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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fearing Greed Sunday edition, where we have fallen

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Speaker 1: into the habit of asking each other five questions vaguely

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Speaker 1: related to this week's news events. I'm Sean Almer and

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Speaker 1: welcome Michael Thompson, Hello Sean, and Adam Lang.

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Speaker 2: Hello Sean.

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Speaker 1: A story this week which was interesting for many reasons

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Speaker 1: came from the man himself, Donald Trump, you may know him,

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Speaker 1: President of the United States. He was watching social media

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Speaker 1: as is his want, and on one of the US

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Speaker 1: warships was hit in the Middle East. It was a

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Speaker 1: bit shocked. It's like, you know, I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: did I do. I just rang the general in charge

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Speaker 1: and asked, hey, has your both been hit? The general

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Speaker 1: said everything was fine. No, the ship hadn't been hit,

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Speaker 1: which Donald Trump then said, so it must have been

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Speaker 1: fake news. It was ai, which brings me to today's

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Speaker 1: five questions, all about news on social media? Are you

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Speaker 1: too ready?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and we have no I I had no

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Speaker 3: idea where you're going with any of that. So this

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Speaker 3: is going to be good.

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Speaker 1: Let's do this, okay, Starting with you, Adam, Yes, easy one.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen a fake video or audio clip online

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Speaker 1: that looked real and if so, what gave it away?

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Speaker 1: How do you know?

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Speaker 2: It was Twiggy Forest endorsing this crypto coin and it

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Speaker 2: was on Facebook, and I just looked at it and thought,

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Speaker 2: no way. So actually the imagery looked pretty good, but

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Speaker 2: it just was this doesn't feel.

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Speaker 3: Right at all.

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Speaker 1: So it was too far fetched.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the top exactly the topic was just implausible to.

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Speaker 1: Me, Michael.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nothing spectacular, It was nothing hugely exciting,

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Speaker 3: but it was It was on social media and it

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Speaker 3: was just people to walking and there was just something wrong,

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Speaker 3: like there was something odd about it, and like that

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Speaker 3: just doesn't look right. And in the end I was

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Speaker 3: looking at it and there their faces were just too

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Speaker 3: kind of clean, and then and the movement was too

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Speaker 3: perfect and maybe it was something to do with the

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Speaker 3: shadow or something. And so I'm like, as you do,

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Speaker 3: you go to the comments in that kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: and just as soon as you get down there to

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Speaker 3: say ai ai ai ai, everybody hammering it. But I

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Speaker 3: was like, it was almost like if you'd be if

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Speaker 3: you'd asked me to define exactly what it was that

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Speaker 3: gave it away. There was just something indescribable that just

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Speaker 3: didn't feel right. But that was probably six months ago,

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Speaker 3: and I've gotten a whole lot better even in that time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, second question, have you seen something on social media

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Speaker 1: and then related it to your partners, your kids, your friends, whatever,

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Speaker 1: and halfway through the story thought, oh, that can't be true,

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's because so I have had an instance.

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Speaker 1: I was walking with Jackie during the week and telling it,

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Speaker 1: relaying this theory, and she just made a singple comment

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Speaker 1: why it was totally wrong, and I thought, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Been alf I didn't think of that.

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Speaker 1: So you've actually been taken for it.

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Speaker 3: I this may not surprise you. I'm very cynical when

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Speaker 3: it comes to what I see and read, and I've

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Speaker 3: become very dull that I've actually started cross checking all

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Speaker 2: Okay, ah, So I've seen a number of you know,

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Speaker 2: it follows what you want. The algorithm sore so clever.

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Speaker 2: So I've seen people on Instagram doing little guitar tutorials

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Speaker 2: so it was completely AI generated and what the generation

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Speaker 2: was just someone more attractive playing the guitar. So I was, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'll disappointed on two.

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Speaker 1: Fronts Okay, story numbers. Question number three. Should AI videos

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Speaker 1: just too hard?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely they should?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh yeah, that's a hard yes for me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good that was then. Yeah, well, you know that

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Speaker 1: was the dule question. Question number four. If someone wants

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Speaker 1: to fake news one of you two, Yeah, what would

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Speaker 1: Well, you can make a professional if you'd like professionally.

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Speaker 1: Put together how to put together a spreadsheet, Adam lang Staff.

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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, there's this really succinct kind

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Speaker 3: look for me, I think it would probably end up

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Speaker 3: it would be something for your and greed related. You

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Speaker 3: would have to have to imagine because we are out

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Speaker 3: That there is probably a risk that that that that

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Speaker 1: Like if it was me, if someone was faking me

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Speaker 1: to be that I'd lost the Saturday edition, a very ingreach.

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Speaker 1: The Man of the People had one, I'm still Michael.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if it was Michael, would it be

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Speaker 2: the single, the double or the triple butt that was

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Speaker 2: used more often?

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Speaker 3: See also the way you guys are talking it makes

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Speaker 3: it we would be passive victims of the AI fake news.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I need to get a little bit proactive here

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Speaker 3: and put out my own series of AI generated fake

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Speaker 3: news videos that feature me in a glorious winning position

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Speaker 3: on the weekend edition, on the Saturday edition. That is

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Speaker 3: actually a good point. It's probably not the best professional

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Speaker 1: Well, this brings me to question number five. What do

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Speaker 1: So I have quite a definite definite response on this.

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Speaker 3: for me. It is making the and again I suspect

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Speaker 3: I'm in the minority in that I do double check.

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Speaker 3: I cross check things, and I go to reputable sources

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Speaker 1: My kids will often say I don't know whether it's true.

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Speaker 1: Like they'll see something say hey, Dad, is that true that?

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Speaker 1: And like, I think that that generation is questioning this.

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Speaker 3: all kind of claims about extraordinary illnesses that the president had,

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Speaker 3: which is obviously where it's going to happen. Sorry, Adam,

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Speaker 2: Adam, No, I think it. It really does reaffirm that

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Speaker 2: it should be labeled. I think that disclosures should be present.

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Speaker 2: I know that's going to be very difficult territory to.

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Speaker 1: And on the topic of the legacy media, not legacy media,

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Speaker 2: Oh, what does it mean for it? It's a it's

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Speaker 2: a it's it's in greater and greater peril. Yeah, so interesting.

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, I think were it not for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this gives it a whole chance to

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Speaker 1: survive and thrive like never before. Anyway, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for your comments. Adam, thank you, Sean, thank you, Michael,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Michael.

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