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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to the show. This is

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Speaker 1: Better than Yesterday. Useful tools and useful conversations to help

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Speaker 1: make your day today better than yesterday. Every week since

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. My name Georgia Ginzburg. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being here.

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Speaker 2: If you've never listened to the show before, get a

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Speaker 2: I'm who am I? I'm a podcaster, I'm an author,

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Speaker 2: I'm a recovering television host, and I'm grateful you're here.

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Speaker 2: You're probably listening to this.

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Speaker 3: On your phone, and I.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to tell you what happened when I kind of

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Speaker 1: accidentally went on summer holiday without most of my phone

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Speaker 1: and how it has changed a lot for me over

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Speaker 1: the last month.

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Speaker 3: Don't fret.

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Speaker 1: Diesel is on the show today, Mark Lazott my guest,

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Speaker 1: and it's a fantastic conversation. It's a cracking chat with

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Speaker 1: some incredible eyewitness accounts of the heaving, sweaty mess that

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Speaker 1: was the Australian pub rock scene of the eighties. So

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Speaker 1: if you want to skip straight to that chat, go

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Speaker 1: right ahead.

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Speaker 3: I won't be upset.

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Speaker 1: But I did want to tell you something about my phone.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not just that this is my thirteenth year

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Speaker 1: making this show, and over that time I have quite

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Speaker 1: openly spoken about addiction.

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Speaker 3: I was three years sober when I started this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm nearly sixteen now, christ But because what do you know, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm an addict nearly sixteen years off booze and drugs.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that I haven't had my moments

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Speaker 1: with other things, things like shopping, things like gambling.

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Speaker 3: Those apps, my god.

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Speaker 1: I knew that it was time for me to permanently

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Speaker 1: delete them all off my phone. When I was doing

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Speaker 1: breakfast radio down the line from Brisbane to Brisbane one

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Speaker 1: day from my apartment in Sydney, and Maddie says like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, We've got five minutes on this song, and

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Speaker 1: said great, And I ran to the toilet in the

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Speaker 1: so to bust your bubble here. But in breakfast radio,

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Speaker 1: those people are really good at two things, making great

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Speaker 1: breakfast radio and pooping very quickly. And sort of sitting

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Speaker 1: there and I find myself putting multis on some Singaporean

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Speaker 1: horse race. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

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Speaker 1: It's six twenty five in the morning, what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I had to delete that thing. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I have a persistent problem with

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Speaker 1: and have had a persistent problem with it, I'm not

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Speaker 1: alone in this is scrolling scrolling on my phone. I'd

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Speaker 1: say Instagram because it's mostly Instagram, but it can be YouTube,

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Speaker 1: it can be Reddit, it can be anything which is

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Speaker 1: deliberately designed by the people that built it to maximize

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Speaker 1: the time I spend on it, to override my ability

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Speaker 1: to want to not use it. You might be familiar

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Speaker 1: with getting sucked into your phone or what happens when

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Speaker 1: people get sucked in their phone, especially when kids are around,

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Speaker 1: because and it breaks my heart and I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: will hurt when I tell you this, but you miss

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Speaker 1: because your phone will buzz or peeing and your attention

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Speaker 1: and your attention is taken. It as now really urgently

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Speaker 1: concerned that you're going to miss the Thursday morning special

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Speaker 1: on mattresses because you haven't ordered yet. You've only got

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Speaker 1: to eleven am to get twenty pisent enough even though

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Speaker 1: mattress is just fine.

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Speaker 3: But no, I've got a I might miss these? What

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Speaker 1: Like you're out of the moment You've signaled to your child,

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Speaker 3: My phone is more important than you.

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Speaker 1: It is not good, and I'm guilty as anyone, even

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Speaker 1: though I've turned everything off. Every beat, buzz, ping, or

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Speaker 3: But that is it. But that's just the noises.

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Speaker 1: There's also the light that comes out of the screen.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what they're looking at, as that blue light

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Speaker 1: now but cool. It's a hit for those guys. It's

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Speaker 1: not good. Finds have great utility, Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's like saying, look, I just have one beer, no

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Speaker 1: and bad choices are being made. I've got a whole

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Speaker 1: There was a time, Oh, I got Audrey, my wife.

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Speaker 1: I gave Audrey my phone and said put the phone

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Speaker 1: even though I was paying like you know, subscription apps

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Speaker 1: my fridge. It's called a brick and I swipe it

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Speaker 1: like when I pay for groceries. It just locks everything.

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Speaker 1: I've got it set up so it turns my phone

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Speaker 1: into an iPod I can communicate with I swipe it.

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Speaker 1: So when we headed to the Sunshine Coast before Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Some of the charging stations. Matt, we were sucking ninety kilo.

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Speaker 3: The battery's ninety three kilos or so.

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Speaker 1: So you pull up, you're plug it in. You walk

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Speaker 1: hate to say it, but it is true. Now I'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about this in another episode. But my in

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Speaker 1: the mornings, I'm on the kayak, I'm on the stand up.

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Speaker 3: I'm just doing it to do it. It was wonderful.

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Speaker 1: And after three weeks away, I drove one hundred kilometers

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Speaker 1: back to my fridge by myself. This time I'm ordering

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Speaker 1: it with fol Fee. The music in the car was

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get where you get to choose your

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Speaker 3: They get older. It's really really good. The full episode

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Speaker 1: We have a YouTube page, which we're very excited about

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Speaker 4: eight point thirty the greatest.

439
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 5: Oh that's great.

440
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do miss it.

441
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 1: When you were talking about coffee before, I thought for

442
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 1: a second, what if that Guns n' Roses song wasn't

443
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: about heroin and actually was about coffee. Mister Brownstone might

444
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 1: have been coffee because I he used to do a little,

445
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,680
Speaker 1: but the little a little got more.

446
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 4: You've seen kicking in screaming, right, no, Will Farrell, It's

447
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 4: it's kicking and screaming. It's really hilarious because his dad

448
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 4: is like a real serious soccer for pro. I guess

449
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 4: he winded in but then he ends up not being

450
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 4: so great at sport and he coaches his son's team,

451
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 4: and his dad is just like this real asshole, kind

452
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 4: of like you never you know, just puts shit on

453
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:28,120
Speaker 4: him constantly.

454
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 5: He's a grown man with a son. He's got this

455
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 5: losing It's like bad news.

456
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 4: Bear it's kind of like, yeah, the worst soccer team

457
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 4: and he doesn't drink coffee and someone mentions something to

458
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 4: him or or he just tweaks and goes, I'm going

459
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 4: to try a coffee, and then he turns into this

460
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 4: like awesome coach and then he's just going back to

461
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 4: the coffee place and he gets to the point where

462
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 4: the coffee dispensary just goes, sorry, so we can't serve you.

463
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 4: It's just so yeah, and he starts laying into like

464
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 4: customers and the.

465
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 5: Like what's wrong with that?

466
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 4: You know, he's not wrong, yeah, just going and it's

467
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 4: just that My kids like made the joke about me.

468
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 4: That's that's me. They're like, Dad, that's you. Yeah. Yeah.

469
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 4: One day I was like in the studio and it

470
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 4: was like four thirty. I said to my son, like

471
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 4: doing a coffee. He's like, Dad, it's four thirty like

472
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 4: and I'm like and I answered like yeah.

473
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 5: And so you know I got all like offended, like

474
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 5: what's wrong with that?

475
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: That because you become like, yeah, oh man, when I

476
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: first stopped, when I first gopped drinking, the guy that

477
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: helps me along the way, and I was like, man,

478
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm just drinking a lot of coffee late and he goes,

479
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: it's okay, one thing at a time, man, we'll get

480
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: to the cafel.

481
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 4: Well, they give you cigarettes and rehab in the US anyway,

482
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 4: like that big one out in the desert.

483
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: Where there, you know, but that's the one that that's

484
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: the one that works. That's why those guys are still alive. Rattlesnakes.

485
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 4: You're like, it's like if you think about leaving, it's like,

486
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: go ahead, there's just desert.

487
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: Rattle snakes and coyotes and you're exactly, yeah, one hundred

488
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: and two degrees. There's one place Australia that uses that model.

489
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: We could do plenty of those. Unfortunately, unfortunately, because we

490
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 4: didn't even have to go that far. I could just

491
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 4: go to the western planes out in the Dubbo like

492
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: the Western Plains. Zoo is just too well there.

493
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be a right, But I think it's more

494
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: also the model of it, the way they do it

495
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: rehab is a it's a tricky thing because anyone would

496
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: pay any money to save their child, and unfortunately it's unregulated.

497
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 4: His try. It's it's a bit like people that you know,

498
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 4: charge for fortune to make tracks for people you know like, yeah, sure,

499
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 4: come in, would calld a song for you, you know,

500
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 4: charge them with some ridiculous plus because it's like this,

501
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 4: it's all kind of like mystic mystic and smoke and mirrors.

502
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 4: People don't really know. So it's like, well, yeah, two

503
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 4: hundred thousand and you'll be you'll be clean, and so

504
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: it's sober and people will pay anything. Like you said, Yeah,

505
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 4: it's a big industry.

506
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: I've sat next to people like nineteen. It was a

507
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: fun I'd never forget it's nineteen and his parents blew

508
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: something like one hundred and fifty k on a giant

509
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: in Thailand.

510
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 5: It was their super you know, one hundred and fifty k.

511
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot of money.

512
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 4: Tie.

513
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thai Barto dude. And he was back in the

514
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: rooms because he wasn't clean. He had gone out again,

515
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking.

516
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 5: Terrible place to leave rehab.

517
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think he went out, he came

518
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: back here and then of course nothing changes.

519
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: He's back around everyone.

520
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: Everything the same routine, the same people, the same you know, instigations,

521
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: the same catalysts.

522
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 6: And that's why them you know, some models.

523
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: Of rehab really really don't.

524
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Work, and it's it sucks how unregulated it is and

525
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: that the Health Department isn't more on top of it.

526
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: But you know, one thing at a time. We have

527
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: an imperfect healthcare system, but it's far fucking better living

528
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: in the States.

529
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 4: Man. At least you can you can, you know, fill

530
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: out pretty I mean, you just answer some questions and

531
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: stuff and you can get a set of therapy, a

532
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 4: course of the therapy sessions for I mean, you stop

533
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 4: to pay something. But medie, oh my god, the mental

534
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: health play in Australia.

535
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 5: You have nothing in America.

536
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 4: Get it like nothing. You just pay. You have to

537
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 4: just pay. You have health care. And I don't even

538
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 4: know how much healthcare like. I know that we had

539
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: like a pretty top tier healthcare in New York and

540
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 4: it didn't even cover dental, so I doubt it would

541
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: cover mental health. Yeah, I am health.

542
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: When you came in here, I had to ask you

543
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: if we've met, and you said yeah, a couple of times.

544
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: Oh that's good, I remember.

545
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

546
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Well, also it's quite significant as to how little I

547
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: remember being no. You mentioned a poker game that used

548
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: to happen at Jane and Jimmy's place, which was amazing,

549
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: and I remember being over by the I never forget,

550
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, have these moments when you're drinking. Some of

551
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: them like years ago by, literally years go by, I

552
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: can't recall, and then I have these moments I'll never forget.

553
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: I was walking with a six pack. All right, it's

554
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: a Jimmy fucking Barnes's house. It was very clean at

555
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: the time.

556
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 5: Well, that's a nice gesture to always bring something.

557
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: Na it was for me.

558
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: I would bringing any of the guests because I was,

559
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, a selfish addict. And I said, where's your fridge, mate?

560
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, and he guys, you made some room

561
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: in the fridge.

562
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: You know, there's seventeen people living there.

563
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: Ships and I put it in there and I said, yeah,

564
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm really thinking about what you were doing. Goes, Oh,

565
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: it's amazing the clarity. I was like, okay, great, roll

566
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: roll rock. Where's the table and that's why I don't

567
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: remember meeting you. Well, yeah, which sucks.

568
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 5: But I wasn't at the table, So that makes you

569
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 5: feel any better.

570
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm terribly a real deficit when it comes

571
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: to focusing on any game at all. So fair.

572
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: But I did really like the exposure to what they

573
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: have built there, and it's something you've been a part

574
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: of for many years now, but a multi generational compound

575
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: of everyone living together, which would get on your tits

576
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: in some ways but also be incredible foundation.

577
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 4: Surprisingly not a lot. I mean, I came from a

578
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: large family, so yeah, so I know what it's like

579
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: to be kind of in a house, very small house

580
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: that we were. We never had big house has actually

581
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: been no matter what it was, it was always you know,

582
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: less bedrooms than what we needed, but we would just

583
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 4: double up and triple up and whatever, and you know,

584
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: always just the one bathroom. But yeah, it's it's you know,

585
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: not that strange to me to kind of that family feeling.

586
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 4: And you know, going to Thailand very early on when

587
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: I met it was kind of seeing how they have

588
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: her relatives over there do these sort of compounds. It's

589
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: a very European kind of thing. I think it's pretty

590
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: much everywhere in the world except for like Anglo countries,

591
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 4: where this sort of idea of like success or some

592
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 4: comes hand in hand with like separation from the rest

593
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: of your clan. Yeah, it's just like, well, we're a success,

594
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: we gonna have our own house over there, and you

595
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 4: know relatives are over there, and funny enough, we don't

596
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: see them much.

597
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 5: You know, they're only like a couple of k's away.

598
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 4: It's terrible, you know, Like I mean, I was thinking

599
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: as I headed over here, I'm heading along Queen's Park

600
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: there one of my child school school buddies lived to like,

601
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: you know, three hundred meters from when I was living

602
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: over there, and just because it was so busy, you know,

603
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: at that point. You know, I remember thinking at the time, damn,

604
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 4: I should you know, it should be seeing more him.

605
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: But it just didn't happen because you just don't. You

606
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: can be just that much away, let alone two hundred

607
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 4: ks or twelve thousand k's and you just don't get

608
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: in each other's lives. So being in that compound, you

609
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: can't help it. You know. My sister in law and

610
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: brother in law in New York, we had we ended

611
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: up in the one building on Broadway and they were

612
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: on Mercer Street, and it was just by your happenstance

613
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: because we'd lived on Spring stre before that. And then

614
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: she she told us, my sister in law, Kay, there's

615
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: one coming up, see if you can grab it, you know,

616
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: And it was a Korean artist that was moving out

617
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: and this is when he was still artist in residence.

618
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: Was the way you got in?

619
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: So yeah, all right, yeah, I create and obviously not

620
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: a visual artist but creator of music. So I had

621
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: to put my resume kind of like my body of

622
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: work into this board and whatever. Anyway, I've got in

623
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 4: and it's all gone now, that whole that whole system,

624
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 4: it's it's all like just.

625
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 5: Money, money, money.

626
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, we got in and there was a fire

627
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 4: door between two lofts, and you know for babysitting, it

628
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: was just perfect because we're like we're going out now,

629
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: leave the fire door to jar, you know, like kids

630
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: are snoozing, and we end up like years years of

631
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 4: like probably fifteen years later, end up again in warehouses

632
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: with a fire door between us. I mean, what are

633
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: the chances there's It's like this fire door thing just

634
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: keeps keeps happening. So what would you what would you

635
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 4: say to people about it? I love it?

636
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 5: I love that, you know. Also it's great when you

637
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 5: need two eggs, you.

638
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, can you get enough space when people are

639
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: given each other.

640
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: The oh totally. I mean we're so blessed. We've got

641
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: plenty of space. I mean, and you know where there

642
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: was one night where I was like looking at my

643
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: wife Jap and going, who are you because it was

644
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: like getting onto midnight. I think this was in lockdown.

645
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: We're all doing some crazy stuff, you know, to keep

646
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: ourselves occupied. And Scott, my brother and last, decided he

647
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: was going to start renovating a window at like a

648
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: quarter to midnight.

649
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: It was like bang bang bang.

650
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: Jip was just like going, I'm going to call the police,

651
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Jip, you can't do that. It's like

652
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 4: she was joking but kind of half serious, and it

653
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: was just like and then we call Kay and Kay's

654
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: got the headphones on.

655
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: We can I can actually see that. It was like

656
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 5: something out of SIMS.

657
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: You remember the scenes in the game and see everybody

658
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: from an aerial view, and I can see my sister

659
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: in law with headphones on facing the opposite way to Skoy,

660
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: who's like doing this, and she's watching fencing, a fencing

661
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: championship or something course in Europe, you know, because it's

662
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: like three in the morning. Yeah, well it's more it's

663
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: whatever it is because it was getting on at midnight

664
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: and she's like, oh, She's like I didn't know, it's

665
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: like she couldn't even hear that that was going hazy anyway,

666
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: it all stopped and everything. So there's a bit of that,

667
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 4: but you know, I mean that's the only I guess.

668
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: The thing is, you do here a bit of noise

669
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 4: here and there, but it normally wouldn't bug you so

670
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 4: much because I don't know, maybe because if it's strange,

671
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 4: you just kind of go, well, okay, you know, like

672
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: what are you going to do? You know, because you

673
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: know where it's coming from. It you think like I'm

674
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: going to call them and tell them to stop.

675
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: It's terrible.

676
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 5: You know, I should be the other.

677
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Way around, But unfortunately the horse has bolted on me

678
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: living with any of my brothers.

679
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: But it would be you know, Gee's.

680
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Living here because in her early twenties, if she wanted

681
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: to live outside of home and go to UNI and

682
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: to her job, she would need to live probably an

683
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: hour and a half from both UNI and her job

684
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: and her friends. Unfortunately, you know, the artist and resident

685
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: thing in New York is incredible because diversity isn't just

686
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: for In my opinion, socioeconomic diversity and diversity of ideas

687
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: is what is the most important to keep cohesion in

688
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: society because then you're always challenged, right, and yeah, to

689
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: have a diverse range of people of different social organomic

690
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: areas and classes and jobs in the same space is

691
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: what's important for your bankers.

692
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 6: In some ghost town, well it's terrible.

693
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: There's something that happens. It's the germination process. And someone

694
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: explained it to me. It's like with this just us

695
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: soho as an example, like the late sixties when the

696
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: Fluxus movement went in there and it was pretty much

697
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: derelict except for some sweatshop activity that was still happening,

698
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: and when we moved there where there was still some.

699
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 5: Below ground.

700
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, garments coming out of conveyor belts into trucks. That's

701
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: all way well gone now. But yeah, they're kind of

702
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: like the worms, the artists of the worms that come in.

703
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: And then this case, the council, I guess whatever you

704
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: call it, the municipal municipal council of that area just said,

705
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: come on in, artists, will give you some free electricity,

706
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: free rent, come in and make these derelict buildings something

707
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: I liverpoole because it's almost like they know that they're

708
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: like the worms that turn up.

709
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 5: The soil, and the soil becomes fertile. Then the plants go in.

710
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 5: Then you know, the forest grows.

711
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: Then then then the corporate world comes in and harvests.

712
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: And then the worms go on to another dun'ty.

713
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: Kind of further out of the area that is very

714
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: where the worms, you know, the created where the worms. Yeah,

715
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: we're the.

716
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: Ones that make the soil fertile.

717
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: You know, you've got a lot of fertile soil. The

718
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 4: plow man, you know, you're going on the road.

719
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean getting back to the village.

720
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: I more the older I get, the more I realized

721
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 4: that the village is really the it's it's the epicenter

722
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: of health, mental health, physical health, everything, but not not

723
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: not the New York village, the village mentality, the village

724
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: as a you know, it starts his family and then

725
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: outwards from there and people living in That's what I think.

726
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 4: The down you know, the fault of man humankind is

727
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: is that we were losing the village. We really are.

728
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: We feel that, as you mentioned, it was mostly in

729
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Anglo's places that once industrialization showed up. Before that, we

730
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: used to sleep six or eight to a room. That

731
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: was what buildings looked like you look at architecture. From

732
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: the time, that was the room where we slept. It

733
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: wasn't there was a bedroom. It was the room where

734
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: we slept, and we all slept together, and then we

735
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: started sleeping in different rooms, and slowly over time we've

736
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: been isolating.

737
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: Ourselves more and more.

738
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: And I get that because for at first it's like, oh, finally,

739
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: fucking silence, a bit of peace, bit of sh I

740
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: can just think about my shark fart, I can or whatever.

741
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: I can think terrible thoughts, and but then for too

742
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: long that doesn't know. We don't we work well that way.

743
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: We actually need each other. We need the presence of

744
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: another human for our brains to work properly. As seductive

745
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: as the isolation is, it's not actually great for us though.

746
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also really interesting in blue zones, like you

747
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: talk about, you know, kind of luxury and comfort and everything,

748
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: and I guess to most people, including myself, like you

749
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: think that those are the things that are going to

750
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: help you live a healthier life and everything. And I mean,

751
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 4: if I have a choice between a flatbed and sitting

752
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: in a chair for like seventeen hours, I know which

753
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: one I want. But it's in these blue zones that

754
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 4: we're seeing that people that are like living longer actually

755
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: have less comfort in the sense of like they're not

756
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: sleeping on pillow top mattresses, They're sleeping on really hard things.

757
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: And just keep they keep working, They keep toiling the

758
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: soil literally and metaphorically. Just yeah, they're not like getting

759
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: all like patted out in.

760
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Cotton wooled and just and there's purpose that's really, that's

761
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: the purpose in their days. And they have a sense

762
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: of meaning to people around them. They have a job

763
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: or something they do is for more than just them.

764
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the sad truth is like people retire and

765
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: they're just so clapped out from working their guts out

766
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: that they retire and just you know, the statistically it's

767
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: not doesn't look so good. I die within years.

768
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: At what point do you remember And I remember, It's

769
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: been a long time since I could, but I remember

770
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: there were moments when I was playing all the time,

771
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: all the time, all the time that what I wanted

772
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: to sound like just happened without me thinking about it.

773
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 6: It was about nineteen twenty because that was all I

774
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 6: was doing.

775
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it.

776
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: Now, do you remember a time in your life when

777
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: that kind of feeling of a master or that melding

778
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: of view and the instrument started to happen.

779
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: That's a hard one because I'm still trying to. I'm

780
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 5: still trying to.

781
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: But that's the thing, though, do your you never you

782
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: never stop pursuing it. It comes and goes in moments.

783
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I.

784
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: Think you know there was there was some times where

785
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: I've like looked back and gone, wow, I'm able to

786
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 4: do that now, you know, Like singing and playing for instance.

787
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: You know, that was something that I started just playing

788
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: and then I did a little bit singing and then

789
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: sort of like just come It's like the bike riding thing,

790
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: patting your head and running, but you know, you get

791
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: sort of more, it becomes more liquid. But I think

792
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: for me, the thing that really was like boot camp

793
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: and kind of just galvanized a lot of stuff is

794
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: when I started doing solo shows because I'd never had

795
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: to really really stand up on my own and it

796
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 4: was terrifying and exhilarating all at once. And I remember

797
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: kind of feeling like the sky and I still have

798
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: those moments of like the sky is going to come

799
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 4: down on me, you know, But I've gotten bolder and bolder,

800
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: and like, over the same course of time. I think

801
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 4: about things and I'm you know, it's like I can't

802
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 4: believe I'm soloing without even a rhythm guitar. It's all

803
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: about what's implied, and I feel like I'm taking liberties.

804
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: I definitely feel it's a little cheeky sometimes what I do,

805
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: but I just you know, it's like, man, this is

806
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: how I played when I was, you know, fourteen on

807
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 4: my bed. You know, i'd be here something I just play.

808
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 4: Why can't I do that in front of an audience.

809
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: You know.

810
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 5: It's like it's all in my head, so.

811
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 4: They will feel what's what all those other things that

812
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: are implied what I'm hearing. If I project it, it

813
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: doesn't matter, you know, I mean it. And you know,

814
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: the odd kind of encouraging word from a few people

815
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 4: has has helped too. I think someone when I started

816
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: doing solo show as a friend of mine, Michael Heggerty, said,

817
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 4: I just saw Jackson Brown doing a solo show and

818
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: he played a tar solo, just like just guitar solo,

819
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 4: you know, on his own, no accompaniment, and I was like, oh, wow,

820
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: you can do that. You know. I just thought, ping

821
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: no to self, try that.

822
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: There's there's something about that though that I recognized as

823
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a punter.

824
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 6: Have been a lot of gigs hearing aids may give

825
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 6: that away to you.

826
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: I didn't have quite the precision monitoring that you did,

827
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: or maybe less care. And there's something about if you're

828
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: by yourself on stage.

829
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm not just there for the song. I know from

830
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: the radio.

831
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 6: I know that I'm not going to hear the track

832
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 6: as it was. I'm not going to hear you play

833
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: it pitch all right, and that's.

834
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Fine, you get that out gigs, but yeah, I'm there

835
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: for like I saw Noel Gallagher play solo and he's like,

836
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: I won't make the band play wonder Walk because it's

837
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: not there. Yeah it's not it's not it's not there,

838
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to make them play it. And

839
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: he said straight up in the front of the end

840
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: where he goes, I'm want to sing it with a

841
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: different melody and fok. So if you want to sing

842
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: a long go for it. But it don't sound different

843
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: from me. And fine. And I love watching when I

844
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: watch a player like yourself up there. I like watching

845
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: them enjoy themselves. I like I want to see I

846
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: can't stand sneaker staring. Bands like show me the shapes,

847
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Give me all the shapes, give me the faces, give

848
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: me the off Like wow, when you really feel it,

849
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: because that's me going you're feeling it.

850
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 6: So if you're feeling it, I'm feeling exactly.

851
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: And when you hit that kind of three note band

852
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: on a your acoustic and he hit me break it, I'm.

853
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: Like, I'm there.

854
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: It's great. Yeah.

855
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: I think I think, you know, there's all these constructs.

856
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 4: You know, for some reason, I think we're all get

857
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 4: really tainted, and it's it's things that people say. It's terrible,

858
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: like you gotta be really careful. I mean, I'm very

859
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: sensitive person. I know I am. I try not to.

860
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: I try to be less and less, you know, like,

861
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: but I am. I just know by default that I'm

862
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: you know, I'm an mpath and I do like people

863
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 4: saying things. When I was younger, it probably would make

864
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: more of an impact on me. As the older you get,

865
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: the less fox you have.

866
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: But you know, I'm figuratively and literally exactly. But it's important.

867
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: Like I've worked with a lot of young artists and

868
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: like when we're songwriting in the room, and I know

869
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: that they haven't done many collab sessions. Yeah, it's really

870
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 4: important that I don't taint them with things like that,

871
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: you can't use that word, you can't use the same

872
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: word twice, and things like that.

873
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 5: It's like who said that?

874
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's like we just use that word

875
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 4: in that verse and you can't use it in the chorus,

876
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: Like like, oh well, let's just be aware of it

877
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: and maybe if there's something that's more interesting or feels

878
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: more powerful.

879
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: But like all these stupid lyric police, I call them,

880
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 5: you know, like you.

881
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 4: Tell those lyric police.

882
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: Sammy Hager had a number one single with Van Halen

883
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: with the line only time will tell if we'll stand

884
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: the test of time and the rest of them can

885
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: get fucked.

886
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 4: There you go, because that's it. There it is, it's

887
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: right there. I mean, there are so many things like that,

888
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: it's it's ridiculous. But I think somewhere in the eighties

889
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: and nineties there were a lot of I don't know,

890
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: maybe it was just a lot of cocaine and people

891
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: getting paranoid, but there was just I had a lot

892
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 4: of writing sessions where there was a lot of like

893
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: constructs dumped on me and they kind of made they

894
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: they scarred me a little bit, and I've had to

895
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: kind of like shed that. But I mean, I'm a

896
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 4: fan of ripping it to shreds and questioning everything that

897
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: by nature. I always like, just turn it upside down

898
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: on its head before it you let it, let it

899
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: kind of like sit and exist. My favorite thing is

900
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 4: just like take take the thing that's the most what

901
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: you think is the most poignant, the most important element

902
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 4: of that song, not lyrically maybe, but just like parts

903
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: wise or sound wise, and then just like mute it,

904
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: turn it off, and you know, in the process see

905
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 4: if like it might be better. Yeah, you know, you

906
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: never know. Sometimes you get so hung up on whatever

907
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 4: it was, and then when when in the process you've

908
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: realized it's like it's done its work. Now we can

909
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 4: actually get rid of it. It's it's like, doesn't it's

910
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: not serving and so never get too attached. It's it's

911
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: all of the art of detachment. It's it's fun. It's

912
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 4: a fun thing to do. It's just like you know,

913
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: like don't ever forget for instance that you know when

914
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: doves Cry has no bass, you.

915
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 5: Know, things like that. It's like, does this song really

916
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: need bass or whatever it is?

917
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: Sorry, you're a bass player. Bass, You're right, based on

918
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 4: all my records. But there's some songs it's like almost

919
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 4: like hurts me. It's just like, oh damn, this song

920
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: doesn't need bass. It's like, YELP, get over it, because

921
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: I know. I just love putting bass on songs. But

922
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: sometimes he says, sometimes it needs no guitar, you know,

923
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: whatever it is. You know those those kind of like

924
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: things that you just go through the motions.

925
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: That's that's important.

926
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Oh, I do enjoy getting nerdy talking about songwriting production

927
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: with someone like this.

928
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 3: My career took a very different path.

929
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I was on the way to being in bands and

930
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: being on stuff, so I never really bridged that gap.

931
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: But that's not to say I don't still get nerdy

932
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: about it. We're back more with Diesel. In just a moment,

933
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: I do have to play some mads. We're going to

934
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: talk more about a part of Australian culture which has

935
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: unfortunately been lost to time. The rourk is sweaty, heaving,

936
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: sometimes violent, but also awesome Australian pub rock scene. It's

937
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: a fantastic story that he tells about Selena is one

938
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: of the most legendary of all venues that exists here exist,

939
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: it still exists here in Australia. If you are keen

940
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: for a good story though, now's a great time to

941
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: tell you about story Club.

942
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: Our next show's on the fifteenth February.

943
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: There's more shows added all the time. We run the

944
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: whole year round, mostly at the Factory Theater in marionvill

945
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: but we're taking a few on the road this year.

946
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: The story Club YouTube page is pumping. There's also a

947
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: story Club podcast, True Stories less than fifteen hundred words

948
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: and it's hilarious. It'd be lovely, lovely to have you there.

949
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: And next gig features alex Lee Duncan Fellows, Ruby Teas,

950
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: Mike Bauers Talking Pictures Guy, the Sunday Morning ABC Guy. Yeah,

951
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: one of the most legendary photo journalists Australia's ever seen,

952
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Mike Bowers is going to come and tell the story.

953
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 3: Febry fifteenth, next show, So romantic is the theme because

954
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 3: it's a day after Valentine's dating the same.

955
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah right tickets through the show notes we're back with

956
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: Mark Lazet in the moment. Taking things away is an

957
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: important part of any creation, any creation, like I'm writing

958
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: another book at the moment.

959
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 6: There's no writing, there's just rewriting.

960
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: And I always I've got a let's say it's the

961
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: seventy thousand word. It's pretty short, which is nice, but

962
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: I will probably deliver one hundred and thirty thousand, Yeah,

963
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: all right, because I just got to get it all out.

964
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 5: And then it's like having thirty songs for a ten

965
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 5: song album precisely.

966
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: And you mentioned him before, so you know, and I

967
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: know people will understand because it's such a familiar song.

968
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: But when you listen to nineteen ninety ninety nine by Prince,

969
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: that's not the original vocal.

970
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 6: The original vocal a muted track.

971
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: You're listening to three backup singers singing a harmony, and

972
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: each line is just the next track, muted, next track,

973
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm muted. And he heard it went No, that's it,

974
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that's done to vocal.

975
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: That's just so funny.

976
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: It just gave me a chill because I heard that

977
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: yesterday or the day before, not yesterday, because I was

978
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: in Melbourne.

979
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 5: I heard that the day before yesterday.

980
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: Cranked it in the car, came on the radio and

981
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: I was like, oh God, thank God, a song I

982
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: can turn up in the radio on the radio and

983
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 4: it just like you know how like most things just

984
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: sound kind of crappy when they're down low, and then

985
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 4: you just turn it right the fuck up in the

986
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: car and it just everything in that song was just

987
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 4: so pocketed to the idea that even though he is

988
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 4: who he is.

989
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff in the eighties of how

990
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Prince was so full of himself and you don't look

991
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: him in the aisle, that kind of shit came from

992
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: that that even then, it's like, I know there's going

993
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: to be a hit record. I don't mind if my

994
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: voice is not it. It is what it is. That's

995
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: that kind of humility around something. Is I think, well,

996
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to write nineteen ninety nine, but is

997
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: it doing the job. If it's doing the job, then

998
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: that's enough. And that's takes a while to get to.

999
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: I think there was a time when I don't know,

1000
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: if you're cooking, you want to put all the spices in.

1001
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 4: You want to make a taste of everything.

1002
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: If you're the first time you record a song, or

1003
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: you know you want to put a thousand different you

1004
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: know you want fifteen guitars on it.

1005
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 6: There's one which reminds me I got taught.

1006
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: I went to music school in Brisbane and my audio

1007
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: engineering lecturer was I believe your front of house guy Ian.

1008
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 5: Taylor, Okay, yeah, yeah, one of my fron houses.

1009
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the time, and he would always feel us

1010
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: full of stories about when he went through the South

1011
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: with you, and he told me he taught me the

1012
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: most extraordinary lesson, which was we're still there in front

1013
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: of that whole big mixing desk. They're not big anymore,

1014
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: but that at the time it was twenty four track

1015
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: reel to reels, this kind of thing. And he said,

1016
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: look at those buttons, a lot of buttons, right, and

1017
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: tell you one button dismissing.

1018
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 6: There's no d shit button.

1019
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's shit going on a tape, it'll be

1020
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: shit coming off tape, So get it right before you

1021
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: get it down.

1022
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: I never forgot the garbage in garbage out precisely.

1023
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 5: It's the same with digital really yeah. Yeah, you capture

1024
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 5: whatever you're capturing, end up with up with.

1025
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: Too much data.

1026
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: When you're you're doing you're going on the road like

1027
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: a request thing, which is wild. What's I'm interested in

1028
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: the mechanism Midnight Off have the chocolate Wheel.

1029
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Wheel. I'm a little bit like.

1030
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 5: I started this process two thousand and five, I think

1031
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 5: it was. I did a tailored set, and I did

1032
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 5: it with bits of paper.

1033
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 4: That on that particular occasion, it was like little menus

1034
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 4: that we distribute at the door with like little those

1035
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: pencils that you get a put putt. You know. It

1036
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 4: was a hot mess. Like people at in those sort

1037
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: of venues were like, you know, and they'd scribble all

1038
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: over them and stuff, and I would get some legitimate requests,

1039
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: but I don't know Dick and Ball.

1040
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 5: Sorry, I don't do songs from South Park.

1041
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, but yeah, it was kind of like I

1042
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: don't want all that homework either before I'm about to

1043
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: go on stage.

1044
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 5: This is horrible, you know, like I'm good enough to

1045
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 5: think about.

1046
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: So I just sort of parked it over there until recently,

1047
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 4: and I mean, now we have the mechanisms with socials

1048
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: and everything, and it's just so much better. So I've

1049
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 4: made two playlists because I thought I'm going to be

1050
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 4: a lot more bit more controlling, and it's like here's

1051
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: thirty songs and here's another ten covers. So it's like

1052
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 4: thirty a lot most of them singles from my catalog,

1053
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: and then some wild cards from anything from you know,

1054
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: a Rihanna song to moon River. You know. So there's

1055
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of covers and a whole and a

1056
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 4: whole pile of my catalog and then just pick and

1057
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: then you're allowed to put like some like wild thing

1058
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: off off the third.

1059
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 5: Box and then the fourth box.

1060
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 4: Because this is all done so through Survey Monkey or

1061
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: Male championneah, yeah, anyway, it's right, why you know, Like

1062
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: so that's probably the most enjoyable thing is I get

1063
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 4: all this put into a document a few days before

1064
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: the show, which is a good time at the show,

1065
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 4: and I correlated all and even with the algorithms now

1066
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 4: of this of this program that we're using that does

1067
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: these little graphs of like which song is most popular

1068
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 4: in this particular town, so I can visually see, you know,

1069
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: that one's been requested the most.

1070
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, like make.

1071
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: It beautiful collaborative things with.

1072
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: The people that Yeah, I mean, I'm going to assume

1073
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: there are there'll be people that come to check you out,

1074
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: they know you're familiar with you, they buy a ticket,

1075
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: But there's people that have been with you.

1076
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: Right cools, Like I know there's artists now that are

1077
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 4: actually basing. Like I've just been with the Sushi Mango

1078
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: guys doing their podcast and they're doing a tour and

1079
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: they're based where they're doing that, the promoters are based

1080
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 4: where they're going basically on off off the algorithm, you

1081
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: know of who's streaming, and so this kind of by

1082
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 4: requesting like looking at it, it's like I'm going to

1083
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: play a town tonight where this particular song is really

1084
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: freaking popular, So I'm going to definitely do that song

1085
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: and I'm going to put it in a good spot.

1086
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 5: So it's like it really gets a lot of attention.

1087
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: I can kind of kind of tweak my set to

1088
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: like tailor it to like what the vibe is in

1089
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 4: that town because it's different every don't ask me why,

1090
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: but like one song will be like, Wow, they really

1091
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: love that song and this down and it's like twenty

1092
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: people and that's enough of a contingency to give this

1093
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 4: vibe in the room that night. But reading the comments,

1094
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: it's really it's actually quite humbling some of the things

1095
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 4: that people say. Why and what I mean, It's not

1096
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: like I don't know that music. Music has impacted me,

1097
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: so why wouldn't it impact you know, people that are

1098
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: fans of my music. But seeing it written out like that,

1099
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 4: you know, it snapped me out of a malaise A

1100
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: few times.

1101
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 5: I remember having to go to Camra and.

1102
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 6: That's sad in itself, that sad sentence. Oh no, it was,

1103
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: I'm sad for you.

1104
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: It was the day after nine to eleven we had

1105
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: a gig wow, and it was like off to Camber

1106
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: we went, and we drove. It was just seemed like

1107
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 4: like what are we doing? It was one of those

1108
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: like what I felt like, what is this thing that

1109
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: I'm doing? This music thing like? And we got up

1110
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 4: and played and it was almost I was just like

1111
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: glazed over. I was in I was kind of out

1112
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 4: of my body. I don't even remember, like I just remember.

1113
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: I remember the post gig morn. I remember like kind

1114
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 4: of coming back on the stage to help the crew

1115
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 4: so we could just all get to get out of there.

1116
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: And there was just a couple of people left in

1117
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 4: this This girl comes up and she just said, look,

1118
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 4: it's really I know you guys aren't in a good way.

1119
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, sorry, and she just said, Look,

1120
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that this particular album and

1121
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 4: I think was Soul Lost Companion. Anyway, I was in

1122
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: hospital and Da Da Da Da Da, and it really

1123
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: I listened to it, you know, on repeat, and it's

1124
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: really really helped me.

1125
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 5: And she was up in you know, hopefully she was

1126
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 5: in a good way.

1127
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 4: She was standing up right, so and it just like

1128
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: was like a slap in the head of just like, yeah,

1129
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 4: that's what you do, you idiot, you know, just keep

1130
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: freaking doing it.

1131
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 5: Like music is south, it's met us medicinal.

1132
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 4: But for like, I just lost, like I was a

1133
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 4: squirrel that just dropped my nut, you know, and understandably,

1134
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 4: like you know.

1135
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 5: It it was so.

1136
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 4: For anyone watching the news that night. My wife and

1137
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 4: I like we watched it till about six in the

1138
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 4: morning and then went to bed, like and we were

1139
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 4: looking at streets that we knew, like our friends were

1140
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 4: like in that apartment going that's Catty and Thomas place,

1141
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 4: and there was a piece of you know, fuselage and

1142
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 4: freaking engine like in the street with just all this dust,

1143
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 4: and it was it was just unfathomable.

1144
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, things like that, I mean, I'm just lucky.

1145
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 4: I have a job that can make people feel like

1146
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: giving them some slve, you know, in their lives.

1147
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: So music is for a bunch of you know, mathematically

1148
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: parallel vibrations in air. Music and arrangement of them has

1149
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: and it's just a particular pattern in this particular order.

1150
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 4: You're a time lord, you are.

1151
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: You own a time machine because when you play that song,

1152
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: when we hear that song and it's something and it

1153
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: resonates on it, it just stamps that moment in our

1154
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: day completely and it gives us this three minutes and

1155
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: twenty eight seconds of completely, very clear emotional memory of

1156
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: where I was in that time in my life.

1157
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 6: I just lost my.

1158
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: Virginity, I just lost a job, I just broke up

1159
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: with someone, I just met someone, my child got born, whatever.

1160
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: And every time you hear that song for eternity, you're

1161
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: back there, like the smell of grand mass cooking, you

1162
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: are there. And so when you're standing on stage and

1163
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: you're giving them that, they're in that moment and you're you're,

1164
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: you're you're with them, and that's a it's fucking unbelievable

1165
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: that our brains do ye, but it's such a beautiful thing.

1166
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I have playlists ready to go. I

1167
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: use music as valium.

1168
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: Now there's that, and then there's the other spectrum of that.

1169
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 4: So I mean, I have all those feelings on stage,

1170
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: and I don't that the most bizarre things of like

1171
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: come my way on stage two like that, I was

1172
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 4: doing a gig somewhere and rural Victorio wangerrat it was.

1173
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 5: It was, and I think it was. And there was

1174
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 5: an older.

1175
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: Gentleman like right up the front and he was yeah,

1176
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 4: quite quite elderly, and I thought, oh, cute, you know,

1177
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 4: and he was with a couple of younger guys around

1178
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 4: him and they were all kind of.

1179
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I can't yeah the old bloke, you know,

1180
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 5: they're doing that sort of thing.

1181
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: And it was there was it was broad sort of

1182
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: daylight because it was like a half kind of big

1183
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: gardenish sort of place anyway, because it was afternoon, and

1184
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: I kept hearing this like in between, like I finished

1185
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 4: the song and I'd hear this like something that was

1186
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: like what and I couldn't quite get what, but I

1187
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: was just there and it was the same constant sort

1188
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: of thing. Anyway. I finally heard it properly and it

1189
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 4: was like take take your shirt off, and I was like,

1190
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 4: oh god, it's the most yea anyway this and it was.

1191
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: And then I looked at the guy and he was

1192
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: like looked at me, like, yeah, that's me. I said

1193
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 4: that sort of thing, and you know, that's that's part

1194
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 4: of my job as well, like getting heckled in a

1195
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: and anyway, So I told him I had to tell somebody.

1196
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 4: I was traumatized. And I think I said. I told

1197
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 4: him and he was like, yeah, that's prison talk. And

1198
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, okay, it's like how dudes talk to

1199
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: each other in jail.

1200
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, he's been probably been in jail, you know.

1201
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh great, you know, okay, that's amazing. Yeah.

1202
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 5: I mean it's like that's the other end of our job.

1203
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: So you know, I kind of like I don't want

1204
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 4: to you know, bring the bring bring it down here

1205
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: into No, not at all, you're giving that play up.

1206
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: We are just you know, we're kind of like, yeah,

1207
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 4: entertainers at the end.

1208
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 6: Of the and you who people have people put some

1209
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 6: stuff up.

1210
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 4: Kind of person you must be most of the time,

1211
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 4: like let's let's I'm grateful that most of my fans

1212
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: that come and just really lovely and polite, and but

1213
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: they're there.

1214
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 5: It blows my mind sometimes.

1215
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: And then I just have to think, well, you know,

1216
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: mental health, who knows what people are going through.

1217
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 5: Sometimes people yell stuff out.

1218
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: He's got it together enough to get he must he's got.

1219
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 4: That goes like, you know, tells people to shut up

1220
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 4: and get out or whatever. It's just don't look me

1221
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 4: in the eye. I'm pretty exactly, you know, Like, but

1222
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 4: I am the teacher up there, and I have had

1223
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 4: to Oh, no, that's fine.

1224
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: People are through an experience, that's true, and that's fine.

1225
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: That's another part of our.

1226
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 5: Jobs is yeah, I don't have to look after our flocks.

1227
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and for the most part, crowds, it's not.

1228
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: You know what.

1229
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 6: I was seventeen when I became a roady. That's where

1230
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 6: most of the hearing damage came from.

1231
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: I was already for like three years before I got

1232
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: my own bed, and time before CCTV, like ninety two

1233
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: to ninety five. The fucking violence in Pibes was just

1234
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: like what you watch on YouTube is now thing nothing

1235
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: to the kind of shiites.

1236
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 5: The violence and also the danger of the environment.

1237
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: I was talking to someone about how bands used to

1238
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 4: come into pubs, they would road caase the hell out

1239
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: of the place, bring all this gear in. The glasses

1240
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 4: that they had behind the bar were actual glass, and

1241
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: that glass would just turn into a sea of crushed glass,

1242
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 4: which the road crew would like then load the gear

1243
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: out through, so bits of it would get stuck to

1244
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 4: the wheels of the roadcases would and inevitably end up

1245
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: on someone's hand. It was. It was a blood bath.

1246
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes it would literally it was so like mind blowingly

1247
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: the opposite of eh. And there is something to it.

1248
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: And I l this because Georgia turned eighteen safety or

1249
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: Georgia tenn eighteen during.

1250
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 6: COVID and all those clubs closed.

1251
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: I remember riding my motorbike down Ox's Street and I

1252
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: was crying because I wrote past DCMS going, She's she's

1253
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: never gonna, you know, hopefully, but she's never going to

1254
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: wander out of there on a Monday having gone out

1255
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. You know, she's never going to be

1256
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: like packed in like that. There's something when you're packed

1257
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: in so you don't actually have any say on which

1258
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: way you're moving. There's something that happens to us as

1259
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: humans when we're in that kind of environment. Terrifying, dangerous,

1260
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: but also in fucking credible. There's a there's a place

1261
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: down the road from here which I know you've played

1262
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: solid yeah, and there's something that happens. Yes, it's dangerous.

1263
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: But one of Jee's mates her mum. She used to

1264
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: run the bar at Selena's. She's in her mid sixties now.

1265
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: She was in charge of getting all the riders to

1266
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: the bands. And I have talked to her and going like,

1267
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: so hang on, this is like she goes, You don't understand.

1268
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 6: She's got the voice, you don't understand.

1269
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: Has in collected to play three nights at the start

1270
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: of every summer Thursday, Friday, Saturday. As I said, no

1271
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: FORI restrictions, fuck no, two and a half three thousand,

1272
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: and I said, and all cash, all cash. I used

1273
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: to count it. I said, what two hundred and fifty

1274
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: three hundred over the bar and the rest just nine

1275
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: to eighty seven money, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1276
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: cash a night. Not to mention, you know, like the

1277
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: drummer from that band bought a house, you know, but

1278
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: what that experience was for the people you couldn't move

1279
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: in there. You played that room at those times we did.

1280
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: What was it like, it was, well, we had the

1281
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 4: record for that year or whatever it was for the

1282
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 4: most people stuffed in. You know, that was kind of

1283
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 4: like a boasting thing that they would It was just

1284
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 4: kind of scary, like boasting about how many illegal people

1285
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: he was stuffing.

1286
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: In because nobody if something goes bad, but nobody's getting out.

1287
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: It was a thing, you know, stuffing in more people

1288
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 4: in and we had we had the record for that.

1289
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure someone came along and broke it

1290
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 4: or whatever, but yeah, it was crazy.

1291
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 5: You would walk on and it was just.

1292
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 4: Wall the wall humanity, like there was that monkey cage

1293
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 4: that called it.

1294
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 5: Up the side there, it was.

1295
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 4: Just people like in this sort of like and then

1296
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 4: of course the front and then it just went and

1297
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 4: you couldn't really see beyond that, and if you were stuck,

1298
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 4: you didn't have much of a view.

1299
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 5: There was a lot of bad viewing.

1300
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 4: So everyone tried to get into that up the front

1301
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 4: part of the room there where I had a little

1302
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: bit of a ceiling because the back of it underneath

1303
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 4: was kind of terrible. Thirty five So in Vaga w

1304
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: B yeah about you know, it's like I can't see

1305
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: too bad, you know, come earlier and sit through three supports.

1306
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 5: That's what people that wanted.

1307
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 4: I used to do that. I would not pee for hours.

1308
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 4: My god. So the normal time for the main act

1309
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 4: to go on there was like one pm, one am.

1310
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 5: Sorry, so hang away one am was like the go

1311
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 5: on stage.

1312
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah jeez. And that was that was a thing because

1313
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: they wanted the doors were probably at seven or something

1314
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 4: and they would have band, band, band band, just get

1315
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 4: everyone drinking.

1316
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 5: It's all about maximum bar take. That's what it was.

1317
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: Put the main act on as late as you can.

1318
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 4: So one am was our stage time. And I wasn't

1319
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 4: a fan of that, even even at you know, twenty

1320
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 4: one twenty two. I was like, it's too late.

1321
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: I'm tired.

1322
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 4: And for one instance, my manager thought he'd do a

1323
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: nice thing and booked booked us mass a massage because

1324
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 4: the dressing rooms with like these kind of rooms that

1325
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 4: were in the pub that were like kind of like

1326
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 4: you know.

1327
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 6: Three could hotel, three style hotel rooms hotel.

1328
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 4: And that was the band's you know, And so I

1329
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 4: got this massage, which just like it was like.

1330
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 5: A lesson learned. Don't ever get a massage that late

1331
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 5: in the day.

1332
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 4: Because I went on stage and I was just like

1333
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 4: I just had no like, I just wanted to go

1334
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 4: to sleep. I had to kind of it was like

1335
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 4: everything was in SlowMo. But somehow, yeah, got the adrenaline

1336
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: kicked in at some point.

1337
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: But oh man, how does it feel like when you're

1338
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: connecting with that with people because it's quite intimate. That

1339
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: room is the way it's built, the furthest person away

1340
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: on that second level is probably only fifteen.

1341
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: Mate as well. I never like got to say it

1342
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: wasn't one of my favorite stages because it just felt

1343
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: like we were too high. I don't like being so

1344
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: high that it was like a swimming pool, and that's

1345
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 4: what it felt like there. I prefer, you know, we're

1346
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: a little bit more on there on on their like eyesight.

1347
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: But you know, it was fun.

1348
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: I mean the monkey looking up and seeing all the

1349
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 4: people up there was always always fun. It was kind

1350
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: of like a miniature kind of arena sort of vibe.

1351
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: Just do you what do you feel come over you

1352
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: when you walk on a stage and you hear.

1353
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 4: That, Oh, you know, like just you've got to just

1354
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: do it, got to do it, got to do it

1355
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 4: really good. You know, it's kind of it's that do

1356
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: or die do a die thing is it's just sort

1357
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 4: of like surges through you. And you know that's that

1358
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: That was, you know, something that I would manage in

1359
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: a you know, for one ppetal. You know, I thought

1360
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 4: I was with well that my drink of choice then

1361
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 4: was vodka. So vodka was like just calm the nerves.

1362
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 4: Calm the nerves, and you know, it does give you

1363
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 4: that feeling of sort of like oh, you know, and

1364
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 4: then you sort of like then the sugar kind of

1365
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 4: like kicks in and then you sort of get that

1366
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 4: and then you get like then you're dumped down, and

1367
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: so your only option is to like top up. It's

1368
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 4: a dangerous combination and it took me well, let's just

1369
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 4: say so, let's just start from you know, fifteen. I

1370
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 4: was when I discovered the drink writer at gigs, no one.

1371
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 4: No one was about to say like, hey, you're fifteen,

1372
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 4: that's not for you.

1373
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: You're going to go on stage and make people buy alcohol.

1374
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: Lemon squash for you, buddy, you know, Oki pops on No.

1375
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 4: But I mean, if we want to really go back,

1376
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: I remember finding half ani bottles, bottles of Bacardi in

1377
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 4: the lane laneways behind the streets that we lived in

1378
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 4: in Wa and in Perth we lived in this part

1379
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 4: of that. It was all kind of like council housing,

1380
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 4: which I had these laneways and coming home from school

1381
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 4: you'd find all kinds of things. Packs of cigarettes. I mean,

1382
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 4: I started, you know, choffing on on Siggi's at like

1383
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: when I was eight or nine, and from finding them,

1384
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 4: and it was all very titillating, you know. It's like, oh,

1385
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like an adult, you know.

1386
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 4: And then the booze came and I remember my brother,

1387
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: I think I was like eleven, I found a bottle

1388
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 4: of Chinzana or something. He was like, give that to me.

1389
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 4: You know. It's like you're too young for that, you know.

1390
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 4: So that kind of playing with things like that started

1391
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 4: really early. So fifteen, you know, I was like, well

1392
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 4: on my way to kind of like living in an

1393
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 4: adult or thinking I was living in it.

1394
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: But if you're also playing in an adult world, you're

1395
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: in covers, and I'm guessing in covers, you're doing what

1396
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: four forty five minute sets a night or something on

1397
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: stage for hours.

1398
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 4: Well exactly, and you know the kind of intrinsically shy

1399
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 4: person that's in me, especially back then. You know, my

1400
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 4: kind of anxiety that I didn't even know was a thing.

1401
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 4: You know, It's like I didn't even know the word anxiety.

1402
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: But that's a whole nother conversation, you know, suddenly like

1403
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 4: weed and and alcohol are like, it's like, God, this

1404
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 4: is so much easier, you know, So you wouldn't be

1405
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: the first, and yes, I do know. I had many

1406
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 4: people totally. So that was my mo for well from

1407
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 4: then till early two thousands. And it was it was

1408
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 4: around that time that before or after that camera gig

1409
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: that I mentioned something happened. I was the band.

1410
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 5: I just a comment that one of my band members made.

1411
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, you really like change, you

1412
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 4: know when you drink at gigs, and I'm like, what

1413
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: do you mean? And they just mentioned about, you know,

1414
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 4: you throw chain around like when you come off stage,

1415
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 4: and I was they couldn't, I couldn't argue with him.

1416
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 4: There was an incident where I came off and it

1417
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 4: was like I felt the gig was really good, and

1418
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 4: I did. I felt like the band weren't as excited

1419
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: as me or something, which is ridiculous, you know, And it.

1420
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 5: Just was like what's wrong with you guys?

1421
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 4: You know this is this sounds great.

1422
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 5: You know, I'm having a great.

1423
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 4: Time sort of thing, you know, just being an absolute

1424
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 4: dick and threw picked up a plastic chair and threw it,

1425
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 4: you know, plastical wood.

1426
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It's a it's a big object. And

1427
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 5: and that's the thing I certainly realized, like suddenly I've

1428
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 5: kind of.

1429
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: Thought, you know what, adrenaline and any other thing is

1430
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: a really dangerous combination. Adrenaline alone. So I raw dogged

1431
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 4: it for the first couple of years. It was really

1432
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, it just kept for getting

1433
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 4: that urge. So I don't even I've never even liked

1434
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: coca cola, but it was like, I need coke on

1435
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 4: my rider. So I was just like, chug a bunch

1436
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 4: of coca. Coca cola sounds so ridiculous, caffeine and sugar,

1437
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 4: and I kind of get cranked on that I needed

1438
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 4: something else. And I knew it was going to be there,

1439
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 4: you know, like Coke's going to be there. I'm going

1440
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 4: to be okay. And I use the excuse of like, oh,

1441
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes my stomach's a bit upset, you know,

1442
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 4: I need that draino, Like, I mean, it's ridiculous, and

1443
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 4: people would like laugh and go, what's so bad about coke?

1444
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: Coca is like if you've ever been coke coke to

1445
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 4: a child and see seeing what it does to them,

1446
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 4: it's profound. Yeah, I'm not gonna I remember it. Oh

1447
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 4: I remember our son once said, one of my gigs

1448
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 4: got hold of a bottle of coca and it just

1449
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 4: was like watching a firecracker just spinning around on the ground.

1450
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 4: It was just I mean, it's like that amount of

1451
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 4: sugar and caffeine and just all those chemicals and stuff.

1452
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 4: Pure little body, a pure little host. Anyway, So yeah, anyway,

1453
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 4: kombucher is kind of like what I have on my

1454
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 4: rider now, kimbucher and it's honey and lemon. I'm so

1455
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 4: boring now, but yeah, yeah, it was.

1456
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: Because I would argue that I would argue that the

1457
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: beer blanket separates you from those around you, and there's

1458
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: an isolation we talked about earlier. Certainly, in my experience,

1459
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: it was a time in my life I couldn't certainly,

1460
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: like when idol and stuff was fucking colossal, I couldn't

1461
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 1: leave the house without at least four to get between

1462
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: me and what because if I had that, I was like, okay,

1463
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was, I was a recognizable person.

1464
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm crazy blonde hair and shit, And that gave me

1465
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 1: just enough microseconds to coo process a bit and understand

1466
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: rather than reacting in.

1467
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: A way that would get me in any kind of danger.

1468
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 4: Well you probably you probably could agree with me now,

1469
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 4: like you become at first, it's kind of shocking to

1470
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 4: be around people that are intoxicated. Now it's I wouldn't

1471
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 4: say I'm like just kind of an expert at it

1472
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 4: or anything, but I'm just very good at You get

1473
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 4: very tuned into kind of like just doing that little

1474
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 4: body swerb and not being like rude to anybody in particular.

1475
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 4: But you're just very good at just like it's like,

1476
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 4: oh too slow, you know, and they don't even know

1477
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 4: what's going on, and you can just like wish around

1478
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 4: them and because.

1479
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 5: They're they're they're impaired, there's no other word for it.

1480
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 5: One drink will impair somebody.

1481
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 4: That you've always got that little edge on, just like truth,

1482
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 4: you know, verbally or physically, just swishing around them and

1483
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 4: he's got a piece be right back, yeah, and never

1484
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 4: be right back. Ever, so I'm you know, to be

1485
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 4: like I guess, you know, dealing with the audiences now.

1486
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I mostly play theaters now, so it's it's

1487
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 4: a lot less intoxication.

1488
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 5: It's all about the time of the day.

1489
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,839
Speaker 4: Time of day and environment is what the two factors

1490
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 4: that I'm really conscious of with gigs now. And I

1491
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 4: love playing outdoor festivals that that's my favorite. Probably my

1492
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 4: favorite environment is just outdoors when the weather is just

1493
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,799
Speaker 4: like not too hot, not cold, and you're just feeling

1494
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 4: that oxygen because I love I love being outdoors and

1495
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 4: sucking oxygen. I'm a runner, so to be on stage

1496
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: and just sucking all that oxygen and feeling like you're

1497
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 4: getting on that oxygen high and you're playing music, there's

1498
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 4: just nothing better.

1499
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 5: It's it's like that's my big wave surfing for me. Yeah, right, so,

1500
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 5: and I don't surf.

1501
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: I wish tell me about I can't run anymore.

1502
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: I used to run ten gays every day and then

1503
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: eventually the mechanics will book.

1504
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 6: I'm a bit fucked. Now, tell me about running. What

1505
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 6: happens when you run?

1506
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 4: I get kind of in a there's still like I

1507
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 4: love telling people that, you know, as an encouraging thing.

1508
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 4: It's like, listen, don't worry. When you start, you're going

1509
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 4: to have that little voice going like don't do this,

1510
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 4: just go home, like sit down, you know, do something

1511
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 4: else or do it later. That little voice still comes out.

1512
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 4: It's like that asshole on my shoulder just still tries

1513
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: to tell me to like not do it everything. It's

1514
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 4: like I can't believe it's still there, but it is,

1515
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 4: and it's almost I guess maybe it's like entertainment for me.

1516
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 4: I I don't.

1517
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

1518
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 4: I think it's just always my that lazy side of

1519
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 4: me or yeah, whatever it is, it's just procrastinate.

1520
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 5: Maybe sometimes I have to. I have to say it's

1521
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 5: because I want to go straight into my studio and

1522
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 5: just do and it's like, you know, but.

1523
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's always like one day I asked myself

1524
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 4: I was running and it was like it came into

1525
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 4: my head like a like a like an epiphany of

1526
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,560
Speaker 4: just like why do you do this? And then it

1527
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: was like whoa what what what did you just say?

1528
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 4: Like it was kind of like why do you do this?

1529
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 4: You know? And I'm like kind of laugh to myself,

1530
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 4: just like why do I do this, And then I

1531
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 4: just really went deep and to kind of it went

1532
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 4: down some spiral of like and it was I figured

1533
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 4: out that maybe it's because I used to do the

1534
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: pain first.

1535
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 5: Sorry, do the pleasure first, the pleasure, and.

1536
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: Then I get the pain and always go, damn, this hurts,

1537
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 4: you know, like give me some more pleasure. Now I'm

1538
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 4: doing the pain and then I get the pleasure, and

1539
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: I've just reversed it. I've just reversed it. Maybe I'm

1540
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 4: a sadistic bastard, but I just I like to kind

1541
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 4: of delay gratification. I've always been a big fan of that,

1542
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 4: and I just yeah, it's like, do the pain, then

1543
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 4: you're going to get the game. You're going to get

1544
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 4: those endorphins, that feeling. You can't unlock that stuff any

1545
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 4: other way. And I also use it as a desk

1546
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 4: cleaning mechanism like I used to like when I first started,

1547
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 4: I would put headphones on and it was a way

1548
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: of like catching up on music or listening to Yeah.

1549
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 5: This is like pre dates podcast. So a lot of

1550
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 5: a lot of my songs come that way.

1551
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: I don't I mean, it's not like I don't sit

1552
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: in the studio and tinker and like like something happened

1553
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 4: like last week where I was just playing with an

1554
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 4: old piece of equipment and old role and chorus delay

1555
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 4: thing just has this Really it's like the two parts

1556
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 4: of the space echo without the tape. So it's got

1557
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 4: the chorus and the reverb and the river and it's

1558
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 4: just so low fire and kind of bucket brigades.

1559
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 5: So it's just like you and you get the sweet spot.

1560
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 5: And I was just playing and it was like, oh,

1561
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 5: then I.

1562
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 4: Wrote a whole song just by being inspired. A lot

1563
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 4: of things have happened that way too, and that's also

1564
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 4: a great excuse to keep buying equipment. Honey, I need it.

1565
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 4: It's you don't understand this is you know it's positable.

1566
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:27,839
Speaker 6: I'm searching for centage.

1567
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 4: I've got a manufacturer, so you know that's a way.

1568
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 3: But most of it is.

1569
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. I find it a lot easier to write when

1570
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 4: I'm away from my studio and away from all the

1571
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 4: distractions of you know, familiarity and stuff, and it's just

1572
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 4: all happens in here. I call it the human radio.

1573
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 4: Just kind of tune into it. I'm sure you have

1574
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 4: a radio too.

1575
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, there is I got taught, ununfortunately

1576
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: has passed away. Andrew said, well, one of the greatest

1577
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: brains of all time. He simply taught me, fill your

1578
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: brain full of everything you need, all right, and then

1579
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: go do something else. The answer won't come while you're

1580
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: doing the thing. You're trying to figure out. Your subconscious

1581
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: needs time, and when it's ready, you'll go. That's like

1582
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: a like an old school card fed computer. A light

1583
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: will go off and the answer, Oh, you know what,

1584
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: there it is and it's everything.

1585
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 4: I think Neil finn I did some writing with him

1586
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 4: in New York and he had got into talking about

1587
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 4: the process a little bit, and he said, yeah, most

1588
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 4: I have a lot of naps on the couch in

1589
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 4: the studio.

1590
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 5: And that's where a lot of my songs come.

1591
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 4: On the couch. The nap. It's that like, it's not

1592
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 4: really like a heavy sleep, but it's just you know,

1593
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 4: that kind of like and you just need to like,

1594
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 4: just like you said, get out of get into the

1595
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 4: subconscious just enough, dip into that pool. So running is

1596
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 4: a good place.

1597
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: But by doing it as a creative person, it's important

1598
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: to do it regularly.

1599
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: You got to be mechanistic about it. It's a job.

1600
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 4: You can't just sit around.

1601
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wait for my fourth album to drop

1602
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: out of this guy, you have to figure out what

1603
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to go to.

1604
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 4: Summons it up. Yeah, And like I say, the radio

1605
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 4: truly feel like sometimes I'm running along and it's just

1606
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 4: noise and I'm just talking to myself and thinking shit,

1607
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 4: you know, like when I say shit, just like unproductive,

1608
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 4: like maybe you know, negative thoughts and stuff whatever it is,

1609
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, no, get away from that. Tune in,

1610
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 4: tune in, find something, find a riff, find something, you know,

1611
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 4: think about Summon's up, a feeling, a lyric, something, just

1612
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 4: find something. Yeah. And it's just like you know, someone say,

1613
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 4: can hear turning the door, and then you're just click

1614
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 4: into something. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, I don't like that.

1615
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 4: Change it, you know, change it to another gear. This

1616
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 4: is all going on while I'm running, and it's it's

1617
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: just it's a fun kind of thing to like pass it.

1618
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 4: And I find when I have those runs that I'm

1619
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 4: back to my finishing point so much sooner.

1620
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 5: Like that's another good thing. It's like it takes to

1621
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 5: kind of like, oh god.

1622
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 4: I just need to finish these last two k's, you know,

1623
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 4: and suddenly when you tune into the internal radio, you're like, boom,

1624
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 4: you're done, and then I do my next bit. You know,

1625
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 4: we're just getting on the grass and just doing my

1626
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 4: you know, make as many shapes as I can with

1627
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 4: my body and stretch out and do all that stuff.

1628
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 4: But I love getting on some grass every day because

1629
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 4: for the literally the grounding that you get. And you know,

1630
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 4: hippies would say that's like, oh, of course, you know

1631
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 4: you need to be grounded man, And you know it's

1632
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 4: only just dropped on me that that's what they mean

1633
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 4: when people say, oh, that person's really grounded, Like whether

1634
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 4: they realize it or not, it's like literally like grounded

1635
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 4: in an electrical way because we have so much static charge.

1636
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, sitting in this room right now,

1637
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 5: as much.

1638
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 4: As I I'm a big fat RF mate, I love it. Yeah,

1639
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 4: I love me. There's a lot of it happening right

1640
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: I feel like I should be wearing one.

1641
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 6: Of those dude I've got between my hearing aids.

1642
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: They shoot, they shoot wires across my brain so they

1643
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: can communicate with each other the whole day.

1644
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: It's amazing. So one thing.

1645
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: I used to read comic books and what you just

1646
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: told me it looks like the first frame of a

1647
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: superhero exposition, like Michael's falling from a radio tower. As

1648
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: a child, was gifted with the power of a radio.

1649
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: And that's right, I got some Ham radio exactly forever

1650
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: he carries a like Ham and there it is. But

1651
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: you know when it comes on the bicycle now, but

1652
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: not only when I'm riding, but I was. I got

1653
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: a swiner in the backyard. I spend a lot of

1654
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: money on things that I've wanted to make me feel

1655
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: better than they do now. There is nothing greater in

1656
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: my life for as far as creativity, ideation and my

1657
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: mental health than that thing. Because I have a deliberate

1658
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: time every day. I don't do anything except be with discomfort.

1659
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: And it's right, it's part of my bedtime.

1660
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 4: Well we just that's where I'm That's exactly what. It's excellent.

1661
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 4: And the ideas that lean into discomfort, it's so good.

1662
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, yes, pleasure is nice, but after

1663
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: a while, you can only eat so much chocolate cake.

1664
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 5: And you know, I guess the dopamine deficit. It's a

1665
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 5: guy an ongoing.

1666
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 4: Thing for me. And you know, I definitely like when

1667
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 4: I when I speak to my brother, there's a couple

1668
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 4: of brothers in my family who just seem to be

1669
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 4: just surging with serotonin. And it's not just me who

1670
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 4: I think everyone that around me and my family notices.

1671
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 4: It has become a bit of a joke. It's like

1672
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 4: I'll even make a joke about it on stage, you know,

1673
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 4: if I get onto that subject.

1674
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 5: Of Like, by the way, I'm from a family of seven.

1675
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 4: You know, my mother had my brother is just so

1676
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 4: happy that you know, she took the last bit of

1677
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 4: he took the last bit of serotonin out of my

1678
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 4: mum's womb, and it was just like nothing for me,

1679
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: you know, Like, but you know that's part of my

1680
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 4: I guess it's part of what makes me the artist

1681
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 4: that I am, I suppose, and that's the thing. Coming

1682
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 4: to peace with the brain that we've got.

1683
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: Is a really important part I think of if you've

1684
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: ever been struggling with anxiety, depression, or any kind of

1685
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: mental health, Okay, this is what I've got.

1686
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 3: The great things in my life also.

1687
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: Because of this, How can I manage these bits and

1688
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: keep the things that it gives me over here.

1689
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 5: That's the trick.

1690
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: Trying to make that thing go away just makes it bigger,

1691
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: totally and more dangerous.

1692
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna lie.

1693
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 4: Like when I get on the phone with my brother

1694
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 4: to this day, the way he answers, even the phone,

1695
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 4: it's just like, what the fuck boo?

1696
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 5: How can you be so fucking happy?

1697
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 4: You know?

1698
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 6: It's just get man, It's not if I say that,

1699
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 6: it kind of goes sorry, you.

1700
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 4: Know, and nothing makes it worse. It's just like, just

1701
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 4: be an asshole for one second to me, and then

1702
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 4: I'll feel better to just say like fuck you, bro,

1703
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 4: you know, and then I'll be like cool. You know.

1704
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 6: I change gears too quickly. I get out of to

1705
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 6: keep myself alive.

1706
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: I get out of resentment as quickly as I possibly can,

1707
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: and I try real hard to process things very very

1708
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: very fast so I can get to possibility. Because if

1709
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: I sit in resentment and bitterness, then I start to

1710
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: get justifications, not the choices that are not good for

1711
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: around me. And or just like just be fucking pissed

1712
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: off for a second that the guy cuts you off

1713
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: like he might be in a rush. It's okay to

1714
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: get angry for a second. I can't afford to, honey,

1715
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's not going to change anything, you know.

1716
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: I can't be I can't let myself get out.

1717
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 4: There's a really popular book right now which my wife

1718
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 4: has been saying this for years and we're kind of

1719
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 4: laughing about it.

1720
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 5: In a good way. But the book's called let them

1721
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 5: Robins thing.

1722
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, let them chef's been saying that to our kids

1723
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 4: and me liked was doing this, let them just let them.

1724
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: She didn't come up with that, in fact. Yeah, that's

1725
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: what you can look at. People can look into it

1726
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: if they want to. My brother has one. It's their garden,

1727
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: their path.

1728
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 4: Man.

1729
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh, and that's what what songs are. What we've just

1730
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: talked about a metaphor. It's a small, tiny, little story

1731
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: and just a couple of words, you're able to paint

1732
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: a much, much bigger picture. And it's the same with music.

1733
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:57,560
Speaker 1: It's the same with lyrics. It's the same with a

1734
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: chord progression. It's you know, a minor chord progression, will

1735
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, taking that resolves to something you know beautiful.

1736
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: And a key change is the audio vibration story of

1737
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: the birth of a child, for example, because that's certainly

1738
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: how I feel and I hate it when it's like

1739
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: a West Life song and a key change and now

1740
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm covering in Chris pumps and I'm crying like you've.

1741
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 3: Checked my body with music.

1742
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

1743
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 6: But that's the thing that we've got, and it's really

1744
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 6: it's it's.

1745
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm not a snob, like, no, not at all. I

1746
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 4: get I'm guessing you you aren't either. I just, you know,

1747
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 4: like people like to sort of kind of put things

1748
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 4: in the boxes.

1749
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 5: Like can't like that, because it's like why not?

1750
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 1: You know? When I got I got to live my

1751
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: musical fantasy, man, I got to program the Rage one

1752
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: night and people were livid that I put Slayers rain

1753
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: in Blood, and Carlie Ray Jebson's called me, maybe it's.

1754
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 4: One of the upset people. They're as hard people that

1755
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 4: are upset about that.

1756
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: That's those Each of those songs is as hard to

1757
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: write as the other, like have you Abba is like

1758
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: a Michelangelo David every song do you know how fucking

1759
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: hard it is to.

1760
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 4: Write anything by Kathy Dennis?

1761
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 3: Every part is a hook.

1762
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,879
Speaker 5: I was explaining to Every part is the hook.

1763
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: You know, I was explaining to g the other day

1764
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: and this is the thing because there's so much music now.

1765
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: The's seven hundred thousand songs I think get uploaded to

1766
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: Spotify each week. A lot of my music discovery now

1767
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: comes from Georgia, which is great because she's got great

1768
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: taste of music. But she's she started to listening to

1769
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 1: Springsteen and stuff like that when she cooks. And she

1770
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: played four on Blonde the other day and I started

1771
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: to explain it her.

1772
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 6: I was like, do you know who that girl is?

1773
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 3: It's like, what do you means?

1774
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 4: Like she won the lottery.

1775
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: She now doesn't have to go on tour like all

1776
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: of Pink's music, like Boom. She is incredibly she's fucking

1777
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: figured it out.

1778
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 6: And it's that's that ability to connect that way through

1779
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 6: writing songs.

1780
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable.

1781
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about this because Georgia was in

1782
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: the car with us yesterday and she listened to Born

1783
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: to Run for the first time because she's been listening

1784
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: to I'm on Fire off the Born in the USA record.

1785
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: I said, you had Born to Run, so put it on,

1786
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: and so we put it on in the car and

1787
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the album cover comes up. I'm looking at him, going

1788
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, he's twenty four, twenty four, when he wrote

1789
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: that he's on the cover holding the thing and he's

1790
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: leaning against Clarence Clammens, and I'm thinking to myself because

1791
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 1: I know I'm talking.

1792
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 6: To he was like, are there any jobs for saxophones anymore?

1793
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 5: Because now your dad plays my dad.

1794
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, Like it's it's one of those instruments

1795
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 4: where it was it came.

1796
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: And it went yeah, and it was when when you

1797
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: listen to that kind of spring scene stuff and you

1798
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: listen to it now, it's kind of interesting.

1799
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 6: You can't make music like that anymore. Like one of

1800
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 6: my favorite, one of my friends of sacks and I

1801
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 6: have a I have a chat back and forth with

1802
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 6: Gary Pinto.

1803
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 3: He used to be in CDB.

1804
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 5: I love Gary, I.

1805
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: Love him smach he does all the vocal did all

1806
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: vocal mask singer because he's the greatest. He's beautiful, and

1807
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: he and I just shoot each other videos and songs

1808
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: of like just ridiculous Sweaty Brothers in PVC.

1809
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1810
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 5: That's his wheelhouse Earth winder Fire.

1811
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Live at the Boudhicon in nineteen eighty one, and you

1812
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: look at it and you're like, there's twelve guys on

1813
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: stage in the full space suits.

1814
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 4: Incredible. Nobody can afford to do that.

1815
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Japan with thirty crew and a seamstress

1816
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: for the band and listening to Born to Run Yesterday.

1817
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 4: No one can afford.

1818
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 1: No twenty four year old can afford to write that

1819
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: song now, because I can't afford eight horns, I can't

1820
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 1: afford two drummers. I can't afford to put everyone in

1821
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: a hotel on tour every night. And I wonder, you know,

1822
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: you're going on the road by yourself, you know, well, yeah,

1823
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:39,639
Speaker 1: it's it's.

1824
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 4: Actually I had that sort of I get I call

1825
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 4: it the five star you know, Oxford University or whatever

1826
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 4: Ivy League education, recording in places like Air Studios in

1827
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 4: London and Oxford Circus and you know Ardent Studios and Memphis,

1828
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 4: the Gray Room in Los Angeles where they mixed garage ink,

1829
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: you know, and so many other albums. Oh and yeah,

1830
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 4: the Record Plant and Salsolito where you know, Fleetwood Mac

1831
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 4: Rumors was recorded and songs in the Key of Life

1832
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 4: were like up on the wall. So I've recorded at

1833
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 4: some legendary studios with some incredible people like Bernie Willrell.

1834
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 4: You know, playing keyboards and you know, the Memphis Horns,

1835
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 4: Al Green's backing singers. I had to go to Branson, Missouri,

1836
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 4: so I got to experience all of that before you know,

1837
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 4: the industry kind of started imploding. Yeah, but at the

1838
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 4: same time, you know, my trajectory was getting more self

1839
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 4: sufficient at the same time, and I wanted to wasn't

1840
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 4: because of like, oh damn, I'm going to need to

1841
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 4: learn how to make I wanted to know how to

1842
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 4: be a producer.

1843
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 5: I wanted to know how to do it all myself

1844
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 5: at home. And yeah, not for everyone.

1845
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 4: Not every artist wants to be autonomous, and I respect

1846
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 4: that some artists are just like I don't want to

1847
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 4: know how it all works. I just want to be

1848
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 4: a performer and write. I'm like, okay, I understand that.

1849
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 4: It's like, gee, good luck. You know, it's hard. It's

1850
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 4: really hard because for years, in my early years, I

1851
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 4: would have to call up somebody, Hey, you know, can

1852
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 4: we book some session, you know, like call up an

1853
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 4: engineer or whatever. It was always a process to get

1854
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 4: in and make stuff. And now I'd do it at

1855
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 4: thirty three thousand feet, you know, like literally like making things.

1856
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 4: It's a dream that I always have is just be

1857
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 4: on the make something anywhere or at least finish something,

1858
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 4: do you know, the editing or whatever. It is like

1859
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 4: just be able to work out of office anywhere and

1860
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 4: you can now, so that that's the plus side. But

1861
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 4: like everything you just said, it it gives me a

1862
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 4: feeling of sadness that it sort of does for like

1863
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 4: young artists. Yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't avoid it.

1864
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 4: It's just like only because you know, I do work

1865
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: with a lot of it young artists, and not all

1866
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 4: of them, but quite a lot of them.

1867
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 5: Sort of I could feel this lament that they have.

1868
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: It's just like, oh god, I'd love to know what

1869
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 4: it's like to record, you know, in a studio and

1870
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 4: maybe use tape. And I'm like, look, tape's cool. You know,

1871
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 4: it makes the symbols and the guitars sound really squishy

1872
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 4: and nice. But you can kind of do that if

1873
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: you know what you're doing with plugins. You know, it's

1874
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 4: all about kind of what you're putting in. I think

1875
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 4: we've gone, you know, past that thing. I'm just like,

1876
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 4: what's better? You know, I think they're both different. The

1877
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 4: tape is something that it's more of a a mine

1878
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 4: sort of set because when a band or an artist

1879
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 4: is recording on tape, and I love telling the stories

1880
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 4: about how it was someone's job to sit there and

1881
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 4: like punch in, punch out, punch in, punch out. And

1882
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 4: I remember like being you know, eighteen nineteen, my first

1883
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 4: experience was with it. It was kind of that you'd

1884
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: be trying to put parts down and there was this

1885
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 4: uneasy kind of thing that would happen in the room

1886
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 4: and the tape op would sort of start looking around

1887
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 4: before like actually saying anything because they were trying to

1888
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 4: be kind of polite. But to get to why basically

1889
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 4: you can only punch in so many times on that

1890
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 4: same area I've taped before you destroyed, well, it starts

1891
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 4: sounding terrible. And that's kind of what it's like if

1892
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: you want to make something for that reason, where you

1893
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 4: all have to just like get in there and do it. Yeah,

1894
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 4: record it to tape, because it will give you that

1895
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 4: tape mentality of like lights on record, get it right,

1896
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 4: monkey like otherwise just like you know, it's a joke.

1897
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 4: With digital recording, it's like sounds like shit, come on in.

1898
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: But the other thing with tape is that it gives

1899
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: you that you just got to ship it. You're like, well,

1900
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: that's the best take we've got. I remember with my

1901
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: own band, it's like this tape costs five hundred dollars.

1902
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: We can't afford the other one. That's going to be

1903
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 1: the one we go with. That's the one that's going

1904
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: on the album. And you just are cool with it.

1905
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: You get to the last stroke of the painting, the

1906
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: last word of the essay, you cannot go back and

1907
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: change it. And there's something to be said about just

1908
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: shipping something that's not Otherwise you'll just tink with it forever.

1909
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: I was just talking about the big bands before to

1910
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: talk about g and stuff like that. I just really

1911
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: wish that she could have the opportunity to be in

1912
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: a club, not men necessarily Selenas you're not a fan.

1913
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 4: Of that, but I don't know. I love Selena. Something

1914
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 4: like the Basement it was not even there anymore. The

1915
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 4: cult at Selena, Oh my god, iconic. It was the

1916
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 4: night they I don't know if they're having a particularly

1917
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 4: good night, but they decided to like gift their backline

1918
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 4: to the to the audience. It was really bizarre. Billy

1919
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 4: Hyde would have been thrilled. Oh so well, the manager

1920
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 4: with the promoter who was acting to be the promoter

1921
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 4: half of my management at the time, I thought that

1922
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 4: was like not funny at all.

1923
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: The idea of seeing, you know, a band with like

1924
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: ten people on stage in a room that only holds

1925
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,879
Speaker 1: three hundred, right, and there you are in a compound,

1926
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: like you know, being a family or squshed together and

1927
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: the band are wearing the same suit.

1928
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 6: They have the dance moves all down, they do the

1929
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 6: bank bank bank.

1930
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: They're doing the most day and the time thing, and

1931
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: everyone's tight and the band the punters are moving together

1932
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: as one. There's something that happens only once, only ever

1933
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 1: in that moment because of the audience and because of

1934
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: the band in that room at.

1935
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 5: The same time.

1936
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the economics of it no longer work out unless

1937
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: you want to charge a thousand bucks.

1938
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 4: Everyone walking in the front dour. Well. You know, recently

1939
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 4: I went and saw the Preachers here in Sydney at

1940
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 4: it keeps changing its name, the gig and Fox Studios,

1941
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 4: oh yeah, another one, yeah, And it was like, you know,

1942
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 4: pretty squishy, I have to say, And it was just comforting.

1943
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 4: You know, they were on fire. It was at the

1944
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 4: end of their tour, and it brought back so many

1945
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 4: memories of like, oh yeah, I remember this a band

1946
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 4: that's just on the lap around the country. They're on fire,

1947
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 4: they're playing tours big, you know, sold out crowd at home.

1948
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 4: You know. Okay, this is comforting, you know, but not

1949
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 4: enough of it. I'm afraid not enough, you know. But

1950
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 4: that was that was brought back a lot of good

1951
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 4: memories of what gigs should be. Like.

1952
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that people rubbing a piece of

1953
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: glass with their thumb trying to find that squirt of

1954
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: dopamine that they're going to get. That is infinitesimally, you know,

1955
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: comparable to what it is to go to a live

1956
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: gig with people that you don't know from your area,

1957
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: who all know at least one song of this band.

1958
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: And now suddenly you're in a community. You're a part

1959
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 1: of something bigger because you're in a community and you

1960
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: are you may vote differently from that person over there,

1961
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: but you person know the words of this song, and

1962
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: that the sort of thing that coheses us and I

1963
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: would I really, you know, love that. Gee, I see

1964
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: her now I've got this one woman focused group. She

1965
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: looks for more kind of things to do that are

1966
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: not to do with her phone. She goes and does

1967
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: live interactive stuff with humans and that, thankfully, I think

1968
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,839
Speaker 1: will last. And it is something that I would encourage

1969
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: anybody listening, like if you haven't been to a gig

1970
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: for I'll just go to just go to a gig,

1971
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: go to a gig.

1972
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 4: And you know it's sad, you know, the economics of

1973
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 4: that space in a lot of these venues they figured

1974
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 4: out that you know, pokem Machines was a bigger earner.

1975
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 4: But some venues, some pubs, and I have to say,

1976
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 4: like you know, the big like to say alh or

1977
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 4: the other one that's like it's like the Coals or Woolies,

1978
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 4: I believe.

1979
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 5: But the two big pub groups they've actually kind of

1980
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 5: had some.

1981
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 4: Kind of turnaround to some degree where they've thought, hmm, right,

1982
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 4: so we've got the bistro, We've got the meat raffle, Pokey's.

1983
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 4: Of course, oh there's some sports on the TVs. There

1984
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 4: was something else that used to bring people in. Oh

1985
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 4: that's right, music, you know, and tapping into that through

1986
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 4: their socials that they've realized that like, yeah, that's going

1987
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 4: to pay the rent and all that stuff. But unless

1988
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 4: they have that community that you just talked about, there's

1989
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 4: only it's like sports, religion, music, you know, brings people together. Yeah,

1990
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 4: and suddenly they're like, you know, I'm going to go

1991
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 4: to that on Facebook or whatever, and and community happens.

1992
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 5: That's the longevity.

1993
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 4: That's how that venues are going to is going to

1994
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 4: survive more than just like the hard seale and just

1995
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 4: taking their money extracting it out of their wallets. And

1996
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 4: so the ones that realized that it makes my heart

1997
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 4: seeing I just I hope there's there's more of a

1998
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 4: turnaround because it just has to. Like you can't. Yeah,

1999
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 4: I mean, this country is phenomenal, Like when when you

2000
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 4: think about it, like the the amount of live music,

2001
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 4: the amount.

2002
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 5: Of music we've produced is insane.

2003
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 3: It really is like it, you know.

2004
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: And then during COVID to find out that Melbourne had

2005
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 4: the most gigs per capita was was really comforting. But

2006
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 4: at the same time, it's like, well, I've been in

2007
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 4: Melbourne a lot and there could be some more gigs

2008
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned, But that says to me

2009
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 4: it's like, Wow, the rest of the world's a bit sad,

2010
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, but still good.

2011
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 5: News.

2012
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: But boy, we need to work on that, you know,

2013
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: like giving people a reason they come together and a

2014
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable. It's like this sweaty persons rubbing over

2015
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: against me. But you know what, I'm dancing and the

2016
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: lights are dark and there's we're so packed together. People

2017
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: can't see my dance moves. So I feel like happy

2018
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: and I can't see that well, but it's loud every.

2019
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 5: Time every time.

2020
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but you go into the

2021
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 4: end more and you end up in that corner there

2022
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 4: with the pas, you know, every time you walk in

2023
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 4: through that door every time because you've come at that time,

2024
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 4: and you're just like, there's the sorry support bands I

2025
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 4: show up like that's an actual reaction to go I

2026
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 4: don't and then you just go, no, just live with it,

2027
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 4: just sit with it, you know, and then lights go down,

2028
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 4: band comes on, and you're fine.

2029
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 5: But there's that because I'm not good.

2030
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 4: I love being a fan of music, because I still am,

2031
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 4: but there's there's that bit of like, no, I don't

2032
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 4: want to be I want to be up there. I

2033
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 4: don't like this, you know, But then I just sort

2034
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 4: of like I kind of just get into it. And

2035
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 4: then I see you know, the people are you know,

2036
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 4: I think i'd like to think that there's more and

2037
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 4: more etiquette about like because i'm hearing like, excuse me,

2038
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 4: sorry mate. You know like when I started, it was

2039
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 4: just elbows, just this. You know, it's a little bit

2040
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 4: more awareness of social of personal space now, which is

2041
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:18,720
Speaker 4: you know, a good thing.

2042
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: And thankfully a lot of these venues, particularly end More

2043
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: and other stuff like that, they do comedy, so they

2044
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 1: are kit it up to do the phones in bags

2045
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: things because I've heard stories about Silk Sonic, was Anderson

2046
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: Park and Bruno their gigs, So good phones and bags everybody.

2047
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what we're doing, all right. This happens

2048
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 6: only once.

2049
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: It's yes, we're playing here tomorrow night, but it won't

2050
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: be the same show because you want to hear it

2051
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 1: will be different. And there's something precious about creating something

2052
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: that will never ever ever happen again, which is what

2053
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: you're giving when people get a different show every night.

2054
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 4: I call it musical ice ice sculptures. Yeah, because impressive

2055
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 4: and then just turn your head and then it's just

2056
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 4: a puddle.

2057
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 5: You know, it's gone and you pack it up.

2058
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 4: It's always a surreal moment when I do a show

2059
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 4: and then I get out of my clothes and go

2060
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 4: back out in the theater and everyone's gone. It's just

2061
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 4: my crew, and I'm like, I just did something there

2062
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 4: it's gone. It's just this like you know, just there's

2063
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 4: just something still just lingering around, but it's gone. It's

2064
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 4: going back in the in the Pelican case now and

2065
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 4: going in the van like just get over it, like

2066
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 4: next one, you know, like you can't.

2067
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 5: You can't sort of. It's so it's tangible, but.

2068
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 6: Not people who build houses get to drive past it

2069
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 6: and go yep, that one, you know.

2070
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 4: Or even you know, like when you've you know, done something,

2071
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 4: mowed the lawn or something, it's like always nice to

2072
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 4: like have a look later and go, yeah, that looks good.

2073
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 4: I did that. I can't do that with gigs. I mean,

2074
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 4: someone would say why can't you record it or video?

2075
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 4: It's just not it's not the same.

2076
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't smell like sweat and farts and you know,

2077
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: burps and used to be drries some sort of scent

2078
01:36:59,040 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: from the chemist warehouse.

2079
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's shamee worn twenty three.

2080
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 4: No, And that's but that's a part of it.

2081
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it really beautiful is the you

2082
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: really have to be present to be there, and so

2083
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: take your fucking phone out of your hand, because when

2084
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: you watch it back, it won't feel the same.

2085
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 3: And you know what, You're never gonna watch it back.

2086
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 5: No, it's forever except your man.

2087
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 4: She's able to find it on in a heartbeat, just

2088
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 4: pull something up from her phone. She's like, it's got

2089
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 4: this like unbelievable archive memory, archival memory, incredible. She does

2090
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 4: look at everything, she really does. She's the one exception

2091
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 4: to that, and I agree, like most.

2092
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 5: People never look at it again.

2093
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 4: She will find it. Then I went.

2094
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 6: I took Orderary to Splendor once and I was like,

2095
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 6: I love this band.

2096
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know.

2097
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,440
Speaker 6: They just looked like four hundred go pros on sticks.

2098
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 4: That are doing this in the air.

2099
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 6: You're never gonna watch that.

2100
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 4: Put the fucking thing down. But thankfully.

2101
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: It's it's about if you can get to a gig,

2102
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 1: keep your phone in your pocket and just try to

2103
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: be with the discomfort of the presence of that humanity

2104
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: and tune into what is happening on stage.

2105
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 6: Those audio signals coming out of.

2106
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: The pa, the emotion from the performer, you're going to

2107
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: get something that you never get anywhere else, and that's

2108
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 1: what you're paying for. That's what your ticket money is for. Yeah,

2109
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: it's this emotional response that you can I think a

2110
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: lot of it.

2111
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 4: Is phomo like it's you know, it's kind of like

2112
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 4: I don't want I want people to know I was here.

2113
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 4: That the kind of whole thing of like wanting to

2114
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 4: sort of like share it with their friends and family.

2115
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to guessing you know why they want to

2116
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 4: capture so much. And yeah, it's just kind of like,

2117
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 4: you know, there was a time where it was in

2118
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 4: stamatic cameras. Yeah, they'd go and get it developed.

2119
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 3: In a month and forget they even did it. But

2120
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,799
Speaker 3: I was when I were doing the comedy shows.

2121
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: I would always tell people it's like, just keep your

2122
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: fine in your pocket a because I don't want to

2123
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 1: get sued because we're doing satirical political satire up here.

2124
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: But be try to be with not touching this thing

2125
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 1: that you touch all day and just try to be

2126
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: with the people around you. And like when people are

2127
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: coming into the room, I see them all next to

2128
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 1: each other, all right, because there's you probably in your

2129
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: earlier days, you played the gigs where the stage is

2130
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: here and there's an empty dance floor and then tables there,

2131
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and there's this chasm. You can't connect. So I put

2132
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: them next to each other. And as I'm putting next

2133
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: each other, it's like you've already got something.

2134
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 4: The sharks. It's the worst.

2135
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 5: It's like there's no sharks there.

2136
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 1: You're fine. I tell them all that you both bought

2137
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 1: a ticket to this thing. You've already got something in common.

2138
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Sit next to each other, you'll be fine. And you

2139
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: get to be the steward of this community that you're

2140
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, you get to go and sing songs and

2141
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 1: connect with them. They're connecting with you, telling them what

2142
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: songs they want to hear, asking you, here's the reason

2143
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I want you to play Calie red Jepson's Call Me Baby,

2144
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: just because d D da da da, And then you'll

2145
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: go like, maybe what is it?

2146
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 3: Thanks to coming around, I'm glad you chatted. Thank you,

2147
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,839
Speaker 3: And that was mirk last. How good is the impression

2148
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 3: of Jimmy Barnes? Pretty good?

2149
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: When Mark walked out of my house, we're walking through

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Speaker 1: Audery's wonderful veggie garden.

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Speaker 3: Hey do you cook?

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Speaker 1: He goes yeah, of course, would you like some chili's

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Speaker 1: damn straight, I'll put him on some fur.

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Speaker 3: So I grabbed the snippers and a.

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Speaker 1: Couple of birds, ice a couple of bigger ones in there,

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Speaker 1: put them in a paper bag and he he off.

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Speaker 3: He popped to go and make soup for his family.

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Speaker 3: What a guy can rock, can sing, can run, can

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Speaker 3: cook a mean fur? I love it.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to get to those gigs. They will be sensational.

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Speaker 1: He's a live by request touring across the country. All

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Speaker 1: the dates and the tickets are at Diesel music dot

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Speaker 1: com dot au. There's a link in the show notes

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Speaker 1: if you if you want to hear that, If you

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Speaker 1: like this show, If this show is good for you,

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Speaker 1: tell us, please tell someone, share it with someone, rate, follow, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: like the wordever you need to do, get on the

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Speaker 1: YouTube page. There's a sort of mailing list, so please

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Speaker 1: jump on that. Big thanks to everyone having to make

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Speaker 1: the show today. Damien Heaven then who produces episode, my

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Speaker 1: executive function assistant Cassidy Creepy. Without you, I'm just sitting

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Speaker 1: around going and thank you for listening, because without you,

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Speaker 1: there's no show. Yeah, yeah, see you soon.