Speaker 1: Approache Production, episode six. That's a dumb idea, Dan. Dan
Speaker 1: Saunders is up to his neck in debt one point
Speaker 1: six million in debt to be exact, but nobody is
Speaker 1: chasing him, no calls from the cops, and the only
Speaker 1: contact he's had with the bank is the contact he
Speaker 1: made himself. Of course, he also spoke to that bloke Bernie,
Speaker 1: who told him.
Speaker 2: We won't be giving you any more money. And I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure you know why. Sorry, he's not going to
Speaker 2: cut it. You're going to jail for a long time.
Speaker 1: Dan has also stopped spending on the Magic ACM card
Speaker 1: and the party is over. His twitchy eye has stopped,
Speaker 1: and so have the late night calls from hangers on
Speaker 1: who want to know where's the party?
Speaker 3: Dan.
Speaker 1: He's had his name in the paper, a few interviews,
Speaker 1: but still no cops busting down the door like that
Speaker 1: dream he had. So I guess the only reasonable thing
Speaker 1: to do is to go on a current affair and
Speaker 1: tell them the whole story. Good thinking, Dan, What could
Speaker 1: possibly go wrong?
Speaker 2: Well, I never did an interview with the current Affair.
Speaker 2: I just told him the story, and they released a
Speaker 2: story without my name, without my photo, without anything Yep.
Speaker 2: They just said a guy who used to work in
Speaker 2: a bar got some money.
Speaker 4: Off the NAB, right.
Speaker 2: But I thought that would have been enough to jog
Speaker 2: some form of communication.
Speaker 4: I would have been like I was sure.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there's only a current affair on
Speaker 2: primetime TV. Now someone's gonna get to the you know,
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. But they just kept saying,
Speaker 2: please investigation, now that's it. So yeah, So I did
Speaker 2: an interview with Adam Shant and he was very he
Speaker 2: was very very good told the story. But they still
Speaker 2: took first photos, so it looked like I was, you know,
Speaker 2: I was the one.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen those photos. It's one of my questions, like,
Speaker 1: did you was that an actual photo or was that
Speaker 1: just a setup? For No, it's just a setup. The
Speaker 1: photos Dan's talking about are the sorts you think you
Speaker 1: would use in a salacious story on TV about a
Speaker 1: young lithario who spends money on girls, drugs, drinks and
Speaker 1: everything else. That's fun. Pictures of Dan on private jets,
Speaker 1: sipping champagne in limos with a bunch of blondes. Really,
Speaker 1: the photos make him look like a Kardashian. Dan Kardashian
Speaker 1: it's got a ring to it. It's important to note
Speaker 1: that the article from the paper which led to the
Speaker 1: first Current Affairs story was posted on the ninth of
Speaker 1: August twenty fourteen. Dan's first transaction with the glitch was
Speaker 1: in February two thousand and eleven. It's a long time
Speaker 1: between expensive drinks.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, like it was a yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: long process. And I guess, you know, because I you know,
Speaker 2: because I started working. I worked a bit and then
Speaker 2: sort of thought about it again and went, you know, like,
Speaker 2: I'm not really I'm not really comfortable with this because
Speaker 2: it's you know, if you if you let something go
Speaker 2: for so long, they'll walk in at the worst time.
Speaker 4: In your life. Like I was picturing like I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Meet someone, I'm going to have a son or daughter
Speaker 2: and they're going to be one years old and the
Speaker 2: cops are going to knock on the door and go,
Speaker 2: yeah you know that thing twenty eleven, You're gone.
Speaker 4: Now it's a heavy load.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's just it's more a fact that you
Speaker 2: want to just you want to just get it done,
Speaker 2: to deal with it, you know, Like it's I think
Speaker 2: it's worse to just you know, sit by, and you know,
Speaker 2: like just you're sort of almost putting yourself up to
Speaker 2: like you know, you're putting yourself out there for more.
Speaker 2: I mean if you just bring it on and say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to take it, let's go for it. I
Speaker 2: mean it was, Yeah, that to me was the most
Speaker 2: important thing to do, you know. And yeah, people might
Speaker 2: not agree with that, and I understand that. You know,
Speaker 2: people are like, what would you do that for? And
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you that was the right thing
Speaker 2: for me. I felt that that was the right thing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: So that's why the police must arrest you.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, do they know nothing? Nothing?
Speaker 1: Was there an investigation at that time into you.
Speaker 2: He couldn't establish that they wouldn't tell him that, but
Speaker 2: he definitely could establish that there wasn't many people who
Speaker 2: knew about it or talking about it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a warrant for your arrest or anything like
Speaker 1: that that you would expect. And your bank's still in debt. Well,
Speaker 1: the bank wrote it off, wrote it off, so you
Speaker 1: don't have an NAB card and more, we actually don't
Speaker 1: know if the bank wrote off the debt. What we
Speaker 1: do know is how much Dan has to pay back
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that a little bit later. After
Speaker 1: the article in the paper, someone suggested that Dan finally
Speaker 1: go on camera with the current affair and tell his story.
Speaker 1: He'd already told his story once, but that was a
Speaker 1: short piece on TV which didn't have his face and
Speaker 1: was really just a bit of a fluff piece. So
Speaker 1: Dan's big idea, go on primetime TV and face the
Speaker 1: music and tell his story. Stupid, maybe desperate for an end.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all I'm.
Speaker 2: Trying to do is provoke some form of communication. If
Speaker 2: the bank had a came to me at any point
Speaker 2: and said, hey, we want to talk to you, I
Speaker 2: would have been like, great, let's sit down, let's have
Speaker 2: a conversation, let's sort this out. If they had to
Speaker 2: come to me and said they just sent me a
Speaker 2: letter and said that stuff in twenty eleven, that's all done.
Speaker 2: Just walk away. You think I wouldn't have walked away,
Speaker 2: No worries, I'll walk away. The problem was no one
Speaker 2: would say anything to me because no one wants to
Speaker 2: put their name to anything.
Speaker 4: You know, no one wants to go oh.
Speaker 2: I was the guy that said no, that's okay, you
Speaker 2: can walk on that, or you know, because they're scared
Speaker 2: to say things because it'll come back and buy them
Speaker 2: on the ass. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 2: a lot of people in that space a's scared for
Speaker 2: some reason, you know, whether they're comfortable and they don't
Speaker 2: want to push the envelope too much, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: But no one wanted to talk to me about anything.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I went on a current affair and you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't ask for any money. I went on there
Speaker 2: and just decided to you know, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: have a chat and lay it all out on the table.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they just man with the narrative. You know,
Speaker 2: Australia's ATM cheap and they said, you know it's an
Speaker 2: exclusive like you know, like I hadn't talked to them, like,
Speaker 2: you know, a year before that.
Speaker 1: And just basically.
Speaker 2: Light you know, like the last thing that they said
Speaker 2: on a character was.
Speaker 4: Dan's missing. Now you know there's a warrant for his arrest.
Speaker 2: If you've seen Dan, call crime Stoppers and I just
Speaker 2: watched that and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, pack a lie.
Speaker 3: We did, however, speak with him by phone and encourage
Speaker 3: him to hand himself in. At this stage, he's chosen
Speaker 3: not to contact police, who now want to arrest him
Speaker 3: if you know he's whereabouts, contact crime Stoppers on one
Speaker 3: eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. And the National Australia
Speaker 3: Bank has issued a statement in relation to those transactions.
Speaker 3: You can read on our website That.
Speaker 1: Last few moments on the Current Affair really upset Dan.
Speaker 1: He believes there was no arrest warrant against him.
Speaker 2: So then I find out that the only like, it's
Speaker 2: never been a police investigation. So all the publications that
Speaker 2: printed that prior have lied as well, because it's never
Speaker 2: been reported to the police until a Current Affair contacted
Speaker 2: the police and got them involved.
Speaker 1: He said he'd contacted the bank. Remember Bernie Bernie told
Speaker 1: Dan that it was a police matter, but from Dan's reports,
Speaker 1: it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It's never actually been a police investigation. So that blew
Speaker 2: my mind first, which.
Speaker 1: Just means that the bank never contacted police either.
Speaker 4: No, no one ever rang.
Speaker 1: With Bernie lied.
Speaker 4: Ye Bernie Bernie lied. Yeah, but you can't expect bankers
Speaker 4: to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Here are some interesting facts that Interview on a Current
Speaker 1: Affair went to air on Monday, the third of November
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, the day before the Melbourne cup.
Speaker 2: The last email they sent to me said, Dan, we
Speaker 2: really hope you like the story.
Speaker 1: Dan was right. He got an email from a Current
Speaker 1: Affair at five point thirty four pm on the Monday
Speaker 1: night the story ran. It wasn't an email to say
Speaker 1: hand yourself in to police. It was a bit of
Speaker 1: a different email. He's an extract two Dan Saunders. Subject
Speaker 1: re thank you. Thanks very much for your email. Dan,
Speaker 1: You're a very funny bloke and have a way with words.
Speaker 1: I trust Adam has been in touch to let you know.
Speaker 1: The story is still running tonight. I hope you like
Speaker 1: the final products. You're more than welcome to collect the
Speaker 1: documents and photos whenever you like. I'm out of the
Speaker 1: office for the next couple of days, but we'll be
Speaker 1: back here on Thursday. Alternatively, I can have them posted
Speaker 1: out to you, whichever is easier. Just let me know
Speaker 1: kind regards, Alex.
Speaker 2: I learn off the Current Affair that there's been a
Speaker 2: warrant issued for my arrest then and only then, because
Speaker 2: the other corresponders from them is you know, Dan, best
Speaker 2: of luck for the future.
Speaker 1: So you arrive at a Current Affair headquarters. What's going
Speaker 1: on outside? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I had a pretty good idea what was going
Speaker 2: to happen. I didn't take my phone or my wallet
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but yeah, all the cameras come
Speaker 2: out from behind, you know, the walls, and you know
Speaker 2: it's this big sting.
Speaker 4: You know, the detectives there.
Speaker 2: You know, Daniel Solanders, you're under arrest, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know you have the right to Marion insil and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: You're rest.
Speaker 4: Practice, you understand these rights.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: I think it was quite relieved, but also it was
Speaker 2: quite bizarre because it was like, what are you what
Speaker 2: are you guys doing? So you know, then I you know,
Speaker 2: I went to the police station and the police didn't.
Speaker 4: Even interview me.
Speaker 2: The police officer that he was more across the restaurant
Speaker 2: thing than anything else.
Speaker 4: Okay, he didn't understand.
Speaker 1: So you've never been charged for the restaurant thing up
Speaker 1: to that point, not as yet.
Speaker 2: He's more talking to me about the restaurant thing, and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, you know, we've got your on camera here,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, come on, yeah, the restaurant thing doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like it's the biggest thing in town right now,
Speaker 2: you know, And he's like, yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: So no one even interviewed me from the police because
Speaker 2: they had no idea what to even ask because it
Speaker 2: was never really police investigation. It was just they just
Speaker 2: opened one so they could get a warrant, and then
Speaker 2: it was just going to be open and shut because
Speaker 2: I said, what I did?
Speaker 1: Who do you call? You get a phone call?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a I got a phone call.
Speaker 2: I didn't call anyone because I knew I'd be on
Speaker 2: bail pretty quick, and so yeah, so I just I
Speaker 2: just got held in the sales for a bit and
Speaker 2: fingerprints and DNA and all that sort of stuff, and
Speaker 2: then just then just left.
Speaker 4: I was saying, before dinner.
Speaker 1: When did they run that story in a current affair
Speaker 1: that night? Like that? I'm being caught yep, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: News update news alert, Dance Unders been captured.
Speaker 4: Thanks for our story to.
Speaker 3: A breaking breaking news on a story we brought you
Speaker 3: on Monday about atm cheat Dance Saunders.
Speaker 2: As a result of what happened to me, and only that,
Speaker 2: I can't trust anything that I read or I hear
Speaker 2: from the media.
Speaker 4: I just can't do it. I've got to see it myself.
Speaker 1: So Dan finally gets what He's been waiting for some action,
Speaker 1: some closure, and after a few years waiting, it's all
Speaker 1: about to come to a head. So what's Dan thinking
Speaker 1: right at that very moment he's arrested on TV, He's thinking,
Speaker 1: what the hell am I wearing?
Speaker 2: Have my painting shorts on? I was doing a bit
Speaker 2: of painting earlier. It was it was fine, It was
Speaker 2: an ending.
Speaker 1: It was bizarre ending.
Speaker 2: It was very weird because like, how do you act
Speaker 2: like you've got someone who was quite clearly trying to
Speaker 2: like get himself in the in the Melbourne Cup that year.
Speaker 2: So two days prior, the day, the night the day
Speaker 2: after that, they ran the story there was a horse
Speaker 2: called who shot the Barman? I was like, the barman
Speaker 2: shot himself, he shot the farm.
Speaker 1: Next time.
Speaker 2: It was over, so I was like, well, that's fine,
Speaker 2: you know. And I thought ye might get five years jail.
Speaker 4: Now, you know. So I was just sort of preparing
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 1: But do you speak to your mom? Do you tell
Speaker 1: mom what's going on now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I sort of showed Mama rerun of the Current
Speaker 2: Affair interview and just said, look, this is sort.
Speaker 4: Of what's going on, and what you say. She just said, look, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you've made your bed. Now you've got to sort of
Speaker 4: lie in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She was like, it's good that you finally told the
Speaker 2: truth that it's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What about old mate and some of the other friends.
Speaker 1: Old mate was longer no contact?
Speaker 2: Like it was funny because old mate, during the time
Speaker 2: that you know, I was obviously on bail and stuff,
Speaker 2: had actually got quite a high government job.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was very interesting. Old mate didn't want
Speaker 1: to be known as mate. Old mate was like, out,
Speaker 1: yeah he was, but you still consider him a mate now, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like you can't.
Speaker 2: I can't go through something like that with someone and
Speaker 2: not consider them like I may.
Speaker 4: Like it was. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean we might not have anything to talk about now,
Speaker 2: or you know, he you know, he might be married
Speaker 2: now with a couple of kids and you know, have
Speaker 2: a you know, a.
Speaker 4: Prestigious job or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like I don't hold any of that against him, Like
Speaker 2: I don't have any It was just what it was.
Speaker 2: You know, we all always you know, we always decided, hey,
Speaker 2: look this is going to go for as long as
Speaker 2: it goes. And then ultimately I'm the one who's going
Speaker 2: to you know, because my name on the card so
Speaker 2: I'm going to get shit canned. Let's just have fun
Speaker 2: before that happens.
Speaker 1: What about the rest of the crew, the solid crew
Speaker 1: that we're around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only only sort of two guys that really
Speaker 2: really stuck by during that time. It's funny like when
Speaker 2: police and courts and stuff get evolved. Yeah, people sort
Speaker 2: of run a mile a little bit.
Speaker 1: But like, and are they thinking that you're possibly gonna
Speaker 1: implicate them in something?
Speaker 4: Possibly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like I think I think it's
Speaker 2: you know, it just comes from watching too many movies probably,
Speaker 2: you know, like the coffs in coffsing out a clue
Speaker 2: what happened, they weren't interested either.
Speaker 4: They didn't give a shit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of those blokes that stuck around was Evano, Dan's
Speaker 1: good mate from Wangaratta.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a bit of anxiety on my front.
Speaker 5: I did at one point think maybe I might get
Speaker 5: in trouble for this, just because maybe I was associated
Speaker 5: with Dan.
Speaker 1: But yeah, are you nervous about this podcast because of that?
Speaker 1: Or No?
Speaker 5: To be honest enough times past yep. But if you
Speaker 5: had approached me five years ago, I probably would have
Speaker 5: said no. I felt a lot of concern for Dan like,
Speaker 5: I'm one of the people who was always there for him.
Speaker 5: A lot of his mates jumped ship, and when he
Speaker 5: went to prison, a lot of his mates didn't want
Speaker 5: anything to do with him. I don't feel like I
Speaker 5: was one of those people.
Speaker 1: Did you see him on a current affair? Yes? Did
Speaker 1: he tell you that it was going to be on
Speaker 1: or No? He didn't.
Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me.
Speaker 1: He just just did it.
Speaker 5: And it was pretty crazy just the way he went
Speaker 5: about it. It's yeah, dandy, unique fella like, I've got
Speaker 5: so much respect for him, but I wouldn't have turned
Speaker 5: myself in.
Speaker 1: Do you think he would have got away with it
Speaker 1: if he hadn't have gone to the newspapers and the TV? Definitely?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. Yeah. But at the same time, I
Speaker 5: do think he needed some kind of closure. So I
Speaker 5: think it's been the best for him, the best thing
Speaker 5: for him long term. But he wouldn't have gone to
Speaker 5: jail if he didn't turn himself in. That's my honest opinion.
Speaker 1: Did the bank question you so you're on bail or
Speaker 1: remand does the bank question you in that period?
Speaker 4: No, No, the bank crickets.
Speaker 1: Nothing from the bank.
Speaker 2: The bank issued a statement and gave evidence to court,
Speaker 2: but that was just the statements.
Speaker 1: So issued your statements essentially your banking statements which we've seen, and.
Speaker 4: Just said this money was obtained by deception.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's all I had to.
Speaker 1: Get admitted that that's what you've done.
Speaker 2: So nothing about how, nothing about their system, nothing about that.
Speaker 4: Just just bad Dan. Dan's got to go to jail.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: Like even Mike QC I just told him to be quiet.
Speaker 2: I just think I just don't even talk, like you
Speaker 2: don't even know what's going on anyway, you know, like
Speaker 2: just forget it.
Speaker 1: How you pay for the QC? Yeah, bank, that's money. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't have any remorse for the bank. The bank
Speaker 4: is the bank. They're like, if you could touch the sites,
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think they're fine, they'll be okay.
Speaker 1: Dan requested court documents, which is given to us. The
Speaker 1: Crown Prosecutor had three charges against Dan, one for theft
Speaker 1: and two charges for obtaining financial advantage by deception. Charge
Speaker 1: one says he stole the amount of eighty thousand, two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars from the National Australia Bank. Charge
Speaker 1: two says that he owed payment of debts using a
Speaker 1: National Australian Bank MasterCard to make each payment for the
Speaker 1: amount of one hundred and forty six thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and twenty cents, and the final charge was more
Speaker 1: payments that Dan had made to providers of merchants to
Speaker 1: the amount of twenty one thousand, five hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: four dollars and ninety two cents. Along with these charges,
Speaker 1: there was a list of transaction details for each amount
Speaker 1: and the date it was spent. Here's a transcript read
Speaker 1: by a friend of the sentencing remarks from the court.
Speaker 6: Daniel Saunders, you have pleaded guilty to one charge of
Speaker 6: theft and two charges of obtaining a financial advantage by deception.
Speaker 6: The maximum penalty for each offense is ten years imprisonment.
Speaker 6: On the twenty first of February twenty eleven, you discovered that,
Speaker 6: despite your account having a zero balance, you were able
Speaker 6: to use your Visa debit card to withdraw money, apparently
Speaker 6: as a result of an error in the magnetic coding
Speaker 6: attached to that card. On the day you discovered this,
Speaker 6: anomally you made five withdrawals and in the period up
Speaker 6: to the eighth of May of that year, you made
Speaker 6: a further sixty nine withdrawls. The total amount you gained
Speaker 6: was eighty eight hundred and twenty dollars. This conduct forms
Speaker 6: the basis of charge one.
Speaker 2: You know, there was points where I had five million
Speaker 2: dollars in my bank account. They weren't missing that money.
Speaker 2: So what was the money real or just numbers on
Speaker 2: a screen.
Speaker 4: It's all valid.
Speaker 2: Questions I think, I mean, how can you miss that
Speaker 2: much money or not miss that much money?
Speaker 6: As regards Charge two, on the thirteenth of March twenty eleven,
Speaker 6: you used your MasterCard to make a withdrawal in excess
Speaker 6: of the limit, and then in the period up to
Speaker 6: the twenty eighth of April, you made further payments. In all,
Speaker 6: there are one hundred and two transactions totaling eighty six
Speaker 6: eight hundred dollars and twenty cents. In addition, you transferred
Speaker 6: a total of sixty thousand dollars to your classic banking account.
Speaker 6: The totality of this conduct forms the basis of charge two.
Speaker 2: I was looking at like, well, if you get five years,
Speaker 2: that's about three hundred grand a year, So that's better
Speaker 2: than any job you get. Well, you know, not that
Speaker 2: I want a job like that. But you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Yeah, that's a good pay.
Speaker 6: Charge three relates to a further twenty four payments for
Speaker 6: goods and services totaling twenty one thousand, five hundred and
Speaker 6: seventy four dollars and two cents, which occurred between the
Speaker 6: fifth and tenth of May of twenty eleven. Following your offending,
Speaker 6: you closed your account, as is confirmed in correspondent State
Speaker 6: of the tenth of May twenty eleven. I have been
Speaker 6: told that this was in the context of you seeking
Speaker 6: to bring your own offending to an end.
Speaker 1: Before we go live with every episode, we actually send
Speaker 1: it to Dan just to make sure we've got all
Speaker 1: the detail right. When Dan heard this part of the transcript,
Speaker 1: he sent me a text to let me know a
Speaker 1: few things that he didn't agree with.
Speaker 7: I didn't close my account.
Speaker 1: The bank made it look.
Speaker 2: Like I closed my account, but I didn't really even
Speaker 2: touch them.
Speaker 1: And he had some things that he wanted to clear up.
Speaker 1: Like you'll hear our voice actor, he's quite together. She
Speaker 1: doesn't start or miss any words. Dan said. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like that in court.
Speaker 7: The courtroom was something out of Monty Python.
Speaker 2: It was like everyone, my lawyer included, just didn't know
Speaker 2: what happened. So there was lots of like pauses and
Speaker 2: trailing off.
Speaker 7: And it was it was I just wanted to stand
Speaker 7: up and go no, no, no, that's not what happened,
Speaker 7: but you know, they would have just told me to
Speaker 7: sit down, so I just let it all happen in
Speaker 7: front of me.
Speaker 6: Really, you had made no attempts to cover your offending
Speaker 6: or what you were doing with the proceeds. It was
Speaker 6: brazen conduct over one hundred and ninety five separate transactions
Speaker 6: by a man who was clearly out of control.
Speaker 1: There's stacks in this court document which sort of backs
Speaker 1: up what Dan's been telling us through the last six episodes.
Speaker 1: Here's a little more from the magistrate.
Speaker 6: During the period of your offending, there was contact from
Speaker 6: the bank in relation to particular trans actions to ensure
Speaker 6: it was you, but never any action to cancel the
Speaker 6: card despite what must have been seen as gross misuse.
Speaker 6: Following the closure of your account, the bank apparently determined
Speaker 6: to take no action despite being aware of the extent
Speaker 6: of your overdraw. They apparently refused to discuss the matter
Speaker 6: with you, saying it was a police matter. But it
Speaker 6: seems that the matter was neither reported by them nor
Speaker 6: investigated at the time.
Speaker 1: And so what did the magistrate think of Dan's clever
Speaker 1: plan to instead of going to police, going to the media.
Speaker 6: For reasons which are far from clear. In February of
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, you participated in a newspaper interview in which
Speaker 6: you disclosed your offending, and on about the ninth of
Speaker 6: August the following year, a more detailed piece was published.
Speaker 6: These articles are Exhibit A and B. Following that, you
Speaker 6: participated in a current affair interview about your offending and
Speaker 6: the lifestyle it enabled. The recording is Exhibit D. But
Speaker 6: as discussed with counsel upon your plea, I have had
Speaker 6: regard to that only as it relates to the fact
Speaker 6: that you made admissions in relation to both taking the
Speaker 6: money and as to how it was spent. Your counsel
Speaker 6: has quite rightly not pressed remorse from an early stage
Speaker 6: given the contents of this interview, the opinions and storylines
Speaker 6: are of course not relevant. Again, it is unclear why
Speaker 6: you would have taken this course of action. I accept
Speaker 6: that the delay in charging you was in the main
Speaker 6: not attributable to you, but resulted from clear apathy on
Speaker 6: the part of the victim bank. This does not in
Speaker 6: any way excuse your offending, and I think it is
Speaker 6: difficult to say, however, that there was a burden hanging
Speaker 6: over your head. Given the contents of the twenty fourteen interview.
Speaker 6: You are entitled to have taken into account your plea
Speaker 6: of guilty, which you entered at an early stage. You
Speaker 6: spared the witnesses from giving evidence and save the community
Speaker 6: the time and expense.
Speaker 1: Of a trial.
Speaker 6: You are entitled to have that taken into account in
Speaker 6: your favor, and I have done so. I do accept
Speaker 6: that your plea is also demonstrative of some contrition. I
Speaker 6: accept that your plea should be used as some evidence
Speaker 6: of remorse. Would you stand please on charge to obtain
Speaker 6: financial advantage by deception. You are convicted and sentenced to
Speaker 6: be imprisoned for twelve months commencing this day. On the
Speaker 6: remaining charges, you are placed on a community corrections order.
Speaker 6: The order commences at the end of the sentence of imprisonment.
Speaker 6: You are to report to the Werribee Community Correction Center
Speaker 6: within two clear working days of release. The period of
Speaker 6: the order is eighteen months.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember in her closing remarks, she said
Speaker 2: things like she called the bank the victim, and a
Speaker 2: couple of people laughed.
Speaker 4: I remember at that point and she.
Speaker 2: Just basically said, you know you're you were calculating and
Speaker 2: what you did.
Speaker 4: You knew what you were doing was wrong, but.
Speaker 2: You actually know you're going to get put away because
Speaker 2: the security come and stand at the door. So before year,
Speaker 2: before she's even sort of finished, you know, the security
Speaker 2: get told you're going to be in custody. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got general awareness, you know pretty
Speaker 2: much how it's going to go.
Speaker 6: I direct it be noted in the records of the
Speaker 6: court that, were it not for your plea of guilty,
Speaker 6: I would have sentenced due to a total effective sentence
Speaker 6: of three years with a minimum of two. I further
Speaker 6: order that you pay compensation the sum of two hundred
Speaker 6: and forty eight thousand, five hundred and ninety five dollars
Speaker 6: and twelve cents to the National Australia Bank.
Speaker 2: I remember the last thing she said was take missus
Speaker 2: Saunders downstairs, thank.
Speaker 6: You very much. Could you take mister Saunders downstairs please?
Speaker 4: And I was in jail.
Speaker 1: Are you bricking it? At that stage?
Speaker 2: Not bricking it, but like Bracy just going Okay, it's time,
Speaker 2: it's happening.
Speaker 1: We're in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: Next time on the glitch. But it's weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird going to jail when you when you sort
Speaker 2: of pour it upon yourself.
Speaker 4: Really, it's pretty hate deep place.
Speaker 2: Max Max the curios and he grabbed the still guy
Speaker 2: and he just held him against the wall. He's like,
Speaker 2: because you have any fucking bacon.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, I didn't swear, I sweat.
Speaker 2: Two guys held another guy down while a third guy
Speaker 2: put a duney brush up his eyes.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's what we're in. We're in a fucking We're
Speaker 4: in a madhouse.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 2: So you just gotta sort of have your wits about
Speaker 2: it because people automatically thought I was like a wife basher,
Speaker 2: or I was like drink driving or something. There's something
Speaker 2: called called browning up, and what they do is they
Speaker 2: they ship like an inmate or shit on their hand
Speaker 2: and then wipe it all over the cell.