1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche production. 2 00:00:17,561 --> 00:00:19,401 Speaker 2: And then I was doing these things on field and 3 00:00:20,281 --> 00:00:22,041 Speaker 2: you know I ran into trouble a little bit later. 4 00:00:22,801 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: The reason I actually left Saint Kilda was because I 5 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:27,761 Speaker 2: just had too much baggage there. They the offered me 6 00:00:27,801 --> 00:00:30,641 Speaker 2: a contract to stay. I started to play some really 7 00:00:30,681 --> 00:00:32,681 Speaker 2: good footing, started to get a bit of a handle 8 00:00:32,721 --> 00:00:35,881 Speaker 2: on my on field. Mylefield was still shitouse. I still 9 00:00:35,881 --> 00:00:38,681 Speaker 2: being a bullfed going to a pub drinking and fucking 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,361 Speaker 2: belt and blow. 11 00:00:39,601 --> 00:00:40,401 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. 12 00:00:40,281 --> 00:00:42,881 Speaker 3: Too and obviously ended up with an assault charge somewhere 13 00:00:42,881 --> 00:00:43,441 Speaker 3: along the way. 14 00:00:43,561 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Sure with that sort of fucking way. 15 00:00:45,081 --> 00:00:47,441 Speaker 3: Of life and made there's only one direction that that's 16 00:00:47,441 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: going to end up, and that's. 17 00:00:48,321 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: You locked up in jail, no career. Exactly Why didn't 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:52,561 Speaker 1: that happen? 19 00:00:53,241 --> 00:00:56,441 Speaker 2: Well, I think timing, So back then you could be 20 00:00:56,521 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: locked up and you know, there wouldn't be cameras out 21 00:00:59,361 --> 00:01:01,161 Speaker 2: the front of the clink. It was. 22 00:01:01,561 --> 00:01:03,201 Speaker 1: It was a bit different. It was a bit different 23 00:01:03,961 --> 00:01:05,001 Speaker 1: the hold back for the police. 24 00:01:05,601 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember once I got locked up and one 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: of the footy club managers come to to pick me up, 26 00:01:12,241 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: and that was like fuck, yeah, this is not good. 27 00:01:15,121 --> 00:01:18,201 Speaker 2: So and I was purely sticking up for a mate. 28 00:01:18,601 --> 00:01:22,121 Speaker 2: But my mate was a troublemaker and kept putting me 29 00:01:22,121 --> 00:01:25,041 Speaker 2: in situations I shouldn't have been in. So he there 30 00:01:25,081 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: was a drink dispute, he got slapped over the top, 31 00:01:30,761 --> 00:01:33,961 Speaker 2: security kicked him out. Okay, went out in the lame 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: way in there laying the boots. But go back to 33 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: the point. He fucking started it. So did you finish it? Yes, 34 00:01:44,081 --> 00:01:49,321 Speaker 2: So I start. There's there's like and you know, all 35 00:01:49,361 --> 00:01:52,681 Speaker 2: these fascical stories about you know, egned out, fucking eight blokes, 36 00:01:52,721 --> 00:01:54,761 Speaker 2: all this sort of ship. There was security jumping on him, 37 00:01:54,921 --> 00:01:56,201 Speaker 2: kicking him on the ground. So I had to start 38 00:01:56,241 --> 00:02:00,361 Speaker 2: pegging blokes, and you know, I got a couple of them. Anyway, 39 00:02:00,881 --> 00:02:05,361 Speaker 2: I got pinned down the bouncers. Actually one of them 40 00:02:05,401 --> 00:02:07,281 Speaker 2: grabbed my leg. The other one was jumping on my knee, 41 00:02:07,521 --> 00:02:10,441 Speaker 2: so I knew who I was at this time career. 42 00:02:10,481 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Basically I had an eyebrow ring and ear ring and 43 00:02:13,641 --> 00:02:18,441 Speaker 2: they ripped them out. So anyway, cops come because there 44 00:02:18,481 --> 00:02:20,281 Speaker 2: was too many of them. As I said, I pegged 45 00:02:20,361 --> 00:02:23,761 Speaker 2: pegged a couple of them. But yeah, and we did 46 00:02:23,761 --> 00:02:26,201 Speaker 2: it right in the end, but you know, cops come, 47 00:02:26,561 --> 00:02:28,201 Speaker 2: let me up and they helped me out in front 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,681 Speaker 2: of the cops guard I'll make you all right. As 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,321 Speaker 2: soon as they left, go I just like the blade 50 00:02:32,361 --> 00:02:35,481 Speaker 2: was trying by on my leg. I bapped him and 51 00:02:36,041 --> 00:02:38,721 Speaker 2: then cops pimed me to the ground in the divvye 52 00:02:39,001 --> 00:02:42,001 Speaker 2: and it was it was probably the most interesting time 53 00:02:42,481 --> 00:02:44,601 Speaker 2: going in the back of the divvy was there was 54 00:02:44,641 --> 00:02:47,361 Speaker 2: a guy in there who was I'm not sure what 55 00:02:47,401 --> 00:02:49,961 Speaker 2: he was locked up for, but he's been arrested. And 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,721 Speaker 2: then and then I said to the cop and they 57 00:02:52,201 --> 00:02:54,641 Speaker 2: picked me up, talking to the bounces, Okay, we're going 58 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,601 Speaker 2: to take care all right, he goes. Mate. He gave 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,921 Speaker 2: an interesting time in the in the back of the divvy, 60 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,921 Speaker 2: so now fuck whatever. Anyway, as soon as I got 61 00:03:01,921 --> 00:03:03,001 Speaker 2: in there, this bloke attacks me. 62 00:03:03,641 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: That's it. So he had a fucking crack. Yeah, it 63 00:03:05,921 --> 00:03:08,601 Speaker 1: tacks me. So literally, you've just come out of one brawl. 64 00:03:08,601 --> 00:03:10,161 Speaker 3: You're getting locked down, thrown in the back of the 65 00:03:10,161 --> 00:03:12,041 Speaker 3: bum wagon and fucking it's on again. 66 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:14,401 Speaker 2: He taxed me, and I'm like, what the fuck? So 67 00:03:14,401 --> 00:03:15,881 Speaker 2: I just got him in head and just give him 68 00:03:15,921 --> 00:03:18,201 Speaker 2: a little bit of a working and I just laid 69 00:03:18,201 --> 00:03:19,881 Speaker 2: on him until we got to the cop shop. Anyway, 70 00:03:19,881 --> 00:03:23,361 Speaker 2: the cops opened the door laughing, pissed himself laughing. So 71 00:03:23,361 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 2: that was an interesting ride. But you know the aftermath 72 00:03:26,001 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: of that is they ran the footay club and they 73 00:03:29,441 --> 00:03:31,961 Speaker 2: got their general manager to come pick me up. And 74 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,801 Speaker 2: that was the turning point of Okay, you need to 75 00:03:34,801 --> 00:03:37,121 Speaker 2: sort your shit out or you know, we can't keep 76 00:03:37,161 --> 00:03:39,121 Speaker 2: doing this food. He was starting to become more and 77 00:03:39,121 --> 00:03:43,281 Speaker 2: more popular. Murdier were starting to get onto things, especially 78 00:03:43,281 --> 00:03:43,721 Speaker 2: if you're a. 79 00:03:43,681 --> 00:03:45,961 Speaker 3: Red light and everybody knew you were a story something 80 00:03:45,961 --> 00:03:48,401 Speaker 3: for them to write, right you off, right the club off. 81 00:03:49,281 --> 00:03:51,921 Speaker 1: But yet on the field you're the key Barry kick 82 00:03:51,921 --> 00:03:56,361 Speaker 1: you seven in two minutes. Well it looks cool. It's 83 00:03:56,441 --> 00:04:01,641 Speaker 1: up for you too. That's the way better kept that 84 00:04:01,761 --> 00:04:05,241 Speaker 1: buddy that would go by Barry Hall. He liked look 85 00:04:05,441 --> 00:04:06,881 Speaker 1: like points. 86 00:04:07,761 --> 00:04:09,641 Speaker 2: So one thing we sought out to do was, Okay, 87 00:04:09,721 --> 00:04:12,361 Speaker 2: make a decision of do we stay in Melbourne. Melbourn's 88 00:04:12,361 --> 00:04:15,801 Speaker 2: a footy town. You know. I was probably immature with 89 00:04:15,961 --> 00:04:19,761 Speaker 2: handling situations off field, and I just had so much 90 00:04:19,761 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: baggage just and killed us. So my management sourced out 91 00:04:23,761 --> 00:04:28,881 Speaker 2: most clubs, particularly into state clubs. Yes, and Sydney. We're interested. 92 00:04:29,281 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: Sydney is a perfect place to play AFL For someone 93 00:04:31,561 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: in my situation at Tony Lockert who doesn't like footy 94 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:36,281 Speaker 2: that much. He could walk down the street, no one 95 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,161 Speaker 2: knows you. You can do your thing. Not that I 96 00:04:39,241 --> 00:04:41,001 Speaker 2: was going to go up there and I can drink 97 00:04:41,041 --> 00:04:43,921 Speaker 2: and belt blokes off field, but you could do your thing. 98 00:04:44,281 --> 00:04:46,681 Speaker 2: So Sydney sort of threw me a lifeline a little bit. 99 00:04:47,401 --> 00:04:49,481 Speaker 2: I did have a contract offered at Saint Kilda, but 100 00:04:49,921 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: we said we just need to get out of Melbourne. 101 00:04:53,641 --> 00:04:56,001 Speaker 2: Just not mature enough to handle it this stage. Best 102 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:57,801 Speaker 2: career move over made, to be honest. 103 00:04:58,001 --> 00:05:00,161 Speaker 1: Did they give you a mentor when you got to Sydney. 104 00:05:00,201 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: Was there somebody there that they said, writer, Barry Hall, 105 00:05:03,721 --> 00:05:06,081 Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen. You're here with us now, 106 00:05:06,161 --> 00:05:09,121 Speaker 3: we'll support you, will make you a great player. 107 00:05:11,121 --> 00:05:13,841 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a guy Stuey Maxfield who when I 108 00:05:14,041 --> 00:05:16,801 Speaker 2: landed up there, I'd never been to Sydney except to play. 109 00:05:16,841 --> 00:05:18,961 Speaker 2: I'd fly in there, play and fly home. I'd never 110 00:05:19,001 --> 00:05:20,921 Speaker 2: really seen it. It was just a gut feeling thing 111 00:05:20,961 --> 00:05:23,641 Speaker 2: that this is the right thing to do, and they 112 00:05:23,801 --> 00:05:25,721 Speaker 2: back their football club to be able to rain someone 113 00:05:25,761 --> 00:05:28,161 Speaker 2: in like me with their culture, which is which is great, 114 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:31,921 Speaker 2: which is absolutely what happened. So Stuey Maxfield, who was 115 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,841 Speaker 2: a captain, pulled me in and said, mate, a good 116 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,961 Speaker 2: deep voice. You're a big guy, you're imposing, people will 117 00:05:37,961 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: listen to you, and you're not an idiot. You know 118 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,721 Speaker 2: what's going on with the game, you know what's going 119 00:05:42,761 --> 00:05:46,001 Speaker 2: on with off field. We need you to control yourself 120 00:05:46,041 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: over here on off field, but game day I need 121 00:05:49,001 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: to hear. I think you can be a great leader 122 00:05:50,801 --> 00:05:53,321 Speaker 2: for this football club. Was almost even shy at that stage. 123 00:05:53,401 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say too much or just do my shit, 124 00:05:55,641 --> 00:05:57,681 Speaker 2: train hard and go home, or wouldn't. 125 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,481 Speaker 1: So this is a conversation that you've had coming to 126 00:05:59,521 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: the Swans. Yeah, so you're a great leader. You've got 127 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: a voice. 128 00:06:03,081 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: You don't know. 129 00:06:03,561 --> 00:06:04,241 Speaker 1: We'll listen to you. 130 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,601 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know we'll go forward in shortly. But 131 00:06:08,161 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: what a fucking great line to follow to who you 132 00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:13,921 Speaker 3: are today. I mean, yeah, well. 133 00:06:13,841 --> 00:06:16,161 Speaker 2: I used to go to train and not say a word, 134 00:06:16,241 --> 00:06:19,481 Speaker 2: just do my thing and go home. But he's seen 135 00:06:19,521 --> 00:06:21,681 Speaker 2: in me that I had leadership qualities and said, mate, 136 00:06:21,681 --> 00:06:22,841 Speaker 2: I think you can be a great leader for this 137 00:06:22,841 --> 00:06:26,761 Speaker 2: football club. Young blakes look up to you. We need 138 00:06:26,801 --> 00:06:29,121 Speaker 2: to tap into this. So he sort of almost mentored 139 00:06:29,121 --> 00:06:31,641 Speaker 2: me into becoming a leader. I never seen myself as 140 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:34,601 Speaker 2: a leader never ever, did you know. So belief and 141 00:06:35,841 --> 00:06:38,001 Speaker 2: hugging a bloke and telling them that they if I 142 00:06:38,041 --> 00:06:40,721 Speaker 2: can worse something and their powerful, they mean a lot 143 00:06:40,761 --> 00:06:43,761 Speaker 2: to this organization or as a mate or whatever it 144 00:06:43,841 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: may be. It's powerful. You feel you feel good about it. 145 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,321 Speaker 1: I like to be told now and again well done. 146 00:06:50,001 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: So I like to know that I've given one hundred 147 00:06:51,841 --> 00:06:53,321 Speaker 3: percent somebody has acknowledged it. 148 00:06:53,361 --> 00:06:55,121 Speaker 1: And I mean there's people out there. Go listen. 149 00:06:55,161 --> 00:06:56,801 Speaker 3: You don't do things for this and you don't think 150 00:06:56,801 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: that I agree, But having that someone pat you on 151 00:06:59,801 --> 00:07:01,681 Speaker 3: the back, or someone come up and say great goal, 152 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: good talk, good tackle, well ran, good training, You're instantly 153 00:07:06,481 --> 00:07:10,041 Speaker 3: feeling uplifted as a human, as an athlete, as a 154 00:07:10,081 --> 00:07:13,881 Speaker 3: fucking parent, as just Joe citizen that's walking down the 155 00:07:13,921 --> 00:07:14,441 Speaker 3: road mate. 156 00:07:14,441 --> 00:07:16,801 Speaker 1: You know, a nice, nice pair of shoes, spaite, whatever 157 00:07:16,841 --> 00:07:17,241 Speaker 1: it might be. 158 00:07:18,321 --> 00:07:21,201 Speaker 3: It's a very very powerful thing to know that somebody's 159 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:24,281 Speaker 3: actually taken a moment to just observe. 160 00:07:23,961 --> 00:07:27,081 Speaker 2: And acknowledge absolutely as a person. Yeah, so Sue mactual 161 00:07:27,161 --> 00:07:30,281 Speaker 2: did do that and from that point too. Years later 162 00:07:30,321 --> 00:07:32,201 Speaker 2: I was captain of the Footag club. A pretty quick 163 00:07:32,201 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: turnaround been coming from Saint Kilda, not talking and training 164 00:07:36,361 --> 00:07:39,361 Speaker 2: or give it advice or helping anyone to becoming a 165 00:07:39,441 --> 00:07:42,801 Speaker 2: captain and it was it was all about taking ownership 166 00:07:42,801 --> 00:07:45,081 Speaker 2: and actually wanting to do it. I wanted to be 167 00:07:45,081 --> 00:07:47,041 Speaker 2: a leader, you know, and forever indebted to the Sydney 168 00:07:47,041 --> 00:07:49,561 Speaker 2: Spines for giving me that opportunity. Firstly with a guy 169 00:07:49,561 --> 00:07:51,961 Speaker 2: with a checker pass, but they backed their culture, they 170 00:07:52,041 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: backed their people in their organization to be able to 171 00:07:55,881 --> 00:07:58,241 Speaker 2: turn me around. And it did really quickly, probably quicker 172 00:07:58,241 --> 00:07:58,921 Speaker 2: than what they thought. 173 00:08:00,121 --> 00:08:03,041 Speaker 3: So that's the way that they've molded though their club 174 00:08:03,041 --> 00:08:06,481 Speaker 3: and brought who they believe would be assets to the 175 00:08:06,521 --> 00:08:08,201 Speaker 3: players in the environment. 176 00:08:08,241 --> 00:08:12,201 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they were pretty renowned for doing that. Players 177 00:08:12,201 --> 00:08:15,481 Speaker 2: at other clubs that are struggling got ability, but they're 178 00:08:15,521 --> 00:08:17,241 Speaker 2: just gone a bit flat during a bit of a run. 179 00:08:17,561 --> 00:08:19,561 Speaker 2: Sydneys wants to go get them and turn them around, 180 00:08:19,841 --> 00:08:22,721 Speaker 2: you know, rejuvenate their careers. And they had a bit 181 00:08:22,761 --> 00:08:25,041 Speaker 2: of a reputation at that stage of doing that so 182 00:08:26,561 --> 00:08:29,441 Speaker 2: and I become one of those guys who helped build 183 00:08:29,441 --> 00:08:32,081 Speaker 2: that system. So it's uh, you know, it's pretty proud, 184 00:08:32,121 --> 00:08:37,121 Speaker 2: but sort of going forward also a guy who's a 185 00:08:37,201 --> 00:08:40,361 Speaker 2: victim of the system. I built the system, but with 186 00:08:40,681 --> 00:08:44,161 Speaker 2: my past issues, you know, it ousted me. 187 00:08:44,281 --> 00:08:46,561 Speaker 3: How was it then when you receive one of the 188 00:08:46,601 --> 00:08:48,961 Speaker 3: biggest suspensions, there's nothing to kick you at the moment, 189 00:08:49,001 --> 00:08:50,881 Speaker 3: as all off the balls. 190 00:08:52,361 --> 00:08:59,201 Speaker 1: Right behind players ridiculous? Berry Hall stated in their well 191 00:09:01,921 --> 00:09:06,121 Speaker 1: went into the West Coast. It was a well, he's 192 00:09:06,201 --> 00:09:08,641 Speaker 1: letting himself down, completely down, Barry Hall. 193 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:11,321 Speaker 2: That is the sort of thing that we thought was out. 194 00:09:11,201 --> 00:09:11,721 Speaker 1: Of this game. 195 00:09:12,441 --> 00:09:14,081 Speaker 2: I think we fought that was out of the game, 196 00:09:14,241 --> 00:09:15,921 Speaker 2: full stop, right absolutely. 197 00:09:16,241 --> 00:09:18,761 Speaker 1: That is just so disappointing. 198 00:09:19,441 --> 00:09:21,801 Speaker 2: It was quite tough because you know, you need to 199 00:09:21,801 --> 00:09:25,201 Speaker 2: be accountable to your teammates, and I had to front them. 200 00:09:25,601 --> 00:09:27,161 Speaker 2: I got a bit of carma that day too, So 201 00:09:27,441 --> 00:09:30,121 Speaker 2: I obviously whacked the bloke and got some weeks for it. 202 00:09:30,161 --> 00:09:31,881 Speaker 1: But how many weeks did you get? 203 00:09:32,441 --> 00:09:32,721 Speaker 2: Seven? 204 00:09:32,721 --> 00:09:34,561 Speaker 1: I think it was still today the longest one. 205 00:09:35,681 --> 00:09:40,481 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so the next quarter, wow, I was 206 00:09:40,521 --> 00:09:43,601 Speaker 2: actually playing okay footy. And the next quarter I ran 207 00:09:43,641 --> 00:09:45,601 Speaker 2: I got pushed in the back near the boundary line 208 00:09:46,001 --> 00:09:49,321 Speaker 2: and running the fence and compound fraction of my wrist. 209 00:09:49,561 --> 00:09:50,801 Speaker 1: This is the scar we're looking. 210 00:09:52,681 --> 00:09:54,361 Speaker 2: Broke my wrist, So I was I was out for 211 00:09:54,401 --> 00:09:57,761 Speaker 2: seven weeks anyway, but I put that down to karma. 212 00:09:57,881 --> 00:10:04,681 Speaker 2: So the karma train fucking ran me over. So I 213 00:10:04,921 --> 00:10:08,321 Speaker 2: was out of the club and I just needed to 214 00:10:08,321 --> 00:10:10,601 Speaker 2: try and get away and work out why I was 215 00:10:10,601 --> 00:10:12,441 Speaker 2: doing Thishe because I couldn't explain while I was doing it, 216 00:10:12,961 --> 00:10:14,881 Speaker 2: because I was doing canceling and all those sorts of 217 00:10:14,921 --> 00:10:19,041 Speaker 2: things and trying to fix my issues which run pretty deep. 218 00:10:19,761 --> 00:10:22,201 Speaker 2: And I was trying to do these sorts of things. 219 00:10:22,881 --> 00:10:25,161 Speaker 1: Meanwhile being the bright line of the club from a meeting. 220 00:10:25,281 --> 00:10:28,001 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was still captain of the footy club. So 221 00:10:28,321 --> 00:10:30,881 Speaker 2: it was you know, I certainly wasn't a victim, but 222 00:10:31,921 --> 00:10:34,321 Speaker 2: you know, I thought those things were happening as well, 223 00:10:34,401 --> 00:10:36,641 Speaker 2: but which was also winding me up a little bit.