Speaker 1: I could not have done Hamilton, any of it, the auditions,
Speaker 1: the show without Rob's support and being a constant soundboard
Speaker 1: and cheerleader for me.
Speaker 2: I feel like if it wasn't for Chloe, there's a
Speaker 2: good chance I probably wouldn't be a performer anymore. But
Speaker 2: we live in a performer's household, you know. We call
Speaker 2: each other. We talk to each other about performing issues
Speaker 2: and maintaining our career and our mental health around it.
Speaker 3: Welcome to separate bathrooms. I'm Ali Dado.
Speaker 4: And this is my husband Cameroon.
Speaker 3: Cameroon Dado. Are you doing your Spanish self today or
Speaker 3: whatever that is being the actor that you are.
Speaker 5: We are talking to two actors, Chloe Zuel and Rob Mallett.
Speaker 5: They're married, They've been married for a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Chloe is currently starring as Eliza Hamilton in Hamilton. Holy Moly,
Speaker 5: is this woman incredible. She has starred as Katherine of
Speaker 5: Aragon in six She's done a nice in West Side Story,
Speaker 5: just to name a few. She's incredibly talented, and she's
Speaker 5: married to a very talented fellow.
Speaker 4: Rob Mallett, who really for me. We met a few
Speaker 4: years ago we did the Rocky Horror show, and it
Speaker 4: was evident to me after about two weeks of rehearsals
Speaker 4: that we were brothers from another mother. It was a
Speaker 4: terrific bloke. Chloe and I worked together in Legally Blonde
Speaker 4: a number of years ago, and these two, when I
Speaker 4: heard they got together, We're just like, Oh, what a
Speaker 4: perfect what a perfect dexter would have given him a ten.
Speaker 3: They would have been sent to Stradbog Island, they would
Speaker 3: have gotten down.
Speaker 4: They are joining us today in the bathroom to talk
Speaker 4: about all things early relationship. They've got a young marriage there,
Speaker 4: separated at the moment because of COVID. Rob's in Tazzy,
Speaker 4: Chloe's at home in Sydney. Let's bring him into the bathroom. Hi,
Speaker 4: Chloe and Rob. Well the conversation.
Speaker 3: How often do you guys zoom each other? You're in
Speaker 3: separate states, right, Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2: We're zooming each other pretty regularly at the moment. I'm
Speaker 2: currently in hotel quarantine in Tazzy and clothes in lockdown
Speaker 2: in Sydney. So we're on the blower to each other
Speaker 2: pretty regularly at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you two actually meet?
Speaker 2: We were shown nance, so we met on Lams.
Speaker 4: We first met in hang I say that slowly you
Speaker 4: were a what come on?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 4: We were, Well, I'm only saying I'm saying that for
Speaker 4: our listener. I'm saying that for our listener because they
Speaker 4: don't understand.
Speaker 2: That, Tracy, and but a show nance is a relationship
Speaker 2: that blossoms on a show. But actually is the definition
Speaker 2: for show nance a romance? It only exists within the show.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if so, we're not. I think it
Speaker 2: is okay. So we met on Lane, I think.
Speaker 1: And because I think everyone was calling it a showmance
Speaker 1: and we were like, it's not a show mat with
Speaker 1: a real deal.
Speaker 6: See we proved it.
Speaker 4: So what was the show again?
Speaker 2: Leni's Arb which we started in twenty fourteen and toured.
Speaker 2: So we were fast friends when we started rehearsals in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: but then took a while to find each other and flourish.
Speaker 2: But then, yeah, we were lucky enough to then be
Speaker 2: on tour with each other for a good year and
Speaker 2: then have never worked together since.
Speaker 5: Is that probably a good thing, do you think in
Speaker 5: relationship wise, when you've got two actors in the family
Speaker 5: or would it be a good or?
Speaker 3: I guess I would say, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like we worked well together
Speaker 2: then and we Yeah, it's hard to know, given that
Speaker 2: we've never worked together since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd love to do a show with Rob I
Speaker 1: love I'd love it for so many reasons, Like I
Speaker 1: really respect him as an actor and a performer, so
Speaker 1: I would love to be on the floor with him,
Speaker 1: watching him work and you know, playing off each other.
Speaker 6: I would love that, And I would love to have.
Speaker 1: A shared experience again, Yeah, because I think that's really beautiful.
Speaker 1: And the logistical part of it, which is that you
Speaker 1: get to live together and be in the same place,
Speaker 1: which is not, as you both know, not always the
Speaker 1: case when you're working. It's often you get this great
Speaker 1: job and this great opportunity, but the compromise, the sacrifice,
Speaker 1: is that you're away from your family and your partner.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 3: What was the attraction for both of you to each other?
Speaker 2: Take it away?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's me first.
Speaker 1: Okay, It's hard to explain, I think because we instantly
Speaker 1: became friends, and you know when you just you can
Speaker 1: net with someone and you instantly know like, oh, this
Speaker 1: this person is my people. You know. There was like
Speaker 1: a night really early on maybe week two of rehearsals,
Speaker 1: or week one that we all went out and got
Speaker 1: dinner and Rob and I just chatted for the whole
Speaker 1: night and really got along and shared the same views.
Speaker 1: And then we were the only people at work that
Speaker 1: brought our own lunch to rehearsals, Like everyone else would
Speaker 1: go out for lunch and we would always bring our own.
Speaker 1: So we're always in the green room together just hanging
Speaker 1: out and chatting. And yeah, I think that's what made
Speaker 1: us friends. Initially, we just we were kind of like magnets.
Speaker 1: We just worked as as a team as friends. And
Speaker 1: then I think, I don't, I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: it felt like overnight we went from being friends to like, oh,
Speaker 1: hold on, is this friendship or is this something else?
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 6: I don't know, Roch totally.
Speaker 2: I agree. It grew completely organically, and you know, next
Speaker 2: time and we're sharing Spotify playlists and you know, developing
Speaker 2: all these sort of mutual interests and passions.
Speaker 4: How's navigating the separation? You know, you've only been you've
Speaker 4: been married two years, but obviously you've been you were
Speaker 4: dating a bit longer than that. And how's that been
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, thankfully We've got plenty of practice of it.
Speaker 2: But unfortunately this period, you know, is as just messy
Speaker 2: as you know, the whole situation that we're in at
Speaker 2: the moment, given that we're going to have to now
Speaker 2: spend eight, nine, ten weeks apart or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and we've never had to do that, and we've worked
Speaker 2: all across the world, you know, I've spent periods of
Speaker 2: months in Japan, and Chloe's done cruise ships through Asia
Speaker 2: and tours in Germany and blah blah blah, and yet
Speaker 2: we've still managed to make it work. We've never spent
Speaker 2: more than about four weeks apart. If we're touring within Australia,
Speaker 2: we always.
Speaker 1: In seven years we've spent maximum five weeks, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we're touring within a pretty make sure that
Speaker 2: it's a fortnightly trip to see each other. And you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that we're going to have to spend the
Speaker 2: longest time in part and we're only Sydney to Hobart
Speaker 2: is outrageous. But anyway, it's just the side of the times. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: how do we manage constant communication? And yeah, just making
Speaker 2: that sacrifice to get on a plane and go see
Speaker 2: each other. You know, it's critical.
Speaker 1: I mean, how are we managing at the moment? I
Speaker 1: complain a lot, and it's only been two weeks. It's
Speaker 1: so boring, you know, like having your best friend and
Speaker 1: the person that you want to spend all your time
Speaker 1: with on the other end of a phone.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I mean in.
Speaker 1: Saying that we're so lucky that we have FaceTime and
Speaker 1: text and it's not a phone call or a letter.
Speaker 1: Very grateful for it, but it's like so close but
Speaker 1: so far, And I think when I think about the
Speaker 1: fact that it's nine or ten weeks, I feel really overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: So for me, I need to just stay present and
Speaker 1: stay in the moment and not think about, oh god,
Speaker 1: what is to be like next week when he's really
Speaker 1: busy and working and I'm just staring at my wall
Speaker 1: at home in Sydney in week twelve of lockdown.
Speaker 6: I just sort of have to do.
Speaker 1: It day by day and be grateful for the facetimes
Speaker 1: that we get and know that it's just a short
Speaker 1: amount of time in the grand scheme of our lives together.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Rob, luckily you're I mean, even though it's separated,
Speaker 5: you both you're in Tazzi.
Speaker 3: You're able to work. Chloe.
Speaker 5: You are the lead in Hamilton, which we saw opening night,
Speaker 5: and you are beyond spectacular by the way. You just
Speaker 5: so phenomenal. How has COVID impacted you, because I know
Speaker 5: Hamilton has come to a standstill.
Speaker 3: How has that felt for you?
Speaker 1: I don't know how it felt for you. Guys that
Speaker 1: first week when we went into lockdown. Are you both
Speaker 1: in Sydney?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so you remember how it was.
Speaker 1: It felt a little bit like, Okay, cool, it's just
Speaker 1: going to be this week or next week and then
Speaker 1: we'll be out of it. It's a bit of a
Speaker 1: precautionary lockdown. And so, to be really honest, I think
Speaker 1: Hamilton is a lot harder than it looks. I found
Speaker 1: it very difficult to manage doing the eight shows a week.
Speaker 1: I was really run down and desperately needed a break.
Speaker 1: So honestly, my first reaction was like, oh God, I
Speaker 1: really need this one week break, you know, just one
Speaker 1: week off and I'll be back. And then even two
Speaker 1: weeks it was like, Okay, one week off and then
Speaker 1: I'll just work on some things for the show and
Speaker 1: I'll be going back. And I didn't go and get
Speaker 1: anything from my dressing room. I just thought i'd be
Speaker 1: back to work really soon. As we know, the two
Speaker 1: weeks past and it has gone on and on and on,
Speaker 1: and it became very clear early on that it was
Speaker 1: going to be for the long term, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like we both had day around a month in.
Speaker 1: I think it was around when the protests were on
Speaker 1: and we felt really weighed down by the situation and
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh God, we're back here again. But
Speaker 1: I've actually come to terms with the fact that this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing, and I flipped it and used
Speaker 1: this time to rest rejuvenate, and you know, I know
Speaker 1: that we will be back. I know that Hamilton will
Speaker 1: come back. Whereas last Lockdown that wasn't the case. I
Speaker 1: was doing six and Everything, six the musical I'm in
Speaker 1: and after a few months of rehearsing and opening the
Speaker 1: show in Sydney, the show closed and COVID happened and
Speaker 1: we never went back. And so last Lockdown I was
Speaker 1: doing it with nothing at the other side of it,
Speaker 1: whereas this I know I have something to look forward to,
Speaker 1: something to work towards, and I know we'll be back.
Speaker 1: So I think I just have a different perspective.
Speaker 6: I'm very lucky.
Speaker 1: You know, we're here in Sydney, in our place in
Speaker 1: Clovellly I live. My five kilometer radius is COULDI Beach, Bronti, Bondai,
Speaker 1: Clovelli Centennial Park. I can walk to all of those places,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel grateful for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it like, Rob? Because I know we
Speaker 4: texted before Chloe went on that night and you were excited.
Speaker 4: I didn't actually get to speak to you that night.
Speaker 4: How was How was that moment when your wife appeared
Speaker 4: on stage?
Speaker 2: It's kind of surreal, isn't it. Like you know, Chloe
Speaker 2: and I often say this that we have been super
Speaker 2: fans of Hamilton since, you know, we first heard it
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen or whatever it was, and we still are,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's kind of rare that, you know,
Speaker 2: we've listened to that soundtrack so many times and we
Speaker 2: know the show intimately now and yet we still are
Speaker 2: such fans of the work. And yeah, it's huge, psychonic
Speaker 2: and it's surreal to be so close to it, you know,
Speaker 2: and to see Chloe's work like it's just such a
Speaker 2: credit to her to get the role and to be
Speaker 2: so Yeah, the work just speaks for itself, if for
Speaker 2: anyone who is able to see her in it.
Speaker 1: You said, Babe that you felt sick before you came
Speaker 1: to the show because it was the first time you
Speaker 1: were seeing Hamilton.
Speaker 2: Was that that? Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you were sitting in the food court feeling
Speaker 1: sick about just being nervous to me and nervous for
Speaker 1: the first time you're seeing this show that you love.
Speaker 4: Of course, thanks for bringing the real stuff in.
Speaker 2: Expectations. I know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I always feel sick when I go when
Speaker 5: it's opening night. For you, I get it's that nervousness.
Speaker 5: I'm really really excited.
Speaker 3: But I mean I'm not in the industry at all.
Speaker 3: But so you guys know it much better than I do.
Speaker 5: But I always feel really like, oh, my stomach is
Speaker 5: not for you.
Speaker 4: So I always give you good reason to feel that
Speaker 4: way because I'm so bloody.
Speaker 2: Insecure, aren't we all?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 6: Are you?
Speaker 4: Do you guys feel like that.
Speaker 1: I could not have done Hamilton, any of it that auditions,
Speaker 1: the show without Rob's support and being a constant soundboard
Speaker 1: and cheerleader for me the whole time, the whole time everything.
Speaker 1: You know, I will come home and talk about a
Speaker 1: scene and chat through different ideas about it and we
Speaker 1: talk it through. And I mean when I auditioned for Hamilton,
Speaker 1: it was the second part of it was all via
Speaker 1: tapes and that was I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you two go with self tapes, but the two of us.
Speaker 6: Do not go well.
Speaker 1: And we had this really big, high pressure thing that
Speaker 1: we were doing in lockdown in Tasmania last year and
Speaker 1: I was stressed and Rob was trying to help me
Speaker 1: with it, and yeah, I couldn't do it without Rob.
Speaker 1: And so that's why he probably felt nervous because he
Speaker 1: knew intimately how I was feeling about that moment.
Speaker 3: And are you are you the same? Rob?
Speaker 2: Does?
Speaker 3: Does Chloe support you with your She does?
Speaker 2: She does. I mean it's worth noting the closest we've
Speaker 2: ever come to divorce is self tag Oh my god,
Speaker 2: they're disasters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we hate those stuff. We stopped doing them together,
Speaker 1: but then in lockdowns.
Speaker 6: You have no choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 5: Did I I think I read somewhere Chloe that you
Speaker 5: for this role of Eliza in Hamilton, that you had
Speaker 5: like like a picture board and you had intentions, set
Speaker 5: a vision, board, and can you tell us about that
Speaker 5: and tell us what that meant to you and how
Speaker 5: that worked for clearly it was this success.
Speaker 1: But it's funny, isn't it. You Know, people talk about
Speaker 1: manifesting a lot. It's kind of like a cool hip
Speaker 1: thing to say over the last few years. And honestly,
Speaker 1: there was a point maybe four years ago. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think it was just after lamy Is where I
Speaker 1: desperately wanted to be Princess Jasmine in Aladdin and I
Speaker 1: thought that I was manifesting that I don't know what
Speaker 1: I was doing, but I don't I wasn't doing it
Speaker 1: right anyway. I didn't get that role and I didn't
Speaker 1: get another role, both in the same day. And it
Speaker 1: was this really overwhelming day for me because it was
Speaker 1: the first time that I'd been able to submit for
Speaker 1: a lead role because it specifically both of them were
Speaker 1: specifically ethnically diverse, and I felt like if I couldn't
Speaker 1: get either of those roles, then I may as well
Speaker 1: just give up. And I was angry at manifesting and
Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't work. I tried really hard,
Speaker 1: it sucks, and I was, you know, called rob crying
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to quit. I'm over it, I'm done
Speaker 1: with the industry.
Speaker 6: Rob talked me off the ledge, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he said, you're more than your work, and he
Speaker 1: brought me a bunch of beautiful flowers and you know,
Speaker 1: let me cry for a long time. And so after that,
Speaker 1: I stopped sort of putting things out there that I
Speaker 1: wanted because I think I was scared of it. And
Speaker 1: then when it came to Hamilton, I think it was
Speaker 1: around two thoy and sixteen or seventeen, I was like,
Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm going to be in that show.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I feel like that. I feel
Speaker 1: almost detached from the feeling. It's just like a knowing.
Speaker 1: And I felt brave enough with some encouragement from a
Speaker 1: friend to put it on a vision board.
Speaker 6: It was the first time i'd made a vision.
Speaker 1: Board, and she was really into it, and I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it with you. We'll do it on New's Eve.
Speaker 1: And so we made these vision boards and I put
Speaker 1: Hamilton all over it. I actually put a different role.
Speaker 1: I put Angelica on there because I thought that's what
Speaker 1: I was right for, and just Hamilton in general put
Speaker 1: that on my vision board and that was twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: I think. And then I also wrote a note in
Speaker 1: my phone saying I can't even remember what it was, like,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that I got the role in Hamilton,
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, writing like a thank you to
Speaker 1: the universe letter, and that sat in my phone for
Speaker 1: a few years as well. So that's the first time
Speaker 1: since the big letdown that I had put all of
Speaker 1: my hope and manifesting into one show, one role. And
Speaker 1: it is kind of a testament to manifesting something that
Speaker 1: just you can manifest it, but it's going to come
Speaker 1: to you in whatever way it's meant to come to you.
Speaker 1: Like I really thought that I was Angelica, but it
Speaker 1: turns out I wasn't. I'm very much an Eliza and
Speaker 1: it just came to me in a different way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the last bit you just said, then
Speaker 4: be open to the different ways that it can happen,
Speaker 4: because we get so I do anyway I get. I
Speaker 4: can get very specific about manifesting, and then when it
Speaker 4: doesn't look like I think it's going to in my mind,
Speaker 4: I feel like I miss it sometimes because it's happened
Speaker 4: in a different way. But I've gone, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard something once that it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: manifesting is like going to a restaurant and ordering exactly
Speaker 1: what you want, but then being happy with whatever comes out.
Speaker 1: So you put out a specific order of what you
Speaker 1: would like, but then you let go of the result
Speaker 1: of what it actually will turn out to be. But
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Cam, you know, it's things are
Speaker 1: happening around it, and you sometimes miss it because you're
Speaker 1: so focused on that one specific thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like.
Speaker 4: The idea of a you order a steak sandwich and
Speaker 4: it comes deconstructed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: Are you are you similar in that way?
Speaker 3: Rob? Are you a manifesto?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm sort of naturally a bit skeptic of all
Speaker 2: of this stuff traditionally, but you know, it's in the earth.
Speaker 2: Then one of my huge kind of growth areas with
Speaker 2: Chloe that she's brought me alongside lots of stuff. And
Speaker 2: you know what I've come to realize is that And
Speaker 2: you know, New Year's Eve just gone. We sat and
Speaker 2: we did our vision boards and they hang in our
Speaker 2: bedrooms currently bedroom. Sorry, we do have one bedroom.
Speaker 4: Separate your separate bedrooms at the moment, but what.
Speaker 2: I've kind of realize is that really it is just
Speaker 2: another way of goal setting, you know, and so many
Speaker 2: people so often just have this notion of I want
Speaker 2: to succeed, I want to particularly performing, It's like I
Speaker 2: want to get a show, I want to get a lead.
Speaker 2: It just it demands you to be specific. What show,
Speaker 2: what lead? What are you going to do to get it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And why?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I loved about both of you when we were
Speaker 4: working together, Rob and I had a romance. You guys
Speaker 4: had your showmance. We had a romance there in Adelaide
Speaker 4: doing Rocky Horror. You both are very dedicated to to
Speaker 4: what you do in this Australia. In industry, we have
Speaker 4: to be diverse, don't we. We have to be able
Speaker 4: to be nimble and jump from one like from TV
Speaker 4: as you say, to stage two, cabaret, whatever it is
Speaker 4: to stay working. Because there are difficult times in our game,
Speaker 4: and you guys have both experienced the tougher times. Tell
Speaker 4: us about some of those and how you navigate those.
Speaker 2: I feel like Clo and I navigate it both very
Speaker 2: differently and wear some of those things differently. I feel
Speaker 2: like I just have a naturally kind of healthy level
Speaker 2: of stolicism that are able to kind of cop some
Speaker 2: of those setbacks and move on. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I have my fair share of meltdowns as well. But
Speaker 2: you know, there's some sort of sayings that hang in
Speaker 2: the back of my head that I constantly have to
Speaker 2: remind myself, which is that you know, for every opportunity
Speaker 2: that doesn't come your way, there is something bigger just
Speaker 2: around the corner. That is so often the case, even
Speaker 2: though you know, months into these kind of dark periods
Speaker 2: where we just miss out on gig after gig after gig,
Speaker 2: we're constantly like, where is this opportunity coming? But invariably
Speaker 2: it does come each other. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 2: I feel like, if it wasn't for Chloe, there's a
Speaker 2: good chance I probably wouldn't be a performer anymore. But
Speaker 2: we live in a performer's household, you know, we call
Speaker 2: each other, We talk to each other about performing issues
Speaker 2: and maintaining our career and our mental health around it.
Speaker 1: So it would be such a shame if you weren't
Speaker 1: a performer anymore, because you're so good and you've got
Speaker 1: so much more to share. So I think I probably
Speaker 1: bully you into persisting sometimes, But I'm not like, I'm
Speaker 1: not apologizing for it because I think while you are
Speaker 1: someone that is so versatile, and you are that person
Speaker 1: that is good at everything. You know, you went from
Speaker 1: picking apples last year to being a mechanic and what else,
Speaker 1: Like every job that you do you're very good at.
Speaker 1: I just think you've got time to do that.
Speaker 2: Thanks, that's very kind. I think, you know, I suffer
Speaker 2: a bit from that comparison thing. You know, I look
Speaker 2: at guys I went to school with and stuff. Who
Speaker 2: are you know, owning businesses and successful, and you just
Speaker 2: it's hard. I remember signing Lise and theater. I think
Speaker 2: to us once early on in Lame Is, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to feel like we are adults as actors.
Speaker 2: You know, you sort of trap sing in and playing
Speaker 2: dress ups and it's very unglamorous backstage, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's meaningful work and all that stuff, but it really
Speaker 2: it feels like you're always sitting at the kiddie table
Speaker 2: at Christmas dinner. You know, you never kind of get
Speaker 2: to sit with the adults. So it's those things that
Speaker 2: you know, there's a cost, a personal cost sometimes when
Speaker 2: you go through these long periods of rejection and yeah, underemployment.
Speaker 4: I mean you've touched on some great things there. I
Speaker 4: agree with you about the acting feeling a bit childlike
Speaker 4: because we're told what to say, we're told what to wear,
Speaker 4: we're told when we can go and have a break,
Speaker 4: all those things you're needed. Now, come stand here, say
Speaker 4: those lines, wear these clothes, and go home. And sometimes
Speaker 4: we get paid a lot of money. A lot of
Speaker 4: times that money has to stretch over months and months,
Speaker 4: and people don't understand that.
Speaker 5: Is it too personal a question to ask if children
Speaker 5: are in the future for you too?
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I hope so. But I think something we've
Speaker 1: talked about a lot actually about what it means for
Speaker 1: a woman in the industry to have a baby. It's
Speaker 1: not as simple as just taking some time off work.
Speaker 1: For a woman in music theater. I can only speak
Speaker 1: to that because that's just what I know. I would
Speaker 1: assume I wouldn't in my costumes, knowing the show and
Speaker 1: knowing my costumes, I wouldn't be able to work past
Speaker 1: four months pregnant. And then I'm not sure what do
Speaker 1: you do from four months until when the baby's born?
Speaker 1: When you're not able to earn an income and then
Speaker 1: once you've had the baby, there's no job to go
Speaker 1: back to you. I mean, maybe there's a job to
Speaker 1: go back to if you happen to be in a
Speaker 1: long running show and they're willing to bring you back,
Speaker 1: or if you audition while you're pregnant and happen to
Speaker 1: get a job in something that you can go into,
Speaker 1: but that's not always the case. So I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to be willing to not work for a
Speaker 1: year or two, or be okay with not working for
Speaker 1: a year or two, and be prepared for what that
Speaker 1: means for us financially. And then we need to be
Speaker 1: ready to take jobs when they come, not be picky
Speaker 1: and choosy about the jobs that come. So we need
Speaker 1: to be at a point in our careers where we're
Speaker 1: okay to do that for both of us. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a lot more there's a lot more thought
Speaker 1: that has to be put into planning a baby for
Speaker 1: us as actors, I think than maybe the regular person.
Speaker 1: And for things like you know, if Rob has a
Speaker 1: job and I get off at a job and we
Speaker 1: have a baby and we're touring, how does that work?
Speaker 1: And you know, can my mum come with us? Or
Speaker 1: is Rob willing to not work so that I can
Speaker 1: work and vice versa. It's a longer conversation and I
Speaker 1: think it will take some time planning, and I know
Speaker 1: that you can never be ready and all those things,
Speaker 1: but it's something that's been in our proofery for a while.
Speaker 1: It's just working out how to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're really I mean, as you say, if
Speaker 5: you worked in a company, an office job or whatever,
Speaker 5: there's there's maternity leave, there's job security, there's everything that,
Speaker 5: but the entertainment industry doesn't have anything like that, including
Speaker 5: you know, COVID payments as far as I understand too,
Speaker 5: So it's it's something that I think a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't understand. You know, it looks all this glamorous, rich,
Speaker 5: wealthy lifestyle in so many ways, but you know, as
Speaker 5: you were saying too, Rob, behind the scenes is so
Speaker 5: much hard work and just job to job and hanging
Speaker 5: in there. And then hearing you talk about that Chloe,
Speaker 5: about you know, how to have a child when there
Speaker 5: isn't that security is it's a it's a much bigger
Speaker 5: discussion for sure.
Speaker 1: And I don't know because I haven't had a baby,
Speaker 1: but I would assume that you don't know how you're
Speaker 1: going to feel after you've had the child.
Speaker 6: And everyone has.
Speaker 1: Different berths, And it's not as simple as sitting down
Speaker 1: at a desk or being on the phone. It's your
Speaker 1: you physically, mentally, vocally, every thing. You need to be
Speaker 1: ready to be back on stage or performing again. So
Speaker 1: to actually then get back to work requires.
Speaker 6: Work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to be ready physically to do
Speaker 1: that and be in front of people. So yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 4: This is where you get to jump in the shower together.
Speaker 4: It's our two minute shower.
Speaker 5: Been here together.
Speaker 4: We keep our answers a little short because we're into
Speaker 4: water conservation. And so if you both give us your
Speaker 4: answers on this one. What's your best quality communication?
Speaker 5: Probably patients, okay, And so now what is your partner's
Speaker 5: best quality?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 6: Well he stole mine. Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Constant kindness despite the person's situation or whatever is being
Speaker 1: thrown at him. I'm always, actually still to this day,
Speaker 1: blown away by Rob's inherent kindness.
Speaker 2: I'm always very impressed, close, very quick, and a very
Speaker 2: accurate judge of character. I think that's a great strength
Speaker 2: of his Who do you admire.
Speaker 6: That's so broad?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: In what sense that is broad?
Speaker 3: Isn't it?
Speaker 1: You're broad.
Speaker 6: Any any any topic.
Speaker 3: I guess whatever you whatever you choose, keep politics out.
Speaker 1: I admire people that are at the top of their fields,
Speaker 1: moving through challenges and doing it anyway, you know, brave,
Speaker 1: brave people that are driven and believe in themselves.
Speaker 6: I admire that, and I aspire to be like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I feel like we share this sort
Speaker 2: of admiration of people who, yes, are in positions of
Speaker 2: power and can still show a lot of kindness and
Speaker 2: keep their feet on the ground.
Speaker 3: What does your perfect day look like?
Speaker 1: My perfect day involves exercise, some sort of exercise, so
Speaker 1: I love it. I love yoga, pilates and newly trampoline, rebounding,
Speaker 1: delicious coffee, always, sunshine, ocean, quality time with rob and
Speaker 1: really good music.
Speaker 2: I don't drink coffee, so I don't need coffee my day.
Speaker 2: But I love being in nature, in the nature. I
Speaker 2: love being nature, specifically in the bush. I like being
Speaker 2: surrounded by friends, by family, by my wife, Like God,
Speaker 2: where is this day coming from? Imagined?
Speaker 3: It'll be here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? In fact, probably our wedding day was probably nearly
Speaker 2: our perfect day. In fact, given that on an Apple Orchid,
Speaker 2: we were surrounded by the most extraordinary combination of our
Speaker 2: friends and family, which you know, had gathered in this
Speaker 2: remote spot, like it was very nearly perfect.
Speaker 6: It's very rare.
Speaker 1: It's very rare that you get to with being a performer,
Speaker 1: have all your close friends from your shows together, because
Speaker 1: we're always all so spread out.
Speaker 2: So that was really special.
Speaker 3: Finish this sentence. What the world needs now is.
Speaker 2: Take it away back, ladieswith.
Speaker 6: I'm going to say.
Speaker 1: Connection with each with other humans and you and the
Speaker 1: world in itself, connection to the impact you have on
Speaker 1: other people and the world around you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be a little bit contradictory to that,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to say unplugging. I feel like we
Speaker 2: do need to unplug it then also means yes, connection
Speaker 2: with those around you. I think the twenty four hour
Speaker 2: news cycle, I think social media. I just think it's
Speaker 2: not been great for the collective mental health. And you know,
Speaker 2: whilst there are issues worth worrying about, and you know,
Speaker 2: crises overseas, I feel like there's a lot of angst
Speaker 2: and anxiety bound up in worrying so much about issues
Speaker 2: happening thousands of miles away over things within our control
Speaker 2: and in our backyard.
Speaker 4: Your partner in one word.
Speaker 6: Speak of once, what's yours? What's yours for each other?
Speaker 1: I'm curious.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh, I hadn't.
Speaker 4: Even one's ever asked us that question. I'm going to
Speaker 4: say in one word, Wow, you think.
Speaker 2: About it, I'll tell you. Mine for Chloe. So mine
Speaker 2: for Chloe would be fierce. And she's fierce in every
Speaker 2: area of her life. She's so committed to every task
Speaker 2: she puts her mind to. She is a fiercely loyal
Speaker 2: friend to her friends, she's fiercely dedicated to partner, to me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's that's my one word, all incompassing.
Speaker 1: I find it hard to just some rub up into
Speaker 1: one word. I don't want to like kind feels feels
Speaker 1: wrong but right at the same time, like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's kind or generous, like a generosity of
Speaker 1: spirit that I have never experienced in anyone else before.
Speaker 6: But that's a lot of words.
Speaker 4: So that is a spirit, isn't it. By the way,
Speaker 4: Just while you're saying that kind was my word for Allison?
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, I was going to say courageous for you.
Speaker 4: There you go, Hey you guys.
Speaker 6: Oh wait, I thought of one brave.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: That's a good word too.
Speaker 4: Hey you guys, Thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 4: and I just hope that you are together in person
Speaker 4: loving each other up very soon.
Speaker 5: I hope that too. Thank you both, and we look
Speaker 5: forward to the entertainment industry rocking again and watching you
Speaker 5: both up on stage as much as possible and having
Speaker 5: your your storyboards and your vision boards come to life
Speaker 5: for reals.
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Likewise, Yeah, thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Bye, thank you.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen either of those two since Hamilton, and
Speaker 4: I just got a real pang of like, oh, just
Speaker 4: love for them. Yeah, the good people.
Speaker 5: They are good people, so talented, and I just I know,
Speaker 5: I know we've said it and it is, it is
Speaker 5: in the news, and I think it can't be said enough.
Speaker 5: Is what we're all watching in lockdown is entertainment. We're
Speaker 5: watching TV, we're watching reality, we're watching you know, filming
Speaker 5: of stage musicals. And it can't be said enough that
Speaker 5: how decimated the entertainment industry has been by COVID, and
Speaker 5: you know, hearing that firsthand from those two was really interesting,
Speaker 5: and I think they're making the best of what that is,
Speaker 5: and that takes it takes a lot to turn that around.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, beautifully said, Actually, because we're all hanging as
Speaker 4: audience members to be entertained again. And I feel like,
Speaker 4: as you said the other day, I think, like, no
Speaker 4: wonder they're in America making more content because we've basically
Speaker 4: drained the well of stuff that was made pre pre COVID,
Speaker 4: And so it's how much we need and rely on
Speaker 4: our entertainers. Yeah, and how much you know, you realize
Speaker 4: how much love we love them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sitting in an audience, you know, we'll have it again.
Speaker 5: It's coming, it's coming. That feeling is spectacular. So it's
Speaker 5: just so grateful that.
Speaker 3: The two of them would come on and open up
Speaker 3: like that and talk to us beautiful. Yeah, so lovely.
Speaker 4: Alrighty, Well, we'll be back next week with another episode
Speaker 4: of Separate Bathrooms. Honey, I will be my courageous self
Speaker 4: and you continue to be. That was really love asked
Speaker 4: that question.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was big. I had never thought of it,
Speaker 3: so that was took me a bit a back, but yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very nice to be asked.
Speaker 4: I love your kindness till next week. Keep in touch
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