, and 163 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: then over time graduate to this. And then even with 164 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: the one that I did, which is quite a high 165 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: step a little bit above knee height, you can still 166 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: vary the speed. You can still hold some dumbbells or 167 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: hold a kettle bell, or or if you don't have 168 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: any of that, I can you know, carry some a 169 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: bag of grocery. It doesn't matter. Like you could do 170 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: more reps. You can slow it right down. You know, 171 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: there are so many ways to create that kind of 172 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: training effect and that adaptive response without No, you don't 173 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: need to be a fucking biomechanist or a physiologist or 174 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: a gym owner. You don't need a gym membership. But 175 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: if you do this movement that works this muscle, these muscles, 176 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: and you do it the right way, and you don't 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: just do it for two days, but you do it 178 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: all the days like you do it the next one 179 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: hundred days, you're going to have an ass like a 180 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: fucking Olympic athlete. 181 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: Well you think about you know, some people would go, oh, 182 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: you can't build a lot of muscle with body weight, 183 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: But then okay, we'll break your ankle and once you 184 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: get your cast off in six months, have a look 185 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: at the size of one of your legs just from 186 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: walking on it. 187 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent. I guess, like one 188 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: of the things. And this wasn't what I intend to 189 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: talk about. We'll go to thought cults in a moment. 190 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: But like when you do any movement, it's like when you, 191 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 2: for example, if someone does a push up against the bench, 192 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: you know where they're feeder on the ground, and you go, 193 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: I'm leaning against the bench which is weight waist height. Well, 194 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: now you're doing essentially a version of a push up 195 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: or a bench press, like biomechanically and anatomically, like what's 196 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: happening when you do a push up is almost identical, 197 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: just slightly different angle to what you're doing when you 198 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: do a bench press. Now, if you can go, well 199 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: I can't do push ups cool? Or can you do 200 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: them against the wall, which is a very modified version. 201 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: Then can you lower your hands so it's a bit harder? 202 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Then can you do it on a kitchen bench. Cool. Now, 203 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: can you do it on a stool? Now? Can you 204 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: maybe do them on the floor from your knees? Now? 205 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: Can you maybe do them from your feet? But just 206 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: do a little movement and then eventually you graduate to 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: where you're doing, you know, a highly modified, intense version 208 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: of the same movement, where now you've got one foot 209 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: up on a chair and the other one in free space, 210 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: and you're doing a push up and you're taking your 211 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: chest to the ground and you're holding it for a 212 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: count of five and then exploding up. So you're still 213 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 2: doing the same movement in a different way. But what 214 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: you're doing is you're increasing stress on the muscle. In 215 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: other words, you're progressing the overload so that your body 216 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: has to adapt. But we can get one simple exercise 217 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: that everyone understands, like a squat or a step up 218 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: or a push up, and manipulate that motherfucker. So there's 219 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: fifty different versions you could give me an elite athlete. 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: I could train them in my front yard with no 221 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: equipment and absolutely exhaust them and they get up tomorrow 222 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: and they're sow as fuck because they've done an intense 223 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: workout and something that's a bit different saw in a 224 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: good way, not a bad way everyone, you know. So, 225 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: but the thing is that a lot of and this 226 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: is true for everything, Like back to your thing about 227 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: working on a relationship, it's like, it's really, well, will 228 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: you just do that work? Because going out into my 229 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: front yard doing step ups it's not sexy, you know, 230 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: it's not glamorous. It's not like I'm in the gym 231 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: using a million bucks worth of equipment with you know, 232 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: all the music pumping and all the fucking razzle dazzle. 233 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 2: I'm just out there in the bamboo on my pat malone, 234 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: you know, me and the pandas in the bamboo. 235 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all right, all right. 236 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: So we spoke about this idea of a thought cult, 237 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: and so let me read to you what I wrote, 238 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: which I'm going to turn into maybe into a video today, 239 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: and then we can just kind of riff off that. 240 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: So thought cults are groups of all kinds religious, social, political, corporate, scientific, spiritual, 241 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 2: where your membership in inverted commas to that group is 242 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: dependent on your willingness to agree, to align and to 243 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: conform to a prevailing philosophy, ideology, theology, and or set 244 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: of rules rituals and behaviors, without question, without dissension, and 245 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: without hesitation, to leave your critical thinking, your discernment, and 246 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: your instinct at the door, in other words, kind of 247 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: to put your brain in a jar and go, I'm 248 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: not going to think. I'll let them think and whatever 249 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: they think, whatever the group thinks. So it's that consensual thing. 250 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: Your membership to the thought cult is contingent or dependent 251 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: on your willingness to live in the echo chamber, to 252 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: be more like them and less like you, to reject 253 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: any idea or information that doesn't align with the prevailing doctrine, 254 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: in other words, the way the group thinks, the way 255 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: the group operates, what the group believes, and we have 256 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: very much. And I've been in these environments. I've been 257 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: in these thought cults where if you don't believe, if 258 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: you don't conform, if you if you have an idea 259 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: or a thought that doesn't fit in, you're you know, 260 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: you're at the very least criticized or discouraged and potentially punished. 261 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: The objective of all thought cults is to disempower and 262 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: control you, to convince you that you are not enough, 263 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: and that life outside the thought cult is certain death, 264 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: not a literal death than a spiritual, social, psychological, and 265 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: or emotional death. We are social creatures and pack animals 266 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: and cult leaders prey on this very human inclination for 267 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: us to want to be part of something, for us 268 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: to belong, for us to be part of group. So, 269 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: if you belong to a group of any kind where 270 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: you are discouraged, criticized, or even punished for thinking for yourself, 271 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: for not agreeing, or for not being more like them 272 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: than you are in a thought cult, and if you're 273 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: in one, get out, And if you're not in one, 274 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: don't fucking join. It's true, isn't it? And there are 275 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: true you think about that in all contexts, even at 276 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: a fucking dinner. Oh I don't believe you voted for 277 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: X y Z. What the fuck's wrong with you? 278 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: Well? 279 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: How can you eat meat? You don't you know what 280 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: your mother? I'm like, cool, you be a verigan. I'm not. 281 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make you eat meat. Please, don't 282 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: try to make me eat fucking tofu. It's okay. We 283 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: can coexist. I don't need to be like you. I 284 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: don't need to agree with you, and you don't need 285 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: to be like me. And you don't need to agree 286 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: with me, but I don't need to criticize you for 287 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: your individual choices, And you don't need to criticize me 288 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: or try to manipulate or control me into a certain 289 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: way of thinking, because that's how you think. But that 290 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: is very much how it works in the world, having. 291 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: An understanding that that is operating beneath the surface in everything. 292 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: And I was talking about it yesterday and sorry to 293 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: bring the bike up again, but that idea that when 294 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: you're writing down the freeway and you ride past another 295 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: rider of a NOD because there's this whole little club 296 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: going on, it's like, oh, you're a writer. And I 297 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: thought to myself, the same thing doesn't happen when someone's 298 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: driving the same car as you. But when I thought 299 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: about that, I think about the time and I'm pulling 300 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: up at work in my Toyota CHR and sometimes my 301 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: client ten is pulling up in her Toyo to CHR. 302 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: And if I think about that, there is a recognition 303 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: and almost a level of connection that I kind of 304 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: feel and go, oh, we like kind of we're the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 305 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: something really minor and you have to really tune into it. 306 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: But that's happening all the time with everything we do. 307 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: Mmmm. And that's like that's good awareness. And look, I mean, 308 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: by the way, there's nothing wrong with belonging to a group. 309 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: Like we have a group page for the You Project. 310 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: We've got three and a half thousand members in our cult. 311 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: You're a. 312 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: But I'm always saying, always, don't believe me because you 313 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: like me, or believe me if you want, or agree 314 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: with me if you want. Once you do your own 315 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: thinking and your own research, and your own trial and 316 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: error and your own kind of whatever, your own work. 317 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: Like I'm what I'm going to do is I'm going 318 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: to get on podcasts and I'm going to talk about 319 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: how I think shit works the end. This is how 320 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: I think humans work. This is how I think bodies work. 321 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: This is how I think you can train at home 322 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: with no equipment. This is you know, this is how 323 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: I think a podcast could be done in a way 324 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: to build connection with people. Let's make it organic, let's 325 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: have a conversation, let's not script it, and we might 326 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: even create a plan that we don't fucking follow. Well 327 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: done us, right, But and I would encourage people to 328 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: challenge what I think, but not criticize just like, well, 329 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: if you want to criticize, you can, But I mean 330 00:18:51,840 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: there's people criticize for the sake of criticizing versus all right, well, 331 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: you think A and I think B. And while I 332 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: don't agree with you, that's okay. But nothing in me 333 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 2: is compelled to try to psychologically or emotionally leverage you 334 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: to make you think the way that I think you 335 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: should think. Like the moment that that shit happens, and 336 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 2: that shit happens all the time, alarm bell should be 337 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: going off. And I mean this happens in families where 338 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: everybody's got to think the same way and believe the 339 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: same way, and we've all got to no, no, we 340 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 2: all have to get together at Christmas and we all 341 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: have to do this, and there's going to be a 342 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: fucking Chris Kringle and whatever. Right, that's very simple, you know, 343 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: like whatever, it's cool and like I guess some things 344 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: we go, look, it's not worth fucking ruffling any feathers 345 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm in. But then there are other things where you go, oh, 346 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, like that's actually going 347 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: to impact my life in some way, that's going to 348 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 2: impact the decisions I make. That's going to impact how 349 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: I eat, or how I move my body, or how 350 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: I do relationships, or who I vote for, or the 351 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: kind of lifestyle that I create. If I have to, 352 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: if I have to tick all of these boxes to 353 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: stay in this group, and some of those boxes I 354 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: don't want to tick. I want to cross or you can't, Craig, 355 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: you can't cross that. You need to tick that, because 356 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: that's that's the price of admission, and that's the price 357 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: of membership. 358 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: So you know, it's like when you when you think 359 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: that that if you don't belong or when you think that. 360 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: For example, if you do have your own opinion which 361 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: doesn't align with the prevailing whatever, then you're going to 362 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: in inverted commas get in trouble. Well that's a problem. 363 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: That's a problem. It's like I just spoke to Vin. 364 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: By the way, Vin said to say loo to you. 365 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: I i'van to Vinn and like he's he's one of 366 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: my favorite people in the whole fucking world. I love him. 367 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: And Hey and I are really different. We're really different. 368 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: We don't agree on everything. His dad, he's a granddad, 369 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: he's got three kids. He's like a tradesman, he's an electrician. 370 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: He's a blokey bloke. He lives in the country. He 371 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: lives on fucking you know property, well not anymore actually, 372 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: but you know, the whole kind of and he tongue 373 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: in cheek. But for a long time he was basical. 374 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: He used to look at my life and go, that's 375 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: not a real job. That's not a job, dude. That 376 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: thing that you do not a job. 377 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 4: And like he's he kind of thinks that he doesn't 378 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 4: really like but it's like to him and I get it, 379 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 4: and I get it, and I look at the way 380 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: that he does life, I'm like, I would not I 381 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 4: would not enjoy what you do because I'm not. 382 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: Passionate about that. I don't want to do that. I 383 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: don't have I don't have that kind of brain, I 384 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: don't have those kind of skills. I don't want to 385 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: be in that kind of environment. And that's not because 386 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: he's doing anything wrong. That's because I'm not Vin, and 387 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: Vin's not me. But we can have disparate or divergent ideas, 388 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: divergent beliefs, divergent lifestyle, but still have convergence of love 389 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: and connection and friendship and respect. But where it seems 390 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: like we're starting to live in a culture where we 391 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: all have to think the fucking same thing to be 392 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: friends or to love each other or respect each other. 393 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I wonder what my life would look like if I 394 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: had this awareness when I was late teens and just 395 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, leaving school and deciding what was going to 396 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: be my life life. Because even with all the decisions 397 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: I've made, and especially in later years, when I feel 398 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: like I've done things, really i've really done things differently 399 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: in my way, I haven't. Really. When I look at it, 400 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm still bound by so much conditioning of 401 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: this is what your options are now? Your options are 402 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: anything in the world. Your options are like, yeah, sell 403 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: up everything and buy a camper van and travel around 404 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: the loneliest of the country and do podcasts from here 405 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: and there and work in cafes along, Like that's an option. Well. 406 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: I spoke to a guy called Damon Hayhow last week 407 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: who was on the show, and Damon, did you do that? No? 408 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: You didn't do that one with me? 409 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: No? 410 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: And Damon's Diamond's a fucking that episode's called the Shitsterer 411 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: because he's a shitsterer, but he's the opposite of a conformist, 412 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: you know, and he's like, nah, doesn't work, Nah, don't 413 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: believe it. Nah, you know. And in Covid he moved 414 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: to the other side of the world and just he 415 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: found a place where he could, you know, for him, 416 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: live how he wants to live. And now he lives 417 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: in Georgia, which orders Russia. And it was just so 418 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: interesting talking to somebody who's just you know, and not 419 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: just for the sake of being different, but has chosen 420 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: his own kind of has his own ideology and philosophy, 421 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: and he just lives that. I don't have his ideology 422 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: or philosophy in terms of the exact same model as him. 423 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: But nonetheless we could get together on a show, respect 424 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: each other. I think he likes me, I like him. 425 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: We got on great and it's I find it fucking 426 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: fascinating to talk to people who don't live like me, 427 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 2: think like me necessarily look through the Craig window, which 428 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: is everyone, of course. But you know, and back to 429 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: that old chestnut, seek first to understand. It doesn't say 430 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: seek first to agree, seek first to be like, seek 431 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: first to judge. It says seek first, just to fucking understand. 432 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: When you look at what the decisions you've made. Do 433 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: you think you have the most part operated from a 434 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: place of getting away from what you don't want or 435 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: being or chasing what you do want. 436 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I couldn't really quantify that, but 437 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: I would. I don't know, but I think, I mean, 438 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: I do talk about this concept which you've heard me 439 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: talk about, of anti goals. So sometimes when I would like, 440 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: I remember when I would first start doing kind of 441 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: facilitating goal setting with people back in the day when 442 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: I really was fucking I don't know, I wouldn't have 443 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: paid to sit with me, but curiously, some people I 444 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: would have fucking paid not to sit with me. But anyway, 445 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: I was making shit up as I went. But I 446 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: do remember having, you know, some mild success with people 447 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: and sitting with people going all right, so and this 448 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: is this was around, you know, when I owned gyms, 449 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: And of course we would sit and have a consult 450 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: and talk about all the fundamentals of you know, food 451 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: and exercise, lifestyle and lifting heavy shits and changing their 452 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: body and micros and macros and body composition and wait 453 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: and all of those variables. And then but more broadly, 454 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 2: we'd zoom out to kind of life and happiness and 455 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 2: purpose and like building a lifestyle, and like even like 456 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: doing a job which is good for your health, Like 457 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: even think about that, Like is your job good for 458 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: your health? There's a fucking podcast right there. And I 459 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: used to say to people like, do you think overall, physically, mentally, 460 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: emotionally your job is good for your health, bad for 461 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: your health, or kind of in between, And more than 462 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: half of the people would go, it's from a mental 463 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: and emotional point of view, it's not good because I 464 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: don't love it. I don't like it. It's it's you know, 465 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: all of those kinds of things. So I'd end up 466 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: having philosophical conversations in answer to your question about what 467 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: they wanted. And I would say, so, you know, like 468 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 2: what would be ideal for you? What would be your 469 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: dream job or your dream situation or your dream environment 470 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: or whatever. And obviously, as I would have many times 471 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: through my journey, they go, I don't know, Like I 472 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: just know I don't want to be here. I don't 473 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: have absolute clarity. I'm like, good, well, that's a starting point. 474 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 2: Could we do the opposite? Could we figure out what 475 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: you don't want? Right? And this is the process of 476 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: like anti GOALSI, okay, do you want to wear a suit? 477 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: If you asked me this, I would have gone no. 478 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: If you had have said to me, do you want 479 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: to work in an office? No? Okay? Good, well that 480 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: cuts out a fucking million jobs? Right? Do you want 481 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: to work nine to five or a version of that? 482 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 4: No? 483 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: Cool? Do you want to work in the CBD? 484 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: No? 485 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: Right? Do you want to have Do you want to 486 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: sit in a fucking cubicle with fluo's buzzing above your head? No? Good? Okay? 487 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: Do you want to be a tradesman? No? Okay? Do 488 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 2: you want to fix engines and shit? Nah? Right? So 489 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: then you kind of get down and you go, well, 490 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: what do I fucking want? Well, like, I'm kind of creative, 491 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious, I'm kind of you know, so, 492 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: so I think that kind of for me, I was 493 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: early days kind of moving away from conformity and moving 494 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: away from tradition and typical, you know, and not not 495 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: because I wanted to be different or atypical, but just 496 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 2: because what was the norm, what was typical, what was 497 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 2: common held zero appeal to me, Like the idea of 498 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: just turning up for work, doing a job, having a 499 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: boss in an environment, playing a particular role or a 500 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: version of a particular role for the foreseeable fucking future. 501 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: I'd rather punch myself in the face. I'd rather make 502 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: half the money and do something that excited me. 503 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: I reckon, our mind limits our ability to even recognize 504 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: or think of the go to the what do I 505 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: want to be? It's really easy to know what to 506 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: identify what I definitely don't want. But I reckon most 507 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: people get lost because we go, well, I don't know, 508 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: but there's this umbrella over our brain's capacity to let 509 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: you think of all the opportunities that are actually available 510 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: to you, because there's so many limitations of our But 511 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm not this, I'm not that. And also, and for 512 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: that reason, there's a lot of things we've never tried. 513 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: I'd never tried podcasting. I didn't know how much I 514 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: was going to love it till one day I just 515 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: tried it. So I think trying different things is really powerful. 516 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a really good point. 517 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: Think about this. I want you to think about this 518 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: for a moment. So I have a mansion. In this analogy, 519 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: I have a mansion, and there's there's a hundred bedrooms 520 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: there's one hundred recreational rooms, there's a gym, there's fucking playgrounds. 521 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: It's the biggest house in the world. Fuck, it's amazing 522 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: this house. Right, And you have been living in one 523 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: room your whole life. You've been in one room, and 524 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: in that room, it's pretty good. In that room. You know, 525 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: you can do lots of shit, and you can eat, 526 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: and you can live, and you can look on the 527 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: internet and you can have limited experiences. Right, But all 528 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: you have to do is open the fucking door to 529 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: the room. And there are a thousand other rooms. There 530 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: are all these rooms. I believe that most people's brain, 531 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: and most people's thinking, and most people's existence is a 532 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: version of that. We all have access to this myriad 533 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: of rooms and spaces and places and options and lessons. 534 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: But we stay in a room. We stay in a 535 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: metaphoric room. We live in our little box. We don't 536 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: get outside the box, and we think our box is 537 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: the world. 538 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: If you that's so good. That is the best analogy. 539 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: If you were me, from what you know of me, 540 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: what door would you open in that mansion? 541 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: I just think, I don't like I just think having 542 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: new and different experiences, like I truly think this. Hanging 543 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: out with people who are not like you, hanging out 544 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: with people who do not think like you, hanging out 545 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 2: with people from different cultures and religions and mindsets, not 546 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: so that you become them, but so you get away 547 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: from a version of you. Most of us hang out 548 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: with a version of us. Ergo confirmation bias, Ergo the 549 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: echo chamber, ergo the cult of thought. Back to our 550 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: starting point. Right, But when I mean, he's not there anymore. 551 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 2: But there used to be a guy called Muhammed across 552 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: the road who worked in the cafe, who's a Muslim, 553 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: And every day I would go get my coffee and 554 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 2: I would say to him, teach me something from the Quran, 555 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: or teach me something. Teach me like some kind of 556 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 2: principle from your faith. Right, because I grew up a Christian, 557 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: I grew up I've given like I've opened the Buddhism 558 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: door for a little bit of a squizz. I've opened 559 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: quite a few doors. But I want to just And 560 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: it's not because oh I want to become a Muslim, 561 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: or I want to become a Buddhist, or I'm looking 562 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: into atheism, or oh I'm going to dive back into whatever. 563 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: It's like. No, here's a person who has a different culture, 564 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: different life, a different way of living, different thoughts. I 565 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: just want to pull back the curtain and see what's 566 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: in his mind, right, seek first to understand. And so 567 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: I think. I think when we have new experiences and 568 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: do new things, like, out of that, not always, but 569 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: sometimes out of that we go, oh my god, how 570 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: long has this been here? Like for me doing a 571 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: PhD and it you know, and I don't say that 572 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: with any arrogance, because I'm not, by the way, everyone 573 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: in case you didn't get, I'm not very good at it, right, 574 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm I'm a fucking if they hand it out like 575 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: ABC D in which they don't in p I'm a 576 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: C student, right, I just fucking I just you know, 577 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: stumble along. But for me, it's like, oh, there's a 578 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: whole new world of people that are not like the 579 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: people that I usually hang out with, and they're really cool, 580 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: Like they're kind of geeks, but they're cool. They're cool geeks, 581 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: and they're not like me. And I'm not like them, 582 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: and I'm not better or worse. I'm just not them, 583 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: and they're not better or worse they're just not me, 584 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: but I can learn from them. You know, you think 585 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: about and you've met Chris and Odko. Chris is my 586 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: senior supervisor in my PhD. He speaks six languages. He 587 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: was born in Romania. He grew up in Russia, not 588 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: Romanian Mongoli, and grew up in Russia and France. He's 589 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: got two PhDs. He's a professor. His wife, od Co, 590 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: also is a PhD. She's a doctor and doing another PhD. 591 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: They are so nothing like me, as you well know. 592 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm at one end of what it is 593 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 2: to be a human scale. They're at the other end. 594 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 2: But I fucking love them and they are so good 595 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: for me because they're nothing like me. Their humor is 596 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 2: not like mine, their personality, the way they communicate their language, 597 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: the way they think, the way they do life, you know, 598 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 2: and it's amazing. It's amazing, Like I don't want to 599 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 2: hang out with people like me. I fucking spend too 600 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: much time with myself anyway. You know. It's like, yeah, 601 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: and I think that that willingness to stop trying to 602 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: find people who tell you what you're not you I'm 603 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: talking in general, stop trying to find people who make 604 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: you feel better about yourself. That's just fear and insecurity 605 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: by people who disagree with you. And then go, what 606 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 2: is that about. I'm not talking about people who are 607 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, violent and fucking outspoken and aggressive. I'm not 608 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: talking about that. I'm just talking about, Oh, I believe 609 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: this and you believe that. Can I just can we 610 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: have a chat? What is that about? And you know, 611 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: back to your other question about young you. I was 612 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: just going to say, I'll shut up after this. So 613 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: one of the people in my mentoring group as a 614 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: young guy called Ozzie, and I think I can say that. 615 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: And Ozzie wants to be a professional surfer. So Ozzie's 616 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: family live in wa he lives in Queensland at seventeen 617 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: by himself, just trying to get on the world circuit, right, 618 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: and so he wants to be I mean, he wants 619 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: to be the world champion. He wants to be the 620 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 2: best surfer in the world. Right. So now he's just 621 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: a young, very very good, very talented athlete who's trying 622 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 2: to figure out life and food and training and recovery 623 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: and relationships and how to be like a kid but 624 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 2: almost a man, not quite a man. Not really a kid. 625 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 2: It's a fucking messy time, right. And I was talking 626 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: to him the other day because he missed one of 627 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 2: our sessions. I love him, by the way, He's such 628 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 2: a good kid. And he sent me a message, which 629 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of a seventeen year old sending me 630 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: a message saying can we talk? I'm like, fuck, what's 631 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: seventeen year old? Does that for a star? Right, I'm like, 632 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: course we can chat. So we had a WhatsApp video 633 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 2: call for about twenty minutes, and it really occurred to 634 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: me as I was talking to him that while I 635 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: can teach him and coach him and support him and 636 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: I do, he also needs to go through all the 637 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: shit himself. Yeah, you know, he needs to get his 638 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 2: heart broken three times fucking you know, eat some shit 639 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 2: like fuck up, fall down, you know, get injured, recover, 640 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: get disappointed, get devastated, win, lose, step up, step down, 641 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 2: fall over. 642 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: You know. 643 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 2: It's like, yes, I can teach and coach and support 644 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: and love, but really and that is good. That is good, 645 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 2: but nothing takes the place of experience. Yeah, like you 646 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 2: can take that awareness or that that kind of theoretical understanding. 647 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 2: It's like if I said to you, hey, TIF, when 648 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 2: you ride your bike, whatever you do, don't do this 649 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 2: out on the road, well then you you know, but 650 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 2: then you've got to go and apply it to benefit 651 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 2: from that. 652 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you were talking before, you were describing 653 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: exactly what I hadn't articulated or maybe even recognized. But 654 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: prior to taking that recent trip to India on retreat, 655 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: when people said what are you going for or what 656 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: do you want out of it? My answer was I 657 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: want to get away from all of the things that 658 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: currently influence who I am. I want to leave this 659 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: version of this part of my identity behind. And it 660 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: just so what you were saying landed one hundred percent. 661 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: I was like, that's exactly what I was doing, you know. 662 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: And when I came back, what's interesting is there was 663 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: this huge identity shift because I was able to park that. 664 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: But what was interesting once I remember recently thinking what 665 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: what could I what hobby could I do? Maybe I 666 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: could do something creative or you know, I really enjoyed 667 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, that short little improv workshop, 668 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not a me thing to do, 669 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: because the me thing to do was always I spend 670 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: a million hours in the gym. I do my boxing 671 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: and my boxer I do fitness. So there was this 672 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: container around the ideas of what I might do next 673 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,280 Speaker 1: that was boxing myself in to Oh, well, I guess 674 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu would be the thing, because that's almost the same, 675 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: that's what someone like me would do. 676 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 2: And it's like, hang on, ah, that's so interesting. 677 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that peeled away and now I'm like, oh, 678 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: like I could do in problem. Maybe I could go 679 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: and do an art course or maybe like what else 680 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: could I do with all that time I now have 681 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: because I'm not doing that side of training? 682 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: Do you know similar to this? You know Lisa Stevenson 683 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 2: who owns the coach Place, right, you know Lisa? Yeah, 684 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 2: so Lisa, Happy birthday, Lisa. Lisa's turning fifty on the weekend. 685 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 2: She probably fucking shoot me dead for saying that, Sorry, Lisa, 686 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 2: but she's turning fifty on the weekend and she's having 687 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: a big shin dig up in I think Byron Bay 688 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: or something. But so Lisa's been on the show. Everyone 689 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 2: but Lisa's Lisa's She would admit, you know, she's a 690 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 2: girly girl, right, She's like or a lady. Right, she's 691 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 2: you know, fucking hair and makeup and nails and you know, 692 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 2: fine dining and wine and you know, beautiful dresses and 693 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: fashion and you know, like she loves all that very 694 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 2: you know for me, I don't know what you call it, 695 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 2: but you know that that she loves all that refinery 696 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 2: and all that whatever. And then about it might be 697 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: two years ago. Now she rang me and she goes, 698 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: guess what. I go what she goes, I got my 699 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: motorbike license. And I'm like, yeah, what, I'm like, you 700 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 2: what you what? I'm like, No, you didn't that you're 701 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: not a motorbike license? Getting person like you don't get 702 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 2: your motorbike. And what is funny is like I can't 703 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 2: remember what precipitated it right now. So she's got a 704 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: she's got a scooter, but she's got a big which 705 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 2: like relatively a big scoot. She's got a three hundred 706 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: cc Vespa, which is like, considering scooters start at fifty cc, 707 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 2: it's quite a you know, it's a reasonably powerful scooter, 708 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: like you can comfortably ride on the freeway at one 709 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 2: hundred or one hundred and ten whatever the limit is, right, Yeah, 710 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 2: And it's so funny because she and this is more 711 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 2: my judgment than anything. You go, oh, she's not that. 712 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 2: Oh she fucking loves it, and it's so not her. 713 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 2: But she has said so many times one of the 714 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 2: best things I've ever done, Like how weird is that, 715 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: you know, one of the best things I've ever done 716 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 2: was I went and got my motorbike license and you know, 717 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 2: I sent her a message the other day to say, 718 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 2: you know, happy birthday because she's gone away and all that. 719 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 2: And yes, she was telling me that her son's got 720 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 2: a motorbike, one of her sons, and she's just gone 721 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 2: for a big ride with her son down the coast, 722 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 2: and I'm like, buck, yeah, you know, I think when 723 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 2: you open that like even even you know, using it's 724 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: not about motorbikes, but just having a different experience. The 725 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: amount of people. Remember I've had a motorbike on the 726 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 2: road since I was eighteen, so that's forty three years. 727 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 2: I've taken more than one hundred people who kind of 728 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 2: didn't really want to go, but they were a bit curious. 729 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 2: They were like three out of ten curious, seven out 730 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 2: of ten terrified, and then they got back there like 731 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: that's it. That's it. I'm getting a motorbike, or that's it. 732 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 2: Take me again? Where can we go? Now? Can you 733 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 2: take me on the fast one? Now that's what people say, 734 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: can you take because I've got a few motorbikes, I 735 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 2: take them on the gentle one so we can just tinker. 736 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, want to go on the fast one. 737 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't, but you know, but it's funny 738 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 2: And the point is just having a new experience can 739 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 2: like blow your mind. 740 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: But look at how we prime others because of our 741 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: identification of them. So you're the way you speak to 742 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: and treat li, so it keeps her in that identity. 743 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: So you're the motorbike guy who she would have conversations 744 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: with and would be reading body language, and even on 745 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: a tiny level, that would reinforce her belief that I'm 746 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: not a motorbike person. Yes, yes, I may do that 747 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: and intentionally all the time. 748 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 2: Ah, completely agree, completely agree. And you know a nas 749 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 2: n in that famous author that I've quoted a thousand times, 750 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 2: we don't see things as they are. We see things 751 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 2: as we are. 752 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we're. 753 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 2: Always looking through the tiff lens. The Craig lens like, well, 754 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 2: I don't see reality. I don't see reality. I see 755 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 2: my version of reality. And one of the myriad of 756 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 2: problems in society today is that everyone thinks that their 757 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 2: reality is the in inverted Comma's capital thch reality. No, dude, 758 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 2: it's not the reality. That's just how you see it. 759 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 2: And when you can recognize the distance between your subjective 760 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 2: interpretation or your story and the otherwise meaningless event or 761 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 2: situation or whatever, when you can see the space between 762 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 2: what's happening and your story, then you start to get 763 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 2: an awareness bigger than you. Then you start to get 764 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 2: a real kind of self awareness and social awareness and 765 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 2: situational awareness where you go, ah, I'm just living in 766 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 2: this fucking room in this mansion, and I think the 767 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 2: room is the mansion, but it's just the room, you know, 768 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 2: And then you go, ah, the mansion. You're like fuck. 769 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: Then you get in a drone and you go up 770 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 2: from the mansion and you realize there are a fucking 771 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 2: billion mansions, and then you zoom out and you go, oh, fuck, 772 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 2: that's just a billion mansions in one country. Oh my god. 773 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 2: So we're literally living in a fucking drop of water 774 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 2: in an ocean of possibilities, thinking that our drop of 775 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 2: water is the fucking ocean. 776 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 1: And zoom out even further. You just made me visualize 777 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: in my mind sitting at the top of the Himalayas 778 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: and going, fuck, I'm here for a heartbeat. Nothing even matters, 779 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: what the fuck's right, nothing matters. These mountains are going 780 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: to be here for millions, billions, bions, right, and I'm 781 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: going to be dead in a moment. 782 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 2: And we all think we're fucking special, but we're just 783 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 2: one of eight billion. You know, I'm not trying to 784 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 2: be but it's like, not that you're not special, but 785 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 2: it's like there's another eight billion of here, so not 786 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 2: that special, you know, same with me. It doesn't mean 787 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 2: that you're not special to someone, doesn't mean you're not 788 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 2: precious to someone. But in the context of humanity, you 789 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 2: and me are fucking belly button fluff. 790 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, And realizing that even becoming aware of 791 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: this stuff, this high level thinking, doesn't excuse you from it. 792 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: Like even when you become aware of your bias, aware 793 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,879 Speaker 1: of choosing your beliefs and your thoughts, you still walk 794 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: out into the street and whatever that current days programming 795 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: of focuses is what you'll see and how you'll think 796 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: about it, and probably and you'll still grapple with parts 797 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: of it that you don't want to be focused on 798 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: the way you are, Yeah, or you can go to 799 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: you far the other way, like you're still a product 800 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: of the unconscious thinking. 801 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we me included, you included. We're all biased. 802 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 2: We think we're not biased. 803 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: You know. 804 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 2: The idea of thinking that you are completely open minded 805 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 2: and objective demonstrates your lack of understanding of how the 806 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 2: mind works, because you can't be because if you have 807 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 2: any pre existing ideas or beliefs, or values or experiences 808 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 2: or prejudice or bias, which we all do, then you 809 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 2: can't be objective. You could be more or less objective 810 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 2: about certain things that you may know more or less about. 811 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 2: Like if you said to me, aps, I want to 812 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 2: tell you what is the best fucking way to knit 813 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 2: a cardigan? I'm like, I'm sure, I'm in so I 814 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 2: know fucking nothing. 815 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 3: You know. 816 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 2: It's like, but if I'm a knitter and I'm all 817 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 2: over knitting and will and fucking needles, I'm sorry, ladies 818 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 2: or men. I apologize even then saying ladies like the 819 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,799 Speaker 2: fuck of course, not only you know, it's like this 820 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 2: is the thing, you know, It's like we have we 821 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 2: have so much a programming, like from from now until 822 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 2: whenever whoever's listening to this, from when you were born, 823 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 2: or from when you could comprehend anything, from when you 824 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 2: could process any data on any level, understand on any 825 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 2: level until these words that I'm saying now, Between then 826 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,840 Speaker 2: and now, you've been programmed, trained, conditioned, And that's cool. 827 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 2: So have I. And it's not about undoing that. It's 828 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 2: about recognizing that, you know, because you know, the beginning 829 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 2: of real awareness, as I've said twenty times on this show, 830 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 2: is to recognize our lack of awareness. To become more conscious, 831 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 2: we have to acknowledge how unconscious we are. You know. 832 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 2: That is the epitome of conscious living. Is to realize 833 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 2: that you are, day by day, for better or worse, 834 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,240 Speaker 2: consciously or not, shaping and designing and inhabiting your own 835 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 2: version of reality. Now, whether or not you're making decisions 836 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 2: or you're just responding to the decisions and behaviors of 837 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,879 Speaker 2: others is the key, because if you are just a 838 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 2: passenger on the U bus rather than the driver of 839 00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 2: the U bus, then your life will definitely not look 840 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 2: the way you want it to look and be the 841 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,800 Speaker 2: way you want it to be. And this is where 842 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 2: it is so easy. When your life already has a 843 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 2: level of momentum, which every life does. It's like a 844 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 2: river flowing. Like the river keeps flowing. The river doesn't 845 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 2: stop like it's flowing, and your life has an energy, 846 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: has a life force, and it continues whether or not 847 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 2: you're consciously acting upon it or not. You know, you 848 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 2: get out of bed, everything's still, you know, like the 849 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,479 Speaker 2: coffee shop still there. People are still doing their shit. 850 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 2: My mum and dad are still getting up in the 851 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,800 Speaker 2: tro valley doing their thing. You're over there and wherever 852 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 2: the fuck you live, doing what you do, and everything 853 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 2: keeps I don't know, everything keeps outward, everything keeps happening. 854 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 2: Done you take me ten years, you know all that 855 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 2: you know, and we kind of step in and out 856 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 2: of that inertia, that flow, that energy. But in order 857 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 2: for you know, for me to go, well how I 858 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 2: would like my life to look and operate in a 859 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 2: year from now, well, then I've got to act on 860 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 2: that flow. I've got to inject my energy into what 861 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 2: is already there. You know, And this is where we 862 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 2: start to live intentionally, not unintentionally, where we are just 863 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,879 Speaker 2: almost a character in our own story. As I've said 864 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,280 Speaker 2: many times, I feel like we covered some ground. 865 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: I love it. Sometimes I think so deeply about this 866 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: stuff it feels like my brain implodes on itself and 867 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: I have to just pack up and go. Look, just 868 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: go go for a walk. This is where you're even going. 869 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 2: Sometimes we talk and I think, do we actually say 870 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 2: anything that's going to help anyone? And I think no, 871 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 2: And then I think, well did we? But it's like 872 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 2: it's really just without bringing out that old chestnut too much, 873 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 2: but it's just met a cognition. It's just thinking about 874 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 2: how we think. It's thinking about how we think. It's 875 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 2: thinking about how others think. It's having self awareness in 876 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 2: the moment. You know. If it's been great, and please 877 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 2: stop sending me photos of puppies for adoption. 878 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,280 Speaker 1: What do you think of this morning? She's a bit curious, 879 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: isn't she. 880 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 2: Oh she's very cute. She sent me a picture this morning. 881 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 2: It's a labrador pit no staffy cross. 882 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,320 Speaker 1: You need a strong handler. 883 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 2: It needs very cute face. 884 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 885 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't see the body though, I couldn't. Oh my god, 886 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 2: do you know what I This is probably for off 887 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 2: the but fuck it, let's do it on the podcast. Hey, everyone, 888 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 2: you're welcome. When I get I should even post it 889 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 2: in the group. I'll post in the group. I think, oh, 890 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 2: it's such a funny looking dog. I'll send it to you. 891 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 2: You will send me back ten laughing faces. It's a 892 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 2: cross between a labrador, so it looks exactly like a 893 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 2: lab right lab face, lab coat, and a corgy. So 894 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,280 Speaker 2: it's like a lab that's fucking three inches off the ground. 895 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,240 Speaker 2: You know those cars where they take out the springs 896 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 2: and they lower them. It's like the labrador that's been 897 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 2: taken into the shop and lowered, and he's instead of 898 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 2: his legs being like a foot long, they're like fucking 899 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 2: three inches. Oh it's the cutest, weirdest looking thing ever. 900 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 1: When I was little, I had a dog called Rocky 901 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: and it was I don't know what it was, but 902 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: maybe across a dashhound cross, beagle cross, maybe Jack Russells. 903 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:30,280 Speaker 1: Had this stumpy, big long body and these two stupid 904 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: little legs that it couldn't hold with a kind of 905 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,360 Speaker 1: a Jack russelly but round a face. God, he was cool. 906 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: I taught him to beg too. You know, they've got 907 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: the long bodies and he looks so funny. 908 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going to send I'm going to send 909 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 2: this to you on air right now, just because I 910 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 2: want you to, Oh my god, I want you to 911 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 2: have a look in real time. I'm going to send 912 00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 2: it to Team typ send. This is a terrible thing 913 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 2: to do on if you're ever hosting a podcast, anyone, 914 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 2: it's gone to you. If you ever host, you ever. 915 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: Host exactly the body shape of Rocky. 916 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 2: How cute is that little motherfucker? Look at him? 917 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, cross labrador for sure. 918 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. That's what it says corgy cross labrador, 919 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 2: and they call them a corgodor. Oh god, look at 920 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,359 Speaker 2: his little face and his weirdy little legs. We want 921 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 2: to squash his Oh all right, everybody that'll do over 922 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 2: and out.