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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Max Forstaffan wins the Emilia Romagna Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix to inject some hope into Red Bull Racing's campaign,

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Speaker 1: But did McLaren throw away a chance at victory by

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Speaker 1: neglecting team orders. My name is Michael Lomonato. It's great

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Speaker 1: to have your company and the company of my co host.

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Speaker 1: It's the Formula one Aws Grand Premier dal made in

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Speaker 1: Italy del Matt Clayson twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I've been called worse Michael, but I was a little

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Speaker 2: bit concerned that you may not actually make it to

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Speaker 2: the end of the sentence. And this will been the

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Speaker 2: world's longest solo podcast for the next half an hour.

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Speaker 2: But yes, almost as many words in the event title

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Speaker 2: as there were laps at Imola on Sunday. But considering

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Speaker 2: Immola can be a very picturesque snorefest, but a snorefest nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: because of the nature of the circuit, we actually got

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Speaker 2: a pretty interesting one. And if it's the last one,

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Speaker 2: at least it was a nice way to go out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That has been the phrase of the weekend, hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: If this is the last one, and there's certainly been

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Speaker 1: no clarity at least at the time of recording with

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Speaker 1: on what it is. The race is out of contract,

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Speaker 1: That's why there's been so much talk about it. But

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting just before we get into

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Speaker 1: the race to see how much support there was for

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Speaker 1: this circuit among the drivers, even among some team principals

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Speaker 1: who are asked over the course of the weekend. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a track that, to be fair to I

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Speaker 1: guess F one if they are about to drop it completely,

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Speaker 1: was absent for nearly fifteen years since its previous race

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, was brought back as a COVID

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Speaker 1: race and then got a contract out of that, unlike

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Speaker 1: most of the other ones, now seems destined to fall

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Speaker 1: back off the calendar. But it's really interesting how much

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Speaker 1: of an impression it's made on what is a generation

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Speaker 1: of drivers, with one exception for no Orlans. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, who hadn't driven on it before?

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Speaker 2: In Formuda one, Yes, you are correct, Fernando Well one

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Speaker 2: of his biggest career early career moments was the fight

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Speaker 2: with Schumacher back in the previous Immola era. But I

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Speaker 2: think That's actually an interesting place to start this conversation

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Speaker 2: because back in the day you look at the Alonso

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Speaker 2: Reno versus Schumacher Ferrari Battleback in that era, the cars

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Speaker 2: were so small relative to the footprint they have these days,

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Speaker 2: and I think it probably generated better racing. Immil has

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Speaker 2: actually become one of those circuits now where it's a

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Speaker 2: proper driver's track in the same way that Suzuka is

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Speaker 2: a driver's track. The common denominator with those two tracks

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Speaker 2: is the drivers love them. They don't create great spectacles

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Speaker 2: because the cars are so wide and they're so fast,

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Speaker 2: and the corder nature of the old school layout doesn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily lead itself to great racing, but they're fantastic race tracks,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's the you know. I know some

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Speaker 2: of the drivers talked about this over the course of

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Speaker 2: the weekend, and that there is a homogeneity to a

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Speaker 2: lot of these new circuits. Now we've Joe goff Air

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Speaker 2: before that. When you get to the back end of

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Speaker 2: the season and then there's a night race in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, you can only really remember where you are

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Speaker 2: based on what advertising side edge the cars are going past,

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Speaker 2: because all the cords are sort of cookie Cutter, and

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Speaker 2: they look a little bit similar. I love the fact

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Speaker 2: that places like Iimmila have existed in this sort of

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Speaker 2: second act if you like in its Formula one tenure,

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Speaker 2: because it is a point of difference. You wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: twenty four of them, But then you don't want twenty

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Speaker 2: four tilkodromes either, So it's nice to have a bit

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Speaker 2: of a mix. Look, if we're going to race in Italy,

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Speaker 2: if it's not going to be in Italy, you know

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Speaker 2: where I'm going to go. Let's go back to Midgella.

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Speaker 2: Come on, we did it once, the best racetrack in

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Speaker 2: Italy with the greatest iteration of Formula one cars. Again,

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Speaker 2: probably a terrible spectacle, but my god, they look nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just nice, you know, to go. You

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Speaker 1: called a picturesque earlier. I think you're absolutely right. After

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Speaker 1: racing in a car park and then two night races, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is a city race, but then bar rain

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Speaker 1: in an empty expanse of desert. It's just nice to

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Speaker 2: Honestly, on Sunday night, I was looking at it going.

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Speaker 2: Is this the first patch of grass I've seen since

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Speaker 2: Albert Puck because it kind of felt a little bit

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Speaker 2: Now the vegetation is not what it was back in October,

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Speaker 2: lovely to see the the houses and the character. And

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Speaker 2: the thing I really was struck with is the helicopter

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Speaker 2: having a cup of tea or whatever watching the cars

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Speaker 2: go past. It really is in the middle of a village,

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Speaker 2: just a beautiful, beautiful spot. But that may not marry

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, No, unfortunately not, But we'll wait and

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Speaker 1: see what conclusion Formula one comes to. One man who

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Speaker 1: probably had time to absorb some of the scenery in

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Speaker 1: the beauty of this circuit was max for staff and

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Speaker 1: because the victory in the end for him was relatively

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Speaker 1: comfortable there was a point at which he was twenty

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Speaker 1: seconds up the road from the McLaren drivers. Of course

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Speaker 1: the safety car bun to them up towards the end

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Speaker 1: sort we haven't really seen for him for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he won in Japan with that was much

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Speaker 1: more under pressure performance. This one was very found, very

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Speaker 1: much twenty twenty three vintage in summers, which or early

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Speaker 1: back from a lackluster Friday as well to end up

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Speaker 1: being the most competitive car was Red Bull Racing. What

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Speaker 1: do we take out of this? Was it all down

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Speaker 1: to that stunning move which I suspect we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: first chicane on Oscar Piastre. Because while I think victory

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this kind of victory is exactly right. I think

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Speaker 2: he'll be more disappointed than anyone. We're not going back

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Speaker 2: to IMMLA because every time we turn up there he wins.

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Speaker 2: There's four in a row there now, but there's a

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Speaker 2: there're two very different victories for me, Japan and Immala,

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Speaker 2: much as we were talking about, Suzuka and Imila are

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Speaker 2: in the same breath before. In that Suzuka owed itself

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Speaker 2: to an absolutely otherworldly qualifying lap and then literally I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say that he was actually blocking, because you can't

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Speaker 2: relied on him executing a flawless race making no mistakes,

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Speaker 2: which he did because he's a four time world champion,

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Speaker 2: that's what he does. But that was a race win

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Speaker 2: that I felt he was defending the entire race. This

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Speaker 2: He bossed this race. He was in control. This is

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Speaker 2: like you said, I didn't think we were going to

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Speaker 2: at all, or only a few very very certain circuits

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Speaker 2: where we know how good he is, where track position

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Speaker 2: I say, old school early twenty twenty four and all

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Speaker 2: think the thing that was interesting and I'd be curious

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Speaker 2: Or is this the perfect confluence of track position, circuit

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Speaker 2: whear driver is very very good car in a sweeter

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Speaker 2: spot than it has been. All those circumstances conspired to

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Speaker 2: do we need more evidence across a wider range of tracks.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking Barcelona here is a real tell for these cars.

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Speaker 2: Is this happened genuinely in this championship fight or is

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Speaker 1: I think the obvious and boring answer to that is yes,

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Speaker 1: we do need more evidence, because one race is only

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Speaker 1: ever one race. But there was enough in this to

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Speaker 1: was the scale of the victory is there are enough

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Speaker 1: There are enough elements in this to explain that Max

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Speaker 1: that there were elements of this Grand Prix weekend that

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Speaker 1: Piastri went onto the wrong strategy very early, having lost

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Speaker 1: that was a version of the car that was just

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Speaker 1: less competitive full stop. That it likes these high speed

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Speaker 1: it should have been equal with McLaren. But the fact

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Speaker 1: that it was just ahead of McLaren means, yes, we

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Speaker 1: need more evidence to understand it. But that's really interesting

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Speaker 1: because that is something no one saw coming, including I

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Speaker 1: think Red Bull Racing. Listening to Christian Hornet speak after

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Speaker 1: the race, he was surprised by what he called McLaren's underperformance.

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Speaker 1: McLaren's team Bridge Andrea Stelle said he was surprised that

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Speaker 1: his team couldn't match with the Red Bull Racing car.

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Speaker 1: So I think that in itself makes this such an

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Speaker 1: interesting result because it is so against not just the

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Speaker 1: don't think it's an outlier enough, right. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm crazy in saying this. We have outlying circuits. We're

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Speaker 1: about to go to the biggest outlier, which is Monaco. Yes,

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Speaker 1: similar is a particular track. It is a narrow it's

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Speaker 1: old school in many ways, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: enough of a whacky track, even with these very soft

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a whacky enough track to go, well,

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Speaker 2: I also think this probably you know, it's stating the

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Speaker 2: obvious to a degree, but this might be the best

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Speaker 2: version of Max forstaff. And we've seen in that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't need to have a car advantage. He doesn't even

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do you know, Look, Andreastella is going

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Speaker 2: say with Oscar, And look, I don't think if there's

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Speaker 2: you are in these sorts of situations. I can't prepared.

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Speaker 2: Alex Albon recorded his third top five finished of the

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Speaker 2: year in the first seven rounds for Williams on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: It's now the most successful season in his tenure at Williams.

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Speaker 2: After seven rounds, he has scored forty points this season

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Speaker 2: and it's gone. It's gone beyond the Oh wow, look,

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Speaker 2: Alex Albon's doing well today. This is all very nice

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Speaker 2: and interesting to the point now where you are absolutely

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Speaker 2: expecting him to be in Q three, and you are

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Speaker 2: absolutely expecting him to be there, to be ahead of

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Speaker 2: the second Red borord about her who it is this

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Speaker 2: driving it and possibly mixing it with some Ferraris and

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Speaker 2: if Mercedes are a little bit off, he's almost the

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Speaker 2: guy now that he's inherited the Fernando a lot so

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Speaker 2: ronger or two years ago, and that if one of

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Speaker 2: those top teams was going to drop the ball, there

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Speaker 2: was going to be a green Aston Martin in there

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Speaker 2: and start twenty twenty three, Albon just gets better and

448
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Speaker 2: better and better. And of course the other thing I

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Speaker 2: keep thinking is he'd look pretty good in that second

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Speaker 2: red Bull, right, But that's a that's a story from

451
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Speaker 2: a by good era. But that's going to be my

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Speaker 2: My move of the week is Alex Albon elevating himself

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Speaker 2: above anything else he's done in his Williams tenure and

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Speaker 2: making that team more credible by the weekend. So a

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Speaker 2: slightly left field move of the week, but that's where

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Speaker 2: I'm going now.

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Speaker 1: I like it a lot. It is a great Move

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Speaker 1: of the Week contender, considering it's not just his second

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Speaker 1: fifth place in a row, but it's the second week

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Speaker 1: in a row he's been racing the Ferraris and beating

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Speaker 1: at least one of them after of course the Miami

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix as well. It is a remarkable situation for

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Speaker 1: him to find himself there. I feel like he's the

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Speaker 1: right guy to find himself there as well, because he

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Speaker 1: just's he's obviously undaunted by racing at the front, because

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Speaker 1: he's done it before, it's been successful elsewhere, and then

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Speaker 1: of course did race at the front briefly with Red

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Speaker 1: Bull Racing as well before he was dropped from the tea.

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Speaker 1: But just feels like the right guy to just, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's another opportunity. I'm going to take that. Another opportunity

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Speaker 1: from it, I'm going to take that one as well.

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Speaker 1: Nothing seems to trip him up when the race unfolds,

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Speaker 1: either for or against him. He's exactly the right guy

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Speaker 1: to suddenly be dicing with Charle Clair and then, had

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Speaker 1: he not been run off the road, an interesting bit

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Speaker 1: of contentious driving slash stewarding slash interpretation of the rules

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Speaker 1: as to whether or not he was entitled to that corner.

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Speaker 1: Everyone talking themselves in nots a little bit about that one.

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, had he not been off the road, felt

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Speaker 1: like he could have raced not just Lewis Hamilton, but

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Speaker 1: even Oscar Piastre for third. And he doesn't say that

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Speaker 1: stuff just for fun, like he's not because williams the

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Speaker 1: position that's in. It's not making things up when it

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Speaker 1: says that genuinely felt like he had that pace remarkable,

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Speaker 1: And I think particularly because and he segues us very

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Speaker 1: well to our subsequent talking topic, which was going to

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Speaker 1: be how Ferrari's doing and William's doing it at the

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Speaker 1: same time. But for him to be doing this at

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Speaker 1: a track they didn't expect to be competitive at. You know,

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Speaker 1: they knew Miami was probably are going to suit them.

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Speaker 1: They think that the Monico will suit them as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's a good chance for them to go back

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Speaker 1: to back to back with some big performance. It's but

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Speaker 1: at a track where the car shouldn't have been that

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Speaker 1: good to roll out and actually be pretty good. And

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Speaker 1: both cars were good. Carlos Science was made a little

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Speaker 1: bit unlucky by the secety car timings and such. That's

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Speaker 1: a massive vote of confidence for Williams, not just this season,

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Speaker 1: but it's the same guys of course developing next year's

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Speaker 1: car that they started developing pretty much from the first

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Speaker 1: of January and ignored this car. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: a bit of optimism now for Williams in even the

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Speaker 1: short term.

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Speaker 2: It's been so long since we've actually had a sensible

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Speaker 2: conversation about Williams being a legitimate Formula One team. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've obviously thought so much about their heritage and where

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Speaker 2: they've come from and the success, but they've not been

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Speaker 2: that team for a very very long time now. And

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Speaker 2: I guess you know your point made about twenty six

510
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Speaker 2: and they're all in for twenty six. They should be

511
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Speaker 2: all in for twenty six. But if we didn't have

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Speaker 2: a big rule change for next year, it'd be so

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Speaker 2: interesting to see given this start that they've had, It's

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Speaker 2: fifty one points in the constructors now after seven rounds,

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Speaker 2: which is just not something Williams has done for a

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Speaker 2: really long time. It'd be so interesting if we had

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Speaker 2: another year of this rule set next year and they

518
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Speaker 2: really kept on developing that car. I trust what they

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Speaker 2: do at a week to week basis right now more

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Speaker 2: than any team other than McLaren to be quite honest,

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Speaker 2: because Rebel, we know, can be in that sweet spot

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Speaker 2: where the Stappa can win races, or it can be

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Speaker 2: frustratingly nowhere Mercedes if the sun comes out, no good. Ferrari?

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Speaker 2: Who Ferrari? Look, they don't know, so why are we

525
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Speaker 2: supposed to know? Like to me, they're almost the second

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Speaker 2: and most believable team in Formula One, not right now,

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Speaker 2: because there's a sense of comfort when you watch them.

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Speaker 2: It goes, Yeah, I think I know what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get from these guys, and they're just delivering race

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Speaker 2: after race.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a consistency about it now, and I

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Speaker 1: thought it was. It was telling an important Carlos signed

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Speaker 1: set afterwards because he felt like mistakes were made over

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Speaker 1: the course of the race. He said, well, this is

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Speaker 1: the year for those mistakes to be made. Yeah. Next

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Speaker 1: year it's the real deal, because they think they'll have

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Speaker 1: a car, whether the obviously no one knows where the

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Speaker 1: cars are going to be, but they think they're going

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Speaker 1: to have a competitive generally car, a step forward on

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Speaker 1: this year's car, or this car has been better than

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Speaker 1: I think they thought it was going to be. In

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Speaker 1: the preseason. This is the time to bed those things down.

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Speaker 1: It does feel like where McLaren was maybe two years ago.

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Speaker 1: And I speak again not necessarily for the relative competiti risks,

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Speaker 1: because no one knows next year, but two years ago

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Speaker 1: where suddenly McLaren was more competitive than it thought it

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Speaker 1: was going to be and was suddenly making these decisions

548
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Speaker 1: that had much more weight because this wasn't about whether

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Speaker 1: or not you finished twelve or thirteenth, but it could

550
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Speaker 1: be a matter of whether or not you score, or

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Speaker 1: potentially whether or not it's the top five or maybe

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Speaker 1: even depending on the track, a podium. I mean that

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Speaker 1: can't be totally out of the question. If the front

554
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Speaker 1: runners are as chaotically placed as they are at the moment,

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Speaker 1: they carry a lot more weight. The risk feels much

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Speaker 1: better that bigger. The stakes are obviously much larger, you

557
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Speaker 1: bet in those decision making protocols. Now, you know they

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Speaker 1: talked about it in Miami, where there was a bit

559
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Speaker 1: of a frakka about the team orders. They realized they

560
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Speaker 1: made a mistake in the way they ran it. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to do it again. Next year could be

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Speaker 1: really promising, and obviously they have a driver line up

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Speaker 1: to do it. You know, I feel like Alex Alboin

564
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Speaker 1: has improved this year with Carlos Science next to him.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Science know how good he is, and it feels

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Speaker 1: like he's finally found his feet. It's an exciting time

567
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Speaker 1: to be with him as a long time as we

568
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Speaker 1: said that a couple of decades, but it's coming back around.

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Speaker 2: It is, and I just think there's a there's leadership,

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Speaker 2: there's a pathway there. They've got a terrific driver lineup.

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Speaker 2: They don't go down the path of over promising and

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Speaker 2: under delivering. Everything's very sensible. They feel like a legitimate

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Speaker 2: Formula One team again, and it's been painful to watch

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Speaker 2: them not be that for so so long, floundering around.

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Speaker 2: They now seem like a legit F one team, Like

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Speaker 2: are they ever going to get back to their championship

577
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Speaker 2: winning pomp of days? Look, I don't think so. I

578
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Speaker 2: don't think a team like that can succeed like that

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Speaker 2: in Formula One anymore. Now I'm happy to be proven

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Speaker 2: incorrect on that one. But I can't necessarily see that.

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Speaker 2: But as you know, you're not looking down to the

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Speaker 2: last row of the grid to find them sadly just

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Speaker 2: making up the numbers anymore. They feel like a legit

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Speaker 2: Formula One team in my unofficial scale in my head

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Speaker 2: of which team principle would you want running, you know,

586
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Speaker 2: pit talk GP when we start our own Formula one team,

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Speaker 2: James vows would be fairly close to the top of

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Speaker 2: my list. Listeners could probably work out through the rest

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Speaker 2: of our episodes wh'd be down towards the bottom, but

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Speaker 2: that's up to you. But he is. He feels like

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Speaker 2: the right guy at the right time to lead this

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Speaker 2: team in its current state, making the best of what

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Speaker 2: they have, and I'm super interested to see what they

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Speaker 2: do in twenty twenty six because all the pieces seem

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Speaker 2: to be in place for them to take a step up.

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Speaker 2: Where that leaves in the pecking order, we don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it feels like something we should be watching.

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Speaker 1: So let's slip this one around to the other perspective now.

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Speaker 1: Because Williams has been benefiting off Ferrari's missteps. That's been

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Speaker 1: pretty clear of the last two rounds at least. But

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Speaker 1: the fact for the last two weekends we've been talking

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Speaker 1: about Ferrari finishing behind Williams at least one car or

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Speaker 1: both Ferraris in the case of the performance in Miami

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I mean that is remarkable

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Speaker 1: in itself. I think you made the comment two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: what is this nineteen ninety seven. Yes, that's what it

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Speaker 1: feels like. We're talking about a really rollercoaster a weekend

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Speaker 1: for Ferrari, its first home race of the year, Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's first home Ferrari race as well. It's worse qualifying

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Speaker 1: by far of the year. On Saturday, both drivers relatively

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Speaker 1: closely matts or just in qualifying, but over the course

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Speaker 1: of the weekend, so it sort of tells you that

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Speaker 1: usually when that's the case, you're getting the most out

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Speaker 1: of the car, and this car just was not a

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Speaker 1: top ten car, I believe. I read the statistic that's

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Speaker 1: the lowest Ferraris ever qualified in Himmel ever, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty sad. But then on Sunday better In fact, race

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Speaker 1: pace looked pretty good. It's got to be said, Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton finished on your second half behind Oscar Piastre. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he was on quite a different strategy in Piastre had

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Speaker 1: been hobbled by his own strategy in the timings of

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Speaker 1: the safety cars. But nonetheless he was there. He was

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Speaker 1: in contention for a little bit. Charlot Clair could have

624
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Speaker 1: finished right behind him, but for that Alex Albon scuffle

625
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Speaker 1: that they decided was better to give the position back

626
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Speaker 1: than risk a penalty that could have dropped him out

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Speaker 1: of the points. This is the first time, Matt, that

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Speaker 1: I've kind of been tempted to believe the arguments from

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Speaker 1: Ferrari that actually there's a quick car in there, but

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Speaker 1: it can't qualify well, and that's the problem. What did

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Speaker 1: you make of this weekend? Because I think it's a

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Speaker 1: complicated one really to sum up in the sense of

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Speaker 1: what it tells us about where Ferrari actually is, You're.

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Speaker 2: A kind of man than me, which not just in

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Speaker 2: this instance, just in life generally. Let's pull the curtain back.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real about this, but is there a quick

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Speaker 2: car in there? Look? Probably, do I have any faith

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Speaker 2: in Ferrari knowing how to extract that, and then once

639
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Speaker 2: they know how to extract that, to be able to

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Speaker 2: repeat it. Because this is the way you build a

641
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Speaker 2: championship campaign over ten months and twenty four rounds. You

642
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Speaker 2: only have to look at the way the mood and

643
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Speaker 2: the performance has swing so violently within twenty four hours,

644
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Speaker 2: as in the case of the m of the weekend,

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Speaker 2: dreadful Saturday, absolutely nowhere on Saturday, and then on Sunday

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Speaker 2: like Lewis Hamilton's finished fourth. That's lovely, which is great.

647
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Speaker 2: It's great that they've got a result. Theyn't get me wrong,

648
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: you know it's fos. He went home relatively happy because

649
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: from such an underperforming Saturday. If you'd said to this

650
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: FOCI before the weekend, your cars will finish fourth and six,

651
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: they would have said, well, that's a bit rubbish. But

652
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: given the way that Saturday went, Sunday probably seemed like

653
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: a bit of a victory in some degree.

654
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: But I.

655
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: Don't trust what they're going to deliver on a race

656
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: to race basis, and I'm not surprised anymore when it's

657
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: really really good or really really bad, because there seems

658
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: to be no middle ground and they just vacillate wildly

659
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: from one extreme to the next. So look, do I

660
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: think this, I mean, we know your point in about qualifying,

661
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: where you've got two drivers very very close to one another,

662
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: absolutely positioned nowhere, shows you that they've got the they've

663
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: got the guys behind the wheel to do the job.

664
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: We know how good these two guys are, even with

665
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton, you know, taking some time to settle into

666
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: Ferrari by the same token, I just can't. I can't

667
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: trust that they're going to get on top of what

668
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: they need to get on top of on a week's

669
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: a week basis to be able to fight for these

670
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: sorts of positions, because to my mind, you've got these.

671
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, McLaren is the best car right now. Vestappan's

672
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: doing amazing things in a Red Bull. George Russell's quietly

673
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: having an excellent season in a Mercedes, and I'm not

674
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: one hundred percent I think he's outperforming maybe the capability

675
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: of that car. By the way I described that, to me,

676
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: there's a space there for Ferrari to quite neatly slot

677
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: into if they can get things right and be consistent

678
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: with their performance. But they can't get things right and

679
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: be consistent with their performance. Just the wild fluctuations week

680
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 2: to week is the thing that's confusing me the most.

681
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: And I don't one hundred percent trust that they even

682
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: know the answer to this themselves, But I guess look

683
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Lewis Hamilton finished fourth,

684
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: Charla Clair finished sixth. We move on Monaco, massive outliary,

685
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: as you said, but at what point do they start

686
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: turning a tap off and thinking about twenty twenty six?

687
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: But can you approach twenty twenty six with any confidence

688
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: that you'll understand how things are going where it doesn't

689
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: appear that they've got their head around twenty twenty five.

690
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really Remarkably, the Italian media has been reporting

691
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: that Ferrari intends to continue some level of development until

692
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: the mid season break, which seems quite late for these regulations.

693
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: A lot of that's going to be mechanical, which they

694
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: feel like could cross over into some lessons for next

695
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: year because mechanically, I guess the cars are, you know,

696
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: four wheels and some suspension on them. Fine, I'll kind

697
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: of buy that. But it nonetheless feels like a lot

698
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: of focus on this year's car. But I think that

699
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: does speak to, as you we are alluding to, their

700
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: the need for the team to understand why this year's

701
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: car has gone wrong when it felt like they had

702
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum behind them last season, and you know,

703
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: looking at this this weekend overall, it was really interesting

704
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: as well. I think considering the drivers seem so closely

705
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: matched that the different responses from those drivers, both in

706
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: qualifying and in the race, you know, no one was presenting.

707
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: Qualifying was good, but Lewis Hamilton was almost bizarrely upbeat.

708
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: It's like it finally come to terms with what Ferrari

709
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: was all about. But this was going to be it,

710
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: and this is the dream that he wanted to be living.

711
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: But then the same after the race, now as he

712
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: finished fourth, which is his best Grand Prix result of

713
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: the year, certainly, so I guess he had some reason

714
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: to feel good. But he had a fun race, I guess.

715
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: But even though Charlotte Their could have finished right behind

716
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: him and lost that position was disappointed by but Nonethelairs

717
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: remained very pessimistic about where Ferrari was and I feel

718
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: like you could probably certainly my interpretation of it is

719
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: that Hamilton's the new guy there. He's still growing into

720
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: the role. So every weekend probably does feel a little

721
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: bit better and better for him, genuinely, but he can't

722
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: exactly go out and the meaning go go. This team's

723
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: just no good apologizing on behalf of to the fans.

724
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Whereas Charlotte Clair as the credit at the bank. With Ferrari,

725
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: he is the Ferrari lifer. Yes, he can go out

726
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: and say, we can only apologize. I'm not a miracle worker.

727
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: This is what the car's capable of. This is it.

728
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I think that that was quite interesting. So I think

729
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: if you were to draw an interpretation from the drivers,

730
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: I'd be more inclined to take the cues from.

731
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: Leclair here completely.

732
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: That's much less rosy a picture, no.

733
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Lewis, Hamilton's watching the movie for the first time, Charlotte

734
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: Claire's watching the movie for the sixth time, and he

735
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: knows how it ends. And I think that's the difference

736
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: between the two of them at the moment, is that

737
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Hamilton sees a glass that you could probably put war into,

738
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: and Nale close going, oh man, this feels a bit

739
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: like a previous year, at a previous year, at a

740
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: previous year before that. But I do wonder you mentioned

741
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: the Italian media before, who are not known for being

742
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: hugely rational. What times of Ferrari underperformance. I wonder how

743
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: much of a free pass. I wonder how much grace

744
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: they're being given this year, because Ferrari can always say, well, look,

745
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: we're focusing so much on next year. We're focusing on

746
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: next year. Next year is the big chance. I wonder

747
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: if they're getting a little bit of a free a

748
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: free pass from what can be a very very critical

749
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: media corps and fan base because there is always next year.

750
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: And sometimes you can say that in the same set

751
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: of regulations and you're to use one of your favorite

752
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: saying it's kicking the can down the road. But next

753
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: year we've got a whole new can. So perhaps that's

754
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: what they're thinking about.

755
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. From my reading of what's

756
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: been published in the Italian media, surprisingly muted, I think

757
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I think they know it's much more about the car.

758
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton's not coming in too much for too much

759
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: stick when I think that you possibly could have after

760
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: the last few races or the last couple have been

761
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: much better. So that's good for him. But I think

762
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six does get them a little bit out

763
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: of jail. I'll have to wait and see what happens

764
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Perhaps you'd like to predict it

765
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: in the crystal Ball brought to you by Complete Home Filtration.

766
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up. Of course, it's important to look

767
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: forward to the future. We're in the thick of some

768
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: really quite a lot of racing between Formula One and

769
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Motor GP and then before a couple of weeks Supercars

770
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: as well, because well for the European sports, we are

771
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: in the European leg of the season when the races

772
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: come pretty thick and fast. I'll give you the first

773
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: one now, Matt, since you didn't like me going first.

774
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: For change in the r move of the week, it's

775
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: up to you. You can kick us off.

776
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: That's fine, I'll allow it just this once. But I

777
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: congratulations on the excellent professional segue you just manished to

778
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: stitch together there. But we have one of those crazy

779
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: motorsport weekends where we have Formula one and Motor GP

780
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: in Europe at about the same time. So we have

781
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: a Moto GP sprint at Silveston at one am on

782
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: Sunday morning. One for the enthusiasts at me, I would say,

783
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: but I'm going to go two wheels with my prediction

784
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: this weekend. And this doesn't sound like an outlandish prediction

785
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: until you look at recent history and history over a decade.

786
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: I'm picking Mark Marquees to win the British Motorcycle Grand

787
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Prix on Sunday at Silveston the ten pm start. You

788
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: go out on a limboy day here us. He hasn't

789
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: won either of the last two Grand Prix this season,

790
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: and he hasn't won the British Motorcycle Grand Prix since

791
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and fourteen. Wow, that's how long it has been.

792
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: His second motor GP season, where he won the first

793
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: ten races of that season, Silverston being one of them.

794
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: He's nearly won the British Grand Prix several times since.

795
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: I remember the one where he was beaten by about

796
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: half a wheel by Alex Rinz on a Suzuki back

797
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: in nineteen astonishing to think he hasn't won at this

798
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: circuit for eleven years, so given the form that he's

799
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: in and the bike that he's on, surely that's one

800
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: of those.

801
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: Look.

802
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: He hadn't won at Catafa t years either, and he

803
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: managed to do that back in round four. So I'm

804
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: predicting of Mark Marquez win, but not just Oh Mark

805
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: Marqueess is going to turn up and annihilate everybody. This

806
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: is a track where he hasn't gone particularly well relative

807
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: to some of the ones that he does but this

808
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: Sunday for me is the end of that streak. And

809
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: what's more interesting for me is that I did a

810
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: little digging for a piece of Fox Sports earlier in

811
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: the week and when he finished second to Joan Zaco

812
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: at Lemon in all of his career podiums, that's the

813
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: most It's the furthest behind first place he's ever been.

814
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: When he finished second to Grand Prix Yes, over nineteen seconds,

815
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: I go won that race by So it's the most

816
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: that Marquez has been beaten by in a race when

817
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: he's finished second in his entire career. He scored more

818
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: points in Lemont than the next five guys on the

819
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: championship table combined. So two things for me, I think

820
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: this is the last time we've seen the matter GP

821
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Championship league change for the entire year. And when we

822
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: look back at the end of twenty twenty five as

823
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: to what was the decisive moment, it might be a

824
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: race that he was beaten to second place by more

825
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: than he'd been beaten in his entire career that ended

826
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: up being the decisive race of the World Championship. So

827
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: all that being said, I'm predicting a Mark Marquez win

828
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: for Sunday at Silverston. But while where christ Balling and

829
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: Chris my crystal Ball last week, I'm going to burn

830
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: any evidence of that because it was very, very very bad.

831
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: Where are you going for this weekend, given that we've

832
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: got a fearbit going on, including Monaco and eighty five

833
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: hundred as well.

834
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and no Infinelly on the podium fil Crystaball. Yes,

835
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred with Robert Schwartzman on pole position. Yes,

836
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: which is I mean, look, I'm no IndyCar for Shionado,

837
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: so I don't pretend to know too much about the

838
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: ins and outs of it. But that is pretty remarkabul

839
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: for the premier team, which I think has no I

840
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: was reading, has no major backer. They're just having a

841
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: crack and they've had a good crack and over the

842
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: course of the race, remarkable stuff. But no, my crystal Ball.

843
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: I'll stick with Formula one, the Monaco Grand Prix, the

844
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: big one, well one of the big ones, I suppose.

845
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with a little sort of statistical

846
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: cadence here because since twenty twenty one had been not

847
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: that long ago, Max Ustaffan has won every other year

848
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: in Monaco, it's either been win or well not win. Obviously,

849
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: it's a nice little pattern, so I think he's going

850
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: to be due for one this year because that's what

851
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: the pattern says. This would be though, his first back

852
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: to back victories since Canada in Spain pretty much this

853
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: time last year. That of course preceded the ten Grand

854
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Prix drought that completely swung the constructors championships certainly, but

855
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: also understanding of form in Formula One because it was

856
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: the resurgence of McLaren So I think he can win

857
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: in Monaco as well. This is a track that should

858
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: not suit this car, but it will be a massive

859
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: signifier of the idea that actually Red Bull Racing's probably

860
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: figured out its car. I've just looked at the weather

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Speaker 1: forecast as well. Saturday could be raining, so you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think it could just about stack up, and we

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Speaker 1: know the race is one really in qualifying in Monaco,

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Speaker 1: so I don't got to put it past him.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind that at all. The thing I love

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Speaker 2: about Monico best Q three of the year, the Q

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Speaker 2: three there in twenty twenty three, the lap that vestappen

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Speaker 2: we pinbare off the barriers a couple of times in

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Speaker 2: the last sector to beat Fernando altso we thought he

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Speaker 2: had pole. It's the best Q three of the year

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Speaker 2: and probably the worst race of the year. Whispered it quietly,

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Speaker 2: but qualifying at Monaco, washing those cars on the limit,

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Speaker 2: no fuel in them, guys absolutely ragging it. Knowing what's

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Speaker 2: at stake on the Sunday is absolute must ce TV

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Speaker 2: and I'm very much looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it generally, I've had to admit this dre it

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Speaker 1: generally not a great race, but when it is a

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Speaker 1: good race, it could be the best race of the

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Speaker 1: year because it takes a lot to generate a good

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Speaker 1: race in Monaco, so it's worth keeping an eye on

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Speaker 1: it at least for that reason. But that's all the

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Speaker 1: This weekend it is the British Motorcycle Grand Prix with

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Speaker 1: lights out at ten pm on Sunday, followed by the

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Speaker 1: Monaco Formula One Grand Prix with lights out at eleven pm.

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