Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Life. Thank you, Cherry,
Speaker 1: having a good weekend. Welcome to Thursday Night. Lots to
Speaker 1: get to this evening, but first something a little different.
Speaker 1: Now we'll get to the nuclear stuff and all that
Speaker 1: in a second, but of course I'll talk about cost
Speaker 1: of living a lot on the show, and you know
Speaker 1: why because it's the number one concern for people. It's
Speaker 1: a number one concern for people that are living right
Speaker 1: on the edge, and it feels like it just gets
Speaker 1: tough for each and every week. And in fact, as
Speaker 1: we've constantly shown you, we try to find different ways
Speaker 1: to tell you the story every now and then. But
Speaker 1: according to the financial monitor website Finder, seventy seven percent
Speaker 1: of Australians are living in some sort of financial stress
Speaker 1: at the moment. That puts it right into the extreme world.
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to focus on tonight is in
Speaker 1: fact what I just jumped over then, which is that
Speaker 1: Australians love giving to charity, but we can't give as
Speaker 1: much as we'd like because of what's happening in our
Speaker 1: own financial circumstances. And of course, right now, as we
Speaker 1: move towards the shortest day of the year, and certainly
Speaker 1: the cold of winter is fully upon us. And that's
Speaker 1: a good thing, of course, if your entire business is
Speaker 1: built around how cold things can be, like say the snowfields,
Speaker 1: where thankfully there's been some falls both in Yucipwhals and
Speaker 1: in Victoria, which is a nice stunt for those who
Speaker 1: like to go skiing, but more importantly the businesses that
Speaker 1: are affected. For everyone else, it's just rug up and
Speaker 1: you know the experience, regardless of whether you're getting a
Speaker 1: coffee in Melbourne or taking the dog for a walk
Speaker 1: or whatever's going on in your life. It's cold. For
Speaker 1: the people who live in the slightly more northern states,
Speaker 1: it's the opportunity to wear that one fancy jumper that
Speaker 1: you only wear a couple of times a year, but
Speaker 1: we're all wearing them right now. But there is a
Speaker 1: group of people that we have to think about during
Speaker 1: the coldest time of the year, and that is the
Speaker 1: people who have no roof over the head, those who
Speaker 1: live amongst us who have nowhere else to go. Now,
Speaker 1: the profile of the people that are homeless in Australia
Speaker 1: has changed since the government came to power and since
Speaker 1: cost of living became the burning issue. There are people
Speaker 1: who have jobs who are homeless. There are people who
Speaker 1: do their best to try to hold out of the
Speaker 1: rental market, but because there's so many other people going
Speaker 1: for increasingly expensive and increasingly rare properties for rent, they
Speaker 1: end up homeless. In fact, about one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two thousand people in Australia on any one night sleep rough.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest number that has ever been the case
Speaker 1: in Australia. We've had prime ministers come and go of
Speaker 1: all political stripes to say they're going to do something
Speaker 1: about it. Tonight, some of the wealthiest people in the country,
Speaker 1: the CEOs amongst us, are doing the CEO sleep Out.
Speaker 1: This is a great initiative. I've been part of it
Speaker 1: and done live shows from it. But more importantly, these
Speaker 1: are people who head up businesses all over the country
Speaker 1: and they will sleep rough. Like those one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand people, they have the warmth of knowing
Speaker 1: that they slept well last night and they'll sleep well
Speaker 1: again tomorrow night. But if any CEO sleep out, it
Speaker 1: raises an awful lot of about fifteen hundred CEOs will
Speaker 1: be involved at sites all around the country. Tonight, you
Speaker 1: can go to the Vinie's website if you'd like to
Speaker 1: donate to the cause in general or one person in particular.
Speaker 1: They want to raise about eight million dollars. They've currently
Speaker 1: got about seven million dollars coming from about thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand different people. And all of that's great, and often
Speaker 1: there is this annual focus from the media about homelessness
Speaker 1: through the lens of this CEO's sleepout. It's a great thing.
Speaker 1: We'll cross to it again live later in the show.
Speaker 1: But there are images that are not as famous that
Speaker 1: are an example of the working poor having to literally
Speaker 1: go and get food donations. This was a recent photo
Speaker 1: in Melbourne on just an average night of a number
Speaker 1: of people who were lined up almost around the block
Speaker 1: to get a handout of food. As I've told you before,
Speaker 1: about three point seven million people in Australia living a
Speaker 1: thing called food insecurity. That means they have gone without
Speaker 1: meals at least one day in the week. It's a
Speaker 1: huge number. Here's a group of people that I think
Speaker 1: we're also lining up for food in Sydney. Now I
Speaker 1: don't start with this to depress everyone or to go
Speaker 1: over old ground, but for those of us that are
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to sleep warmly tonight. We must think of
Speaker 1: those who will not be sleeping warmly tonight or tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: or next week or the week after. We must put
Speaker 1: pressure on governments for them to care. And if we can,
Speaker 1: we should give to charities. But as I said, Australians
Speaker 1: would love to keep giving, but because we don't have
Speaker 1: enough at times for ourselves, it means we are giving less.
Speaker 1: This was a focus of an interesting report today in
Speaker 1: the Sydney Morning Herald. Well they say that the cost
Speaker 1: of living crisis is driving Australians to the nation's charities,
Speaker 1: so it's forced up to eighty percent of people to
Speaker 1: cut the amount of money that they are giving the
Speaker 1: welfare organizations. So put, simply, more people than ever before
Speaker 1: are needing help from a charity, but the amount of
Speaker 1: people who can give money to charity is going down fast.
Speaker 1: As part of a broad survey which was carried out
Speaker 1: about attitudes towards charity done by the University of Queensland,
Speaker 1: seventy eight percent of people say they've reduced their donations
Speaker 1: because of the cost of living crisis. Sixty one percent
Speaker 1: say they still believed it was important for them to
Speaker 1: have social impact through donations despite the pressures on their
Speaker 1: own finances. So at a time when again, I'm not
Speaker 1: breaking news that there's poor people, but there's more of
Speaker 1: them than ever before. I'm not breaking news that there
Speaker 1: is working poor, but there are more of them than
Speaker 1: ever before. I'm not breaking news about homelessness, but there's
Speaker 1: more of it than ever before. But the help that
Speaker 1: these people get is only through the good will of others.
Speaker 1: We are entirely indebted in this country to the people
Speaker 1: who work in any form of charity, be it people
Speaker 1: who are at the cold face giving meals, to the
Speaker 1: people who are helping out in the soup kitchens, to
Speaker 1: the people who are giving out toys, to the people
Speaker 1: who sponsor kids in poorer parts of the country. No
Speaker 1: matter what you do, if you are any of those people,
Speaker 1: I want to thank you from the bottom of our
Speaker 1: collective heart from those of us who always say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I should give, but tomorrow, no tonight, right, do it
Speaker 1: by a CEO, sleep out, do it by food Bank again.
Speaker 1: Food Bank is one of those charities that just keeps
Speaker 1: on going all day, every day, just like Vinie's, just
Speaker 1: like the Salvos, just like the kids helpline, and so
Speaker 1: many others, and so often when I highlight one cause,
Speaker 1: there's so many generous people watching this program that when
Speaker 1: I ask for your help, you're coming drives. I don't
Speaker 1: have that cause tonight. Instead, it is a general call
Speaker 1: for all of us for what we can to give
Speaker 1: the charity. But in this time of need, the one
Speaker 1: group who does have the money is the federal government.
Speaker 1: But amazingly, the organizations that are handing out food to
Speaker 1: those people that we showed you before, well they asked
Speaker 1: in the last federal budget for forty five million dollars
Speaker 1: to come from the federal government to help boost what
Speaker 1: they do. However, they got knocked back. The federal government
Speaker 1: said no, no extra money, No extra forty five million
Speaker 1: dollars and can we show the photos of the people
Speaker 1: again in Melbourne. No extra money to help these people.
Speaker 1: What does that say about a country that is washing
Speaker 1: around in more taxation revenue than ever before, a government
Speaker 1: that it claims you should vote for them because they
Speaker 1: have a budget surplus, they couldn't possibly find forty five
Speaker 1: million dollars to help the people who need the help
Speaker 1: right now. But of course this government does have specifically
Speaker 1: forty five million dollars that could have gone to the
Speaker 1: food banks. But that's how much they're going to be
Speaker 1: spending on themselves, on marketing themselves. Repeat. Food banks wanted
Speaker 1: forty five million dollars, but Labor is spending forty five
Speaker 1: million dollars on telling you about its future Made in
Speaker 1: Australia program. It's nothing to educate the public about how
Speaker 1: they can apply for the grants. Instead, it's just forty
Speaker 1: five million dollars of taxpayers money to shove a brand
Speaker 1: into your consciousness. This is on top of forty million
Speaker 1: dollars on ads that you're probably seeing, hearing or a
Speaker 1: sick of now about the Stage three tax cuts. You know,
Speaker 1: the too little, too late that's not going to change
Speaker 1: anyone's lives, especially the poorest amongst us. Life is about priorities,
Speaker 1: and we can't fix all the problems all the time.
Speaker 1: We can't make homelessness go away just like that. But
Speaker 1: one thing we can definitely do is that when a
Speaker 1: charity comes begging for money from a government, a government
Speaker 1: that claims to have more money than it knows how
Speaker 1: to spend in a federal budget surplus that's got forty
Speaker 1: five million dollars to tell you about a program that
Speaker 1: you have nothing to do with, and another forty million
Speaker 1: dollars to tell you about tax cuts that you don't
Speaker 1: have to apply for. It shows that their priorities are
Speaker 1: all about the politics, not about taking care of the
Speaker 1: people who desperately need the help. Now now, I know
Speaker 1: that generally speaking, when we raise issues, we have to
Speaker 1: come up with some sort of a solution for the issues,
Speaker 1: because then we all feel better that the thing we
Speaker 1: raised as a problem is going to get better. My
Speaker 1: appeal is to anyone with access or power to talking
Speaker 1: to those who are making the decisions. Ask them, why
Speaker 1: can't you find more money for charity? Now? Why do
Speaker 1: so many Australians have to donate to make things better? Now? Again,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with the tax system that says if you're
Speaker 1: lucky enough and you work hard enough, and you get
Speaker 1: to a certain number, then they take more and more
Speaker 1: and more until eventually they take half. And I'm fine
Speaker 1: if that has a many care system and that has
Speaker 1: a defense system, but it also should have a social
Speaker 1: safety there. The social safety net is broken if a
Speaker 1: government that is so rich with hundreds of billions of
Speaker 1: dollars in revenue that they can't crack off forty five
Speaker 1: million dollars to help the people who are queuing for
Speaker 1: food right now. Instead, the priority is their own political survival.
Speaker 1: Think about that every time you see those ads and
Speaker 1: where the money should really be going. You may have
Speaker 1: noticed the media is slightly freaking out. In the past
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Opposition leader Peter Dutton insists Australians will
Speaker 1: know the cost of his nuclear power plan before the
Speaker 1: next election.
Speaker 2: Liftgo.
Speaker 3: Locals have spent the day weighing up a jobs boom
Speaker 3: if a nuclear reactor is built in their backyard.
Speaker 4: It's one of two New South Wales town's key to
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton's power plan.
Speaker 5: Peter Dutton is defending his decision not to release details
Speaker 5: of what his nuclear power plan will cost.
Speaker 6: He says he wants information out in bite sized bits.
Speaker 1: Now. Of course, there was no such pressure on the
Speaker 1: Labour Party when it came to their costings. When it
Speaker 1: came to renewables. Remember there was an entire election in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when Bill Shorten just said, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: imagine the expense if we don't do it. And then
Speaker 1: at the last election there was modeling which produced two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars power price reductions that of
Speaker 1: course changed according to the government, so now they don't
Speaker 1: have to honor that promise. Instead they're papering over it
Speaker 1: with twenty five dollars a month credits which go to
Speaker 1: every mansion and one bedroom house in the country. But
Speaker 1: of course that wasn't just the only outrage that the
Speaker 1: media had about the latest position from Peter Duddon, because
Speaker 1: what scares them more than anything else is the comfortable
Speaker 1: relationship they have with the government that they like, that
Speaker 1: gives them all of the information that they want, that
Speaker 1: generally speaking does them more favors than a conservative government would.
Speaker 1: So of course there's a freak out when anyone talks
Speaker 1: about cutting immigration, even though both sides of politics have
Speaker 1: told us they're going to cut immigration. Apparently Peter Dudden
Speaker 1: was the one they had to freak out about because
Speaker 1: his cuts were going to go deeper. Remember lefty Laura
Speaker 1: ti Ingle, who of course is able to now completely
Speaker 1: be objective in her observations of Peter Dutton's nucular policy.
Speaker 7: We are a.
Speaker 8: Racist countryl its face that we always have been at
Speaker 8: is very depressing, but to give a license like that
Speaker 8: I find profoundly depressing and a terrible.
Speaker 2: Prospect for the next election.
Speaker 1: And of course the freak out of the OsO white
Speaker 1: lefty bubble of which she lives in and applauds her
Speaker 1: and gives her gigs and gives her rewards. There was
Speaker 1: this fantasy that apparently when Peter Dutton turned around and
Speaker 1: said that we should have a ban on foreign buyers
Speaker 1: coming into the country for a couple of years when
Speaker 1: he becomes prime minister, or should he become prime minister
Speaker 1: at this election or perhaps the next one, we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Well, of course that was going to cause
Speaker 1: racial division in the streets, wasn't it, Laura for a major.
Speaker 8: Polt the colly that us be saying, as Nicky says,
Speaker 8: you know, everything that's going.
Speaker 2: Wrong in this country is because of my grants. And
Speaker 2: I had flaship people turning out to try to read
Speaker 2: a property or at an auction, and if they look
Speaker 2: a bit different, what I need to find different as
Speaker 2: basically has given them license.
Speaker 1: The abused just media bubble fantasies. But of course to
Speaker 1: call her out wasn't helpful to her or to the ABC,
Speaker 1: or to the national debate again. What freaked them out?
Speaker 1: This promise from Peter Dutton.
Speaker 4: We believe that by rebalancing the migration program and taking
Speaker 4: decisive action on the housing crisis, the Coalition can free
Speaker 4: up almost forty thousand additional homes in the first year.
Speaker 4: We will implement a two year ban on foreign investors
Speaker 4: and temporary residents purchasing existing homes in Australia.
Speaker 1: Well, that, of course, was about six weeks ago. So
Speaker 1: let's get into the time machine and roll forward six weeks.
Speaker 1: Six weeks there we Australian politics distracted on this, distracted
Speaker 1: on that. Let's talk about this, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Change the subject. Wasn't the budget amazing? Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: everyone forgot the budget? Isn't a terrible All right, I've
Speaker 1: got this idea. You've got that idea justintra ardern was
Speaker 1: long gone. But immigration, Chinese popp in and you get
Speaker 1: it right, Lots has happened in the past six months
Speaker 1: a six weeks. Well, guess what's also happened in the
Speaker 1: past six weeks. The Australian public agrees with what Peter
Speaker 1: Duddin had to say about foreign buyers, specifically Chinese buyers. Now,
Speaker 1: before you think this is some sort of right wing
Speaker 1: thing tank that produced a horribly dog whistling racist commentary,
Speaker 1: it comes from the far right wing institution known as
Speaker 1: the University of Technology in Sydney. Anyone who knows this
Speaker 1: institution knows, oh it is urso work. Anyone who knows
Speaker 1: its media program knows, oh wow, even Radio National is
Speaker 1: a little too right wing for them. But anyway, let's
Speaker 1: read eighty three percent repeat, eighty three percent of Australians
Speaker 1: believe the government should restrict the amount of investment in
Speaker 1: residential real estate that has permitted from Chinese investors. Bang oh,
Speaker 1: but my confern is that when somebody looks different, everyone's
Speaker 1: going to start turning on them in auctions. No, they
Speaker 1: just want people here to be able to compete for
Speaker 1: their own real estate, and not investors representing money overseas,
Speaker 1: not people from China who've had kids here, but people
Speaker 1: representing the people whose money is all completely coming from overseas.
Speaker 1: This comes from the University of Technology, Sydney's Australia China
Speaker 1: Relations Institute. So hardly again, big right wing think tank.
Speaker 1: A clear majority eighty percent of Australians agree with the
Speaker 1: statement that foreign buyers from China drive up housing prices,
Speaker 1: a seven point increase from the seventy three percent same
Speaker 1: time last year, and basically where we were at the
Speaker 1: height of the pandemic when things were going particularly crazy
Speaker 1: in twenty and twenty one, when it was eighty two
Speaker 1: percent of people. Meantime, just under three quarters of people
Speaker 1: seventy four percent. So the Chinese investors have negatively affected
Speaker 1: the rental market for residential real estate in Australia, which
Speaker 1: is a four year high on that survey. So two
Speaker 1: things to learn here. Every time the lefty media, particularly
Speaker 1: freaks out about any policy don't takes that will apparently
Speaker 1: turn Australians on each other and start fisty cuffs in
Speaker 1: the streets, it's not true. Remember his position when it
Speaker 1: came to the Voice was he was backing no when
Speaker 1: it was forty percent of the poles. It ended up
Speaker 1: being sixty percent of the Poles. Their fantasy that this
Speaker 1: would somehow drive people to some sort of riot at
Speaker 1: an auction, well guess what it's where eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the Australian public is, particularly with investors coming from China.
Speaker 1: Will it be the same for nuclear power? We'll all
Speaker 1: have to learn together. But if the lefties are losing it,
Speaker 1: then probably Dutton is on the right path, which brings us,
Speaker 1: of course to some exclusive footage that we have for
Speaker 1: you this se eveving. I don't know if we can
Speaker 1: get the little bug thing to say exclusive Outdare or
Speaker 1: the breaking news thing, but I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1: As you know, the Prime Minister gets onto a plane
Speaker 1: that apparently he's nicknamed after his dog called Toto. Oh, Toto,
Speaker 1: so amazing. Did you know that he grew up in
Speaker 1: social single parent. Oh, it's such an incredible story. Well,
Speaker 1: we've actually got some footage from inside Toto one, the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister's plane when the announcement was made that Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton was going all in on nuclear power. Can we
Speaker 1: roll the tape exclusive? I love that movie leak two
Speaker 1: Flying Eyes awesome. Now an example of the freak out
Speaker 1: once they were able to put the tie on. Was
Speaker 1: this stuff in the past couple of days?
Speaker 4: Nuclear energy is toxic, it's risky, it's more expensive, and
Speaker 4: it is decades and decades away, doesn't make economic sense,
Speaker 4: and it's a massive distraction from this renewal energy transformation.
Speaker 5: It might be the dumbest policy ever put forward by
Speaker 5: a major political party. It is the worst combination of
Speaker 5: economic and ideological stupidity.
Speaker 1: What's that inner voice again? Any excuse? I promise that's
Speaker 1: it for tonight, But still I like it. Now what
Speaker 1: about this one from Albow was talking with KG earlier today.
Speaker 1: Well done to our camera people for getting in touch
Speaker 1: with the PM and having him as the b interview today.
Speaker 1: But have a look at this claim coming from the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister about what nucular energy is such a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: The coalition's nuclear fantasy will hamper price falls for a
Speaker 1: more renewable energy. So hang on, hang on, Peter Dunton's
Speaker 1: now the reason why we're not going to get to
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five dollars Now, hang on. Peter
Speaker 1: Dunton is opposite leader and can have whatever policy that
Speaker 1: he wants in the Australian people will vote on it
Speaker 1: at the end of this year or early next year.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. But right now, the law of
Speaker 1: the land is the Labor Party's policy with the Greens
Speaker 1: help in the Senate. They are the ones who are
Speaker 1: putting tens of billions of dollars, frankly, hundreds of billions
Speaker 1: of dollars into the system that used to work pretty
Speaker 1: well to the one that fingers Cross will work into
Speaker 1: the future, with even more money to come after that.
Speaker 1: And supposedly we were going to see power bills remember
Speaker 1: down by twoenty twenty five, by two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five dollars. But now the reason that won't happen is
Speaker 1: because Peddy Dutton has disrupted the certainty. Well, no, the
Speaker 1: certainty only gets busted if the Australian people endorse the policy,
Speaker 1: if they give him enough votes in the lower House
Speaker 1: to get it to happen, and a path through the
Speaker 1: Senate to make it happen. So WA's the spin here
Speaker 1: from the Prime Minister trying to pretend that the other
Speaker 1: guy's policy that is not the law of the land
Speaker 1: is the reason why your policy that is the law
Speaker 1: of the land won't do what you promised it would
Speaker 1: do when you were the opposition leader.
Speaker 9: That's how you reduce prices by increasing supply, offering the
Speaker 9: business community the certainty that they've been asking for.
Speaker 1: And that is what we have done again. If you
Speaker 1: Australian people decide to keep on this path, they will
Speaker 1: re elect the government, the idea of nuclear power will
Speaker 1: not happen, and all of the certainty that's being demanded,
Speaker 1: including an awful lot of money from the taxpayer, that's
Speaker 1: the certainty. Instead, the other guy comes up with the
Speaker 1: policy in a democracy, and it's the reason why your
Speaker 1: policy doesn't work. Pull the other one. But this, of
Speaker 1: course would see most of the media and not actually
Speaker 1: call him out on that lie. Why because they're the
Speaker 1: same people who haven't called him out on the two
Speaker 1: seventy five lie. One because they think, oh, well, the
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars that's only going to be twelve months
Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars increments for one year. That solves
Speaker 1: the problem, doesn't it. No, the promise was the power
Speaker 1: bill from May would come down by two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars by twenty twenty five and it would
Speaker 1: stay that low. Right now, I know they're not making
Speaker 1: promises about two thousand and thirty five and forty five,
Speaker 1: But the promise in two thousand and twenty five was
Speaker 1: that it was naturally coming down by two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars. But you and I both know it
Speaker 1: went up by hundreds of dollars, and even if it
Speaker 1: slightly comes down, it's still way about where it was
Speaker 1: in May of twenty twenty two. The other thing here,
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know how it's going to politically
Speaker 1: work out, but you constantly hear people talk about the CSIRO. Well, okay, cool, Yes,
Speaker 1: the CSIRO has put out a report which does say
Speaker 1: what the certain cost may be about putting in mid
Speaker 1: or large scale nuclear reactors. Okay, not pretending that's not
Speaker 1: the case. In fact, let me read directly here, building
Speaker 1: a large scale nuclear power planted in Australia would cost
Speaker 1: at least eight point five billion dollars, take fifteen years
Speaker 1: to deliver, and produce electricity roughly twice the cost of
Speaker 1: renewable sources. From the country's leading scientific institution. That's what
Speaker 1: they found. Okay, cool, Again, not pretending, not faking the numbers,
Speaker 1: just showing you the day so we can have our
Speaker 1: opinion on top of it. Trying to arm you with
Speaker 1: some of the discussions that you can have inside around
Speaker 1: a heater if you can afford it over this weekend.
Speaker 1: But you know what, all of the same people who
Speaker 1: constantly point to the CSIRO as the ultimate authority on
Speaker 1: how expensive this technology is. All failed to miss is
Speaker 1: that the CSIRO has also told us what the actual
Speaker 1: cost of the renewable revolution is going to be. So
Speaker 1: remember eight point five billion dollars for the nuclear reactor.
Speaker 1: Okay for the one power plant. Now, I remember I
Speaker 1: showed you a document many many times since twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: that said the cost of renewables was going to cost
Speaker 1: one t trillion dollars. Well, the CSIRO, now that they're
Speaker 1: all on board, and we've got to get that talking
Speaker 1: point off the table. But still they did their sums
Speaker 1: and they came up with a new number, the Bowen
Speaker 1: and Albow and the certainty greens plan. Let's have a look.
Speaker 1: It'll now cost five hundred billion dollars. So I'm not
Speaker 1: great at maths. Building a large goal nuclear reactor would
Speaker 1: cost eight point five billion dollars. The current estimate from
Speaker 1: the CSIRO for a full transition to renewables is five
Speaker 1: hundred b for billion dollars repeat, building the renewables, changing
Speaker 1: the transmission lines, building the batteries, five hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 1: CSIRO numbers this year, same report this year would say
Speaker 1: that if you had seven nuclear power plants that would
Speaker 1: cost sixty billion dollars. Now, obviously some other upgrades would
Speaker 1: have to happen. So let's say one hundred let's say
Speaker 1: two hundred billion dollars. That's still three hundred billion dollars
Speaker 1: lower than the renewable number. Yet nobody seems to point
Speaker 1: it out. Again, I'm showing you the numbers from the CSIRO. Now,
Speaker 1: let's imagine that there was again a huge cost blowout
Speaker 1: to one hundred billion dollars or two hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 1: It's still below the five hundred billion. But I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the smart alecks to turn around and say, well,
Speaker 1: hang on, you forgot the indices on page seven hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six, because seven hundred and twenty six shows
Speaker 1: that we can make it up as we go along.
Speaker 1: If one of the talking points of the left is
Speaker 1: you can't build it because it's too expensive, well the
Speaker 1: one they're building is more expensive. And also in terms
Speaker 1: of how all of this gets funded. Oh but it's
Speaker 1: a private sector that will spend most of that five
Speaker 1: hundred billion. Paul, okay, so what about the taxpayer money
Speaker 1: again costing about sixty billion dollars to build all of
Speaker 1: those power plants that petted upon wants versus the sixty
Speaker 1: two billion dollars that is currently off budget in the
Speaker 1: same way they funded the NBN, which is exactly the
Speaker 1: same way that they would fund the nuclear power plants.
Speaker 1: Is exactly the pocket of money that Chris Bowen has
Speaker 1: to go off and do deal after deal after deal
Speaker 1: after deal. And as you know, there's been plenty of
Speaker 1: peop that have noticed the response that has come from
Speaker 1: labor MPs near and far, and no doubt the left
Speaker 1: wing media analysts will turn around and say, well, hang on,
Speaker 1: you were fine with the memes in the twenty nineteen election,
Speaker 1: and you were fine with the no campaign. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with a little bit of a creative meming from the
Speaker 1: left like the three eyed blinky Bill. Well, of course,
Speaker 1: you can make your point however you want to. The
Speaker 1: only problem is is that what was it that this
Speaker 1: government said about what they believed to be clearly misleading information.
Speaker 5: Misinformation, misinformation, misinformation.
Speaker 9: The misinformation which is there so misinformation.
Speaker 1: And that of course is about to be illegal on
Speaker 1: the Internet by the very government that is pushing the
Speaker 1: misinformation about the policy, both its costs and its consequences.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens politically, but enjoy the debates
Speaker 1: this weekend. Remember the numbers CSOO five hundred billion dollars
Speaker 1: for the renewables, sixty billion dollars up it to one
Speaker 1: hundred if you want see how that conversation goes this weekend. Now,
Speaker 1: I've got some big news for you, and I want
Speaker 1: to get into some detail here about, of course, the
Speaker 1: American presidential election. Now, most people, if you ask them
Speaker 1: to think, oh, well, Trump's going to win. Why because this.
Speaker 10: Brand new poll from Iowa showing that President Trump is
Speaker 10: leading Biden now fifty percent to thirty two percent.
Speaker 9: Donald Trumps showing in these polls that he continues to
Speaker 9: hold an advantage over President Joe Biden.
Speaker 7: New Wall Street Journal survey shows mister Trump leading in
Speaker 7: six battleground states.
Speaker 10: New polling from the New York Times shows it isn't
Speaker 10: hurting him in key battleground states.
Speaker 1: And that is the case most of the times anyone's
Speaker 1: ever talked about poles Trump is winning. I've been more
Speaker 1: than happy with that result for the obvious of reasons. Also,
Speaker 1: if you have a look at a thing called the
Speaker 1: real politics, real clear politics, average, which puts together all
Speaker 1: of the polls in the swing states, and they do
Speaker 1: the numbers. Yet they believe that Trump is winning according
Speaker 1: to those polls just in Wisconsin, but a pretty big
Speaker 1: margin in Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Carolina, North Carolina, Nevada, and
Speaker 1: again just in front in Michigan. Now, let's imagine if
Speaker 1: Biden wins two of those seats or states, but Trump
Speaker 1: won all the rest, then Trump would of course be
Speaker 1: the president. Well, there is a change. It does not
Speaker 1: fill me with great joy to tell you, but I
Speaker 1: want you to do with facts and not wake up
Speaker 1: like a Hillary Clinton support going well, one of two
Speaker 1: outcomes could happen. This is the latest national poll from
Speaker 1: Fox News.
Speaker 9: President Biden gets his best resolved this election cycle in
Speaker 9: the head to head against former President Donald Trump. He
Speaker 9: leads fifty to forty eight. That is within the margin
Speaker 9: of error. President Biden hasn't been ahead of former President
Speaker 9: Trump in the poll since October twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Now, interestingly, when you have a look at the five
Speaker 1: way race, because remember it's not just two names on
Speaker 1: the ballot. There's Kennedy, there's a whole bunch of other ones. Well,
Speaker 1: According to this, Biden would win by one point. Now again,
Speaker 1: it's not about what the national race is because you
Speaker 1: know clearly Trump leads in Texas by a massive margin
Speaker 1: and he loses in California by a big number. So
Speaker 1: it's all about those swing states. We need to see
Speaker 1: swing states. Polly currently good for Trump, but the issues
Speaker 1: are also pretty good for Donald Trump. Right now, again
Speaker 1: more from the Fox News poll. So, if the election
Speaker 1: is about the issues that are strong for Biden, Biden wins.
Speaker 1: If the issues are the ones that Trump is strong on,
Speaker 1: Trump wins.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 10: Biden leads on the democracy issue by six points. Trump
Speaker 10: leads on immigration by nine Republicans slamming yesterday's executive orders
Speaker 10: shielding half a million undocumented spouses from deportation as mass amnesty.
Speaker 10: On the economy, Trump has a five point lead a
Speaker 10: opping sixty eight percent of registered voters feel its condition
Speaker 10: is only fair or poor. Forty one percent report they're
Speaker 10: falling behind in their personal finances, and Biden's approval rating
Speaker 10: is deep underwater. On the economy, inflation, immigration, and the
Speaker 10: Israel Hamas war.
Speaker 1: So Fox News polling headline national number, Biden has taken
Speaker 1: the lead. We are a week and a bit away
Speaker 1: from the first presidential debate, which of course will be
Speaker 1: the next turning point in the race. Is it where
Speaker 1: Biden starts to get up and over Trump and we
Speaker 1: see what happened in twenty twenty happen again, or this
Speaker 1: is a blip. Who cares? Look at the states, look
Speaker 1: at the issues. Trump is still in the lead. We'll
Speaker 1: all learn together. But one thing that is absolutely freaking
Speaker 1: out the left black voters, because they are supposed to
Speaker 1: always vote democratic. Right, Remember what did Joe Biden say,
Speaker 1: if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Well,
Speaker 1: a few people who are aren't going.
Speaker 7: To They keep looking for science that this is going
Speaker 7: to go back to normal, and I don't see it
Speaker 7: yet in the polling of anything.
Speaker 1: Right now, we're careening.
Speaker 7: Towards a historic performance for Republican presidential candidate, the likes
Speaker 7: of which we have not seen in six decades. Look
Speaker 7: at black voters under the age of fifty. Holy cow, folks,
Speaker 7: Holy cow, look at us. Joe Biden was up by
Speaker 7: eighty points among this back at this point in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: Look at where that margin has careem down towards. It's
Speaker 7: now just get this thirty seven points.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here? Which pole will they believe? Of course,
Speaker 1: the White House have said we don't believe any of
Speaker 1: the poles except for the one where we're winning. We're
Speaker 1: in a secure on Paul Murray Live, looking forward to
Speaker 1: the debate and who is the winner and loser of
Speaker 1: the week. We'll get to it next alright, know sook
Speaker 1: snow Lefties Thursday night here, just the way you like it.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to the people at the Seeo sleep out
Speaker 1: a little bit later and hopefully raise some money for them.
Speaker 1: You can always send me an email Paul at skynews
Speaker 1: dot com dot are you, and a reminder we're going
Speaker 1: to be McGregor in Brisbane, not this but next Sunday.
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Speaker 1: let most people in. Just no looney lefties and you
Speaker 1: can enjoin us next Sunday again, none of that here
Speaker 1: with Henry Pike and Christin Abram. I'd love to see
Speaker 1: you both. Of course, we've got Henry of course, the
Speaker 1: liberal MP, and well the libertarian lovely one from Melbourne
Speaker 1: in Kristin. So let's talk here about nuclear all right now, Christian,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start with you. What do you think
Speaker 1: about the nature of the chat that we're starting to
Speaker 1: have here because the left is either freaking out saying,
Speaker 1: like the premiere of Victoria, we're all going to die,
Speaker 1: or it's really really expensive, even though the really expensive
Speaker 1: bit is what we're currently doing.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I thought it was interesting about the CSII that
Speaker 12: you mentioned before, Paul. But one thing that I'm actually
Speaker 12: really surprised about is I struggle to see a difference
Speaker 12: between Blue and raided for the last couple of years,
Speaker 12: and they've drawn a clear line in the sand that
Speaker 12: there is a difference in policies for the first time
Speaker 12: in a while. So I'm actually happy to hear that
Speaker 12: in terms of nuclear energy. As a libertarian, we've been
Speaker 12: saying that every option has to be on the table
Speaker 12: when we're talking about having reliable energy sources. For Australia
Speaker 12: and ensuring that we have low energy prices. So I'm
Speaker 12: glad that we're having a mature conversation about this for
Speaker 12: the first time in a really long time. But one
Speaker 12: thing that has surprised me in the last twenty four
Speaker 12: hours I've heard the Labor Party come out with I
Speaker 12: hate to say the word, but a little bit of misinformation. Well,
Speaker 12: I was wondering, do you have E. I know, do
Speaker 12: you have E Karran's number, because I'd like to give
Speaker 12: her a call. I think there's some stuff she can
Speaker 12: be doing here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, Henry, exactly the same thing I
Speaker 1: was thinking when they're out and about the three ifici
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. Right, And look again,
Speaker 1: it's always easy to say no to something then put
Speaker 1: the idea a little in, an idea that is apparently controversial,
Speaker 1: but it is hilarious what Labor is willing to do
Speaker 1: to argue against the policy. Now. Of course, what they
Speaker 1: do is they move around cost arguments. Right, they'll talk
Speaker 1: about the cost once it's built, not the cost of
Speaker 1: building it, and you can't dare compare that to where
Speaker 1: it is. But what about the p in today saying
Speaker 1: that we're basically the renewable power. The price drop because
Speaker 1: of renewables won't be able to be achieved because of
Speaker 1: what the opposition leader's policy is.
Speaker 3: Paul is a genius of making the scapegoat, isn't he.
Speaker 3: It's quite unbelievable. I've never quite seen a prime minister
Speaker 3: try to clean their hands of any responsibility for their
Speaker 3: own policy failures like this prime minister has been able
Speaker 3: to do. But it's really been quite remarkable to see
Speaker 3: the lefts have a massive meltdown over this announcement yesterday.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, when you look at the people complaining about
Speaker 3: these safety issues that are apparently there with nuclear technology,
Speaker 3: these are the same people who are one hundred percent
Speaker 3: behind the Orchest Agreement and signing our sailors up to
Speaker 3: be in close quarters with nuclear reactors. So it's complete madness.
Speaker 3: I've been out knocked on doors in my electorate today
Speaker 3: and i can tell you that I'd be very pleased
Speaker 3: to take to an election the idea of looking forward
Speaker 3: to what's actually in our national best interest and having
Speaker 3: a proper fully fledged debate along over due debate on
Speaker 3: nuclear power. I think the average austrained punter is going
Speaker 3: to be well and truly up for the challenge of
Speaker 3: having that debate, and I think they're going to come
Speaker 3: down on the side of Peter Dutton on this one.
Speaker 1: Now. Of course, if we don't play a scare every
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from the Prime Minister on this issue, they
Speaker 1: could take away our broadcasting license. So please, this is
Speaker 1: just a fantasy.
Speaker 4: Instead of snow White and the seven dwarves, this is
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton and the seven nuclear reactors.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Now the idiots who claim who are part
Speaker 1: of a doomsday cult. And these are normally the people
Speaker 1: that used to bark at train stations and you'd walk
Speaker 1: past them. But these are now the people who think,
Speaker 1: you don't think the world's end fast enough, you don't
Speaker 1: understand the world is ending fast enough. We've already gone
Speaker 1: past the tipping point when it comes to climate change.
Speaker 1: So we can do whatever we want to raise this issue,
Speaker 1: including these idiots who decided to spray Stone Hinge in
Speaker 1: the past day or so. Now again, Henry, I don't
Speaker 1: get how this is supposed to convince anyone. Like I
Speaker 1: thought they'd learnt their line, they'd learned they'd gone too far.
Speaker 1: When the snooker thing, just you know, when just all
Speaker 1: the traffic interruption, This is all ahead of course the
Speaker 1: summer solstice, the longest day of the year, which is
Speaker 1: dawning as we speak in the UK, and lots of
Speaker 1: people turn up there, I don't know, pray to the druids,
Speaker 1: good luck to them. But who was supposed to be
Speaker 1: convinced by this, Like, who's a hardcore sort of you know,
Speaker 1: cold chomping person who thinks it's all bullshit. But somehow
Speaker 1: it's going to wake up and see this and go, well,
Speaker 1: thank you, you've made my point.
Speaker 3: Well, no one is going to be convinced by this
Speaker 3: at all, Paul. It's it's absolutely clear, no one. You know,
Speaker 3: this is complete madness. Whether it's spraying paintlets Stonehenge, whether
Speaker 3: it's destroying all those wonderful pieces of art across Europe
Speaker 3: that we've been seeing, it's complete madness. But it's not
Speaker 3: about trying to get an outcome. They've given up on that.
Speaker 3: They're not interested in actually getting an outcome. They don't
Speaker 3: want resolutions to any of these problems. They're just about
Speaker 3: moral grandstanding.
Speaker 1: That's all this is.
Speaker 3: It's trying to build a notoriety for themselves and their organizations.
Speaker 3: There's no hope at all from them about trying to
Speaker 3: change an outcome here. It's just purely about self indulgence.
Speaker 1: Really, I apologize to everyone for swearing. Of course, you
Speaker 1: know it's my big life vision is to try to
Speaker 1: cut back on it on the telly right now, alas
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to anyway. Now, Kristen, let's talk
Speaker 1: here about again this level of activism, right and there
Speaker 1: is this fine line between frankly, showing your commitment to
Speaker 1: a cause, showing your willingness to change public opinion. But
Speaker 1: then there's this particular vein of it, and it exists
Speaker 1: at the moment in amongst these doomsday cults around the
Speaker 1: end of the world, in the environment or on issues
Speaker 1: to do with the Middle East. Unless you're marching with them,
Speaker 1: than you are the enemy, which seems to be a
Speaker 1: little bit against the whole concept of democracy, which is
Speaker 1: that you convince people over time. We have a vote
Speaker 1: every now and then you move forward or you move backward,
Speaker 1: and that's how it goes.
Speaker 12: But they don't want that, Paul. They want the attention,
Speaker 12: they want the moral high round. They want to be
Speaker 12: the people that are going to save us from ourselves
Speaker 12: and our future. That's going to happen, But in actual
Speaker 12: fact they are doing that in the process of ruining
Speaker 12: our history.
Speaker 1: How is that.
Speaker 12: I have absolutely no idea how people will go. Yes,
Speaker 12: that's the cause I want to get involved with, by
Speaker 12: ruining one of the wonders of the world. Like, it's
Speaker 12: just ridiculous and honestly, like, hats off to those two
Speaker 12: people that were, you know, trying to pull them away,
Speaker 12: because it shows that society wouldn't just stand there and
Speaker 12: take it. So hats off to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that feeling too, henry. Where Again, nobody's
Speaker 1: going for mob justice because again, if I don't say that,
Speaker 1: then we're off to the cleaners and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But the idea that normal people go, no, sorry, right,
Speaker 1: this is a collective is this. We all kind of
Speaker 1: own this, whether we travel to it or not. And
Speaker 1: you don't get to screw with this just because you
Speaker 1: want to get yourself on the telly.
Speaker 3: I completely agree, and hats off to those people who intervened.
Speaker 3: But we should all be trying to intervene, whether it's
Speaker 3: in workplace, whether it's in you know, I had a
Speaker 3: few people down here, who glued themselves to a zebra
Speaker 3: crossing in George Street when I was walking past. We
Speaker 3: should all be trying to intervene to say, hey, this
Speaker 3: is ludicrous. You know, enough's enough. Perhaps a bit of
Speaker 3: public shaming is the only way these people will learn
Speaker 3: their lesson. I doubt it. They really They thrive off
Speaker 3: that notoriety and that attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. So let's talk about the Fox
Speaker 1: News pole. The Fox News poll shows that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: is in front first time since the election began. And
Speaker 1: of course this is post Trump convictions all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. It's one pole, it's one point, it's national,
Speaker 1: it's not all of those caveats. But again, Kristen, I
Speaker 1: don't want people to wake up in Trump world in
Speaker 1: the way that they did in the Hillary world in sixteen,
Speaker 1: which is you've got to see what's happening. You've got
Speaker 1: to see where the data goes. We've got a debate
Speaker 1: in a weekend of its time next Friday, eleven am
Speaker 1: here on sky News. Looking forward to all of that,
Speaker 1: I'm doing something fun with Rita panehe In and around
Speaker 1: all of that, you'll see that at skynews dot com
Speaker 1: dot au. But all of those people who look at
Speaker 1: this all day every day say that it's getting tighter.
Speaker 1: What's your sense again of the media that you absorb.
Speaker 1: Has anything changed or is this just a whole collection
Speaker 1: of people starting to look twice or as the lefty
Speaker 1: media say, a whole bunch of people starting to realize
Speaker 1: that democracy is on the line.
Speaker 12: Look, it could be all of the above, it could
Speaker 12: be none of it. I don't know how accurate that
Speaker 12: pole is going to be. But I really only have
Speaker 12: two things to say about this, and one is Trump
Speaker 12: and Biden the best America has to offer. And two,
Speaker 12: God help us all if Biden or Albo and or
Speaker 12: Albo get re elected, because they're both week leaders and
Speaker 12: that shows weakness in the Western world.
Speaker 1: So well, don't forget to key Starmer whill be doing
Speaker 1: the same sitting pretty for about ten years in the UK.
Speaker 1: Look again, Henry, it's not about a Trump Raley. It's
Speaker 1: just about being realistic about the numbers. Again, there's a
Speaker 1: amateur American political observer, like we all are. What's your
Speaker 1: sense of it?
Speaker 3: I think it will be closer than people realize, But
Speaker 3: there's lots of twists and turns. You know that November
Speaker 3: is a long time away. There's going to be you know,
Speaker 3: it's going to be entertaining. There's going to be lots
Speaker 3: of things to watch over the next little while, including
Speaker 3: next week's debate.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't put.
Speaker 3: It past Biden to sneak up from behind and sniff
Speaker 3: out of victory.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well again, issues are here. As we've said before,
Speaker 1: if the democracy thing or abortion issues, they start to
Speaker 1: move to the front. But that immigration issue is relentless.
Speaker 1: I mean, the horrific story involving the thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: If you're not across it, I'm not going to give
Speaker 1: too many gross details, but horrific stuff happening New York
Speaker 1: Little and the mum of five, who, of course, has
Speaker 1: been murdered by an illegal an illegal immigrant into the country.
Speaker 1: American politics. Also very interesting that they deliberately the left
Speaker 1: will not use the term illegal immigration. They just say
Speaker 1: immigration as if it's all the same thing, as if
Speaker 1: filling out the forms and waiting for the green card
Speaker 1: is the same as the bloke going through the rear
Speaker 1: grand who happens to buy the way come from China.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is happening at the moment,
Speaker 1: but there seems to be a lot of it at
Speaker 1: the moment. All right, got less than a minute here,
Speaker 1: so Henry, your winner or loser of the week please.
Speaker 3: I think the winner has to be Peter Dutton for
Speaker 3: planning the flag on the nuclear issue and drawing a
Speaker 3: clear line in the sand. And I think the loser
Speaker 3: of the week is those Palestinian protesters who've got heckled
Speaker 3: back from the stage by Jerry Seinfeld. Good ONAM for
Speaker 3: calling them out.
Speaker 1: Well, Kristin.
Speaker 12: The winner of the week, I would say is Libertarian Party.
Speaker 12: Looks like the major parties are taking on our policies,
Speaker 12: which is good to hear. And the loser of the
Speaker 12: week would be the Sky News reporter Shanley for being
Speaker 12: treated poorly in our own country.
Speaker 1: Yeap, very good point. Thank you guys, do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you all again very very soon, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. All right, quick break. As we say,
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of people who they spend their
Speaker 1: nights under the stars, not by their choice. The people
Speaker 1: of Vinnie's are trying to do something about it. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that in a whole lot more next with
Speaker 1: two of our favorites here at sky News who will
Speaker 1: be doing the CEO sleep out now. I mentioned at
Speaker 1: the start of the show that cost of living means
Speaker 1: that we are wanting to give it to charities, but
Speaker 1: we don't quite have the money to give it to
Speaker 1: charities at the moment, which is why I made my
Speaker 1: point about government that maybe they should spend on charities,
Speaker 1: not just fluffing their own pillows when it comes to
Speaker 1: telling us through public information ads how amazing they are.
Speaker 1: Maybe they could spend the forty five million or eighty
Speaker 1: million dollars and start to send that back the way
Speaker 1: of charities. Till that happens, people like two of our
Speaker 1: favorites here at Sky News on Palmori Live are doing
Speaker 1: their bit along with the others at the viny CEO
Speaker 1: sleepouts around the country, none other than our wonderful friends
Speaker 1: Joe hilde Brand and Linda Scott. It's Lefty loving right now.
Speaker 1: Hello everyone, the leftist have.
Speaker 11: Got the numbers now of the life. We've got the numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're finally here, gen yeah, enjoy this five
Speaker 1: minutes now. Both of you have been committed to CEO
Speaker 1: sleep out for a long time. You've done it many times.
Speaker 1: This one, of course, is in Sydney, very exposed on
Speaker 1: the Overseas Passenger terminal area. You can see there. It's
Speaker 1: about eleven degrees the wind. It's going to be bloody, uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But Joe, one of the many things I love about
Speaker 1: the CEO's Sleepout is not just the money that's raised,
Speaker 1: but also the advocacy because no doubt tonight you would
Speaker 1: have met people where this is normal.
Speaker 11: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, this is what we talk about
Speaker 11: all the time. We're not pretending that we know what
Speaker 11: it's like to be homeless, because you know, we're sleeping
Speaker 11: out for just one night. In fact, quite the opposite.
Speaker 11: It's the uncertainty. It's the fear of never knowing if
Speaker 11: you're going to find secure housing. The really important thing
Speaker 11: or an event like this is when the participants all
Speaker 11: come and as soon as they arrive and you can
Speaker 11: see the newbies actually get quite shocked by this, basically
Speaker 11: plumped into a circle with someone who has actually gone
Speaker 11: through the ringer with homelessness, often domestic violence as well,
Speaker 11: or sorts of things I would never have experienced in
Speaker 11: their normal walk of life, and they hear those stories
Speaker 11: firsthand and they're confronted with them, and it's often having
Speaker 11: done it myself in the past, it is often very
Speaker 11: very harrowing, very very moving, always very profound, and that's
Speaker 11: what keeps people coming back.
Speaker 1: See I sleep out dot org. You see I sleep
Speaker 1: out dot org. That are you will to wake that
Speaker 1: up on the screen, Linda. Of course, in local government
Speaker 1: literally you see this stuff at the cold face. In
Speaker 1: a big city like Sydney, people would be surprised about
Speaker 1: how many places people end up sleeping rough. How does
Speaker 1: an event like this help?
Speaker 6: Look, we really are seeing the need for food and
Speaker 6: home services really increase, and I think this kind of event,
Speaker 6: the work that Vinnis do is more important than ever before.
Speaker 6: This is my twelfth year, but we're really seeing record
Speaker 6: numbers of people sleeping on the streets in the city
Speaker 6: of Sydney and right across the country. I'm hearing from
Speaker 6: regional mayors that people are sleeping rough for the first
Speaker 6: time ever in some of their towns and regional places.
Speaker 6: And the services we've had here in the city for
Speaker 6: many years, like the Matthew Towbot, you know, the incredible
Speaker 6: work Vinnis does is now needed right across Australia in
Speaker 6: so many other areas. So yeah, there's never been more
Speaker 6: demand on the services of Vinni's, but there's never been
Speaker 6: more an important time if people have a couple of
Speaker 6: dollars to chip in to support the great work that
Speaker 6: they do through the CEO. I sleep out tonight, Yeah
Speaker 6: see I sleep.
Speaker 1: Out dot org that I you. I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: plugging away there if for again and swatch the microphone.
Speaker 1: Switch the microphone over here for a second because Joe
Speaker 1: your turn now, which is my apologies to yes, thank
Speaker 1: you about sound as well as the cameras.
Speaker 11: It's actually me who cut Linda's mic before.
Speaker 1: Have absolutely no doubt. Now now again to those people
Speaker 1: who go through this experience. Again, you said that the
Speaker 1: shocking nate not shocking nature, the impactful nature of seeing
Speaker 1: the people they're trying to raise money for. But do
Speaker 1: you also see scenarios where you end up talking to
Speaker 1: some of these people the next morning or maybe just
Speaker 1: before they go to sleep, and they start to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm personally going to chip in more because it's one
Speaker 1: thing to raise money, but these people actually, now you
Speaker 1: know this, twelve hours is when they themselves they commit
Speaker 1: to the issue, not just tonight, but for the next
Speaker 1: twelve months.
Speaker 11: Yeah. Absolutely, And that's the whole idea of something like this,
Speaker 11: that it's not just you know, you sort of pay
Speaker 11: your arms to the poor and then you go off
Speaker 11: and you don't think about it again. It's to really
Speaker 11: challenge people and make them you know, give them yeah,
Speaker 11: maybe a tiny taste, really more hearing people's stories and
Speaker 11: understanding what it's like. There's then all sorts of mechanisms
Speaker 11: for people to make pledges about what further action they're
Speaker 11: going to take. And also, and again, even that just
Speaker 11: first immersive experience, you can't forget it, even if you
Speaker 11: tried to, so you do go back to your organizations
Speaker 11: or your communities and start to think about ways that
Speaker 11: you can help people. The other thing I find as
Speaker 11: well is that the people who vinis helps themselves. And
Speaker 11: I see this in all sorts of charities that I've
Speaker 11: been lucky enough to work with. They almost always end
Speaker 11: up helping other people once they themselves have got back
Speaker 11: on their feet. So it's this credit we talk a
Speaker 11: lot about, you know, you know, renewable s, thestateable energy.
Speaker 11: For me, there's like a perpetual engine that just keeps
Speaker 11: on giving. You help someone, they get back on their feet,
Speaker 11: they help the next person who's down to get back
Speaker 11: on there. So it's an incredible thing to behold.
Speaker 1: I'm so with you, well done getting it in. They
Speaker 1: won't push back. I think the split atom of kindness.
Speaker 1: It would be very important to see going for the
Speaker 1: next little while. All right, Linda, last one here. Those
Speaker 1: people who obviously started to go to bed behind you,
Speaker 1: they must be thrilled that you've been setting up for
Speaker 1: this conversation all evening.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, my bed's just over my right shoulder. It's a
Speaker 6: piece of cardboard right next to a puddle. I can
Speaker 6: absolutely confirm. Even though it does look beautiful here in Sydney,
Speaker 6: it's freezing. There's going to be a bit of wind.
Speaker 6: It's a very unpleasant night. You don't get much sleep,
Speaker 6: but it's only one night, and as Joe has said,
Speaker 6: it really does make you think that little bit harder
Speaker 6: about what more you can do, whether it's donating money
Speaker 6: to Vinnie's or volunteering, or going back to your workplace
Speaker 6: and hanging around the hat tomorrow. You know, these little
Speaker 6: things do make a difference. And when you think about
Speaker 6: as you have all night to think here how cold
Speaker 6: it is and how awful it is, just for one night.
Speaker 6: And we met a woman tonight who was sleeping rough
Speaker 6: for five months. She's a young woman. You know, this
Speaker 6: is a terrible life. No one deserves that.
Speaker 11: We can do more, bluddy thank you guys for meeting
Speaker 11: some guy called Chris in the car park. And we're
Speaker 11: just going to burn out of here, all.
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