1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: Just say play the news from the Australian. 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: From the Australian, here's what's on the Front. I'm Kristinamot. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: It's Monday, August twenty six. Blackouts and big power bills 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: could be our new reality as gas supplies dropped to 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: critically low levels and coal fired power plants limp into retirement, 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: But neither the government nor the Energy market regulator have 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: provided the industry with updates for how they're planning to 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: fix the problem. That stories live right now at the 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. The Israeli Defense Force launched 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: a preemptive strike on Hesbola targets in Lebanon on Sunday. 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: It says the onehundred rockets were designed to deter a 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: large scale attack. 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: But members of the Lebanese group. 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Said they carried out a raid of their own in 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: retaliation for the death of a top commander. Australia's ambassador 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: to China will join four hundred other guests, including diplomats 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: from our Five Eyes partners, at a black tie ball 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: on the Great Wall of China in a fortnight. That's 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: the latest from Will Glasgow, the Australian's North Asia correspondent 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and the first Australian journalist invited back to Beijing. In 23 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: today's episode A Correspondent's Long and Winding Road back to China. 24 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: My way overordered was delicious, but I did not need 25 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: that well beef noodle suit, not with the cucumber garlic 26 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: dish and the spinach peanut dish and the beef coomin skewer. 27 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: That's The Australian's North Asia correspondent Will Glasgow. He's back 28 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: in his old stomping ground, Beijing's Donjamen district for the 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: first time in four years. 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 4: I got to work on my portion sizes. 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 5: I got to adjust. 32 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Donjamen is one of Beijing's more expat friendly neighborhoods, with 33 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: journalists like Will as well as diplomats and business people 34 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: historically calling it home. These days, it's buzzing with locals 35 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: and domestic travelers out to see the sites. It's summer 36 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: in Beijing and the sky is a clear, glittering blue. 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: Will was invited to return to Beijing by the Chinese government, 38 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: and so with Camber's blessing, he set off. 39 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: So my passport's over with the Exit and Entry Immigration 40 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: Office of the Public Security Bureau, and as long as 41 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: I get the green light from then I've got a 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: residency permit to allow me to be a foreign journalist 43 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: in China for the next year. 44 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Last week, Will became the first Australian journalists to be 45 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: granted media credentials since twenty twenty. Will had been living 46 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: and working in China for six months when in twenty 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: twenty he returned to Australia to get his wife. The 48 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, which originated in China, was gathering steam 49 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: and things were getting tense. They had an exemption to 50 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: return to China after a stint in hotel quarantine, but 51 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Will was advised against boarding his return flight by Australian 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: officials shortly before they were due to depart. Will's been 53 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: living in Taipei since twenty twenty one. Will was one 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: of dozens of foreign journalists who left China in twenty twenty. 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: Some departures were voluntary, but most were ordered out. 56 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 6: China has defended its decision to expel more than a 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 6: dozen American journalists and also bar them from working in 58 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 6: Hong Kong. Beijing says that it is within its rights 59 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 6: and has threatened further action. This latest diplomatic row was 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 6: triggered last month when Washington forced Chinese state media outlets 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 6: to register as foreign embassies. 62 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Australia's relationship with the People's Republic was on the rocks too. 63 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: The Government of the day, led by Scott Morrison, back 64 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: to an international inquiry into the origins of the pandemic, 65 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: a move that didn't go down well with the Chinese 66 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: Communist Party. Will A lot has happened in the last 67 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: four years. Has any of that been on your mind 68 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: as you've made this return to Beijing? Are you scared? 69 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 5: I'm not scared. I'm not scared, but it is on 70 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 5: my mind of course, right. I mean, I didn't just 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 5: get a letter from the Chinese government and then book 72 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 5: a ticket and fly over here. I think listeners will 73 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 5: be amazed at how long this process has. 74 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: Gone on for. 75 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 5: I mean I've literally been back and forth conversations with 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 5: the Chinese in a quite a focused way on whether 77 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 5: this was possible or not for more than eighteen months. 78 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 5: Foreign reporters, we have a lot of hurdles for how 79 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 5: we do things, like one getting access to the internet, 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 5: like everyone in China has that problem because of the 81 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: Great Firewall, and that's got worse. 82 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: Right, that's just. 83 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 5: A simple one that frustrates every day that you're trying 84 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 5: to do your job here. But we have the problem 85 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 5: of getting people to speak to us, right because of 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: the propaganda machine that demonizes as foreign media and has 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 5: created such suspicion and nervousness amongst Chinese people here and 88 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 5: amongst Chinese experts, and even amongst Chinese government officials, who 89 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 5: for the most part decline interview requests from foreign media 90 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 5: because they just see it as too risky. And one 91 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 5: of the big challenges for Australian media as we come 92 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 5: back to China is navigating that extreme distrust that our 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 5: readers have about this place because of so much of 94 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: the things that have happened over the last four years. 95 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: You know, you've been running around all over town having 96 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: meetings and chatting with Chinese officials since you got back. 97 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: How has your arrival been received this time around? Are 98 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: you finding you having to tread more carefully the. 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: Various meanings I've had. 100 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 5: There's sort of different times, some are quite kurt and 101 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 5: brief affairs others are much more expansive and much more 102 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 5: of a back and forth. And one of the real 103 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: striking takeaways is they're very aware that I am the 104 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 5: first Australian journalist from Australian media returning here. They're very 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: aware of that, right, and so there's a bit of 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 5: attempts by them to flatter me for that, you know, 107 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 5: and impress on me what a great opportunity is and 108 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 5: impress on me my role as a. 109 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: Bridge builder between Australia and China. 110 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: And look, I just repeat to them what my job is, 111 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 5: which is to serve my readers, and that's what I'm 112 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 5: here for. My job's to do my job as best 113 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 5: I can and as accurately tell the story about China 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 5: right now what it means for Australia. But it's clear 115 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: there's a desire to impress on me that I'd wanted here. 116 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: That I'm going to be safe. 117 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 5: The return is being welcomed by bits of the Chinese 118 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 5: system that said I wouldn't over do it, right. I mean, 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 5: you can see the very opposite, and I've experienced the 120 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 5: very opposite. There's definitely parts of the Chinese system that 121 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 5: would much rather I wasn't here right. 122 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: They think that having no. 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 5: Australian journalists in China was a pretty wonderful situation and 124 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 5: long may that have lasted, right, And so there's nervousness 125 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: from bits of definitely well nervousness and perhaps a bit 126 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: of grumbling about the return of on Australian journalists and 127 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: from those parts of the Chinese state there are concerns 128 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 5: that you know, am I the first of a number. 129 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean, we'll find out. 130 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: Right coming up what's happening below the surface of Beijing's 131 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: impressive facelift. We'll be back after the break. 132 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: Out for a. 133 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: Stroll along the Liangma River, which when I live Tea 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty was well was it dump? 135 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: I mean quite literally it was just full of rubbish. 136 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: It was disgusting. It was building works all along it. 137 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: The Beijing will Glasgow has returned to after four years 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: in Taipei is a different city to the one he left. 139 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: That's because it's had a pretty major facelift in places. 140 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: Well, it turns out they were building a greenway park 141 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: that runs all the way along the river to chow 142 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: Young Park links it up and it's I have to admit, 143 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: it's really beautiful. 144 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: It's really popular. 145 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: It's full of walkers and people fishing, and I can 146 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: see up ahead people kayaking and even some people swimming, 147 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: which if you tell me four years ago people would 148 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: swim in this thing, I would have just well, I 149 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: would have been horrified. Frankly, I'd be worried about their health. 150 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: But people look pretty happy doing it. 151 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: Will's a dedicated runner, and he's enjoying running along the 152 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: river in his old neighborhood without a mask designed to 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: protect him from Beijing's notorious air pollution. Nowadays, the city, 154 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: once dubbed Airport sometimes boast air quality almost as good 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: as Sydney. The sky has been clear and bright, with 156 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: heavy summer storms washing away the last remnants of pollution. 157 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: In Beijing's the glitzy Chao Young district, the once famous 158 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: Opposite House boutique hotel sits vacant. Its doors were closed 159 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: just last month, a symbol of the economic uncertainty bubbling 160 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: just under the surface of this gussied up city. 161 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a funny thing. 162 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 5: In whats of ways, Beijing looks wealthier than it was 163 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 5: when I left, right, I mean, maybe it's just so 164 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 5: long out of the country, and just the jarring sight 165 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 5: of seeing cashed up Beijing is out in posh shopping 166 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 5: centers and sandy turned buying lots of stuff. It's just 167 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 5: a very visual reminder that there is a lot of 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 5: money still being spent in the Chinese economy. That's real, right, 169 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 5: But Beijing is not representative of much of China at all. Right, 170 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 5: it's a very wealthy, privileged part of this warness country. 171 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: And Stanleyton is a really unrepresentative part of Beijing. So 172 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 5: you know, you have to just remember most Chinese aren't 173 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 5: living lives anything like that. But you know, we're still 174 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 5: talking about five percent growth, so it's not nothing. And 175 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 5: across the Chinese economy you see this price war. It's 176 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 5: even in dentists in Beijing, where customers are negotiating down 177 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 5: what they'll pay to. 178 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: Get a tooth filling. 179 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 5: It's happened to me in my own experience here at 180 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 5: the gym, and just across the Chinese economy, people are 181 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: arguing prices down and there's actually deflation in the Chinese economy, 182 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 5: not inflation. 183 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: Prices are going down here. 184 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 5: So there's a really weird mismatch in this moment of 185 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 5: the Chinese economy between its headline economic numbers which have 186 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 5: helped Australian exporters, and we continue the Australian economy continues 187 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 5: to make a lot of money from There's a big 188 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: gap with how people in China are feeling, and you 189 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 5: just talk to people here and they're doing it tough. 190 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 5: A lot of people are finding things pretty grim and 191 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: they're very concerned about the outlook here. The Chinese government 192 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: knows about the problems. They're taking them very seriously and 193 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: trying to fix them. But we just don't know if 194 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 5: they're going to be successful or not. But we do 195 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 5: know that it's going to have an enormous impact on Australia. 196 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: Whether they're successful or they're not successful, or they kind 197 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: of muddle through. Either way, we're going to feel it 198 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 5: back in Australia. 199 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: Book Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. You can 200 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: read all about his longer way to return to Beijing 201 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: and see pictures and videos of the city four years 202 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: on right now at the Australian dot com dot au