1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Her with Kate Richie podcast. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Hugh Jackman and Debra le Fernirsrayan James. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: Of course they've separated. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is full on and obviously there's a lot 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: of pain and complication when it comes to a separation 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: after thirty years of marriage. I mean, thirty years is 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: a very long time to have cemented your routine and 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: love and what you believe to be your life partner 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. But as we know, 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: in life, things change. You can't always predict the roller 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: coaster you're going to go on. As we know, Hugh 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Jackman is now seeing Sutton Foster and she is in 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: the theater as well. He has worked with her. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Before and they are now a couple. 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: So that led to the separation of Hugh Jackman also 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: deb So deb hasn't spoken for the past couple of 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: years fits and I think that's how long it has been. 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Since their relationship ended. 19 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: So she's finally come out and said something which was 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: extremely strong in her words, but also she spoke from 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: the heart, which I think is important to do when 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: you know, I suppose there's a community that's wanting to 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: hear how she's feeling and how she's holding up. So 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: she wrote, my heart and compassion goes out to everyone 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: who has ever traversed the traumatic journey of betrayal. 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: It is profound wound that cuts deep. 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: However, I believe in a higher power that God slashed 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: the universe. Whatever you relate to as your guidance is 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: always working for us. She continued to say, this belief 30 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: has helped me navigate the breakdown of an almost three 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: decade marriage. I've gained much knowledge and wisdom through this experience, 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: even when we were presented with apparent adversary. It has 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: led to our greatest good and our true purpose. So look, 34 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: she's speaking as if there's hope, but she's also. 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: Saying I was done wrong by I think the main 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: word we need to focus on there is the word betrayal, 37 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: like a very very strong word. 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: So okay, So we need to work this out because 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: while he was while he was on stage. 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 5: With his now current partner. 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously things were going on there while he was 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: married to Deb, and she and we you know, we 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: know Dev We've interviewed Deb so many times on the show. 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: I think we have a great relationship with deb But 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 4: for her to come out and use the word betrayal, 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: she's very proud. 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: She's a very proud woman. 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: For her to actually use it in a statement in 49 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: a press release, I think means that that has cut 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: a raw. 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Oh, it's heavy, it's really heavy. Betrayal has is a 52 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: fairly broad term though, because. 53 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: You could you could argue that someone who said to 54 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: you when you got married that they'd committed to you 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: till death do us part par then you could say 56 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: that's betrayal because you didn't stick to your commitment of marriage, 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: a legally binding bomb that we see to each other 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: while looking. 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 5: Into her eyes. 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: But that could be betrayal. 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: So I know where you jumped to, and I did 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: as well when I first read it fits, but it's 63 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: hard to say what actually happened at the end of 64 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: their relationship. 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 5: Well, I would say that it's alluding to an affair. 66 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: It is, absolutely But then you might say that if 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: he said to her in a conversation, hey, by the way, 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: there's nothing going on with this girl Sutton, then if 69 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: that was a lie but there was no crossover at 70 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: that time, then she could refer to that as betrayal. 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 4: But see This is why I got out of musicals, really, 72 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: because I just my eye was wondering too much, and 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: I said to be Jay, I can't do this, Ash, 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: don't laugh. 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it's funny. What musical were you in 76 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: at school? Fits? 77 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: I was in Caucasian Chalk Circle from Bert Old Brett. 78 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: Less is More and loveless a lot more. 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: That's what the teacher said to me at the end. 80 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Of the year, liking. 81 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 5: Ash. 82 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: Were you ever in a production at school? 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 6: I was a real drama nerder. 84 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: What did you do? 85 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 6: Oh, there was always a school play or drama performances 86 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 6: on or year twelve like so, drama solos, that kind 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 6: of stuff. Terrible singer, So I never did that. Pictures 88 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 6: of dancing and acting. 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: Could you ask good that there's a level of intimacy 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 2: around theater? 91 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 6: Well, I went to an old girls' school, so it 92 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 6: was less that way in clients, to be honest, yeah, 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 6: because I think. 94 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: You know you're putting on a performance. 95 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean, this is guys, this is why a lot 96 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: of people won't do Dancing with the Stars. 97 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, guys. 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: Sebastian's not allowed to do Dancing with the Stars. Why 99 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: because Juel said, women the dance partners often push up 100 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: really hard and hit on the talent on the show. 101 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 5: This is the thing. 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: There's been so many welationships that have happened and broken 103 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: on Dancing with the Stars. 104 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 5: Will tell Tommy Williams ended up with Kim Kim Johnson. 105 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: I think it was for a while. There else, who else, who. 106 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: Else is now married to her dance partner because Michael, yes, yes, 107 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: the minute you're locked at the hips doing a bit 108 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: of Judge Judger, well then as if you don't want 109 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: more of that, you know what I mean? 110 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 5: And that's the reason why. 111 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 4: That's the reason I knocked back, the reason why I 112 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: knocked back Dancing with the Stars really just Krogs was 113 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 4: given me the eye. 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 5: All the time? Was she really? Ah man? I just said, look, 115 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 5: if I want to win this camp, I can't. 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