1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: A triple header at the tribunal as North Melbourne tries 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: to be third time lucky, plus the first uppie contact 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: test case. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: And during the dark times, a new essident captain Zach Merritt, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: joins us and he calls for him to leave in 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: search of brighter horizons. 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: And Jeremy Howe's excellent season interrupted by injury will find 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: out how long the veteran Magpie expects to be sidelines. 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: We talked about his step into it, embrace all. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: Of it in the room and reason it's unedifying for 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: a senior coach to do that. They're on the side 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: of Courtia with the brain kape, the man on They 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: played the best footy I've ever seen at the start 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: of the season. And in the president left the cup, 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: I order said he, of course they do. Is the 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: stuff that legends are made of. 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: What is holding the ball? 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: that I could do. 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Something wrong, you know, And I need to get and 21 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: the boards. 22 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: Actually the fans lover and with no fans, no through 23 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: sixty year old. 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: It's coming at us from all angles this Tuesday night, 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and I do mean all angles. Dads welcome great to 26 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: be here. My favorite guaranty is when he strays farmer 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: chef it's a day show host or some little ardin's 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: big day. That's right. Penalty shootouts, yes, I've done them 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: this morning. 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: It was early. 31 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 2: This was not my finest. I'm not sure why we're 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: playing this eight for twenty six the West Indies. Scott 33 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: Bowlin's got two wickets in two balls. He's now bowling 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: to war a can with one, two, three, four slips, 35 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: a Galia leg slip and a short leg in he comes. 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: And the pony pony bone him. 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Trick that Scotty Bowler. What about that? The Victorian give 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: him up? 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: It's just disgraceful. That's first I've seen that, Jared. 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: That was very very early, good morning. The cricket was crazy. 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: I left the desk to get into the studio and 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: they were just starting their innings. They were three for 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: none by the time I had my cup and tea. 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: I work up exactly the right time, Turn on the telly, 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: turn on the ramble, and I got the whole lot 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: in one go. That was I'll give you a ring 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: that We're going to spend our summons together as well 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: as our winters think that's what that's the way. All right, 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: here's all we have lined up for you tonight. Our 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: players Zach Merritt and Jeremy Howe, who are both in 51 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: the news at the moment. Ray Chamberlain so Raze will 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: run his eye over what's Simo and Horse laid out 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: last Wednesday night. We're you at the tribunal in a 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: moment's time. The Midweek tackles all the news angles that 55 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: are running ahead of Round nineteen. Lauren Woodle guide the 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: way there, and then tomorrow night Simo and Horse are 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: back together. Jonathan Brown from Vegas and Jake Stringer, who's 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: about to come up against his old side. He's going 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: to join at. 60 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: The desk would be great. 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: Will and mon Conti will be here as well as 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: the AFLW tickets are about to go on sale. All right, guys, 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: the tribunal, i'd've been totally distracted. 64 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: You have been very fired up about this, so I'm interested. 65 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: So the agenda for a good few hours is going 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: to be based at the AFL Tribunal. It takes in 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: a few things, the first test case for umpire contact 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: and the direct referral. It's a key night for a Lyne. 69 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: That's has the greatest impact. I think the most contentious 70 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: case is Tristan Sherry. The North Melbourne side has been 71 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: on the wrong end of a few of these. They'll 72 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: try their luck again shortly. 73 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: Why good look nasty? 74 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: He's cold and that is not good news. 75 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: Sometimes accidents like that are going to happen. 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Whe interaction was excellent. 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Still in a great look. 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: When someone gets knocked and then forced to that floor, 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: he was probably guilty, but because it's an automatic three weaker, 80 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: I just wondered where the metriview panel, even the tribunal be. 81 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: Sir no, I'll tell the naughtyfy's Nordal three and trees 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: too much, and I reckon threes too much. 83 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: So that case Shortley Adam Chaer are the first to 84 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: go up direct referral to the tribunal for repeated to 85 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: umpire contact now Gaz. I've covered the Tribunal since I 86 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: was a cub reporter. I have seen high fast I've 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: been there when cases were cooked up in the lifts 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: with the chairman present. I have seen players blatantly lie 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: on purgare themselves. I have heard biomechanists invent the most 90 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: fanciful stories. I have seen character witnesses. I've seen submissions 91 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: from prime ministers to lower penalties. Tonight the tribunal has 92 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: reached new levels of high fast as they gribbled over 93 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: twelve hundred and fifty dollars with a panel of lawyers 94 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: who will shortly build for about thirty grand Shall we 95 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: get the detail? David Zena, welcome. 96 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: Hello, Jared Alok? Are you surely what? 97 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: Want? 98 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: I still do this? Jared oh On? 99 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 5: All right, So we spent just over an hour debating 100 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 5: over a twelve hundred and fifty dollars difference for Adam 101 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: Cherer and his fine for his latest careless umpire contact charge. 102 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: He pled guilty to that charge. 103 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 5: The standard fine for this offense a third or higher 104 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 5: offense will be five thousand dollars. The AFL wanted six thousand, 105 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty dollars. Carlton wanted the five thousand 106 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 5: dollars that normally goes down to three thousand, one hundred 107 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 5: and twenty five with an early plea that wasn't available 108 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 5: in this instance. They spoke about umpire contact, how many 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 5: times it's happened, and whatnot. This was I think everyone 110 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 5: was trying to get their bearings as to why they 111 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 5: were actually there. 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 3: We ultimately went to. 113 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 5: Deliberate, came back about forty minutes later and got a 114 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: five thousand, five hundred dollars fine for Adam Cherre. So 115 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 5: there is, after all that debate over the twelve hundred 116 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 5: and fifty thousand dollars difference, the Blues winning by about 117 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 5: seven hundred and fifty dollars. In the end, Jeff Gleeson said, 118 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 5: at the enormous to try and justify the hearing, we've 119 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 5: made it very clear notice to players with this hearing, 120 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 5: the players who report repeatedly commit the offense of careless 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 5: contact with an umpire will not necessarily benefit from just 122 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 5: an incrementally increased fine, or indeed that a fine will 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 5: always be the most appropriate sanction. So that's where it 124 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: was very quickly run and done, the five part of 125 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 5: a dollar fine, hand it out, and now we all. 126 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Move on, all right, So just wait there one tick. 127 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: So I don't dismiss the broader principle, which is important. 128 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: It has gone too far and the AFL is duty 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: bound to its umpires to find a way to reduce it. 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: The only way to do that is to confront players, 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: but to go into a tribunal hearing with two lawyers 132 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Gleeson, who's one of the country's most esteemed, the 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: two members of the jury and the admin staff of 134 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: which clubs are billed ten thousand dollars for a tribunal hearing. 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: And I'm going to say the AFL absorbs a bit 136 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: of cost to quibble over twelve hundred and fifty dollars 137 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: to set this principle. I don't think they have quite 138 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: achieved what they wanted to achieve. So I've got Carlton 139 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: winning by one hundred and twenty five dollars on this 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: spit split the difference. You want this, split the difference, 141 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: go home, and they gave Carldon the win by one 142 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five dollars. 143 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: You've left that skeeter Zita's massive soundarady to keep him 144 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: on either reporter, Come. 145 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: On, if you wanted to make a stand and the 146 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: standard is worth making, you had to leave the specter 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: of suspension on the table at least for a little while. 148 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: But that was withdrawn immediately. And this is just wasting 149 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: everybody's time. If you want to ramp the fines up, 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: just ride it into the guidelines. And ramp the fines 151 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: up is Harley Red got a ten thousand dollar fine yesterday, 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: but we couldn't see our way clear to deal with 153 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: this in any other way. High fast, you know, I 154 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: think you some fast. 155 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: You and David can get together after the show. 156 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: I think you've got more in you. I think you've 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: got a bit more to get stuff that interests just me. 158 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get into this is important for Friday night, 159 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: whether he's there for the Lions against the Dogs. David. 160 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 5: The Lions are trying to downgrade impact from medium to low. 161 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 5: This is a lot more stock standard than the case 162 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 5: that we just saw with Adam Cherra, so low would 163 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 5: be a fine rather than on my match. 164 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: Ban Ivy free to face the Bulldogs this week. 165 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: So they are going through their submissions at the moment. 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 5: Adrian Anderson representing the Lions and Andrew Woods representing the AFL, 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 5: so they're. 168 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: Just working through it currently. 169 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 5: Zach Bailey the AFL, saying that this was a bumper, 170 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 5: significant bump that had significant impact and potential to cause 171 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 5: injury to Nick Haynes. Adrian Anderson, on behalf of the Lions, 172 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 5: says that this is a bump to the body that 173 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 5: involved an incidental head clash, which they submit was low impact, 174 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 5: So that's where it's It's currently Zach Bailey can't attend 175 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 5: because of a personal matter, but that is the case 176 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 5: that he is putting forward via Adrian Anderson and the 177 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: Brisbane Lions team. 178 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: Gutfield Gazz he'll get off this. I think if he 179 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: had some sort of concussion symptoms then he'd be in trouble. 180 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: But I could see a case, I can see suation 181 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: where he gets off. This one just goes for players 182 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: to be The message out of all that is that 183 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: there was an unnecessary bump. Anyway, he's over the boundary 184 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: line and now you put yourself through this for a 185 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: couple of nights. But I suspect he might get off that. 186 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: All right. What do you expect from the Tristan Sherry case, 187 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: which is it's the most talked about of the cases tonight, David. 188 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I think it's either three or nothing, just 189 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 5: given how the system works at the moment, they have 190 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 5: to try and get it thrown out. So I think 191 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 5: with Sherry that they can try and point to the 192 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: fact that Christian Salem there's a push for joysim Pin. 193 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 5: Then pushes Tom Sparrow into potentially creating more velocity that 194 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 5: Tristan Cherry hits Tom Sparrow with it, then knocks him out, 195 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 5: So that could be their angle there to try and 196 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 5: get this thrown out and say this was outside of 197 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 5: circumstances that could have reasonably been foreseen. 198 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: As you mentioned. 199 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 5: Earlier, Drey, they've already had two fouled attempts at the tribunal, 200 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: this one the third, So ten thousand dollars out of 201 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: the soft cap each time for failed bids. They're going 202 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 5: to try and avoid it being thirty thousand. Tristan Cherry 203 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 5: facing a three match ban. 204 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: All right, check back when with you at the end 205 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: of the show. David Zita on duty and this is 206 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: not directed at zeit's but we are all the dumber. 207 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: What has happened about the tribe of the Already tonight 208 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: you had one more. There are clubs who are afflicted 209 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: by injury in the middle of July, and Essendon has 210 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: been the poster child for that. Port adelaide A now 211 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: not too far behind with an ever growing injury list. 212 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: In the final days of the ken Hinckley Rain, They've 213 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: got a grudge match against Hawthorne, which is running out 214 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: of path, and then they've got a showdown for the 215 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: final time for Ken the lead port into Battle. 216 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 6: In the coming two weeks, there's some games coming up 217 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 6: that everyone's going to have some sort of story around 218 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 6: different bits, and particularly for me, I'm only got six 219 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 6: plus hopefully, but six games to go. You know, if 220 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 6: you look through the fixture of Hawthorne, Adelaide, Geelong teams 221 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 6: that I've been involved with Gold Coast even in the 222 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 6: last round Free oh Josh, you know, there's lots of stories. 223 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 6: They are stories, But ultimately, I just want us to 224 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 6: play well. I don't care who we play, what sort 225 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 6: of jumper they are wearing. I just want us to 226 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 6: come out and give it good account of ourselves. Doesn't 227 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 6: mean we're going to win every game, but the realities 228 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 6: if we can play and be consistent about our actions, 229 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: that's all I'm focusing on. 230 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: The whole year has been this peculiar holding pattern, which 231 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: you identified before they played even their first game. How 232 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: are they enduring in the middle of winter? 233 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: But it's kind of too late now to even get 234 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: to the stage. I love the language that Ken uses. 235 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: All I think about is Ken in this situation because 236 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: of the loyalty and the service that he's given. But 237 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: it's kind of like the coach that gets sacked and 238 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: then stays, I know it's not sacked. It's a succession plan. 239 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: So it's all semantics. But it's been a tough year 240 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: for him. And now Chad Corns goes, the enormously popular 241 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: player who's got great connections with the players. He's been 242 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: told by the incoming coach that he's no longer there. 243 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: So you've got a coach, You've got an incoming coach 244 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: and assistant coach. Two are not going to be there. 245 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: The players are looking at the coach and the Chad 246 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: and then they're looking at Josh Carr. 247 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: They had the makings of. 248 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 2: This, and then Kenny's bravely saying that Hawthorn the grudge. 249 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: There's the showdown, there's the geelong connection. I wonder whether 250 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, if they get bold over by Hawthorn, then 251 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: then they're technically or mathematically can't make it. 252 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: Whether the showdown wouldn't be. 253 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: A time because I suspect that, you know, at the 254 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 2: end of the day, Josh car wants to get going. 255 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: Now they may be handling it much better than we 256 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: think they are. Well, I'm assuming, but I would imagine 257 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: he just wants to get his hands on We either 258 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: got decisions to make on players recruiting and where to 259 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, where they want to have a look at 260 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: players between now and then. And I'm sure Ken not 261 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 2: standing in the way that. But it's been a boody 262 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: hard situation. 263 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: He's carried himself with a norm and dignity in a 264 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: circumstance that I still think is well beyond his control. 265 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: And that injury list now is you're desperately searching for 266 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: a sense of purpose and clinging to mathematical possibility, and 267 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: you know, matches, what can you draw out one last lap? 268 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: I take exception with one thing he said that in 269 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: terms of this scrudge match, while Zach Butters is alive, 270 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: there's a grudge to be had, don't You'll find a 271 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: way to get into about eight scraps against Hawthorn, irrespective 272 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: of how the results go. 273 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: All right, last night's Spirit on a Couch was just 274 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: excellent to see Lee, Matthews and Mike setting back together. 275 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: So we dedicate tonight's furnace to them. 276 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: Let's switch channels. This show is dull. 277 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: You bet, how have you enjoyed being back on the couch? 278 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 7: I didn't know i'd left. 279 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: What is that? 280 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: It looks like two ancient old guys sitting in a 281 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 4: theater Bark's watching television. Weren't crazy, No one would watch 282 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: junk like that. 283 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 7: I can't believe the decline in the Carbon Football club. 284 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 7: In the thirty years since ninety ninety five the last premiership, 285 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 7: they've finished bottom six sixteen times. My own unofficial. 286 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: View is I got to be official in a sec. 287 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 7: Calvien didn't care in the old days if that had problem, 288 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 7: they got the brown paper bag, filled it up, went 289 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 7: into state. 290 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 4: You mean you can't buy premierships in this century? 291 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: That is the bottom line of it all. 292 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 4: Like the is the bottom of the ladder and they've 293 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 4: got more money than you're like a snicker. 294 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: So Graham Wright comes into this football. 295 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 7: Coright, it must be pair of the musicians. 296 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: What's what's the first thing on his list to do that? 297 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 5: Well? 298 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: They followed grand right. 299 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 7: I'd ring Ned Kelly and say can I come back 300 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 7: to Collingwood? 301 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: What I wouldn't be saying to the umpires coaches? You 302 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: coach them to do what we want them to do. 303 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Not what you want them to do. 304 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 7: It's a different game. I mean you played it the 305 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 7: boy near background. It was just people who love football, 306 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 7: love watching the best players play, and the AFL were 307 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 7: clever enough, we're lucky enough to have locket and done 308 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 7: still commit to play. And then everyone followed suit because 309 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 7: the big boys were in ninety thousand people in the game, 310 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 7: and then they just discontinued. It was just an abominable decision. 311 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: He's a big strong man, but most of the strength 312 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: at the moment, or most of them, it is in a. 313 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: False Bavado who abuse. 314 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: He sort of getting involved in verbal stuff. 315 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: In terms of age and experience on the couch. 316 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 7: We've gone basically from Essendon to Collingwood over. 317 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: I'd take that la spirit of course. Oh, michae Will 318 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: not a problem at all. Didn't go for perrym and 319 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: the Magician. I haven't heard half of the things he said. 320 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: I think he dated a lovely turn of phrase. 321 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: He has all right, bit a. 322 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: Real overreaction from that. Carlton don't know how to be 323 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: successful anymore. 324 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going with overreaction given that they played finals 325 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: last year in a prelim two years ago, so you know, 326 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: they jumped out of the blocks against we all thought 327 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: it was going to be a cart and Collingwood Grand Final. 328 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: That's only year, well just over two years ago. But 329 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: in terms of how this season's nutfolding, it's all going 330 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: pair shape. But I suspect they know, but it's just 331 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: not working out for it. But they did play. Now 332 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: if they played finals last year in a prelium in 333 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, that's probably why we were as staggered 334 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: as we are. It's time for the AFL to get 335 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: control of the umpire's back. 336 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: Yes, I really like this from Lee Matthews. I have 337 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: felt in line with Lee all the way through this year. 338 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: So it isn't for the umpiring Department to decide to 339 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: crack down on the fifteen meter kick, which seemed to 340 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: be what was alluded to in the interviews we did 341 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: the weeks back. The stand rule, it's your obligation to 342 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: enforce it. It's not optional as to whether you can 343 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: figure it out or not. So I think the tension 344 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: between the umpiring Department and the administration has been very 345 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: real for reasons that we understand in Perth. That needs 346 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: to come to an end as soon as Greg Swan 347 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: gets in there, and then the AFL needs to seize 348 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: control back of it at the end of the year 349 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: and absolutely dictate this is what we expect. And then 350 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: I think we'll talk about this with Ray. I love 351 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: the points similar and horse made. There has to be 352 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: a project undertaken to simplify the rules. 353 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, streamline. 354 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: It just has to happen, and that's the AFL's responsibility. 355 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: The big boys can reignite origin. Yeah, that is real. 356 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: I mean the players need to take control of this 357 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: and continue to push it really hard. So they mentioned 358 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: Plugger and Dunstall. I don't know where they were driving it, 359 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: but they said yes, and that's all you needed. So 360 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: this this incarnation is Bontan Pali and it's Tacos and 361 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: it's Pendlebury. 362 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: Pendlebury would play. 363 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: For Victoria if this was yeah, you'd just pick him 364 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: because he would drive the standards crips for West Australia. 365 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: Get all those big names involved, and we've talked to 366 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: all of them. We had Tobe Green last week, was 367 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: that this week? Last week he said absolutely. 368 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: He's in too. 369 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: Miller said he could wait. So everyone we talked to 370 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: says they're in. So if they're driving it passionately. This 371 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: is a real chance. 372 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: His use of abominable decision was outstanding. 373 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: The last one to you, Harley is all false, bravado. 374 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: I think this is right. 375 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: I think this is real. So I was the first 376 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: eight to ten weeks of Harley Reen, when he just 377 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: arrived like this phenom. He was the most popular player 378 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: in the laitue for the way that he conducted himself. 379 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: He's a long way from that. I was thinking back 380 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: from what Andrew macquantas said. I wonder if Harley should 381 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: go back and just watch the way he started, watch 382 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: those highlights and the joy of the game that he 383 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: embodied in the first ten weeks. And then for all 384 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: sorts of reasons, it's got hard and he's done everything 385 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: other than playing, and he's doing the plane as well. 386 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: I didn't actually mean to say that, is but a nut. 387 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: Stop trying to unpiling it now, stop getting in the 388 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: street fights along the way, and get back to the 389 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: joyful footy that was in his first ten weeks, which 390 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: was so I cap. 391 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: I know exactly the game. You can get the Melbourne 392 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: game out, where is stiff arm petraca stiff armed Oliver 393 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: and then went and kicked the goal. 394 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: It was a goal of the year and then it 395 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: was close enough to it. So that's a great idea. 396 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know the players around him. 397 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: He just he needs a strong hand around him and 398 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: for whatever reason, it's not there at the moment. I 399 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: could you know, we talk about I pook Am at 400 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: Penderbury all the time, or Dangerfield, those sorts of players. 401 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: Imagine if he had one of them who just pulled 402 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: him aside the right time, it had a word in 403 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: his ears. So it can be changed. Have a big 404 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: six weeks, finish strong and win some fans back. 405 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's bring out players him who are in 406 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: the news this week. Zach Merritt has been much discussed. 407 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: Here is the Essendon captain in some pretty bleak times 408 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: for the Bombers, and Jeremy how is trying to have 409 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: his stellar season interrupted by groin injury. We'll find out 410 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: a bit more next 411 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 4: See are all Lose on Grease