Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, top law enforcement officials are sounding the
Speaker 2: alarm about the Albanese government's lacks vetting of Gazans. In
Speaker 2: this exclusive New South Wales police are highly concerned that
Speaker 2: her Musk supporters could put community safety at risk. That
Speaker 2: major story coming up in a moment. Also on the
Speaker 2: show tonight, how Tanya Plibacek Plivacek is shaping up to
Speaker 2: be a major threat to the Prime Minister her eleventh
Speaker 2: hour bid to shut down a gold mine the latest
Speaker 2: controversial move. Or Andrew Caswell will be on the show
Speaker 2: to discuss and calls for The New York Times to
Speaker 2: suck its reporter who's behind a list of hundreds of
Speaker 2: Australians being doxed? And also tonight in breaking news, Albanezi
Speaker 2: has been slammed over an off color joke at a
Speaker 2: private dinner that has offended farmers.
Speaker 3: Not the live export. We've made sure it was dead.
Speaker 2: More on that recording with my political panel a bit later,
Speaker 2: but first tonight, Police in New South Wales are highly
Speaker 2: concerned the Albanese government may have given visas to Hamas
Speaker 2: supporters with inadequate security vetting, risking community safety. Security sources
Speaker 2: tell me that far more rigorous checks were done on
Speaker 2: the very young children of Isis brides that on Palestinians
Speaker 2: coming to Australia from a terror hotspot. So lax with
Speaker 2: the security checks that the visas of twenty three Palestinians
Speaker 2: were counseled when they were already en route to the Australia.
Speaker 2: They are now stranded in Turkey or Egypt. The Australian government,
Speaker 2: specifically Tony Burke, has washed his hounds of them.
Speaker 1: Law enforcement in New.
Speaker 2: South Wales are frustrated at what they say is a
Speaker 2: lack of consultation and inadequate security checks. They see this
Speaker 2: as an unacceptable risk to community safety. One senior figure
Speaker 2: told me the last thing we need is Hamas supporters
Speaker 2: in the community, we have a responsibility to protect the
Speaker 2: people in New South Wales. They put the families of
Speaker 2: foreign fighters through biggest scrutiny and those kids have done
Speaker 2: nothing wrong and we're quite young. There were thorough background
Speaker 2: and biometric checks. It's understood that counter terrorism police in
Speaker 2: New South Wales have received no information about which individuals.
Speaker 1: Have come from the war zone. Now.
Speaker 2: I asked Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson about this
Speaker 2: issue and he said that all visas issued to Palestinians
Speaker 2: in Australia need to be reviewed.
Speaker 4: So this is a hugely significant story. It's effectively a
Speaker 4: vote of no confidence by New South Police in the
Speaker 4: Albanesi government's handling of immigration, national security and community safety.
Speaker 2: And that full interview with James Patterson in reaction to
Speaker 2: this story I'm bringing You Now is coming up later
Speaker 2: in the show. The Coalition stepped up its political attack
Speaker 2: on Albanizi in Parliament today accuse him, accusing him of
Speaker 2: running what they could a visa for votes scheme.
Speaker 5: Will the Prime Minister admit that this visa for vote
Speaker 5: scheme was only done to shore up votes in the
Speaker 5: seats of Watson, McMahon and black slaand it doesn't these
Speaker 5: go to his true character?
Speaker 6: Prime Minister, Why is Australia heading out tourist visas to
Speaker 6: gardens from the terrace controlled warzone in an average of
Speaker 6: twenty four hours and in some cases as quickly as
Speaker 6: one hour, while bypassing all the usual checks, including those
Speaker 6: the former coalition government used in Syria. Will the Prime
Speaker 6: Mister admit that the government's visa for vote scheme was
Speaker 6: only done the shore up votes in the seats of Watson,
Speaker 6: McMahon and blacks.
Speaker 5: Or.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister in turn accused Peter Dutton of being
Speaker 2: a bully, and Albanezi also criticized Israel yet again as
Speaker 2: is not strength.
Speaker 7: And punching down on vulnerable people is not strength. But
Speaker 7: that is what this bloke does at shows Australia who
Speaker 7: he really is every day.
Speaker 2: Now this is the second week the Prime Minister has
Speaker 2: been unable to strongly defend or even explain the security
Speaker 2: process for the visas. He hid behind the intelligence agencies
Speaker 2: yet again, saying he has faith that they will do
Speaker 2: their job. But this is highly misleading and it goes
Speaker 2: to the very heart of the issue. AZEO has no
Speaker 2: oversight of this process. Fast tracked visit visas are being
Speaker 2: issued in just one hour after an online application process.
Speaker 2: AZEO and the other intelligence agencies are scrambling to play
Speaker 2: catch up after the government deliberately decided to use visitor
Speaker 2: visas to rush them through, and on the weekend, ed
Speaker 2: Husick admitted the visitor visas were used because they were faster.
Speaker 8: Why visit of.
Speaker 9: Visas though because they're faster to process, ref G visas
Speaker 9: take longer, and given what's happening right now and the
Speaker 9: dangers presented, the view was to try and get people
Speaker 9: out as quickly as you can.
Speaker 2: Well I revealed last night that many of the three
Speaker 2: thousand visas approved for Palestinians were done through an automated
Speaker 2: online process with no manual security checks. Home Affairs today
Speaker 2: confirmed that almost all applications for migration and temporary visas
Speaker 2: are lodged online, regardless of where the applicant is, and
Speaker 2: this includes Palestinian applications. So Home Affairs then also claimed
Speaker 2: that a departmental officer was involved in the process for
Speaker 2: each visa. Now the Coalition asked the Prime Minister about
Speaker 2: this today.
Speaker 10: Of the almost three thousand visas approved for people from
Speaker 10: the terrorist controlled Guarza war zone, how many were approved
Speaker 10: by an automated process and did not involve a referral
Speaker 10: to Asia.
Speaker 2: And did not involve a referral to Asio. Well the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister initially joked about this question he.
Speaker 1: Simply wouldn't answer it.
Speaker 2: Eventually, he claimed none of them were fully automated, but
Speaker 2: he couldn't confirm that all had security checks.
Speaker 1: Have a listen.
Speaker 11: I decided with the involvement of departmental staff.
Speaker 3: None are fully automated. We have dealt with this process.
Speaker 11: But you know that's not the real point of this question,
Speaker 11: is it. It's not to get an answer, it's not
Speaker 11: actually to get information.
Speaker 12: It's just so out and the Stoke.
Speaker 3: Division order ANTI.
Speaker 2: So he couldn't say that there was an AZIO security
Speaker 2: assessment for each visa because it's just not happening. Visitor
Speaker 2: visas are being issued through an automated online process with
Speaker 2: no checks by ASIO. The Prime Minister keeps trying to
Speaker 2: claim that ASIO has been involved in background checks for
Speaker 2: the nearly three thousand Palestinians who've been given visas, but
Speaker 2: the claim is simply false. The Australian's political journalist Jeff
Speaker 2: Chambers also wrote today that the Australian Security Intelligence Organization
Speaker 2: ASIO was drafted in only if the department requested higher
Speaker 2: level assessments. In fact, most electronic visitor visas were issued
Speaker 2: after an online questionnaire basically self assessment. By contrast, humanitarian
Speaker 2: visas refugee visas that Ed Hughesick said would take too long, well,
Speaker 2: they would have involved extensive biometric checks, face to face
Speaker 2: interviews and intelligent screening. None of that has happened in
Speaker 2: most cases here and in further proof that the visa
Speaker 2: process has been rushed and inadequate is the fact that
Speaker 2: twenty three people were issued visas they were on their
Speaker 2: way to Australia when they were canceled. The process has
Speaker 2: been chaotic to say the least. Now, the Coalition asked
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister why his government security assessments have been
Speaker 2: far weaker than our Five Eyes counterparts, which have required
Speaker 2: face to face interviews.
Speaker 13: Why have we fast tracked visas for nearly three thousand
Speaker 13: people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone since October seven?
Speaker 13: Yet our allies like the UK have taken in one
Speaker 13: hundred and sixty eight in the United States only at seventeen.
Speaker 13: Many cropable countries require face to face interviews in third
Speaker 13: countries or biometric tests to apply for vv conditions that
Speaker 13: Albanese government has waived. Was this decision based on security
Speaker 13: advice or political expediency?
Speaker 2: Well, the Prime Minister again just wouldn't answer the question.
Speaker 2: The Albanese government is shockingly naive about the risks they're
Speaker 2: imposing on Australians.
Speaker 1: It's inexplicable.
Speaker 2: The Australian Newspaper's editorial today makes this critical point. Egyptian
Speaker 2: President Abdel Phatta Elsisi has warned that any mass exodus
Speaker 2: of Gazans would risk bringing militants into Egypt's Sinai Peninsula,
Speaker 2: from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the
Speaker 2: two countries forty year peace treaty, and Jordan, with its
Speaker 2: large Palestinian community, has been similarly reluctant to open up
Speaker 2: to Gazans. So have other Arab states. That has lessons
Speaker 2: for mister Albanesi and mister Burke as they put out
Speaker 2: the welcome mat So that from The Australian's editorial, But
Speaker 2: it seems Albanezi is uninterested in learning lessons from Gaza's
Speaker 2: closest neighbors.
Speaker 1: He appears driven.
Speaker 2: By his lifelog pro Palestinian activism, activism that has seen
Speaker 2: him personally as an MP protest outside the American Embassy
Speaker 2: at a rally where Israeli and American.
Speaker 1: Flags were burnt.
Speaker 2: It's my belief that's what drives him, along with his
Speaker 2: desire to remain in the plum job of Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: now a job he only hopes to retain if Labor
Speaker 2: doesn't lose marginal seats in western Sydney. All right, James
Speaker 2: Patterson will be on the show a little later, but
Speaker 2: let's bring in now former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
Speaker 2: Kroger and Labor legend Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both. Michael,
Speaker 2: having a look this and we've just learned. I've just
Speaker 2: reported that senior police and law enforcement agencies in New
Speaker 2: South Wales are highly concerned about the inadequacy of the
Speaker 2: Albanese government security vetting and the lack of consultation.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: Has overseen here a flawed security process.
Speaker 14: Well, there's no doubt about that. I mean, what do
Speaker 14: you think Asia knows more than the CIA in America,
Speaker 14: who've got tentacles all over the world. The CIA, you know,
Speaker 14: like all security organizations, makes mistakes, but it'll know far
Speaker 14: more about what's going on in the Middle East than
Speaker 14: the NASO. And as you've reported, the Americans have taken
Speaker 14: seventeen people, we've taken thirteen hundred. So I regret to
Speaker 14: say I draw the same conclusion that was drawn in
Speaker 14: the Parliament this afternoon. This was Albanisi and the former
Speaker 14: minister Giles. Don't forget all these All these people came
Speaker 14: here under Giles when he was the minister, this disastrous
Speaker 14: minister who they sacked. This has been done to shore
Speaker 14: up three labor seats in New South Wales and that
Speaker 14: is a disgrace and shame on you Albanisi. By parting
Speaker 14: from every other developed country in the world. And you know,
Speaker 14: from what I can see, this's only looks like seven
Speaker 14: or eight countries now we had four last week. I
Speaker 14: can only get to seven or eight who have taken
Speaker 14: refugees from Gaza. Now Chechner ranks number two. It seems
Speaker 14: to have taken two hundred in Italy one hundred and
Speaker 14: fifty six. I'm not sure about the UK numbers in
Speaker 14: Australia at thirteen hundred. Shame on you, elbow Richo.
Speaker 2: The coalition has really put the heat on Albanesi. Now
Speaker 2: for a second week in a row in Parliament. Do
Speaker 2: you think this issue is resonating with voters.
Speaker 15: Not yet, but that doesn't mean it won't. If it
Speaker 15: continues for another week or two, then I think people
Speaker 15: will start to take notice. I think Arbo has gotten
Speaker 15: away with it so far, but you never get away
Speaker 15: with it forever in this game.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's right, Michael, that voters don't recognize
Speaker 2: at the moment. I think the message is getting through
Speaker 2: to mainstream Australians. They see the aggression and violence that
Speaker 2: we've had in our streets for months now, and they're
Speaker 2: already worried about social cohesion, and they hear that Hamas
Speaker 2: sympathizers might be coming into the country. They hear that
Speaker 2: the security process is flawed. I think this would be
Speaker 2: a concern.
Speaker 14: What do you think, No, Well, I think people draw
Speaker 14: the line. I mean, you know, we all agree that
Speaker 14: there should be a freedom to demonstrate. But over the
Speaker 14: last number of months Australians have decided overwhelmingly, and you've
Speaker 14: seen polls that these demonstrations of Jewish hatred have crossed
Speaker 14: the line between what's acceptful and what's not acceptable in
Speaker 14: the democracy. People are well attuned to this issue in
Speaker 14: this country. Everyone's been hearing about the war in the
Speaker 14: Middle East since October, since that disgusting attack on Jews
Speaker 14: on October seven. This is not an issue out of
Speaker 14: the blue, and so people are actually well attuned to
Speaker 14: what's happening, and now they're hearing that we are such
Speaker 14: an outlier on bringing people from guars that no other
Speaker 14: country in the world is doing six times the next
Speaker 14: biggest number. No, I think people are well attuned to
Speaker 14: this issue. Certainly they are in Victoria, and even though
Speaker 14: this state is traditionally voted labor, it's going down very
Speaker 14: badly here. Albow has crossed the line between stretching people's
Speaker 14: tolerance and belief in wanting to do the right thing, compassion, etc.
Speaker 14: But when they see that we are way beyond anyone else,
Speaker 14: the answer is no. It's resonating big time around this country.
Speaker 2: Richard, Will the Prime Minister eventually have to properly explain
Speaker 2: how this security process has.
Speaker 1: Worked or if it hasn't.
Speaker 2: Is he going to have to houn to review into
Speaker 2: people who are already here and whether they should have
Speaker 2: been issued visas?
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, the pressure is going to be on him,
Speaker 15: and I think the pressure will continue to rise, and
Speaker 15: so he's going to need a circuit breaker of some kind.
Speaker 15: A review perhaps would be the answer, but something will
Speaker 15: have to be done. He can't simply sit back and
Speaker 15: allow things to go on as they are. Because I
Speaker 15: think Labour's losing ground over.
Speaker 2: This all right, let's have a look at the chaos
Speaker 2: inside the Liberal Party and two GB host Ray Hardley
Speaker 2: launched a scathing attack on two Liberals over this embarrassing
Speaker 2: council fiasco. He says the pair are cowardly for not
Speaker 2: fronting up in public about this.
Speaker 16: Have a listen, stop sending me text messages, cowardly letting
Speaker 16: me be your mouthpiece. Get on the air now and
Speaker 16: tell the left of your party you've had a gutful
Speaker 16: of them. You know who you are from the right,
Speaker 16: Anthony Roberts, Alistair Henskins, come on, get on here and
Speaker 16: challenge them.
Speaker 2: And Roberts and Henskins have since that denied that they
Speaker 2: were trying to undermine their leader, Mark Speakman's leadership. Michael
Speaker 2: is a former party president yourself, you must be looking
Speaker 2: at the Liberal Party in New South Wales in utter dismay.
Speaker 14: Well, obviously this was a complete stuff up and everyone
Speaker 14: knows that. Unfortunately it happens in politics. I mean, this
Speaker 14: was unforgivable. Obviously we all know that. That's just starting
Speaker 14: the obvious. But you know, the New South Wales division
Speaker 14: electorally have not had such a bad record over the years.
Speaker 14: They certainly been in government in the state a lot
Speaker 14: more than we have, and they won more seats than
Speaker 14: we have and most of the country, I might add,
Speaker 14: So whilst the organization's got some issues, you know, electorally,
Speaker 14: of their performance hasn't been all that bad. I might
Speaker 14: add though, that I saw this guy, George Newhouse, I
Speaker 14: think it is who's drumming up, drumming up support for
Speaker 14: a class section. Well, is he the same Blake who
Speaker 14: was the Labor candidate.
Speaker 1: For Yes, yes, yes it is.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. So the Blake.
Speaker 14: So any Liberal counselor who hasn't had their nomination put
Speaker 14: in and who's quite rightly extremely aggrieved and angry about
Speaker 14: what happened, please don't fall for the bit of falling
Speaker 14: into this Blake's trap of him being a great community servant.
Speaker 14: I mean, he's a Labor Party operative and no one
Speaker 14: should give him any any work whatsoever on this issue
Speaker 14: for goodness sake.
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott of Courses us All weighed in. He says
Speaker 2: that the Liberal Party president Don Harwin's position is untenable.
Speaker 2: Rich O, do you think he has to go? Do
Speaker 2: you think potentially Mark Speakman also needs to accept some responsibility,
Speaker 2: seeing as he was warned that this was happening, that
Speaker 2: there was chaos in this process.
Speaker 15: Well, I think the president's got to go. I don't
Speaker 15: see any way that he can possibly survive. He and
Speaker 15: Richard Schiels, I think are finished, and i'd hope that
Speaker 15: they would see to it pretty quickly. Just go, because
Speaker 15: I don't think when the whole world knows you've up mightily,
Speaker 15: there's not much point and continuing on stubbornly pretending that
Speaker 15: it's all okay, because it's not and it's not going
Speaker 15: to be okay. So you know, they've got their share
Speaker 15: of difficulties, and I'm delighted to see it.
Speaker 2: Frankly, Now, the reason this matters, the reason this matters
Speaker 2: is so that counsels aren't overtaken by Greens and other
Speaker 2: radical counselors. And just to prove this point, have a
Speaker 2: look at this social media video from a Palestinian activist.
Speaker 1: His name is hush Taya.
Speaker 2: Some of you will know who he is, and he
Speaker 2: wants to run for Merrybick Council.
Speaker 17: Have a look when I announced that I'll be nominating
Speaker 17: to run as a counsel of Marybick, so many Zionists,
Speaker 17: their sympathizers and bigots wrote comments.
Speaker 5: Like running for councils about waste management, running for councils
Speaker 5: about filling potholes.
Speaker 17: I do care about all that.
Speaker 18: It's always important to take the Ribish out.
Speaker 2: And it goes on and on with content that's equally
Speaker 2: as offensive as that. The Herald Sun reports that he
Speaker 2: plans to run as an independent Michael. This is why
Speaker 2: the council issue matters, so that voters do have the
Speaker 2: option to vote for the Liberal Party, that they aren't
Speaker 2: left with a council that's run by radicals and the.
Speaker 14: Greens and people like him, who, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 14: isn't he the same blake that was involved in a
Speaker 14: number of anti Jewish demonstrations around Corfield one particular night,
Speaker 14: he was involved in one implying implying that Jewish people
Speaker 14: might have been involved in burning down his Hamburger.
Speaker 1: Jeweys the exactly and of course that wasn't it. It
Speaker 1: is the same guy. It wasn't the case at.
Speaker 14: All, as police the Jews, it wasn't the Jews up,
Speaker 14: it wasn't the Jewish. What a shock, what a surprise.
Speaker 14: So of course these council. These council elections matter, but
Speaker 14: we have people like this putting his head up and
Speaker 14: let's type the good people of that council area reject
Speaker 14: him because he doesn't even live in the area, although.
Speaker 1: He says his business is in the area.
Speaker 2: Day two of the Democratic National Convention, we saw Barack
Speaker 2: Obama speak he backed in Kamala Harris while slamming Donald Trump.
Speaker 18: Have a look, here's a seventy eight year old billionaire
Speaker 18: who has not stopped whining about his problems since he
Speaker 18: wrote down his Golden Escalator nine years ago.
Speaker 17: It has been a constant stream of gripes and grievances
Speaker 17: that's actually been getting worse now that he's afraid of
Speaker 17: losing the common There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories,
Speaker 17: this weird obsession with crowd sizes.
Speaker 2: I mean, the convention was as much about Trump as
Speaker 2: anything else, Richo, not many policies to speak of. And
Speaker 2: on the Obamas, I got the sense that they had
Speaker 2: hoped Michelle might run this time, but now, of course
Speaker 2: they've thrown their full support behind Kamala.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 15: I think a lot of us, me certainly, would love
Speaker 15: to have seen her run I think she's a spectacularly
Speaker 15: good polly. Even though she's not in politics full time,
Speaker 15: she certainly knows how to make a speech that's very,
Speaker 15: very political, and so I think she would have been
Speaker 15: a tremendous candidate that having me said, I'm a fan
Speaker 15: of Harris's. I think she's doing well. I think she'll
Speaker 15: beat Trump, and I think she'll beat Trump comfortably, and
Speaker 15: I think that'll there silence a lot of people who
Speaker 15: have really i think, gone out after in a way
Speaker 15: that I've found quite distasteful.
Speaker 2: Well, I think in American politics, nothing's left on the table.
Speaker 2: People are going after Kamala just as in just as
Speaker 2: strong a way as they are going after Trump. But Michael,
Speaker 2: there is an issue that you know, there are concerns
Speaker 2: about the substance and the policies behind Kamala Harris. What
Speaker 2: is she s DOWND for, what is her policy platform?
Speaker 2: Of course none of this has been developed because she
Speaker 2: came to the candidacy so late in the peace.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's interesting watching that convention today. I think that
Speaker 14: audience are just in shock, But I don't think they
Speaker 14: can believe that Kamala Harris has been competitive and in
Speaker 14: many polls in front of Donald Trump. I think they
Speaker 14: all know she's pretty ordinary. She's been a hopeless vice president.
Speaker 14: She's trying to airbrush Biden out of history, so as
Speaker 14: she wasn't there for the last three years. I just
Speaker 14: think they're totally stunned that the American public have fallen
Speaker 14: for this sort of three card trick of you know,
Speaker 14: it's great, isn't she laughing and smiling? It's a new era,
Speaker 14: et cetera, et cetera. I think Trump's support is very
Speaker 14: deep seated. There are hard Trump voters. I think a
Speaker 14: lot of her support is very skin deep. And while
Speaker 14: she's in front at the minute, there's the possibility that
Speaker 14: her campaign will collapse. And what we've seen so far
Speaker 14: is CNN, the New York Times and MSNBC protect her
Speaker 14: from this, not giving any interviews. Can you imagine a
Speaker 14: leader here not giving an interview for months. I mean,
Speaker 14: you wouldn't get away with it in Australia, they've protected her.
Speaker 14: But even thoughy now are going to have to come
Speaker 14: to the realization that she's going to have to give interviews,
Speaker 14: you're going to have to debate Trump, and once she's
Speaker 14: out there having to answer questions. I think she's in
Speaker 14: a world of trouble because we've all seen her answer
Speaker 14: questions in the past and it ain't pretty and it
Speaker 14: ain't deep.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, and it's also going to be fascinating
Speaker 2: what happens with RFK Junior. I'm going to come back
Speaker 2: to that a bit later in the show with the
Speaker 2: New York Post reporter. All Right, Michael Kroger, grah and Richardson.
Speaker 2: Great to see you as always on a Wednesday.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 2: Environment Minister Tanya Plibasak has sparked outrage this week after
Speaker 2: her decision to block a billion dollar gold mine. This
Speaker 2: eleventh hour move shocked everyone involved. It was done on
Speaker 2: indigenous heritage grounds despite both state and federal departments giving
Speaker 2: it the green light. Plibisk has defended her decision.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 19: Crucially, I have I'm a good a Section ten declaration
Speaker 19: and sixteen percent of the toll project fopprint and that
Speaker 19: sixteen percent is on the headwaters.
Speaker 12: And the screens of the Bilbo Loba Bar.
Speaker 2: But Shadow Indigenous Australians Minister jess Enter Price has slammed
Speaker 2: the move.
Speaker 20: It's utterly disgraceful that Minister Plibisk has determined to ensure
Speaker 20: that eight hundred and seventy jobs do not go ahead,
Speaker 20: that Indigenous Australians from the Orange Area will miss out
Speaker 20: on economic development within their region. We know that the
Speaker 20: Orange Land Council, who are the legal authority to speak
Speaker 20: on this particular issue on issues of development within their region,
Speaker 20: had voiced no concern with this project going ahead now.
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison's former Press secretary Andrew Carswell wrote in The
Speaker 2: Nightly that Plebersac is emerging as the single biggest threat
Speaker 2: to the Albanese government's tenuous hold on majority rule. He
Speaker 2: says the wrecking ball that albaneze never expected nor countenanced.
Speaker 2: And Andrew Carswell, our regular guest on the show. He
Speaker 2: joins me, now, Andrew, good to see you again. Look,
Speaker 2: we'll get to the specifics of this gold mine in
Speaker 2: a minute, but I just want to start with the
Speaker 2: politics of all of this, because clearly Albanezey wanted to
Speaker 2: sideline plebisc He views her as a rival threat to
Speaker 2: his leadership. He didn't want her to pose a threat,
Speaker 2: and yet how is she now emerging as a problem
Speaker 2: for him politically.
Speaker 21: Tania Pliti Seca was effectively banished to Siberia after the
Speaker 21: twenty twenty two election. She was the key rival in
Speaker 21: New South Wales on the left. She did support Bill
Speaker 21: Shorten against Albanesi in an earlier leadership spill. She was
Speaker 21: someone that Alberanzi did not want anywhere near his leadership
Speaker 21: or the key leaders within cabinets, so she was banished
Speaker 21: to the outer ring of the government. She was saddled
Speaker 21: with an environment policy which usually is an innocuous policy,
Speaker 21: but suddenly it's not so innocuous, and suddenly we are
Speaker 21: seeing environment policy front and center in the national debate,
Speaker 21: and it's a feisty debate, and Tanya is in front
Speaker 21: and center in that. And the government wants to talk
Speaker 21: about cost of living, they want to talk about the economy,
Speaker 21: but they're instead talking about environment laws and changes to
Speaker 21: the environment laws, particularly around approvals called nature positive. That
Speaker 21: is hogging the spotlight from what the government wants to
Speaker 21: talk about.
Speaker 2: And you've seen this close up because you are a
Speaker 2: lobbyist representing some of these groups that have come up
Speaker 2: against Tanya Plibisek, you know, with huge fights over policy.
Speaker 1: I want to look at the detail of this gold mine.
Speaker 2: So a leading indigenous group in Orange had said there
Speaker 2: were no issues at all. But then another rival group
Speaker 2: and it's been described in media outlets as a green radical,
Speaker 2: has expressed concerns. It appears that Plibisek has sided with.
Speaker 21: Them yes and put out on Friday and night just
Speaker 21: before the TV newsers. So it just escapes into the ether.
Speaker 21: But what a decision this was. I mean, what it's
Speaker 21: effectively called in indigenous circles is mob shopping. It's where
Speaker 21: governments look for the one splinter group of indigenous leaders
Speaker 21: to get a decision out of and ignore the others. Now,
Speaker 21: the Orange Aboriginal Land Council, who govern this area, are
Speaker 21: very happy with this project. It would deliver six hundred
Speaker 21: and seventy jobs, it would deliver a huge amount of
Speaker 21: investment into the local community. They're happy with the project.
Speaker 21: It went through the Department of Environment, it ticked all
Speaker 21: the boxes, and then suddenly we get this last minute
Speaker 21: decision from a minister based on the whisperings, the whisperings
Speaker 21: of one or two indigenous leaders that said there may
Speaker 21: have been some secret thing that happened at this site,
Speaker 21: but we don't know what the details are because it
Speaker 21: is a secret and the minister herself said, you can't
Speaker 21: reveal those details because it is too sensitive.
Speaker 2: What message does this stand about investment in Australia when
Speaker 2: you can't trust a minister or a government's approval process,
Speaker 2: when it appears to be so unreliable.
Speaker 21: Well, this is why the Minister herself is emerging as
Speaker 21: a threat to the Abanezi government's ten years hold on
Speaker 21: majority rule, because it will extract its whole politically, particularly
Speaker 21: in Wa. I mean, this project's a long way from Wa.
Speaker 21: But if there's one state that knows the connection between
Speaker 21: the mining community and economic outcomes for their state, it
Speaker 21: is Wa. It is Queensland, it is Tasmania, where projects
Speaker 21: are so intrinsically linked to the economy. So when things
Speaker 21: like this happen, people get nervous. Proprietors of projects get nervous.
Speaker 21: The bar goes up in terms of what they need
Speaker 21: to leap over to get projects off the ground, and
Speaker 21: investment doesn't come into the country to see those projects
Speaker 21: get off the ground.
Speaker 2: All right, Andrew Carswell, good to see you again.
Speaker 1: Thank you Now still to come on the show.
Speaker 2: Albanezy slammed over an off color joke at a private
Speaker 2: dinner last night.
Speaker 3: Not the live expert. We've made sure it.
Speaker 1: Was dead and that was about the meal that was eaten.
Speaker 2: Plus James Patterson, it's the pressure on labor for failing
Speaker 2: to get Asio involved in guards and visas. And he'll
Speaker 2: join me after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, the Prime Minister has finally today admitted that a
Speaker 2: number of the three thousand visitor visas granted to Palestinians
Speaker 2: in the wake of the October seven attacks have been canceled,
Speaker 2: but he continues to defend his process. I spoke with
Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson about this a little earlier.
Speaker 2: James Patterson, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1: Great to be with you now.
Speaker 2: Police in New South Wales have expressed concern about the
Speaker 2: inadequacy of the visa process and the security vetting. They're
Speaker 2: concerned that it could be risking community safety. Law enforcement
Speaker 2: in New South Wales also say they're frustrated because they
Speaker 2: haven't even been consulted by the Albanese government. What do
Speaker 2: you make of these concerns from senior police.
Speaker 4: So this is a hugely significant story. It's effectively a
Speaker 4: vote of no confidence by New South Wales police in
Speaker 4: the Albanesi government's handling of immigration, national security and community safety,
Speaker 4: and no wonder because it's police who are on the
Speaker 4: front line who have to deal with the consequences of
Speaker 4: a rushed and inadequate vetting process that the Albanezi government
Speaker 4: has put in place since the seventh of October in
Speaker 4: handing out almost three thousand tourist visas to people leaving Gaza,
Speaker 4: an average time of just twenty four hours, and some
Speaker 4: instances as quickly as one hour, Far faster and in
Speaker 4: far greater numbers than any of our like minded allies
Speaker 4: around the world. So I am not surprised that police
Speaker 4: are alarmed, but it is very concerning.
Speaker 2: Home Affairs has admitted to me that almost all of
Speaker 2: the applicants did apply through an online electronic process. How
Speaker 2: far I do you think these checks can be when
Speaker 2: they're being approved in as little as one hour.
Speaker 4: It's not possible to do an identity verification loan, a
Speaker 4: security check on someone leaving a war zone control by
Speaker 4: a terrorist organization in as quickly as an hour or
Speaker 4: even twenty four hours. And it is very illustrative that
Speaker 4: every single one of our Five Eyes partners, that all
Speaker 4: of our democratic allies and friends around the world have
Speaker 4: adopted a very different approach. Even Canada, which says they
Speaker 4: ultimately hope to resettle up to five thousand people, has
Speaker 4: only taken in a fraction of that a tenth of
Speaker 4: what Australia has in the six months since the seventh
Speaker 4: of October. Because they are taking the time to get
Speaker 4: it right, and they are granting them refugee in humanitarian visas,
Speaker 4: which have higher levels of security screening, not tourist visas.
Speaker 4: The Abaneza government has taken a globally unique approach to
Speaker 4: this issue. It's a very brave thing to do, and
Speaker 4: I fear there'll be consequences for our national security.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Look, the Prime Minister keep saying in Parliament every day
Speaker 2: that he trusts the intelligence agencies, he has faith in
Speaker 2: them to get the process right. But James, hasn't it
Speaker 2: become clear that actually Azio is and vetting every single visa.
Speaker 4: I trust our intelligence agencies too. The person I don't
Speaker 4: trust is our Prime Minister, and his performance in question
Speaker 4: time last week and this week on these issues has
Speaker 4: only deepened my mistrust in him because he's failed to
Speaker 4: be upfront, he's failed to be honest. He's failed to
Speaker 4: answer basic factual questions and he's deliberately obfuscating when it
Speaker 4: comes to questions like how many cases are being referred
Speaker 4: to ASIO or not. Mike Burgess has already answered this question.
Speaker 4: It is settled. We know not every case is being
Speaker 4: referred to ASIO, and the Prime Minister won't acknowledge that.
Speaker 4: But he's very careful with his language to make sure
Speaker 4: that he's not accused of misleading the House this week,
Speaker 4: as he was caught out doing last week.
Speaker 2: There's this extraordinary situation where apparently it's okay to have
Speaker 2: people come to Australia and live here, become citizens who
Speaker 2: have rhetorical support for a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is problematic?
Speaker 2: And it's just at its very fundamental level, How would
Speaker 2: this change the fabric of Australian society.
Speaker 4: It's hugely problematic, Shari Frankly, I think we have enough
Speaker 4: problems in our country already when it comes to record
Speaker 4: levels of anti Semitism, when it comes to extraordinary strains
Speaker 4: on social cohesion, before we go adding to those problems
Speaker 4: by bringing in people who will exacerbate them because of
Speaker 4: the views and the values that they have I mean,
Speaker 4: if we were really traveled as a country by the
Speaker 4: scenes that we saw at the Sydney Opera House on
Speaker 4: the ninth of October, or the rally in Western Sydney
Speaker 4: on the eighth of October that celebrated the worst massacre
Speaker 4: of Jews since the Holocaust, then we wouldn't be bringing
Speaker 4: in people who also shared those views and in fact
Speaker 4: may have even more extreme views and stronger support for Hamas.
Speaker 4: That seems like an entirely counterproductive thing to do if
Speaker 4: you're genuinely concerned about social cohesion, as the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: claims to be. What we should be doing is having
Speaker 4: a high standard for who we bring to this country.
Speaker 4: We're a very attractive country. There are millions of people
Speaker 4: around the world who'd like to come, and we're entitled
Speaker 4: to say that we want the best of the world
Speaker 4: coming to Australia, not people who support listed terrorist organizations
Speaker 4: and their atrocities.
Speaker 2: What do you think it says about the visa process
Speaker 2: that twenty three Australian visas were issued to Palestinians that
Speaker 2: were then counseled while the people were en route to Australia.
Speaker 2: They were already on their journey here.
Speaker 4: Well, this blows apart the Prime Minister and Tony Burk's
Speaker 4: defense of the government that all adequate security checks took
Speaker 4: place before visas were granted. By definition, if you granted
Speaker 4: visa and then subsequently cancel it, not all adequate checks
Speaker 4: were done in the first place. And it sounds like
Speaker 4: from media reporting that in some instances it was just
Speaker 4: a matter of hours or even minutes that these visas
Speaker 4: were canceled before people got on planes. Now, while that's important,
Speaker 4: is had they been out to get on those planes,
Speaker 4: had they come into our country. They are very difficult
Speaker 4: to deal with once they're here because they have access
Speaker 4: to our legal system and can tie it up in
Speaker 4: knots for years. So if they did pose a risk,
Speaker 4: we would be stuck with them until the legal system
Speaker 4: resolved their status. That is the risk that this government
Speaker 4: has exposed us to by not doing this properly, as
Speaker 4: we did with the Syrian and Afghan intakes, of taking
Speaker 4: people to third countries, having face to face interviews, conducting
Speaker 4: biometric screening, they're the kind of things that you need
Speaker 4: to do if you want to make sure you're not
Speaker 4: bringing in a risk to our country.
Speaker 2: Look, these Palestinians coming from Gaza have been brought in
Speaker 2: on visitor visas, so this is intended for people who
Speaker 2: might be visiting family members in Australia. It doesn't include
Speaker 2: Medicare or other taxpayer funded support, so they come here
Speaker 2: and visit a visas, but then quickly we know about
Speaker 2: four hundred and then quickly have been transferred to bridging
Speaker 2: visas so they can access taxpayer funded support. Are you
Speaker 2: concerned that this initial use of visitor visas is in
Speaker 2: fact fraudulent.
Speaker 4: It was totally improper for the government to grant tourist
Speaker 4: visas for people who the Minister for Home Affairs has
Speaker 4: publicly admitted have no prospect of returning to Gaza anytime soon.
Speaker 4: They should have been a says for refugee visas and
Speaker 4: if they met the threshold and passed the test then
Speaker 4: they could be welcomed in Australia. But if they don't,
Speaker 4: then they shouldn't and that hasn't happened here. And the
Speaker 4: problem is it's ultimately Australians who will pay the price
Speaker 4: of this. We've calculated that if all three thousand are
Speaker 4: converted to permanent visas or refugee visas, in this country
Speaker 4: after having first been granted tourist fizs that over four years,
Speaker 4: that will cost the Australian tax path three hundred million dollars. Frankly,
Speaker 4: I think in the middle of a cost of living crisis,
Speaker 4: the appetite of the Australian public to pay that level
Speaker 4: of support to people who came here improperly on tourist
Speaker 4: vizs is going to be very low.
Speaker 2: All right, this is a very serious issue. You've been
Speaker 2: at the forefront of raising these questions, James Patterson.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sherry.
Speaker 2: And after the break, growing calls for The New York
Speaker 2: Times to sack a journalist who leaked a list containing
Speaker 2: the private details of hundreds of Australians.
Speaker 1: The legal action is heating up.
Speaker 2: Plus Albinizi gets farmers off site after an off color
Speaker 2: joke at a private dinner. We'll play you the full
Speaker 2: recording next Welcome Back with the Prime Minister has been
Speaker 2: criticized for a tone deaf joke about killing off the
Speaker 2: live export trade at a black tie dinner last night.
Speaker 11: Here he was when we had dinner, beautiful Australian beef,
Speaker 11: not the live export.
Speaker 3: We've made sure it was dead.
Speaker 2: And that was said in front of a room full
Speaker 2: of farmers. At least one tweeted to criticize him. Let's
Speaker 2: bring in tonight's political panel, National Senate Leader Bridget Mackenzie
Speaker 2: and Labor MP Josh Burns Bridget. According to The Nightly,
Speaker 2: which has run this audio, farmers were offended by this
Speaker 2: joke because it's a soul point in a major way
Speaker 2: that the live sheep trade has been killed off by
Speaker 2: the Albanese government. What did you make of his failed
Speaker 2: joke there?
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, Shari I was in the room at the time.
Speaker 8: There are over six hundred rural and regional Australians there
Speaker 8: to celebrate women in agriculture and our leaders. And for
Speaker 8: the PM to give such a tone death response about
Speaker 8: the live cattle trade I thought was appalling, particularly in
Speaker 8: the light of when he made that comment, he was
Speaker 8: talking about his dinner he'd just had previously with the
Speaker 8: Indonesian incoming leader. And when you remember the last time
Speaker 8: Labor was in government, they shut down a live cattle
Speaker 8: trade and shut off protein to our nearest neighbor Indonesia,
Speaker 8: which caused quite the crisis. And we're still mopping up
Speaker 8: from at an economic and a social level. This government
Speaker 8: has cut the live sheep trade in WA, which is
Speaker 8: an appalling decision and he's having repercussions right throughout Western Australia.
Speaker 8: Not just primary producers, but our truckees and the sub
Speaker 8: herbs of Perth are appalled by this behavior and for
Speaker 8: him to joke about it, says this Prime Minister thought
Speaker 8: he was speaking and had to apologize about live export
Speaker 8: as if he were speaking to Marrickville vegans instead of
Speaker 8: a group of people packed into a parliament House who
Speaker 8: are very proud of our red meat trade, including our
Speaker 8: live export trade.
Speaker 2: Josh Burns, do you think it's understandable that farmers are
Speaker 2: annoyed by this.
Speaker 22: Well, good evening, Shari and good evening bridget I don't
Speaker 22: think the Prime minist and meant any offense by his comments.
Speaker 22: I would say a couple of things. One is that no,
Speaker 22: obviously we support Australian agriculture and Australian businesses, but at
Speaker 22: the last election we made it clear that we were
Speaker 22: going to end the live sheep export. There were industry
Speaker 22: was already shrinking dramatically, and that they were given plenty
Speaker 22: of opportunities to clean up their act. There was too
Speaker 22: many instances where they did that, Josh our Bridge, I
Speaker 22: promise you, I won't interrupt you, but let me finish
Speaker 22: my sentence. And so there were plenty of chances for
Speaker 22: the live sheep industry to clean up their act, but
Speaker 22: there just wasn't a safe way of taking these sheep
Speaker 22: across to the Middle East and the soaring heat, I mean,
Speaker 22: it was torturing these things. So we said what we
Speaker 22: were going to do, and we did exactly that. We've
Speaker 22: put the legislative date to twenty twenty eight. We've created
Speaker 22: a package of transition for industry. I know it's hard
Speaker 22: for a lot of people, and I don't celebrate that.
Speaker 22: I mean, I know it's a difficult decision and that's
Speaker 22: what government is sometimes, but we said we were going
Speaker 22: to do it, and we did it.
Speaker 2: Bridget Do you think if the coalition won the next election,
Speaker 2: you might overturn that ban.
Speaker 8: Oh? Absolutely, We've already made that commitment. If we had
Speaker 8: the great honor and privilege of being in government again,
Speaker 8: we will be overturning that ban.
Speaker 14: But what Josh.
Speaker 8: Completely misses the point here. The reality is the Prime
Speaker 8: Minister was talking about Australian beef when he joked about
Speaker 8: the issues with live export, as if there was something
Speaker 8: to be ashamed of that it was okay to eat
Speaker 8: avatar beef but not live export beef. And that is
Speaker 8: the appalling decision. Everyone is appalled by the keep the
Speaker 8: sheep the sheep ban, But the fear is that the
Speaker 8: Labor Party has the same view about our cattle trade,
Speaker 8: and our cattle trade keeps our nearest neighbor, Indonesia in clean, green,
Speaker 8: aussy beef and protein, which which is exactly what they need.
Speaker 2: And there have been reports that activists the thin edge
Speaker 2: of the wedge. There have been reports that activists might
Speaker 2: start to target beef expots next. Josh, I just want
Speaker 2: to ask you about the CFMEU reports this week that
Speaker 2: it's threatened a new Jewish community have been Sydney on
Speaker 2: behalf of a major construction company. It's threatened to bring
Speaker 2: protesters to the Hakawa Club in Sydney. What do you
Speaker 2: think of this threat from the CFMEU and does this
Speaker 2: show that they're an aggressive union.
Speaker 22: It's absolutely appalling, Shari and there's no place for it.
Speaker 22: I mean, it's trying to intimidate really a hub that
Speaker 22: celebrates Jewish life in Sydney and in Australia. The Hakoa
Speaker 22: Club is not an outpost of the Israeli government. It's
Speaker 22: a Jewish community institution here in Australia and for the
Speaker 22: CFMU to try and intimidate them over a dispute over
Speaker 22: building contracts is absolutely unacceptable. It's intimidatory and I called
Speaker 22: it out at the time and I repeat it now tonight.
Speaker 22: There is no place for that sort of sort of
Speaker 22: mixing of the Middle East conflict with targeting of Australian communities.
Speaker 22: And you know, there is a very clear word for
Speaker 22: that shari and that is anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially on a construction site. Bridget final word on
Speaker 2: the CFMEU here.
Speaker 8: Well, it's great to say the Labor Party calling out
Speaker 8: the anti semitism of the CFMU. I wish they do
Speaker 8: it for the university students. I wish they'd do it
Speaker 8: in Western Sydney suburbs where we're seeing this type of behavior,
Speaker 8: you know, targeting and attacking Australian Jewish community, and they
Speaker 8: need to do more of it instead of just saving
Speaker 8: it for the CFMU.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. I'm sorry both of you that we're
Speaker 2: out of time tonight.
Speaker 8: Book.
Speaker 2: Great to see you, Bridget Mackenzie, Josh Burns, thank you
Speaker 2: so much. Now, after the break, we're going to have
Speaker 2: a look at the news that six hostages have been
Speaker 2: recovered from Gaza, plus the news that RFK Junior might
Speaker 2: be dropping out of the race and siding with Trump,
Speaker 2: and how Kamala Harris has split the coalition behind her.
Speaker 1: New York Post reporter would join me next.
Speaker 21: Well.
Speaker 2: RFK Junior is said to be considering dropping out of
Speaker 2: the presidential race and even throwing his support behind Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: There are reports that his campaign may have run out
Speaker 2: of money. Columnist for the New York Post, David Kaufman
Speaker 2: joins me.
Speaker 1: Now, good to see you, David.
Speaker 2: Look, RFK has been accused of splitting the Democrat vote,
Speaker 2: so if he dropped out, there's the possibility some Democrats
Speaker 2: would return to Kamala, But then, of course he could
Speaker 2: also bolst the Trump support.
Speaker 1: How do you think this would play out.
Speaker 12: Well in the wake of the Democratic National Convention which
Speaker 12: is going on right now, and the way in which
Speaker 12: Kamala Harris has really stolen the wind out of Donald
Speaker 12: Trump's sale. A former President Trump really needs a win
Speaker 12: right now. He needs to make some news, He needs
Speaker 12: to get back into the action and the endorsement by RFK. However,
Speaker 12: that really kind of pans out in the end, I
Speaker 12: think would be a big, big, go, very long way
Speaker 12: towards making that happen, to giving him a return to
Speaker 12: the news cycle and helping him ensure that he maintains
Speaker 12: his visibility and momentum right now at a moment where
Speaker 12: Kamala has really dominated everything right.
Speaker 2: Now, Well, let's turn to Chicago. Day two of the
Speaker 2: Democratic National Convention has wrapped up. You've written a column
Speaker 2: that the coalition behind Kamala could be about to split.
Speaker 1: Explain this.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so I wrote a piece in the Telegraph yesterday
Speaker 12: focusing on news that came out of you know, TikTok
Speaker 12: and social media last week that black groups and h
Speaker 12: pro palaciting and black groups had begun to show conflict
Speaker 12: and friction with Arab pro Palaestine Arab groups, Which is,
Speaker 12: there's been this long time, very vocal connection and affinity
Speaker 12: between Black groups supporting the Palastinian cause and Arab groups
Speaker 12: who have really depended upon them to booy their their
Speaker 12: their their their their prominence there's been now this conflict
Speaker 12: brooming because many of these black UH influencers and TikTokers
Speaker 12: who've been supporting the Palician cause are now under pressure
Speaker 12: by these Arab groups, these these Arab influencers to denounce Kamala,
Speaker 12: to commit not voting for Kamala, to saying that they're
Speaker 12: going to UH not support her because she is perceived
Speaker 12: as supporting the genocide, supporting supporting the Palatinian cause. Even
Speaker 12: though she has called for a cease buyer, she has
Speaker 12: not called for an arms And so these Arab American
Speaker 12: tiktoker's influencers are basically demanding their African American counterparts, who've
Speaker 12: been supportive and in solidarity with them since October seventh,
Speaker 12: not to vote for Kamala Harris because she is not
Speaker 12: one hundred percent on their side or on the right
Speaker 12: side when it comes to the Palestinian issue. Naturally, for
Speaker 12: these Americans, especially women, you know, Kamala Harris's candidacy is
Speaker 12: a historic moment. They very much intend to vote for her,
Speaker 12: and they're questioning why can't they support Kamala Harris and
Speaker 12: support Palestinians in Gazo. Why must it be either or all?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I just want to end with this heartbreaking news overnight
Speaker 2: that the bodies of six is Raeti hostages were recovered
Speaker 2: from Hamas tunnels during an Israeli operation. David, what do
Speaker 2: we know about this operation and the hostages who were
Speaker 2: killed by Hamas?
Speaker 12: Yeah, so it's actually a personal connection. I went to
Speaker 12: one of the keyboard scene a couple months ago and
Speaker 12: was given a tour by the Metsican family. The son
Speaker 12: who's now their father, has been identified and his body
Speaker 12: has been brought back, So you know, there was an
Speaker 12: operation in Communists to bring back these these bodies. They
Speaker 12: were being held in tunnels as have as are most
Speaker 12: assumed the hostages who are still unaccounted for, six of
Speaker 12: them have died, and it's just another sort of a
Speaker 12: nail in the hearts of Israel right now, more bad news.
Speaker 12: It also shows the commitment to which the IDF maintains
Speaker 12: to rescuing and retrieving as many Israelis as possible, whether
Speaker 12: they're dead or alive. As for Israelis, as much as
Speaker 12: it's extremely important right now that they bring home to
Speaker 12: live life hostages, returning the bodies for a proper Jewish
Speaker 12: burial is paramount to have enclosure for these families, many
Speaker 12: of which including the met family. Not only were was
Speaker 12: this father kidnapped, but the mother was kidnapped as well.
Speaker 2: As she was all right, David will have to leave it.
Speaker 2: They really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and everyone at home. I see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow at eight o'clock. But up now, poor Murray