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Speaker 1: Welcome to healthy Ish. Thanks for joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Body and Soul podcast. I am Felicity Harley. Hope you

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Speaker 1: are having a healthy ish day. It seems everyone is

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Speaker 1: talking about mobility right now, and with good reason. But

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Speaker 1: I'm joined today by exercise physiologist and author of Stretch

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Speaker 1: Yourself Strong, Glenn Phipps, and I say, but because he

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Speaker 1: is here with a new perspective, he's going to give

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Speaker 1: tips on how to increase range of movement in your body. Now,

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Speaker 1: make sure you listen in to our sister podcast, Extra

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Speaker 1: Healthy Ish, where he explains how to increase mobility on

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Speaker 1: those desk bound days. You can search for that wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Glenn, Welcome to healthy Ish. How

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I am awesome.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually excited to talk to you about well, mobility.

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Speaker 1: What is mobility? Talk to us about the important But

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Speaker 1: perhaps you don't like this phrase.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't have primed you on that, and I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you're excited about it because I guess it's an exciting

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Speaker 3: topic for some people, isn't it. So yeah, mobility, really

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Speaker 3: it's a word.

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Speaker 2: That just means movement, and in some.

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Speaker 3: Regards, I guess it's a word that's been a bit

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Speaker 3: hijacked by the fitness industry and it's really come about.

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Speaker 3: I don't really have a good timeline on it, but

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Speaker 3: let's say over the last decade is really when the

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Speaker 3: words really risen the prominence over the last few years. Right,

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Speaker 3: No one spoke about mobility ten to fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 3: and it came about to kind of discern this difference

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Speaker 3: between flexibility training that involves movement and flexibility training that

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Speaker 3: is static, so obviously stretching and then mobility opens itself

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Speaker 3: up toward is different movement based things. And it's a

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Speaker 3: very flawed view of how flexibility training works because different

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Speaker 3: types of flexibility training favor different types of addicts and

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Speaker 3: they're all good, they've all got their place, which is.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm coming from with what I do.

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Speaker 3: So, but to answer your question, people talk about mobility,

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Speaker 3: they're really talking about anything that works around improving our

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Speaker 3: range of movement, our.

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Speaker 1: Capacity to move Do you what can we refer to

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Speaker 1: it as then? I mean, is it flexibility? I mean

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Speaker 1: it's almost increasing strength and it's just movement. But how

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Speaker 1: can we differentiate it from you know, movement of running

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Speaker 1: and walking and exercise, it gets a heart rate up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think range of movement training.

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Speaker 3: Is a good way to talk about it, and you

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Speaker 3: know then kind of talking about those different types of

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Speaker 3: training within that. So obviously we do have static type

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Speaker 3: training like stretching, we have usually when people talking about

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Speaker 3: mobility are talking about dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Types of exercise, and there's this thing that.

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Speaker 3: Exists online where they say, and you'll look up the

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Speaker 3: definition and you may even been compelled to do this

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Speaker 3: after the chat, and there's things that say mobility is

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Speaker 3: active range of movement, where stretching is static or passive.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is that dynamic stretching is movement based

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Speaker 3: range of motion training as well. But the mobility of

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Speaker 3: definition also misses a fact that we can have active

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Speaker 3: and passive dynamic movement, you know, so whether we're controlling

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Speaker 3: it or it's being controlled by something else. So there's

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Speaker 3: all of these different types of range of motion training

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Speaker 3: and we can name them within that subset. You know,

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Speaker 3: whether we're stretching, we're doing dynamic stretching, we're doing things

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Speaker 3: like eccentric training or ballistic stretching or in range isometrics,

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Speaker 3: all these things can have their name. I think fits

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Speaker 3: under the umbrella somewhat. But I think the problem with

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Speaker 3: the word ability is it's there to kind of sit

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Speaker 3: itself above other types of training that have been said

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Speaker 1: So how can we increase our range of movement? I

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Speaker 1: mean it's almost like an afterthought. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: time we focus on the you know, getting the heart

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Speaker 1: rate rate up and then I'll just do some stretching

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Speaker 1: on the side. How do we actually go about increasing

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Speaker 1: this in our day to day.

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Speaker 3: So it's the same thing when you're talking about other

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Speaker 3: types of exercise, right, Like, if you want to improve

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Speaker 3: easily walking a kilometer is going to lag it.

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Speaker 2: To maintain that fitness, but not necessarily improve it.

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Speaker 3: So it's all about, you know, putting our body under

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Speaker 3: adequate stress so that it wants to adapt. Same thing

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Speaker 2: You need to get some more stress on.

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Speaker 3: Top of that, right, So you know, it's all about

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Speaker 1: So what should out perhaps let's got routine look like

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Speaker 3: So it's a good question, and I guess all good

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Speaker 3: questions come with it. It depends, So it depends what

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Speaker 3: you're trying to make a difference in, right, So if

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Speaker 3: you're simply trying to make a difference in your range

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Speaker 3: you have some sort of goal that looks good on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: then you can certainly get in that position, sit in it,

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Speaker 3: add some load, and you will definitely make a difference

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Speaker 3: to that position. But it's not necessarily going to make

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Speaker 3: a difference to your movement outside of that position. So

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Speaker 3: my take is all about how do we make our

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Speaker 3: gains transferable. Otherwise we're just getting good exercise. We want

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Speaker 3: to get good at movement outside of our exercise, and

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Speaker 3: particularly I work with a lot of athletes, so we

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Speaker 2: We get better at that.

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Speaker 3: So then we need to make sure that our training

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Speaker 3: firstly is actually improving our range emotion. We're learning how

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Speaker 3: that range emotion is different under different scenarios.

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Speaker 2: So load and speed.

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Speaker 3: Just because you can sit in a stretch doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: you can easily get there. So you need to train

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Speaker 3: like most things when it comes to the human body,

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Speaker 1: I like that that you are almost you know, setting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like they're all, and which is why

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Speaker 2: It's just movement, right. Everyone wants to improve how they move.

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Speaker 3: No one wants to, you know, feel like they move

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Speaker 3: They don't necessarily have to be as separate as we

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Speaker 3: You don't need to go all right, now is my

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Speaker 3: mobility time. Now's my cardio time, now's my strength time.

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Speaker 3: Clever programming can put them all together.

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Speaker 1: What do you do you know, daily or weekly to

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Speaker 3: So it depends on my goal at the time. So

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Speaker 3: I like to each year to kick some sort of goals.

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Speaker 3: that's a morning routine. It's incorporating some of these strategies

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Speaker 3: load them there because again, and variety is really key

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Speaker 3: that's where compensation patterns happen and muscles don't like sitting

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Speaker 2: And you know, when I first get.

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Speaker 1: What can you describe those movements?

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Speaker 2: Joints aren't moving, muscles will stay in the same place.

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Speaker 1: You remind you just reminded. You took me back to

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Speaker 1: like my year when I was eight year old dance

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Speaker 1: class and I was doing those isolations with my rib games.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm like, oh, yes, those isolations. To Glenn, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on healthy.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well listeners, what's your range of movement? Like, I think

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Speaker 1: we could all get better when it comes to moving

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Speaker 1: our bodies, increasing that DEARISO mobility. Anyway, I'm relabe link

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Speaker 1: to Glenn's book in the show notes. It is called

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Speaker 1: Stretch Yourself Strong. Anything else you know where to go

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