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Speaker 1: Cook, Good morning, Harper, All right morning, I'm very good. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: What have you been doing?

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Speaker 1: Just obsessing over my new toy if I'm honest?

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Speaker 2: Oh god, does the world need another conversation about your

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Speaker 2: motorbike and your new muffler, your new loud motorbike.

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Speaker 1: I had to ring my uncle right before bed, just

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Speaker 1: to tell him I was excited for tomorrow just to

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Speaker 1: get up and find a minute to ride it again.

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Speaker 2: That's your uncle who's also a revheaders That correct?

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Speaker 1: That is correct? Because no one else, no one else

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Speaker 1: in not very few in my world, get it. None

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Speaker 1: of my girlfriends are going to give me the response

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Speaker 1: I need, are they?

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Speaker 2: And your boyfriend who you say, isn't your boyfriend that

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Speaker 2: owns the Indian? That isn't your boyfriend? And inverted commons?

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Speaker 2: That guy has he's seen has he heard it yet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Of course, of course, yes, had to go straight

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Speaker 1: round and give it a rev. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And what about the motorbike right after?

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Speaker 1: Great, No, don't be silly.

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Speaker 2: Two birds, one stone boom, what do you what are

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Speaker 2: you going to come out of the out of the

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Speaker 2: darkness and into the light with that relationship? We're all

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Speaker 2: I think you've evolved enough now we're all we're all

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Speaker 2: grown up.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, there's no relationship.

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Speaker 2: There's no relationship. Does he know that?

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Speaker 1: Ship?

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Speaker 2: Does he know that?

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Speaker 1: Usually my relationships or imaginary harps, you know that, friends,

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Speaker 1: imaginary husbands, that's where I do my best relationship work

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Speaker 1: in my imagination.

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Speaker 2: In the theoretical world. But here in the physical world.

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Speaker 2: Fucking nightmare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, you know it's I think we

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Speaker 3: can leave the the intimate and romantic relationships to the

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Speaker 3: rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: They all seem to be.

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Speaker 1: They've got covered.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've done a little bit of.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing some extra curricular coaching lately because of

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Speaker 2: my mentoring group, and everyone in the mentor and group

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Speaker 2: gets a one off sessh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Need to be careful what I say next, because I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about any particular individual and no one knows.

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Speaker 2: But let's just say that, by and large, not too

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Speaker 2: many people are saying to me, oh, my relationship, that's terrific.

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Speaker 2: It's not too many people that when we have a

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Speaker 2: chat about the you know, the old partner, that's it's

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Speaker 2: all glowing. In fact, quite often, Oh it's tough, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very fucking that's why you and I have

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Speaker 2: dodged that for a long time. Maybe I don't know

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Speaker 2: if we're smart or dumb.

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Speaker 1: I reckon relationships are funny because I reckon there's something

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Speaker 1: that we don't realize, the work that's involved with them,

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Speaker 1: and we want them to make us feel good. And

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Speaker 1: unless they just naturally do meet us where we're and

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Speaker 1: make us feel good, we just say they're shit or

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Speaker 1: you know, like they're like everything else, like everything else,

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Speaker 1: everything other area of our life. Usually when we want

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Speaker 1: to make it better, we're ready to do the work

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Speaker 1: for us. But usually, yeah, it's only people that are

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Speaker 1: quite evolved that go, I need to work on me

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Speaker 1: or me and my relationship, me and my relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is quite quite insightful for the motorbike riding

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Speaker 2: Revent with all the commitment issues.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't had a relationship for forty two years.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, No, it's true though, but also both

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Speaker 2: but if there's only one person who has that mindset,

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Speaker 2: then that's not going to work either because both people

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Speaker 2: need to be able to go, well, look, this is

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Speaker 2: not a perfect relationship, which is normal. That's fine, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, and you're not perfect. But let's individually

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Speaker 2: and collectively work better or work consciously to whatever do

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Speaker 2: better too, you know. And by the way, is this

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Speaker 2: better to amicably go our separate ways, or you know,

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Speaker 2: like I think staying in My religious friends won't like

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Speaker 2: me saying this, but fuck it. I think staying in

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Speaker 2: and I know there are a myriad of variables around this,

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Speaker 2: of course, and I'm not talking about a banning in

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Speaker 2: kids or of course it's really tough, but if it's

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Speaker 2: then staying in that when it ain't healthy or when

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Speaker 2: it's somewhat toxic. But again, it's easier said than done,

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Speaker 2: don't know why we opened that door, but I tell

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Speaker 2: you what door we did open. Last time, had you

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Speaker 2: about this idea of cults of thought and you said,

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to have a chat about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were finishing on something profound. What was the

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Speaker 1: point we got to where I was like, let's talk

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we were talking about the way that

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Speaker 2: but the way that we all see the world through

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Speaker 2: our lens, our filter, all of that. And also, you

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Speaker 2: know very much when when you believe something emphatically, then

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Speaker 2: you absolutely want that to be true because your belief

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Speaker 2: and your identity and your confidence usually all intertwined. And

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Speaker 2: if that belief, if that belief turns out to be bullshit,

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Speaker 2: then that can be very distressing emotionally and psychologically for

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Speaker 2: find out that thing is is perhaps not what you thought.

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Speaker 2: But so I wrote a little something that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read right which I'm I'm turning into a video

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Speaker 2: later today. I've decided to do a couple of little videos.

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Speaker 2: Did you see my little step up video that I did?

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Speaker 1: Sure did in the oasis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, out in the bloody the jungle that is my

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Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, it hasn't gone viral, but I

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Speaker 2: how just doing this little simple exercise where you're lifting

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Speaker 2: And then you go, well, this is working all the

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Speaker 2: It's hip flexion, hip extension, deflexion, the extension. It's all

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Speaker 2: go to a gym, it's good. But we can build strength,

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Speaker 2: real strength, and real function pretty much with zero equipment.

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Speaker 1: What was really really interesting about that or good about

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Speaker 1: that video is that you couldn't get a more simple

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Speaker 1: No one didn't know how to do. But what's great

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Speaker 1: about it is information is not application, but the information

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Speaker 1: is quite scientific behind stepping up and down on a

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Speaker 1: fucking Yeah. And I find that interesting. Like google any

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Speaker 1: No one's running out doing them. Put a video up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you think, like if you zoom out and

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Speaker 2: you ask a hundred people, Hey, how many of you

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Speaker 2: want to be weak, I want to be wobbly. I

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Speaker 2: want a saggy ass, I want weak, skinny fucking legs.

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Speaker 2: You know who wants that? Nobody wants that. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: You know, there are so many ways to create that

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Speaker 2: you don't need to be a fucking biomechanist or a

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Speaker 2: But if you do this movement that works this muscle,

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Speaker 2: you don't just do it for two days, but you

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent one hundred percent. I guess, like one

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Speaker 2: of the things. And this wasn't what I intend to

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Speaker 2: talk about. We'll go to thought cults in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But like when you do any movement, it's like when you,

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Speaker 2: for example, if someone does a push up against the bench,

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Speaker 2: kitchen bench? Cool? Now, can you do it on a stool? Now?

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Speaker 2: Can you maybe do them on the floor from your knees? Now?

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Speaker 2: Can you maybe do them from your feet? But just

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Speaker 2: where you're doing, you know, a highly modified intense version

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Speaker 2: other words, you're progressing the overload so that your body

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Speaker 2: seek first to agree, seek first to be like, seek

430
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Speaker 2: first to judge. It says seek first, just to fucking understand.

431
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Speaker 1: When you look at what the decisions you've made. Do

432
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: you think you have for the most part, operated from

433
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: a place of getting away from what you don't want

434
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: or being or chasing what you do want.

435
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I couldn't really quantify that, but

436
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: I would. I don't know, but I think, I mean,

437
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: I do talk about this concept which you've heard me

438
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: talk about, of anti goals. So sometimes when I would like,

439
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: I remember when I would first start doing kind of

440
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: facilitating goal setting with people back in the day when

441
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: I really was fucking I don't know, I wouldn't have

442
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: paid to sit with me, but curiously, some people I

443
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: would have fucking paid not to sit with me. But anyway,

444
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 2: I was making shit up as I went. But I

445
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: do remember having, you know, some mild success with people

446
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: and sitting with people going all right. So, and this

447
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: was around, you know, when I owned gyms, and of

448
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: course we would sit and have a consult and talk

449
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: about all the fundamentals of you know, food and exercise

450
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: and lifestyle and lifting heavy shits and changing their body

451
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: and micros and macros and body composition and wait and

452
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: all of those variables. And then but more broadly, we'd

453
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: zoom out to kind of life and happiness and purpose

454
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: and like building a lifestyle, and like even like doing

455
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: a job which is good for your health, Like even

456
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: think about that, Like is your job good for your health?

457
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: There's a fucking podcast right there. And I used to

458
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: say to people like, do you think overall, physically, mentally,

459
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: emotionally your job is good for your health, bad for

460
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: your health, or kind of in between, And more than

461
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: half of the people go, it's from a mental and

462
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: emotional point of view, it's not good because I don't

463
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: love it, I don't like it. It's it's you know,

464
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: all of these kinds of things. So I'd end up

465
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: having philosophical conversations in answer to your question about what

466
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: they wanted. And I would say, so, you know, like

467
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: what would be ideal for you? What would be your

468
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: dream job or your dream situation or dream environment or whatever.

469
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: And obviously, as I would have many times through my journey,

470
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: they go, I don't know, Like I just know I

471
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: don't want to be here. I don't have absolute clarity.

472
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, good, well, that's a starting point. Could we

473
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: do the opposite? Could we figure out what you don't want? Right?

474
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: And this is the process of like anti GOALSI okay,

475
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: do you want to wear a suit? If you asked

476
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: me this, I would have gone no. If you had

477
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: have said to me, do you want to work in

478
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: an office? No? Okay? Good, well that cuts out a

479
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: fucking million jobs.

480
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: Right.

481
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to work nine to five or a

482
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: version of that? No? Cool? Do you want to work

483
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: in the CBD?

484
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: No?

485
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: Right? Do you want to have Do you want to

486
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: sit in a fucking cubicle with Fluro's buzzing above your head?

487
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: No?

488
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 2: Good? Okay. Do you want to be a tradesman? No? Okay?

489
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Do you want to fix engines and shit?

490
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: Nah?

491
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: Right? So then you kind of get down and you go, well,

492
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: what do I fucking want? Well, like, I'm kind of creative,

493
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious, I'm kind of you know, so,

494
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: so I think that kind of for me, I was

495
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: early days kind of moving away from conformity and moving

496
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: away from tradition and typical, you know, and not not

497
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: because I wanted to be different or atypical, but just

498
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: because what was the norm, what was typical, what was

499
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: common held zero appeal to me. Like the idea of

500
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: just turning up for work, doing a job, having a

501
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: boss in an environment, playing a particular role or a

502
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: version of a particular role for the foreseeable fucking future.

503
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: I'd rather punch myself in the face. I'd rather make

504
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: half the money and do something that excited me.

505
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I reckon our mind limits our ability to even recognize

506
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: or think of the go to the what do I

507
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: want to be? It's really easy to know what to

508
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: identify what I definitely don't want. But I reckon most

509
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: people get lost because we go, well, I don't know,

510
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: but there's this umbrella over our brain's capacity to let

511
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: you think of all the opportunities that are actually available

512
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: to you, because there's so many limitations of oh but

513
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm not this, I'm not that. And also, and for

514
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: that reason, there's a lot of things we've never tried.

515
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I'd never tried podcasting. I didn't know how much I

516
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: was going to love it till one day I just

517
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: tried it. So I think trying different things is really powerful.

518
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a really good point.

519
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 2: Think about this. I want you to think about this

520
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: for a moment. So I have a mansion. In this analogy,

521
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: I have a mansion, and there's there's a hundred bedrooms,

522
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: there's one hundred recreational rooms, there's a gym, there's fucking playgrounds.

523
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: It's the biggest house in the world. It's amazing this house. Right,

524
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: And you have been living in one room your whole life.

525
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: You've been in one room, and in that room, it's

526
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: pretty good. In that room. You know, you can do

527
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: lots of shit, and you can eat, and you can live,

528
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: and you can look on the internet and you can

529
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: have limited experiences. Right, But all you have to do

530
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: is open the fucking door to the room. And there

531
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: are a thousand other rooms. There are all these rooms.

532
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: I believe that most people's brain, and most people's thinking,

533
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: and most people's existence is a version of that. We

534
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: all have access to this myriad of rooms and spaces

535
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: and places and options and lessons. But we stay in

536
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: a room, in a metaphoric room. We live in our

537
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: little box. We don't get outside the box, and we

538
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: think our box is the world.

539
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: If you that's so good. That is the best analogy.

540
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: If you were me, from what you know of me,

541
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: what door would you open in that mansion?

542
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: I just think, I don't like I just think having

543
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: new and different experiences, like I truly think this hanging

544
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: out with people who are not like you, hanging out

545
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: with people who do not think like you, hanging out

546
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: with people from different cultures and religions and mindsets, not

547
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: so that you become them, but so you get away

548
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: from a version of you. Most of us hang out

549
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: with a version of us. Ergo confirmation bias, Ergo the

550
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: echo chamber, Ergo the cult of thought. Back to our

551
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: starting point, right, But when I mean, he's not there anymore.

552
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: But there used to be a guy called Muhamm across

553
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: the road who worked in the cafe, who's a Muslim,

554
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: And every day I would go get my coffee and

555
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: I would say to him, teach me something from the Koran,

556
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: or teach me something. Teach me like some kind of

557
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: principle from your faith. Right, because I grew up a Christian,

558
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: I grew up I've given like I've opened the Buddhism

559
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: door for a little bit of a squizz. I've opened

560
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: quite a few doors. But I want to just And

561
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: it's not because oh, I want to become a Muslim,

562
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: or I want to become a Buddhist, or I'm looking

563
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: into atheism, or oh I'm going to dive back into

564
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: whatever it's like, no, here's a person who has a

565
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: different culture, different life, a different way of living, different

566
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: thoughts to I just want to pull back the curtain

567
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: and see what's in his mind, right, seek first to understand.

568
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: And so I think, I think when we have new

569
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: experiences and do new things, like out of that, not always,

570
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: but sometimes out of that we go, oh my god,

571
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: how long has this been here? Like for me doing

572
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: a PhD? And you know, and I don't say that

573
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: with any arrogance because I'm not, by the way, everyone

574
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: in case you didn't get, I'm not very good at it, right,

575
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the fucking if they hand it out like

576
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: ABCD in which they don't in p I'm a C student, right,

577
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: I just fucking I just you know, stumble along. But

578
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: for me, it's like, oh, there's a whole new world

579
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: of people that are not like the people that I

580
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: usually hang out with, and they're really cool, Like they're

581
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: kind of geeks, but they're cool. They're cool geeks, and

582
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: they're not like me, and I'm not like them, and

583
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm not better or worse. I'm just not them and

584
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: they're not better or worse. They're just not me. But

585
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: I can learn from them. You know, you think about

586
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: and you've met Chris and Odko. Chris is my senior

587
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: supervisor in my PhD. He speaks six languages. He was

588
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: born in Romania. He grew up in Russia, not Romanian Mongolia,

589
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: and grew up in Russia and France. He's got two PhDs.

590
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: He's a professor. His wife, id Co also is a PhD.

591
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: She's a doctor and doing another PhD. They are so

592
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: nothing like me, as you well know. I mean, I'm

593
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: at one end of what it is to be a

594
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: human scale. They're at the other end. But I fucking

595
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: love them and they are so good for me because

596
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: they're nothing like me. Their humor is not like mine,

597
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: their personality, the way they communicate their language, the way

598
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: they think, the way they do life, you know, and

599
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: it's amazing. It's amazing, Like I don't want to hang

600
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: out with people like me. I fucking spend too much

601
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: time with myself anyway. You know. It's like, yeah, and

602
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: I think that that willingness to stop trying to find

603
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: people who tell you what you're not you I'm talking

604
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: in general, stop trying to find people who make you

605
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: feel better about yourself. That's just fear and insecurity by

606
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: people who disagree with you. And then go, what is

607
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: that about. I'm not talking about people who are you know,

608
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: violent and fucking outspoken and aggressive. I'm not talking about that.

609
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about, Oh I believe this and you

610
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: believe that? Can I just can we have a chat?

611
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: What is that about? And you know, back to your

612
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: other question about young you. I was just going to say,

613
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: I'll shut up after this. So one of the people

614
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: in my mentoring group as a young guy called Ozzie,

615
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 2: and I think I can say that. And Ozzie wants

616
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: to be a professional surfer. So Ozzie's family live in wa.

617
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: He lives in Queensland at seventeen by himself, just trying

618
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: to get on the world circuit, right, and so he

619
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: wants to be I mean, he wants to be the

620
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: world champion. He wants to be the best surfer in

621
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: the world. Right. So now he's just a young, very

622
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: very good talented athlete who's trying to figure out life

623
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: and food and training and recovery and relationships and how

624
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: to be like a kid but almost a man, not

625
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: quite a man, not really a kid. It's a fucking

626
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: messy time, right, And I was talking to him the

627
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: other day because he missed one of our sessions. I

628
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,479
Speaker 2: love him, by the way, He's such a good kid.

629
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: And he sent me a message, which I'm so proud

630
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: of a seventeen year old sending me a message saying

631
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: can we talk? I'm like, fuck, what's seventeen year old?

632
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: Does that for a start? Right, I'm like, of course

633
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: we can chap. So we had a WhatsApp video call

634
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: for about twenty minutes, and it really occurred to me

635
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: as I was talking to him that while I can

636
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: teach him and coach him and support him, and I do,

637
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: he also needs to go through all the shit himself.

638
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: You know, he needs to get his heart broken three

639
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: times fucking you know, eat some shit like fuck up,

640
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: fall down, you know, get injured, recover, get disappointed, get devastated, win, lose,

641
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: step up, step down, fall over.

642
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: You know.

643
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: It's like, yes, I can teach and coach and support

644
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: and love, but really and that is good. That is good,

645
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: but nothing takes the place of experience. Yeah, Like you

646
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 2: can take that awareness or that that kind of theoretical understanding.

647
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: It's like if I said to you, hey, TIF when

648
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: you ride your bike, whatever you do, don't do this

649
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: out on the road, Well then you you know, but

650
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 2: then you've got to go and apply it to benefit

651
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: from that. Ye.

652
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you were talking before, you were describing

653
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: exactly what I hadn't articulated or maybe even recognized. But

654
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: prior to taking that recent trip to India on retreat,

655
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: when people said what are you going for or what

656
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: do you want out of it? My answer was I

657
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: want to get away from all of the things that

658
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: currently influence who I am. I want to leave this

659
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: version of this part of my identity behind. And it

660
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: just so what you were saying landed one hundred percent.

661
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: I was like, that's exactly what I was doing, you know.

662
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: And when I came back, what's interesting is there was

663
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: this huge identity shift because I was able to park that.

664
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: But what was interesting once I remember recently thinking what

665
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: what could I what hobby could I do? Maybe I

666
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: could do something creative or you know, I really enjoyed

667
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, that short little improv workshop,

668
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's not a me thing to do,

669
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: because the me thing to do was always I spend

670
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: a million hours in the gym I do my boxing

671
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: and my boxer I do fitness. So there was this

672
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: container around the ideas of what I might do next

673
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: that was boxing myself in to Oh, well, I guess

674
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu would be the thing because that's almost the same,

675
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: that's what someone like me would do. And it's like,

676
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: hang on.

677
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so interesting.

678
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that peeled away and now I'm like, oh,

679
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: like I could do in problem. Maybe I could go

680
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: and do an art course or maybe like what else

681
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: could I do with all that time I now have

682
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: because I'm not doing that side of training?

683
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: Do you know similar to this? You know Lisa Stevenson

684
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: who owns the coach Place, right, you know Lisa? Yeah,

685
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: so Lisa, Happy birthday, Lisa. Lisa's turning fifty on the weekend.

686
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: She probably fucking shoot me dead for saying that. Sorry, Lisa,

687
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: but she's turning fifty on the weekend and she's having

688
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: a big shin dig up in I think Byron Bay

689
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: or something. But so Lisa's been on the show. Everyone

690
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: but Lisa's Lisa's she would admit, you know, she's a

691
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: girly girl, right, She's like or a lady lady right,

692
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: she's you know, fucking hair and makeup and nails and

693
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, fine dining and wine and you know, beautiful

694
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: dresses and fashion, and you know, like she loves all

695
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: that very you know for me, I don't know what

696
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: you call it, but you know that she loves all

697
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: that refinery and all that whatever. And then about might

698
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: be two years ago. Now she rang me and she goes,

699
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: guess what. I go what? She goes, I got my

700
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: motorbike license. And I'm like, yeah, what, I'm like, you what?

701
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: You what? I'm like, No, you didn't that you're not

702
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: a motorbike license. Getting person like you don't get your

703
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: motorbike And what is funny is like I can't remember

704
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: what precipitated it right now. So she's got a she's

705
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: got a scooter, but she's got a big which like

706
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: relatively a big school. She's got a three hundred cc Vespa,

707
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: which is like, considering scooters start at fifty cc, it's

708
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: quite a you know, it's a reasonably powerful scooter, like

709
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: you can comfortably ride on the freeway at one hundred

710
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: or one hundred and ten whatever the limit is, right, Yeah,

711
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because she and This is more

712
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: my judgment than anything. You go, oh, she's not that.

713
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: Oh she fucking loves it and it's so not her.

714
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: But she has said so many times one of the

715
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 2: best things I've ever done, Like how weird is that,

716
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, one of the best things I've ever done

717
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: was I went and got my motorbike license And you know,

718
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: I sent her a message the other day to say,

719
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: you know, happy birthday because she's gone away and all that,

720
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: and yes, she was telling me that her son's got

721
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: a motorbike, one of her sons, and she's just gone

722
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: for a big ride with her son down the coast,

723
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: and I'm like, buck, yeah, you know, I think when

724
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: you open that like even even you know, using it's

725
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: not about motorbikes, but just having a different experience. The

726
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: amount of people. Remember I've had a motorbike on the

727
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: road since I was eighteen, so that's forty three years.

728
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: I've taken more than one hundred people who kind of

729
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: didn't really want to go, but they were a bit curious.

730
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: They were like three out of ten curious, seven out

731
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: of ten terrified, and then they got back there like

732
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: that's it, that's it. I'm getting a motorbike or that's it.

733
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: Take me again? Where can we go? Now? Can you

734
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: take me on the fast one? Now that's what people say,

735
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: can you take because I've got a few motorbikes, I

736
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: take them on the gentle one so we can just tinker.

737
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: Then they're like, oh, want to go on the fast one.

738
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't, but you know, but it's funny,

739
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: and the point is just having a new experience can

740
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: like blow your mind.

741
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 1: But look at how we prime others because of our

742
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: identification of them. So you're the way you speak to

743
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: and treat li, so it keeps her in that identity.

744
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: So you're the motibike guy who she would have conversations

745
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: with and would be reading body language and even on

746
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: a tiny level, that would reinforce her belief that I'm

747
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: not a motorbike person. Yes, yes, we do that and

748
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: intentionally all the time.

749
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: Ah, completely agree, completely agree. And you know a nas

750
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: n in that famous author that I've quoted a thousand times,

751
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: we don't see things as they are. We see things

752
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: as we are.

753
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know we're.

754
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 2: Always looking through the tiff lens, the Craig lens, Like, well,

755
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 2: I don't see reality I don't see reality. I see

756
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: my version of reality. And one of the myriad of

757
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: problems in society today is that everyone thinks that their

758
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: reality is the in inverted commas capital thchg reality. No, dude,

759
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: it's not the reality. That's just how you see it.

760
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: And when you can recognize the distance between your subjective

761
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: interpretation or your story and the otherwise meaningless event or

762
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: situation or whatever, when you can see the space between

763
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: what's happening and your story, then you start to get

764
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: an awareness bigger than you. Then you start to get

765
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: a real kind of self awareness and social awareness and

766
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: situational awareness where you go, ah, I'm just living in

767
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: this fucking room in this mansion, and I think the

768
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: room is the mansion, but it's just the room, you know,

769
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: And then you go, ah, the mansion. You're like fuck.

770
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: Then you get in a drone and you go up

771
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: from the mansion and you realize there are a fucking

772
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: billion mansions and then you zoom out and you go, oh, fuck,

773
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: that's just a billion mansions in one country. Oh my god.

774
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 2: So we're literally living in a fucking drop of water

775
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: in an ocean of possibilities, thinking that our drop of

776
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: water is the fucking ocean.

777
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: And zoom out even further. You just made me visualize

778
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: in my mind sitting at the top of the Himalayas

779
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: and going, fuck, I'm here for a heartbeat. Nothing even matters,

780
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: what the fuck's right, nothing matters. These mountains are going

781
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: to be here for millions, billions, right, and I'm going

782
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: to be dead in a moment.

783
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: And we all think we're fucking special, but we're just

784
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: one of eight billion. Yeah, you know, I'm not trying

785
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: to be but it's like, not that you're not special,

786
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: but it's like there's another eight billion of here, so

787
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: not that special, you know, same with me. It doesn't

788
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: mean that you're not special to someone, doesn't mean you're

789
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: not precious to someone, But in the context of humanity,

790
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: you and me are fucking belly button fluff, you know.

791
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And realizing that even becoming aware of this stuff,

792
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: this high level thinking, doesn't excuse you from it. Like

793
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: even when you become aware of your bias, aware of

794
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: choosing your beliefs and your thoughts, you still walk out

795
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: into the street and whatever that current days programming of

796
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: focuses is what you'll see and how you'll think about it,

797
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: and probably and you'll still grapple with parts of it

798
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: that you don't want to be focused on the way

799
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, or you can go too far the

800
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: other way, like you're still a product of the unconscious thinking.

801
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we me included, you included. We're all biased.

802
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: We think we're not biased. You know. The idea of

803
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: thinking that you are completely open minded and objective demonstrates

804
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: your lack of understanding of how the mind works, because

805
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: you can't be because if you have any pre existing

806
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: ideas or beliefs, or values, or experiences or prejudice or bias,

807
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: which we all do, then you can't be objective. You

808
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: could be more or less objective about certain things that

809
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: you may know more or less about. Like if you

810
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: said to me, harps, I want to tell you what

811
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: is the best fucking way to knit a cardigan? I'm like,

812
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm in so I know fucking nothing. You know.

813
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: It's like, but if I'm a knitter and I'm all

814
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: over knitting and wool and fucking needles, I'm sorry, ladies

815
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: or men. I apologize even then saying ladies like the

816
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: fuck of course, not only you know, It's like this

817
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: is the thing, you know. It's like we have we

818
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: have so much a programming, like from from now until

819
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: whenever whoever's listening to this, from when you were born,

820
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: or from when you could comprehend anything, from when you

821
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: could process any data on any level, understand on any

822
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: level until these words that I'm saying now, Between then

823
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: and now, you've been program trained, conditioned, And that's cool.

824
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: So have I. And it's not about undoing that. It's

825
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: about recognizing that, you know, because you know, the beginning

826
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: of real awareness, as I've said twenty times on this show,

827
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: is to recognize our lack of awareness. To become more conscious,

828
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: we have to acknowledge how unconscious we are. You know.

829
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: That is the epitome of conscious living. Is to realize

830
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: that you are, day by day, for better or worse,

831
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: consciously or not, shaping and designing and inhabiting your own

832
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: version of reality. Now, whether or not you're making decisions

833
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: or you're just responding to the decisions and behaviors of

834
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: others is the key, because if you are just a

835
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: passenger on the U bus rather than the driver of

836
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: the U bus, then your life will definitely not look

837
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: the way you want it. To look and be the

838
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: way you want it to be. And this is where

839
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: it is so easy when your life already has a

840
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: level of momentum, which every life does. It's like a

841
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 2: river flowing. Like the river keeps flowing, the river doesn't

842
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: stop like it's flowing, and your life has an energy,

843
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: has a life force, and it continues whether or not

844
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: you're consciously acting upon it or not. You know, you

845
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: get out of bed, everything's still, you know, like the

846
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: coffee shops still there. People are still doing their shit.

847
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: My mum and dad are still getting up in the

848
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: tro valley doing their thing. You're over there and wherever

849
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: the fuck you live, doing what you do, and everything

850
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: keeps I don't know, everything keeps outward, everything keeps happening.

851
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: Done you take me ten years, you know all that

852
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, and we kind of step in and out

853
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: of that inertia, that flow, that energy. But in order

854
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: for you know, for me to go, well how I

855
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: would like my life to look and operate in a

856
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: year from there, well, then I've got to act on

857
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: that flow. I've got to inject my energy into what

858
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: is already there, you know. And this is where we

859
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: start to live intentionally not unintentionally, where we are just

860
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: almost a character in our own story. As I've said

861
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: many times, I feel like we covered some ground.

862
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I love it. Sometimes I think so deeply about this

863
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: stuff it feels like my brain implodes on itself and

864
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: I have to just pack up and go. Look, just

865
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: go go for a walk. This is where are you're

866
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: even going.

867
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes we talk and I think do we actually say

868
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: anything that's going to help anyone? And I think no,

869
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: And then I think, well did we? But it's like

870
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: it's really just without bringing out that old chestnut too much,

871
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: but it's just meta cognition. It's just thinking about how

872
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: we think. It's thinking about how we think. It's thinking

873
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 2: about how others think. It's having self awareness in the moment.

874
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: You know, if it's been great, and please stop sending

875
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: me photos of puppies for adoption.

876
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: What do you think of this morning? She's a bit curio,

877
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: isn't she.

878
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh she's very cute. She sent me a picture this morning.

879
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: It's a labrador pit no staffy cross.

880
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: You needs a strong handler.

881
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: It needs very cute face.

882
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

883
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the body though. I couldn't. Oh my god,

884
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: do you know what I this is probably for off

885
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: the but fuck it, let's do it on the podcast. Hey,

886
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: every one, you're welcome. When I get I should even

887
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: post it in the group. I'll post in the group.

888
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, it's such a funny looking dog. I'll

889
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: send it to you. You will send me back ten

890
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: laughing faces. It's a cross between a Labrador, so it

891
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: looks exactly like a lab right lab face, lab coat,

892
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: and a corgy. So it's like a lab that's fucking

893
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: three inches off the ground. You know those cars where

894
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 2: they take out the springs and they lower them. It's

895
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 2: like the labrador that's been taken into the shop and lowered,

896
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: and he's instead of his legs being like a foot long,

897
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 2: they're like fucking three inches. Oh it's the cutest, weirdest

898
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: looking thing ever.

899
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Speaker 1: When I was little, I had a dog called Rocky

900
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: and it was I don't know what it was, but

901
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: maybe across a dashhound cross, beagle cross, maybe Jack Russells.

902
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: Had this stumpy, big long body and these two stupid

903
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: little legs that it couldn't hold with a kind of

904
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: a Jack russelly but round a face. God, he was cool.

905
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Speaker 1: I taught him to beg too, you know, they've got

906
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: the long bodies and he looks so funny.

907
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going to send I'm going to send

908
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: this to you on air right now, just because I

909
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: want you to Oh my god, I want you to

910
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: have a look in real time. I'm going to send

911
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: it to Team typ send. This is a terrible thing

912
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: to do. And if you're ever hosting a podcast, anyone,

913
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: it's gone to you. Do you ever host ever.

914
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: Host exactly the body shape of Rocky?

915
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: How cute is that little motherfucker? Look at him?

916
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, s cross labrador for sure.

917
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. That's what it says, corgy cross labrador,

918
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: and they call them a corgodor. Oh god, look at

919
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: his little face and his weirdy little legs. We want

920
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: to squash his Oh all right, everybody that'll do over

921
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Speaker 2: and out.