WEBVTT - Dumb idea Dan 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:16.841 Approache Production, episode six. That's a dumb idea, Dan. Dan 0:00:16.961 --> 0:00:20.801 Saunders is up to his neck in debt one point 0:00:20.921 --> 0:00:24.761 six million in debt to be exact, but nobody is 0:00:24.881 --> 0:00:28.561 chasing him, no calls from the cops, and the only 0:00:28.601 --> 0:00:31.721 contact he's had with the bank is the contact he 0:00:31.761 --> 0:00:36.481 made himself. Of course, he also spoke to that bloke Bernie, 0:00:36.601 --> 0:00:37.760 who told him. 0:00:37.561 --> 0:00:41.361 We won't be giving you any more money. And I'm 0:00:41.361 --> 0:00:44.081 pretty sure you know why. Sorry, he's not going to 0:00:44.081 --> 0:00:47.161 cut it. You're going to jail for a long time. 0:00:47.801 --> 0:00:50.881 Dan has also stopped spending on the Magic ACM card 0:00:51.241 --> 0:00:55.681 and the party is over. His twitchy eye has stopped, 0:00:56.321 --> 0:00:59.321 and so have the late night calls from hangers on 0:00:59.921 --> 0:01:01.921 who want to know where's the party? 0:01:02.001 --> 0:01:02.201 Dan. 0:01:03.441 --> 0:01:06.440 He's had his name in the paper, a few interviews, 0:01:06.761 --> 0:01:10.321 but still no cops busting down the door like that 0:01:10.441 --> 0:01:15.121 dream he had. So I guess the only reasonable thing 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.601 to do is to go on a current affair and 0:01:18.681 --> 0:01:24.200 tell them the whole story. Good thinking, Dan, What could 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.321 possibly go wrong? 0:01:25.881 --> 0:01:28.560 Well, I never did an interview with the current Affair. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.641 I just told him the story, and they released a 0:01:31.801 --> 0:01:34.961 story without my name, without my photo, without anything Yep. 0:01:35.081 --> 0:01:37.280 They just said a guy who used to work in 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.081 a bar got some money. 0:01:38.881 --> 0:01:40.041 Off the NAB, right. 0:01:40.521 --> 0:01:43.241 But I thought that would have been enough to jog 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:44.761 some form of communication. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.961 I would have been like I was sure. 0:01:47.041 --> 0:01:50.321 I was like, oh, there's only a current affair on 0:01:50.441 --> 0:01:54.041 primetime TV. Now someone's gonna get to the you know, 0:01:54.081 --> 0:01:55.721 get to the bottom of it. But they just kept saying, 0:01:55.921 --> 0:02:01.001 please investigation, now that's it. So yeah, So I did 0:02:01.761 --> 0:02:04.481 an interview with Adam Shant and he was very he 0:02:04.521 --> 0:02:07.681 was very very good told the story. But they still 0:02:07.721 --> 0:02:10.121 took first photos, so it looked like I was, you know, 0:02:10.561 --> 0:02:11.481 I was the one. 0:02:11.561 --> 0:02:13.961 Well, I've seen those photos. It's one of my questions, like, 0:02:14.641 --> 0:02:17.041 did you was that an actual photo or was that 0:02:17.161 --> 0:02:20.241 just a setup? For No, it's just a setup. The 0:02:20.281 --> 0:02:23.520 photos Dan's talking about are the sorts you think you 0:02:23.561 --> 0:02:27.401 would use in a salacious story on TV about a 0:02:27.441 --> 0:02:32.321 young lithario who spends money on girls, drugs, drinks and 0:02:32.361 --> 0:02:37.121 everything else. That's fun. Pictures of Dan on private jets, 0:02:37.641 --> 0:02:41.361 sipping champagne in limos with a bunch of blondes. Really, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.921 the photos make him look like a Kardashian. Dan Kardashian 0:02:46.401 --> 0:02:49.241 it's got a ring to it. It's important to note 0:02:49.561 --> 0:02:52.241 that the article from the paper which led to the 0:02:52.321 --> 0:02:56.081 first Current Affairs story was posted on the ninth of 0:02:56.121 --> 0:03:01.241 August twenty fourteen. Dan's first transaction with the glitch was 0:03:01.281 --> 0:03:05.960 in February two thousand and eleven. It's a long time 0:03:06.921 --> 0:03:08.681 between expensive drinks. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.081 Absolutely, absolutely, like it was a yeah, it was a 0:03:17.081 --> 0:03:20.041 long process. And I guess, you know, because I you know, 0:03:20.081 --> 0:03:22.560 because I started working. I worked a bit and then 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.641 sort of thought about it again and went, you know, like, 0:03:25.721 --> 0:03:29.001 I'm not really I'm not really comfortable with this because 0:03:29.161 --> 0:03:32.240 it's you know, if you if you let something go 0:03:32.921 --> 0:03:36.801 for so long, they'll walk in at the worst time. 0:03:36.601 --> 0:03:40.081 In your life. Like I was picturing like I'm going to. 0:03:40.081 --> 0:03:42.761 Meet someone, I'm going to have a son or daughter 0:03:43.201 --> 0:03:45.441 and they're going to be one years old and the 0:03:45.481 --> 0:03:48.081 cops are going to knock on the door and go, 0:03:48.161 --> 0:03:50.601 yeah you know that thing twenty eleven, You're gone. 0:03:50.681 --> 0:03:52.481 Now it's a heavy load. 0:03:52.841 --> 0:03:55.801 Well, it's it's just it's more a fact that you 0:03:55.881 --> 0:03:57.561 want to just you want to just get it done, 0:03:57.961 --> 0:04:01.561 to deal with it, you know, Like it's I think 0:04:01.601 --> 0:04:04.041 it's worse to just you know, sit by, and you know, 0:04:04.201 --> 0:04:07.481 like just you're sort of almost putting yourself up to 0:04:08.121 --> 0:04:11.160 like you know, you're putting yourself out there for more. 0:04:11.241 --> 0:04:13.961 I mean if you just bring it on and say, hey, 0:04:14.001 --> 0:04:16.801 I'm ready to take it, let's go for it. I 0:04:16.801 --> 0:04:19.961 mean it was, Yeah, that to me was the most 0:04:19.961 --> 0:04:23.721 important thing to do, you know. And yeah, people might 0:04:23.761 --> 0:04:26.721 not agree with that, and I understand that. You know, 0:04:26.761 --> 0:04:29.641 people are like, what would you do that for? And 0:04:31.001 --> 0:04:33.200 I can't even tell you that was the right thing 0:04:33.241 --> 0:04:35.801 for me. I felt that that was the right thing 0:04:35.841 --> 0:04:36.041 to do. 0:04:36.241 --> 0:04:38.281 So that's why the police must arrest you. 0:04:38.361 --> 0:04:42.721 Now, Yeah, do they know nothing? Nothing? 0:04:43.121 --> 0:04:44.961 Was there an investigation at that time into you. 0:04:45.281 --> 0:04:47.721 He couldn't establish that they wouldn't tell him that, but 0:04:48.641 --> 0:04:52.721 he definitely could establish that there wasn't many people who 0:04:52.761 --> 0:04:54.041 knew about it or talking about it. 0:04:53.961 --> 0:04:56.041 It wasn't a warrant for your arrest or anything like 0:04:56.081 --> 0:05:01.041 that that you would expect. And your bank's still in debt. Well, 0:05:01.081 --> 0:05:03.361 the bank wrote it off, wrote it off, so you 0:05:03.401 --> 0:05:08.080 don't have an NAB card and more, we actually don't 0:05:08.161 --> 0:05:10.200 know if the bank wrote off the debt. What we 0:05:10.281 --> 0:05:13.081 do know is how much Dan has to pay back 0:05:13.361 --> 0:05:16.121 and we'll get to that a little bit later. After 0:05:16.161 --> 0:05:19.921 the article in the paper, someone suggested that Dan finally 0:05:19.921 --> 0:05:23.001 go on camera with the current affair and tell his story. 0:05:23.601 --> 0:05:26.200 He'd already told his story once, but that was a 0:05:26.241 --> 0:05:29.561 short piece on TV which didn't have his face and 0:05:29.761 --> 0:05:33.080 was really just a bit of a fluff piece. So 0:05:33.241 --> 0:05:37.921 Dan's big idea, go on primetime TV and face the 0:05:38.041 --> 0:05:44.960 music and tell his story. Stupid, maybe desperate for an end. 0:05:45.401 --> 0:05:48.041 Absolutely all I'm. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.961 Trying to do is provoke some form of communication. If 0:05:52.801 --> 0:05:55.161 the bank had a came to me at any point 0:05:55.201 --> 0:05:58.801 and said, hey, we want to talk to you, I 0:05:58.801 --> 0:06:01.081 would have been like, great, let's sit down, let's have 0:06:01.161 --> 0:06:04.601 a conversation, let's sort this out. If they had to 0:06:04.721 --> 0:06:06.521 come to me and said they just sent me a 0:06:06.601 --> 0:06:10.921 letter and said that stuff in twenty eleven, that's all done. 0:06:11.561 --> 0:06:15.320 Just walk away. You think I wouldn't have walked away, 0:06:15.841 --> 0:06:19.481 No worries, I'll walk away. The problem was no one 0:06:19.521 --> 0:06:23.200 would say anything to me because no one wants to 0:06:23.201 --> 0:06:24.481 put their name to anything. 0:06:24.761 --> 0:06:26.121 You know, no one wants to go oh. 0:06:26.241 --> 0:06:28.841 I was the guy that said no, that's okay, you 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.880 can walk on that, or you know, because they're scared 0:06:31.921 --> 0:06:33.801 to say things because it'll come back and buy them 0:06:33.841 --> 0:06:36.321 on the ass. I don't know what it is, but 0:06:36.561 --> 0:06:39.241 a lot of people in that space a's scared for 0:06:39.281 --> 0:06:42.921 some reason, you know, whether they're comfortable and they don't 0:06:42.961 --> 0:06:45.521 want to push the envelope too much, I'm not sure. 0:06:46.001 --> 0:06:47.960 But no one wanted to talk to me about anything. 0:06:48.361 --> 0:06:53.081 So, yeah, I went on a current affair and you know, 0:06:53.601 --> 0:06:57.161 I didn't ask for any money. I went on there 0:06:57.241 --> 0:07:00.041 and just decided to you know, I just wanted to 0:07:00.361 --> 0:07:02.321 have a chat and lay it all out on the table. 0:07:03.041 --> 0:07:07.401 And yeah, they just man with the narrative. You know, 0:07:07.721 --> 0:07:11.401 Australia's ATM cheap and they said, you know it's an 0:07:11.401 --> 0:07:14.721 exclusive like you know, like I hadn't talked to them, like, 0:07:15.201 --> 0:07:16.641 you know, a year before that. 0:07:17.761 --> 0:07:20.401 And just basically. 0:07:21.761 --> 0:07:26.201 Light you know, like the last thing that they said 0:07:26.241 --> 0:07:27.321 on a character was. 0:07:30.041 --> 0:07:34.840 Dan's missing. Now you know there's a warrant for his arrest. 0:07:36.161 --> 0:07:42.001 If you've seen Dan, call crime Stoppers and I just 0:07:42.001 --> 0:07:42.761 watched that and I. 0:07:42.801 --> 0:07:45.241 Was like, pack a lie. 0:07:45.841 --> 0:07:48.441 We did, however, speak with him by phone and encourage 0:07:48.481 --> 0:07:51.481 him to hand himself in. At this stage, he's chosen 0:07:51.681 --> 0:07:54.481 not to contact police, who now want to arrest him 0:07:54.841 --> 0:07:57.881 if you know he's whereabouts, contact crime Stoppers on one 0:07:57.961 --> 0:08:01.561 eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. And the National Australia 0:08:01.561 --> 0:08:04.321 Bank has issued a statement in relation to those transactions. 0:08:04.561 --> 0:08:07.441 You can read on our website That. 0:08:07.441 --> 0:08:10.401 Last few moments on the Current Affair really upset Dan. 0:08:10.721 --> 0:08:13.921 He believes there was no arrest warrant against him. 0:08:14.121 --> 0:08:18.161 So then I find out that the only like, it's 0:08:18.201 --> 0:08:23.201 never been a police investigation. So all the publications that 0:08:23.361 --> 0:08:28.841 printed that prior have lied as well, because it's never 0:08:28.921 --> 0:08:34.201 been reported to the police until a Current Affair contacted 0:08:34.201 --> 0:08:36.680 the police and got them involved. 0:08:37.201 --> 0:08:42.161 He said he'd contacted the bank. Remember Bernie Bernie told 0:08:42.241 --> 0:08:46.801 Dan that it was a police matter, but from Dan's reports, 0:08:47.281 --> 0:08:47.841 it wasn't. 0:08:48.521 --> 0:08:52.761 It's never actually been a police investigation. So that blew 0:08:52.801 --> 0:08:55.641 my mind first, which. 0:08:55.481 --> 0:08:59.401 Just means that the bank never contacted police either. 0:08:59.521 --> 0:09:01.121 No, no one ever rang. 0:09:01.041 --> 0:09:02.001 With Bernie lied. 0:09:02.441 --> 0:09:06.761 Ye Bernie Bernie lied. Yeah, but you can't expect bankers 0:09:06.761 --> 0:09:07.601 to tell the truth. 0:09:07.921 --> 0:09:11.801 Here are some interesting facts that Interview on a Current 0:09:11.801 --> 0:09:15.321 Affair went to air on Monday, the third of November 0:09:15.641 --> 0:09:19.441 in twenty fourteen, the day before the Melbourne cup. 0:09:19.561 --> 0:09:23.481 The last email they sent to me said, Dan, we 0:09:23.641 --> 0:09:25.481 really hope you like the story. 0:09:25.721 --> 0:09:28.201 Dan was right. He got an email from a Current 0:09:28.241 --> 0:09:31.481 Affair at five point thirty four pm on the Monday 0:09:31.561 --> 0:09:34.641 night the story ran. It wasn't an email to say 0:09:35.041 --> 0:09:38.081 hand yourself in to police. It was a bit of 0:09:38.121 --> 0:09:44.601 a different email. He's an extract two Dan Saunders. Subject 0:09:45.241 --> 0:09:48.241 re thank you. Thanks very much for your email. Dan, 0:09:48.481 --> 0:09:51.281 You're a very funny bloke and have a way with words. 0:09:51.841 --> 0:09:54.041 I trust Adam has been in touch to let you know. 0:09:54.321 --> 0:09:56.881 The story is still running tonight. I hope you like 0:09:56.921 --> 0:10:00.161 the final products. You're more than welcome to collect the 0:10:00.201 --> 0:10:03.481 documents and photos whenever you like. I'm out of the 0:10:03.521 --> 0:10:06.001 office for the next couple of days, but we'll be 0:10:06.081 --> 0:10:10.281 back here on Thursday. Alternatively, I can have them posted 0:10:10.361 --> 0:10:13.161 out to you, whichever is easier. Just let me know 0:10:13.721 --> 0:10:15.321 kind regards, Alex. 0:10:18.761 --> 0:10:21.641 I learn off the Current Affair that there's been a 0:10:21.721 --> 0:10:25.561 warrant issued for my arrest then and only then, because 0:10:25.601 --> 0:10:30.721 the other corresponders from them is you know, Dan, best 0:10:30.721 --> 0:10:31.641 of luck for the future. 0:10:32.601 --> 0:10:37.241 So you arrive at a Current Affair headquarters. What's going 0:10:37.281 --> 0:10:38.881 on outside? Yeah? 0:10:39.001 --> 0:10:41.241 So I had a pretty good idea what was going 0:10:41.281 --> 0:10:43.801 to happen. I didn't take my phone or my wallet 0:10:43.881 --> 0:10:47.521 or anything like that, but yeah, all the cameras come 0:10:47.521 --> 0:10:51.321 out from behind, you know, the walls, and you know 0:10:51.321 --> 0:10:52.241 it's this big sting. 0:10:52.361 --> 0:10:54.681 You know, the detectives there. 0:10:54.721 --> 0:11:00.881 You know, Daniel Solanders, you're under arrest, you know. Yeah, 0:11:00.881 --> 0:11:02.921 you know you have the right to Marion insil and 0:11:02.961 --> 0:11:03.841 all that kind of stuff. 0:11:04.321 --> 0:11:05.601 You're rest. 0:11:08.361 --> 0:11:10.361 Practice, you understand these rights. 0:11:10.481 --> 0:11:10.681 Yep. 0:11:11.481 --> 0:11:14.121 I think it was quite relieved, but also it was 0:11:14.201 --> 0:11:17.081 quite bizarre because it was like, what are you what 0:11:17.121 --> 0:11:20.561 are you guys doing? So you know, then I you know, 0:11:21.521 --> 0:11:24.641 I went to the police station and the police didn't. 0:11:24.361 --> 0:11:25.041 Even interview me. 0:11:25.961 --> 0:11:29.681 The police officer that he was more across the restaurant 0:11:29.761 --> 0:11:31.801 thing than anything else. 0:11:31.921 --> 0:11:33.761 Okay, he didn't understand. 0:11:33.641 --> 0:11:36.281 So you've never been charged for the restaurant thing up 0:11:36.321 --> 0:11:38.401 to that point, not as yet. 0:11:38.761 --> 0:11:42.401 He's more talking to me about the restaurant thing, and 0:11:42.401 --> 0:11:44.721 he's like, oh, you know, we've got your on camera here, 0:11:44.801 --> 0:11:48.361 and I'm like, come on, yeah, the restaurant thing doesn't 0:11:48.441 --> 0:11:51.881 seem like it's the biggest thing in town right now, 0:11:52.241 --> 0:11:54.881 you know, And he's like, yeah. 0:11:54.681 --> 0:11:55.441 I don't know about that. 0:11:56.961 --> 0:12:00.681 So no one even interviewed me from the police because 0:12:00.681 --> 0:12:03.921 they had no idea what to even ask because it 0:12:04.001 --> 0:12:08.161 was never really police investigation. It was just they just 0:12:08.361 --> 0:12:10.561 opened one so they could get a warrant, and then 0:12:10.561 --> 0:12:12.121 it was just going to be open and shut because 0:12:12.161 --> 0:12:14.001 I said, what I did? 0:12:15.081 --> 0:12:17.321 Who do you call? You get a phone call? 0:12:17.481 --> 0:12:17.681 Oh? 0:12:17.801 --> 0:12:19.121 Yeah, I got a I got a phone call. 0:12:19.241 --> 0:12:21.561 I didn't call anyone because I knew I'd be on 0:12:21.841 --> 0:12:25.041 bail pretty quick, and so yeah, so I just I 0:12:25.161 --> 0:12:28.041 just got held in the sales for a bit and 0:12:28.361 --> 0:12:30.681 fingerprints and DNA and all that sort of stuff, and 0:12:30.681 --> 0:12:31.961 then just then just left. 0:12:32.161 --> 0:12:33.561 I was saying, before dinner. 0:12:34.441 --> 0:12:36.241 When did they run that story in a current affair 0:12:36.321 --> 0:12:40.801 that night? Like that? I'm being caught yep, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:12:42.441 --> 0:12:46.441 News update news alert, Dance Unders been captured. 0:12:46.641 --> 0:12:48.281 Thanks for our story to. 0:12:48.201 --> 0:12:51.001 A breaking breaking news on a story we brought you 0:12:51.041 --> 0:12:54.160 on Monday about atm cheat Dance Saunders. 0:12:54.681 --> 0:12:57.361 As a result of what happened to me, and only that, 0:12:57.761 --> 0:13:00.361 I can't trust anything that I read or I hear 0:13:00.761 --> 0:13:01.401 from the media. 0:13:01.441 --> 0:13:03.761 I just can't do it. I've got to see it myself. 0:13:04.801 --> 0:13:08.441 So Dan finally gets what He's been waiting for some action, 0:13:09.081 --> 0:13:13.041 some closure, and after a few years waiting, it's all 0:13:13.081 --> 0:13:16.481 about to come to a head. So what's Dan thinking 0:13:16.921 --> 0:13:21.801 right at that very moment he's arrested on TV, He's thinking, 0:13:22.681 --> 0:13:23.881 what the hell am I wearing? 0:13:24.681 --> 0:13:26.961 Have my painting shorts on? I was doing a bit 0:13:26.961 --> 0:13:29.961 of painting earlier. It was it was fine, It was 0:13:30.001 --> 0:13:30.521 an ending. 0:13:30.881 --> 0:13:32.161 It was bizarre ending. 0:13:32.241 --> 0:13:35.161 It was very weird because like, how do you act 0:13:35.241 --> 0:13:38.321 like you've got someone who was quite clearly trying to 0:13:38.361 --> 0:13:41.721 like get himself in the in the Melbourne Cup that year. 0:13:41.761 --> 0:13:44.921 So two days prior, the day, the night the day 0:13:44.961 --> 0:13:48.921 after that, they ran the story there was a horse 0:13:48.961 --> 0:13:52.161 called who shot the Barman? I was like, the barman 0:13:52.561 --> 0:13:54.561 shot himself, he shot the farm. 0:13:56.841 --> 0:13:57.321 Next time. 0:13:58.961 --> 0:14:01.841 It was over, so I was like, well, that's fine, 0:14:01.961 --> 0:14:06.081 you know. And I thought ye might get five years jail. 0:14:06.081 --> 0:14:08.321 Now, you know. So I was just sort of preparing 0:14:08.361 --> 0:14:08.681 for that. 0:14:08.761 --> 0:14:10.681 But do you speak to your mom? Do you tell 0:14:10.761 --> 0:14:11.601 mom what's going on now? 0:14:12.161 --> 0:14:16.161 Yeah? I sort of showed Mama rerun of the Current 0:14:16.201 --> 0:14:19.841 Affair interview and just said, look, this is sort. 0:14:19.681 --> 0:14:23.361 Of what's going on, and what you say. She just said, look, Yeah, 0:14:23.481 --> 0:14:25.481 you've made your bed. Now you've got to sort of 0:14:25.521 --> 0:14:25.961 lie in it. 0:14:26.641 --> 0:14:26.841 Yeah. 0:14:26.881 --> 0:14:29.441 She was like, it's good that you finally told the 0:14:29.441 --> 0:14:30.441 truth that it's good. 0:14:30.881 --> 0:14:31.361 Yeah. 0:14:31.561 --> 0:14:33.841 What about old mate and some of the other friends. 0:14:34.121 --> 0:14:36.321 Old mate was longer no contact? 0:14:36.801 --> 0:14:43.361 Like it was funny because old mate, during the time 0:14:43.561 --> 0:14:46.681 that you know, I was obviously on bail and stuff, 0:14:46.841 --> 0:14:52.081 had actually got quite a high government job. 0:14:53.201 --> 0:14:56.761 Okay, so it was very interesting. Old mate didn't want 0:14:56.761 --> 0:14:59.241 to be known as mate. Old mate was like, out, 0:14:59.561 --> 0:15:03.041 yeah he was, but you still consider him a mate now, absolutely, 0:15:03.121 --> 0:15:03.681 Like you can't. 0:15:03.921 --> 0:15:06.361 I can't go through something like that with someone and 0:15:06.401 --> 0:15:08.441 not consider them like I may. 0:15:08.681 --> 0:15:10.641 Like it was. It was amazing. 0:15:10.761 --> 0:15:13.761 I mean we might not have anything to talk about now, 0:15:13.881 --> 0:15:16.561 or you know, he you know, he might be married 0:15:16.601 --> 0:15:18.601 now with a couple of kids and you know, have 0:15:19.081 --> 0:15:21.921 a you know, a. 0:15:21.641 --> 0:15:23.081 Prestigious job or whatever. 0:15:23.241 --> 0:15:26.281 Like I don't hold any of that against him, Like 0:15:26.361 --> 0:15:28.881 I don't have any It was just what it was. 0:15:29.161 --> 0:15:32.201 You know, we all always you know, we always decided, hey, 0:15:32.241 --> 0:15:35.081 look this is going to go for as long as 0:15:35.081 --> 0:15:38.921 it goes. And then ultimately I'm the one who's going 0:15:38.961 --> 0:15:40.961 to you know, because my name on the card so 0:15:41.041 --> 0:15:43.481 I'm going to get shit canned. Let's just have fun 0:15:43.521 --> 0:15:44.361 before that happens. 0:15:44.761 --> 0:15:47.681 What about the rest of the crew, the solid crew 0:15:47.721 --> 0:15:48.321 that we're around. 0:15:48.441 --> 0:15:51.641 Yeah, there's only only sort of two guys that really 0:15:51.841 --> 0:15:55.961 really stuck by during that time. It's funny like when 0:15:57.121 --> 0:16:01.361 police and courts and stuff get evolved. Yeah, people sort 0:16:01.361 --> 0:16:03.721 of run a mile a little bit. 0:16:04.121 --> 0:16:07.961 But like, and are they thinking that you're possibly gonna 0:16:08.321 --> 0:16:09.921 implicate them in something? 0:16:10.041 --> 0:16:10.521 Possibly? 0:16:10.601 --> 0:16:12.761 Yeah, I don't know, Like I think I think it's 0:16:12.881 --> 0:16:15.121 you know, it just comes from watching too many movies probably, 0:16:15.481 --> 0:16:18.841 you know, like the coffs in coffsing out a clue 0:16:18.881 --> 0:16:20.681 what happened, they weren't interested either. 0:16:20.721 --> 0:16:22.481 They didn't give a shit. Yeah. 0:16:22.561 --> 0:16:26.241 One of those blokes that stuck around was Evano, Dan's 0:16:26.241 --> 0:16:27.481 good mate from Wangaratta. 0:16:28.921 --> 0:16:31.641 Yeah, there was a bit of anxiety on my front. 0:16:31.681 --> 0:16:34.601 I did at one point think maybe I might get 0:16:34.601 --> 0:16:38.641 in trouble for this, just because maybe I was associated 0:16:38.641 --> 0:16:39.001 with Dan. 0:16:39.081 --> 0:16:42.561 But yeah, are you nervous about this podcast because of that? 0:16:42.761 --> 0:16:43.401 Or No? 0:16:43.521 --> 0:16:47.201 To be honest enough times past yep. But if you 0:16:47.321 --> 0:16:51.041 had approached me five years ago, I probably would have 0:16:51.041 --> 0:16:53.321 said no. I felt a lot of concern for Dan like, 0:16:53.921 --> 0:16:56.401 I'm one of the people who was always there for him. 0:16:56.441 --> 0:16:59.241 A lot of his mates jumped ship, and when he 0:16:59.321 --> 0:17:01.601 went to prison, a lot of his mates didn't want 0:17:01.641 --> 0:17:04.321 anything to do with him. I don't feel like I 0:17:04.361 --> 0:17:05.481 was one of those people. 0:17:05.961 --> 0:17:09.521 Did you see him on a current affair? Yes? Did 0:17:09.521 --> 0:17:10.840 he tell you that it was going to be on 0:17:11.041 --> 0:17:11.920 or No? He didn't. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.321 No, he didn't tell me. 0:17:14.441 --> 0:17:15.960 He just just did it. 0:17:16.001 --> 0:17:21.041 And it was pretty crazy just the way he went 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:25.120 about it. It's yeah, dandy, unique fella like, I've got 0:17:25.201 --> 0:17:27.840 so much respect for him, but I wouldn't have turned 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:28.281 myself in. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.041 Do you think he would have got away with it 0:17:31.041 --> 0:17:34.961 if he hadn't have gone to the newspapers and the TV? Definitely? 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.960 Yeah, I do. Yeah. But at the same time, I 0:17:39.961 --> 0:17:43.481 do think he needed some kind of closure. So I 0:17:43.521 --> 0:17:45.840 think it's been the best for him, the best thing 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.761 for him long term. But he wouldn't have gone to 0:17:48.801 --> 0:17:51.200 jail if he didn't turn himself in. That's my honest opinion. 0:17:54.801 --> 0:17:57.360 Did the bank question you so you're on bail or 0:17:57.441 --> 0:18:00.321 remand does the bank question you in that period? 0:18:01.120 --> 0:18:03.120 No, No, the bank crickets. 0:18:03.241 --> 0:18:04.201 Nothing from the bank. 0:18:05.120 --> 0:18:10.001 The bank issued a statement and gave evidence to court, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.080 but that was just the statements. 0:18:13.001 --> 0:18:16.720 So issued your statements essentially your banking statements which we've seen, and. 0:18:18.041 --> 0:18:20.921 Just said this money was obtained by deception. 0:18:21.561 --> 0:18:21.880 That's it. 0:18:22.241 --> 0:18:22.840 That's all I had to. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.360 Get admitted that that's what you've done. 0:18:24.441 --> 0:18:30.561 So nothing about how, nothing about their system, nothing about that. 0:18:30.761 --> 0:18:34.681 Just just bad Dan. Dan's got to go to jail. 0:18:34.921 --> 0:18:35.361 That's it. 0:18:35.561 --> 0:18:39.241 Like even Mike QC I just told him to be quiet. 0:18:39.321 --> 0:18:41.240 I just think I just don't even talk, like you 0:18:41.281 --> 0:18:43.600 don't even know what's going on anyway, you know, like 0:18:43.801 --> 0:18:44.640 just forget it. 0:18:44.721 --> 0:18:48.600 How you pay for the QC? Yeah, bank, that's money. Yeah. 0:18:48.801 --> 0:18:51.201 I don't have any remorse for the bank. The bank 0:18:51.281 --> 0:18:54.200 is the bank. They're like, if you could touch the sites, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:54.961 I don't think so. 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.481 I think they're fine, they'll be okay. 0:19:00.521 --> 0:19:03.721 Dan requested court documents, which is given to us. The 0:19:03.721 --> 0:19:08.400 Crown Prosecutor had three charges against Dan, one for theft 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:14.281 and two charges for obtaining financial advantage by deception. Charge 0:19:14.281 --> 0:19:17.840 one says he stole the amount of eighty thousand, two 0:19:17.961 --> 0:19:22.001 hundred and twenty dollars from the National Australia Bank. Charge 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.801 two says that he owed payment of debts using a 0:19:25.921 --> 0:19:30.200 National Australian Bank MasterCard to make each payment for the 0:19:30.241 --> 0:19:34.160 amount of one hundred and forty six thousand, eight hundred 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:39.241 dollars and twenty cents, and the final charge was more 0:19:39.281 --> 0:19:42.840 payments that Dan had made to providers of merchants to 0:19:42.921 --> 0:19:45.960 the amount of twenty one thousand, five hundred and seventy 0:19:45.961 --> 0:19:50.241 four dollars and ninety two cents. Along with these charges, 0:19:50.241 --> 0:19:52.961 there was a list of transaction details for each amount 0:19:53.521 --> 0:19:57.241 and the date it was spent. Here's a transcript read 0:19:57.241 --> 0:20:00.721 by a friend of the sentencing remarks from the court. 0:20:01.321 --> 0:20:04.640 Daniel Saunders, you have pleaded guilty to one charge of 0:20:04.721 --> 0:20:09.521 theft and two charges of obtaining a financial advantage by deception. 0:20:10.281 --> 0:20:14.641 The maximum penalty for each offense is ten years imprisonment. 0:20:15.521 --> 0:20:19.521 On the twenty first of February twenty eleven, you discovered that, 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.321 despite your account having a zero balance, you were able 0:20:23.360 --> 0:20:27.360 to use your Visa debit card to withdraw money, apparently 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.361 as a result of an error in the magnetic coding 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.720 attached to that card. On the day you discovered this, 0:20:33.801 --> 0:20:37.801 anomally you made five withdrawals and in the period up 0:20:37.801 --> 0:20:40.241 to the eighth of May of that year, you made 0:20:40.241 --> 0:20:44.521 a further sixty nine withdrawls. The total amount you gained 0:20:44.681 --> 0:20:49.120 was eighty eight hundred and twenty dollars. This conduct forms 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.681 the basis of charge one. 0:20:51.241 --> 0:20:53.041 You know, there was points where I had five million 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.600 dollars in my bank account. They weren't missing that money. 0:20:57.360 --> 0:21:00.521 So what was the money real or just numbers on 0:21:00.561 --> 0:21:01.080 a screen. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.081 It's all valid. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.761 Questions I think, I mean, how can you miss that 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.840