WEBVTT - Anthony Siebold, Head Coach Manly Sea Eagles 0:00:05.681 --> 0:00:09.401 Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series. 0:00:09.641 --> 0:00:13.441 This series we launch into the new world of brave leadership. 0:00:13.561 --> 0:00:18.041 Happy people create happy businesses, true emotionally intelligent leadership. I've 0:00:18.081 --> 0:00:20.321 picked up Vombit once on our about our fourth flight 0:00:20.601 --> 0:00:22.520 and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him, 0:00:22.641 --> 0:00:24.361 I can do it. Now we will be joined by 0:00:24.401 --> 0:00:28.841 culture and leadership experts and some superstar CEOs who will 0:00:28.881 --> 0:00:32.600 courageously tell us the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.721 Today I am joined by Anthony Seabolt. Now love me 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.200 as sporting personality, so I'm really thrilled to have you 0:00:39.281 --> 0:00:41.681 here today. Anthony, you are the current head of the 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.921 Manly Sea Eagles. I guess footy fans will know you, 0:00:44.961 --> 0:00:47.400 but for people who aren't into footy, I guess your 0:00:47.561 --> 0:00:49.601 background being that you've been in the innel for many 0:00:49.681 --> 0:00:53.521 years now, including Melbourne Storm, South Sydney, Bristoe, Broncos, Queen's 0:00:53.521 --> 0:00:55.681 and Instead of Origin team, and you also work for 0:00:55.721 --> 0:00:58.521 England Rugby as an assistant coach as well. So welcome. 0:00:58.601 --> 0:00:59.161 Nice to have you. 0:00:59.281 --> 0:01:01.321 Yeah, it's always good to chat at Thanks for having us. 0:01:01.401 --> 0:01:03.441 I do love speaking to people in sport. Because I 0:01:03.441 --> 0:01:08.361 think the similarity into leadership and team are just great analogies. 0:01:08.761 --> 0:01:10.640 But the other reason I really wanted to talk to 0:01:10.681 --> 0:01:13.920 you is because you seem to have this passion for leadership. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.920 It's been long standing, actually greater than I've seen in 0:01:16.961 --> 0:01:19.481 a lot of other people. Where did that all start from? 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.881 I've always been curious, and I played just a professional 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:23.521 rugby league myself where I was a young guy, but 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.840 I did a teaching degree and so by the time 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.000 I was twenty one before rugby league went full time 0:01:28.041 --> 0:01:31.121 professionally and I was actually teaching sixth class, and so 0:01:31.321 --> 0:01:34.761 it's a really good influencers in the education industry and 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.121 good influencers around leadership principals and some deputy principles that 0:01:38.161 --> 0:01:40.840 I had when I was a young guy. But also 0:01:41.081 --> 0:01:43.321 when I finished playing over the English Super Leaguer came 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.281 back and I was a teacher and then a university 0:01:45.441 --> 0:01:47.721 lecturer that I had a great senior lecturer there. So 0:01:48.001 --> 0:01:50.201 I think a lot of sort of that leadership passion 0:01:50.241 --> 0:01:52.520 came from the back of really good role modeling from others. 0:01:53.001 --> 0:01:56.281 And then obviously I've sort of graduated from one level 0:01:56.281 --> 0:01:58.761 to the neccsent coach over a long period of time, 0:01:58.801 --> 0:02:01.801 I've sort of had experiences with some fantastic leaders in 0:02:01.841 --> 0:02:04.841 the sporting industry, and then through my curiosity, I've actually 0:02:04.841 --> 0:02:07.601 been able to spend time with some of the best 0:02:07.881 --> 0:02:10.641 leaders in the business world as well, including one recently 0:02:10.641 --> 0:02:13.161 with the Conwell Banksy Matt Kind and I've got a 0:02:13.161 --> 0:02:15.481 good relationship with Matt, so we spent a favorite of 0:02:15.561 --> 0:02:17.641 time together in the last of the twelve sixteen months. 0:02:17.841 --> 0:02:19.880 Yeah, awesome. So being a teacher was what you wanted 0:02:19.881 --> 0:02:20.761 to do when you're growing up. 0:02:21.001 --> 0:02:23.281 He was interesting. I came out of Central Queens ad 0:02:23.281 --> 0:02:25.441 and I was recruited by President Broncards as a seventeen 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.001 year old. So I just finished boarding school. A squad 0:02:28.081 --> 0:02:29.801 shatter at boarding school, I got to say, like, you know, 0:02:29.881 --> 0:02:32.400 as an all boys boarding school in regional Central Queens 0:02:32.441 --> 0:02:34.441 and and I came down and signed for the Broncos. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.201 Now in those days, this is the early nineties, so 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.681 I came down in ninety ninety two or seventeen. Rugby 0:02:39.761 --> 0:02:42.401 league was in full time evan at the Broncos level. 0:02:42.441 --> 0:02:45.001 We see on TV all those guys would have jobs 0:02:45.121 --> 0:02:48.201 or studying or apprenticeships, and then we were trained of 0:02:48.201 --> 0:02:50.321 an afternoon you'd see the guys on the TV on 0:02:50.361 --> 0:02:52.960 the weekend. So came down and one of the key 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.481 staff there, the broncos Connel. He's no longer with us, 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.481 he's passed away, but he was a legendary figure in 0:02:57.641 --> 0:03:00.321 education and Raugbid League in Queens and he really encouraged 0:03:00.401 --> 0:03:02.041 me to do a teaching degree and he said, look, 0:03:02.081 --> 0:03:04.121 wherever you go in the world, it'll always be works 0:03:04.121 --> 0:03:05.921 the teacher and if it's not teaching that you do, 0:03:06.041 --> 0:03:08.720 it all be a really good grounding. So he influenced 0:03:08.721 --> 0:03:10.800 me then. But it's almost twenty one, believe it or not. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.321 I was teaching year six. 0:03:12.481 --> 0:03:14.081 What was that like? Teaching year six? 0:03:14.361 --> 0:03:16.160 It was really interesting because you know, as a twenty 0:03:16.201 --> 0:03:17.801 one year old, like I think back on a twenty 0:03:17.841 --> 0:03:20.521 one year old self, cannot believe or I had a 0:03:20.561 --> 0:03:24.120 class of twenty five plus hits. Because we'd play away 0:03:24.281 --> 0:03:26.721 in Sydney or wherever we would play and then on 0:03:26.761 --> 0:03:28.721 five back Sunday night and you'd be in the classroom 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.721 on a Monday morning. It was different. It was different 0:03:30.761 --> 0:03:32.121 for a twenty one year old because I was still 0:03:32.201 --> 0:03:33.201 getting to know myself. 0:03:33.721 --> 0:03:36.081 Yeah, I was on Kenticky too. Its then and you 0:03:36.161 --> 0:03:37.441 were teaching in classrooms. 0:03:37.601 --> 0:03:39.641 Yeah, yeah, you know so, yeah, I was quite a 0:03:39.681 --> 0:03:42.281 livature and it was a good learning experience structure and 0:03:42.361 --> 0:03:45.601 organization and you're influencing others, right, albeit I was only 0:03:45.641 --> 0:03:47.961 twenty one. I had to be organized, well planned and 0:03:48.161 --> 0:03:51.601 well fought out for those kids and it was wonderful experience. 0:03:51.681 --> 0:03:53.041 And I did it for twelve months and then m'd 0:03:53.081 --> 0:03:55.001 be league went full time. So then I went and 0:03:55.041 --> 0:03:57.521 played for six years or seven years where I was 0:03:57.561 --> 0:03:59.481 as a full time professional for me play them. 0:03:59.561 --> 0:04:01.281 Yeah, so it was quite a natural progression to then 0:04:01.361 --> 0:04:03.241 move into coaching, giving you background. 0:04:03.401 --> 0:04:06.880 Yeah, it was because after retire finished playing footy over 0:04:06.881 --> 0:04:10.321 in the UK professionally, and then I came back and 0:04:10.321 --> 0:04:12.121 I was a school teacher in Brisbane. I did a 0:04:12.241 --> 0:04:15.281 Master's of Education whilst I was teaching and then got 0:04:15.441 --> 0:04:18.721 Uportune to work at the University of Southern quaysiand because 0:04:18.721 --> 0:04:21.521 a lot of things are very transferable from teaching and 0:04:21.601 --> 0:04:22.001 the coach. 0:04:22.161 --> 0:04:24.721 Yeah right, So growing up you talk about obviously you 0:04:24.721 --> 0:04:27.241 had a lot of positive influences in your life through that. 0:04:27.281 --> 0:04:29.200 Who was kind of your inspiration growing up? Was it 0:04:29.201 --> 0:04:31.201 someone in your family or was it someone in the 0:04:31.201 --> 0:04:32.041 football community. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.841 Very much my dad. Mom and dad had me very young. 0:04:34.921 --> 0:04:36.761 Dad is eight a m m. Seventeen. I'm a lot 0:04:36.841 --> 0:04:40.001 older than my younger brother and younger sister. So dad 0:04:40.081 --> 0:04:42.601 is very much my role model and some of them 0:04:42.601 --> 0:04:44.801 looked up to as a young guy. And he actually 0:04:44.801 --> 0:04:47.681 was involved with a regional footy club, rock Kings and Brothers, 0:04:47.721 --> 0:04:49.721 and so a lot of my time as a young 0:04:49.761 --> 0:04:52.481 boy was around young men and being involved in that 0:04:52.521 --> 0:04:54.921 footy club and Salabi bull Boy on the weekends, and 0:04:55.081 --> 0:04:56.521 a lot of my life in your Rocky and growing 0:04:56.601 --> 0:04:59.881 ups revolved around being at the local footy club that 0:05:00.001 --> 0:05:01.880 so I spoked where I developed a love for rugbyla 0:05:02.001 --> 0:05:03.960 but all team sports, I think tank sports, they're so 0:05:04.081 --> 0:05:06.761 good and your learnd so many life lessons in team sports, 0:05:06.801 --> 0:05:08.201 and that was sort of my background. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.481 What about the other side of the coin, Because you're 0:05:10.561 --> 0:05:13.200 quite open and vulnerable when you talk about how you 0:05:13.201 --> 0:05:16.201 feel about things. Was that something that your dad granddad 0:05:16.201 --> 0:05:17.200 would like or not? Really? 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.321 Yeah? Not really? More an introvert than an extrovert and 0:05:21.001 --> 0:05:24.361 my granddad's yeah. But I suppose the older I've got 0:05:24.481 --> 0:05:26.801 and the more I've sort of learned and gone through 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.361 some really good times in my career and also some 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.520 really really tough times. I'm soon to reflect to a 0:05:31.521 --> 0:05:34.841 lot on that, and I like that idea of working 0:05:35.001 --> 0:05:37.881 on your own mental health and wellbeing and being vulnerable, 0:05:38.001 --> 0:05:40.321 and you know, if there's some learnings that I can 0:05:40.761 --> 0:05:43.121 share that can help others, even if it's just one 0:05:43.161 --> 0:05:45.081 little thing that I've laid out of the journey, I 0:05:45.121 --> 0:05:47.201 think it's really important to share some of those experiences. 0:05:47.201 --> 0:05:49.960 And that's probably why I'm quite outspoken around. Yes, some 0:05:50.001 --> 0:05:51.401 of the things in that space. 0:05:51.841 --> 0:05:53.481 I definitely want to touch more on that, but I 0:05:53.521 --> 0:05:55.241 want to sort of go to the world you're living 0:05:55.241 --> 0:05:57.361 in now, right, So if you go to a changing 0:05:57.401 --> 0:05:59.041 room that you've got to go and doing the breaks, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.001 and you look at when you were a player back 0:06:01.041 --> 0:06:03.401 in the day versus now, how you huddle with your team, 0:06:03.761 --> 0:06:05.881 what's changed? How do you speak to people, how do 0:06:05.921 --> 0:06:07.721 you motivate them from the way it happened when you 0:06:07.761 --> 0:06:08.801 were the Yeah, definitely. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:10.681 So I think when I played, it was very much 0:06:10.681 --> 0:06:13.081 coach directed, So it was all the coach talking. He 0:06:13.281 --> 0:06:15.881 was the sole person who would talk, and halftime as 0:06:15.921 --> 0:06:18.601 an example, these days. You know, I'm very much a 0:06:18.601 --> 0:06:21.081 collaborative type of leader. We have a couple of leaders 0:06:21.121 --> 0:06:22.961 in our team. The first thing I do at half 0:06:22.961 --> 0:06:24.921 time is get to those couple of leaders. What are 0:06:24.921 --> 0:06:26.801 they seeing, what are they feeling out there in the game. 0:06:27.161 --> 0:06:29.801 And then what we will do is we will meet 0:06:29.801 --> 0:06:32.200 in small groups. And you know there's some research in 0:06:32.241 --> 0:06:34.681 and around you know, smaller group and meetings you get 0:06:34.721 --> 0:06:37.921 more participation from people, whether it's in business world or 0:06:37.961 --> 0:06:40.241 in the sporting world. So we'll meet in smaller pods, 0:06:40.281 --> 0:06:42.361 we call them for a couple of minutes, and then 0:06:42.361 --> 0:06:44.640 we go to the bigger pod. And often in the 0:06:44.641 --> 0:06:47.721 bigger pod or the full tame environment. I'm trying to 0:06:47.801 --> 0:06:50.760 arror my messaging to two maybe three things absolutely taps 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.961 because a lot of research around retention, learning, etc. If 0:06:54.961 --> 0:06:57.361 you try and chase five rabbits again none, So it's 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.840 two three the absolute tops because altimately I can't remember 0:07:01.841 --> 0:07:03.401 too many in my halftime talks from when I was 0:07:03.401 --> 0:07:06.001 a pliant right because of a sarmonch information the coach, 0:07:06.041 --> 0:07:09.001 but all for ten twelve minutes straight, and so how 0:07:09.001 --> 0:07:11.441 can you attain that? So two or three really key 0:07:11.481 --> 0:07:13.681 punching messages is what I'm giving a players and enough 0:07:13.721 --> 0:07:16.321 time because you've got to remember there on a fatigue, yeah, 0:07:16.401 --> 0:07:18.401 which is not great for learning, allow them to have 0:07:18.401 --> 0:07:20.001 a breath to really sad at half time. 0:07:20.241 --> 0:07:22.601 Yeah, awesome, that's good tips there. So when you're in 0:07:22.641 --> 0:07:25.161 that situation in the room and you guys are losing, 0:07:25.241 --> 0:07:27.521 right and you're going into the last part, how do 0:07:27.561 --> 0:07:30.441 you balance that healthy amount of giving them a whip right, 0:07:30.441 --> 0:07:32.241 which I'm sure you have meaning in your time when 0:07:32.281 --> 0:07:34.041 you're playing right, come on, guys, you've got to win. 0:07:34.481 --> 0:07:36.801 It's really that balance between empathy and winning. How do 0:07:36.841 --> 0:07:38.441 you do that? I think that's fascinating. 0:07:38.761 --> 0:07:41.201 Yeah, it is really fas fat it's really interesting, and 0:07:41.201 --> 0:07:43.481 you're seeing probably given advance if you listen to the 0:07:43.481 --> 0:07:45.401 commentators on TV that I think if you've got a 0:07:45.441 --> 0:07:47.881 response from your team after halftime, as an example, if 0:07:47.881 --> 0:07:49.441 you're losing and then they come out and they play 0:07:49.481 --> 0:07:51.881 really well the first ten minutes, talk about Craig Bellamie 0:07:52.001 --> 0:07:54.561 or one of the coaches, you know, no holding back 0:07:54.601 --> 0:07:56.561 and screaming and shouting at a half time. It's not 0:07:56.561 --> 0:07:59.281 like that at all. I think you've probably only got one, 0:07:59.361 --> 0:08:03.641 maybe two situations where you're really abrupt with the players 0:08:03.681 --> 0:08:06.321 in a season, and in young people these days, they 0:08:06.361 --> 0:08:08.761 don't listen to that type of feedback. So it's very 0:08:08.801 --> 0:08:11.160 much problem solving. And I think one of the things 0:08:11.161 --> 0:08:13.721 that I think about deeply as a head coach is 0:08:13.961 --> 0:08:15.961 how can I help the players problem solve and so 0:08:16.161 --> 0:08:18.361 how we design our training week. For me, it's about 0:08:18.441 --> 0:08:20.881 designing problems for the players to solve a training during 0:08:20.881 --> 0:08:23.041 the week, because then that will transfer to game day 0:08:23.281 --> 0:08:25.161 and it's the same at half time. Can I help 0:08:25.161 --> 0:08:28.161 the players through some tactical solutions or can I help 0:08:28.161 --> 0:08:30.881 the players through some problems solved? Because no player goes 0:08:30.921 --> 0:08:33.121 you have their own Friday night and means to play poorly, 0:08:33.401 --> 0:08:35.521 one or two things have happened. Either they haven't got 0:08:35.561 --> 0:08:38.161 their week's preparation right from a mental point of view 0:08:38.241 --> 0:08:40.561 more so than physical. Is there being a stracturage in 0:08:40.561 --> 0:08:42.601 their week or interference in their week, Or they haven't 0:08:42.641 --> 0:08:45.841 mentally tuned into how they need to physically show up 0:08:45.881 --> 0:08:48.001 at the game. But no one goes there meaning to 0:08:48.041 --> 0:08:50.761 play poorly, and so what they need at times is 0:08:50.801 --> 0:08:53.161 a bit of an arm around the shoulder and go right. 0:08:53.361 --> 0:08:54.801 This is how we going to open up this next 0:08:54.801 --> 0:08:56.641 ten minutes and a half time, So really now and 0:08:56.681 --> 0:08:59.841 focus with the messaging. Actually give them some tactical solutions 0:08:59.921 --> 0:09:01.681 or some problem solving to help with that, and been 0:09:01.721 --> 0:09:04.361 able to solve those problems themselves. And there's more than 0:09:04.401 --> 0:09:06.961 one may are doing. And I think that's my way 0:09:07.041 --> 0:09:08.681 doing it, and that's you know, having been in a 0:09:08.761 --> 0:09:10.881 number of different change rooms as an assistant as a 0:09:10.881 --> 0:09:13.921 head coach, I feel that's most effective for my weapons 0:09:13.921 --> 0:09:14.441 as a coach. 0:09:14.761 --> 0:09:16.761 Yeah, do you have to actively keep your cool? Like, 0:09:16.801 --> 0:09:18.481 what do you like in terms of staying measured? 0:09:18.721 --> 0:09:20.601 I'm pretty good. As I said, you're probably at one 0:09:21.241 --> 0:09:23.721 in footy talk, it's one or too sprazy and then 0:09:23.761 --> 0:09:25.601 you give the flass. I've heard that, and look, I'm 0:09:25.601 --> 0:09:27.281 not sure how much they work anymore. I've got to 0:09:27.321 --> 0:09:29.521 start very much. When I applayed that's what would happen. 0:09:29.641 --> 0:09:32.001 You play poorly first half, you get a spread half time, 0:09:32.641 --> 0:09:36.321 and sometimes you'd get a rebounding performance and other times 0:09:36.401 --> 0:09:36.881 you wouldn't. 0:09:37.081 --> 0:09:39.161 And then when you like into the game obviously if 0:09:39.201 --> 0:09:41.241 you win, obviously you know it's a positive feeling. But 0:09:41.321 --> 0:09:43.161 at a game that you lose and a big game, right, 0:09:43.201 --> 0:09:44.601 So I remember I think it was was it last year? 0:09:44.601 --> 0:09:46.841 You guys got to the semifinals. So when you come 0:09:46.881 --> 0:09:49.601 out of that and you've lost, obviously there's huge amounts 0:09:49.601 --> 0:09:52.801 of disappointment. What as a leader, what's your role in 0:09:52.841 --> 0:09:55.081 that moment where you come off the field you've lost 0:09:55.081 --> 0:09:56.681 a semifinal? Where are you at? 0:09:56.801 --> 0:09:59.521 It's really interesting mine. You're certainly not raning and raving 0:09:59.521 --> 0:10:02.321 there like, ultimately, you can't change a result. It's about 0:10:02.321 --> 0:10:05.321 taking your breath. I talked specifically about that acade. We 0:10:05.401 --> 0:10:08.401 didn't debreech the game after that Tigler loss. What we 0:10:08.521 --> 0:10:10.761 did do was talk around what are the small ones 0:10:10.761 --> 0:10:13.121 we've had over the season. We had a big improvement 0:10:13.161 --> 0:10:15.801 in performance last year. So what we did was we 0:10:15.841 --> 0:10:17.721 spoke about, you know, what are some of the things 0:10:17.721 --> 0:10:19.441 we've had along the way, you know that's led us 0:10:19.441 --> 0:10:22.001 to get to this opportunity. Did we handle the opportunity? Well, 0:10:22.081 --> 0:10:24.041 now we did it, or we couldn't handle some chaos. 0:10:24.041 --> 0:10:26.481 And the chaos in that particular game was what's two 0:10:26.481 --> 0:10:28.441 players believe it or not after the first two tackles 0:10:28.441 --> 0:10:30.081 of the game, which is unheard of. You know, so 0:10:30.521 --> 0:10:33.761 we're down to fifteen after thirty five seconds of the game, 0:10:33.801 --> 0:10:36.001 and there is a big positional switch in one of them. 0:10:36.041 --> 0:10:38.601 So he was around, what are the little wins we've had, 0:10:38.761 --> 0:10:40.121 what do we need to do when we get back 0:10:40.121 --> 0:10:43.361 together over the pre season, and then just reflecting on 0:10:43.441 --> 0:10:45.441 some of the things that we have had them in 0:10:45.561 --> 0:10:47.641 due or succeeded in during the season. 0:10:47.841 --> 0:10:50.281 I've got two boys and they play sport and they're 0:10:50.321 --> 0:10:52.401 only young at the nine and eleven, and I noticed 0:10:52.401 --> 0:10:55.601 that if they're down like two goals in the first half, 0:10:55.921 --> 0:10:59.401 the resilience is just not present. Right, there's that emotional 0:10:59.481 --> 0:11:01.961 that just down, the slumping around. Now, I'm obviously we're 0:11:01.961 --> 0:11:03.681 talking about grown men on a football field. It's a 0:11:03.681 --> 0:11:06.081 bit different. But I do think though that I've seen 0:11:06.081 --> 0:11:09.161 those games, whether those huge margins quite early on, right, 0:11:09.561 --> 0:11:11.361 and I can see the looks on some of these 0:11:11.361 --> 0:11:13.841 players faces. Right, it's a long road to come back from. 0:11:13.881 --> 0:11:16.161 So in terms of resilience, which we all know is 0:11:16.241 --> 0:11:18.641 much more than just the grind, it's a mental game. 0:11:18.721 --> 0:11:21.321 It's so many things. What are the strategies that you 0:11:21.441 --> 0:11:24.721 use to help players bounce back from, like heavy gaps 0:11:24.801 --> 0:11:26.641 early on in games and things like that or a 0:11:26.721 --> 0:11:27.921 series of losses in a row. 0:11:28.241 --> 0:11:29.761 One of the first things we talk about is how 0:11:29.841 --> 0:11:32.161 we break that pattern, How do we break that momentum. 0:11:32.201 --> 0:11:35.001 So there's a couple of things tactically potentially that we 0:11:35.001 --> 0:11:37.081 would message down to the players. Well that players have 0:11:37.161 --> 0:11:39.121 practiced okay, So that's one thing. How do we break 0:11:39.201 --> 0:11:41.641 that pattern to break the momentum that the other team's got. 0:11:42.081 --> 0:11:44.241 Second to that is have a reset. So we do 0:11:44.321 --> 0:11:46.201 a lot of work with our mental skills coach Andrew 0:11:46.201 --> 0:11:49.201 may on hule resets, and so a huddle reset is 0:11:49.201 --> 0:11:50.961 you know, when you have a players together, you can 0:11:51.161 --> 0:11:53.721 clearly see whether that's been effective or not because the 0:11:53.801 --> 0:11:57.401 huddles that aren't affected, you'll see players by themselves. And 0:11:57.601 --> 0:12:01.281 what happens, generally speaking is players go quiet and things 0:12:01.321 --> 0:12:03.321 go against them, right, they go into their own head 0:12:03.441 --> 0:12:05.521 and there are only in a critic's talk. All that 0:12:05.561 --> 0:12:07.841 in a talk is taking over, so they go with 0:12:07.881 --> 0:12:10.521 you rather than connect to the group. So you have 0:12:10.561 --> 0:12:12.801 to be delivered and practice it. A huddle reset is 0:12:12.801 --> 0:12:14.521 something that we work really hard on. And I'll be 0:12:14.561 --> 0:12:16.361 person out and no we're not, but we worked really 0:12:16.401 --> 0:12:18.561 hard of the last two and a bit seasons to 0:12:18.681 --> 0:12:21.481 have a huddle reset, to drop what's happened. We can't 0:12:21.601 --> 0:12:24.121 change that. We're down eighteen L or twenty L or 0:12:24.241 --> 0:12:26.121 you know, whatever it is. The momentum is against this. 0:12:26.201 --> 0:12:28.321 But what we can do is break that pattern or 0:12:28.321 --> 0:12:30.361 break them momentum. Okay, these are the one or two 0:12:30.361 --> 0:12:31.721 things we need to do to try and break them 0:12:31.721 --> 0:12:33.841 a menum, but we need a huddle. Resets have a 0:12:33.921 --> 0:12:36.001 use of breath work or the use of something that 0:12:36.041 --> 0:12:38.041 we practice all the time. And a trigger can be 0:12:38.401 --> 0:12:40.961 something as simple as sprang border on your face. That's 0:12:40.961 --> 0:12:43.561 your trigger to reset your mind. Or it could be 0:12:43.601 --> 0:12:45.281 looking at a certain part of the ground. Look, some 0:12:45.361 --> 0:12:47.721 of our players look at a particular sign if they've 0:12:47.761 --> 0:12:50.081 made an error, because we don't play us to dwell 0:12:50.121 --> 0:12:52.241 on the air. What we're trying to do is get 0:12:52.241 --> 0:12:54.721 a competitive advantage by moving on quicker stuff after an 0:12:54.841 --> 0:12:57.641 error or after try. It's concerned, it's hard, it's difficult, 0:12:57.721 --> 0:12:58.881 it's easy. Everyone we're doing. 0:12:58.961 --> 0:13:00.961 I think that's really interesting. Like the splashing of water 0:13:01.001 --> 0:13:02.281 on your face for example. I mean, if you're in 0:13:02.321 --> 0:13:04.521 a corporate environment, you have a very heated situation, you 0:13:04.521 --> 0:13:06.041 could go to the bar through and quickly do that. Right, 0:13:06.121 --> 0:13:08.601 it's the reset you're talking about when you say breath work. 0:13:08.641 --> 0:13:10.041 What are you guys doing in that, because I think 0:13:10.041 --> 0:13:11.561 it's a really interesting space to reset. 0:13:11.681 --> 0:13:13.761 Well, we start every week in season with we call 0:13:13.841 --> 0:13:16.561 manly mindfulness and it's a ten minute start to our 0:13:16.601 --> 0:13:19.441 week where literally long on the floor and so our 0:13:19.441 --> 0:13:22.121 mintal skills coach or a head of performance, whoever's leading 0:13:22.121 --> 0:13:25.321 it that particular week, we will do some visualization and 0:13:25.361 --> 0:13:27.521 some breath work to start the week just to clear 0:13:27.601 --> 0:13:29.161 whether it was a wheel on the weekend or a 0:13:29.201 --> 0:13:32.281 loss on the weekend, just to start the week off, 0:13:32.481 --> 0:13:34.681 and there'll be your script that's right out alth. They'll 0:13:34.721 --> 0:13:36.161 be breathrough it and a lot of the breath workers 0:13:36.201 --> 0:13:38.961 around the box breathing. So four seconds in hold for 0:13:39.001 --> 0:13:42.641 four seconds, four seconds out half four seconds and repetitions 0:13:42.681 --> 0:13:45.201 of that as an example. Yeah, So we start our 0:13:45.241 --> 0:13:47.281 week with that mindfulness and it's almost look at a 0:13:47.321 --> 0:13:50.441 ritual rout taying to get rid of what's just happened, good, 0:13:50.441 --> 0:13:53.601 bad or indifferent and okay, now starting our new week 0:13:53.641 --> 0:13:55.681 and a fresh start. And this is the first thing 0:13:55.721 --> 0:13:57.561 we're going to do. So we do that at training 0:13:58.001 --> 0:14:00.841 on the field, before running out at halftime or before 0:14:00.881 --> 0:14:03.721 the game. You'll see a lot of teams now use breathing. 0:14:03.761 --> 0:14:05.801 You'll see it on the TV, and often that's just 0:14:05.881 --> 0:14:08.361 three deep breaths. We talk about fire and ice, right, 0:14:08.441 --> 0:14:11.441 So adding some ice, for instance, is if your og arounds, 0:14:11.481 --> 0:14:13.321 you know mentally, you know you're sort of in the 0:14:13.401 --> 0:14:16.241 change your ogre around yeah wid yeah, wide, and you 0:14:16.281 --> 0:14:17.921 don't want that, right, so you're going to add a 0:14:17.961 --> 0:14:20.041 little bit of ice, and your add ice you might 0:14:20.081 --> 0:14:22.761 be through some softer music or some breathing of the 0:14:22.761 --> 0:14:25.361 box breathing. Right, if you come to the ground you're 0:14:25.401 --> 0:14:28.281 not quite fight, have anything, you know, really struggling today 0:14:28.321 --> 0:14:30.841 to get there, we might add some fire. So fire 0:14:30.881 --> 0:14:32.921 would be a loud music we come up with certain ways, 0:14:32.961 --> 0:14:34.401 but there's also some breath work that we do and 0:14:34.441 --> 0:14:36.881 that we add fire. Right, So depending on what you need, 0:14:36.921 --> 0:14:39.641 we've tried to really add some individual tools to each 0:14:39.641 --> 0:14:42.601 player's memory skills toolbox, and what works for one might 0:14:42.641 --> 0:14:44.641 not work for the other, but we give them the 0:14:44.681 --> 0:14:47.641 opportunity to work out what works for each individual. So 0:14:47.681 --> 0:14:49.761 I think that's a big change that when I played 0:14:49.801 --> 0:14:51.761 twenty five years ago, one time I've. 0:14:51.641 --> 0:14:53.601 Been heard of, would you been in a big slap 0:14:53.641 --> 0:14:55.761 on the back and get out there. I actually think 0:14:55.801 --> 0:14:58.521 this is very clever. Obviously sport makes so much sense, 0:14:58.561 --> 0:15:01.481 but actually just think about a normal corporate office environment 0:15:01.521 --> 0:15:03.041 you get in the morning. Are we doing a sense 0:15:03.121 --> 0:15:04.681 check off? Do we need some fire ice here? 0:15:05.041 --> 0:15:05.281 You know? 0:15:05.401 --> 0:15:07.641 I mean different tactics. But I don't see why that. 0:15:08.241 --> 0:15:10.121 I do a lot with corporates and so on, and 0:15:10.281 --> 0:15:11.921 these are the types of things that I'm talking to 0:15:11.961 --> 0:15:14.761 them about, either individually or collectively. Lot, how can you 0:15:14.801 --> 0:15:17.081 have a better week? And a better week is okay, 0:15:17.081 --> 0:15:19.201 how I start my week or how I start I don't, 0:15:19.561 --> 0:15:21.521 But also a better week looks a lot for people 0:15:21.521 --> 0:15:24.041 who work in business how they finish their day. So 0:15:24.241 --> 0:15:27.641 down regulation because if you take the last conversation, which 0:15:27.641 --> 0:15:29.641 could have been a tough one or a negative one 0:15:29.641 --> 0:15:32.041 at work, if you take that home to your family 0:15:32.161 --> 0:15:34.481 or your partner or whatever it is, then that's not 0:15:34.521 --> 0:15:36.001 going to set up a good evening, you know, for 0:15:36.081 --> 0:15:38.081 you and your family. So how do you downrag at 0:15:38.081 --> 0:15:40.601 the end of your day? As an example, what I'll 0:15:40.641 --> 0:15:42.801 do to finish my day is I'll have a sauna 0:15:42.961 --> 0:15:45.841 and cold water measure to finish my day. So I 0:15:45.961 --> 0:15:49.041 got from head coach into being no longer you know 0:15:49.081 --> 0:15:51.041 in the business world, can probably do better and learn 0:15:51.081 --> 0:15:52.561 some lessons from professional Spirit. 0:15:52.561 --> 0:15:55.201 Great great advice. So when you look at your leadership 0:15:55.241 --> 0:15:58.681 career across coaching in particular, if you look at when 0:15:58.721 --> 0:16:01.601 you started until now, what are you most proud of 0:16:01.681 --> 0:16:04.001 in terms of what leadership skill You're like, you know, 0:16:04.041 --> 0:16:06.041 what I really leaned into that? And which one do 0:16:06.081 --> 0:16:07.441 you still feel like you've got work to do on. 0:16:07.801 --> 0:16:09.641 Well, it's a great question. I feel like one of 0:16:09.681 --> 0:16:11.321 the things that I've been able to do well, if 0:16:11.321 --> 0:16:15.001