1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Sean Aylmer: This is the weekend edition of Fear and Greed business 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Sean Aylmer: news you can use. I'm Sean Almer and good morning 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Sean Aylmer: Adam Lang. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,240 Adam Lang: Good morning Sean. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,319 Sean Aylmer: Our weekend show is all about the two of us. Well, 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,520 Sean Aylmer: normally it's Michael and I, but this week it's you 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,920 Sean Aylmer: and I because Michael's on holidays. But we nominate what 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Sean Aylmer: we think is the biggest story of the week, the 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Sean Aylmer: most remarkable story of mystery category, and our favorite Story 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,200 Sean Aylmer: competition of course, so every week we are joined by 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,320 Sean Aylmer: a judge to pick the winner. I am placed to 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Sean Aylmer: say we have a returning judge, in fact, a returning 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,239 Sean Aylmer: Fear and Greeder let's be honest, Natalie MacDonald is back. Not 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Sean Aylmer: only has she done the show, but her day job 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,160 Sean Aylmer: is founder of Working @ It. Hello, Nat. 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,880 Natalie MacDonald: Hi, Sean, Hi, Adam, it's so fun to be back. 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,240 Natalie MacDonald: And on the judging side. 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Sean Aylmer: We laugh nervously. It's funny, Nat, you and I have 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,160 Sean Aylmer: not worked together because of course you filled in when 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,280 Sean Aylmer: I was away for four weeks. So this is a 21 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,319 Sean Aylmer: new experience for me. So not that I'm going for 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,319 Sean Aylmer: the sympathy vote, but just keep in mind now we're friends, 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,920 Sean Aylmer: and I think first time working together, just a little sympathy. 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,040 Natalie MacDonald: Just go easy. Well I do, I do have my own 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Natalie MacDonald: guiding criteria. I haven't gone as I haven't gone as 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Natalie MacDonald: far as as Adam does. I do not have it printed out, 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,040 Natalie MacDonald: but I do. I do have my neme. So I'm looking 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Natalie MacDonald: I'm looking at I know I'm looking at size and 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Natalie MacDonald: gravitas of news. I'm also I'm also leaning into, you know, 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,360 Natalie MacDonald: fear and greed. We look at business news you can use so 31 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Natalie MacDonald: context and the flow through impact to Australians and small business. 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Natalie MacDonald: And then a bit of storytelling. We know I'm a 33 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,200 Natalie MacDonald: big fan of my puns. I'm a big fan of 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Natalie MacDonald: my puns, my critique, the little jabs where I can 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,200 Natalie MacDonald: get them, and so so bonus points for anything when 36 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,080 Natalie MacDonald: we've got some storytelling flare in there as well. 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Sean Aylmer: Fantastic. I really wish i'd known that before. For today anyway, 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Sean Aylmer: let's just ignore that Adam, bigbest story of the week 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:06,600 Sean Aylmer: for you? 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,239 Adam Lang: You, Okay. So here we are going for size and gravitas, sme, 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Adam Lang: impacts and puns. I'll just try and rewrite my story 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,960 Adam Lang: as I go. Parliament is back, Natalie, and we know 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Adam Lang: that parliament and governments help set the rules for business, 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Adam Lang: so this is pretty vital. Our Prime Minister is back 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,520 Adam Lang: in the country after a marathon international trip, and Parliament 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Adam Lang: returned this week, whereas about as much about topical politics 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,480 Adam Lang: as it was about proof of leadership. The Albanese government 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,799 Adam Lang: commands a strong majority in the House of Representatives, as 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,359 Adam Lang: we know it means it governse securely but not without scrutiny. 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Adam Lang: In the Senate, Labour still relies on cross bench votes 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Adam Lang: to make legislative progress and in so many ways our 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,080 Adam Lang: economic settings need it. That is for big business and SMEs. 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,680 Adam Lang: Inside Parliament, the Optus Triple Zero outage dominated question time, 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,200 Adam Lang: exposing gaps in crisis management and communication oversight. Outside Canberra, 55 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Adam Lang: the Prime Minister signed the Puk Puk Defence Treaty with 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Adam Lang: Papa New Guinea, deepening a joint defense access across the Pacific. 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,000 Adam Lang: Our PM also launched Singapore's Comprehensive Strategic Partnership two point zero, 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Adam Lang: reinforcing trade, energy deals and cooperation, and he confirmed an 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,840 Adam Lang: upcoming meeting with Donald Trump in Washington where AUKUS will 60 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,919 Adam Lang: no doubt dominate the agenda shaping nuclear submarine investment, technology 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Adam Lang: sharing and supply chain jobs for decades and of course, 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,680 Adam Lang: finally that White House meeting with Donald Trump has been put 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,960 Adam Lang: in the calendar. This week Parliament returned to where domestic accountability 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,480 Adam Lang: meets Australia's need for global diplomacy, and where credibility tests 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Adam Lang: political numbers to define real power. Overall, a big week 66 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,840 Adam Lang: for Albanese and our biggest business story of the week Sean. 67 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Sean Aylmer: Well, firstly, Nat, are you giving points for boring? 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Natalie MacDonald: I will say, when the team reached out, Michael was 69 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Natalie MacDonald: very keen that he would like to see points deducted. 70 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: I do know if I can give him that, But 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: I am bearing yeah. 72 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Sean Aylmer: I feel free, feel free, And the omnibus character of 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Sean Aylmer: Adam's story was a disgrace. But anyway, another our guess, 74 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,279 Sean Aylmer: regular guest judges Tim Burrows, actually sort of detracts points 75 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,360 Sean Aylmer: when there's like ten stories in one. So just putting 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,240 Sean Aylmer: it out there. That just putting it out there, that's all. 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: I'll bear it in mind. 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,880 Sean Aylmer: So what do you want? Size and gravitasks flows through 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,800 Sean Aylmer: storytelling stuff like that one hundred years ago, Nat, A 80 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Sean Aylmer: long long time ago. No, Over the last hundred years, 81 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,760 Sean Aylmer: there's been about fifty attempts or at least documented attempts 82 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,359 Sean Aylmer: at peace plans for the Middle East. Not You know, 83 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Sean Aylmer: you think Camp David Accords, you think of conventions, you 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,919 Sean Aylmer: think of all sorts of meetings. You know, Bill Clinton 85 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,120 Sean Aylmer: tried it. Any presidents have tried it. Never has it succeeded. 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,840 Sean Aylmer: This week, Israel and MAAS have officially signed a ceasefire 87 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,839 Sean Aylmer: deal after President Donald Trump announced the two sides would 88 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,320 Sean Aylmer: release all Israeli hostages in the first step towards what 89 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,279 Sean Aylmer: he called strong, durable, and everlasting peace. Under the deal, 90 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,760 Sean Aylmer: Israel will remain in fifty three percent of the Gaza 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,440 Sean Aylmer: strip until the last of the hostages are released, dead 92 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,120 Sean Aylmer: or alive. There are about twenty living hostages, believed to 93 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Sean Aylmer: be forty eight hostages in total, so the remains of 94 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,760 Sean Aylmer: the other twenty eight will come out later or early 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Sean Aylmer: next week. Six hundred aid trucks have already begun flowing 96 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,040 Sean Aylmer: into the Gaza. The broad deal will allow more humanitarian 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Sean Aylmer: aid to facilitate the prisoner exchange. It marks a significant 98 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Sean Aylmer: breakthrough in Trump's renewed push to end the conflict, which 99 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,240 Sean Aylmer: has killed tens of thousands of people and triggered a 100 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,000 Sean Aylmer: wave of problems across the Middle East. If the peace 101 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,839 Sean Aylmer: deal holds, and let's face it, that is a very 102 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,960 Sean Aylmer: very very very very very big If then this would 103 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Sean Aylmer: be the biggest story not just of the week, the year, 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,720 Sean Aylmer: the decade, perhaps the twenty first century so far. It 105 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,200 Sean Aylmer: would also cast Donald Trump in a totally new light. 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,800 Sean Aylmer: Hard to say anything good about that man, but if 107 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,839 Sean Aylmer: he can actually bring peace to the Middle East, well, dozens, 108 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,720 Sean Aylmer: probably hundreds of politicians have been trying that for years 109 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Sean Aylmer: and years and years. Big Caveatt's got a hold. I 110 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Sean Aylmer: get that. But in terms of this week, the fact 111 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,840 Sean Aylmer: that a peace deal was signed, Wow, that's a big story. 112 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,159 Natalie MacDonald: However, to you, Nat, I'm sorry, Adam, it has to 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Natalie MacDonald: be sure. 114 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 4: You're You're totally right. 115 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,479 Natalie MacDonald: I think there is no there's Like you said, there's 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Natalie MacDonald: no bigger story this week, this month, this year. 117 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: This decade. 118 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Natalie MacDonald: But I think interesting your point around whether or not 119 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,760 Natalie MacDonald: it holds, it's not neces necessarily. Yeah, we're looking at 120 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Natalie MacDonald: a twenty point action plan essentially when it comes to 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Natalie MacDonald: progress and a pathway forward. I also think, as you say, 122 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Natalie MacDonald: Donald Trump's role in this is fascinating. That is a 123 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,880 Natalie MacDonald: university degree in itself, and he's definitely making those steps 124 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Natalie MacDonald: towards that that Nobel Piece prize that he apparently seems 125 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,200 Natalie MacDonald: desperate for. 126 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: So Sean Sean gets this one. 127 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,040 Sean Aylmer: I'm liking that early, Adam, what do you reckon? 128 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:31,480 Adam Lang: Yeah? 129 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Sean Aylmer: I can't object see the problem with you and is 130 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,760 Sean Aylmer: such a nice guy. I want to really be nasty 131 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,120 Sean Aylmer: to you, but you are genuinely a nice person. I mean, 132 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 Sean Aylmer: when Michael's here, I didn't any problems being nasty. 133 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: He does make it pretty easy. 134 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,600 Sean Aylmer: Oh, that is something we're going to go on to 135 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Sean Aylmer: that particular comment. 136 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,000 Adam Lang: Hell, hello, Michael, you're sure to be listening. 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,160 Sean Aylmer: It's true most remarkable story. Can I go first? 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Adam Lang: Yeah? Please? Girl? 139 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Sean Aylmer: Gold gold, gold, gold, gold, gold, gold, and gold pushing 140 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,600 Sean Aylmer: through four thousand US dollars an ounce, driven by investors 141 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,960 Sean Aylmer: seeking safety from economic and geo political uncertainty. Plenty going on. 142 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Sean Aylmer: I mean, we had the spot gold hitting forty twenty 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,560 Sean Aylmer: US dollars an ounce, quite phenomenal, up more than fifty 144 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Sean Aylmer: percent this year twenty seven percent last year. A bunch 145 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Sean Aylmer: of factors in this central banks are piling into gold, 146 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,240 Sean Aylmer: institutional investors. They're probably not piling the gold, but they're 147 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Sean Aylmer: buying up gold. There's renewed interest in gold backed exchange 148 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Sean Aylmer: traded funds. This resilient retail demand has very much fueled 149 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,559 Sean Aylmer: the medal's bullish run. Investors also are starting to fear 150 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Sean Aylmer: hard currencies, and this is a bit crazy. Greenback has 151 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,360 Sean Aylmer: always been a safe haven currency. It still is, so 152 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Sean Aylmer: let's not overstate this. But the White House that's in 153 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,280 Sean Aylmer: at the moment that Trump administration has really hurt its credibility, 154 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Sean Aylmer: and people just hold the US dollar like they used to. 155 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,160 Sean Aylmer: The Euro another big currency, not quite as safe haven 156 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,920 Sean Aylmer: as the usd but probably second in line. Well, what's 157 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,600 Sean Aylmer: going on in France at the moment where we had 158 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,959 Sean Aylmer: a prime minister for twenty four hours, the fifth one 159 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,839 Sean Aylmer: over the past year. That's causing all sorts of disturbances there. 160 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,880 Sean Aylmer: In Japan there's new prime minister, so at the end 161 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,960 Sean Aylmer: is struggling. Fair bit of fomo going on as well 162 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Sean Aylmer: as gold price increases, people keep jumping in. Just remarkable 163 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,000 Sean Aylmer: that gold can get to four thousand and potentially five 164 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,520 Sean Aylmer: thousand US dollars announced according to Goldman Sacks over the 165 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Sean Aylmer: last twelve months. I just hasn't a side here. Can 166 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,359 Sean Aylmer: I throw in the Pokemon craze as well, because Pokemon 167 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Sean Aylmer: pokemon cars are trading at record highs as well. It's 168 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Sean Aylmer: a wild, wild world out there. My most remarkable story, though, 169 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,400 Sean Aylmer: is all about gold. 170 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: Adam, thank you sean gold in a dash of Pokemon 171 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: and I get it. Look, gold did grab a few 172 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 5: headlines this week, but the real shift in the contemporary 173 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: economy is digital. Get out of the molten metals shorn 174 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 5: and get with a hip new digital stuff. 175 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,079 Sean Aylmer: I'm an analogue man, you are so digital. 176 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,040 Adam Lang: I'll try and play that role for now. 177 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 5: Bitcoin has surged past US one hundred and twenty five 178 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 5: thousand dollars, and that is up more than thirty percent 179 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 5: in this year alone, behaving less like a speculative item 180 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 5: and more like a safe haven asset. It is a 181 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: brave new digital world, and we've got to get our 182 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 5: collective business heads around it. The same forces that are 183 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 5: pushing gold higher, geopolitical tension, sticky inflation, interest rates, interest 184 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 5: rate jitters, and general uncertainty are driving institutional and individual 185 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: money into bitcoin. In a single decade, cryptocurrency has gone 186 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 5: from rebel stock to safe refuge. And what's remarkable isn't 187 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 5: just the price, it's the perception of it being an 188 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 5: established safe When markets start treating crypto code is collateral. 189 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 5: We're seeing a generational change in how people define trust. 190 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: Gold demand signals fear, Bitcoin love signals evolution. And this 191 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 5: week the most remarkable story in global finance wasn't about 192 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 5: the past and that shiny, beautiful yellow metal. It was 193 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 5: about what investors know the future looks like. It's digital, 194 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 5: its boundary breaking, and its crypto. 195 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Sean Aylmer: Natalie Oh, hold on? Can I put a protest in? 196 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 4: Natalie First, I'm open to it. 197 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,680 Sean Aylmer: The phrase gold demand signals fear, Bitcoin love signals evolution. 198 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Sean Aylmer: I mean, what's Adam on at the moment. It's early 199 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:42,920 Sean Aylmer: in the morning. 200 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 4: I okay, So I really like both of these stories. 201 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Natalie MacDonald: And I was so so fascinated to see cues of 202 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Natalie MacDonald: people outside as true. 203 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, so absolutely true. 204 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Natalie MacDonald: Yeah outside ABC Billion in Sydney's Martin Place, they had 205 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Natalie MacDonald: crowds so mostly apparently retirees and families were waiting around. 206 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Natalie MacDonald: I'm hoping to buy one family were looking at twenty 207 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Natalie MacDonald: grams of gold, a few grams of silver. You know, 208 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,199 Natalie MacDonald: they're quite literally lining their pockets. I think that's really fascinating. 209 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,319 Natalie MacDonald: I also have to say I was I actually attended 210 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,640 Natalie MacDonald: the launch of Bitcoin's Gemini new platform launching Australia, and 211 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,319 Natalie MacDonald: that was really curious as well some of the conversation 212 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,720 Natalie MacDonald: that emerged from there as well, the fact that we 213 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,880 Natalie MacDonald: are now seeing you know, more baby boomers. Used to 214 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Natalie MacDonald: be house seeing as that collection of wealth accumulation, but 215 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,680 Natalie MacDonald: then now looking at crypto, you're also seeing women, you know, 216 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Natalie MacDonald: in terms of demographics change, women are now coming into 217 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Natalie MacDonald: that space and placing larger deposits. So I think it's 218 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,480 Natalie MacDonald: really really interesting that you are now seeing this as 219 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:01,360 Natalie MacDonald: becoming Yeah, as Adam said that that more legitimate that decentralized, 220 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:07,160 Natalie MacDonald: so therefore less risky kind of product coming through. So 221 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Natalie MacDonald: I'm giving this one to Adam. 222 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,559 Adam Lang: Even Sean at the halftime. 223 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,120 Sean Aylmer: Break tumbleweeds absolute tumbleweeds on that. 224 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,520 Adam Lang: He takes it well, Natalie doesn't he. 225 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,600 Sean Aylmer: I mean, it's one one going into the break. I'm 226 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,040 Sean Aylmer: very competitive, not quite as competitive as Michael, but I'm 227 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Sean Aylmer: very competitive, So not really happy going into one one 228 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,839 Sean Aylmer: rather than to zip. But we will manage pressed in 229 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,640 Sean Aylmer: the break. Sean, that's right. We like Natalie McDonald. We 230 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,040 Sean Aylmer: like Natalie McDonald. That's it. We'll be back at a 231 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:48,760 Sean Aylmer: moment with the west rest of the weekend edition. Okay, 232 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,000 Sean Aylmer: so Category three to be judged by the wonderful Naphalie McDonald, 233 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,720 Sean Aylmer: our guest judge this morning, founder of Working at It. 234 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,920 Sean Aylmer: How is it? How is working at Its going? 235 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 4: That it's great. 236 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Natalie MacDonald: I've had a couple of really lovely wins lately with 237 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,400 Natalie MacDonald: some of the clients, so that I've been supporting in 238 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,680 Natalie MacDonald: their in their online journey, their visibility journey in the 239 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,439 Natalie MacDonald: digital space. And it's just so wonderful to see people 240 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:19,240 Natalie MacDonald: starting to own and grow their personal and professional brands. 241 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,920 Natalie MacDonald: So it's been enjoyable. When was the last time, Suan, 242 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Natalie MacDonald: that you logged into your LinkedIn account? 243 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Sean Aylmer: Hey, hey, hold on. I came back from holidays and 244 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Sean Aylmer: they orders went. Natalie said, you've got to do LinkedIn 245 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Sean Aylmer: because you never do LinkedIn, And so I did a 246 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,240 Sean Aylmer: couple of LinkedIn posts within the first week, because that's 247 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720 Sean Aylmer: probably two weeks ago, and so for me, that's actually 248 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Sean Aylmer: pretty good. 249 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bringing your average up. 250 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Sean Aylmer: So just exactly what he's working at it for listeners. 251 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: So Working at It is a consultancy. 252 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,880 Natalie MacDonald: It's built off the back of seven years experience in 253 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,160 Natalie MacDonald: the machine, as it were, the LinkedIn machine. 254 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 4: So I support. 255 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,920 Natalie MacDonald: Execs and c suites and individuals on connecting their professional 256 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Natalie MacDonald: and their personal brand and building out an online presence 257 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Natalie MacDonald: and supporting those like yourself, Sean who maybe aren't quite 258 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,600 Natalie MacDonald: sure where they fit in the world, to help them 259 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Natalie MacDonald: grow their network. So for individuals it might be looking 260 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,560 Natalie MacDonald: to secure their next opportunity or positioning themselves as a 261 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Natalie MacDonald: thought leader of choice, and for organizations kind of flipping 262 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Natalie MacDonald: it around the other way of building brand trust, it's 263 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,120 Natalie MacDonald: attracting and retaining. 264 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Sean Aylmer: Talent fantastic, So it's working at as in the symbol at, I. 265 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,240 Natalie MacDonald: Think, because we are all working at something, so we 266 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,040 Natalie MacDonald: may as well do it together and make it great fantastic. 267 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Sean Aylmer: Our next category, it's our mystery category. Now it's sort 268 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,480 Sean Aylmer: of I mean, we called it Teke gone Wrong, but 269 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,720 Sean Aylmer: perhaps better described as oops moments, because we all have 270 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Sean Aylmer: oops moments I shouldn't have done that, and these stories 271 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,720 Sean Aylmer: about are about oh, I shouldn't have done that moments. Adam, 272 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,360 Sean Aylmer: do you want to go first, sure, Sean. 273 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: This week, it wasn't just international scale hackers that brought 274 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 5: down trust. It was human error upon error upon non 275 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: monitored error. In Parliament, the optist triple zero failure dominated 276 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 5: question time, with the government forced to admit that emergency 277 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 5: alerts during the crisis was sent to a non monitored 278 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 5: email inbox. It wasn't just a software glitch or a 279 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 5: network collapse or vishing. That's the combination of voice and 280 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 5: fishing with a pH. It was a communications breakdown inside 281 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 5: our National Communications Department. Minister for Communications Annika Wells described 282 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 5: the incident as deeply regrettable, but the language couldn't hide 283 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: the reality a failure of process, not just technology, with 284 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 5: awful human impact and tragic consequences. This was a story 285 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 5: about how big systems can be changed and miss important details, 286 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 5: and how public trust vanishes in the gap between responsibility 287 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 5: and effective response. In a week of geopolitical headlines, cyber 288 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 5: risks and global hacks, the real tech mystery was much 289 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: much simpler. How did a modern government lose contact with 290 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 5: its own emergency network? 291 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,639 Adam Lang: Sean? 292 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,959 Sean Aylmer: Are you going to keep throwing it up political stories? 293 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 5: Adam, Well, it's been a bonanza week for it. I 294 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 5: can't help what I'm gifted. 295 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,879 Sean Aylmer: Oh, Adam, Look, my oop's story really comes out of 296 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Sean Aylmer: the fact that Connus has been caught up in a 297 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,520 Sean Aylmer: massive cyber attack that's hit thirty nine companies around the 298 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,840 Sean Aylmer: Globe a hack a collective called Scattered Laps of Dollar Hunters. 299 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Sean Aylmer: Why do hacker collectives have names like Scattered Laps of 300 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Sean Aylmer: Dollar Hunters. Anyone, Nat, Adam, anyone? 301 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,080 Adam Lang: No, can't help? 302 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: No, sorry, I mean. 303 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,320 Sean Aylmer: Just call yourselves, you know, criminals or something like that. 304 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Sean Aylmer: Scattered Steve like that, Barry, we are the Barries, and 305 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,240 Sean Aylmer: we are we want to steal one billion records, which 306 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Sean Aylmer: is what Scattered Laps of Dollar Hunters did by targeting 307 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,120 Sean Aylmer: customers of cloud technology giant Salesforce. It's been vishing, as 308 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Sean Aylmer: Adam told us, that's voice fishing. Basically, hackers pose as 309 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Sean Aylmer: legitimate employees, call company I desks, convince unsuspecting staff to 310 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Sean Aylmer: grant them access. They do that. Oops, that's the oops 311 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,440 Sean Aylmer: moment in this story. Bunch of companies caught up outside Quannis, Toyota, 312 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,800 Sean Aylmer: Google at Sansisco, Disney Air France, kalam I Kia. The 313 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,679 Sean Aylmer: stolen data reportedly includes customer dates of birth, passport numbers, 314 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,160 Sean Aylmer: and purchase histories collected over the past eighteen months or so. 315 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,879 Sean Aylmer: The data is expected or they have threatened. Our friend 316 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,240 Sean Aylmer: Barry Aie Scattered Laps of Dollar Hunters has threatened to 317 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Sean Aylmer: put it on the dark Web from about now. The 318 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,720 Sean Aylmer: massive attacks show that once again the most at risk 319 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,080 Sean Aylmer: part of a company's technology security is human interaction. In 320 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,800 Sean Aylmer: this instance, rather than actually hacking salesforces systems, they exploited 321 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,399 Sean Aylmer: the human element. They basically ring them up and convinced 322 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,640 Sean Aylmer: them to download a tool. What I must say with 323 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,040 Sean Aylmer: my story and Adam's story, it is the human intervention 324 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Sean Aylmer: where things go wrong. But I actually feel very very 325 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,919 Sean Aylmer: sorry for the individual humans involved, because at the end 326 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Sean Aylmer: of the day, optics need to have processes in place 327 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,760 Sean Aylmer: that one individual can't be at fault. Same deal with 328 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,360 Sean Aylmer: all these large corporates like Quantus, Toyota, Google, et cetera. Now, 329 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,920 Sean Aylmer: without knowing the absolute detail, it's hard to see what happened, 330 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,959 Sean Aylmer: but I do feel sorry for the individuals. 331 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:55,680 Natalie MacDonald: Nat So I mentioned that Michael had encouraged me to 332 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,600 Natalie MacDonald: deduct points. 333 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,439 Sean Aylmer: I'm not since when you mean this, Michael, this is 334 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,120 Sean Aylmer: a really good point. 335 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Natalie MacDonald: No, So I did consider because Adam, this is in 336 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Natalie MacDonald: fact the second story that you have used Parliament, and 337 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,480 Natalie MacDonald: so as far as you know, bringing something fresh to 338 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Natalie MacDonald: the table. Now, I'm not going to detract because frankly 339 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,920 Natalie MacDonald: that's cruel and also that does feel like I would 340 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Natalie MacDonald: just be listening to Michael just that touch too much, 341 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,280 Natalie MacDonald: but I just can't. 342 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: I can't do it. 343 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:35,160 Natalie MacDonald: But I am going with Sean on this one. I 344 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,399 Natalie MacDonald: think it's really incredible when you have a group of 345 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,560 Natalie MacDonald: Steve's I'm going to call them because I can't pronounce, 346 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,399 Natalie MacDonald: because I can't pronounce their scattered lap, you know, because 347 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,920 Natalie MacDonald: this is a group that's claimed responsibility for hacks on 348 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Natalie MacDonald: overseas organizations as well, Marks and Spencer, Jaguar, Landrover in 349 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:59,440 Natalie MacDonald: the UK. Additionally, and now you've got forty companies around 350 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,880 Natalie MacDonald: the world who are all kind of at the behest. 351 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,600 Natalie MacDonald: I also really find it interesting salesforce is refusing to engage. 352 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,080 Natalie MacDonald: They're not negotiating, they're not paying any form of extortion demand. 353 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,879 Natalie MacDonald: So where do you go from here? You know, realistically, 354 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,879 Natalie MacDonald: I just think it's fascinating. I think, as you both mentioned, 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Natalie MacDonald: you know, the human error impact of this, it is 356 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,320 Natalie MacDonald: becoming more and more common. This morning, I was definitely 357 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,280 Natalie MacDonald: sent something by my dad that was absolutely going to 358 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Natalie MacDonald: steal all of my bank details. 359 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,440 Sean Aylmer: And there's just your father liked that generally. 360 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,320 Natalie MacDonald: No, no, In fact, he'll probably tell you it's a 361 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,240 Natalie MacDonald: lifetime a bit of the other way around me trying 362 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:40,679 Natalie MacDonald: to steal his. 363 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: But it really really continues to. 364 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Natalie MacDonald: Bring to the fore the fact that there needs to 365 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,800 Natalie MacDonald: be greater systems put to put in place to protect 366 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,679 Natalie MacDonald: consumers and to protect Australians and protect our data. 367 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: So in this instance, Sean gets it. 368 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Sean Aylmer: Excellent judgment to Nana. Good Oh dear, well, we go 369 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Sean Aylmer: to our favorite story. I think it's my turn to 370 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,560 Sean Aylmer: go first. I'll jump in. I every time this happens 371 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Sean Aylmer: every year, I really like it. It's the Times ranking 372 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:18,480 Sean Aylmer: of universities, and particularly the Australian universities. Six ozsie unis 373 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,879 Sean Aylmer: were ranked in the top one hundred worldwide, ten in 374 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Sean Aylmer: the top two hundred. University in Melbourne rated the best 375 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Sean Aylmer: Australian instituted ranked globally thirty seven, up from thirty nine. 376 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,520 Sean Aylmer: Achieved near per scores for research excellence and influence as 377 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,960 Sean Aylmer: well as teaching quality. A good friend of mine, Micky Coelli, 378 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,920 Sean Aylmer: is an academic down there, So go Mick. Australia's oldest institution, 379 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Sean Aylmer: the University of Sydney, went from sixty one to fifty three. 380 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,760 Sean Aylmer: Monash's at fifty eight. Australian National University University in New 381 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,760 Sean Aylmer: South Wales, Union of Queensland all in that top one hundred. 382 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,040 Sean Aylmer: Just to fill out the story, Oxford in England tops 383 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,080 Sean Aylmer: the world rankings. One for you, Natalie, Massachusetts Institute of 384 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,760 Sean Aylmer: Technology m I team in the US and Boston that's 385 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,800 Sean Aylmer: number two, and then Princeton and Cambridge come in at 386 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,480 Sean Aylmer: equal three. Why it's my favorite story. The better Australian 387 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Sean Aylmer: university is doing these times rankings, the more opportunity they 388 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,080 Sean Aylmer: have to attract foreign students. Given what's going on in 389 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,879 Sean Aylmer: the US at the moment, and we see federal funding 390 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,240 Sean Aylmer: for universities being collapsed as they reach out to more 391 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Sean Aylmer: foreign students, that provides an opportunity not just for the 392 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Sean Aylmer: UK universities, but Australian universities as well. We have a 393 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,320 Sean Aylmer: comparative advantage in being an English speaking country, which seems 394 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,160 Sean Aylmer: to be the favored language to learn in. We also 395 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,119 Sean Aylmer: have these great institutions that can export, so when someone 396 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Sean Aylmer: comes into this country does university course, that's an export. 397 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,240 Sean Aylmer: We're still about thirty five billion dollars of higher education 398 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Sean Aylmer: exports a year already and this is a massive, massive 399 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Sean Aylmer: opportunity for US and the further up the rankings, the 400 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Sean Aylmer: local university is the be the opportunity. My favorite story 401 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040 Sean Aylmer: Adam Sean. 402 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 5: It's a brilliant story about a multi billion dollar industry. 403 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: But how about we step up the game a little to. 404 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,960 Sean Aylmer: The Trilivel's ledg from Adam unheard of go on. 405 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 5: While many many turned into global markets and our winter 406 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 5: football codes are over, Australian too a back, spending their 407 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 5: springtime watching, investing, and buying property In September National September 408 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 5: National home values rose zero point eight percent in that 409 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: month alone, reaching a median of eight hundred and fifty 410 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 5: seven two hundred and eighty dollars, marking the fastest monthly gain. 411 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Adam Lang: In a year. 412 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 5: According to Cotality, quarterly values increased two point two percent, 413 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 5: with broad gains across the cities. The capital cities including 414 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 5: Brisbane Serves one point two per one point six, Sydney 415 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 5: zero point eight and Melbourne zero point five. At the 416 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 5: same time, median rents in capital cities passed se seven 417 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 5: hundred dollars a week for the first time, with rents 418 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 5: up nearly forty four percent over five years. These numbers 419 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 5: tell a story of property scarcity, limited listings and increasing population, 420 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 5: surging demand and rising borrowing capacity are pushing prices up. 421 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 5: In a world of instability, property still remains Australia's most 422 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 5: consistent bet. That's why housing continues to be more than 423 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 5: a story as a national asset cost felt in every 424 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 5: hip pocket. Whether it's the worry about rent or the 425 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 5: hope of home ownership, property binds us all where and 426 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 5: the way it flourishes. 427 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Sean Aylmer: What's with it? You know, whether it's the worry about 428 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Sean Aylmer: my going to home ownership, property binds us all deductions and. 429 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: I'll continue where how and the way in which we 430 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 5: all live starts and finishes every day. And that is 431 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 5: why this is my favorite story of the week. The 432 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 5: opportunity is huge and important to fix it. 433 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,719 Sean Aylmer: The opportunity is for Natalie to deduct points from the 434 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,320 Sean Aylmer: garbage that's going on. 435 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:09,600 Natalie MacDonald: Here is Michael in the room with us. 436 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 6: I'm so that was so Michael esque in its delivery, 437 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 6: although actually he would probably still be talking admittedly. 438 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Sean Aylmer: A few times today, but that's the worst one. You 439 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,399 Sean Aylmer: are turning into Michael Sewan. 440 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: And also, to be honest stories aside. 441 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,200 Natalie MacDonald: Adam gets this mainly because then the nicest man in 442 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Natalie MacDonald: media offering the rarest sledge of all time basically, like, basically, 443 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,040 Natalie MacDonald: he gets it. 444 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 4: And I did say that I have my criteria storytelling 445 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: was was one of them ignored? 446 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,680 Natalie MacDonald: That's because they're my criteria, Sean. I can change them 447 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,960 Natalie MacDonald: at will, but I think I don't. So, yes, Adam 448 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Natalie MacDonald: does get this. But Sean and your story around education, 449 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,560 Natalie MacDonald: I do think the university thing is really really really interesting. 450 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,040 Natalie MacDonald: I think increasingly, if you look at universities and even 451 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,160 Natalie MacDonald: you know, private school systems, foreign student numbers are their 452 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Natalie MacDonald: pathway to financial success, like that is just becoming increasingly 453 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,919 Natalie MacDonald: important to them. My concern though, is then what that 454 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Natalie MacDonald: does do for citizens, for residents and in terms of 455 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,960 Natalie MacDonald: education pathways for residents of those countries who are being 456 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,760 Natalie MacDonald: priced out essentially or who are being pushed out due 457 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,240 Natalie MacDonald: to that duty. 458 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,919 Sean Aylmer: Maybe that's Cain Region, maybe that's Oxford. But here in Australia, 459 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,600 Sean Aylmer: don't you worry about it. Plenty a place if you'll 460 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,480 Sean Aylmer: find you will find room. 461 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 4: Still take you be that, be that, be that as 462 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: it may. 463 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,760 Natalie MacDonald: Sean, Adam gets this property property win every every time, 464 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,720 Natalie MacDonald: and also sledging. Sledging wins every every time. 465 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,880 Sean Aylmer: Also, well, I'm happy to concede purely on the sledging 466 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,560 Sean Aylmer: on Adam, like, I'm not happy to concede on the story. 467 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Sean Aylmer: So does that mean we're at to Were you giving 468 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,240 Sean Aylmer: points by any chance during that matter? 469 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 5: On? 470 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't. No, it does it puts it puts you. 471 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 4: It puts you at a. 472 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560 Natalie MacDonald: Draw, which actually Adam may remember that was how Michael 473 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Natalie MacDonald: and I were left hanging. 474 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 4: How How does it feel. 475 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,440 Adam Lang: Strangely unsatisfied? 476 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: Now? 477 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 5: You know? 478 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Natalie MacDonald: No, great great battle gentlemen, I'm. 479 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,560 Sean Aylmer: Really keen to be judge at some point, all that 480 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Sean Aylmer: you could come do the show and I can be 481 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Sean Aylmer: judged because I think the judge has so much power. Like, 482 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,760 Sean Aylmer: neither Adam nor I are happy at the moment, but 483 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Sean Aylmer: we're not sad either. 484 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: No, but you enjoyed the experience. 485 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,800 Sean Aylmer: Thank you so so much for coming on. Remember everyone 486 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,920 Sean Aylmer: working at IT get it. What's the best way to 487 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,560 Sean Aylmer: get in touch with you? 488 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 4: That there's this little thing called LinkedIn. 489 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,000 Natalie MacDonald: I can be found by Bill Bye blue button. 490 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: Sean. 491 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,680 Natalie MacDonald: You probably don't even remember how to spell LinkedIn. It's 492 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Natalie MacDonald: been spend that long, you know. You can find me 493 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,000 Natalie MacDonald: on LinkedIn. Oh, you can find me at www. Dot 494 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,240 Natalie MacDonald: working at it, dot com dot au. 495 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,000 Sean Aylmer: Fantastic Matt, thanks for joining us this morning. 496 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Thank you Adam, thank you Sean, 497 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 5: and thank you DaLie. 498 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,400 Sean Aylmer: Make sure you're following the podcast. Join us online on LinkedIn, LinkedIn, LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, 499 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,400 Sean Aylmer: Facebook and X Did I get it right now? LinkedIn? 500 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,760 Sean Aylmer: Did I mention? I think I got to work with it. 501 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 4: I think you spooze it in that. 502 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,000 Sean Aylmer: I'm sure I am. That was the weekend edition by 503 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200 Sean Aylmer: Fear and Greek Business Views. We hope you have a 504 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,840 Sean Aylmer: great weekend.