1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:16,841 Speaker 1: Approache Production, episode six. That's a dumb idea, Dan. Dan 2 00:00:16,961 --> 00:00:20,801 Speaker 1: Saunders is up to his neck in debt one point 3 00:00:20,921 --> 00:00:24,761 Speaker 1: six million in debt to be exact, but nobody is 4 00:00:24,881 --> 00:00:28,561 Speaker 1: chasing him, no calls from the cops, and the only 5 00:00:28,601 --> 00:00:31,721 Speaker 1: contact he's had with the bank is the contact he 6 00:00:31,761 --> 00:00:36,481 Speaker 1: made himself. Of course, he also spoke to that bloke Bernie, 7 00:00:36,601 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: who told him. 8 00:00:37,561 --> 00:00:41,361 Speaker 2: We won't be giving you any more money. And I'm 9 00:00:41,361 --> 00:00:44,081 Speaker 2: pretty sure you know why. Sorry, he's not going to 10 00:00:44,081 --> 00:00:47,161 Speaker 2: cut it. You're going to jail for a long time. 11 00:00:47,801 --> 00:00:50,881 Speaker 1: Dan has also stopped spending on the Magic ACM card 12 00:00:51,241 --> 00:00:55,681 Speaker 1: and the party is over. His twitchy eye has stopped, 13 00:00:56,321 --> 00:00:59,321 Speaker 1: and so have the late night calls from hangers on 14 00:00:59,921 --> 00:01:01,921 Speaker 1: who want to know where's the party? 15 00:01:02,001 --> 00:01:02,201 Speaker 3: Dan. 16 00:01:03,441 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: He's had his name in the paper, a few interviews, 17 00:01:06,761 --> 00:01:10,321 Speaker 1: but still no cops busting down the door like that 18 00:01:10,441 --> 00:01:15,121 Speaker 1: dream he had. So I guess the only reasonable thing 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,601 Speaker 1: to do is to go on a current affair and 20 00:01:18,681 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: tell them the whole story. Good thinking, Dan, What could 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,321 Speaker 1: possibly go wrong? 22 00:01:25,881 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: Well, I never did an interview with the current Affair. 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,641 Speaker 2: I just told him the story, and they released a 24 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:34,961 Speaker 2: story without my name, without my photo, without anything Yep. 25 00:01:35,081 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: They just said a guy who used to work in 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,081 Speaker 2: a bar got some money. 27 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:40,041 Speaker 4: Off the NAB, right. 28 00:01:40,521 --> 00:01:43,241 Speaker 2: But I thought that would have been enough to jog 29 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,761 Speaker 2: some form of communication. 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,961 Speaker 4: I would have been like I was sure. 31 00:01:47,041 --> 00:01:50,321 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there's only a current affair on 32 00:01:50,441 --> 00:01:54,041 Speaker 2: primetime TV. Now someone's gonna get to the you know, 33 00:01:54,081 --> 00:01:55,721 Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. But they just kept saying, 34 00:01:55,921 --> 00:02:01,001 Speaker 2: please investigation, now that's it. So yeah, So I did 35 00:02:01,761 --> 00:02:04,481 Speaker 2: an interview with Adam Shant and he was very he 36 00:02:04,521 --> 00:02:07,681 Speaker 2: was very very good told the story. But they still 37 00:02:07,721 --> 00:02:10,121 Speaker 2: took first photos, so it looked like I was, you know, 38 00:02:10,561 --> 00:02:11,481 Speaker 2: I was the one. 39 00:02:11,561 --> 00:02:13,961 Speaker 1: Well, I've seen those photos. It's one of my questions, like, 40 00:02:14,641 --> 00:02:17,041 Speaker 1: did you was that an actual photo or was that 41 00:02:17,161 --> 00:02:20,241 Speaker 1: just a setup? For No, it's just a setup. The 42 00:02:20,281 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: photos Dan's talking about are the sorts you think you 43 00:02:23,561 --> 00:02:27,401 Speaker 1: would use in a salacious story on TV about a 44 00:02:27,441 --> 00:02:32,321 Speaker 1: young lithario who spends money on girls, drugs, drinks and 45 00:02:32,361 --> 00:02:37,121 Speaker 1: everything else. That's fun. Pictures of Dan on private jets, 46 00:02:37,641 --> 00:02:41,361 Speaker 1: sipping champagne in limos with a bunch of blondes. Really, 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,921 Speaker 1: the photos make him look like a Kardashian. Dan Kardashian 48 00:02:46,401 --> 00:02:49,241 Speaker 1: it's got a ring to it. It's important to note 49 00:02:49,561 --> 00:02:52,241 Speaker 1: that the article from the paper which led to the 50 00:02:52,321 --> 00:02:56,081 Speaker 1: first Current Affairs story was posted on the ninth of 51 00:02:56,121 --> 00:03:01,241 Speaker 1: August twenty fourteen. Dan's first transaction with the glitch was 52 00:03:01,281 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: in February two thousand and eleven. It's a long time 53 00:03:06,921 --> 00:03:08,681 Speaker 1: between expensive drinks. 54 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,081 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, like it was a yeah, it was a 55 00:03:17,081 --> 00:03:20,041 Speaker 2: long process. And I guess, you know, because I you know, 56 00:03:20,081 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: because I started working. I worked a bit and then 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,641 Speaker 2: sort of thought about it again and went, you know, like, 58 00:03:25,721 --> 00:03:29,001 Speaker 2: I'm not really I'm not really comfortable with this because 59 00:03:29,161 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: it's you know, if you if you let something go 60 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:36,801 Speaker 2: for so long, they'll walk in at the worst time. 61 00:03:36,601 --> 00:03:40,081 Speaker 4: In your life. Like I was picturing like I'm going to. 62 00:03:40,081 --> 00:03:42,761 Speaker 2: Meet someone, I'm going to have a son or daughter 63 00:03:43,201 --> 00:03:45,441 Speaker 2: and they're going to be one years old and the 64 00:03:45,481 --> 00:03:48,081 Speaker 2: cops are going to knock on the door and go, 65 00:03:48,161 --> 00:03:50,601 Speaker 2: yeah you know that thing twenty eleven, You're gone. 66 00:03:50,681 --> 00:03:52,481 Speaker 4: Now it's a heavy load. 67 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:55,801 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's just it's more a fact that you 68 00:03:55,881 --> 00:03:57,561 Speaker 2: want to just you want to just get it done, 69 00:03:57,961 --> 00:04:01,561 Speaker 2: to deal with it, you know, Like it's I think 70 00:04:01,601 --> 00:04:04,041 Speaker 2: it's worse to just you know, sit by, and you know, 71 00:04:04,201 --> 00:04:07,481 Speaker 2: like just you're sort of almost putting yourself up to 72 00:04:08,121 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: like you know, you're putting yourself out there for more. 73 00:04:11,241 --> 00:04:13,961 Speaker 2: I mean if you just bring it on and say, hey, 74 00:04:14,001 --> 00:04:16,801 Speaker 2: I'm ready to take it, let's go for it. I 75 00:04:16,801 --> 00:04:19,961 Speaker 2: mean it was, Yeah, that to me was the most 76 00:04:19,961 --> 00:04:23,721 Speaker 2: important thing to do, you know. And yeah, people might 77 00:04:23,761 --> 00:04:26,721 Speaker 2: not agree with that, and I understand that. You know, 78 00:04:26,761 --> 00:04:29,641 Speaker 2: people are like, what would you do that for? And 79 00:04:31,001 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: I can't even tell you that was the right thing 80 00:04:33,241 --> 00:04:35,801 Speaker 2: for me. I felt that that was the right thing 81 00:04:35,841 --> 00:04:36,041 Speaker 2: to do. 82 00:04:36,241 --> 00:04:38,281 Speaker 1: So that's why the police must arrest you. 83 00:04:38,361 --> 00:04:42,721 Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, do they know nothing? Nothing? 84 00:04:43,121 --> 00:04:44,961 Speaker 1: Was there an investigation at that time into you. 85 00:04:45,281 --> 00:04:47,721 Speaker 2: He couldn't establish that they wouldn't tell him that, but 86 00:04:48,641 --> 00:04:52,721 Speaker 2: he definitely could establish that there wasn't many people who 87 00:04:52,761 --> 00:04:54,041 Speaker 2: knew about it or talking about it. 88 00:04:53,961 --> 00:04:56,041 Speaker 1: It wasn't a warrant for your arrest or anything like 89 00:04:56,081 --> 00:05:01,041 Speaker 1: that that you would expect. And your bank's still in debt. Well, 90 00:05:01,081 --> 00:05:03,361 Speaker 1: the bank wrote it off, wrote it off, so you 91 00:05:03,401 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: don't have an NAB card and more, we actually don't 92 00:05:08,161 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: know if the bank wrote off the debt. What we 93 00:05:10,281 --> 00:05:13,081 Speaker 1: do know is how much Dan has to pay back 94 00:05:13,361 --> 00:05:16,121 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that a little bit later. After 95 00:05:16,161 --> 00:05:19,921 Speaker 1: the article in the paper, someone suggested that Dan finally 96 00:05:19,921 --> 00:05:23,001 Speaker 1: go on camera with the current affair and tell his story. 97 00:05:23,601 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: He'd already told his story once, but that was a 98 00:05:26,241 --> 00:05:29,561 Speaker 1: short piece on TV which didn't have his face and 99 00:05:29,761 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: was really just a bit of a fluff piece. So 100 00:05:33,241 --> 00:05:37,921 Speaker 1: Dan's big idea, go on primetime TV and face the 101 00:05:38,041 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: music and tell his story. Stupid, maybe desperate for an end. 102 00:05:45,401 --> 00:05:48,041 Speaker 1: Absolutely all I'm. 103 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,961 Speaker 2: Trying to do is provoke some form of communication. If 104 00:05:52,801 --> 00:05:55,161 Speaker 2: the bank had a came to me at any point 105 00:05:55,201 --> 00:05:58,801 Speaker 2: and said, hey, we want to talk to you, I 106 00:05:58,801 --> 00:06:01,081 Speaker 2: would have been like, great, let's sit down, let's have 107 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:04,601 Speaker 2: a conversation, let's sort this out. If they had to 108 00:06:04,721 --> 00:06:06,521 Speaker 2: come to me and said they just sent me a 109 00:06:06,601 --> 00:06:10,921 Speaker 2: letter and said that stuff in twenty eleven, that's all done. 110 00:06:11,561 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: Just walk away. You think I wouldn't have walked away, 111 00:06:15,841 --> 00:06:19,481 Speaker 2: No worries, I'll walk away. The problem was no one 112 00:06:19,521 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: would say anything to me because no one wants to 113 00:06:23,201 --> 00:06:24,481 Speaker 2: put their name to anything. 114 00:06:24,761 --> 00:06:26,121 Speaker 4: You know, no one wants to go oh. 115 00:06:26,241 --> 00:06:28,841 Speaker 2: I was the guy that said no, that's okay, you 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: can walk on that, or you know, because they're scared 117 00:06:31,921 --> 00:06:33,801 Speaker 2: to say things because it'll come back and buy them 118 00:06:33,841 --> 00:06:36,321 Speaker 2: on the ass. I don't know what it is, but 119 00:06:36,561 --> 00:06:39,241 Speaker 2: a lot of people in that space a's scared for 120 00:06:39,281 --> 00:06:42,921 Speaker 2: some reason, you know, whether they're comfortable and they don't 121 00:06:42,961 --> 00:06:45,521 Speaker 2: want to push the envelope too much, I'm not sure. 122 00:06:46,001 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: But no one wanted to talk to me about anything. 123 00:06:48,361 --> 00:06:53,081 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I went on a current affair and you know, 124 00:06:53,601 --> 00:06:57,161 Speaker 2: I didn't ask for any money. I went on there 125 00:06:57,241 --> 00:07:00,041 Speaker 2: and just decided to you know, I just wanted to 126 00:07:00,361 --> 00:07:02,321 Speaker 2: have a chat and lay it all out on the table. 127 00:07:03,041 --> 00:07:07,401 Speaker 2: And yeah, they just man with the narrative. You know, 128 00:07:07,721 --> 00:07:11,401 Speaker 2: Australia's ATM cheap and they said, you know it's an 129 00:07:11,401 --> 00:07:14,721 Speaker 2: exclusive like you know, like I hadn't talked to them, like, 130 00:07:15,201 --> 00:07:16,641 Speaker 2: you know, a year before that. 131 00:07:17,761 --> 00:07:20,401 Speaker 1: And just basically. 132 00:07:21,761 --> 00:07:26,201 Speaker 2: Light you know, like the last thing that they said 133 00:07:26,241 --> 00:07:27,321 Speaker 2: on a character was. 134 00:07:30,041 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: Dan's missing. Now you know there's a warrant for his arrest. 135 00:07:36,161 --> 00:07:42,001 Speaker 2: If you've seen Dan, call crime Stoppers and I just 136 00:07:42,001 --> 00:07:42,761 Speaker 2: watched that and I. 137 00:07:42,801 --> 00:07:45,241 Speaker 1: Was like, pack a lie. 138 00:07:45,841 --> 00:07:48,441 Speaker 3: We did, however, speak with him by phone and encourage 139 00:07:48,481 --> 00:07:51,481 Speaker 3: him to hand himself in. At this stage, he's chosen 140 00:07:51,681 --> 00:07:54,481 Speaker 3: not to contact police, who now want to arrest him 141 00:07:54,841 --> 00:07:57,881 Speaker 3: if you know he's whereabouts, contact crime Stoppers on one 142 00:07:57,961 --> 00:08:01,561 Speaker 3: eight hundred, triple three, triple zero. And the National Australia 143 00:08:01,561 --> 00:08:04,321 Speaker 3: Bank has issued a statement in relation to those transactions. 144 00:08:04,561 --> 00:08:07,441 Speaker 3: You can read on our website That. 145 00:08:07,441 --> 00:08:10,401 Speaker 1: Last few moments on the Current Affair really upset Dan. 146 00:08:10,721 --> 00:08:13,921 Speaker 1: He believes there was no arrest warrant against him. 147 00:08:14,121 --> 00:08:18,161 Speaker 2: So then I find out that the only like, it's 148 00:08:18,201 --> 00:08:23,201 Speaker 2: never been a police investigation. So all the publications that 149 00:08:23,361 --> 00:08:28,841 Speaker 2: printed that prior have lied as well, because it's never 150 00:08:28,921 --> 00:08:34,201 Speaker 2: been reported to the police until a Current Affair contacted 151 00:08:34,201 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: the police and got them involved. 152 00:08:37,201 --> 00:08:42,161 Speaker 1: He said he'd contacted the bank. Remember Bernie Bernie told 153 00:08:42,241 --> 00:08:46,801 Speaker 1: Dan that it was a police matter, but from Dan's reports, 154 00:08:47,281 --> 00:08:47,841 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 155 00:08:48,521 --> 00:08:52,761 Speaker 2: It's never actually been a police investigation. So that blew 156 00:08:52,801 --> 00:08:55,641 Speaker 2: my mind first, which. 157 00:08:55,481 --> 00:08:59,401 Speaker 1: Just means that the bank never contacted police either. 158 00:08:59,521 --> 00:09:01,121 Speaker 4: No, no one ever rang. 159 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:02,001 Speaker 1: With Bernie lied. 160 00:09:02,441 --> 00:09:06,761 Speaker 4: Ye Bernie Bernie lied. Yeah, but you can't expect bankers 161 00:09:06,761 --> 00:09:07,601 Speaker 4: to tell the truth. 162 00:09:07,921 --> 00:09:11,801 Speaker 1: Here are some interesting facts that Interview on a Current 163 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:15,321 Speaker 1: Affair went to air on Monday, the third of November 164 00:09:15,641 --> 00:09:19,441 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, the day before the Melbourne cup. 165 00:09:19,561 --> 00:09:23,481 Speaker 2: The last email they sent to me said, Dan, we 166 00:09:23,641 --> 00:09:25,481 Speaker 2: really hope you like the story. 167 00:09:25,721 --> 00:09:28,201 Speaker 1: Dan was right. He got an email from a Current 168 00:09:28,241 --> 00:09:31,481 Speaker 1: Affair at five point thirty four pm on the Monday 169 00:09:31,561 --> 00:09:34,641 Speaker 1: night the story ran. It wasn't an email to say 170 00:09:35,041 --> 00:09:38,081 Speaker 1: hand yourself in to police. It was a bit of 171 00:09:38,121 --> 00:09:44,601 Speaker 1: a different email. He's an extract two Dan Saunders. Subject 172 00:09:45,241 --> 00:09:48,241 Speaker 1: re thank you. Thanks very much for your email. Dan, 173 00:09:48,481 --> 00:09:51,281 Speaker 1: You're a very funny bloke and have a way with words. 174 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:54,041 Speaker 1: I trust Adam has been in touch to let you know. 175 00:09:54,321 --> 00:09:56,881 Speaker 1: The story is still running tonight. I hope you like 176 00:09:56,921 --> 00:10:00,161 Speaker 1: the final products. You're more than welcome to collect the 177 00:10:00,201 --> 00:10:03,481 Speaker 1: documents and photos whenever you like. I'm out of the 178 00:10:03,521 --> 00:10:06,001 Speaker 1: office for the next couple of days, but we'll be 179 00:10:06,081 --> 00:10:10,281 Speaker 1: back here on Thursday. Alternatively, I can have them posted 180 00:10:10,361 --> 00:10:13,161 Speaker 1: out to you, whichever is easier. Just let me know 181 00:10:13,721 --> 00:10:15,321 Speaker 1: kind regards, Alex. 182 00:10:18,761 --> 00:10:21,641 Speaker 2: I learn off the Current Affair that there's been a 183 00:10:21,721 --> 00:10:25,561 Speaker 2: warrant issued for my arrest then and only then, because 184 00:10:25,601 --> 00:10:30,721 Speaker 2: the other corresponders from them is you know, Dan, best 185 00:10:30,721 --> 00:10:31,641 Speaker 2: of luck for the future. 186 00:10:32,601 --> 00:10:37,241 Speaker 1: So you arrive at a Current Affair headquarters. What's going 187 00:10:37,281 --> 00:10:38,881 Speaker 1: on outside? Yeah? 188 00:10:39,001 --> 00:10:41,241 Speaker 2: So I had a pretty good idea what was going 189 00:10:41,281 --> 00:10:43,801 Speaker 2: to happen. I didn't take my phone or my wallet 190 00:10:43,881 --> 00:10:47,521 Speaker 2: or anything like that, but yeah, all the cameras come 191 00:10:47,521 --> 00:10:51,321 Speaker 2: out from behind, you know, the walls, and you know 192 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:52,241 Speaker 2: it's this big sting. 193 00:10:52,361 --> 00:10:54,681 Speaker 4: You know, the detectives there. 194 00:10:54,721 --> 00:11:00,881 Speaker 2: You know, Daniel Solanders, you're under arrest, you know. Yeah, 195 00:11:00,881 --> 00:11:02,921 Speaker 2: you know you have the right to Marion insil and 196 00:11:02,961 --> 00:11:03,841 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. 197 00:11:04,321 --> 00:11:05,601 Speaker 5: You're rest. 198 00:11:08,361 --> 00:11:10,361 Speaker 4: Practice, you understand these rights. 199 00:11:10,481 --> 00:11:10,681 Speaker 5: Yep. 200 00:11:11,481 --> 00:11:14,121 Speaker 2: I think it was quite relieved, but also it was 201 00:11:14,201 --> 00:11:17,081 Speaker 2: quite bizarre because it was like, what are you what 202 00:11:17,121 --> 00:11:20,561 Speaker 2: are you guys doing? So you know, then I you know, 203 00:11:21,521 --> 00:11:24,641 Speaker 2: I went to the police station and the police didn't. 204 00:11:24,361 --> 00:11:25,041 Speaker 4: Even interview me. 205 00:11:25,961 --> 00:11:29,681 Speaker 2: The police officer that he was more across the restaurant 206 00:11:29,761 --> 00:11:31,801 Speaker 2: thing than anything else. 207 00:11:31,921 --> 00:11:33,761 Speaker 4: Okay, he didn't understand. 208 00:11:33,641 --> 00:11:36,281 Speaker 1: So you've never been charged for the restaurant thing up 209 00:11:36,321 --> 00:11:38,401 Speaker 1: to that point, not as yet. 210 00:11:38,761 --> 00:11:42,401 Speaker 2: He's more talking to me about the restaurant thing, and 211 00:11:42,401 --> 00:11:44,721 Speaker 2: he's like, oh, you know, we've got your on camera here, 212 00:11:44,801 --> 00:11:48,361 Speaker 2: and I'm like, come on, yeah, the restaurant thing doesn't 213 00:11:48,441 --> 00:11:51,881 Speaker 2: seem like it's the biggest thing in town right now, 214 00:11:52,241 --> 00:11:54,881 Speaker 2: you know, And he's like, yeah. 215 00:11:54,681 --> 00:11:55,441 Speaker 4: I don't know about that. 216 00:11:56,961 --> 00:12:00,681 Speaker 2: So no one even interviewed me from the police because 217 00:12:00,681 --> 00:12:03,921 Speaker 2: they had no idea what to even ask because it 218 00:12:04,001 --> 00:12:08,161 Speaker 2: was never really police investigation. It was just they just 219 00:12:08,361 --> 00:12:10,561 Speaker 2: opened one so they could get a warrant, and then 220 00:12:10,561 --> 00:12:12,121 Speaker 2: it was just going to be open and shut because 221 00:12:12,161 --> 00:12:14,001 Speaker 2: I said, what I did? 222 00:12:15,081 --> 00:12:17,321 Speaker 1: Who do you call? You get a phone call? 223 00:12:17,481 --> 00:12:17,681 Speaker 2: Oh? 224 00:12:17,801 --> 00:12:19,121 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a I got a phone call. 225 00:12:19,241 --> 00:12:21,561 Speaker 2: I didn't call anyone because I knew I'd be on 226 00:12:21,841 --> 00:12:25,041 Speaker 2: bail pretty quick, and so yeah, so I just I 227 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:28,041 Speaker 2: just got held in the sales for a bit and 228 00:12:28,361 --> 00:12:30,681 Speaker 2: fingerprints and DNA and all that sort of stuff, and 229 00:12:30,681 --> 00:12:31,961 Speaker 2: then just then just left. 230 00:12:32,161 --> 00:12:33,561 Speaker 4: I was saying, before dinner. 231 00:12:34,441 --> 00:12:36,241 Speaker 1: When did they run that story in a current affair 232 00:12:36,321 --> 00:12:40,801 Speaker 1: that night? Like that? I'm being caught yep, yeah, yeah yeah. 233 00:12:42,441 --> 00:12:46,441 Speaker 2: News update news alert, Dance Unders been captured. 234 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,281 Speaker 4: Thanks for our story to. 235 00:12:48,201 --> 00:12:51,001 Speaker 3: A breaking breaking news on a story we brought you 236 00:12:51,041 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: on Monday about atm cheat Dance Saunders. 237 00:12:54,681 --> 00:12:57,361 Speaker 2: As a result of what happened to me, and only that, 238 00:12:57,761 --> 00:13:00,361 Speaker 2: I can't trust anything that I read or I hear 239 00:13:00,761 --> 00:13:01,401 Speaker 2: from the media. 240 00:13:01,441 --> 00:13:03,761 Speaker 4: I just can't do it. I've got to see it myself. 241 00:13:04,801 --> 00:13:08,441 Speaker 1: So Dan finally gets what He's been waiting for some action, 242 00:13:09,081 --> 00:13:13,041 Speaker 1: some closure, and after a few years waiting, it's all 243 00:13:13,081 --> 00:13:16,481 Speaker 1: about to come to a head. So what's Dan thinking 244 00:13:16,921 --> 00:13:21,801 Speaker 1: right at that very moment he's arrested on TV, He's thinking, 245 00:13:22,681 --> 00:13:23,881 Speaker 1: what the hell am I wearing? 246 00:13:24,681 --> 00:13:26,961 Speaker 2: Have my painting shorts on? I was doing a bit 247 00:13:26,961 --> 00:13:29,961 Speaker 2: of painting earlier. It was it was fine, It was 248 00:13:30,001 --> 00:13:30,521 Speaker 2: an ending. 249 00:13:30,881 --> 00:13:32,161 Speaker 1: It was bizarre ending. 250 00:13:32,241 --> 00:13:35,161 Speaker 2: It was very weird because like, how do you act 251 00:13:35,241 --> 00:13:38,321 Speaker 2: like you've got someone who was quite clearly trying to 252 00:13:38,361 --> 00:13:41,721 Speaker 2: like get himself in the in the Melbourne Cup that year. 253 00:13:41,761 --> 00:13:44,921 Speaker 2: So two days prior, the day, the night the day 254 00:13:44,961 --> 00:13:48,921 Speaker 2: after that, they ran the story there was a horse 255 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:52,161 Speaker 2: called who shot the Barman? I was like, the barman 256 00:13:52,561 --> 00:13:54,561 Speaker 2: shot himself, he shot the farm. 257 00:13:56,841 --> 00:13:57,321 Speaker 1: Next time. 258 00:13:58,961 --> 00:14:01,841 Speaker 2: It was over, so I was like, well, that's fine, 259 00:14:01,961 --> 00:14:06,081 Speaker 2: you know. And I thought ye might get five years jail. 260 00:14:06,081 --> 00:14:08,321 Speaker 4: Now, you know. So I was just sort of preparing 261 00:14:08,361 --> 00:14:08,681 Speaker 4: for that. 262 00:14:08,761 --> 00:14:10,681 Speaker 1: But do you speak to your mom? Do you tell 263 00:14:10,761 --> 00:14:11,601 Speaker 1: mom what's going on now? 264 00:14:12,161 --> 00:14:16,161 Speaker 2: Yeah? I sort of showed Mama rerun of the Current 265 00:14:16,201 --> 00:14:19,841 Speaker 2: Affair interview and just said, look, this is sort. 266 00:14:19,681 --> 00:14:23,361 Speaker 4: Of what's going on, and what you say. She just said, look, Yeah, 267 00:14:23,481 --> 00:14:25,481 Speaker 4: you've made your bed. Now you've got to sort of 268 00:14:25,521 --> 00:14:25,961 Speaker 4: lie in it. 269 00:14:26,641 --> 00:14:26,841 Speaker 1: Yeah. 270 00:14:26,881 --> 00:14:29,441 Speaker 2: She was like, it's good that you finally told the 271 00:14:29,441 --> 00:14:30,441 Speaker 2: truth that it's good. 272 00:14:30,881 --> 00:14:31,361 Speaker 4: Yeah. 273 00:14:31,561 --> 00:14:33,841 Speaker 1: What about old mate and some of the other friends. 274 00:14:34,121 --> 00:14:36,321 Speaker 1: Old mate was longer no contact? 275 00:14:36,801 --> 00:14:43,361 Speaker 2: Like it was funny because old mate, during the time 276 00:14:43,561 --> 00:14:46,681 Speaker 2: that you know, I was obviously on bail and stuff, 277 00:14:46,841 --> 00:14:52,081 Speaker 2: had actually got quite a high government job. 278 00:14:53,201 --> 00:14:56,761 Speaker 1: Okay, so it was very interesting. Old mate didn't want 279 00:14:56,761 --> 00:14:59,241 Speaker 1: to be known as mate. Old mate was like, out, 280 00:14:59,561 --> 00:15:03,041 Speaker 1: yeah he was, but you still consider him a mate now, absolutely, 281 00:15:03,121 --> 00:15:03,681 Speaker 1: Like you can't. 282 00:15:03,921 --> 00:15:06,361 Speaker 2: I can't go through something like that with someone and 283 00:15:06,401 --> 00:15:08,441 Speaker 2: not consider them like I may. 284 00:15:08,681 --> 00:15:10,641 Speaker 4: Like it was. It was amazing. 285 00:15:10,761 --> 00:15:13,761 Speaker 2: I mean we might not have anything to talk about now, 286 00:15:13,881 --> 00:15:16,561 Speaker 2: or you know, he you know, he might be married 287 00:15:16,601 --> 00:15:18,601 Speaker 2: now with a couple of kids and you know, have 288 00:15:19,081 --> 00:15:21,921 Speaker 2: a you know, a. 289 00:15:21,641 --> 00:15:23,081 Speaker 4: Prestigious job or whatever. 290 00:15:23,241 --> 00:15:26,281 Speaker 2: Like I don't hold any of that against him, Like 291 00:15:26,361 --> 00:15:28,881 Speaker 2: I don't have any It was just what it was. 292 00:15:29,161 --> 00:15:32,201 Speaker 2: You know, we all always you know, we always decided, hey, 293 00:15:32,241 --> 00:15:35,081 Speaker 2: look this is going to go for as long as 294 00:15:35,081 --> 00:15:38,921 Speaker 2: it goes. And then ultimately I'm the one who's going 295 00:15:38,961 --> 00:15:40,961 Speaker 2: to you know, because my name on the card so 296 00:15:41,041 --> 00:15:43,481 Speaker 2: I'm going to get shit canned. Let's just have fun 297 00:15:43,521 --> 00:15:44,361 Speaker 2: before that happens. 298 00:15:44,761 --> 00:15:47,681 Speaker 1: What about the rest of the crew, the solid crew 299 00:15:47,721 --> 00:15:48,321 Speaker 1: that we're around. 300 00:15:48,441 --> 00:15:51,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only only sort of two guys that really 301 00:15:51,841 --> 00:15:55,961 Speaker 2: really stuck by during that time. It's funny like when 302 00:15:57,121 --> 00:16:01,361 Speaker 2: police and courts and stuff get evolved. Yeah, people sort 303 00:16:01,361 --> 00:16:03,721 Speaker 2: of run a mile a little bit. 304 00:16:04,121 --> 00:16:07,961 Speaker 1: But like, and are they thinking that you're possibly gonna 305 00:16:08,321 --> 00:16:09,921 Speaker 1: implicate them in something? 306 00:16:10,041 --> 00:16:10,521 Speaker 4: Possibly? 307 00:16:10,601 --> 00:16:12,761 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Like I think I think it's 308 00:16:12,881 --> 00:16:15,121 Speaker 2: you know, it just comes from watching too many movies probably, 309 00:16:15,481 --> 00:16:18,841 Speaker 2: you know, like the coffs in coffsing out a clue 310 00:16:18,881 --> 00:16:20,681 Speaker 2: what happened, they weren't interested either. 311 00:16:20,721 --> 00:16:22,481 Speaker 4: They didn't give a shit. Yeah. 312 00:16:22,561 --> 00:16:26,241 Speaker 1: One of those blokes that stuck around was Evano, Dan's 313 00:16:26,241 --> 00:16:27,481 Speaker 1: good mate from Wangaratta. 314 00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:31,641 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a bit of anxiety on my front. 315 00:16:31,681 --> 00:16:34,601 Speaker 5: I did at one point think maybe I might get 316 00:16:34,601 --> 00:16:38,641 Speaker 5: in trouble for this, just because maybe I was associated 317 00:16:38,641 --> 00:16:39,001 Speaker 5: with Dan. 318 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:42,561 Speaker 1: But yeah, are you nervous about this podcast because of that? 319 00:16:42,761 --> 00:16:43,401 Speaker 1: Or No? 320 00:16:43,521 --> 00:16:47,201 Speaker 5: To be honest enough times past yep. But if you 321 00:16:47,321 --> 00:16:51,041 Speaker 5: had approached me five years ago, I probably would have 322 00:16:51,041 --> 00:16:53,321 Speaker 5: said no. I felt a lot of concern for Dan like, 323 00:16:53,921 --> 00:16:56,401 Speaker 5: I'm one of the people who was always there for him. 324 00:16:56,441 --> 00:16:59,241 Speaker 5: A lot of his mates jumped ship, and when he 325 00:16:59,321 --> 00:17:01,601 Speaker 5: went to prison, a lot of his mates didn't want 326 00:17:01,641 --> 00:17:04,321 Speaker 5: anything to do with him. I don't feel like I 327 00:17:04,361 --> 00:17:05,481 Speaker 5: was one of those people. 328 00:17:05,961 --> 00:17:09,521 Speaker 1: Did you see him on a current affair? Yes? Did 329 00:17:09,521 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: he tell you that it was going to be on 330 00:17:11,041 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: or No? He didn't. 331 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,321 Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me. 332 00:17:14,441 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: He just just did it. 333 00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:21,041 Speaker 5: And it was pretty crazy just the way he went 334 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 5: about it. It's yeah, dandy, unique fella like, I've got 335 00:17:25,201 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: so much respect for him, but I wouldn't have turned 336 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:28,281 Speaker 5: myself in. 337 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,041 Speaker 1: Do you think he would have got away with it 338 00:17:31,041 --> 00:17:34,961 Speaker 1: if he hadn't have gone to the newspapers and the TV? Definitely? 339 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. Yeah. But at the same time, I 340 00:17:39,961 --> 00:17:43,481 Speaker 5: do think he needed some kind of closure. So I 341 00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: think it's been the best for him, the best thing 342 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,761 Speaker 5: for him long term. But he wouldn't have gone to 343 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 5: jail if he didn't turn himself in. That's my honest opinion. 344 00:17:54,801 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: Did the bank question you so you're on bail or 345 00:17:57,441 --> 00:18:00,321 Speaker 1: remand does the bank question you in that period? 346 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 4: No, No, the bank crickets. 347 00:18:03,241 --> 00:18:04,201 Speaker 1: Nothing from the bank. 348 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:10,001 Speaker 2: The bank issued a statement and gave evidence to court, 349 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: but that was just the statements. 350 00:18:13,001 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: So issued your statements essentially your banking statements which we've seen, and. 351 00:18:18,041 --> 00:18:20,921 Speaker 4: Just said this money was obtained by deception. 352 00:18:21,561 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: That's it. 353 00:18:22,241 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: That's all I had to. 354 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: Get admitted that that's what you've done. 355 00:18:24,441 --> 00:18:30,561 Speaker 2: So nothing about how, nothing about their system, nothing about that. 356 00:18:30,761 --> 00:18:34,681 Speaker 4: Just just bad Dan. Dan's got to go to jail. 357 00:18:34,921 --> 00:18:35,361 Speaker 4: That's it. 358 00:18:35,561 --> 00:18:39,241 Speaker 2: Like even Mike QC I just told him to be quiet. 359 00:18:39,321 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: I just think I just don't even talk, like you 360 00:18:41,281 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: don't even know what's going on anyway, you know, like 361 00:18:43,801 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 2: just forget it. 362 00:18:44,721 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: How you pay for the QC? Yeah, bank, that's money. Yeah. 363 00:18:48,801 --> 00:18:51,201 Speaker 4: I don't have any remorse for the bank. The bank 364 00:18:51,281 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 4: is the bank. They're like, if you could touch the sites, 365 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:54,961 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 366 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,481 Speaker 2: I think they're fine, they'll be okay. 367 00:19:00,521 --> 00:19:03,721 Speaker 1: Dan requested court documents, which is given to us. The 368 00:19:03,721 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: Crown Prosecutor had three charges against Dan, one for theft 369 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:14,281 Speaker 1: and two charges for obtaining financial advantage by deception. Charge 370 00:19:14,281 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: one says he stole the amount of eighty thousand, two 371 00:19:17,961 --> 00:19:22,001 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars from the National Australia Bank. Charge 372 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,801 Speaker 1: two says that he owed payment of debts using a 373 00:19:25,921 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: National Australian Bank MasterCard to make each payment for the 374 00:19:30,241 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: amount of one hundred and forty six thousand, eight hundred 375 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,241 Speaker 1: dollars and twenty cents, and the final charge was more 376 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: payments that Dan had made to providers of merchants to 377 00:19:42,921 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: the amount of twenty one thousand, five hundred and seventy 378 00:19:45,961 --> 00:19:50,241 Speaker 1: four dollars and ninety two cents. Along with these charges, 379 00:19:50,241 --> 00:19:52,961 Speaker 1: there was a list of transaction details for each amount 380 00:19:53,521 --> 00:19:57,241 Speaker 1: and the date it was spent. Here's a transcript read 381 00:19:57,241 --> 00:20:00,721 Speaker 1: by a friend of the sentencing remarks from the court. 382 00:20:01,321 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 6: Daniel Saunders, you have pleaded guilty to one charge of 383 00:20:04,721 --> 00:20:09,521 Speaker 6: theft and two charges of obtaining a financial advantage by deception. 384 00:20:10,281 --> 00:20:14,641 Speaker 6: The maximum penalty for each offense is ten years imprisonment. 385 00:20:15,521 --> 00:20:19,521 Speaker 6: On the twenty first of February twenty eleven, you discovered that, 386 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,321 Speaker 6: despite your account having a zero balance, you were able 387 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 6: to use your Visa debit card to withdraw money, apparently 388 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,361 Speaker 6: as a result of an error in the magnetic coding 389 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 6: attached to that card. On the day you discovered this, 390 00:20:33,801 --> 00:20:37,801 Speaker 6: anomally you made five withdrawals and in the period up 391 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,241 Speaker 6: to the eighth of May of that year, you made 392 00:20:40,241 --> 00:20:44,521 Speaker 6: a further sixty nine withdrawls. The total amount you gained 393 00:20:44,681 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 6: was eighty eight hundred and twenty dollars. This conduct forms 394 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,681 Speaker 6: the basis of charge one. 395 00:20:51,241 --> 00:20:53,041 Speaker 2: You know, there was points where I had five million 396 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: dollars in my bank account. They weren't missing that money. 397 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,521 Speaker 2: So what was the money real or just numbers on 398 00:21:00,561 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: a screen. 399 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,081 Speaker 4: It's all valid. 400 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,761 Speaker 2: Questions I think, I mean, how can you miss that 401 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: much money or not miss that much money? 402 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 6: As regards Charge two, on the thirteenth of March twenty eleven, 403 00:21:14,961 --> 00:21:18,441 Speaker 6: you used your MasterCard to make a withdrawal in excess 404 00:21:18,481 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 6: of the limit, and then in the period up to 405 00:21:21,201 --> 00:21:25,201 Speaker 6: the twenty eighth of April, you made further payments. In all, 406 00:21:25,281 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 6: there are one hundred and two transactions totaling eighty six 407 00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:34,561 Speaker 6: eight hundred dollars and twenty cents. In addition, you transferred 408 00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 6: a total of sixty thousand dollars to your classic banking account. 409 00:21:39,241 --> 00:21:43,201 Speaker 6: The totality of this conduct forms the basis of charge two. 410 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,521 Speaker 2: I was looking at like, well, if you get five years, 411 00:21:50,001 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: that's about three hundred grand a year, So that's better 412 00:21:54,681 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: than any job you get. Well, you know, not that 413 00:21:59,041 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: I want a job like that. But you know what 414 00:22:01,441 --> 00:22:05,041 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Yeah, that's a good pay. 415 00:22:05,921 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 6: Charge three relates to a further twenty four payments for 416 00:22:09,961 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 6: goods and services totaling twenty one thousand, five hundred and 417 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 6: seventy four dollars and two cents, which occurred between the 418 00:22:18,001 --> 00:22:23,201 Speaker 6: fifth and tenth of May of twenty eleven. Following your offending, 419 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,561 Speaker 6: you closed your account, as is confirmed in correspondent State 420 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,801 Speaker 6: of the tenth of May twenty eleven. I have been 421 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,521 Speaker 6: told that this was in the context of you seeking 422 00:22:33,521 --> 00:22:35,521 Speaker 6: to bring your own offending to an end. 423 00:22:36,441 --> 00:22:38,961 Speaker 1: Before we go live with every episode, we actually send 424 00:22:38,961 --> 00:22:41,201 Speaker 1: it to Dan just to make sure we've got all 425 00:22:41,241 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: the detail right. When Dan heard this part of the transcript, 426 00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: he sent me a text to let me know a 427 00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:47,841 Speaker 1: few things that he didn't agree with. 428 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 7: I didn't close my account. 429 00:22:50,561 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: The bank made it look. 430 00:22:52,561 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: Like I closed my account, but I didn't really even 431 00:22:56,921 --> 00:22:58,521 Speaker 2: touch them. 432 00:22:58,001 --> 00:23:00,521 Speaker 1: And he had some things that he wanted to clear up. 433 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,521 Speaker 1: Like you'll hear our voice actor, he's quite together. She 434 00:23:04,561 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: doesn't start or miss any words. Dan said. It wasn't 435 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: like that in court. 436 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,841 Speaker 7: The courtroom was something out of Monty Python. 437 00:23:12,961 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: It was like everyone, my lawyer included, just didn't know 438 00:23:17,521 --> 00:23:21,001 Speaker 2: what happened. So there was lots of like pauses and 439 00:23:21,201 --> 00:23:22,281 Speaker 2: trailing off. 440 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,241 Speaker 7: And it was it was I just wanted to stand 441 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,001 Speaker 7: up and go no, no, no, that's not what happened, 442 00:23:28,001 --> 00:23:30,041 Speaker 7: but you know, they would have just told me to 443 00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 7: sit down, so I just let it all happen in 444 00:23:32,681 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 7: front of me. 445 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 6: Really, you had made no attempts to cover your offending 446 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 6: or what you were doing with the proceeds. It was 447 00:23:41,281 --> 00:23:45,641 Speaker 6: brazen conduct over one hundred and ninety five separate transactions 448 00:23:46,041 --> 00:23:48,801 Speaker 6: by a man who was clearly out of control. 449 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: There's stacks in this court document which sort of backs 450 00:23:52,241 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: up what Dan's been telling us through the last six episodes. 451 00:23:56,521 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: Here's a little more from the magistrate. 452 00:23:59,281 --> 00:24:02,641 Speaker 6: During the period of your offending, there was contact from 453 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 6: the bank in relation to particular trans actions to ensure 454 00:24:06,681 --> 00:24:09,761 Speaker 6: it was you, but never any action to cancel the 455 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 6: card despite what must have been seen as gross misuse. 456 00:24:15,681 --> 00:24:19,561 Speaker 6: Following the closure of your account, the bank apparently determined 457 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,121 Speaker 6: to take no action despite being aware of the extent 458 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 6: of your overdraw. They apparently refused to discuss the matter 459 00:24:27,561 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 6: with you, saying it was a police matter. But it 460 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:34,041 Speaker 6: seems that the matter was neither reported by them nor 461 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,081 Speaker 6: investigated at the time. 462 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,801 Speaker 1: And so what did the magistrate think of Dan's clever 463 00:24:39,921 --> 00:24:44,801 Speaker 1: plan to instead of going to police, going to the media. 464 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,001 Speaker 6: For reasons which are far from clear. In February of 465 00:24:49,041 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 6: twenty thirteen, you participated in a newspaper interview in which 466 00:24:53,681 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 6: you disclosed your offending, and on about the ninth of 467 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,561 Speaker 6: August the following year, a more detailed piece was published. 468 00:25:01,921 --> 00:25:06,521 Speaker 6: These articles are Exhibit A and B. Following that, you 469 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 6: participated in a current affair interview about your offending and 470 00:25:11,521 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 6: the lifestyle it enabled. The recording is Exhibit D. But 471 00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:20,001 Speaker 6: as discussed with counsel upon your plea, I have had 472 00:25:20,041 --> 00:25:22,761 Speaker 6: regard to that only as it relates to the fact 473 00:25:22,801 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 6: that you made admissions in relation to both taking the 474 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,881 Speaker 6: money and as to how it was spent. Your counsel 475 00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 6: has quite rightly not pressed remorse from an early stage 476 00:25:34,001 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 6: given the contents of this interview, the opinions and storylines 477 00:25:38,721 --> 00:25:42,281 Speaker 6: are of course not relevant. Again, it is unclear why 478 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,281 Speaker 6: you would have taken this course of action. I accept 479 00:25:46,281 --> 00:25:48,681 Speaker 6: that the delay in charging you was in the main 480 00:25:49,001 --> 00:25:53,281 Speaker 6: not attributable to you, but resulted from clear apathy on 481 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 6: the part of the victim bank. This does not in 482 00:25:56,241 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 6: any way excuse your offending, and I think it is 483 00:25:59,321 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 6: difficult to say, however, that there was a burden hanging 484 00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 6: over your head. Given the contents of the twenty fourteen interview. 485 00:26:08,201 --> 00:26:11,761 Speaker 6: You are entitled to have taken into account your plea 486 00:26:11,801 --> 00:26:15,561 Speaker 6: of guilty, which you entered at an early stage. You 487 00:26:15,721 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 6: spared the witnesses from giving evidence and save the community 488 00:26:19,721 --> 00:26:21,281 Speaker 6: the time and expense. 489 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,521 Speaker 1: Of a trial. 490 00:26:22,041 --> 00:26:24,801 Speaker 6: You are entitled to have that taken into account in 491 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,441 Speaker 6: your favor, and I have done so. I do accept 492 00:26:28,481 --> 00:26:32,761 Speaker 6: that your plea is also demonstrative of some contrition. I 493 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,001 Speaker 6: accept that your plea should be used as some evidence 494 00:26:36,041 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 6: of remorse. Would you stand please on charge to obtain 495 00:26:44,241 --> 00:26:49,041 Speaker 6: financial advantage by deception. You are convicted and sentenced to 496 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 6: be imprisoned for twelve months commencing this day. On the 497 00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 6: remaining charges, you are placed on a community corrections order. 498 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 6: The order commences at the end of the sentence of imprisonment. 499 00:27:02,281 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 6: You are to report to the Werribee Community Correction Center 500 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 6: within two clear working days of release. The period of 501 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,121 Speaker 6: the order is eighteen months. 502 00:27:13,001 --> 00:27:17,001 Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember in her closing remarks, she said 503 00:27:17,041 --> 00:27:21,561 Speaker 2: things like she called the bank the victim, and a 504 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,841 Speaker 2: couple of people laughed. 505 00:27:23,001 --> 00:27:26,481 Speaker 4: I remember at that point and she. 506 00:27:26,561 --> 00:27:31,561 Speaker 2: Just basically said, you know you're you were calculating and 507 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,281 Speaker 2: what you did. 508 00:27:32,521 --> 00:27:34,841 Speaker 4: You knew what you were doing was wrong, but. 509 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 2: You actually know you're going to get put away because 510 00:27:37,481 --> 00:27:41,401 Speaker 2: the security come and stand at the door. So before year, 511 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,961 Speaker 2: before she's even sort of finished, you know, the security 512 00:27:45,001 --> 00:27:47,521 Speaker 2: get told you're going to be in custody. So yeah, 513 00:27:47,801 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: you know, if you've got general awareness, you know pretty 514 00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: much how it's going to go. 515 00:27:52,241 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 6: I direct it be noted in the records of the 516 00:27:54,681 --> 00:27:57,561 Speaker 6: court that, were it not for your plea of guilty, 517 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,001 Speaker 6: I would have sentenced due to a total effective sentence 518 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 6: of three years with a minimum of two. I further 519 00:28:06,921 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 6: order that you pay compensation the sum of two hundred 520 00:28:10,441 --> 00:28:13,761 Speaker 6: and forty eight thousand, five hundred and ninety five dollars 521 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,281 Speaker 6: and twelve cents to the National Australia Bank. 522 00:28:17,681 --> 00:28:22,321 Speaker 2: I remember the last thing she said was take missus 523 00:28:22,321 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: Saunders downstairs, thank. 524 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,641 Speaker 6: You very much. Could you take mister Saunders downstairs please? 525 00:28:31,041 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 4: And I was in jail. 526 00:28:33,001 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: Are you bricking it? At that stage? 527 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: Not bricking it, but like Bracy just going Okay, it's time, 528 00:28:41,881 --> 00:28:42,601 Speaker 2: it's happening. 529 00:28:43,121 --> 00:28:43,521 Speaker 1: We're in. 530 00:28:44,281 --> 00:28:48,041 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go. 531 00:28:48,761 --> 00:28:52,481 Speaker 1: Next time on the glitch. But it's weird. 532 00:28:52,641 --> 00:28:54,841 Speaker 2: It's weird going to jail when you when you sort 533 00:28:54,841 --> 00:28:55,961 Speaker 2: of pour it upon yourself. 534 00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:57,721 Speaker 4: Really, it's pretty hate deep place. 535 00:28:57,881 --> 00:29:01,401 Speaker 2: Max Max the curios and he grabbed the still guy 536 00:29:01,761 --> 00:29:04,921 Speaker 2: and he just held him against the wall. He's like, 537 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:07,121 Speaker 2: because you have any fucking bacon. 538 00:29:07,561 --> 00:29:10,161 Speaker 4: He's like, no, no, I didn't swear, I sweat. 539 00:29:10,481 --> 00:29:15,681 Speaker 2: Two guys held another guy down while a third guy 540 00:29:16,561 --> 00:29:18,641 Speaker 2: put a duney brush up his eyes. 541 00:29:19,241 --> 00:29:22,881 Speaker 4: Okay, that's what we're in. We're in a fucking We're 542 00:29:22,921 --> 00:29:23,641 Speaker 4: in a madhouse. 543 00:29:23,921 --> 00:29:24,641 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 544 00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:26,921 Speaker 2: So you just gotta sort of have your wits about 545 00:29:26,921 --> 00:29:30,121 Speaker 2: it because people automatically thought I was like a wife basher, 546 00:29:30,561 --> 00:29:35,001 Speaker 2: or I was like drink driving or something. There's something 547 00:29:35,041 --> 00:29:39,321 Speaker 2: called called browning up, and what they do is they 548 00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:43,161 Speaker 2: they ship like an inmate or shit on their hand 549 00:29:43,761 --> 00:29:45,401 Speaker 2: and then wipe it all over the cell.