WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 17 February 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.920 Lately the general welcome late to play well, thanks for 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:08.399 joining us. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.680 I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and filling in for 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.120 Listra Caroline Marcus. We've got a lot to get through tonight, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.720 including you know, there's a fair bit of animosity between 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.480 the US and Canada at the moment after Donald Trump 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.080 suggested that Canada should become the fifty first US state 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.800 will they faced off in an ice hockey game at 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.320 the weekend. There wasn't a lot of hockey. We'll show 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.680 you what did happen a little later. Plus, when we 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.000 look at the papers, concerns that Australian school students know 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.840 almost nothing about our political system. It tends to show 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.400 around voting time and fire departments issue fresh warnings about 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.000 the dangers of e scooters. All of that when we 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.760 get to the papers. Oh, there's also possibly a rate 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.520 cut tomorrow, the papers doing that one as well. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.280 We'll look at that a bit later. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.800 But first, with the polls turning against him, Anthony Albinezi 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:02.200 has sought help to revive his fortunes. So who do 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:07.080 you think Anthony Albanesi is turning to for advice? Remember 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.560 Anthony Albenese's never been particularly good at reading the room, 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.480 which perhaps explains why Australia's I don't know dopious man 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.520 has turned to Australia's most hated man for help, Daniel Andrews. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.440 That's right, Anthony Albanesi, in need of help, has decided 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.080 to turn to the former Victorian Premier, Dan Andrews to 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.040 help him prepare for debates with Peter Dutton. Now, I 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.800 know most people regard Dan Andrews as having been the 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.680 consummate political mastermind. He did win three elections, after all, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.040 but Caleb and Caroline that's mostly because he avoided tough 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.840 interviews famously, he didn't go on three aw for years. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.760 And of course Anthony Alberenezi needs to bear in mind 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.320 unlike Victoria, Australia isn't gripped by Stockholm syndrome. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.280 Well, Neil Mitchell, I'm told still takes sleeping pills to 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.720 get over the fact that Daniel Andrews wouldn't talk to 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.160 him for years and years and years. But you're right, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.160 I mean he is one of the best. Actually, I'm 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.760 going to say he is the best politician this country. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.600 Daniel Andrews iman has seen in fifty years. When I 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.320 say best, I don't mean that he did great things 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.440 for Victoria, but that he was just an excellent politician. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.720 He understands how to gather and hoard power and to 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.520 then use that over everyone else. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:24.600 That's why he. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.440 Was so successful as premier. Not because he was necessarily 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.280 the greatest salesman to the public, but he understands power 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.880 and how power works better than almost anyone else in 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.680 this country. And he single handedly turned the Labor Party 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.120 in Victoria from the Labor right to the socialist left. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.959 And by the end of his premiership he had ministers, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.640 including Tim Pallas who just recently departed as a treasurer 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.960 and on the way out left a ten percent swing 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.359 against his party in his seat of Werribee, coming from 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.919 the Labor right to sign up to the socialist left 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.280 so he can remain as treasurer. That is how Daniel 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.320 Andrews operated. That is what Albanez he wants. He wants 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.120 a bit of that big dog energy that Daniel Andrews had, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.880 because he is as limp as a piece of wet letters. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.320 To use the line, of course that another Labor leader, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.079 Paul Keating once used once upon a time, and it's 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.360 no surprise that he would go to someone like Daniel 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.760 Andrews for a bit of advice. The only problem I 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.200 suspect is that it ain't going to do much for him. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.560 I mean at this point in the game, and if 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.679 you look at the debate he had last time in 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:33.760 when was it? 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:34.720 When was the last leg? 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.680 Twenty two Scott Morrison, I mean, it feels. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:44.520 Like yesterday anyway, it feels like a day. I still 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.880 I remember sitting there on the night in the news. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.600 It feels like yesterday to me. But the debates they had. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.680 Last time were terrible, right, he was so out of form, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.720 so I'm not surprised that Albo would want to give 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.480 it a better go this time. I don't think you 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.240 could tell him anything though. He's just weak in front 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:00.640 of a camera. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:01.640 I don't think that changes. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:02.840 What do you reckon? Carole? 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.360 I disagree with Caleb. I think it's one thing to 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:12.600 captivate a Victorian demographic. It's another thing altogether to win 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.720 over the rest of the country. And if you put 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.800 Dan Andrews almost anywhere else in the country, I don't 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.960 think he would have performed as well as he did 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 in Victoria, where Let's face it, a lot of the 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.240 voters are not like anywhere else in Australia, and at 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.080 the moment he's not even He's pretty on the nose 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.520 himself within his own state, after what came out of 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.960 the review into what happened with the car crash that 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.479 he was involved in, after revelations that he's taken this 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:46.000 very cushy consultancy job post politics. So I don't know 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.480 that it would even help Anthony Albanezi win in places 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.960 like Queensland, where the latest News poll shows that he's 0:04:55.000 --> 0:05:00.479 recorded the highest dissatisfaction ratings. That's the seats that those 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.640 are the places he really needs to convince, not the 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:09.440 people in Victoria who Daniel Andrews was speaking to in 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.880 keeping his power. Those people are already on labor side. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.600 Maybe some of them might be thinking of going Greens, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.280 but those people are already one over. And I think 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.040 there's probably this news looks terrible for the government that 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.800 this has come out because among pretty much the rest 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.400 of the country, if not as a point out Victoria itself, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.279 he is deeply unpopular. Daniel leaving in Victoria. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.280 I mean he can't join a golf club. Kenny in 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.640 his own state. They don't want him as a member. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.200 You mentioned Newspaul. Let's have a quick look at some 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.120 of the latest results from Newspaul out over the weekend. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.280 The two party preferred vote sees Labor on forty nine 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.320 percent training the Coalition on fifty one percent. Anthony Alberinezi 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.440 is still regarded as the better prime minister. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.360 He leads Peter Dutton by five points. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.680 And when it comes to whether Labour should be given 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.839 a second term, well that's good news for Albanzi. Only 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.800 thirty four percent of voters say yes he deserves another 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.680 go in the lodge, fifty three percent saying no, he 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.839 does not, thirteen percent still unsure. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:11.799 Of course, their. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.080 Primary vote at the moment is just thirty one percent. 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.800 That's the lowest ever, and bear in mind it's lowest 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.559 still than at the last election when it was thirty 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.200 two point six percent. What Dan Andrews is going to 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:28.120 do specifically for Peter for Anthe Albanesi hang on. I 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.400 was about to say Peter Dutton, but I'll tell you why, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.360 because Albaneze will have to debate Dutton, and Albanzi is 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.279 a terrible debater. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.000 I mean, he's terrible with detail. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.000 Remember prior to the last election, he was quizzed on 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.359 some pretty basic economic information and he couldn't come up 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.320 with the cash rate, for instance. So he's going to 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.479 be rehearsing debates and Dan Andrews is going to stand 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.599 in and pretend to be Peter Dutton in these mock debates, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.360 preparing him for the real thing. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:57.359 So I don't know. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.760 Maybe Andrews will help because he'll run rings around Albanese 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:02.680 as a debate exactly. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:03.760 But I mean he'll be. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.000 Teaching Albanezer to say things like I don't recall, that's 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:08.080 not how I remember it. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.360 I have no recollection of that. We're doing good things. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.400 I mean that's pretty much what he said for nine 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:14.480 years as the premiere. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.360 Yes, well, if Elbow starts saying, look, we're just following 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:22.200 your health advice, and I will defer to brit Sutton 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.800 on this, or perhaps Shane Patton, who of course has 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.400 just lost his job as police commissioner in Victoria, we 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:30.360 should be a bit worried. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.560 But the polling you mentioned there with news POLM, there was. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.240 Quite a few poles out over the weekend, and I 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.920 know Paul was going into detail on some of them. 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:39.240 Just an hour ago. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.559 But it's interesting if you look at the Ugov pole 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.880 which came out yesterday and the ABC was running, which 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.800 went down into sort of a seat by seat breakdown. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.760 What we're talking about here is two interesting things. One 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.400 is that none of the TL seats, according to this pole, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.840 would go back to the Libs, which to me indicates 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.840 that the Libs need to forget about the inner city 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.080 and they need to folks on the outer suburbs. Because 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.480 the other thing this pole found was that outer suburban 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.240 Melbourne and outer suburban Sydney were the two places where 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.440 they had found the biggest swings towards the Liberal Party. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.320 Keep in mind these are areas with large migrant. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.320 Populations as well, and that on that pole, Labor would 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.480 lose three seats in the Hunter, which is coal Marning 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.280 territory that has always been labor heartland. So what we're 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.120 looking at here is a major turnaround in the stocks 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.319 of who votes for the Labor Party and who votes 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.200 for the Liberal Party, which in politics in the last 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.640 four or five decades is almost unprecedented. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.360 Basically, the other interesting thing, Caroline, is that these polls 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.800 found very little difference in men and women when asked 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.160 do we need a change of government? I think it 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.320 was fifty three percent of men said yes and fifty 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.959 two percent of women. So maybe the Liberals don't need 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.679 to worry too much about their perceived women problem either. 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.800 Just get on with good policies rather than quotas and 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.520 all that kind of not Just remember they famously ditched 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.960 Warren Mundine as a pre selected candidate because they felt 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.319 they needed a woman in that seat. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.199 Look, I mean, as our colleague Peter Kretlin put it 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.320 so well the other week, women vote on the same 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.680 issues as men. They're also concerned with cost of living 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:28.360 for their families. They're also concerned with immigration levels, housing, affordability, crime. 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:33.720 Of course, there's some separate concerns that women have that 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.760 perhaps men don't. But these are not issues that generally 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.080 speaking drive people at elections, and it's certainly not for 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.800 a lot of women. How many women give me the 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.520 percentage breakdown they are in a party? I mean, I 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.680 think a lot of women would feel the way I 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.000 do and despise that kind of tokenism. Don't want to 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:58.040 see women being put in a certain position simply because 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.560 of their gender. It's offensive. So look, I'm not surprised 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.679 to see that results and I think it just validates 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.920 what so many of us have been saying for so long. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.520 But look, speaking of Anthony Albanisi, who would have thought it. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.559 But the ABC has been inundated with complaints for being 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.920 too pro coalition after the Prime Minister gave a testy 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:26.480 interview with the public broadcasters Alice Springs Breakfast Show. Stuart 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:31.800 Brash conducted an interview with mister Albanzi on February seven 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:37.920 when he visited the Northern Territory and the Ompartsman revealed 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.960 a report revealed twenty one complaints were made to the 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:47.400 ABC about that interview. Apparently, complainants were concerned the interview 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.439 lacked in partiality because the interviewer asked questions that demonstrated 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.320 a pro coalition bias and repeatedly interrupted the Prime minister. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.959 We've got a little bit of that interview. 0:10:58.200 --> 0:10:59.920 Let's have a listen and then we'll talk about whether 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:03.440 or not the ABC gave the Prime minister two difficult 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:03.880 a time. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:04.720 Here's what happened. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.960 Interesting, I thought you're going to go with me for verbaling. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.160 You ever being on the nose with. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.600 The electorc as opposed to being an underdog. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.760 But that's okay, Can I ask you one last thing? 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.520 Beat whatever, there's enough people joined in, there's a bit 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:20.199 of a media and the ABC joined in on it sometimes. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:21.640 Okay, I've got to say. 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.520 I've got to say twenty one complaints. That must have 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.480 been everyone who was listening to that radio program rang 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.320 in to complain. But what was more revealing I felt 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.280 than the interviewers probing of Anthony Albanezi. And I mean, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.640 he is on the nose with the electorate. Their primary 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.079 vote is as low as it's ever been. It was 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:47.400 a fair enough question, but Elberinizi then complained about the 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.960 ABC interviewer giving him a tough time, saying we've got 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.040 enough media outlets doing that without the ABC, which sort 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.800 of is saying the quiet part out loud that the 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.760 Prime Minister actually expects to be given easy run by 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.040 the National Broadcast, which is what we've always said, and 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.240 the Prime Minister clearly thinks, yes, they ought to. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.240 Well, when he gives them payol or of a billion 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.240 dollars a year, he might expect something in return. Indeed, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.920 and this goes back to the point we're making before 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.640 about why he's got Daniel andrews In. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.800 He has a tendency to do this. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.120 He gets really testy with interviewers when they go places 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.960 he doesn't like. We've seen him do it with our 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.920 own Pete Stefanovic when he's tried to question him on 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.520 comments he's made before. He's done the same thing over 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.520 on the Today Show. When you get into territory, particularly 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.959 previously he's been talking about the RBA and comments that 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.359 have been made about whether or not government money contributes 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:39.920 to inflation. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.839 He goes, oh, no, the RBA has never said that. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:43.920 You're making that up. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.160 Well, it's all on the public record. And his response 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.679 to things he doesn't like is not to go look, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:50.920 I disagree with you on that. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:51.120 One. 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.320 Next question, he actually gets angry, and I think that 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.560 says a lot about where the Prime Minister's head is at. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.880 He is supposedly saying behind closed doors that he thinks 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.840 he can win the next election with an increased majority, right. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.080 I think in his head though, he knows he's in 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.080 a bit of trouble and that's how he gets into 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.559 a position like this. As for the twenty one people 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.600 seemed in a complaint, I mean, come on, imagine having 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.640 that much time in your day and loving the Prime 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.560 Minister so much that you would actually write into the 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.520 ABC to say that I think there's a great bastion 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.960 of left wing broadcasting is somehow biased against. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.199 The Prime mist It actually doesn't surprise me, because if 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.840 you look at the amount of complaints that the ABC 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.200 had over its coverage of the Guars at War, for instance, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.000 the majority of them have accused the ABC of being 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:49.240 too pro Israel. Its audience is just so starved of 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.240 any balance that when there's any semblance of some even 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.839 just the faintest whiff of it, as there has been 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:01.640 with the Guys and Conflicts coverage, then there's accusations of bias. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.640 In this example, it seemed pretty straightforward to me. This 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.679 was a stock standard political interview. It's how it should 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.880 be conducted. You have to ask tough questions of people 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:19.520 and power, hold them to account, ask for clarification. Sometimes 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.480 that requires interruption, which the host seemed to do fairly, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.720 and that's normal. But the ABC listeners and viewers have 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.560 just come to expect that the broadcaster is a mouthpiece 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:32.240 for the government. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.880 We should give some credit to the ABC radio host 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.720 Stuart Brash for taking on the Prime Minister brash by 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:40.520 nature exactly. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:41.080 That was the problem. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.560 It was a little too brash for the gint listens 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.080 of the abbey s. But have you seen the drips 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.200 on x or Twitter as it used to be, who 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:54.040 complain had nauseum that Insiders on a Sunday Morning has 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.720 turned into some sort of liberal party mouthpiece. There are 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.240 actually ABC viewers out there who watched the ABC and 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.480 even the ABC is not left wing enough for them. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.720 I mean, that's the sort of crazies we're talking about here. 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.920 Caroline mentioned Gaza before. You will remember, of course, the 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.280 shocking case last week of two nurses in New South 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.480 Wales who were working at Bankstown Hospital who were caught 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.640 on film saying that they would kill Israeli patients and 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.480 they would refuse to treat them, etc. The New South 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.280 Wales government turned around straight away and said they will 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.080 never work in a New South Wales hospital again, thank. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:32.560 You very much. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.760 The rest of the country followed soon after that all 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.400 the other states said they'll never work in our hospitals 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.280 again either. Well, they finally found some supporters. Would you 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.200 believe it amongst a bunch of Islamic groups, Now you 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.720 would think this would be the easiest thing in the world. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.600 If you want to make the point that. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.440 We don't actually agree with going that far. We might 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.239 have our disagreements over whose land it is, Israel or Palestine, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.000 but surely we can all agree that you don't kill 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.080 Israeli patients. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.720 Apparently not. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.760 This is from the odds today, a United Community COMMUNICA 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.360 put together by Stand for Palestine, which was a group 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.320 established and largely run by long standing his book Terrera 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.080 Operatives and his book Terrea is an extremist organization. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.560 We know that, but this has other groups on board 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:21.800 with it. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.680 It should be noted that the Muslim Votes, Independent Mob etc. 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.680 Saying they've slammed. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.080 What they call a coordinated outrage, claiming the response to 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.440 the two nurses comments was manufactured to serve a political narrative. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.000 This is the quote from their communicay. The most revealing 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.760 aspect of the reaction to the nurses video is not 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:46.760 the footage itself, but the speed, intensity, and uniformity of 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.480 response from certain political leaders and media outlets. It read, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.040 which was endorsed by more than fifty bodies or leaders 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.240 rang small mosques to statewide or nationwide groups. Outrage is 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.160 manufactured when it serves a political narrative with silence deployed 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.640 when the truth might expose the complicity of those in power. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:13.159 Silence over what exactly and what sort of feigned outrage? 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.880 I mean, what a strange idea that if you heard 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.160 someone saying that they would kill patients on the basis 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.480 of their nationality, that there would. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:22.680 Be national outrage. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.680 And oh, some media outlets, every media outlet in the country, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.200 every mainstream media outlet, treated that exactly as it should 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.680 have been treated. Every right thinking person in the country 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.040 treated that exactly how it should have been treated. And 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.399 yet you have more than fifty Islamic bodies in this 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:45.119 country saying, oh, well, they were treated too harshly. And 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.280 this goes to the point I was making last week 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.879 that when you import religions and cultures that are anathema 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.920 to yours, there will eventually come a point. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.760 Where we start to see the results of that. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.440 And I think this last week was one of those 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.159 moments where we go, hang on it, we actually have 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.879 a problem here, and then they're backed in by all 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.760 their compatriots. It proves the point. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.680 This begs a question to me that I've been grappling 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.240 with for some time, What exactly is the difference between 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.040 moderates and extremists, because I would love someone to explain 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.480 it to me. When you've got the Australian Federation of 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.000 Islamic Councils, when you've got the Islamic Council of Victoria, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.080 the Islamic Council of Western Australia, these are so called 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:30.520 moderate Islamic groups signing the same document as Wa Sinhadid, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.119 who described Jews as the descendants of pigs and monkeys. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.040 When you've got shik Ibrahim Dadoun, who said he was 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:41.160 elated at the October seven attacks on this same communicay 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.479 represented alongside these supposed moderate organizations. If you're moderate, you 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.280 say no to these extremists having anything to do with 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:50.000 your statement. 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:51.560 We've all been involved in. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.280 Politics and community organizations long enough that when joint communicators 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.080 are put out, you're very specific about who is part 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.040 of it and who is not part of it. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.040 How can you be moderate. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.920 When you're allowing people who have said Jews are apes monkeys, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.760 that October seven was a day of elation. When you 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.600 allow them to be part of your statement, you forfeit 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.520 the right to call yourself a moderate organization. You have 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.840 become as extreme as those who sign your document, and 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.240 I think we need to stop talking about extremists moderates. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.160 We've got a real problem here. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:27.400 Show me who your friends are, and I will tell 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:28.080 you who you are. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:28.680 Absolutely. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.320 The fact that they have signed a document not only 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.320 with the sheikhs and the hate preachers who you mentioned, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.159 but with his book Terrier, which is not banned in 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.280 Australia shamefully, it should be banned in many other countries, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:46.280 including Arab countries, for being too extremist, tells you everything 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.600 you need to know about these groups. Not one of 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:52.640 them has come out and unequivocally condemned, not this incident 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.680 or any of the other anti Submitic incidents, and there 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.359 have been so many since October seven. There's always an 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:05.320 attempt of minimization, of what aboutism, of reversing the victims 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.840 somehow making these nurses who threatened to kill Israelis and 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:15.080 have claimed that they've killed Israelis the victims in this episode. 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.879 It's deeply concerning. And then we saw Fatima Payman, the 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:24.679 former labor and a senator in Western Australia now in independence, 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:26.600 speak out and this is what she had to say 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:27.080 about it. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.399 These individuals have been fired, banned from ever working as 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:37.480 nurses again, raided by police, placed under the most intense 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:43.399 public scrutiny, and now the ones being hospitalized, they've apologized, they. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.120 Have been punished. 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.720 What is the end goal here? What exactly are we 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:52.560 trying to achieve justice or just public humiliation? We never 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.679 see the same level of anger and vitriol when the 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.800 roles are reversed, and. 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.080 Of course the roles are never reversed. She got I 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.520 was on to mention a case that is before the 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.159 courts of a woman who is a diagnosed schizophrenic who 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.960 drove her car at an Islamic shake that was in 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.399 the papers as well, that was covered, that is before 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.520 the cause. That woman has actually been charged, unlike these nurses, 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.320