Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening, Welcome to the program. Will tonight Albanezi's support
Speaker 2: is evaporating as Peter Ditton escalates his Palestinian visa attack.
Speaker 2: Upholster will be on the show to tell us how
Speaker 2: badly this security issue is costing the government. Plus Kevin
Speaker 2: Right accused of treating the Australian Embassy like a party house.
Speaker 2: You won't believe how much he's spent on a barbecue.
Speaker 2: And also on the show, the ABC has been awarded
Speaker 2: for its anti Israel coverage. Plus As Andrews said, Bombshell
Speaker 2: News that Britney Higgins will not give evidence in the
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds defamation trial. I'll explain why a little later,
Speaker 2: but first tonight. Anthony Albanese's political fortunes are crashing, with
Speaker 2: the guars of visa debate turning voters away from Labor.
Speaker 2: New polling today shows that Labour's primary vote has fallen
Speaker 2: to thirty two percent, while the Coalitions is at forty two.
Speaker 2: The Australians Denis Shanahan writes that Albanesi's tone deaf Gaza
Speaker 2: response risks a repeat of the voice, and Shanahan says
Speaker 2: this significantly. The latest Freshwater Strategy poll shows that since
Speaker 2: the guars of visa debate began, not only has done
Speaker 2: and closed on Albanezi as leader, but Labour support on
Speaker 2: the issues of national security and immigration and asylum have
Speaker 2: fallen markedly and Freshwater Strategies Leo Shanahan will be on
Speaker 2: the show tonight to explain this. Then there's the Herald's
Speaker 2: Resolve monitor which has shown that only ten percent of
Speaker 2: voters support Australia taking Palestinian refugees. This is an indication
Speaker 2: of where public sentiment is on this issue. Most Australians
Speaker 2: would want to be assured that a rigorous security of
Speaker 2: process is being followed, not security checks done in as
Speaker 2: little as one hour. Yet still Albanezi dug his heels
Speaker 2: in today, refusing to back down on security concerns around
Speaker 2: issuing visas to those in Hamask controlled gaza, and Dutton
Speaker 2: escalating his political attack on the Prime Minister over the issue.
Speaker 2: He tried to move a motion to force the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister to explain the security process.
Speaker 3: Can the Prime Minister confirm that no other government in
Speaker 3: Australian history has brought people from a war zone controlled
Speaker 3: by a listed terrorist organization on tourism visa on a
Speaker 3: tourist visa without the requisite checks and balances that would
Speaker 3: normally be conducted on a refugee and humanitarian visa.
Speaker 4: During their time in office, they issued more than one
Speaker 4: thousand visitor visas the two Palestinians from the occupied Palestinian
Speaker 4: territory during that entire time. Hamask Control old the Gaza
Speaker 4: strip their hypocrisy is just extraordinary.
Speaker 2: And Dutton also attacked alban Easy for misquoting the asiobos
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess. Here's how the Prime Minister took Burgess out
Speaker 2: of context. This is what he said in Parliament on Thursday.
Speaker 4: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
Speaker 4: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
Speaker 4: they're referred to my organization and ASIA does it sing.
Speaker 2: And and this is what Mike Burgess really said.
Speaker 1: They've been issued at visa, they've gone through the process.
Speaker 5: Part of that visa process is with criteria hit they're
Speaker 5: referred to my organization and ASIO does its thing.
Speaker 2: There were other remarks as well where the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: took Mike Burgess out of context, and we played those
Speaker 2: on the program on Thursday night, well with Parliament resuming today,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton accused Albany being duplicitous.
Speaker 3: You might leave out a sentence for the purposes of
Speaker 3: brevity or to make a point, but you can't leave
Speaker 3: out the middle of one sentence that you're quoting and
Speaker 3: pretend that that is an accurate reflection of what has
Speaker 3: been said by the person you are quoting. It's duplicitus.
Speaker 2: Look, public sentiment may very well be with Dutton, but
Speaker 2: many in the media are happy to accuse him of
Speaker 2: being heartless over the issue, showing once again how out
Speaker 2: of touch they are with public sentiment. Now. I have
Speaker 2: mostly tried to ignore the offensive bias of other media
Speaker 2: outlets and journalists on this program, and the ABC, as
Speaker 2: you know, is the worst offender when it comes to
Speaker 2: anti Israel bias. But on Friday Night, a journalist with
Speaker 2: a history of criticizing Israel, a journalist who even supported
Speaker 2: Antoinette Latouf, was awarded the top journalism for moral clarity
Speaker 2: on the Israel Hermas war. You recall when Israel was
Speaker 2: wrongly blamed from misfired rocket in Gaza. Not long after
Speaker 2: that attack, Hermas had claimed that Israel was responsible and
Speaker 2: had killed five hundred people. The lies spread around the world,
Speaker 2: but in the days that followed, major media outlets quickly
Speaker 2: corrected the record to say that actually it was a
Speaker 2: Palestinian Islamic jihad rocket that misfired and had hit the
Speaker 2: car park of the Al Ali Hospital. About fifty were
Speaker 2: estimated but not confirmed, to have been killed, not the
Speaker 2: five hundred claimed. Within minutes well, the ABC's John Lyons
Speaker 2: did not admit unequivocally that the earlier reports blaming Israel
Speaker 2: were wrong. Instead, he said it was in dispute this week.
Speaker 6: The blast at the Alali Hospital could prove to be
Speaker 6: a pivotal moment in the early stages of this war.
Speaker 6: Israel was blamed initially, but it has presented evidence suggesting
Speaker 6: it was in fact a misfired rocket shot by Palestinian militants,
Speaker 6: and the US has backed that version, as have a
Speaker 6: number of independent experts. But what do you make of
Speaker 6: this tragedy this week and the impact it's having on
Speaker 6: the broader conflict.
Speaker 7: I think there is serious doubt I'm in both sides
Speaker 7: are claiming the others did it. The Israelis have presented
Speaker 7: what looks on the face of it compelling evidence that
Speaker 7: it wasn't one of its rockets. I think in a way,
Speaker 7: until this an examination, we'll never know.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: In response to questions today, John Lyons claims he never
Speaker 2: reported or suggested that Israel had bonded to the hospital,
Speaker 2: and as for wanting an examination, as you heard there,
Speaker 2: he says he's covered fall Gaza was and has learned
Speaker 2: that often one only learns the definitive truth later when
Speaker 2: there's time for an investigation. Let's have a look at
Speaker 2: another incident. You recall that last month twelve Israeli Drew's
Speaker 2: children were tragically killed on a soccer field.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: It was widely reported that this was most likely a
Speaker 2: Hesbella rocket, but John Lyons was skeptical and said it
Speaker 2: might have even been Israel. He said he'd like to
Speaker 2: actually see the rocket that was fired and see the evidence,
Speaker 2: even though Israel had released that evidence. Have a look.
Speaker 1: Hezbela is denying it's them. Usually they claim rocket attacks
Speaker 1: into Israel or into this occupied part of the Golan Heights.
Speaker 1: They're insisting it's not them. It may be them, but
Speaker 1: it's still not confirmed. Some people on the ground are
Speaker 1: suggesting that it could have been an interceptor, an Israeli
Speaker 1: interceptor rocket that was trying to hit an incoming Hesbel rocket.
Speaker 1: On that particular day, Hesbela did claim responsibility for aut
Speaker 1: twelve strikes into Israel. It's very unusual, though, for Hezbollah
Speaker 1: to target this area, which is in the gol An Heights.
Speaker 1: It's mainly members of the Druze population, Arabic speakers, and
Speaker 1: it has not been a heavy target for Hezbola. But
Speaker 1: Israel is assuming it is. The United States and Israel
Speaker 1: are insisting it is, but there is some element of
Speaker 1: doubt over that at the moment. I'd like to actually
Speaker 1: see the rocket that was fired. The Israelis are saying
Speaker 1: it's an Iranian made Fullack number one rocket. I'd like
Speaker 1: to actually see the evidence.
Speaker 2: So John Lyons would like to see the evidence. He'd
Speaker 2: like to see the rocket well. In his defense today,
Speaker 2: Lyon said that many of the locals in the area
Speaker 2: claim that they thought it was possibly in Israeli anti
Speaker 2: missile gone wrong. And also in another instance, according to
Speaker 2: a report in the City Morning Herald, John Lyons has
Speaker 2: also sided with anti Israel activist Antoinette. Lyons reportedly spoke
Speaker 2: at a meeting of ABC journalists who were angry at
Speaker 2: how ABC management had treated the Tooth and Lions blamed
Speaker 2: Jewish lawyers for complaining about her. The Herald reports and
Speaker 2: I quote, when I read those WhatsApp messages for the
Speaker 2: first time ever and hopefully the last time ever, I
Speaker 2: felt embarrassed to work for the ABC. I was embarrassed
Speaker 2: that a group of one hundred and fifty six lawyers
Speaker 2: could laugh at how easy it was to manipulate the ABC.
Speaker 2: Lyons has even attracted criticism from other figures on the left,
Speaker 2: like The AG's former editor Michael Gwenda and Michael wrote
Speaker 2: an article about Lyons's criticism of what he calls the lobby,
Speaker 2: the so called Jewish lobby in twenty twenty one. And
Speaker 2: there's a history of hostility between Lions and Israel and
Speaker 2: Jewish groups here in Australia. But on Friday night, Lyons
Speaker 2: was awarded major journalism prizes, including the main one for
Speaker 2: Journalists of the Year, the Kennedy Awards. Judges claimed that
Speaker 2: his reporting showed moral clarity. They said, with both accuracy
Speaker 2: and moral clarity, the vastly experienced Middle East hand has
Speaker 2: framed this conflict in ways that will stand the test
Speaker 2: of time. It is journalism of the highest standard, moral clarity,
Speaker 2: journalism of the highest standard, or many of us would
Speaker 2: see his commentary as laden with anti Israel bias, far
Speaker 2: from the gold standard of journalism. The Kennedys are refusing
Speaker 2: to release the names of the judges. The Kennedy's general manager,
Speaker 2: Anna Magnus said, the Kennedy Foundation never reveal what judges
Speaker 2: judge what categories. We stand by the independence of our
Speaker 2: judging process. But in fact, in previous years the Kennedys
Speaker 2: have under different management, proudly published the names of their judges,
Speaker 2: like the Walkleys do. In response to my questions about
Speaker 2: his reporting, John Lyons told me today, I have many
Speaker 2: times attacked Hamas and others for their behavior. I have
Speaker 2: frequently said that what Hermas did on October seven was
Speaker 2: a war crime. I have frequently said that Harmas's firing
Speaker 2: of rockets from Gaza into civilian neighborhoods in Israel is
Speaker 2: a war crime. I have also noted that President Biden
Speaker 2: has said Israel's bombing of Gaza has been indiscriminate. You'd
Speaker 2: be aware that bombing civilians indiscriminately is a war crime.
Speaker 2: Now this all matters because if the media industry elite
Speaker 2: think that anti Israel reporting shows moral clarity, then this
Speaker 2: explains why so much of our media a hostile towards
Speaker 2: Jews and Israel. It explains why the ABC has comprehensively
Speaker 2: failed to cover the anti Semitism crisis gripping our country
Speaker 2: in any meaning way. It explains why the coverage in
Speaker 2: the media broadly speaking, regularly accuses Israel of wrongdoing, which
Speaker 2: in turn inflames tensions in our community. We do need
Speaker 2: more moral clarity in the media. Moral clarity is the
Speaker 2: ability to see that Israel was brutally attacked on October
Speaker 2: seven and has been trying to bring home its hostages
Speaker 2: ever since while destroying barbaric terrorists. Moral clarity is knowing
Speaker 2: that the world would end immediately if Hamas released the
Speaker 2: hostages and surrendered. And this weekend, once again the unfortunate
Speaker 2: news that Hamas, not Israel, has again rejected the latest
Speaker 2: ceasefire proposal. They hadn't even bothered to send a representative
Speaker 2: to discussions and Qatar over the weekend. We desperately need
Speaker 2: moral clarity when it comes to Israel's existential fight for survival.
Speaker 2: The Jewish home Land, but we're not going to get
Speaker 2: that from most media outlets, especially the ABC. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to come back to that topic a bit later
Speaker 2: in the show with Colin Rubinstein, but right now let's
Speaker 2: bring in tonight's panel. Joining me Sky News contributed Joe
Speaker 2: Hildebrand and Sky News host Steve Price. Welcome to you, boy,
Speaker 2: it's great to see you well. Once again, this issue
Speaker 2: of Palestinian visa's dominated question time today. This is becoming
Speaker 2: a recurring theme now and you can't help but think, Joe,
Speaker 2: that this is having some impact in the community. That's
Speaker 2: why Peter Dutton keeps bringing it up, keeps hounding the
Speaker 2: Albanezi government over this issue.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've always been very, very skeptical about Labour's strategy
Speaker 9: of just pile a whole bunch of crap on Dutton.
Speaker 9: Everyone hates him, he's you know, he's able to say
Speaker 9: his deviceive says, you know, he's angry and racist or
Speaker 9: whatever it may be. Not the alpctually calling racist, that's
Speaker 9: the teals. But this idea of sort of make it
Speaker 9: everything an anti Dutton sentiment instead of a pro Labor sentiment,
Speaker 9: I don't think works. I think just because all your
Speaker 9: friends don't like Peter Dutton doesn't mean that the average
Speaker 9: Australian doesn't like Peter Dutton. I like Peter Dutton, is
Speaker 9: a lovely man.
Speaker 2: You like everyone.
Speaker 9: I like everybody. But so it doesn't work. And again
Speaker 9: calling people, I mean, if we haven't learned from the
Speaker 9: Voice campaign that calling people who disagree with you racist
Speaker 9: just doesn't work. Apart from being probably wrong, in fact,
Speaker 9: it's incredibly stupid in terms of a political strategy. I mean,
Speaker 9: I just don't know. You just tear your hair out,
Speaker 9: And the thing is that when you do that, not
Speaker 9: only does it probably fail to stick on Peter Dutton
Speaker 9: in the eyes of the electric, but all those people
Speaker 9: who quietly agree with him and do have concerns. I'm
Speaker 9: not one of them. I think we should still take refugees.
Speaker 9: But all those people who understandably do say, well, these
Speaker 9: people could be a security, which maybe we should have
Speaker 9: a freeze. Suddenly the left, Zales, Steggle, the teals, whoever
Speaker 9: it may be, will call all those people racist too.
Speaker 9: Those people say, well Peter Dunn's racis then I must
Speaker 9: be racist. And whoever calls me a racist doesn't know Jack,
Speaker 9: because I know I'm not a racist, and that means
Speaker 9: that you must be wrong. Backfight on the Voice and
Speaker 9: will backfire on this. These people are fools if they
Speaker 9: do it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, I think you know that analogy with the
Speaker 2: Voice debate is quite fitting here.
Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, I just should point out
Speaker 5: to Joe that I don't like everybody, just so I
Speaker 5: know that will come as a great surprise to everybody. Look,
Speaker 5: I found it today quite ridiculous when Tony Burke stood
Speaker 5: up in Parliament and called Peter Dutton a sook. Now
Speaker 5: you can call Peter Dutton a lot of things. I
Speaker 5: don't know that the word sook would apply to Peter
Speaker 5: Dutton ever. I mean, he doesn't strike me as being
Speaker 5: a suck. In fact, he strikes me as being the
Speaker 5: sort of strong leader that the Liberal Party and the
Speaker 5: Coalition have been looking for for a very long time.
Speaker 5: And I think Shari and Joe probably you both agree
Speaker 5: that the public. If you polled the public today on
Speaker 5: a direct question of whether we should pause immigration from
Speaker 5: a war zone in Gaza, I'm not sure any of
Speaker 5: us would be surprised if there was a vast majority
Speaker 5: of people said yes. I mean, for a start, no,
Speaker 5: one's getting out of there. The place is locked up.
Speaker 5: You can't get out of the borders. But I think
Speaker 5: the thing that really resonated in the Coalition attack last
Speaker 5: week and again at the start of this week is
Speaker 5: that there are people being given in that part of
Speaker 5: Gaza tourist visas. I mean, what the hell do we
Speaker 5: think we're doing. They're not tourists. They're either refugees or
Speaker 5: victims of an ugly war. They're not tourists. And are
Speaker 5: they giving them tourist visas so that when they come
Speaker 5: here we can send them back again? And if that's
Speaker 5: the case, labors should be ashamed of themselves. What are
Speaker 5: they said in the back?
Speaker 2: The issue is the Prime Minister hasn't been upfront about
Speaker 2: all of this. He said initially this was only temporary,
Speaker 2: and then that was never the case because Tony Burt
Speaker 2: came out and said no government in its right mind
Speaker 2: would send people back to a war zone. And there
Speaker 2: have been serious security flaws that we've exposed on this
Speaker 2: program for more than six months now about the screening
Speaker 2: process that it is taking place in as little as
Speaker 2: one hour, that Hermas sympathizers have been let into the
Speaker 2: country on Australian visas at a time when we have
Speaker 2: an anti Semitism crisis in the country and we do
Speaker 2: not need more erosion of social cohesion, violence or lawlessness
Speaker 2: on our streets. Let's move on to Kevin Rudd, now,
Speaker 2: Australia's ambassador to the United States, has been accused of
Speaker 2: turning the Australian Embassy in Washington into a party house.
Speaker 2: This front page exclusive by Linda Somalis in The Sunday Telegraph,
Speaker 2: in voices released by DEFAT show that fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 2: was spent on a new barbecue. Joe, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you'd love to go to a party at Rud's place,
Speaker 2: but is and you probably have been before the message, Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly the lodge. Is this the best use though, of
Speaker 2: taxpayer funds?
Speaker 9: Firstly, it was Kiabilly house. I don't go to Canberra
Speaker 9: for anybody, even the PM. Now, look, I think the
Speaker 9: fact of the matter is that ambassadors entertain people. They
Speaker 9: are there to schmooze, they are there to network, they
Speaker 9: are there to build relationships. It's a cracker of a yarn,
Speaker 9: like it's a great yarn, and you know you'd put
Speaker 9: it all over the front page. You'd buy two front
Speaker 9: pages so you could put it on both of them.
Speaker 9: But you know they do have this thing. I think
Speaker 9: the barbecue from what I gather, and correct me if
Speaker 9: I'm wrong, but I think the barbecue is actually ordered
Speaker 9: by the previous ambassador, Arthur Synodinas, and maybe rog just
Speaker 9: took possession of it. The what I found most how amazing,
Speaker 9: was what I found most amazing was that my former
Speaker 9: colleague Norelda Jacobs was apparently paid twenty six thousand dollars
Speaker 9: to host a function at the ambassador's residence. And can
Speaker 9: I just say I'm free, I'm available if you want to.
Speaker 9: You know, I'll do it for half that I can MC,
Speaker 9: I can sing.
Speaker 2: Steve, Steve seriously, though you know that there have been
Speaker 2: this isn't the first story about the use of funds
Speaker 2: at functions and parties in Washington. What do you think
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 5: Well, there was a Pride event as well with some
Speaker 5: transvestites along that Kevin set up as well. Clearly they
Speaker 5: don't have Bunnings in Washington, otherwise you wouldn't be paying
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars for a barbecue. But unlike Joe, I've
Speaker 5: got a bit of history with Ambassador Rudd. Now I
Speaker 5: carry around with me in my little diary a letter
Speaker 5: to the editor that one k Rudd sent eighteen months
Speaker 5: ago after I wrote a column about him. I'll only
Speaker 5: read one line of it for you, and he says,
Speaker 5: this is Kevin Rudd. It's always a matter of personal
Speaker 5: and professional pride to be attacked by the greatest non
Speaker 5: entity in the history of Australian journalism, Steve Price. And
Speaker 5: that's the nice part of from Kevin.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. I think there's wouldn't be too
Speaker 2: many journalists, especially at our company, that Kevin Rudd hasn't
Speaker 2: complained about. While we're in the ABC BABYC is under
Speaker 2: fire for sending the Adelaide breakfast radio hosts to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: It's the sum is around or it's estimated that it'll
Speaker 2: come in at one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars. Joe.
Speaker 2: They didn't call any live sports, so there's criticism over,
Speaker 2: you know, the sight seeing that happened in Paris.
Speaker 9: Just I just do not understand any Can you imagine
Speaker 9: anyone like imagine our imagine No imagine if you said, hey, boss,
Speaker 9: could you send me over to Paris for the Olympics.
Speaker 9: I'm not going to call any sport, but I'd like
Speaker 9: to do a bit of sight. Say I've never seen
Speaker 9: the Eiffel Tower. It'll just cost one hundred and thirty
Speaker 9: five thousand dollars, let's call it, you know, one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty with change. What do you reckon?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: You would?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't?
Speaker 9: You would be I believe the word is defenestrated. You're
Speaker 9: just be thrown out the window. And yet someone at
Speaker 9: the Abay says, Oh, I am getting a good idea.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be a bit contrary here because for
Speaker 5: about five Olympic Games I sent throughout breakfast program to
Speaker 5: Olympic Games where they never called an event and they
Speaker 5: actually delivered a fantastic program. I also am a big contrary.
Speaker 5: Oh here's a fun fact for you. The two people
Speaker 5: who went from ABC Adelaide, Jules Schiller and I can't
Speaker 5: remember his colleague's name. They're the highest rating ABC Breakfast
Speaker 5: program in the country. They're the only ABC Breakfast program
Speaker 5: that rates in double figures, actually rate twelve percent. Everyone
Speaker 5: else in Sydney and Melbourne down around five.
Speaker 2: Can I say that says more about the quality of
Speaker 2: the ABC team around the country necessary rather than them.
Speaker 5: I think it says more about Adelaide than anything else.
Speaker 9: The fine city of the future.
Speaker 2: Now Larry Emda won the Gold Logi last night. Now,
Speaker 2: he made a joke during the week that if he won,
Speaker 2: he would have the initials of the people he was
Speaker 2: up against the other runners up tattoos on his bottom
Speaker 2: live on air. No one expected him to actually follow
Speaker 2: through with this, but here's what happened this morning on
Speaker 2: Channel seven.
Speaker 4: Basically it's a little line drawing of a LOGI holding
Speaker 4: the TV and within the TV the other the initials
Speaker 4: of the other wonderful nominees who are up for a
Speaker 4: Gold Logi.
Speaker 6: Last night, Yes right, can I just tell you one thing?
Speaker 6: Tell me that love Butte you can see that that's
Speaker 6: from Aunt Middleton.
Speaker 2: It's going to be Oh, he actually had the initials tattoo.
Speaker 2: I thought it would have been more painful to get
Speaker 2: a tattoo. I thought he would be screaming and wincing,
Speaker 2: and he just did it.
Speaker 9: Barry MdeR I think throughout his entire career has been
Speaker 9: the most underestimated personality in the Australian media.
Speaker 10: He bloke is.
Speaker 9: Incredibly smart, he's incredibly funny, as he does really quick
Speaker 9: on his feet, and he would have firstly he would
Speaker 9: have said that knowing that there would be votes in it,
Speaker 9: that people would vote for him just to see it
Speaker 9: get done. He was always going to do it. I
Speaker 9: think he was going to win anyway, because just people
Speaker 9: just love the guy. I love the guy. I've been
Speaker 9: out there with my ends everywhere I can go. He
Speaker 9: is just the He is just the best bloke is
Speaker 9: not honestly, TV we all know can be a bit
Speaker 9: of a vius and he's guine genuinely as I've got
Speaker 9: a terrible confession to make to you.
Speaker 2: To go for it, Steve.
Speaker 5: I was in a show called I'm a Celebrity Getting
Speaker 5: Me out of Here. I was at in jungle for
Speaker 5: forty three days and I had a bet with the
Speaker 5: AFL footballer Dane Swan who was also in there, that
Speaker 5: whoever got eliminated first had to get the other's initials
Speaker 5: tattooed on their bodies. Now, Dane swe owns a tattoo
Speaker 5: parlor and is covered in tattoos. I got thrown out
Speaker 5: before him and have his initials tattooed on the inside
Speaker 5: of my left bike.
Speaker 2: You didn't you Actually, I'm not going to take them up.
Speaker 5: I don't know that we can see it, but we'll
Speaker 5: try it. It's on this side, which tattoo?
Speaker 2: Which your tattoos? You actually?
Speaker 8: Wow, this is obviously a thing.
Speaker 9: I think the real story here is that Steve's been working.
Speaker 2: Out all right, And on that note, naked, I've got nothing,
Speaker 2: I've got no tattoos.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and get Sharry tattooed on your right.
Speaker 2: Butt cheek, all right, Steve Price, Joe Brand, good to see.
Speaker 2: All right. Let's return to today's polling results for the
Speaker 2: Albanezy government, and it was more polling pain with the
Speaker 2: latest Freshwater Strategy results showing that Labor is heading towards
Speaker 2: a minority government. The coalition is in front in the
Speaker 2: two party preferred result, while also beating Labor in key
Speaker 2: voter concerns like housing, tax, economic management, national security and
Speaker 2: cost of living. And let's bring in now someone who
Speaker 2: I'm sure doesn't have the tattoos of anyone's initials on
Speaker 2: his forearm or butt cheek, the director of Freshwater Strategy,
Speaker 2: Leo Shanahan.
Speaker 11: Well, how would you know, Shari? But yes, yeah, look,
Speaker 11: it is more polling painter as is said for at
Speaker 11: the Albanese Labor government. This is the second poll in
Speaker 11: a row. Now we do have the coalition behind in front,
Speaker 11: I should say on two pp. Now it is within
Speaker 11: that margin of error at fifty one forty nine, but
Speaker 11: it is a concern for the Alberanesi government. Obviously, of
Speaker 11: more concern is probably you, as you stated, those issues
Speaker 11: relating to cost of living, housing and accommodation, all those
Speaker 11: key issues. Now there's a couple in particular in regards
Speaker 11: to immigration and asylum and crime that are climbing in
Speaker 11: terms of importance for voters, and at the same time
Speaker 11: those issues are falling away in terms of people's view
Speaker 11: of the Labor government's ability to manage them. Now, the
Speaker 11: Labor government did paw back some points in terms of
Speaker 11: management on that key issue of cost and standard of living,
Speaker 11: but really it's a clear concern that with seventy six
Speaker 11: percent of people rating this issue as their number one
Speaker 11: concern and the Albanesi Labor government being minus seven points
Speaker 11: in their ability to manage it.
Speaker 2: So if these results were replicated at a federal election,
Speaker 2: I mean we're not expecting the federal election, despite what
Speaker 2: many journalists keep telling us, we're not expecting the federal
Speaker 2: election until early next year. But if it were replicated
Speaker 2: these results, what would that mean for labor retaining government.
Speaker 11: Well, look, they would definitely go into minority government status.
Speaker 11: They would more than likely be able to form a
Speaker 11: government ahead of the coalition, but we are now looking
Speaker 11: at definite minority status on these numbers. Now we should
Speaker 11: say that swings are really uniform. But if there was
Speaker 11: a uniform swing at a federal election based on these numbers,
Speaker 11: we would have the ALP dropping down to seventy one seats,
Speaker 11: the Greens at four, Independence at eight, and the Liberal
Speaker 11: National Coalition at sixty five. Now that's a gain of
Speaker 11: eight seats on the last elections. So obviously still a
Speaker 11: while from away, I should say, from claiming any kind
Speaker 11: of maturity government the coalition, but it would give Peter
Speaker 11: Dutton a great deal of heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his line is that he's got the momentum
Speaker 2: at the moment Leo. The analysis by Phil Courry in
Speaker 2: the Finn Review today is that the Gaza visa issue
Speaker 2: is you know that you're polling shows that it is
Speaker 2: shaping the way voters see the government's handling of the
Speaker 2: national security issue. You don't have to look at the
Speaker 2: specific results if you don't have them there in front
Speaker 2: of you, but just generally speaking, you know the government.
Speaker 2: Dutton must think that this issue is resonating with voters
Speaker 2: because this is the second parliamentary week in a row
Speaker 2: where he's hounding the Prime Minister over it. So how
Speaker 2: is this shaping the perception of the Albanezy government when
Speaker 2: it comes to security.
Speaker 11: Well, look, immigration and asylum are rising in terms of
Speaker 11: importance among voters, and as I said, that is also
Speaker 11: coinciding with a rise in the coalition's ability to manage
Speaker 11: this issue among voters. So obviously Peter Dutton feels that
Speaker 11: there's not a great deal. Well, he feels there is
Speaker 11: genuine risk here obviously, but from a political perspective, the
Speaker 11: risk is all on the Labor on the Labor government
Speaker 11: in terms of what that issue means for the electorate,
Speaker 11: especially in those key seats in Southwest Sydney that have
Speaker 11: large Muslim populations. There's very much a lot of pressure
Speaker 11: on senior ministers within the Labor government in those seats
Speaker 11: and it's not one seemingly that Peter Dutton is concerned
Speaker 11: about putting pressure on Prime Minister o An easier beout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Leah Shadahan, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time. Now after the break the promise Albin easy
Speaker 2: made to Muslim leaders before the election, plus should the
Speaker 2: ABC be awarded for its anti Israel bias? To discuss
Speaker 2: Colin Rubinstein will join me next. Welcome back. Well, we
Speaker 2: learned on the weekend that there was a Hermus plot
Speaker 2: to destroy the war graves of Australian soldiers and then
Speaker 2: hold them prisoner. This was detailed in a seven page
Speaker 2: document found in Gaza two years ago. It was uncovered
Speaker 2: in a plastic sleeve at a compound in cainn units
Speaker 2: linked to Hamas leaders. To discuss this and more, let's
Speaker 2: bring in now Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council Executive
Speaker 2: Director Colin Rubinstein. Colin, good to see you again. Look,
Speaker 2: this is a horrific plan. If this is true, if
Speaker 2: the documents were accurate, what was Hermas actually planning to do?
Speaker 12: Look, as you say, it's horrific. It's a very very
Speaker 12: problem manatiring and I think it's part of the bigger
Speaker 12: fabric that Hamas has as a game plan for all
Speaker 12: to see to destroy Israel one way or the other,
Speaker 12: demonizing it and de legitimizing it, and to kill the Jews.
Speaker 12: And the unfortunate reality is it's acted on that game plan.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at Colin, as I mentioned at the
Speaker 2: start of the program, tonight, ABC journalist John Lyons was
Speaker 2: awarded the Top Journalism Prize for Moral Clarity on the
Speaker 2: Israel Hamas War. This recognition comes despite Lions facing criticism
Speaker 2: for history of anti Israel bias. He rejects that, Colin,
Speaker 2: what do you make of John Lyons receiving this award?
Speaker 12: Well, I listened to your editor or early. You make
Speaker 12: a lot of very good points. Certainly you've given a
Speaker 12: number of examples on the other hospital, on a terrible
Speaker 12: hesbalar attack which took the life of twelve Israeli children
Speaker 12: playing soccer, and so on. Look, John has a long
Speaker 12: record in Middle East coverage, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 12: But I think the key to all of this is
Speaker 12: that he blames Israel for the lack of peace and
Speaker 12: the lack of a Palestinian state. Subsequently, the sixty seven
Speaker 12: war defensive war Israel Ford it took a tery Palestinian
Speaker 12: terratory he saw, and it's Israel's fault that there's not
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state because they won't relinquish it. The truth
Speaker 12: of the matter is it is reluctant to report or
Speaker 12: to ask about facts that don't perhaps fit that narrative
Speaker 12: roll making three major offers for a Palestinian state which
Speaker 12: they've unequivocally rejected, like the clear determination to pursue his
Speaker 12: strategy de legitimizus in Israel to try and destroy very clear,
Speaker 12: and the more extreme how much approach to actually go
Speaker 12: after the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews.
Speaker 12: So okay, So there is that element I think in
Speaker 12: John's reporting that of October seven war, you've given a
Speaker 12: number of examples and his reluctance to accept the Israel
Speaker 12: version of what happened. I wish you'd applied the same
Speaker 12: sort of scrutiny to come So is the problematic award
Speaker 12: somewhat questionable? As your editor points out the.
Speaker 2: Look two leaders of Australia's largest Muslim organization have told
Speaker 2: The City Morning Herald that Albanezi promised in a meeting
Speaker 2: before the twenty twenty two election that recognizing a Palestinian
Speaker 2: state would be a priority for his incoming labor government.
Speaker 2: The Australian National IMAMS Council Legal Advisor Billao Ralph said
Speaker 2: there was a general acceptance in the meat that this
Speaker 2: would be given priority in the first term. He says,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt many people will take this failure to
Speaker 2: recognize Palestine into account as one of the many considerations
Speaker 2: when they vote. Colin, do you think we should be
Speaker 2: hearing a response from the Prime Minister about this commitment
Speaker 2: if he made one, and perhaps you know, I suppose
Speaker 2: two state recognition or a Palestinian state recognition at this
Speaker 2: time would be problematic if HUMAS is still the governing
Speaker 2: body in Gaza.
Speaker 12: Look, I think the stories I read it doesn't even
Speaker 12: substantiate a claim. Certainly labor policy is a priority for
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state at a time of government's choosing. There's
Speaker 12: no indication it would be in the first term. And
Speaker 12: so I think you could criticize the Prime Minister for
Speaker 12: a lot of things on many shoes. I'm not sure
Speaker 12: this is one of them. But of course the foreigners
Speaker 12: that did suggest did imply that a recognizing a Palatinian
Speaker 12: state how will kick the process towards recognition. The truth
Speaker 12: of the matter is, I think the government even understands
Speaker 12: we had an unreconstructed Palestinian leadership at this stage. Recognizing
Speaker 12: a Palestinian state would be a reward of Hamas's tepism
Speaker 12: and the rejectionism that's continuing the Palestinian authority, and it
Speaker 12: would only lead to further conflict. They wouldn't kickstart a
Speaker 12: process towards a resolution, towards a two outcome, which of
Speaker 12: course Israel is offered on three serious occasions.
Speaker 2: All right, Colin Rubinstein, thank you very much, appreciate your
Speaker 2: time as always. Now let's quickly turn to some breaking
Speaker 2: news coming out of the UK, where an alleged horror
Speaker 2: stabbing spree in Manchester has seen a forty three year
Speaker 2: old woman killed and two others seriously injured. A twenty
Speaker 2: two year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder,
Speaker 2: while a seventeen year old girl and a sixty four
Speaker 2: year old man have been taken to hospital with life
Speaker 2: threatening injuries. That breaking news just coming through. Will bring
Speaker 2: you updates as they come. Now still to come on
Speaker 2: the show, Peter Darton threatens to take over the New
Speaker 2: South Wales Liberal Party as leaked messages lift the lid
Speaker 2: on the candidate fiasco, plus why Brittany Higgins won't be
Speaker 2: giving evidence in the Linda Reynolds defamation trial. Those details
Speaker 2: after this quick break will Leaked messages have lifted the
Speaker 2: lid on Liberal President Don Harwin's role in the failure
Speaker 2: to register one hundred and forty candidates for the local
Speaker 2: government elections. The Daily Telegraphs James Willis writes that several
Speaker 2: group WhatsApp messages of the Liberal Party State executive showed
Speaker 2: Don Harwin providing updates as the deadline for the New
Speaker 2: South Wales Electoral Commission approached. Let's bring in tonight's political
Speaker 2: insider panel, Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and Bill Shorten's former
Speaker 2: chief of staff Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both. Cameron.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit more about these leaked
Speaker 2: WhatsApp messages.
Speaker 1: Well, Sharie.
Speaker 13: Nominations are a fundamental birthright of political parties to do.
Speaker 13: I mean, it's something's essential, it's in our DNA to do.
Speaker 13: It's elections that we run for campaigns we won, and
Speaker 13: fundamental to that is getting nominations in to actually have
Speaker 13: candidates in the field. So it's not like it's something
Speaker 13: that happens once in a blue moon. It happens at
Speaker 13: every single election. So is gross incompetence, gross negligence that
Speaker 13: the New South Wales branch couldn't get not just one,
Speaker 13: but one hundred and forty nominations in to local government.
Speaker 13: Thank goodness it wasn't the stay election or the federal
Speaker 13: election they failed in because it would have really mattered then.
Speaker 5: But no, Look, anyone involved.
Speaker 13: In this should be gone and should never be seen
Speaker 13: again in the party administration. That Don Harwin he should
Speaker 13: go as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is extreme incompetence and now there's talk that
Speaker 2: some of the Liberal candidates who've missed out might commence
Speaker 2: legal action. Holly Hughes, obviously you're in the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: Do you think Don Harwin needs to go over this?
Speaker 14: I am absolutely appalled at what's occurred here. Cameron's right
Speaker 14: when he talks about this being a fundamental job of
Speaker 14: a political party and there needs to be a wholesale
Speaker 14: review into how this occurred. I feel absolutely that upset
Speaker 14: for the candidates who aren't able to contest. The current
Speaker 14: counselors and mayors who aren't able to recontest.
Speaker 8: It's just appalling for them.
Speaker 14: I'm very concerned for some of our federal candidates and
Speaker 14: members in New South Wales, some of them who are
Speaker 14: going into areas with significant seat redistributions and are going
Speaker 14: to have no Liberal representation on the local councils.
Speaker 8: And we know how important.
Speaker 14: It is with the brand, with the ID, with keeping
Speaker 14: up what local commitments are occurring.
Speaker 8: It's just critical that.
Speaker 14: All three levels of government have some communication with each
Speaker 14: other and are not going to have representation in many
Speaker 14: of these areas.
Speaker 8: So I do think there needs to be a wholesale review.
Speaker 14: It's there'll be a number of people.
Speaker 8: Look, Brian Lockmain is going to do a review.
Speaker 14: There's discussions around federal intervention, and if federal intervention occurs,
Speaker 14: it means the entire state executive goes and you know
Speaker 14: it's an unworkable size of twenty nine people. They were
Speaker 14: still doing endorsements, I understand up until the last possible minute,
Speaker 14: because candidates were being added from all sorts of places.
Speaker 8: The whole thing.
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm not involved in local government. I never
Speaker 14: have been. I've sat on the executive but from everything
Speaker 14: I've heard, which is generally what I've read in the press.
Speaker 8: It is an absolute shamuzzle.
Speaker 14: And yes, I think that there will need to be
Speaker 14: significant ramifications here.
Speaker 2: All Right, Brittany Higgins will not give evidence in the
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds defamation trial. The Nightly reporting that higgins medical
Speaker 2: state was one of the contributing factors to her decision
Speaker 2: not to fly back from France. Cameron, is this understandable that,
Speaker 2: given she is having difficulties she is suffering, that she
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to face another courtroom? What do you think?
Speaker 13: Well, I think the horrible situation is that everyone who's
Speaker 13: been touched by this case, including my very very dear
Speaker 13: friend Kimblely Kitchen who lost a life in the midst
Speaker 13: of this situation as well, and everyone who's been touched
Speaker 13: by the Higgins Reynolds saga, has an awful story to
Speaker 13: tell and this is no different. Brittany should have a
Speaker 13: day in court, but if she's not medically capable of
Speaker 13: doing that, we'll let the judge decide. Of the evidence
Speaker 13: that's been tended to date, and obviously there's been a
Speaker 13: lot of evidence tended to date. I think there's still
Speaker 13: questions to be asked. I think Pattie Gallagher's got questions
Speaker 13: to ask. I think Penny Wong has I think Mark
Speaker 13: Dreyfus for two million dollars settlement in twenty four hours.
Speaker 13: There's lots of questions for people who are still involved
Speaker 13: in this that need to be answered.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Hully, I actually want to ask you about the
Speaker 2: NDIS because shocking revelations in the Herald that the anddis
Speaker 2: has yet to introduce any protective measures for work who
Speaker 2: support known sexual predators and violent offenders on the system.
Speaker 2: This is despite the launch of a justice panel, so
Speaker 2: one needs to be done here.
Speaker 14: Look, it's absolutely disgraceful that this has been allowed to continue.
Speaker 14: There has been some changes made because we had an
Speaker 14: instance earlier in the year where a man that was
Speaker 14: released from prison who had sexual assaultant and I think
Speaker 14: from memory rape charges that he'd been found guilty of, convicted,
Speaker 14: serve time and left, was given an MDIs plan.
Speaker 8: He was self managing that plan and was advertising for
Speaker 8: young support workers to walk along the beach with him.
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm still not sure why he even had
Speaker 14: an MDIs plan, But there have made moves to ensure
Speaker 14: that people who have convictions particularly those of a sexual nature,
Speaker 14: are put on agency managed plans, so that means that
Speaker 14: they can't run their own sort of advertising for support workers,
Speaker 14: but there doesn't seem to be any protection. So agency
Speaker 14: plan managed means that they have to use registered providers,
Speaker 14: which tend to be the bigger organizations. But I'm not
Speaker 14: aware that those organizations need to be told that the
Speaker 14: participant has this in their background.
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, like so many.
Speaker 14: Things, we've gone too far when it comes to the
Speaker 14: human rights of one group over the human rights of
Speaker 14: another group. And you'll see the civil libertarians argue that
Speaker 14: people that you know, have been convicted of things serve
Speaker 14: their time, that they should be able to access their
Speaker 14: services with zero consideration of the rights and the protections
Speaker 14: of those and quite often women that are sent out
Speaker 14: as support workers. So there does need to be some
Speaker 14: modification here that you know, perhaps they're only allowed to
Speaker 14: use certain providers and those providers are fully briefed and aware,
Speaker 14: and they're not given people one at a time that
Speaker 14: there's not one on one support at any stage.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know how they're going to do it.
Speaker 14: Is putting the safety of particularly the young women that
Speaker 14: are quite often work in these allied health and support
Speaker 14: worker areas.
Speaker 2: It's not acceptable no, as you say, putting often female
Speaker 2: cares at risk. Now, I just want to end with
Speaker 2: getting both of your views on the row that's unfolding
Speaker 2: in Parliament in Question Time that Cameron Milner Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: is being accused of being racist and divisive for daring
Speaker 2: to propose about on arrivals from Gaza, even when we
Speaker 2: now know that security checks aren't being done properly to
Speaker 2: ensure that noahr Musk sympathizers are arriving in the country.
Speaker 13: What do you think, Well, Peter Dutton's not a racist.
Speaker 13: It's the easiest thing to say, and the primes should
Speaker 13: have stood up and said the same thing. Kelly Staggle
Speaker 13: overstepped the mark and grows slur on Peter Dutton and
Speaker 13: his character. Can I say, Shari that Labour's own figures
Speaker 13: show that seventy percent of these tourists have failed the
Speaker 13: security chests, the most basic security tests. Seventy percent the
Speaker 13: rready failed. When Peter Dunton let twelve thousand people from
Speaker 13: Syrian Iraq in there's a twelve month process and five
Speaker 13: hundred didn't.
Speaker 1: Pass the security test.
Speaker 13: So eleven and a half thousand people came in, but under
Speaker 13: our bows watch, seventy percent failed the most basic terrorist
Speaker 13: tach terrorist test. So look, I'm really worried about these
Speaker 13: gardens who come here, have come in without the tests,
Speaker 13: without security, and I think Peter Dutton is absolutely doing
Speaker 13: the right thing, not only is the Opposition leader, but
Speaker 13: for Australia to stand up for a national security on
Speaker 13: such a vital subject matter in terms of making sure
Speaker 13: that people who are har mass sympathizers or worse har
Speaker 13: mass terrorists don't slip into our community.
Speaker 1: Shari.
Speaker 2: We can't take that risk at the moment when there's
Speaker 2: already so much violence breaking out, when even labor politicians'
Speaker 2: officers have been targeted in appalling ways that could have
Speaker 2: easily put someone at serious risk. Holly, what do you think?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 14: Look, I mean I was here this morning and breakfast
Speaker 14: with Matt fist alway, and you know the rhetoric that's
Speaker 14: coming out of the ALP is around old Peter Dutton
Speaker 14: using divisive language. Yet not one ALP member has called
Speaker 14: out Zalie Stegel for her use of calling Peter Dutton
Speaker 14: a racist Cameron's right, he's not a racist. When he
Speaker 14: has been in roles around immigration, he has ensured that
Speaker 14: there have been due processes put in.
Speaker 8: Place when it comes to security checks.
Speaker 14: But we've also got to remember this is a government
Speaker 14: who has increased its funding to UNRA.
Speaker 8: Now we know UNRA have.
Speaker 14: People on the ground during the October seventh attacks. We
Speaker 14: know UNRA has an education program which is deeply rooted
Speaker 14: in teaching anti Semitism to young children. Even if these
Speaker 14: people that are coming through aren't Hamas, you know signed
Speaker 14: and sealed up to Hamas, they rightly have had their
Speaker 14: entire life home filled with anti Semitic tropes being pushed
Speaker 14: at them.
Speaker 8: So you know, I think he's spot.
Speaker 2: On completely right. All Right, Holly Hughes, Cameron Mill thank
Speaker 2: you both very much. Now after the break, all eyes
Speaker 2: on the US as Democrats prepare for their national convention.
Speaker 2: But could protesters derail the event? Plus, if the polls
Speaker 2: are right, are we really looking at a Kamala Harris presidency, Well,
Speaker 2: Kosher Garda would join me next. Well, let's turn now
Speaker 2: to the United States, where Kamala Harris is leading Donald
Speaker 2: Trump nationally in the latest ABC poll. The former president
Speaker 2: is still performing better in key election issues, the economy, inflation,
Speaker 2: and immigration. Well, let's bring in now Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Kosher Gada. Great to see you, Kosher. Look, this immigration
Speaker 2: poll has got to hurt Harris because she was in
Speaker 2: charge of border security. She was once tapped to be
Speaker 2: the bordersar. Now this is clearly her area of weakness.
Speaker 2: She is on top. Though. Do you think it is
Speaker 2: looking like we could say a Kamala Harris presidency.
Speaker 10: It is very possible we're going to be in a
Speaker 10: knife fight for the remaining seventy five eighty days that
Speaker 10: we have to go. This is extremely razor thin, as
Speaker 10: have been the last two elections. You know this further
Speaker 10: is in that regard. But I think what you're putting
Speaker 10: your finger on there, Shari is key, which is this
Speaker 10: is about issues all day and all night long. It's
Speaker 10: about the issues. Immigration is a top two issue in
Speaker 10: the country for good reason when you look at just
Speaker 10: the quantum and what's been going on both illegally and legally.
Speaker 10: Trump has historically always been very very strong of that issue.
Speaker 10: It was his signature issue that led him to victory
Speaker 10: in twenty sixteen, and a very close call in twenty twenty,
Speaker 10: So that is a winning issue for him. But the
Speaker 10: question is is he going to be able to get
Speaker 10: cut through on that and is she is Harris going
Speaker 10: to be able to distance herself from that track record
Speaker 10: under Biden? So far, with avoiding the press and taking
Speaker 10: the approach that she's taken, it seems to be working.
Speaker 10: And that's kind of her strategy. Can she run out
Speaker 10: the clock and sort of wash her hands of the
Speaker 10: immigration issue or will Trump be able to pin it
Speaker 10: on her?
Speaker 2: Look where the Democratic National Convention is about to get
Speaker 2: under way, how do you think we're going to say
Speaker 2: the party pitch Kamala Harris to voters if she can't
Speaker 2: draw on much of her own experience.
Speaker 10: You know, I think it'll be more of that sort
Speaker 10: of trying to present her as a clean slate and
Speaker 10: somebody will do all these great things on day one,
Speaker 10: which we've seen signals of that already. It's a bit
Speaker 10: interesting because usually vps ride the coattails of popular presidents
Speaker 10: and this is a very unusual situation that you know
Speaker 10: that she's found herself in and the reason that she's
Speaker 10: received this nomination. There's going to be other things like
Speaker 10: the protests that are due to be happening or happening
Speaker 10: as we speak in Chicago. That kind of shows that
Speaker 10: fracturing in the party and other things like that. But
Speaker 10: I think the conventions, you know, I would expect to
Speaker 10: see a little bit of a bump in the polls
Speaker 10: for her, and they're going to bring out the stops,
Speaker 10: former presidents, sitting president, Hollywood celebrities, you know, the works,
Speaker 10: and people tend to leave these things with a little
Speaker 10: bit of feel good attitude for the candidate.
Speaker 2: And then of course there's going to be the question
Speaker 2: of her debate with Donald Trump. You know, is he
Speaker 2: going to be able to put her under pressure without
Speaker 2: attacking her personally, because it seems to be that voters
Speaker 2: don't like that, and I've heard a lot of commentators
Speaker 2: saying it does seem to be true that in many
Speaker 2: ways she brings out the worst instincts in him, because
Speaker 2: the attacks do become quite personal and potentially sexist as well.
Speaker 2: So we've got all of that to look forward to.
Speaker 2: A tough interview would be good as well. Kosha Gada,
Speaker 2: great to see you as always, and that's it from me.
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching. I'll see you tomorrow night. At eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: And up now in the man cave is Paul Murray.