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Speaker 1: Got to get it.

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Speaker 2: It's Fitzy and we've done with k Ritty.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, Lizzie here, I'm the social media producer for

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Speaker 3: FITZI Whipri and Kate And welcome to our summer podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Fitze Whipper with Kate Richie Podcast episode special

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Speaker 3: bonus episode for you. This is called the Social Network Edition,

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Speaker 3: where I'm going to be taking you through some of

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Speaker 3: our biggest moments on social media this year that you

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Speaker 3: would have seen on our Instagram, Facebook or TikTok. And

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Speaker 3: this is the first one. It's you would have definitely

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Speaker 3: seen this one. We had Chloe Kardashi in comment on it,

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Speaker 3: Mercedes from Glee commented on it, everybody was sharing it

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Speaker 3: all over Instagram. It's our interview with Maggie Dent where

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Speaker 3: there was a very special emotional moment between Maggie and

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Speaker 3: Kate about the mental load that mothers and women carry.

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Speaker 3: So that video for Maggie Dent on our Instagram reach

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Speaker 3: nineteen point six million views, which is pretty crazy, So

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Speaker 3: have a listen and enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We absolutely adore this lady.

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Speaker 4: She's an author, educator, comedian, and parenting and resilience specialist.

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Speaker 4: Her name is Maggie welcome.

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Speaker 5: Do you know the think about Maggie Dan, It's impossible

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Speaker 5: to get enough you Just everybody has an insatiable appetite

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Speaker 5: for Maggie Dan.

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Speaker 2: She's like she's like a barrel or a Pringles. Yes,

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Speaker 2: once you pop, you can't stop. Oh my god, we

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Speaker 2: should call your pringle.

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Speaker 6: No apparently, no, apparently some other mums tell me that

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Speaker 6: needs to be a tonic in the fridge with gin.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, I'm going to have.

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Speaker 1: A bit of Maggie call my jets. Yes, just at no.

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Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to meeting you, Maggie, beause the

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Speaker 2: boys do speak very highly of what the thing is.

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Speaker 5: Every time Tommy will say, hey, great news, guys, Maggiedan's

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Speaker 5: coming in your mind just fills with questions what you

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Speaker 5: personally want to talk to Maggie about? What are you

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Speaker 5: getting at the moment, Maggie, And we're going to talk

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Speaker 5: about your new podcast, The Good Enough Dad. Is it

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Speaker 5: about dads at the moment? And is that where your

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Speaker 5: focus is?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think so, because I mean women, let's just generalization sweeping.

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Speaker 6: You know, every now and then there's a guy that

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Speaker 6: does read a parenting book, but they are constantly like,

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Speaker 6: let's lead up to the birth of a baby.

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Speaker 1: They read six or seven books.

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Speaker 6: They've been chewing their sisters and mums are in their

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Speaker 6: girlfriends and they've just got them all over and yeah,

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Speaker 6: you're exactly right, Kate. And then dads turn up say

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Speaker 6: let's just get into this right, and then they can

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Speaker 6: get absolutely knock sideways because it's such a big thing.

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Speaker 6: The big thing they keep telling me is my heart

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Speaker 6: just couldn't believe what happened in my heart. And then

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Speaker 6: I just felt useless yep, because it didn't number one

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Speaker 6: or whether it's breastmeeting or not.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: And you know when some of them say, look, I

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Speaker 6: still feel like a failing in Maggie when I've been

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Speaker 6: all at three in the morning.

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Speaker 1: And that happens to me as a nanny maid.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't take it right because there's that

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Speaker 6: conditioning of guys. You got to get it right to

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Speaker 6: be the allowedest, the biggest, the best, the first. So

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Speaker 6: they do take those things. That's why I wanted to

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Speaker 6: keep reassuring them good enough enough.

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Speaker 5: I think that's important, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Fitz.

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Speaker 5: Can I just jump in quickly, go for it, because

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Speaker 5: I think I don't want this to be what about us?

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Speaker 5: But I feel the pressure on the modern day dad

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Speaker 5: is bigger than ever before. You've got to be the

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Speaker 5: all rounder, and you've got to be able to earn

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Speaker 5: the crust. You know, you've got the traditional role which

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Speaker 5: still exists for the male, but then you've got to

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Speaker 5: be able to do the other things and not taking

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Speaker 5: it away from anything the mother does.

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Speaker 1: But the dad's role has evolved. Oh best best social

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Speaker 1: change ever in.

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Speaker 5: A strain, and I wouldn't have it any other one.

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Speaker 6: And most dads won't, which is why I keep on

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Speaker 6: wanting to reassure them that your dad might have not

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Speaker 6: might not read parenting books, but every now and then,

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Speaker 6: if your female partner wants to tag you and something,

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Speaker 6: wants you to come on board with as a team player.

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Speaker 6: That is the concept. You're exactly right. But the conditioning

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Speaker 6: again for days, is I'm the fixer. My job to

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Speaker 6: fix it stops them. Of course I'm the problem. So well,

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Speaker 6: you know what parenting this Some days crap happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and there's no solution for mums or dads and you

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Speaker 6: haven't failed them, and that's that's a big message.

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Speaker 4: Can you reassure me? Can I can you give me

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Speaker 4: an exercise you start? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Because week this one out as a mom of.

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Speaker 4: This, okay, this might help with you as well as

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Speaker 4: a parent.

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Speaker 1: Write this down.

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Speaker 4: And I heard you talking about may the other day.

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Speaker 4: But okay, So we get up very early in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Our day consists of in the afternoon you hit a wall,

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Speaker 4: not just once, probably twice. I've cut sleeps out, naps,

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Speaker 4: a moment like in the afternoon the boys come home

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Speaker 4: and like you said, they go from rules at school

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Speaker 4: and they come home and they want to wrestle and

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Speaker 4: play with their willies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and do you know what? I had fun?

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Speaker 4: There are moments where I am so frustrated and I'm

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Speaker 4: so tired, and I need patience in my life because

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Speaker 4: I can crack any second. Give me something. What do

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Speaker 4: I do? Can I have an exercise that I can

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Speaker 4: do to walk away and then to walk into that

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Speaker 6: The first thing you do is you just put your

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Speaker 6: hands out and go. Guys, remember dad's a bit tired.

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Speaker 1: Just want to be honest with them. Yeah, look I'm

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Speaker 6: So what I might do is just go sit outside

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Speaker 6: for a while, you know, because really that wrestling it's

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Speaker 6: never fatal. It's just exactly what they do because they

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Speaker 6: like their brother, even though you think they don't.

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Speaker 1: We just let it roll.

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Speaker 6: But you step yourself aside a bit, right, make yourself

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Speaker 6: a cup of to you to Tim Tam. Just cool

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Speaker 6: they'll come find you. Yes, but I need you to

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Speaker 1: Is part of it, just how I feel.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and it's okay saying can you model how you

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Speaker 6: manage your big, ugly feelings, because how else your kid's

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Speaker 6: gonna you know, like mums can do it the same.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to lose my whatever I hang on, I'm

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Speaker 6: going to go to my bedroom just for a few moments.

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Speaker 6: I do recommend you have a really good block of

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Speaker 6: I guarantee you reset with serotonin, you come back out

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Speaker 6: and you're now going to be able to be the

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Speaker 5: To go on again? Okay, to break up the dad

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Speaker 5: love A question from you from a mother's point of view.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, where do I start?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: We all have them.

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Speaker 2: I think what I'm finding challenging at the moment is

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Speaker 2: it's poormonal, but it's just it's just very hard to

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Speaker 2: get her to do what I want her to oh,

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Speaker 2: now it all makes sense why my mum and why

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Speaker 1: Were yelling, why we got a smack? Like how do

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Speaker 1: you how do you reason? How do you.

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Speaker 2: Reason with a with a nine year roll?

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Speaker 6: interesting window. Just let me drop that, really, because all

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Speaker 6: the stuff's starting to change, which is the growth towards autonomy.

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Speaker 6: It's a bit like the toddler wants autonomy, my way

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Speaker 6: me do. She's doing that to accept a little bit

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Speaker 6: of steroids underneath. Okay, So that whole notion of behaviorism,

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Speaker 6: which says if you don't punish them, you have a crapcad.

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Speaker 6: And also if you don't praise and overwart and reward them,

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Speaker 6: then they you know, for what they.

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Speaker 1: Do, that's goed. That works for rats.

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Speaker 6: Okay, right, but you're also conditioned and that's why I'm

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Speaker 6: a good person. No, you could be a good person

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Speaker 6: without punishment, yes, but discipline. So discipline is where I

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Speaker 6: walk in with my swagger and I go, we don't

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Speaker 6: walking in with swagger, yes, where's the connection, where's the love,

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Speaker 6: where's the joys? And sometimes it's just being totally I

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Speaker 6: had to be a comedian with four boys.

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Speaker 1: Right they they wouldn't listen to you. I knew though, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm wired that way.

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Speaker 6: I also know that they're wired not to listen, but

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Speaker 6: says it all the time, coming up to them, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's going now? Are we going to do that now?

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Speaker 6: And I'm going to direct you? Yeah, you know, And

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Speaker 6: that's kind of it. It seems little, but you've got

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Speaker 6: to remember our kids are dealing in a very different world.

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Speaker 1: Like you talk about that being little plate.

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Speaker 5: Now, if you continue to do those things, it builds

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Speaker 6: Got the money is I want to I want them

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Speaker 6: journey where it's not I'm directing your journey, it's we

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Speaker 6: on this journey. So sometimes it's so what do I

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Speaker 6: What do we have to do for you to remember

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Speaker 6: to put your plate in the sink?

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Speaker 8: Home?

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Speaker 1: What do we have to do? We're working together.

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Speaker 6: Rather than me always pointing there going you need to

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Speaker 6: do that and you haven't done that, and you have

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Speaker 6: to do this because I just learned to zone that

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Speaker 1: You do with other.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you've got someone nagging it all

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Speaker 6: Not a person on the planet that likes being told

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Speaker 6: what to do correct, same as it. Nobody tell me

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Speaker 6: to calm down? Yeah right, so same thing? So what

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Speaker 6: am I doing? Am I requesting in a way that's

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Speaker 6: kind of like you know what I talked to my

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Speaker 1: Strict with your kids. They're not going to respect you

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Speaker 6: See why, you know, So can I show this slight

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Speaker 6: And then well it's a female thing, and then we

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Kate, to do that, I absolutely hear that.

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Speaker 9: And I've got this, got this love, Yeah, I got

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Speaker 8: The dialogue that doesn't ever stop, that doesn't ever end.

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Speaker 1: Where where is Mums?

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Speaker 2: Turn all the lights out, the block door is locked,

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Speaker 4: I'm adhd with locking all the doors in the window,

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Speaker 9: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Stuff you all, Yeah, you haven't cleaned your teeth.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's a skill to be able to

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Speaker 6: And I know this sounds really crazy, but we know

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Speaker 6: So once again, it's a bit like bandit going to

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Speaker 6: needed better help. Can we do that without going? But

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Speaker 5: But us, girls, God, you're not telling men and women

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Speaker 4: Maybe We've had a lot of people ringing in they

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Speaker 6: You there, Daniel, Yeah, hello, you've got Maggie here go Danny.

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Speaker 7: So my question is, unfortunately we lost my mom three

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Speaker 7: so a young grandma. Thank you. It's been really tough,

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Speaker 7: So we still mention grandma a lot, but they don't

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Speaker 7: So I was just wondering whether, like obviously, if that's normal,

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Speaker 7: or like if I should be bringing you up more often. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: First, I'll give you a great big Maggie hug over

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you? Are they boys? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, they don't do it good, right, it's a

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Speaker 6: Can I just offer you a suggestion. You get a

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Speaker 6: where they can sometimes maybe not light a candle club

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Speaker 6: they would have, like tell the things that happen during

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Speaker 6: and that that's exactly what happens when we lose something

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Speaker 6: have the lessons around death, not just a story book.

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Speaker 6: They're actually feeling it. And then what are we doing?

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Speaker 6: Are we beautifully respectfully putting the body somewhere? Are we

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Speaker 6: do puddle hopping in grief, they'll do little pockets and

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Speaker 1: So does that make some sense? Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm only assuming this, Dannielle. If it

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Speaker 2: And I don't think that any child wants to see

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So give them agency in that. So if you

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Speaker 6: see mom sad, grab the tissues. You can get mummy

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Speaker 6: next to mummy and hold it rather than mummy has

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Speaker 6: to hide in the bedroom. Yeah, because then we're teaching

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Speaker 6: them how we bring comfort, and that's the agency we

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Speaker 6: because then they're doing something that helps mummy feel better.

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Speaker 4: They can still talk to Nan absoletely, they can go

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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, she's still in their lives.

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Speaker 2: And it's okay to be sad too. I think it's

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Speaker 2: important for them to see that you're sad to Danielle.

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Speaker 5: Don't feel bad, Dannielle. Thank you for sharing.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you, that's been great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Lisa's called through from Levington. Lisa a question for Maggie Dent.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Hi, thank you so much for taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Of course, So I'm trying.

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Speaker 10: To get through this without being upset myself. My husband

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Speaker 10: She's finding it very difficult. My daughter's school keeps calling

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Speaker 10: So he left a couple of months ago, and every

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Speaker 11: Do you have any advice on what yeh doing?

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Speaker 6: So she's grieving too, isn't she right? And so we've

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Speaker 6: So one of the things we talk about is if

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Speaker 6: you find a really special photo and laminate it that's

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Speaker 6: you know, he's not completely ostracized, that tells her how

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Speaker 6: so she can check in on it during the day,

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Speaker 6: course I'm wondering, does she do this at home with yours?

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Speaker 6: This is just because she's away from you as her

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Speaker 6: safe comforter. Is this someone in that school environment that

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Speaker 6: can become you by extension? We call it secondary attachment?

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Speaker 6: So if she feels sad, if it's not her teacher,

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Speaker 1: Is there a lady in the front.

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Speaker 6: Office, someone who can be the hugger and the reassurer

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you still would he do that?

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Speaker 4: Do you still have a relationship where he could leave

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: He still speaks to the kids on FaceTime every night.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and he has the kids two nights a week.

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Speaker 7: He's still got that, like the will.

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Speaker 11: Part with me anymore? And that it's just as setting

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Speaker 11: because she's an emotional person like what I am. And

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Speaker 11: it's upset, and it breaks my heart to hear that

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Speaker 6: And we do know it will gradually gradually get betters.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Can get another Maggie.

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Speaker 5: Three Maggie hugs.

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Speaker 4: So, the new podcast The Good Enough Dad, with the

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Speaker 4: You've been We've had a great relationship with you over

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