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Speaker 1: From the newsroom at years.

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Speaker 2: To come today.

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Speaker 3: Today. There, I'm Andrew Bucklow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you've heard the news by now that

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Speaker 1: Channel ten has decided to act the project. The last

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Speaker 1: ever episode is going to air on June twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: It's very sad news and a number of past and

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Speaker 1: present stars from the show have spoken out about the decision,

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Speaker 1: including carry Bigmore.

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Speaker 4: You forget some of the things that happened over the years,

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Speaker 4: Like even this sounds insane, but even having will Lead

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Speaker 4: on our show was groundbreaking. To have Willid host that

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Speaker 4: show with me, the way it championed women, it was

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Speaker 4: just it was I'm so proud of everything they've done.

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Speaker 4: I spoke to Aleid yesterday and I don't think I'd

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Speaker 4: ever heard him that emotional. He was so emotional about it.

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Speaker 1: Now we've actually got an article online at news dot

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Speaker 1: com dot au right now about the real reason Channel

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Speaker 1: ten decided to end the program now after almost sixteen

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Speaker 1: years on air.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you check that out.

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Speaker 1: Also making news this week are some rather shocking comments

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Speaker 1: from a Royal insider about King Charles's cancer battle. We

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Speaker 1: will cross to our UK correspondent in this episode and

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Speaker 1: get you up to speed, and she's also going to

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Speaker 1: reveal if there's any chance Prince Harry and the King

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Speaker 1: can bury the hatchet and reconcile.

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Speaker 3: We're joining me now.

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Speaker 1: All the way from London is news dot com dot

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Speaker 1: use Royal reporter Bronte Koy get a Bronte Hey buggy

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Speaker 1: Well here to discuss some revealing new comments about the

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Speaker 1: King's cancer. But first I think it'd be handy if

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Speaker 1: we had a little bit of a refresher.

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Speaker 3: What do we actually know about his illness?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, because it's actually been less than eighteen months,

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Speaker 5: but it feels a lot longer because in that time

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Speaker 5: we found out about the King's cancer and all the

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Speaker 5: news related to that. But also, of course Kate was

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Speaker 5: diagnosed with cancer and underwent treatment in that time.

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Speaker 6: So let's go right back to where it all began.

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Speaker 5: So late January twenty twenty four, the Palace released a

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Speaker 5: for an enlarged prostate.

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Speaker 6: Although it was stressed at the time that it was

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Speaker 5: However, we now know that during the course of that

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Speaker 5: surgery form of cancer which we still don't know what

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Speaker 5: it was, but it was found during that so we've

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Speaker 5: received breaking news from Buckingham Palace which was announced that

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Speaker 5: the King has been diagnosed with cancer, and so he

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Speaker 5: where he was getting a treatment and taking a little

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Speaker 5: break to recuperate, and he returned by Easter that year,

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Speaker 5: so there was a bit of a sigh of relief,

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Speaker 5: and he's now undergoing treatment for chemotherapy on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 5: It's understood that was famously paused while he was in

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Speaker 5: So he also was briefly hospitalized again in late March

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Speaker 5: this year after experiencing temporary side effects from the chemo.

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Speaker 5: The Palace again didn't say what those symptoms were, but

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Speaker 5: it was understood to be a common reaction to the treatment.

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Speaker 5: So to recap we know it's not prostate cancer, but

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Speaker 5: no other details have been shared about what it could

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Speaker 6: They won't share it.

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Speaker 5: Look in terms of what has been shared with the

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Speaker 5: public so far, the King has given more of his

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Speaker 5: and certainly from the Monarch, and it's a deeply personal issue,

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Speaker 5: but because he has kept the little bit broad. I

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Speaker 5: suppose in a way, it keeps the relatability with there

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Speaker 5: are so many types of cancers and he is seen

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Speaker 5: quite relatable because it's something that so many people unfortunately experience.

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Speaker 5: But also crucially, him not sharing the details of what

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Speaker 1: So obviously the King and the palace are kind of

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Speaker 5: He has, And interestingly, I'll give you a little bit

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Speaker 5: visits he's made to cancer related centers, you know, cancer

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Speaker 5: The mood, music and what we're all hearing is extremely positive.

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Speaker 5: In fact, the original quote and I quote said that

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Speaker 5: What we know from that is he did return within

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Speaker 5: earlier this year. He made a point of visiting a

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Speaker 5: the King has decided to keep in mind during his battle,

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Speaker 5: and it is that reminded that you know he is

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Speaker 5: remaining positive. But at the same time it's a grueling

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Speaker 6: But he's made comments like that along the way.

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Speaker 5: He also hosted an event at Buckingham Palace in late

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Speaker 5: daunting and frightening. So again we're getting the work from

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Speaker 5: the it's very optimistic and that he's you know, it's

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Speaker 5: all moving forward well in the treatments ongoing. But we're

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Speaker 5: also getting that real side from him in these more

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Speaker 5: that's sort of the idea of what we've gotten over

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Speaker 5: the last year and a half, but the actual specifics

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Speaker 3: Brings us to this week. A Palace Insider made headlines.

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Speaker 1: They shared some pretty interesting details about Charles's cancer battle.

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Speaker 6: What did they say, Yeah, look they did.

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Speaker 5: So this is an article in the Telegraph in the

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Speaker 5: was focusing on why Harry and the King's reconciliation attempts

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Speaker 5: I'll give you the quote. The talk now is that

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Speaker 5: he may die with cancer, but not of cancer, following

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Speaker 5: advancing years that has been made, however, is that it

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Speaker 5: appears unlikely he'll ever move from Clarence House to Buckingham

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Speaker 6: So that's what we've heard about that.

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Speaker 5: It's obviously it's not great news if that's true. But

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Speaker 5: also I would say, you know they've said with cancer

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Speaker 5: of a different tone than what we've heard, and it

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Speaker 5: still dealing with a serious type of cancer.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Prince Harry's comments there. Let's just talk about that.

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Speaker 1: So for those who aren't aware. Back in May, he

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Speaker 1: lost a legal challenge over the levels of security that

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Speaker 1: he and his family are entitled too while in the UK,

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Speaker 1: and after that ruling, he sat down with the BBC

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Speaker 1: and in the interview with them he referenced the King's health.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to that.

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Speaker 2: I would love reconciliation with my family. I've always you know,

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Speaker 2: there's no point in continuing to fight him more and

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Speaker 2: I said life is precious. I don't know how much

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Speaker 2: longer my father has. You know, he won't speak to

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Speaker 2: me because of the security stuff.

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Speaker 1: Now, Bronti, from what I understand, those comments did not

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Speaker 5: The palace, absolutely not across the board, and all the

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Speaker 5: like a lead balloon.

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Speaker 6: Obviously it came as quite.

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Speaker 5: A shock because it was a very wide ranging interview

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Speaker 5: to have an inside track on that, it's probably going

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Speaker 6: And being as transparent.

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Speaker 5: As possible with the public, but also protecting his dignity

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Speaker 5: in privacy, for this to be said then in the

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Speaker 5: think there was genuine shock across the board that, you know,

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Speaker 5: recent years, but this does take it to a different

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Speaker 5: level because again you're talking about the king's private health

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a very sad thing.

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Speaker 5: So they were talking about again it's the trust between them.

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Speaker 5: I think that this was just that reminder that even

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Speaker 5: though there's been attempts for reconciliation over the years, there

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Speaker 5: up in the public domain, as it did on the BBC.

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Speaker 5: I don't think the Palace was actually given much notice

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Speaker 5: that this interview was going to drop. One of the

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Speaker 5: it just puts them all in a really difficult position

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Speaker 5: because how can they possibly move forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone's wondering if the King and Harry will be

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Speaker 1: able to reconcile their differences stick around. We'll discuss that

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Speaker 1: with Bronti in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by news dot com Dot's royal reporter in London,

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Speaker 1: Brontie Cooy Bronti. Just before the break, we were discussing

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Speaker 1: how Harry pissed off the Palace back in May by

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Speaker 1: talking about the King's health to the BBC.

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Speaker 7: Prince Harry's just given an absolutely extraordinary interview. Harry desperately

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Speaker 7: wants reconciliation. He wants to see his father, his brother

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Speaker 7: and others, and he says his father isn't even speaking

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Speaker 7: to him. And Harry's raising a very important question too

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Speaker 7: about the King's health. I don't know how much longer

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Speaker 7: he has, Harry says, We've always been told by the

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance whatsoever that Harry and

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Speaker 6: Years if you'd ask me this question.

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Speaker 5: A year ago, when the King first announced he had

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Speaker 1: I've always had a soft spot for Harry. I think

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Speaker 6: I mean, I was the same as you. I think

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Speaker 5: Alongside the other global leaders he's very much leaning into

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Speaker 6: In the pulse.

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Speaker 5: All of that says yes, if it came to it,

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Speaker 5: I do think that he's very much ready. He has

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Speaker 1: London at us dot com at dot AU in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for jumping on the podcast. I

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Speaker 3: You can go to bed now anytime, Bucky.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to today's episode and

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