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Speaker 1: But in the studio with me now it's the shadow

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Speaker 1: Federal treasurer Angus Taylor. Mister Taylor, goodbye, it goold to

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Speaker 1: be ready there, welcome to me, Welcome to Adelaide. So

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Speaker 1: let's start off with a report in the Australian today

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Speaker 1: on the front page. The wageous bill for federal public

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Speaker 1: servants has increased by ready for this, five billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: with some twenty six thousand new public servants appointed during

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Speaker 1: the term of the Alberze government. That's a lot of coin.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of coin. It's a lot of coin,

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Speaker 2: and it means that total spending now on camera based

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Speaker 2: bureaucrats is approaching the same as indis medicare. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is an extraordinary number. I live near there and

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Speaker 2: I've seen it. I live only an hour from Canberra

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Speaker 2: and we have seen the massive increase in the size

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Speaker 2: of the public service. As far as labor is concerned,

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Speaker 2: blood of bureaucracy is the answer to every problem. But

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Speaker 2: when you've got inflation and interest rates running hot, when

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Speaker 2: you're at the back of the pack in beating high

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Speaker 2: inflation and interest rates compared to peer countries around the world,

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Speaker 2: this kind of reckless spending and bloat of bureaucracy makes

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Speaker 2: the situation worse. It is exactly the opposite of what

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Speaker 2: we need.

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Speaker 1: Surely we need them, I mean why also they there?

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Speaker 1: They must be needed, surely.

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Speaker 2: No. No, we don't need a bigger public service to

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Speaker 2: bring down the cost of living. We don't need a

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Speaker 2: bigger public service to make Australia safer. We need a

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Speaker 2: better government, not a bigger government. And this government has

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Speaker 2: got it all wrong. I mean, Labour's instinct always is

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Speaker 2: to have a bigger government, not a better government. And

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Speaker 2: camera based public servants are not the answer to our

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Speaker 2: problems right now, Matthew, And look, Australian households are struggling

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Speaker 2: to pay the bills. We're struggling to pay the bills

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Speaker 2: and this government is spending like a bunch of drunken sailors.

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Speaker 2: It's completely unaccepted.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what departments they've gone into, some bigger

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Speaker 1: than others benefits.

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Speaker 2: Well, they need to be more than sparent although it's

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Speaker 2: across the board. We know there's big increases across the

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Speaker 2: board and we know as further to go it is

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Speaker 2: twenty six thousand additional public servants. So far. We know

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Speaker 2: they're planning on another ten thousand. What are they doing, Well,

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Speaker 2: it's a good question. These are questions for the government,

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Speaker 2: and we'll keep asking them.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean the other public servants there already have

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Speaker 1: been overworked? Is that the assumption we can all make from.

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Speaker 2: This, Well, I mean we know what they're doing. Ask

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Speaker 2: any small business person, Ask any small business person, they'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what they're doing. They're making life harder for

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Speaker 2: people out trying to run their businesses, run their lives

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Speaker 2: out in the private sector. And that's why what we're

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Speaker 2: seeing is an economy now where most of the job's

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Speaker 2: growth at the federal level is coming from public service,

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Speaker 2: not from the private sector. We've seen a record rate

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Speaker 2: of a number of insolvencies in the business sector in

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Speaker 2: the last two years. We've never seen anything like this,

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Speaker 2: approaching twenty four thousand. Anyone in business right now, particularly

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Speaker 2: small businesses, is suffering badly. They're really struggling. We've seen

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Speaker 2: customers now really tightening, they've tightened their belts. Costs have

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Speaker 2: gone through the roof energy costs for instance, and so

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Speaker 2: if you're in small business, you're sitting there and saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, I can't. I can't afford to hold onto

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Speaker 2: my current employees. But the government seems to be able

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Speaker 2: to employ whoever they like.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in government, should you win next year, are they gone? No.

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Speaker 2: We've been very clear on this. This is an unacceptable

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Speaker 2: increase in the size of the public service. We'll get

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Speaker 2: it back to the right set of levels. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've obviously got to protect frontline jobs, so people who

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Speaker 2: are helping veterans, for instance, at the front line. But

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Speaker 2: you've got to remember at the federal level, unlike state,

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Speaker 2: there's relatively small proportion of the public servants are at

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Speaker 2: bureaucratic things, and we have a blood of bureaucracy, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: So twenty six more five billion dollars. That doesn't help inflation,

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Speaker 2: And I'm old enough to remember the last big bout

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Speaker 2: both sides of politics worked this out, and both sides

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Speaker 2: Labor hasn't got that, and this government, this treasure of

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Speaker 2: this Prime Minister, out of their depth. They're out of touch,

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Speaker 2: and to allow that kind of growth of public service

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Speaker 2: like this is completely unacceptable, and we all pay for it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the old mantra was you pay for it

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Speaker 2: in the future because the kids and your grandkids pay

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Speaker 2: extra tax now with inflation running het you pay for

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Speaker 2: it now with higher inflation.

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Speaker 1: And higher interest rates. We've had a lot of migration,

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Speaker 1: I mean the public servants, it's extra people helping in

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Speaker 2: Well, we're seeing record levels of migration. I mean through

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Speaker 2: but hang on, you don't need a lot of public

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Speaker 2: and we're seeing the cost of that right now. Every

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Speaker 1: Year, all right, five hundred thousand coming in per annum

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Speaker 1: has been the situation of lake. What would you cut

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been very clear that perna migration needs to

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Speaker 2: come down by around twenty five percent and the non

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Speaker 2: back to the sort of settings that we were at

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Speaker 2: prior to the current surge in the current government. So

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Speaker 2: it's back, it's back. Well, we need to see the

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Speaker 2: numbers back to the levels they are at prior to

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Speaker 1: We have a freeze for a few years too.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are saying there will be a big cut

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Speaker 2: and we need them to get back to those sorts

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Speaker 2: was a big surge of illegal immigration before we got

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Speaker 1: We've got a by election coming up on the weekend

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Speaker 1: here in South Australia, the Seed of Black form of

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Speaker 1: Liberal leader David Spear's seat, and a report today in

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Speaker 1: The Times the front page in fact, the elbow factor

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Speaker 1: might be impacting the vote Labour's vote in that by election.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to study that. Is that happened?

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Speaker 1: Did we see that recently in Queensland? Is that partly

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt we've got the most incompetent and

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Speaker 2: weakest government we've seen in this country since Whitlam and Alberanzi.

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Speaker 2: He's a weak Prime Minister and he's seen that way

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Speaker 2: by Australias. I hear that everywhere I go now because

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Speaker 1: Do you think the poles reflect that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I certainly think what I see when I talk

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Speaker 2: He's a Prime minister who hasn't been prepared to make

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Speaker 2: the hard decisions, the hard decisions on migration, the decisions

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Speaker 2: on government spinning, the hard decisions that get inflation interest

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Speaker 2: underlying cost of living crisis. They give a few dollars

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Speaker 1: So you think the state by election might be a

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm not close enough to the state

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Speaker 2: I think people are smart enough to see the difference

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Speaker 2: doubt that Albinizi is on the nose, and for very

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Speaker 1: The Australian Securities and Investment Commission taking Sebus, which is

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say nonpayment, but certainly very slow

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Speaker 1: payment of superannuation to the families of deceased people. Are

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Speaker 2: Absolutely there are, There's no doubt about that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the first principle for any investment fund, whether it's an

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Speaker 2: are you looking after this money recognizing that it's not

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Speaker 2: money of Australian families, Australian households. It's their money and

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Speaker 2: time and time again instances in the super sector where

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Speaker 2: the funds are not treating it as though it's their money.

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Speaker 2: We see the Labor Party think it's their money to

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Speaker 2: use for their purposes. The union movement, some parts of

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Speaker 2: the Union movement and the CFMEU of course is linked

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Speaker 2: to see Bus. Not all of your listeners will know that,

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Speaker 2: but that's the deep links there. They're treating the money

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Speaker 2: as though it's money to be used by the union

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Speaker 2: movement for their purposes. No, it's Australians money. And to

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Speaker 2: can't get access to it and a right to it,

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Speaker 2: by the way, that's the most important thing. Absolutely got

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Speaker 2: to write to it and they can't get access to it.

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Speaker 2: It's completely unacceptable. There are serious questions that needed to

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Speaker 2: need to be answered here by SeaBus, by Wayne Swan

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Speaker 2: who runs Sea Bus, and of course there's no secret

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Speaker 2: that Wayne Swan has deep links into the union movement

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Speaker 2: and the Labor Party. Is he looking after this money

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Speaker 2: on behalf of Australians or looking after it on behalf

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Speaker 2: of the Labor Party.

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Speaker 1: And the new Would you seek to regulate industry funds

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Speaker 1: at any way?

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing we did when we're in government and

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Speaker 2: we've been pushing this in opposition to is more transparency

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Speaker 2: about how they perform and about how they spend Australians money.

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Speaker 2: And Labor took away some of that transparency as soon

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Speaker 2: We have pushed to re establish that transparency to make

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Speaker 2: respect and sadly we're seeing a failure on that and

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Speaker 2: we'll continue to hold those funds to account for those failures.

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Speaker 1: Angus Taylor is my guest, the shadow Federal Treasurer who's

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: Orcus and the nuclear powered submarine deal that we have

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Speaker 1: with the US. We've got Richard Marles in Adelaide today

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Speaker 1: on signing an agreement to start work at the shipyard.

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Speaker 1: This involves recruiting workers, developing schedules, setting the basis for

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Speaker 1: what is to come. Now. The agreement's in place, signed

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Speaker 1: by Scott Morrison, Joe Biden and the British PM at

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Speaker 1: the time, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump. What does that? Should

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Speaker 1: we be spending money and before we know what Trump's

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Speaker 1: intentions are, No, I.

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Speaker 2: Think we should be continuing down this track. I mean

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Speaker 2: This is an incredibly important alliance. It's an incredibly important initiative.

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Speaker 2: We initiated it in government, and it is bipartisan or

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Speaker 2: has been, so no one should be looking for an

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Speaker 2: excuse here to unwind it. In fact, quite the opposite.

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Speaker 2: We should be reconfirming it and strengthening it. If anything,

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Speaker 2: Trump knows that Asia is incredibly important to the United States,

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Speaker 2: and aucas is about making sure we have a secure

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Speaker 2: regent and Australia Hastant an incredibly important role to play

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Speaker 2: in that. So we'll continue to push down that line.

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Speaker 2: I certainly hope this Labor government does. It will be

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Speaker 2: on the Labor government to make sure that aucust remains strong.

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Speaker 2: It must do. It's so important to our safety and security,

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Speaker 2: and safety and security is the first job of any

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Speaker 2: good government, and so it's on the government to do that.

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Speaker 2: They will need to build this relationship with the new

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Speaker 2: administration in the United States fast. This is in our interest,

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Speaker 2: not just our security interest, but our economic interest. And

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Speaker 2: we'll get to tarifs paps, but we will. This is

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Speaker 2: this government needs to make the right moves and have

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Speaker 2: the right people in place to deliver those outcomes and

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Speaker 2: orcastras Central.

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Speaker 1: To that is Kevin Rudd the right person to have

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Speaker 1: in place? And let me just play a quick snippet

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Speaker 1: of this comment that has gone around the country in

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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: In the last four years has been run by a

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Speaker 3: village idiot competent international state craft and the United States

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Speaker 3: increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump.

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Speaker 1: The UK ambassador or the US ambassador, the British one

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Speaker 1: has resigned after his comments that he made about Trump

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Speaker 1: some time ago. Should Kevin Rudd throw in his white town?

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Speaker 2: Well, I tell you, the question for this government is

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Speaker 2: can they deliver with current team in place, including Kevin Ruight.

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Speaker 2: And what we'll be looking to is the outcomes. So

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Speaker 2: what outcomes should we be getting as we work with

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Speaker 2: this new administration. First, aucas, we've just talked about our

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Speaker 2: national security objectives and they should be aligned with the

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Speaker 2: United States because we both want to see a safe

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Speaker 2: and secure region where we live. But the second one

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Speaker 2: is can labor negotiate an appropriate outcome on tariff's It

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Speaker 2: is clear that Trump is going down the path of

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Speaker 2: putting tariffs in place. It also clear is he's a

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Speaker 2: negotiator and these can be negotiated as we did when

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Speaker 2: we were in government. And so the test for this

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Speaker 2: government is can they get a good outcome on tariffs

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Speaker 2: which are good for our exporters, good for those who

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Speaker 2: export to the United States, prevent a tariff war around

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Speaker 2: the world that impacts us. It's on labor to make

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Speaker 2: sure they deliver that outcome. We did it when we

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Speaker 2: were in government with Trump in there. So that's the test.

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Speaker 2: If Kevin Rhd's not the man to do it, he

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 1: So the rhetoric from Trump, you reckon, that's just rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: He's open to compromise, he'll take a deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a question for labor and for Kevin rud.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he clearly has to back away from those

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Speaker 2: completely unacceptable comments. He needs to do that. The real test, though,

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Speaker 2: is can they deliver the outcomes for the Australian people,

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Speaker 2: a safe and secure region and avoid imposition of unnecessary

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Speaker 2: tariffs on our exporters who are crucial to this state

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Speaker 2: in this country.

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Speaker 1: If the tariffs do come in, what would you if

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Speaker 1: you're elected next year, how would you combat the inflationary

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Speaker 1: effect of that, the effect of the economy on those tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Because they'd be quite harsh ultimate lyad to people exported.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why the first the first priority has to

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Speaker 2: be to negotiate with the Trump regime to ensure that

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Speaker 2: we don't get tariff's imposed on our exporters. That's got

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Speaker 2: to be the focus. I mean deal. If labor fail

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Speaker 2: on that, then obviously we'll have to deal with that,

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Speaker 2: but our focus.

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Speaker 1: Will be to be fair. Though that's out of the

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Speaker 1: government's hands to a degree. You can talk about it,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately Trump's making the call. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: a government and flowers and whatever. This is the sort

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Speaker 1: of government who will say it is out of their hands.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that, there's no question about I mean,

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Speaker 1: we saw the treasurer. I mean, he's hopeless, isn't he

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Speaker 1: the Treasurer. Come he's already making.

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Speaker 2: Excuses for not negotiating an appropriate outcome on the tariffs

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Speaker 2: because all he does is commentate. He's a commentator, not

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Speaker 2: an actor. I mean, he's he's supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: treasurer of this nation. This prime minister is supposed to

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Speaker 2: be the prime minister of this country. They should get

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Speaker 2: in there and negotiate with a negotiation.

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Speaker 1: But you've gone, You've gone to Trump. So you're the

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Speaker 1: Treasurer in six months time and you've gone to Trump

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Speaker 1: and he says, no the tariff state. What are you

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Speaker 1: going to do.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to accept those sort of hypotheticals. You

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Speaker 2: get in there and you sort it out and you

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Speaker 2: make sure you get a good outcome.

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Speaker 1: For Well, that's hypothetical too, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: No, Because that's we did it when we're in government.

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Speaker 2: I mean that, that is exactly the situation we were

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Speaker 2: in in government. You remember there were quite famous discussions

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Speaker 2: between the Prime Minister and Trump at the time exactly.

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Speaker 2: And you can do you know, if you know, if

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Speaker 2: you understand business, My background is in business. I came

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Speaker 2: out of a farming, farming background and worked in business

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Speaker 2: all of my career, and farming his business. Let's face it,

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Speaker 2: and you get good outcomes for your business, you get

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Speaker 2: good outcomes for your country. That's what your job is.

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Speaker 2: This treasure in, this Prime Minister doesn't seem to see

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Speaker 2: it that way. They should already be working out how

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Speaker 2: to get a good outcome for this country. And if

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Speaker 2: Kevin runs the wrong bloke to help them to do that,

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Speaker 2: they should deal with that but that's a question for them.

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Speaker 2: We need the outcomes, that's the.

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Speaker 1: Key, all right, Angus Taylor, really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Shadow Treasurer here in Adelaide today