1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Summer series. I'm Michael Thompson, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: and good morning, Sean Aylmer. Morning Michael, and good morning 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: to you. Adam Lang. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Good morning Michael. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: Today we are looking back at of twenty twenty five 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: the best local corporate stories and there are a few 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: to choose from, and I have chosen the biggest, the 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: biggest company specifically at the demise in the share price 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: of Commonwealth Bank and also the demise and the share 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: price of CSL. There's a vastly different reasons for these 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: two companies Commonwealth Bank, so I'm just jumping straight into 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: this today. I've started up going first. Comwealth Bank has 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: been a victim of its own success. Really, it's been 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: trading at a hefty premium to the other bank's price 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: for perfection. For much of this year, it's been the 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: most expensive bank in the world. I think that's a 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: stat that we've referred to many, many times. It means 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: even solid numbers on home lending and deposits and margins 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: haven't been enough to keep the share at those levels. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: Analysts have been calling this out for a long time, 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: saying CBA is so so expensive and we're predicting it 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: to dip, and at last they were right. CSL's weakness 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: more fundamental bit of trouble, A lot of trouble in 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: the US, in particular with kind of things like higher 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: plasma collection costs and a lot of ongoing margin pressure, 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: Slower than hope to recovery across certain parts of the business. 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: There were some guidance downgrades. Investors' confidence was shaken significantly. 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: But these are two of the biggest companies on the ASX. 29 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Commonwealth Bank is the biggest, and CSL held that mantle 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: about five years ago. This has been an extraordinary year 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: for these two behemoths. I just think it's a It 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: is quite a remarkable local corporate story. 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: Sure, I agree, I agree. My offering for this category 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: is corporate governance again Wise Tech Global Richard White, he 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: was supposed to be moved on while he became executive 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: chair earlier in the year of that company. He founded 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: the company, of course, and all corporate governments seemed to 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: have gone out the window on that one. Mineral Resources 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: Chris Ellison, he's supposed to be stepping down in April. Well, 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: that's not going to happen now they've changed their minds 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: on that am Z issued a record fat was issued 42 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: a record fine after admitting to multiple forms of misconduct 43 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: around bond trading. Been a bit of a hurry year 44 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: for a z ed. When it comes to corporate governance, 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 3: there was a collapse of Shield and Guardian master trusts 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,279 Speaker 3: that put platforms under pressure. There's a bunch of those platforms, 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 3: one called Diversa, for example, is being sued by ASSEK. 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: At the moment, Mcquarie has a platform. It ended up 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: paying out investors more than three hundred million dollars and 50 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: took a much closer look at who was on its platform. 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Big issue there. Mcquarie's also under the gun relegations of 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: misreporting of short selling trades ax Its performance is under scrutiny, 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: with the Reserve Bank and ase the corporate regulator now 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: undertaking inquiries into it. The ASEX just can't seem to 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: put a foot right. At the moment, there was a 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: bunch of greenwashing fines against super funds. You would think 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: that corporate Australia by now would understand that really you've 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: got to do the right thing. Well apparently not. Unfortunately. 59 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: Once again, the big local corporate story for mine for 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five corporate governance. 61 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's quite the shopping list. That's extraordinary. 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both awesome, So let me propose one more. 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 2: While banks and healthcare wobbled, Australian mining surged back into 64 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: focus in twenty twenty five, lead by the big three miners, 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: Gold and Critical Minerals. Gold was obviously the headline act, 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: with prices smashing through US forty two hundred ounce, driving 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: record profits and renewed investment into local producers. Northern Star Evolution, Newmont, 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: Genesis Persius dominated the performance tables and powered gold to 69 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: become the best performing sector on the ASX. Iron Ore 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: proved very resilient, perhaps more than COF this year, with BHP, 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: Rio Tinto and ford es Q maintaining very strong cash 72 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: flows despite softer Chinese demand. Critical minerals have moved from 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: niche to national priority with Pilgrim Minerals Alcome Linetown Resources Linus, 74 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: where it's drawn into global supply chain politics, government backed projects, 75 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: defense side supply chains demanded local inputs, and capital followed 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: security of supply over short term price cycles. In a 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: year of anxiety around capital allocation, Mining's big three, Gold 78 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: and Critical minerals all reminded investors why Australia remains a 79 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: resource of superpower with real geopolitical leverage the lucky country. 80 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh, Sean, I think you are best placed to decide 81 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: this one as a as a business journalist of many, 82 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: many decades that you have just put you watched closely 83 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: for the big local corporate store. Sorry, so what was it? 84 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: Which one was the I think the biggest has to 85 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: be the rise of mining companies. Really, I mean they're back, Adam, 86 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: is your last comment about you know why Australia remains 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: a resource of superpower with real JEO political leverage. So true. 88 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: But then number two I think has to be CBO 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: and at CSL simply be there is the big, big companies, 90 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: so many shareholders out there. So gold to Adam ondas 91 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: silver to Michael on CBAZL and a very meritorious bronze 92 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: something on corporate governance. But there's so much corporate governance. 93 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: It's again and again and again, so we're all going 94 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: to a bit tired of. It's a bit like Donald Trump, 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: isn't it. 96 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: But it's awesome. 97 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Sean, Thanks Michael, Thanks Adam, Thank. 98 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: You Adam Thank you Michael, Thank you Sean. 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: Don't forget to follow on the podcast. New episodes every 100 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: day during our summer series and regular shows are back 101 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: from January twelve. I'm Michael Thompson and this is Fear 102 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: and Great