1 00:00:05,681 --> 00:00:09,401 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO series. 2 00:00:09,641 --> 00:00:13,441 Speaker 1: This series we launch into the new world of brave leadership. 3 00:00:13,561 --> 00:00:18,041 Speaker 1: Happy people create happy businesses, true emotionally intelligent leadership. I've 4 00:00:18,081 --> 00:00:20,321 Speaker 1: picked up Vombit once on our about our fourth flight 5 00:00:20,601 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him, 6 00:00:22,641 --> 00:00:24,361 Speaker 1: I can do it. Now we will be joined by 7 00:00:24,401 --> 00:00:28,841 Speaker 1: culture and leadership experts and some superstar CEOs who will 8 00:00:28,881 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: courageously tell us the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,721 Speaker 1: Today I am joined by Anthony Seabolt. Now love me 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: as sporting personality, so I'm really thrilled to have you 11 00:00:39,281 --> 00:00:41,681 Speaker 1: here today. Anthony, you are the current head of the 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,921 Speaker 1: Manly Sea Eagles. I guess footy fans will know you, 13 00:00:44,961 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: but for people who aren't into footy, I guess your 14 00:00:47,561 --> 00:00:49,601 Speaker 1: background being that you've been in the innel for many 15 00:00:49,681 --> 00:00:53,521 Speaker 1: years now, including Melbourne Storm, South Sydney, Bristoe, Broncos, Queen's 16 00:00:53,521 --> 00:00:55,681 Speaker 1: and Instead of Origin team, and you also work for 17 00:00:55,721 --> 00:00:58,521 Speaker 1: England Rugby as an assistant coach as well. So welcome. 18 00:00:58,601 --> 00:00:59,161 Speaker 1: Nice to have you. 19 00:00:59,281 --> 00:01:01,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always good to chat at Thanks for having us. 20 00:01:01,401 --> 00:01:03,441 Speaker 1: I do love speaking to people in sport. Because I 21 00:01:03,441 --> 00:01:08,361 Speaker 1: think the similarity into leadership and team are just great analogies. 22 00:01:08,761 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: But the other reason I really wanted to talk to 23 00:01:10,681 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: you is because you seem to have this passion for leadership. 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: It's been long standing, actually greater than I've seen in 25 00:01:16,961 --> 00:01:19,481 Speaker 1: a lot of other people. Where did that all start from? 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,881 Speaker 2: I've always been curious, and I played just a professional 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,521 Speaker 2: rugby league myself where I was a young guy, but 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: I did a teaching degree and so by the time 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: I was twenty one before rugby league went full time 30 00:01:28,041 --> 00:01:31,121 Speaker 2: professionally and I was actually teaching sixth class, and so 31 00:01:31,321 --> 00:01:34,761 Speaker 2: it's a really good influencers in the education industry and 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,121 Speaker 2: good influencers around leadership principals and some deputy principles that 33 00:01:38,161 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: I had when I was a young guy. But also 34 00:01:41,081 --> 00:01:43,321 Speaker 2: when I finished playing over the English Super Leaguer came 35 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,281 Speaker 2: back and I was a teacher and then a university 36 00:01:45,441 --> 00:01:47,721 Speaker 2: lecturer that I had a great senior lecturer there. So 37 00:01:48,001 --> 00:01:50,201 Speaker 2: I think a lot of sort of that leadership passion 38 00:01:50,241 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: came from the back of really good role modeling from others. 39 00:01:53,001 --> 00:01:56,281 Speaker 2: And then obviously I've sort of graduated from one level 40 00:01:56,281 --> 00:01:58,761 Speaker 2: to the neccsent coach over a long period of time, 41 00:01:58,801 --> 00:02:01,801 Speaker 2: I've sort of had experiences with some fantastic leaders in 42 00:02:01,841 --> 00:02:04,841 Speaker 2: the sporting industry, and then through my curiosity, I've actually 43 00:02:04,841 --> 00:02:07,601 Speaker 2: been able to spend time with some of the best 44 00:02:07,881 --> 00:02:10,641 Speaker 2: leaders in the business world as well, including one recently 45 00:02:10,641 --> 00:02:13,161 Speaker 2: with the Conwell Banksy Matt Kind and I've got a 46 00:02:13,161 --> 00:02:15,481 Speaker 2: good relationship with Matt, so we spent a favorite of 47 00:02:15,561 --> 00:02:17,641 Speaker 2: time together in the last of the twelve sixteen months. 48 00:02:17,841 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome. So being a teacher was what you wanted 49 00:02:19,881 --> 00:02:20,761 Speaker 1: to do when you're growing up. 50 00:02:21,001 --> 00:02:23,281 Speaker 2: He was interesting. I came out of Central Queens ad 51 00:02:23,281 --> 00:02:25,441 Speaker 2: and I was recruited by President Broncards as a seventeen 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,001 Speaker 2: year old. So I just finished boarding school. A squad 53 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:29,801 Speaker 2: shatter at boarding school, I got to say, like, you know, 54 00:02:29,881 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: as an all boys boarding school in regional Central Queens 55 00:02:32,441 --> 00:02:34,441 Speaker 2: and and I came down and signed for the Broncos. 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,201 Speaker 2: Now in those days, this is the early nineties, so 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,681 Speaker 2: I came down in ninety ninety two or seventeen. Rugby 58 00:02:39,761 --> 00:02:42,401 Speaker 2: league was in full time evan at the Broncos level. 59 00:02:42,441 --> 00:02:45,001 Speaker 2: We see on TV all those guys would have jobs 60 00:02:45,121 --> 00:02:48,201 Speaker 2: or studying or apprenticeships, and then we were trained of 61 00:02:48,201 --> 00:02:50,321 Speaker 2: an afternoon you'd see the guys on the TV on 62 00:02:50,361 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: the weekend. So came down and one of the key 63 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,481 Speaker 2: staff there, the broncos Connel. He's no longer with us, 64 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,481 Speaker 2: he's passed away, but he was a legendary figure in 65 00:02:57,641 --> 00:03:00,321 Speaker 2: education and Raugbid League in Queens and he really encouraged 66 00:03:00,401 --> 00:03:02,041 Speaker 2: me to do a teaching degree and he said, look, 67 00:03:02,081 --> 00:03:04,121 Speaker 2: wherever you go in the world, it'll always be works 68 00:03:04,121 --> 00:03:05,921 Speaker 2: the teacher and if it's not teaching that you do, 69 00:03:06,041 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: it all be a really good grounding. So he influenced 70 00:03:08,721 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: me then. But it's almost twenty one, believe it or not. 71 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,321 Speaker 2: I was teaching year six. 72 00:03:12,481 --> 00:03:14,081 Speaker 1: What was that like? Teaching year six? 73 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: It was really interesting because you know, as a twenty 74 00:03:16,201 --> 00:03:17,801 Speaker 2: one year old, like I think back on a twenty 75 00:03:17,841 --> 00:03:20,521 Speaker 2: one year old self, cannot believe or I had a 76 00:03:20,561 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: class of twenty five plus hits. Because we'd play away 77 00:03:24,281 --> 00:03:26,721 Speaker 2: in Sydney or wherever we would play and then on 78 00:03:26,761 --> 00:03:28,721 Speaker 2: five back Sunday night and you'd be in the classroom 79 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,721 Speaker 2: on a Monday morning. It was different. It was different 80 00:03:30,761 --> 00:03:32,121 Speaker 2: for a twenty one year old because I was still 81 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:33,201 Speaker 2: getting to know myself. 82 00:03:33,721 --> 00:03:36,081 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was on Kenticky too. Its then and you 83 00:03:36,161 --> 00:03:37,441 Speaker 1: were teaching in classrooms. 84 00:03:37,601 --> 00:03:39,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know so, yeah, I was quite a 85 00:03:39,681 --> 00:03:42,281 Speaker 2: livature and it was a good learning experience structure and 86 00:03:42,361 --> 00:03:45,601 Speaker 2: organization and you're influencing others, right, albeit I was only 87 00:03:45,641 --> 00:03:47,961 Speaker 2: twenty one. I had to be organized, well planned and 88 00:03:48,161 --> 00:03:51,601 Speaker 2: well fought out for those kids and it was wonderful experience. 89 00:03:51,681 --> 00:03:53,041 Speaker 2: And I did it for twelve months and then m'd 90 00:03:53,081 --> 00:03:55,001 Speaker 2: be league went full time. So then I went and 91 00:03:55,041 --> 00:03:57,521 Speaker 2: played for six years or seven years where I was 92 00:03:57,561 --> 00:03:59,481 Speaker 2: as a full time professional for me play them. 93 00:03:59,561 --> 00:04:01,281 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was quite a natural progression to then 94 00:04:01,361 --> 00:04:03,241 Speaker 1: move into coaching, giving you background. 95 00:04:03,401 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was because after retire finished playing footy over 96 00:04:06,881 --> 00:04:10,321 Speaker 2: in the UK professionally, and then I came back and 97 00:04:10,321 --> 00:04:12,121 Speaker 2: I was a school teacher in Brisbane. I did a 98 00:04:12,241 --> 00:04:15,281 Speaker 2: Master's of Education whilst I was teaching and then got 99 00:04:15,441 --> 00:04:18,721 Speaker 2: Uportune to work at the University of Southern quaysiand because 100 00:04:18,721 --> 00:04:21,521 Speaker 2: a lot of things are very transferable from teaching and 101 00:04:21,601 --> 00:04:22,001 Speaker 2: the coach. 102 00:04:22,161 --> 00:04:24,721 Speaker 1: Yeah right, So growing up you talk about obviously you 103 00:04:24,721 --> 00:04:27,241 Speaker 1: had a lot of positive influences in your life through that. 104 00:04:27,281 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Who was kind of your inspiration growing up? Was it 105 00:04:29,201 --> 00:04:31,201 Speaker 1: someone in your family or was it someone in the 106 00:04:31,201 --> 00:04:32,041 Speaker 1: football community. 107 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,841 Speaker 2: Very much my dad. Mom and dad had me very young. 108 00:04:34,921 --> 00:04:36,761 Speaker 2: Dad is eight a m m. Seventeen. I'm a lot 109 00:04:36,841 --> 00:04:40,001 Speaker 2: older than my younger brother and younger sister. So dad 110 00:04:40,081 --> 00:04:42,601 Speaker 2: is very much my role model and some of them 111 00:04:42,601 --> 00:04:44,801 Speaker 2: looked up to as a young guy. And he actually 112 00:04:44,801 --> 00:04:47,681 Speaker 2: was involved with a regional footy club, rock Kings and Brothers, 113 00:04:47,721 --> 00:04:49,721 Speaker 2: and so a lot of my time as a young 114 00:04:49,761 --> 00:04:52,481 Speaker 2: boy was around young men and being involved in that 115 00:04:52,521 --> 00:04:54,921 Speaker 2: footy club and Salabi bull Boy on the weekends, and 116 00:04:55,081 --> 00:04:56,521 Speaker 2: a lot of my life in your Rocky and growing 117 00:04:56,601 --> 00:04:59,881 Speaker 2: ups revolved around being at the local footy club that 118 00:05:00,001 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: so I spoked where I developed a love for rugbyla 119 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: but all team sports, I think tank sports, they're so 120 00:05:04,081 --> 00:05:06,761 Speaker 2: good and your learnd so many life lessons in team sports, 121 00:05:06,801 --> 00:05:08,201 Speaker 2: and that was sort of my background. 122 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,481 Speaker 1: What about the other side of the coin, Because you're 123 00:05:10,561 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: quite open and vulnerable when you talk about how you 124 00:05:13,201 --> 00:05:16,201 Speaker 1: feel about things. Was that something that your dad granddad 125 00:05:16,201 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: would like or not? Really? 126 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,321 Speaker 2: Yeah? Not really? More an introvert than an extrovert and 127 00:05:21,001 --> 00:05:24,361 Speaker 2: my granddad's yeah. But I suppose the older I've got 128 00:05:24,481 --> 00:05:26,801 Speaker 2: and the more I've sort of learned and gone through 129 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,361 Speaker 2: some really good times in my career and also some 130 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: really really tough times. I'm soon to reflect to a 131 00:05:31,521 --> 00:05:34,841 Speaker 2: lot on that, and I like that idea of working 132 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:37,881 Speaker 2: on your own mental health and wellbeing and being vulnerable, 133 00:05:38,001 --> 00:05:40,321 Speaker 2: and you know, if there's some learnings that I can 134 00:05:40,761 --> 00:05:43,121 Speaker 2: share that can help others, even if it's just one 135 00:05:43,161 --> 00:05:45,081 Speaker 2: little thing that I've laid out of the journey, I 136 00:05:45,121 --> 00:05:47,201 Speaker 2: think it's really important to share some of those experiences. 137 00:05:47,201 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: And that's probably why I'm quite outspoken around. Yes, some 138 00:05:50,001 --> 00:05:51,401 Speaker 2: of the things in that space. 139 00:05:51,841 --> 00:05:53,481 Speaker 1: I definitely want to touch more on that, but I 140 00:05:53,521 --> 00:05:55,241 Speaker 1: want to sort of go to the world you're living 141 00:05:55,241 --> 00:05:57,361 Speaker 1: in now, right, So if you go to a changing 142 00:05:57,401 --> 00:05:59,041 Speaker 1: room that you've got to go and doing the breaks, 143 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,001 Speaker 1: and you look at when you were a player back 144 00:06:01,041 --> 00:06:03,401 Speaker 1: in the day versus now, how you huddle with your team, 145 00:06:03,761 --> 00:06:05,881 Speaker 1: what's changed? How do you speak to people, how do 146 00:06:05,921 --> 00:06:07,721 Speaker 1: you motivate them from the way it happened when you 147 00:06:07,761 --> 00:06:08,801 Speaker 1: were the Yeah, definitely. 148 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,681 Speaker 2: So I think when I played, it was very much 149 00:06:10,681 --> 00:06:13,081 Speaker 2: coach directed, So it was all the coach talking. He 150 00:06:13,281 --> 00:06:15,881 Speaker 2: was the sole person who would talk, and halftime as 151 00:06:15,921 --> 00:06:18,601 Speaker 2: an example, these days. You know, I'm very much a 152 00:06:18,601 --> 00:06:21,081 Speaker 2: collaborative type of leader. We have a couple of leaders 153 00:06:21,121 --> 00:06:22,961 Speaker 2: in our team. The first thing I do at half 154 00:06:22,961 --> 00:06:24,921 Speaker 2: time is get to those couple of leaders. What are 155 00:06:24,921 --> 00:06:26,801 Speaker 2: they seeing, what are they feeling out there in the game. 156 00:06:27,161 --> 00:06:29,801 Speaker 2: And then what we will do is we will meet 157 00:06:29,801 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: in small groups. And you know there's some research in 158 00:06:32,241 --> 00:06:34,681 Speaker 2: and around you know, smaller group and meetings you get 159 00:06:34,721 --> 00:06:37,921 Speaker 2: more participation from people, whether it's in business world or 160 00:06:37,961 --> 00:06:40,241 Speaker 2: in the sporting world. So we'll meet in smaller pods, 161 00:06:40,281 --> 00:06:42,361 Speaker 2: we call them for a couple of minutes, and then 162 00:06:42,361 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: we go to the bigger pod. And often in the 163 00:06:44,641 --> 00:06:47,721 Speaker 2: bigger pod or the full tame environment. I'm trying to 164 00:06:47,801 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: arror my messaging to two maybe three things absolutely taps 165 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,961 Speaker 2: because a lot of research around retention, learning, etc. If 166 00:06:54,961 --> 00:06:57,361 Speaker 2: you try and chase five rabbits again none, So it's 167 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: two three the absolute tops because altimately I can't remember 168 00:07:01,841 --> 00:07:03,401 Speaker 2: too many in my halftime talks from when I was 169 00:07:03,401 --> 00:07:06,001 Speaker 2: a pliant right because of a sarmonch information the coach, 170 00:07:06,041 --> 00:07:09,001 Speaker 2: but all for ten twelve minutes straight, and so how 171 00:07:09,001 --> 00:07:11,441 Speaker 2: can you attain that? So two or three really key 172 00:07:11,481 --> 00:07:13,681 Speaker 2: punching messages is what I'm giving a players and enough 173 00:07:13,721 --> 00:07:16,321 Speaker 2: time because you've got to remember there on a fatigue, yeah, 174 00:07:16,401 --> 00:07:18,401 Speaker 2: which is not great for learning, allow them to have 175 00:07:18,401 --> 00:07:20,001 Speaker 2: a breath to really sad at half time. 176 00:07:20,241 --> 00:07:22,601 Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, that's good tips there. So when you're in 177 00:07:22,641 --> 00:07:25,161 Speaker 1: that situation in the room and you guys are losing, 178 00:07:25,241 --> 00:07:27,521 Speaker 1: right and you're going into the last part, how do 179 00:07:27,561 --> 00:07:30,441 Speaker 1: you balance that healthy amount of giving them a whip right, 180 00:07:30,441 --> 00:07:32,241 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you have meaning in your time when 181 00:07:32,281 --> 00:07:34,041 Speaker 1: you're playing right, come on, guys, you've got to win. 182 00:07:34,481 --> 00:07:36,801 Speaker 1: It's really that balance between empathy and winning. How do 183 00:07:36,841 --> 00:07:38,441 Speaker 1: you do that? I think that's fascinating. 184 00:07:38,761 --> 00:07:41,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really fas fat it's really interesting, and 185 00:07:41,201 --> 00:07:43,481 Speaker 2: you're seeing probably given advance if you listen to the 186 00:07:43,481 --> 00:07:45,401 Speaker 2: commentators on TV that I think if you've got a 187 00:07:45,441 --> 00:07:47,881 Speaker 2: response from your team after halftime, as an example, if 188 00:07:47,881 --> 00:07:49,441 Speaker 2: you're losing and then they come out and they play 189 00:07:49,481 --> 00:07:51,881 Speaker 2: really well the first ten minutes, talk about Craig Bellamie 190 00:07:52,001 --> 00:07:54,561 Speaker 2: or one of the coaches, you know, no holding back 191 00:07:54,601 --> 00:07:56,561 Speaker 2: and screaming and shouting at a half time. It's not 192 00:07:56,561 --> 00:07:59,281 Speaker 2: like that at all. I think you've probably only got one, 193 00:07:59,361 --> 00:08:03,641 Speaker 2: maybe two situations where you're really abrupt with the players 194 00:08:03,681 --> 00:08:06,321 Speaker 2: in a season, and in young people these days, they 195 00:08:06,361 --> 00:08:08,761 Speaker 2: don't listen to that type of feedback. So it's very 196 00:08:08,801 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: much problem solving. And I think one of the things 197 00:08:11,161 --> 00:08:13,721 Speaker 2: that I think about deeply as a head coach is 198 00:08:13,961 --> 00:08:15,961 Speaker 2: how can I help the players problem solve and so 199 00:08:16,161 --> 00:08:18,361 Speaker 2: how we design our training week. For me, it's about 200 00:08:18,441 --> 00:08:20,881 Speaker 2: designing problems for the players to solve a training during 201 00:08:20,881 --> 00:08:23,041 Speaker 2: the week, because then that will transfer to game day 202 00:08:23,281 --> 00:08:25,161 Speaker 2: and it's the same at half time. Can I help 203 00:08:25,161 --> 00:08:28,161 Speaker 2: the players through some tactical solutions or can I help 204 00:08:28,161 --> 00:08:30,881 Speaker 2: the players through some problems solved? Because no player goes 205 00:08:30,921 --> 00:08:33,121 Speaker 2: you have their own Friday night and means to play poorly, 206 00:08:33,401 --> 00:08:35,521 Speaker 2: one or two things have happened. Either they haven't got 207 00:08:35,561 --> 00:08:38,161 Speaker 2: their week's preparation right from a mental point of view 208 00:08:38,241 --> 00:08:40,561 Speaker 2: more so than physical. Is there being a stracturage in 209 00:08:40,561 --> 00:08:42,601 Speaker 2: their week or interference in their week, Or they haven't 210 00:08:42,641 --> 00:08:45,841 Speaker 2: mentally tuned into how they need to physically show up 211 00:08:45,881 --> 00:08:48,001 Speaker 2: at the game. But no one goes there meaning to 212 00:08:48,041 --> 00:08:50,761 Speaker 2: play poorly, and so what they need at times is 213 00:08:50,801 --> 00:08:53,161 Speaker 2: a bit of an arm around the shoulder and go right. 214 00:08:53,361 --> 00:08:54,801 Speaker 2: This is how we going to open up this next 215 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:56,641 Speaker 2: ten minutes and a half time, So really now and 216 00:08:56,681 --> 00:08:59,841 Speaker 2: focus with the messaging. Actually give them some tactical solutions 217 00:08:59,921 --> 00:09:01,681 Speaker 2: or some problem solving to help with that, and been 218 00:09:01,721 --> 00:09:04,361 Speaker 2: able to solve those problems themselves. And there's more than 219 00:09:04,401 --> 00:09:06,961 Speaker 2: one may are doing. And I think that's my way 220 00:09:07,041 --> 00:09:08,681 Speaker 2: doing it, and that's you know, having been in a 221 00:09:08,761 --> 00:09:10,881 Speaker 2: number of different change rooms as an assistant as a 222 00:09:10,881 --> 00:09:13,921 Speaker 2: head coach, I feel that's most effective for my weapons 223 00:09:13,921 --> 00:09:14,441 Speaker 2: as a coach. 224 00:09:14,761 --> 00:09:16,761 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have to actively keep your cool? Like, 225 00:09:16,801 --> 00:09:18,481 Speaker 1: what do you like in terms of staying measured? 226 00:09:18,721 --> 00:09:20,601 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good. As I said, you're probably at one 227 00:09:21,241 --> 00:09:23,721 Speaker 2: in footy talk, it's one or too sprazy and then 228 00:09:23,761 --> 00:09:25,601 Speaker 2: you give the flass. I've heard that, and look, I'm 229 00:09:25,601 --> 00:09:27,281 Speaker 2: not sure how much they work anymore. I've got to 230 00:09:27,321 --> 00:09:29,521 Speaker 2: start very much. When I applayed that's what would happen. 231 00:09:29,641 --> 00:09:32,001 Speaker 2: You play poorly first half, you get a spread half time, 232 00:09:32,641 --> 00:09:36,321 Speaker 2: and sometimes you'd get a rebounding performance and other times 233 00:09:36,401 --> 00:09:36,881 Speaker 2: you wouldn't. 234 00:09:37,081 --> 00:09:39,161 Speaker 1: And then when you like into the game obviously if 235 00:09:39,201 --> 00:09:41,241 Speaker 1: you win, obviously you know it's a positive feeling. But 236 00:09:41,321 --> 00:09:43,161 Speaker 1: at a game that you lose and a big game, right, 237 00:09:43,201 --> 00:09:44,601 Speaker 1: So I remember I think it was was it last year? 238 00:09:44,601 --> 00:09:46,841 Speaker 1: You guys got to the semifinals. So when you come 239 00:09:46,881 --> 00:09:49,601 Speaker 1: out of that and you've lost, obviously there's huge amounts 240 00:09:49,601 --> 00:09:52,801 Speaker 1: of disappointment. What as a leader, what's your role in 241 00:09:52,841 --> 00:09:55,081 Speaker 1: that moment where you come off the field you've lost 242 00:09:55,081 --> 00:09:56,681 Speaker 1: a semifinal? Where are you at? 243 00:09:56,801 --> 00:09:59,521 Speaker 2: It's really interesting mine. You're certainly not raning and raving 244 00:09:59,521 --> 00:10:02,321 Speaker 2: there like, ultimately, you can't change a result. It's about 245 00:10:02,321 --> 00:10:05,321 Speaker 2: taking your breath. I talked specifically about that acade. We 246 00:10:05,401 --> 00:10:08,401 Speaker 2: didn't debreech the game after that Tigler loss. What we 247 00:10:08,521 --> 00:10:10,761 Speaker 2: did do was talk around what are the small ones 248 00:10:10,761 --> 00:10:13,121 Speaker 2: we've had over the season. We had a big improvement 249 00:10:13,161 --> 00:10:15,801 Speaker 2: in performance last year. So what we did was we 250 00:10:15,841 --> 00:10:17,721 Speaker 2: spoke about, you know, what are some of the things 251 00:10:17,721 --> 00:10:19,441 Speaker 2: we've had along the way, you know that's led us 252 00:10:19,441 --> 00:10:22,001 Speaker 2: to get to this opportunity. Did we handle the opportunity? Well, 253 00:10:22,081 --> 00:10:24,041 Speaker 2: now we did it, or we couldn't handle some chaos. 254 00:10:24,041 --> 00:10:26,481 Speaker 2: And the chaos in that particular game was what's two 255 00:10:26,481 --> 00:10:28,441 Speaker 2: players believe it or not after the first two tackles 256 00:10:28,441 --> 00:10:30,081 Speaker 2: of the game, which is unheard of. You know, so 257 00:10:30,521 --> 00:10:33,761 Speaker 2: we're down to fifteen after thirty five seconds of the game, 258 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:36,001 Speaker 2: and there is a big positional switch in one of them. 259 00:10:36,041 --> 00:10:38,601 Speaker 2: So he was around, what are the little wins we've had, 260 00:10:38,761 --> 00:10:40,121 Speaker 2: what do we need to do when we get back 261 00:10:40,121 --> 00:10:43,361 Speaker 2: together over the pre season, and then just reflecting on 262 00:10:43,441 --> 00:10:45,441 Speaker 2: some of the things that we have had them in 263 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:47,641 Speaker 2: due or succeeded in during the season. 264 00:10:47,841 --> 00:10:50,281 Speaker 1: I've got two boys and they play sport and they're 265 00:10:50,321 --> 00:10:52,401 Speaker 1: only young at the nine and eleven, and I noticed 266 00:10:52,401 --> 00:10:55,601 Speaker 1: that if they're down like two goals in the first half, 267 00:10:55,921 --> 00:10:59,401 Speaker 1: the resilience is just not present. Right, there's that emotional 268 00:10:59,481 --> 00:11:01,961 Speaker 1: that just down, the slumping around. Now, I'm obviously we're 269 00:11:01,961 --> 00:11:03,681 Speaker 1: talking about grown men on a football field. It's a 270 00:11:03,681 --> 00:11:06,081 Speaker 1: bit different. But I do think though that I've seen 271 00:11:06,081 --> 00:11:09,161 Speaker 1: those games, whether those huge margins quite early on, right, 272 00:11:09,561 --> 00:11:11,361 Speaker 1: and I can see the looks on some of these 273 00:11:11,361 --> 00:11:13,841 Speaker 1: players faces. Right, it's a long road to come back from. 274 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:16,161 Speaker 1: So in terms of resilience, which we all know is 275 00:11:16,241 --> 00:11:18,641 Speaker 1: much more than just the grind, it's a mental game. 276 00:11:18,721 --> 00:11:21,321 Speaker 1: It's so many things. What are the strategies that you 277 00:11:21,441 --> 00:11:24,721 Speaker 1: use to help players bounce back from, like heavy gaps 278 00:11:24,801 --> 00:11:26,641 Speaker 1: early on in games and things like that or a 279 00:11:26,721 --> 00:11:27,921 Speaker 1: series of losses in a row. 280 00:11:28,241 --> 00:11:29,761 Speaker 2: One of the first things we talk about is how 281 00:11:29,841 --> 00:11:32,161 Speaker 2: we break that pattern, How do we break that momentum. 282 00:11:32,201 --> 00:11:35,001 Speaker 2: So there's a couple of things tactically potentially that we 283 00:11:35,001 --> 00:11:37,081 Speaker 2: would message down to the players. Well that players have 284 00:11:37,161 --> 00:11:39,121 Speaker 2: practiced okay, So that's one thing. How do we break 285 00:11:39,201 --> 00:11:41,641 Speaker 2: that pattern to break the momentum that the other team's got. 286 00:11:42,081 --> 00:11:44,241 Speaker 2: Second to that is have a reset. So we do 287 00:11:44,321 --> 00:11:46,201 Speaker 2: a lot of work with our mental skills coach Andrew 288 00:11:46,201 --> 00:11:49,201 Speaker 2: may on hule resets, and so a huddle reset is 289 00:11:49,201 --> 00:11:50,961 Speaker 2: you know, when you have a players together, you can 290 00:11:51,161 --> 00:11:53,721 Speaker 2: clearly see whether that's been effective or not because the 291 00:11:53,801 --> 00:11:57,401 Speaker 2: huddles that aren't affected, you'll see players by themselves. And 292 00:11:57,601 --> 00:12:01,281 Speaker 2: what happens, generally speaking is players go quiet and things 293 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:03,321 Speaker 2: go against them, right, they go into their own head 294 00:12:03,441 --> 00:12:05,521 Speaker 2: and there are only in a critic's talk. All that 295 00:12:05,561 --> 00:12:07,841 Speaker 2: in a talk is taking over, so they go with 296 00:12:07,881 --> 00:12:10,521 Speaker 2: you rather than connect to the group. So you have 297 00:12:10,561 --> 00:12:12,801 Speaker 2: to be delivered and practice it. A huddle reset is 298 00:12:12,801 --> 00:12:14,521 Speaker 2: something that we work really hard on. And I'll be 299 00:12:14,561 --> 00:12:16,361 Speaker 2: person out and no we're not, but we worked really 300 00:12:16,401 --> 00:12:18,561 Speaker 2: hard of the last two and a bit seasons to 301 00:12:18,681 --> 00:12:21,481 Speaker 2: have a huddle reset, to drop what's happened. We can't 302 00:12:21,601 --> 00:12:24,121 Speaker 2: change that. We're down eighteen L or twenty L or 303 00:12:24,241 --> 00:12:26,121 Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is. The momentum is against this. 304 00:12:26,201 --> 00:12:28,321 Speaker 2: But what we can do is break that pattern or 305 00:12:28,321 --> 00:12:30,361 Speaker 2: break them momentum. Okay, these are the one or two 306 00:12:30,361 --> 00:12:31,721 Speaker 2: things we need to do to try and break them 307 00:12:31,721 --> 00:12:33,841 Speaker 2: a menum, but we need a huddle. Resets have a 308 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:36,001 Speaker 2: use of breath work or the use of something that 309 00:12:36,041 --> 00:12:38,041 Speaker 2: we practice all the time. And a trigger can be 310 00:12:38,401 --> 00:12:40,961 Speaker 2: something as simple as sprang border on your face. That's 311 00:12:40,961 --> 00:12:43,561 Speaker 2: your trigger to reset your mind. Or it could be 312 00:12:43,601 --> 00:12:45,281 Speaker 2: looking at a certain part of the ground. Look, some 313 00:12:45,361 --> 00:12:47,721 Speaker 2: of our players look at a particular sign if they've 314 00:12:47,761 --> 00:12:50,081 Speaker 2: made an error, because we don't play us to dwell 315 00:12:50,121 --> 00:12:52,241 Speaker 2: on the air. What we're trying to do is get 316 00:12:52,241 --> 00:12:54,721 Speaker 2: a competitive advantage by moving on quicker stuff after an 317 00:12:54,841 --> 00:12:57,641 Speaker 2: error or after try. It's concerned, it's hard, it's difficult, 318 00:12:57,721 --> 00:12:58,881 Speaker 2: it's easy. Everyone we're doing. 319 00:12:58,961 --> 00:13:00,961 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting. Like the splashing of water 320 00:13:01,001 --> 00:13:02,281 Speaker 1: on your face for example. I mean, if you're in 321 00:13:02,321 --> 00:13:04,521 Speaker 1: a corporate environment, you have a very heated situation, you 322 00:13:04,521 --> 00:13:06,041 Speaker 1: could go to the bar through and quickly do that. Right, 323 00:13:06,121 --> 00:13:08,601 Speaker 1: it's the reset you're talking about when you say breath work. 324 00:13:08,641 --> 00:13:10,041 Speaker 1: What are you guys doing in that, because I think 325 00:13:10,041 --> 00:13:11,561 Speaker 1: it's a really interesting space to reset. 326 00:13:11,681 --> 00:13:13,761 Speaker 2: Well, we start every week in season with we call 327 00:13:13,841 --> 00:13:16,561 Speaker 2: manly mindfulness and it's a ten minute start to our 328 00:13:16,601 --> 00:13:19,441 Speaker 2: week where literally long on the floor and so our 329 00:13:19,441 --> 00:13:22,121 Speaker 2: mintal skills coach or a head of performance, whoever's leading 330 00:13:22,121 --> 00:13:25,321 Speaker 2: it that particular week, we will do some visualization and 331 00:13:25,361 --> 00:13:27,521 Speaker 2: some breath work to start the week just to clear 332 00:13:27,601 --> 00:13:29,161 Speaker 2: whether it was a wheel on the weekend or a 333 00:13:29,201 --> 00:13:32,281 Speaker 2: loss on the weekend, just to start the week off, 334 00:13:32,481 --> 00:13:34,681 Speaker 2: and there'll be your script that's right out alth. They'll 335 00:13:34,721 --> 00:13:36,161 Speaker 2: be breathrough it and a lot of the breath workers 336 00:13:36,201 --> 00:13:38,961 Speaker 2: around the box breathing. So four seconds in hold for 337 00:13:39,001 --> 00:13:42,641 Speaker 2: four seconds, four seconds out half four seconds and repetitions 338 00:13:42,681 --> 00:13:45,201 Speaker 2: of that as an example. Yeah, So we start our 339 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,281 Speaker 2: week with that mindfulness and it's almost look at a 340 00:13:47,321 --> 00:13:50,441 Speaker 2: ritual rout taying to get rid of what's just happened, good, 341 00:13:50,441 --> 00:13:53,601 Speaker 2: bad or indifferent and okay, now starting our new week 342 00:13:53,641 --> 00:13:55,681 Speaker 2: and a fresh start. And this is the first thing 343 00:13:55,721 --> 00:13:57,561 Speaker 2: we're going to do. So we do that at training 344 00:13:58,001 --> 00:14:00,841 Speaker 2: on the field, before running out at halftime or before 345 00:14:00,881 --> 00:14:03,721 Speaker 2: the game. You'll see a lot of teams now use breathing. 346 00:14:03,761 --> 00:14:05,801 Speaker 2: You'll see it on the TV, and often that's just 347 00:14:05,881 --> 00:14:08,361 Speaker 2: three deep breaths. We talk about fire and ice, right, 348 00:14:08,441 --> 00:14:11,441 Speaker 2: So adding some ice, for instance, is if your og arounds, 349 00:14:11,481 --> 00:14:13,321 Speaker 2: you know mentally, you know you're sort of in the 350 00:14:13,401 --> 00:14:16,241 Speaker 2: change your ogre around yeah wid yeah, wide, and you 351 00:14:16,281 --> 00:14:17,921 Speaker 2: don't want that, right, so you're going to add a 352 00:14:17,961 --> 00:14:20,041 Speaker 2: little bit of ice, and your add ice you might 353 00:14:20,081 --> 00:14:22,761 Speaker 2: be through some softer music or some breathing of the 354 00:14:22,761 --> 00:14:25,361 Speaker 2: box breathing. Right, if you come to the ground you're 355 00:14:25,401 --> 00:14:28,281 Speaker 2: not quite fight, have anything, you know, really struggling today 356 00:14:28,321 --> 00:14:30,841 Speaker 2: to get there, we might add some fire. So fire 357 00:14:30,881 --> 00:14:32,921 Speaker 2: would be a loud music we come up with certain ways, 358 00:14:32,961 --> 00:14:34,401 Speaker 2: but there's also some breath work that we do and 359 00:14:34,441 --> 00:14:36,881 Speaker 2: that we add fire. Right, So depending on what you need, 360 00:14:36,921 --> 00:14:39,641 Speaker 2: we've tried to really add some individual tools to each 361 00:14:39,641 --> 00:14:42,601 Speaker 2: player's memory skills toolbox, and what works for one might 362 00:14:42,641 --> 00:14:44,641 Speaker 2: not work for the other, but we give them the 363 00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:47,641 Speaker 2: opportunity to work out what works for each individual. So 364 00:14:47,681 --> 00:14:49,761 Speaker 2: I think that's a big change that when I played 365 00:14:49,801 --> 00:14:51,761 Speaker 2: twenty five years ago, one time I've. 366 00:14:51,641 --> 00:14:53,601 Speaker 1: Been heard of, would you been in a big slap 367 00:14:53,641 --> 00:14:55,761 Speaker 1: on the back and get out there. I actually think 368 00:14:55,801 --> 00:14:58,521 Speaker 1: this is very clever. Obviously sport makes so much sense, 369 00:14:58,561 --> 00:15:01,481 Speaker 1: but actually just think about a normal corporate office environment 370 00:15:01,521 --> 00:15:03,041 Speaker 1: you get in the morning. Are we doing a sense 371 00:15:03,121 --> 00:15:04,681 Speaker 1: check off? Do we need some fire ice here? 372 00:15:05,041 --> 00:15:05,281 Speaker 2: You know? 373 00:15:05,401 --> 00:15:07,641 Speaker 1: I mean different tactics. But I don't see why that. 374 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:10,121 Speaker 2: I do a lot with corporates and so on, and 375 00:15:10,281 --> 00:15:11,921 Speaker 2: these are the types of things that I'm talking to 376 00:15:11,961 --> 00:15:14,761 Speaker 2: them about, either individually or collectively. Lot, how can you 377 00:15:14,801 --> 00:15:17,081 Speaker 2: have a better week? And a better week is okay, 378 00:15:17,081 --> 00:15:19,201 Speaker 2: how I start my week or how I start I don't, 379 00:15:19,561 --> 00:15:21,521 Speaker 2: But also a better week looks a lot for people 380 00:15:21,521 --> 00:15:24,041 Speaker 2: who work in business how they finish their day. So 381 00:15:24,241 --> 00:15:27,641 Speaker 2: down regulation because if you take the last conversation, which 382 00:15:27,641 --> 00:15:29,641 Speaker 2: could have been a tough one or a negative one 383 00:15:29,641 --> 00:15:32,041 Speaker 2: at work, if you take that home to your family 384 00:15:32,161 --> 00:15:34,481 Speaker 2: or your partner or whatever it is, then that's not 385 00:15:34,521 --> 00:15:36,001 Speaker 2: going to set up a good evening, you know, for 386 00:15:36,081 --> 00:15:38,081 Speaker 2: you and your family. So how do you downrag at 387 00:15:38,081 --> 00:15:40,601 Speaker 2: the end of your day? As an example, what I'll 388 00:15:40,641 --> 00:15:42,801 Speaker 2: do to finish my day is I'll have a sauna 389 00:15:42,961 --> 00:15:45,841 Speaker 2: and cold water measure to finish my day. So I 390 00:15:45,961 --> 00:15:49,041 Speaker 2: got from head coach into being no longer you know 391 00:15:49,081 --> 00:15:51,041 Speaker 2: in the business world, can probably do better and learn 392 00:15:51,081 --> 00:15:52,561 Speaker 2: some lessons from professional Spirit. 393 00:15:52,561 --> 00:15:55,201 Speaker 1: Great great advice. So when you look at your leadership 394 00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:58,681 Speaker 1: career across coaching in particular, if you look at when 395 00:15:58,721 --> 00:16:01,601 Speaker 1: you started until now, what are you most proud of 396 00:16:01,681 --> 00:16:04,001 Speaker 1: in terms of what leadership skill You're like, you know, 397 00:16:04,041 --> 00:16:06,041 Speaker 1: what I really leaned into that? And which one do 398 00:16:06,081 --> 00:16:07,441 Speaker 1: you still feel like you've got work to do on. 399 00:16:07,801 --> 00:16:09,641 Speaker 2: Well, it's a great question. I feel like one of 400 00:16:09,681 --> 00:16:11,321 Speaker 2: the things that I've been able to do well, if 401 00:16:11,321 --> 00:16:15,001 Speaker 2: we're just talking this current experience, is really create belonging 402 00:16:15,041 --> 00:16:17,201 Speaker 2: and connection in our group. I'm really proud of that. 403 00:16:17,361 --> 00:16:19,161 Speaker 2: But we've had to work really hard on it. So 404 00:16:19,321 --> 00:16:22,361 Speaker 2: we do things like manly mindfulness, but we do can 405 00:16:22,441 --> 00:16:25,721 Speaker 2: fire chats where our head of wellbeing will have five 406 00:16:25,921 --> 00:16:28,241 Speaker 2: really difficult questions for a staff member or a player, 407 00:16:28,241 --> 00:16:30,041 Speaker 2: and we do that twice a week, and so we 408 00:16:30,121 --> 00:16:32,761 Speaker 2: have two people up at each session, so four people 409 00:16:32,761 --> 00:16:34,801 Speaker 2: a week. Well, you get to be vulnerable, you get 410 00:16:34,841 --> 00:16:38,161 Speaker 2: to share some stories, challenges and highlights that you've had 411 00:16:38,161 --> 00:16:40,281 Speaker 2: to endure or that you've succeeded in and so on. 412 00:16:40,401 --> 00:16:42,401 Speaker 2: So I'm really proud of that, and I'm really proud 413 00:16:42,441 --> 00:16:45,041 Speaker 2: of that you're wrong. We've got here. It's okay to 414 00:16:45,041 --> 00:16:48,681 Speaker 2: be vulnerable and it's okay to get something wrong. And 415 00:16:48,921 --> 00:16:51,521 Speaker 2: we've tried to work really hard on building that belonging 416 00:16:51,561 --> 00:16:53,601 Speaker 2: in that connection over the last two and a big years. 417 00:16:53,921 --> 00:16:55,601 Speaker 2: That's something that we've had to work really hard on 418 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:59,081 Speaker 2: because pride in myself coming there had been some challenges 419 00:16:59,081 --> 00:17:01,281 Speaker 2: for the group. So that's something i'm proud of. Something 420 00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:03,361 Speaker 2: that I've got wrong and made a mistake was my 421 00:17:03,481 --> 00:17:05,281 Speaker 2: time at the bront Goes. I tried to change too 422 00:17:05,361 --> 00:17:08,761 Speaker 2: much too quickly, Like I've got up there and they've 423 00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:11,001 Speaker 2: been doing certain things a certain way for probably the 424 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: best part of thirty years. And so I'm trying to 425 00:17:13,441 --> 00:17:16,201 Speaker 2: make some really really big changes. And I think if 426 00:17:16,241 --> 00:17:18,761 Speaker 2: I had a sat back observed a little bit more 427 00:17:18,761 --> 00:17:20,921 Speaker 2: as a leader going into the environment rather than God, 428 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,521 Speaker 2: this is what we're doing with ABCDG, I might have 429 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: just made one or two slight changes then observed, and 430 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:30,481 Speaker 2: then after the first twelve months I've been able to 431 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,801 Speaker 2: if I had more experience at a particular time might 432 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,081 Speaker 2: have been able to Okay, this is what we need 433 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,921 Speaker 2: to add to the program. I feel like I've done 434 00:17:35,921 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: that a whole bit better here this time. Yeah, you know, 435 00:17:38,721 --> 00:17:41,561 Speaker 2: the first child months was a lot of observing how 436 00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: do we build some psychological safety or belonging in connection 437 00:17:44,201 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: in the group? Less about exits and o's you know, 438 00:17:46,561 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: for me as a head coach. Now the assistant coaches 439 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: to do that. So that's some of the things I 440 00:17:50,681 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: feel like I've dune well now and some of the 441 00:17:52,521 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: lessons I've learned from the previous dram I was a 442 00:17:54,681 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 2: head coach. 443 00:17:55,521 --> 00:17:58,041 Speaker 1: That's awesome and great self awareness, right, So I think 444 00:17:58,041 --> 00:18:00,761 Speaker 1: what you're saying with Bron because sometimes is slow down. 445 00:18:01,001 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of the message to yourself as sometimes you 446 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,721 Speaker 1: don't need to go and improve yourself by changing everything. 447 00:18:04,761 --> 00:18:07,521 Speaker 1: It's just smaller steps. So, yeah, that's awesome. I love 448 00:18:07,561 --> 00:18:09,361 Speaker 1: the work that you're doing with a group. That's amazing, 449 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,161 Speaker 1: and I think culturally that must just have a huge impact. 450 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: I guess the challenge there is when you have movement 451 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:16,161 Speaker 1: and the team and players leave and so forth, does 452 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: that kind of upset the apple card a little bit? 453 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's always difficult. And the one thing I 454 00:18:20,481 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 2: think about when we allow players to go to another club, 455 00:18:23,561 --> 00:18:25,521 Speaker 2: it's an opportunity for that player. Like, if they're not 456 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,281 Speaker 2: getting the opportunity out club that they want or desire, 457 00:18:28,761 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: then I want them to go to another club, whether 458 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: it's here in Australia or over in England, to get 459 00:18:33,281 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: an opportunity. You know, I'll talk that explicitly to the guys. 460 00:18:36,201 --> 00:18:38,921 Speaker 2: You know, if we're you know, if we're allowing someone 461 00:18:38,961 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: to move on or we think someone's got a better opportunity, 462 00:18:41,521 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 2: I think that's great for them because we don't want 463 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,521 Speaker 2: them sitting here not really wanting to be here, or 464 00:18:46,561 --> 00:18:48,641 Speaker 2: not feeling like they're going to get an opportunity here. 465 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: You know, we want them to be here because I 466 00:18:50,761 --> 00:18:53,801 Speaker 2: feel like it's a great environment, they're getting better individually, 467 00:18:54,041 --> 00:18:56,241 Speaker 2: and they're a chance of playing first grade. But if 468 00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:58,481 Speaker 2: someone's not a chance of playing first grade here, I'd 469 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: rather help them find through their manager or help the 470 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: player individually find another opportunity that's better for them. I 471 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: think there's a right way to wrongwade to do that. 472 00:19:06,921 --> 00:19:08,521 Speaker 2: I haven't always got that right I'm going to say, 473 00:19:08,561 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: but I feel like the more experience I've got. It's 474 00:19:10,761 --> 00:19:13,201 Speaker 2: not about letting someone go or releasing someone because they're 475 00:19:13,201 --> 00:19:15,881 Speaker 2: not good enough. It's you're not quite getting an opportunity here. 476 00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,801 Speaker 2: Is there a better opportunity for you elsewhere? Because if 477 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: there is, then we'll help you get that opportunity or 478 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:24,201 Speaker 2: allow you to go to get that opportunity elsewhere. Yeah. 479 00:19:24,241 --> 00:19:26,321 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I love that. So look, I have to talk 480 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: a bit more about that period of time at the 481 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: Broncos because obviously it probably is one of the more 482 00:19:29,721 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: challenging periods or the most challenging period of your career, 483 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, from both obviously the challenges around the team 484 00:19:35,561 --> 00:19:37,281 Speaker 1: and coming in as coaching, but also that there's a 485 00:19:37,321 --> 00:19:39,521 Speaker 1: lot of stuff from a personal perspective and through the 486 00:19:39,561 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: media that you got put through. So how did you 487 00:19:41,321 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: navigate that time of your life? Because I look at 488 00:19:43,681 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: you now and where you're at and the incredible role 489 00:19:46,001 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: you're playing and your leadership style is unique and I 490 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:52,321 Speaker 1: think really setting a standard. How did you bounce back 491 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,041 Speaker 1: from such a difficult period? 492 00:19:54,321 --> 00:19:56,041 Speaker 2: You know, I could live with the results, like we 493 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,161 Speaker 2: actually made the finals year one, and no one really 494 00:19:58,201 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: talks about that that we had a really young group. 495 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: I think we gave eleven or twelve De boos. In 496 00:20:01,481 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: my first year there, we made the finals, but we 497 00:20:03,201 --> 00:20:04,681 Speaker 2: got bleed in horrible. I think it was like fifty 498 00:20:04,721 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: eight where it was the worst loss of experience. I 499 00:20:07,721 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: think it was particularly in the finals, you know, like 500 00:20:09,761 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: it should never be lost like that. So then we 501 00:20:12,041 --> 00:20:14,521 Speaker 2: come to low criticism, particular myself at the end of 502 00:20:14,521 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: that first year, and that bled over in my second 503 00:20:16,441 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: year there, which was COVID year, to the the sum 504 00:20:18,321 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: it's uncertain in the world and chaos in the world. 505 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: I reckon that led into our group. You know, I 506 00:20:23,241 --> 00:20:25,561 Speaker 2: think we didn't handle that period at all well because 507 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,681 Speaker 2: we won first two games before COVID, and we come 508 00:20:27,681 --> 00:20:30,481 Speaker 2: back after COVID, and I think I coached another eleven games, 509 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: I mean only one one of those eleven games. So 510 00:20:32,281 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: then the spot I really hit on me, and so 511 00:20:34,961 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: I don't feel as though I had the mental skills 512 00:20:37,321 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: or the tools to cope with that period effectively. I 513 00:20:40,921 --> 00:20:44,321 Speaker 2: think I led a lot of that agitation through the 514 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,281 Speaker 2: criticism in the media, and you know, let that impact 515 00:20:47,321 --> 00:20:49,001 Speaker 2: me a lot. Sort of couldn't get out of my 516 00:20:49,001 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: own head and mean a cretic took over and I 517 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: feel like I've done a lot of work over the 518 00:20:52,921 --> 00:20:56,561 Speaker 2: last couple of years on really understanding how I can 519 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,881 Speaker 2: get rid of that in a critic or that negative 520 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,761 Speaker 2: self talk, How I can reset, how I down ragged 521 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, How I need to 522 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 2: spend a bit more time on myself to start and 523 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,721 Speaker 2: have a better mourning myself, you know, through exercise or 524 00:21:07,921 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: through the use of sauna and cold water and so on. 525 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,281 Speaker 2: So I didn't have the mental skills tools, you know. 526 00:21:12,321 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: I spoke to people with regards working on that side 527 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,041 Speaker 2: of things, and I need a little bit of help 528 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: to try my reset after that, because it's pretty brutal. 529 00:21:20,241 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: The biggest thing that was the social media. There's a 530 00:21:23,201 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: lot of defamation and harassment, which was devastating. Really not 531 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,761 Speaker 2: so much for me, but my family, close friends and 532 00:21:30,801 --> 00:21:32,521 Speaker 2: so on. Just see a lot of that rubbish was 533 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,721 Speaker 2: probably unheard of at that time. I got to say 534 00:21:34,921 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: it was so yeah, out of a negative, horrible horror experience. 535 00:21:39,281 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: I feel like I've gained a lot from it, and 536 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't think i'd be where I am in life 537 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: in my career having perspective of things I didn't go 538 00:21:46,481 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: through that. One of the positives was that Aaron Mullan 539 00:21:48,961 --> 00:21:51,721 Speaker 2: and myself Aaron had been horribly defamed on social media 540 00:21:51,721 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: itself and grab the racial awareness in and around this space, 541 00:21:54,441 --> 00:21:57,121 Speaker 2: and we actually were part of the conversation that led 542 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: to some legislation change and peering at the Senate, myself 543 00:22:00,001 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: and Erin being part of that legislation change was something 544 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: I feel like was a real positive and talking out 545 00:22:04,761 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: around social media bullying and harassment. It's just not on. 546 00:22:08,321 --> 00:22:11,041 Speaker 2: And I don't care whether I'm a head coach or principal, 547 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: or a school teacher or a nine or ten student, 548 00:22:14,201 --> 00:22:18,041 Speaker 2: it's just not on. And we've seen the damaging impact 549 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: on Chalm through the use of the social media bullying. 550 00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,961 Speaker 2: But yeah, as I said, that positive to take away 551 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,561 Speaker 2: was that part of a conversation that brought it to 552 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,121 Speaker 2: the forefront and there was some legislation showing. That's something 553 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:29,721 Speaker 2: I'm proud of. 554 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: No doubt. Obviously you've come right out on the other 555 00:22:31,721 --> 00:22:33,761 Speaker 1: side and you've had this positive impact. But at the time, 556 00:22:34,001 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: and you know, I always think this, and this is 557 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,801 Speaker 1: because it was I interview people in pretty high profile 558 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: roles right to prove that they're just human. It is 559 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,201 Speaker 1: a big part of that, right, So this would have hurt, 560 00:22:42,241 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Like hell, I don't believe anyone wouldn't be affected by 561 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,441 Speaker 1: the words that they read and things that people were saying. 562 00:22:46,481 --> 00:22:48,881 Speaker 1: So I guess this could have gone another way. So 563 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: how did you coaching that period? Was there a time 564 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: where you thought I'm never going to go back to football? 565 00:22:52,721 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Was football like off the table? 566 00:22:54,281 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely was like a lock on itself away 567 00:22:56,681 --> 00:22:58,721 Speaker 2: for the first because I had cameras at some house 568 00:22:58,761 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: for the best part of fourteen days, and when I 569 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: was able to get out of quarantine, you know, I 570 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: had Meeta following a car like literally taking photos of 571 00:23:06,481 --> 00:23:08,761 Speaker 2: me and driving a car, which was I just got wow, 572 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,561 Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy, Like, you know, I'm a footy coach, right, 573 00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:14,241 Speaker 2: so let's have some perspective on things. And I was 574 00:23:14,281 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: pretty down for a period of time there, and someone 575 00:23:17,001 --> 00:23:19,241 Speaker 2: who's very well known, Phiel Girl, and I spoken about 576 00:23:19,241 --> 00:23:21,481 Speaker 2: this previously. He gave me a call and said, stop 577 00:23:21,561 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 2: hiding behind the curtains and get out and about I 578 00:23:23,921 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: suppose I was taxing my identity to that of a 579 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,081 Speaker 2: head coach and it was embarrassing because my ego got 580 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: in the right right because I'd had this wonderful journey 581 00:23:32,801 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: to becoming a head coach at Melbourne Storm and queens 582 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,441 Speaker 2: Ane Stata of origin, assistant coach and assistant coach at 583 00:23:38,481 --> 00:23:40,521 Speaker 2: two clubs here in Sydney, and then head coach. It's 584 00:23:40,521 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: out where you know, we did a great job. I 585 00:23:42,761 --> 00:23:45,921 Speaker 2: was recognized individuals, so I had this really positive ride 586 00:23:45,921 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: and then you know, my ego was hurt and my 587 00:23:48,241 --> 00:23:50,881 Speaker 2: identity being a head coach. Wait, really, you're My identity 588 00:23:50,961 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: is not as a head coach, it's you know, what 589 00:23:52,761 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 2: am I like as a person first and foremost. I 590 00:23:54,681 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: struggled with that really deeply, and I didn't think that 591 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: I would have a coach again. And I did some 592 00:23:58,921 --> 00:24:01,721 Speaker 2: consulting with him Rugby. Externally, I did a little bit 593 00:24:01,721 --> 00:24:04,561 Speaker 2: of consulting from Newcastle Knights and that was not coaching, 594 00:24:04,561 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: that was just more helping mentor their coaches. And I 595 00:24:08,521 --> 00:24:11,041 Speaker 2: was doing some work in the corporate space in leadership 596 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,001 Speaker 2: and doing it in a medium, and I think that 597 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:15,001 Speaker 2: experience I've worked in the other side of the media 598 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,041 Speaker 2: was really really helpful for me. And then Eddie Jones 599 00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:20,241 Speaker 2: probably went my appetite to coach again. He offered me 600 00:24:20,281 --> 00:24:22,281 Speaker 2: a full time role as seeing your assistant coach being 601 00:24:22,321 --> 00:24:25,321 Speaker 2: my Rugby are the biggest rugby union in world rugby, 602 00:24:25,481 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: and so that will probably breathe a bit of life 603 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: in thinking. Okay, well, I haven't lost my love totally 604 00:24:31,001 --> 00:24:33,121 Speaker 2: for coaching, but I didn't think that I'd ever get 605 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: the opportunity to be a head coaching and I got 606 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: to start. I just thought my reputation and my character 607 00:24:37,001 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: was a tax sad munch on social media and in 608 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: the media that well at a club game near me, 609 00:24:40,961 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: because it would just cause heaps of noise. And after 610 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,001 Speaker 2: building a reputation over a twelve thirty and fourteen year period, 611 00:24:48,041 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden it was like in eighteen months 612 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,281 Speaker 2: it was just thankfully my reputation. You know, some good 613 00:24:53,281 --> 00:24:56,281 Speaker 2: people in the background had me opportunities like Eddie Jones 614 00:24:56,321 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: and Live and Rugby, and then obviously the Penn family 615 00:24:58,721 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: here manly I worked here as an assistant so they 616 00:25:01,201 --> 00:25:04,201 Speaker 2: knew me well. They also got a good reference from 617 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: Carl Morrison, am of the Broncos, and so yeah, I've 618 00:25:07,481 --> 00:25:09,881 Speaker 2: got another opportunity and this is year three of being 619 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,121 Speaker 2: a head coach again. Yeah. 620 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,281 Speaker 1: So with all that said, and what you went through 621 00:25:13,521 --> 00:25:14,801 Speaker 1: What did you learn about yourself? 622 00:25:15,001 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 2: First of all, that my identity is not attached to 623 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,761 Speaker 2: being footy coach. You know, a lot of the stuff 624 00:25:18,801 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: that you were tato anertato me was EGO talking, you know, 625 00:25:21,761 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: in the media, like you're going to get criticized if 626 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,721 Speaker 2: you're in a profile position like an NFL coach or 627 00:25:26,721 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: an AFL coach, and you're going to get critique and 628 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 2: it's okay, as. 629 00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:31,321 Speaker 1: Then you should have just let some of the comments go. 630 00:25:31,441 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: And I took a lot of bit personally because I 631 00:25:33,441 --> 00:25:35,761 Speaker 2: thought there was some agendas or there was some personal 632 00:25:35,761 --> 00:25:38,041 Speaker 2: attacks on my character, and that's why I got fired 633 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,441 Speaker 2: up a bit. But ultimately, at the end of the day, 634 00:25:40,561 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't really really matter. I mean, it's not life 635 00:25:43,441 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: and death. So Ego got on the road. The identity 636 00:25:46,201 --> 00:25:49,521 Speaker 2: side of things got on the road. Certainly. Perspective. You know, 637 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,041 Speaker 2: we're not surgeons. You know, we're not saving people's lives. 638 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,921 Speaker 2: We're trying to create an environment where there's a group 639 00:25:54,921 --> 00:26:00,041 Speaker 2: of young men supported by staff who are hardworking and 640 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: going after conocourse. You know, you've got to continue to 641 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,041 Speaker 2: try and strive to help the group about it individually 642 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,321 Speaker 2: or collectively. And yeah, so there's a few things that 643 00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: I learned. It was pretty challenging, but you didn't want 644 00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: to talk about it for a long time. I'm going 645 00:26:11,441 --> 00:26:13,481 Speaker 2: to say, like I was very reluctant to show that 646 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 2: bern and bil Lee or. 647 00:26:14,721 --> 00:26:16,521 Speaker 1: Because I was thinking that I didn't actually prep you 648 00:26:16,561 --> 00:26:17,801 Speaker 1: to say, Hey, is it okay for asking you this? 649 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,361 Speaker 1: Because I know you've talked a bit about it, right, 650 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,001 Speaker 1: but why don't you say I don't want to go there? 651 00:26:22,041 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: And I get that from some people. I don't want 652 00:26:23,521 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: to go there and you don't do that way. 653 00:26:25,321 --> 00:26:28,001 Speaker 2: Is that I've got a lot of messages, and often 654 00:26:28,041 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: the messages mostly positive with regards to look, you know 655 00:26:31,521 --> 00:26:34,561 Speaker 2: I've been through bearing myself or knowing that other people 656 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: have gone through something pretty challenging. All this, you know, 657 00:26:37,521 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: it gives me a little bit of wide at the 658 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 2: end of the tunnel, sat to speak, if I can 659 00:26:40,921 --> 00:26:43,881 Speaker 2: help someone in whatever industry it is. If there's one 660 00:26:43,921 --> 00:26:46,241 Speaker 2: takeaway from this catch up in I feel like that's 661 00:26:46,241 --> 00:26:48,321 Speaker 2: a real positive thing. And I feel like where I 662 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,761 Speaker 2: am in my life now because my identity is not 663 00:26:50,801 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: attached to being a head coach and old cloud, I 664 00:26:53,721 --> 00:26:56,161 Speaker 2: can talk about this. I can talk about my mistakes 665 00:26:56,201 --> 00:26:58,761 Speaker 2: I made at Bridsbane. I also can talk about and 666 00:26:58,801 --> 00:27:01,041 Speaker 2: rejoicing some of the joy I have had as a 667 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,321 Speaker 2: coach over a long period of time. Right, and where 668 00:27:03,321 --> 00:27:05,281 Speaker 2: the results going away this year? And I don't going 669 00:27:05,281 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: to lie this year. Ultimately, I can only control what 670 00:27:08,521 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: I do, and I feel like I won't give the 671 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: best support to this group, for the right resources around 672 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: the group. Then we'll give ourselves a chance to be 673 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: in the conversation that we were last year of playing 674 00:27:18,481 --> 00:27:19,321 Speaker 2: fast for you again. 675 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the smile that's on my face isn't like 676 00:27:21,481 --> 00:27:23,481 Speaker 1: just planted on there. It's just because everything is saying 677 00:27:23,521 --> 00:27:26,601 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what it's about. Vulnerability breeds vulnerability, Right, 678 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: so you say something and share it someone who's lessening's like, 679 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: it's okay for me to feel that way too, And 680 00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:33,801 Speaker 1: it breeds connection. And I think that's what you. Being 681 00:27:33,801 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: so open and honest about your journey ups and the 682 00:27:35,721 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: downs has allowed people to feel safe with you and 683 00:27:38,761 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: comfortable to talk as well. So I love all of it. 684 00:27:40,681 --> 00:27:42,881 Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant. It does makee me a question, though, 685 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: trust being like a critical part of a good team, 686 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: how did those experiences. Trust was very broken for you 687 00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: with some relationships, right people. How does that play out 688 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: for you now, Like is it harder for you to 689 00:27:54,441 --> 00:27:57,281 Speaker 1: trust people? Do you give trust upfront? Where does that sert? 690 00:27:57,721 --> 00:28:00,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one because I feel like in 691 00:28:00,441 --> 00:28:03,161 Speaker 2: some ways shad or form some of the relationships when 692 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,921 Speaker 2: I went back on from Queensland. So I was going 693 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,521 Speaker 2: and I took this big rich deal to go home, 694 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: and ultimately a lot of people didn't want me back 695 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,161 Speaker 2: at the Broncos, you know. So there was a lot 696 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,281 Speaker 2: of relationships that I have not worried about keeping alive. 697 00:28:15,321 --> 00:28:18,041 Speaker 2: And there's plenty of relationships I have invested in from 698 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,241 Speaker 2: that same experience that I've kept alive. And some of 699 00:28:20,321 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: that was down to some of the trust and so on. 700 00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: I think it's important that one bad experience doesn't ruin 701 00:28:25,441 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: it for the next experience. So I give trust to 702 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,761 Speaker 2: the playing group when I came here and the staff 703 00:28:29,921 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: some of this storytelling. I've done this over the last 704 00:28:32,441 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: two and a big years with the players, Like the 705 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,961 Speaker 2: players know that I didn't handle that experience the Bronco 706 00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:39,481 Speaker 2: as well. The players know that I went there rather 707 00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:42,561 Speaker 2: than the decision made of my heart, my head around money, 708 00:28:42,601 --> 00:28:46,321 Speaker 2: you know, and what six year deal significant financial deal 709 00:28:46,361 --> 00:28:48,521 Speaker 2: it was. I've spoken about this because I learned a 710 00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: lot and they might be a lesson in it for 711 00:28:50,321 --> 00:28:52,801 Speaker 2: some of the players, right, But I've spoken about this 712 00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:56,081 Speaker 2: in my owner circle, with best friends, with the family. 713 00:28:56,281 --> 00:28:58,161 Speaker 2: It's something that I've shared and as I said, if 714 00:28:58,161 --> 00:29:00,081 Speaker 2: someone can take one thing away from it, then that's 715 00:29:00,081 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: probably a positive. I'd suggess. 716 00:29:02,281 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, if you're authentic with people and they know you 717 00:29:04,521 --> 00:29:07,441 Speaker 1: and where there's with you, then it's a great baseline 718 00:29:07,441 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: for a good relationship and things to flourish. You just 719 00:29:09,521 --> 00:29:11,881 Speaker 1: see something there though, that really sprung. You said that 720 00:29:11,921 --> 00:29:14,001 Speaker 1: you didn't make a decision when you went to the 721 00:29:14,041 --> 00:29:15,841 Speaker 1: broncos you might have used your brain around the money 722 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,121 Speaker 1: versus your heart, right, And so I find this interesting. 723 00:29:18,201 --> 00:29:20,361 Speaker 1: So I just listened to garble Marte's event. You talked 724 00:29:20,361 --> 00:29:22,921 Speaker 1: about the three knowledge areas being the brain, the heart, 725 00:29:22,921 --> 00:29:25,481 Speaker 1: and the gut, and people often just use the brain 726 00:29:25,601 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: right as the logical thinking in footy as a coach, 727 00:29:29,161 --> 00:29:32,321 Speaker 1: how much does your gut, instinct and your heart come 728 00:29:32,361 --> 00:29:34,201 Speaker 1: into any decision making if at all? 729 00:29:34,441 --> 00:29:37,441 Speaker 2: No, it does. I feel like when I've made good decisions. 730 00:29:37,441 --> 00:29:39,441 Speaker 2: That's band and gut feel or something that I've done 731 00:29:39,441 --> 00:29:41,801 Speaker 2: with my heart. I made a business decision, I suppose 732 00:29:41,841 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: the best way to call it, Bronco's for me a 733 00:29:43,761 --> 00:29:45,601 Speaker 2: five year deal with a six year in my favor 734 00:29:45,641 --> 00:29:47,921 Speaker 2: and double the money essentially that I was on it 735 00:29:48,081 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: else and double the length and contract. And so I 736 00:29:50,521 --> 00:29:52,641 Speaker 2: was loving South. We made the brilliant final. We were 737 00:29:52,641 --> 00:29:54,801 Speaker 2: a half a game of footy away from making the 738 00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:57,561 Speaker 2: Grand Final. First year've had coach, the players, they are 739 00:29:57,601 --> 00:30:00,321 Speaker 2: excellent to work with, such good guys. The support of 740 00:30:00,321 --> 00:30:03,001 Speaker 2: aids were excellent. But I made that decision. But ultimately 741 00:30:03,161 --> 00:30:05,121 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be in this situation for me now, and 742 00:30:05,161 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: I feel like this is the right situation for me 743 00:30:07,481 --> 00:30:09,921 Speaker 2: to be. And I've lived in this area since October 744 00:30:09,961 --> 00:30:12,681 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, even when I've worked over seas or worked 745 00:30:12,721 --> 00:30:15,481 Speaker 2: in coins, and I've had a presence in this area 746 00:30:15,561 --> 00:30:18,241 Speaker 2: for almost a decade now. I had an experience here 747 00:30:18,241 --> 00:30:20,681 Speaker 2: for one year as an assistant coach, and so all 748 00:30:20,681 --> 00:30:24,081 Speaker 2: those learnings, I'll feel like, if this is my last 749 00:30:24,201 --> 00:30:26,561 Speaker 2: opportunity or last crack as our head coach, what a 750 00:30:26,601 --> 00:30:27,681 Speaker 2: place to the Yeah. 751 00:30:27,521 --> 00:30:30,081 Speaker 1: Agreat and so Obviously you made the semi finals in 752 00:30:30,081 --> 00:30:32,761 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four and so I'm sure your ambitions are 753 00:30:32,801 --> 00:30:34,721 Speaker 1: set potentially a bit higher for that for this year 754 00:30:34,761 --> 00:30:37,721 Speaker 1: for the Seagulls. How does Anthony level up this year? 755 00:30:37,801 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: You talk about your team, what they do, but what 756 00:30:39,521 --> 00:30:41,401 Speaker 1: are you personally going to do to level up to 757 00:30:41,441 --> 00:30:42,521 Speaker 1: get to your goals this year? 758 00:30:42,601 --> 00:30:44,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it's been a bit of a thing for 759 00:30:44,241 --> 00:30:46,801 Speaker 2: us over the pre season. The next level it fills out. 760 00:30:46,801 --> 00:30:48,081 Speaker 2: We've got a bit more in its you know, how 761 00:30:48,121 --> 00:30:52,561 Speaker 2: we prepare physically, how we mentally tactically technically, there's areas 762 00:30:52,561 --> 00:30:54,361 Speaker 2: that we can really go after and really narrow our 763 00:30:54,361 --> 00:30:56,161 Speaker 2: focus to take us to that next level. And I 764 00:30:56,201 --> 00:30:57,681 Speaker 2: think it's the same for me as our head coach, 765 00:30:57,761 --> 00:30:59,961 Speaker 2: Like what did I learn last year and watched our 766 00:30:59,961 --> 00:31:02,921 Speaker 2: staff learned last year and around our preparation and how 767 00:31:03,041 --> 00:31:05,641 Speaker 2: we handle different parts of the seat, and I think 768 00:31:05,761 --> 00:31:08,001 Speaker 2: there's some really good learning for us there. So the 769 00:31:08,041 --> 00:31:10,041 Speaker 2: opportunity we've got it rather than challenges to go to 770 00:31:10,121 --> 00:31:11,961 Speaker 2: the next level. And I feel like, you know, we've 771 00:31:11,961 --> 00:31:14,721 Speaker 2: had a good preparation and we've got a really tough 772 00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:17,521 Speaker 2: start to the competition, but it's a great competition to 773 00:31:17,521 --> 00:31:19,201 Speaker 2: be part of it. We feel like we can make 774 00:31:19,241 --> 00:31:20,841 Speaker 2: some gains again this year. 775 00:31:21,041 --> 00:31:23,921 Speaker 1: Amazing Well, Anthony, it has been an absolute pleasure. I 776 00:31:23,961 --> 00:31:27,481 Speaker 1: genuinely mean this. I love things that you've said today, 777 00:31:27,521 --> 00:31:29,721 Speaker 1: the way you're approaching leadership. I love that you're doing 778 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,361 Speaker 1: that in sport, in a male dominated sport. I love 779 00:31:32,401 --> 00:31:35,321 Speaker 1: that you're leaning into your vulnerability. I think there's so 780 00:31:35,481 --> 00:31:38,241 Speaker 1: many takeaways for people. And look, I know my friend 781 00:31:38,321 --> 00:31:40,001 Speaker 1: Sammy Thyda will kill me, but you know, I might 782 00:31:40,081 --> 00:31:41,881 Speaker 1: just have to switch teams because I'm rooting for you 783 00:31:41,921 --> 00:31:43,041 Speaker 1: this year to get to the top. 784 00:31:43,161 --> 00:31:45,481 Speaker 2: So yeah, Sam might be happy that he's a good man. 785 00:31:45,641 --> 00:31:47,601 Speaker 1: We won't be happy, but he'll understand this is great. 786 00:31:47,601 --> 00:31:49,361 Speaker 1: I'm really happy for you and great to see you 787 00:31:49,401 --> 00:31:50,841 Speaker 1: back in coaching role and I can't wait to see 788 00:31:50,841 --> 00:31:51,721 Speaker 1: this year roll out for you. 789 00:31:51,801 --> 00:31:53,321 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Thank Anthony. 790 00:31:53,441 --> 00:31:53,721 Speaker 1: Cheers